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Title: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on November 28, 2020, 10:58:46 PM
I had rotator cuff/bicep tendon surgery 4 weeks ago. I've really struggled with sleep every since the surgery. I can fall right to sleep, but wake up in a couple of hours very uncomfortable. At this point I have to get out of bed stretch and move around, this cycle continues through the night. Anyone that has been through this, how long does it take to get back to a normal sleep schedule? I feel like lack of good sleep is hurting my recovery.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: pkaz on November 28, 2020, 11:05:03 PM
I have 4 shoulder surgeries. Are you taking advill? If not try 400 mgs every 4 hours for a few days... right before bed...
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on November 28, 2020, 11:19:52 PM
I was instructed not to take ibuprofen for 6 weeks, have tried Tylenol with little success.

Four shoulder surgeries!!! I can't imagine having another one.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: pamith on November 28, 2020, 11:39:27 PM
This why you don't do heavy behind the neck presses
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: French on November 29, 2020, 04:39:59 AM
and pull-up etc..
you need to adapt your training to your morphology and avoid stretching the muscles too much
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: LurkerNoMore on November 29, 2020, 07:59:37 AM
Did they give you any pain meds?  If not, perhaps you can ask for Ambien to help with sleep.

I am surprised you are sleeping in a bed.  Most of the people I know that had it done was instructed to sleep in a recliner.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Grape Ape on November 29, 2020, 08:16:53 AM
Fuck the meds.

Try a legitimate CBD oil, and take a combo of zinc/magnesium/melatonin at night.

Or, spend the $ for this:

https://soflete.com/products/teddy-bear-night-night
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: chaos on November 29, 2020, 08:23:13 AM
Fuck the meds.

Try a legitimate CBD oil, and take a combo of zinc/magnesium/melatonin at night.

Or, spend the $ for this:

https://soflete.com/products/teddy-bear-night-night
That's some weird teddy bear stuff there.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Mr Anabolic on November 29, 2020, 08:29:15 AM
Was your need for surgery caused by a sudden injury, or something that manifested over years?

What exactly did they do?
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 29, 2020, 09:17:02 AM
This is why you don't lift heavy weights into old age.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on November 29, 2020, 04:27:54 PM
Shoulder/bicep tendon had been irritated for about 1.5 years. Was at work removing an inner door panel and felt a pop from head to toe. The biceps upper heads tendon completely detatched. When an MRI was done also showed a medium tear of the rotator cuff.

Procedures
Left shoulder arthroscopy
Subacromial decompression/bursectomy (SAD)
Rotator cuff tendon repair
Subpectoral biceps tendonesis

Haven't done press behind the neck or pull ups in years. Don't lift heavy.

Was given hydrocodone, didn't help much with pain and made me feel nauseous.
Zinc/ magnesium helps to fall asleep. Just wake up a couple hours later very uncomfortable. I'll have to look into CBC oil.

Slept in a recliner the first week, was just as uncomfortable as being in bed. In bed I have a pillow under each arm an two pillows at my head. Also have to wear a padded sling even to bed which is also uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 29, 2020, 05:58:44 PM
I had a complete rupture of the bicep tendon.  It was a long road back. Six weeks before I could lift and it was those little pink dumbbells that weighed 2.5 pounds. Took around six months before I was lifting heavy. Ripping the bicep completely off effected the entire arm from shoulder down. First time I tried a single pull up was terror filled. Thought I would rip out the surgeon's work.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 29, 2020, 06:04:43 PM
I was instructed not to take ibuprofen for 6 weeks, have tried Tylenol with little success.

Four shoulder surgeries!!! I can't imagine having another one.

Whatever you do to manage the pain stay away from the narcotics.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: IroNat on November 30, 2020, 04:50:39 AM
Best wishes for recovery.

Time heals.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 30, 2020, 04:59:13 AM
I had a complete rupture of the bicep tendon.  It was a long road back. Six weeks before I could lift and it was those little pink dumbbells that weighed 2.5 pounds. Took around six months before I was lifting heavy. Ripping the bicep completely off effected the entire arm from shoulder down. First time I tried a single pull up was terror filled. Thought I would rip out the surgeon's work.
Why go back to lifting heavy at all?
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Marty Champions on November 30, 2020, 05:07:51 AM
Manganese is good for ligaments its in oats. Do uou eat oatmeal?

My gues is you were overly acidic at the time of the tear
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 30, 2020, 05:09:44 AM
Manganese is good for ligaments its in oats. Do uou eat oatmeal?

My gues is you were overly acidic at the time of the tear
You won't build muscle at all if you are over alkaline.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Marty Champions on November 30, 2020, 05:21:16 AM
You won't build muscle at all if you are over alkaline.
ive trained with beer and or weed, ... Ive noticed when taking either one that doing pullups it feels more acidic and burning in the muscles as if i was close to tearing the muscle
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Grape Ape on November 30, 2020, 05:51:17 AM
This is why you don't lift heavy weights into old age.

Strongly disagree.

You just have to be smarter, get more recovery time, and work on mobility.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on November 30, 2020, 06:05:57 AM
Manganese is good for ligaments its in oats. Do uou eat oatmeal?

Yes, oatmeal is a staple of my breakfast.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: POB on November 30, 2020, 06:22:24 AM
I had rotator cuff/bicep tendon surgery 4 weeks ago. I've really struggled with sleep every since the surgery. I can fall right to sleep, but wake up in a couple of hours very uncomfortable. At this point I have to get out of bed stretch and move around, this cycle continues through the night. Anyone that has been through this, how long does it take to get back to a normal sleep schedule? I feel like lack of good sleep is hurting my recovery.

6 months and you prob won’t be comfortable sleeping on it for a year. Stay away from ibuprofen it delays the healing same with any kind of smoking including weed
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on November 30, 2020, 07:10:02 AM
Thanks POB. Not really what I wanted to hear about the sleep. But, I can see it taking that long. It is a slow grind. Will stay off ibuprofen, and I don't smoke.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: IroNat on November 30, 2020, 09:16:05 AM
What kind of rehab you doing?
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 30, 2020, 09:37:53 AM
Strongly disagree.

You just have to be smarter, get more recovery time, and work on mobility.
Smarter by not doing it, more recovery by having a lifetime between heavy workouts.  You won't be mobile if injured.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: pamith on November 30, 2020, 10:01:07 AM
and pull-up etc..
you need to adapt your training to your morphology and avoid stretching the muscles too much
Pull ups is ok, I give it the ok, just keep the tension in the muscle, also only do body weight pull ups
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: joswift on November 30, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
try some wide grip weighted dips... :P
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Grape Ape on November 30, 2020, 11:01:25 AM
Smarter by not doing it, more recovery by having a lifetime between heavy workouts.  You won't be mobile if injured.

You won't be injured if mobile and train correctly.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 30, 2020, 11:22:18 AM
You won't be injured if mobile and train correctly.
This is a thread about a guy who just had shoulder surgery from lifting heavy.  Are you saying everyone lifting heavy that gets hurt simply because they aren't training correctly?  Heavy lifting creates injuries.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: oldtimer1 on November 30, 2020, 11:24:46 AM
Why go back to lifting heavy at all?


Stop posting. You’re making too much sense.  I remember testing the arm with a 405 deadlift after about six months.  I went for my six month check up and the doctor was shaking his head hearing this.  He said I was going to ruin his repair. 
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 30, 2020, 11:27:57 AM

Stop posting. You’re making too much sense.  I remember testing the arm with a 405 deadlift after about six months.  I went for my six month check up and the doctor was shaking his head hearing this.  He said I was going to ruin his repair.
I stopped deadlifting heavy after 35 and stopped lifting heavy period after 40.  It is tough for the ego but the body thanks you for it.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: pamith on November 30, 2020, 12:04:22 PM
You can go ''heavy'' if you are natty, but if you are enhanced you shouldn't go lower than 10 reps, ever
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Grape Ape on November 30, 2020, 12:37:34 PM
This is a thread about a guy who just had shoulder surgery from lifting heavy.  Are you saying everyone lifting heavy that gets hurt simply because they aren't training correctly?  Heavy lifting creates injuries.

I did not take your here post to be within the context of the OP and his injury, moreso a general, all encompassing statement.

This is why you don't lift heavy weights into old age.

I didn't say everyone who gets hurt gets hurt because of improper training.  Obviously injuries can happen, and the heavier you go, the likelihood increases.

However, it's also greatly reduced if you follow proper protocols, technique, and keep your body flexible.  I'd say the benefits outweigh the risks.  Some people want to continue to perform at high levels the older they get, and they can if they are smart about it.

Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on November 30, 2020, 04:30:35 PM
What kind of rehab you doing?

Two days a week at physical therapy.

At home I do two hours a day in the Continuous Passive Motion (CPM) chair, and 1/2 hour stretching.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on November 30, 2020, 04:32:13 PM
This is a thread about a guy who just had shoulder surgery from lifting heavy.  Are you saying everyone lifting heavy that gets hurt simply because they aren't training correctly?  Heavy lifting creates injuries.

I haven't lifted heavy in years.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: IroNat on November 30, 2020, 05:02:24 PM
Two days a week at physical therapy.

At home I do two hours a day in the Continuous Passive Motion (CPM) chair, and 1/2 hour stretching.

The physical therapy and/or stretching may be the cause of your discomfort.

Seriously, the therapists can mess you up with all that crap.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 01, 2020, 03:35:31 AM
I haven't lifted heavy in years.
How did you get hurt?
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on December 01, 2020, 07:26:32 AM
How did you get hurt?

See reply #10
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 01, 2020, 10:05:36 AM
See reply #10
Don't work at all. ;D
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on December 01, 2020, 05:08:19 PM
Don't work at all. ;D

I agree! Crazy thing is I had to return to work a week after surgery.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 02, 2020, 04:49:47 AM
I agree! Crazy thing is I had to return to work a week after surgery.
Damn!
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 02, 2020, 05:51:15 AM
Work hard at physical therapy. There are a percentage of people that claim unsuccessful operations but in truth didn't work to regain function. When I was in rehab the physical therapists after the first session said I can tell you will recover quick because I was willing to put in the work. She said many come here expecting we will do the exercises for them.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: US MUSL on December 02, 2020, 07:47:39 AM
Work hard at physical therapy.

Yes, I'm 100% committed.
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: Hypertrophy on December 02, 2020, 07:48:41 AM
Work hard at physical therapy. There are a percentage of people that claim unsuccessful operations but in truth didn't work to regain function. When I was in rehab the physical therapists after the first session said I can tell you will recover quick because I was willing to put in the work. She said many come here expecting we will do the exercises for them.

True. Muscles and ligaments  that remain inactive will actually start binding to each other and prevent functionality. The frozen shoulder syndrome is a great example:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15359-frozen-shoulder
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: POB on December 03, 2020, 05:54:57 AM
Pull ups is ok, I give it the ok, just keep the tension in the muscle, also only do body weight pull ups

On of the best things for shoulders is just hanging like your gonna do a pull up but don’t just hang there as long as you can this is in terms of rehab not bodybuilding
Title: Re: Shoulder Surgery
Post by: POB on December 03, 2020, 05:57:34 AM
6 months and you prob won’t be comfortable sleeping on it for a year. Stay away from ibuprofen it delays the healing same with any kind of smoking including weed

Sure and after 12 weeks if u still can’t live your arm over head start using a broom handle to help do sets of 20 x3 to the side and front every day till u don’t need the broom handle