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He says if ur doing sprints trying to shred the body will burn food instead of fat because the body wants to perserve its bodyfat if it feels under attack from running too hard or too over trained.
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I used to do tons of sprints , i think they are great exercise but i find after a while the body wont release any fat with such intensity
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O’Hearn is unironically the most consistent, strongest bodybuilder out there today. Although he is lying through his teeth calling himself natty he looks great.
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He knows his stuff because he is natty like me, just crazy genetics and hard work
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O’Hearn it thru the grapevine
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O’Hearn it thru the grapevine
Bro...
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He says if ur doing sprints trying to shred the body will burn food instead of fat because the body wants to perserve its bodyfat if it feels under attack from running too hard or too over trained.
I would have worded it differently but in essence he’s right. Steady state burns way more fat
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First of all.....why gain so much fat in the first place??
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frog tech wont burn all my fat off?
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He says if ur doing sprints trying to shred the body will burn food instead of fat because the body wants to perserve its bodyfat if it feels under attack from running too hard or too over trained.
Fuck off, gimmick.
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my take:
if you are a true bodybuilder steady state cardio is ideal for maintaining muscle and burning cals with limited injuries (treadmill or stair mill)
if you are john doe, its not enough calories burned and they will benefit from spin class, boot camp classes for more cals burned/getting the heart rate up and john doe isnt buring off all his precious muscle either
if you are going to ideal fat loss.... I am now a believer in fasted cardio for max fat loss
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I think if you're a bodybuilder then cardio is just a supplement to your weights. Walking fast is probably the best thing for cardio. It doesn't exhaust you for lifting and it burns fat. Doing hard cardio like intervals will leave you exhausted for your weight workouts. There is only so much energy available if you're lifting weight four to six times a week.
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I used to do tons of sprints , i think they are great exercise but i find after a while the body wont release any fat with such intensity
A sad story from 2007.
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I would have worded it differently but in essence he’s right. Steady state burns way more fat
What factual data are you basing this assertion on? Anecdotal does not count neither does your opinion.
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How steady and in what state?
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The harder the cardio the more fat is burned per unit of time. What changes is the ratio of fat to carbs burned. Low intensity cardio burn more fat measured as pecentage.
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The harder the cardio the more fat is burned per unit of time. What changes is the ratio of fat to carbs burned. Low intensity cardio burn more fat measured as pecentage.
You are leaving out factual data proving HIIT burns far more fat on the days post session. Only high intensity cardio does this, steady state just burns so many cals per session performed. I thought you knew this stuff its old now. My boy fukkenshredded pioneered HIIT for the fitness community 20 years ago.
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smh. Please please please STOP calling cardio "fat burning". Cardio is simply heart health exercises to strengthen the heart and cardio system. Roughly 20 minutes at somewhere around 80 percent of max heart rate 3 times a week is all thats needed for CARDIO. ( heart health) Any more does NOT improve heart but it does burn muscle. Now for fat loss its long duration at a slower heart rate. The body wont burn muscle at 60 percent of heart rate max or a little lower. You can do it everyday all day if you want. Boring but it does burn just FAT CALORIES. CARDIO burns muscle after about 20 minutes and you burn stored glycegen during the first 20 minutes. with very little fat burned. Ohearn is right. Its just common sense to understand the difference between fat burning and cardio. 2 totally different things
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O’Hearn is unironically the most consistent, strongest bodybuilder out there today. Although he is lying through his teeth calling himself natty he looks great.
Remove the roids, GH and his toupe and let's see how he looks.
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smh. Please please please STOP calling cardio "fat burning". Cardio is simply heart health exercises to strengthen the heart and cardio system. Roughly 20 minutes at somewhere around 80 percent of max heart rate 3 times a week is all thats needed for CARDIO. ( heart health) Any more does NOT improve heart but it does burn muscle. Now for fat loss its long duration at a slower heart rate. The body wont burn muscle at 60 percent of heart rate max or a little lower. You can do it everyday all day if you want. Boring but it does burn just FAT CALORIES. CARDIO burns muscle after about 20 minutes and you burn stored glycegen during the first 20 minutes. with very little fat burned. Ohearn is right. Its just common sense to understand the difference between fat burning and cardio. 2 totally different things
Great post...
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Is Mike O'Tren stronger than Morgan Aste?
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The harder the cardio the more fat is burned per unit of time. What changes is the ratio of fat to carbs burned. Low intensity cardio burn more fat measured as pecentage.
The irony is, why get so fat? Why pig out? Where is the self respect and self discipline?
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The irony is, why get so fat? Why pig out? Where is the self respect and self discipline?
From what i've seen, very few people have the discipline to stay lean year round.
Our culture has gotten lazy and eats too much garbage.
O'hearn is a liar about using gear, but he's not exactly wrong here. He knows what he's doing.
Just wish he would be honest and also let us know how much GH/T3 he's using to get lean. ;)
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I think if you're a bodybuilder then cardio is just a supplement to your weights. Walking fast is probably the best thing for cardio. It doesn't exhaust you for lifting and it burns fat. Doing hard cardio like intervals will leave you exhausted for your weight workouts. There is only so much energy available if you're lifting weight four to six times a week.
I agree.
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From what i've seen, very few people have the discipline to stay lean year round.
Our culture has gotten lazy and eats too much garbage.
O'hearn is a liar about using gear, but he's not exactly wrong here. He knows what he's doing.
Just wish he would be honest and also let us know how much GH/T3 he's using to get lean. ;)
It is impossible for a natural to be lean while carrying a lot of muscle.
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It is impossible for a natural to be lean while carrying a lot of muscle.
I guess it depends on what is considered lean. To me, being 10-12% BF is pretty lean and IMO obtainable year round. It's the sub-10% that takes effort and if you're natural it's challenging. I do believe that it's hard to gain muscle as a natural if you aren't eating enough, so it's a fair statement.
Even on a decent amount of gear, it's hard for me to maintain 7-8% for more than a few months.
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I guess it depends on what is considered lean. To me, being 10-12% BF is pretty lean and IMO obtainable year round. It's the sub-10% that takes effort and if you're natural it's challenging. I do believe that it's hard to gain muscle as a natural if you aren't eating enough, so it's a fair statement.
Even on a decent amount of gear, it's hard for me to maintain 7-8% for more than a few months.
10-12% is ideal.
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I guess it depends on what is considered lean. To me, being 10-12% BF is pretty lean and IMO obtainable year round. It's the sub-10% that takes effort and if you're natural it's challenging. I do believe that it's hard to gain muscle as a natural if you aren't eating enough, so it's a fair statement.
Even on a decent amount of gear, it's hard for me to maintain 7-8% for more than a few months.
So calories in vs calories out or Macros?
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You are leaving out factual data proving HIIT burns far more fat on the days post session. Only high intensity cardio does this, steady state just burns so many cals per session performed. I thought you knew this stuff its old now. My boy fukkenshredded pioneered HIIT for the fitness community 20 years ago.
Sure I know about it, EPOC and all that. There's also the argument that EPOC is fairly minor in fact and not worth calculating, but I don't remember the specifics so could be wrong.
I'm only saying that the idea that to burn fat you need to do low intensity cardio, otherwise it pretty much JUST burns carbs is incorrect. For example the faster you walk on the treadmill the more fat you burn, it's only the ratio of fat to carbs burned that changes. I remember Bob Chicherillo saying anything more than 3.5mph for 45 minutes just catabolizes muscle... ridiculous. :D
Cardio is good for body composition but if you know how many calories you burn it's a lot of work for fairly small effects. Easier to cut down on food intake. Not to mention cardio will increase appetite so if you don't track strictly you will probably not lose much fat/weight.
This guy told me he did up to 9 hours of cardio/walking for his first show here lol. And Bob Chick says you burn muscle after 45 minutes. Not saying 9 hours is smart but this fella never got into this kind of condition since, doing the usual hour a day or whatever.
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O'Hearn can get extremely ripped while still being pretty strong, and he is natty
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It really makes no sense to over consume calories for muscle gain only to need large amounts of cardio to burn the extra calories off. Just eat less food.
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It really makes no sense to over consume calories for muscle gain only to need large amounts of cardio to burn the extra calories off. Just eat less food.
I remember Sevs last outing, trying to eat 5000 cals whilst doing 3 hours of cardio
Fucks sake just eat 3000 cals and watch a couple of movies..FFS
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O'Hearn is completely right (Gasp!)
I track my calorie burn and power output while cycling using a powermeter. On sprint days I'll do 6 sprints of 10-20 seconds long with about 3 min rest between- just riding easy. The calorie burn is on the order of 250 kcal- which is nothing. On my endurance rides of a few hours (about 60-70% of max pulse), my calorie burn approaches 1200+. So do the math.
The post exercise calorie burn, btw, is negligible on my sprint days. After an hour or less I feel it turn off (using a pulse oximeter, I see my resting pulse go back to the 50's and my SPO2 drop to resting levels).
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I remember Sevs last outing, trying to eat 5000 cals whilst doing 3 hours of cardio
Fucks sake just eat 3000 cals and watch a couple of movies..FFS
:D I have asked him on facebook to come back here. We need his wisdom.
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So calories in vs calories out or Macros?
For me personally, i just track approximate calories and avoid eating too many carbs. When i want to lose fat i'll drop calories to ~2000 per day and slowly remove some carbs until i get where i want to be, sometimes i go below 1500 cals per day and maybe 100g of carbs. But i typically don't eat many carbs anyway. I've been doing this for over 20 years, so i have a feel for what works for me. Also depends on if i'm taking T3, you can get away with a lot on 100mcg per day. ;)
For a natural or someone new to the game, i would recommend tracking macros just so you understand what exactly you're eating. A lot of people are surprised how many carbs they eat each day once they track it. You don't need a ton of carbs.
Thankfully i don't have a sweet tooth, in fact i like salty foods more than sweet. So avoiding carbs is pretty easy.
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I remember Sevs last outing, trying to eat 5000 cals whilst doing 3 hours of cardio
Fucks sake just eat 3000 cals and watch a couple of movies..FFS
The leanest i've ever been i did zero cardio. Just intermittent fasting down to 1500 calories a day and a little GH/T3.
People make this more difficult than it needs to be.
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The leanest i've ever been i did zero cardio. Just intermittent fasting down to 1500 calories a day and a little GH/T3.
People make this more difficult than it needs to be.
Easiest way to diet for me was earlier this year, I went carnivore only eating meat, dairy and eggs.
Got in shape without even trying, added carbs about three months ago so I could hopefully add some size, just ended up fat and shitty looking.
back carnivore as of this week.
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Easiest way to diet for me was earlier this year, I went carnivore only eating meat, dairy and eggs.
Got in shape without even trying, added carbs about three months ago so I could hopefully add some size, just ended up fat and shitty looking.
back carnivore as of this week.
What type and how many carbs were you eating? Maybe you added too many carbs. You were probably very sensitive since you've been doing no carb for so long. Lots of sub-Q water too.
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Just add more volume to your weight training, take less time between sets. This is how they did it in the 70s.
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Remove the roids, GH and his toupe and let's see how he looks.
You forgot the botox.
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Is Mike O'Tren stronger than Morgan Aste?
He's definitley better looking. No homo.
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Just add more volume to your weight training, take less time between sets. This is how they did it in the 70s.
They ate very low carb too.
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This O’hearn you speak of, is that the retard that fell off the stage?
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This O’hearn you speak of, is that the retard that fell off the stage?
The same.
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Easiest way to diet for me was earlier this year, I went carnivore only eating meat, dairy and eggs.
Got in shape without even trying, added carbs about three months ago so I could hopefully add some size, just ended up fat and shitty looking.
back carnivore as of this week.
I might have to try that. I heard Joe Rogan did something similar.
I have a lot of deer meat in the freezer. Eggs are no problem, i can eat them anytime.
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Actually we as humans were designed to eat fats and proteins. With very little carbs. We do not need them in any capacity. Thats why the fda has not issued a percentage or amount ( everything else they do vitamins minerals fats etc but not carbs) .We ( many years ago) walked everywhere worked hard etc. We would only eat fruits or whatever if we had nothing else to eat (walking long didtances etc) we were not designed to live on fruits and vegs and SUGARS. We killed an animal we ate the fat and protein. There is a reason they go together. every notice carbs do not come naturally with fats or proteins( there is some in dairy but not enough to overtake the good)? Dont beleive the experts and the stupid food pyrimade ( that was actually designed to help a congressmans friend sell more grains look it up) So yes just meat eggs and some dairy if you want. give it a try the first few days are usually hard on people but once you get thru it its a cake walk. lol
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What type and how many carbs were you eating? Maybe you added too many carbs. You were probably very sensitive since you've been doing no carb for so long. Lots of sub-Q water too.
Just added too many carbs, was previously on around 80-100gms from yoghurt and dairy
its way too easy to overeat on carbs, I tend not to count anything because I cant be arsed.
Carnivore is easy because you dont need to, just eat when you are hungry and eat until you are full
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Is Mike O'Tren stronger than Morgan Aste?
Impressive scalp striations. Obviously obtained via slow, steady, targeted cardio through endless neck extensions and bridges.
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The leanest i've ever been i did zero cardio. Just intermittent fasting down to 1500 calories a day and a little GH/T3.
People make this more difficult than it needs to be.
You don't find at 1500 calories or less your metabolism slows and thus fat loss?
Everyone I've seen prep keeps lowering calories to the point their bodies go into starvation mode and halt fat loss completely
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Impressive scalp striations. Obviously obtained via slow, steady, targeted cardio through endless neck extensions and bridges.
depth on the leg press at 17 mins
Fucks sake
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Actually we as humans were designed to eat fats and proteins. With very little carbs. We do not need them in any capacity. Thats why the fda has not issued a percentage or amount ( everything else they do vitamins minerals fats etc but not carbs) .We ( many years ago) walked everywhere worked hard etc. We would only eat fruits or whatever if we had nothing else to eat (walking long didtances etc) we were not designed to live on fruits and vegs and SUGARS. We killed an animal we ate the fat and protein. There is a reason they go together. every notice carbs do not come naturally with fats or proteins( there is some in dairy but not enough to overtake the good)? Dont beleive the experts and the stupid food pyrimade ( that was actually designed to help a congressmans friend sell more grains look it up) So yes just meat eggs and some dairy if you want. give it a try the first few days are usually hard on people but once you get thru it its a cake walk. lol
Everyone who followed the FDA's food pyramid is either fat or dead.
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Everyone who followed the FDA's food pyramid is either fat or dead.
Agreed but I just cannot develop a taste for non-dairy protein or fats without carbs.
Keto deflates me, makes me weaker and seems I know the most people who get their leanest on carb cycling
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Agreed but I just cannot develop a taste for non-dairy protein or fats without carbs.
Keto deflates me, makes me weaker and seems I know the most people who get their leanest on carb cycling
Just cut the carbs, don't eliminate them. Or you can just cut calories and eat what you want.
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You don't find at 1500 calories or less your metabolism slows and thus fat loss?
Everyone I've seen prep keeps lowering calories to the point their bodies go into starvation mode and halt fat loss completely
This is somewhat of a myth. Too long to go into here but there's plenty of research.
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Actually we as humans were designed to eat fats and proteins. With very little carbs. We do not need them in any capacity. Thats why the fda has not issued a percentage or amount ( everything else they do vitamins minerals fats etc but not carbs) .We ( many years ago) walked everywhere worked hard etc. We would only eat fruits or whatever if we had nothing else to eat (walking long didtances etc) we were not designed to live on fruits and vegs and SUGARS. We killed an animal we ate the fat and protein. There is a reason they go together. every notice carbs do not come naturally with fats or proteins( there is some in dairy but not enough to overtake the good)? Dont beleive the experts and the stupid food pyrimade ( that was actually designed to help a congressmans friend sell more grains look it up) So yes just meat eggs and some dairy if you want. give it a try the first few days are usually hard on people but once you get thru it its a cake walk. lol
agreed, first couple of weeks had the shits...
Everyone telling me I needed fibre in my diet, nope, certainly not.
I do it also to help me stop the oxalates that cause my kidney stones, high protein acidity can be regulated by adding a teaspoon of potassium citrate added to two litres of water and drunk throughout the day.
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agreed, first couple of weeks had the shits...
Everyone telling me I needed fibre in my diet, nope, certainly not.
I do it also to help me stop the oxalates that cause my kidney stones, high protein acidity can be regulated by adding a teaspoon of potassium citrate added to two litres of water and drunk throughout the day.
So what's a typical day of eating look like for you now?
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Mike O'hearn comes across as a bit narcissistic and psychopathic at times, but he knows his stuff, he's 51 and still in great shape, legit 21'' arms and very strong and lean and he is natty
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You don't find at 1500 calories or less your metabolism slows and thus fat loss?
Everyone I've seen prep keeps lowering calories to the point their bodies go into starvation mode and halt fat loss completely
No i haven't to be honest. But keep in mind i also typically run a moderate dose of Test when i'm dieting. I used to use T3 but i haven't touched it in 4 years.
I've never hit a "wall" when dieting before, i seem to respond really well to low calories, as long as it doesn't make me feel lethargic. Once i get down to 1500 or less calories, i can feel a little lazy sometimes, but the fat is still coming off.
Also, i'm not naturally a fat person, no body in my family is heavy. The fat i gain is typically due to me intentionally eating a surplus of calories in order to gain muscle. I've never been over a 32-33" waist even when i'm eating a lot.
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Mike O'hearn comes across as a bit narcissistic and psychopathic at times, but he knows his stuff, he's 51 and still in great shape, legit 21'' arms and very strong and lean and he is natty
You are joking, right?
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Mike O'hearn comes across as a bit narcissistic and psychopathic at times, but he knows his stuff, he's 51 and still in great shape, legit 21'' arms and very strong and lean and he is natty
A bit? A bit??
Hitler was holding a bit of a grudge against the Jews.
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Mike O'hearn comes across as a bit narcissistic and psychopathic at times, but he knows his stuff, he's 51 and still in great shape, legit 21'' arms and very strong and lean and he is natty
Hi Mike
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You are joking, right?
Not joking at all
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Not joking at all
He's natural if I'm 7 feet tall.
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He's natural if I'm 7 feet tall.
I think he said he started training at 8 yrs old or something
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I think he said he started training at 8 yrs old or something
I started at 12 and I don't look like him. He must be taking MuscleTech.
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I started at 12 and I don't look like him. He must be taking MuscleTech.
In all fairness, maybe he's lying out of his ass and he's on tren and growth hormone
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It's true, most olympic sprinters are overweight. There bodies are too afraid to release the fat.
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It's true, most olympic sprinters are overweight. There bodies are too afraid to release the fat.
Wes............
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So what's a typical day of eating look like for you now?
shake for breakfast whey in milk 75gms protein
3 fried eggs 4 bacon
8 oz steak or chicken
large tub coconut yoghurt
steak or chicken again if I feel like it
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shake for breakfast whey in milk 75gms protein
3 fried eggs 4 bacon
8 oz steak or chicken
large tub coconut yoghurt
steak or chicken again if I feel like it
thanks
ever do a full CBC and CHOL workup after a long while on this?
Last time I tried my Total CHOL and Triglycerides where through the roof
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thanks
ever do a full CBC and CHOL workup after a long while on this?
Last time I tried my Total CHOL and Triglycerides where through the roof
no idea what you are talking about, you mean blood test?
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no idea what you are talking about, you mean blood test?
yes.. sorry blood work...
was on a diet like that for a year and doc says my bloodwork was the worst he's ever seen..lol
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So much is made of what fuel a cardio activity is using when bodybuilders discuss cardio. Fast walking is using mainly fat. Sprints mainly sugar. I think in the end what matters is the total caloric cost during the activity and after caloric cost of the activity. Again I think for a bodybuilder fast walking is probably ideal to save energy for lifting. For an athlete walking is a joke. You need to be doing high intensity like 6 x 800 meters or even 100 meter repeats. At minimum running hard for distance to supplement so many sports where having a big gas tank is important like the fighting sports.
This part has nothing to do with the topic but maybe it does. A friend of mine was out of shape and around 50. He started running a mile at a super slow pace of a 12 minute mile. In a space of six months he is up to 6 slow miles 4 to 6 days a week. The result is drastic. He does no other exercise. His face is tight and he is lean and tight now. A real runner would laugh at his pace but I'm sure the majority of bodybuilders couldn't keep up with him.
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This part has nothing to do with the topic but maybe it does. A friend of mine was out of shape and around 50. He started running a mile at a super slow pace of a 12 minute mile. In a space of six months he is up to 6 slow miles 4 to 6 days a week. The result is drastic. He does no other exercise. His face is tight and he is lean and tight now. A real runner would laugh at his pace but I'm sure the majority of bodybuilders couldn't keep up with him.
That's cool - but does he look good in a glittery thong? ;D
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So much is made of what fuel a cardio activity is using when bodybuilders discuss cardio. Fast walking is using mainly fat. Sprints mainly sugar. I think in the end what matters is the total caloric cost during the activity and after caloric cost of the activity. Again I think for a bodybuilder fast walking is probably ideal to save energy for lifting. For an athlete walking is a joke. You need to be doing high intensity like 6 x 800 meters or even 100 meter repeats. At minimum running hard for distance to supplement so many sports where having a big gas tank is important like the fighting sports.
This part has nothing to do with the topic but maybe it does. A friend of mine was out of shape and around 50. He started running a mile at a super slow pace of a 12 minute mile. In a space of six months he is up to 6 slow miles 4 to 6 days a week. The result is drastic. He does no other exercise. His face is tight and he is lean and tight now. A real runner would laugh at his pace but I'm sure the majority of bodybuilders couldn't keep up with him.
Long slow distance was a program put out by Ernst Van Aaken in the 1960's. It works but is boring as hell.
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Some good stuff in this thread.
I know plenty of folks who perform well athletically with the LCHF type of eating.
Personally, I fall into the category of getting too stringy when I cut out carbs, but I will admit I've never given it more than a few weeks to get my body to adapt.
Regardless, cutting out sugar, refined foods, and seed/vegetable oils seems to be key, then adjusting carb levels depending on goals.
The food pyramid is shit.
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So much is made of what fuel a cardio activity is using when bodybuilders discuss cardio. Fast walking is using mainly fat. Sprints mainly sugar. I think in the end what matters is the total caloric cost during the activity and after caloric cost of the activity. Again I think for a bodybuilder fast walking is probably ideal to save energy for lifting. For an athlete walking is a joke. You need to be doing high intensity like 6 x 800 meters or even 100 meter repeats. At minimum running hard for distance to supplement so many sports where having a big gas tank is important like the fighting sports.
This part has nothing to do with the topic but maybe it does. A friend of mine was out of shape and around 50. He started running a mile at a super slow pace of a 12 minute mile. In a space of six months he is up to 6 slow miles 4 to 6 days a week. The result is drastic. He does no other exercise. His face is tight and he is lean and tight now. A real runner would laugh at his pace but I'm sure the majority of bodybuilders couldn't keep up with him.
This is why I got bored w BB - looking a certain way has no relevance to actually being in shape or functioning athletically.
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This is why I got bored w BB - looking a certain way has no relevance to actually being in shape or functioning athletically.
True, but as an adult, what is the advantage to having a functioning athletic body?
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True, but as an adult, what is the advantage to having a functioning athletic body?
Um - everything?
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Um - everything?
Everything.....what? Do you run sprints at your job? Need a high vertical jump? Being athletic means nothing if you aren't competing in sports.
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Everything.....what? Do you run sprints at your job? Need a high vertical jump? Being athletic means nothing if you aren't competing in sports.
being able to bend over and tie my shoes when I'm 90?