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Title: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: affeman on February 14, 2021, 12:11:12 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: irishdave on February 14, 2021, 04:49:21 AM
Good builds but they must not have Irish genetics as the narrow clavicles are fairly evident

One cannot have elite genetics with narrow shoulders

Look At Phil for example - narrow shoulders and a little bloofy  chest - worst Olympia ever without a shadow of a doubt
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 14, 2021, 04:53:24 AM
What year was that? Mentzer looks great. Thought he stopped competing after 1980? This looks around the time Arnold was growing his hair out for Conan around 1981.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 14, 2021, 05:06:16 AM
I think Arnold had longish hair in the late 70's as well.  This pic was probably taken after a Mentzer contest win.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: joswift on February 14, 2021, 05:06:47 AM
What year was that? Mentzer looks great. Thought he stopped competing after 1980? This looks around the time Arnold was growing his hair out for Conan around 1981.
Im pretty sure Mike wouldnt be shaking hands with Arnold after 1980
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: oldtimer1 on February 14, 2021, 05:26:05 AM
Im pretty sure Mike wouldnt be shaking hands with Arnold after 1980

They weren't enemies after 1980. Arnold even offered to help Ray financially when he was in ill health and spoke to Mike on the phone about it near the time they both died. Mike even wanted to do a reunion with Arnold on that final video tape he was working on.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: karasan on February 14, 2021, 05:55:13 AM
What year was that? Mentzer looks great. Thought he stopped competing after 1980? This
looks around the time Arnold was growing his hair out for Conan around 1981.
Did Mentzer compete after 1980 Mr. O
Answer is no.
Pic is sometime between 1976 to 79
You can have amazing genetics minus shoulder girdle.
Larry Scott had back, biceps, deltoids and whole upper arms
İf you think Heath is not gifted, your nuts
And how is he worse than Chris Dickerson???
Mike Mentzer is among very top geneticwise
His shoulder width, back thickness and chest depth lacks but he makes up with so many strong points.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 14, 2021, 06:06:44 AM
Good builds but they must not have Irish genetics as the narrow clavicles are fairly evident

One cannot have elite genetics with narrow shoulders

Look At Phil for example - narrow shoulders and a little bloofy  chest - worst Olympia ever without a shadow of a doubt

In bodybuilding really wide shoulders are a negative. Better to have normal or somewhat narrow clavicles.  Analyze the best bodybuilders and think who has very wide clavicles. Then think about the pros who are known for really wide clavicles.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 14, 2021, 06:32:11 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: IroNat on February 14, 2021, 07:12:15 AM
Arnold doesn't have wide shoulder structure.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 14, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
:o
He was delusional from the 800 a day calorie diet, very little sleep, meth and booze.  He never recovered.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: irishdave on February 14, 2021, 04:01:12 PM
In bodybuilding really wide shoulders are a negative. Better to have normal or somewhat narrow clavicles.  Analyze the best bodybuilders and think who has very wide clavicles. Then think about the pros who are known for really wide clavicles.

Bullshit

Only small men say such thing

Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Royalty on February 14, 2021, 05:27:23 PM
In bodybuilding really wide shoulders are a negative. Better to have normal or somewhat narrow clavicles.  Analyze the best bodybuilders and think who has very wide clavicles. Then think about the pros who are known for really wide clavicles.

Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: pamith on February 14, 2021, 06:41:58 PM
Arnold is wide, not necessarily the widest shoulders but he's wide
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: pamith on February 14, 2021, 06:45:25 PM
This dude had the widest shoulders, Don Howorth (https://i.pinimg.com/236x/fb/dd/e0/fbdde066ff7cd3213a64cd04a25790f0--vintage-men-bodybuilder.jpg)
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: pamith on February 14, 2021, 06:46:16 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Hypertrophy on February 14, 2021, 06:52:44 PM


Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 14, 2021, 07:04:15 PM
Case closed
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: TheAnimal on February 14, 2021, 08:36:53 PM

WOW this is impressive
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: karasan on February 15, 2021, 02:06:12 AM
Arnold is wide, not necessarily the widest shoulders but he's wide
Totally agree, he has a large frame and broad shoulders but not the widest among the crop.
Some say he was not wide mistaken by his sloping shoulders and deltoids being his not greatest asset.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: fredrollon on February 15, 2021, 02:25:30 AM
In bodybuilding really wide shoulders are a negative. Better to have normal or somewhat narrow clavicles.  Analyze the best bodybuilders and think who has very wide clavicles. Then think about the pros who are known for really wide clavicles.
Not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

If a bodybuilder has wide clavicles,they have to build up there chest and upper back to compensate for the width?

Or ,maybe they need extra muscle mass to fill in the wide shoulder frame (kind of like with short and tall bodybuilder - short bodybuilders need les absolute muscle mass to fill out their frame)?
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: pellius on February 15, 2021, 02:44:29 AM
In bodybuilding really wide shoulders are a negative. Better to have normal or somewhat narrow clavicles.  Analyze the best bodybuilders and think who has very wide clavicles. Then think about the pros who are known for really wide clavicles.

Very few people notice this and make this observation. When you have very wide clavicle width you get that coat hanger look. If you've ever seen a bber with extra wide clavicles their arms look so stringy handing to the side when standing relaxed. You have all this space between your arms and torso.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: karasan on February 15, 2021, 05:15:16 AM
Very few people notice this and make this observation. When you have very wide clavicle width you get that coat hanger look. If you've ever seen a bber with extra wide clavicles their arms look so stringy handing to the side when standing relaxed. You have all this space between your arms and torso.
True genetic freaks can fill out broad frame, Dennis Newman, Lee Haney, Nasser Elsonbaty, Ronnie Coleman are all naturally broad shouldered with no problem filling those frames.
Mike Matarazzo failed miserably with his thin back, high lats and weak pecs.
So if you can fill it, it's not a problem, but it is very rare to be very wide and thick at the same time.
Real broad shouldered guys tend to have Ectomorph tendencies along with mesomorphy.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: IroNat on February 15, 2021, 05:19:47 AM
Arnold is wide, not necessarily the widest shoulders but he's wide

Nope.  He is not wide.

He packed a lot of mass on his delts which makes him appear so.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Van_Bilderass on February 15, 2021, 05:34:52 AM
Not quite sure what point you're trying to make.

If a bodybuilder has wide clavicles,they have to build up there chest and upper back to compensate for the width?

Or ,maybe they need extra muscle mass to fill in the wide shoulder frame (kind of like with short and tall bodybuilder - short bodybuilders need les absolute muscle mass to fill out their frame)?

Yes, problems with filling out but it also just looks goofy and not as aesthetically pleasing to some. Aesthetic preferences differ some though. A frame generally on the lighter side makes muscle look more impressive to me.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: TheShape. on February 15, 2021, 06:14:33 AM
True genetic freaks can fill out broad frame, Dennis Newman, Lee Haney, Nasser Elsonbaty, Ronnie Coleman are all naturally broad shouldered with no problem filling those frames.
Mike Matarazzo failed miserably with his thin back, high lats and weak pecs.
So if you can fill it, it's not a problem, but it is very rare to be very wide and thick at the same time.
Real broad shouldered guys tend to have Ectomorph tendencies along with mesomorphy.
Ronnie actually didn’t have a super side frame either, look at him now. It’s clear it was all muscle.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: irishdave on February 15, 2021, 06:18:23 AM
Ronnie actually didn’t have a super side frame either, look at him now. It’s clear it was all muscle.

Ronnie was not wide. He’s not looking At their actual shoulder structure I assume
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 15, 2021, 09:23:31 AM
Case closed
Mentzer looked great in gym and beach pics but not so impressive when up against other bodybuilders on stage.  He even had a perfect score on the Olympia stage and won his division only to lose to Zane head to head.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: MCWAY on February 15, 2021, 09:53:37 AM
Good builds but they must not have Irish genetics as the narrow clavicles are fairly evident

One cannot have elite genetics with narrow shoulders

Look At Phil for example - narrow shoulders and a little bloofy  chest - worst Olympia ever without a shadow of a doubt

You're saying Chris Dickerson is better than Heath?

Seven Sandows vs. one (actually, I don't think Dickerson actually got a Sandow when he won it. It was just a big regular-looking trophy).
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Dave D on February 15, 2021, 10:07:29 AM
When Cutler was at the top of the game he was the widest person I’ve ever seen. I’m assuming he has a wide shoulder girdle or was that strictly drug induced (Gunther was very wide as well, massive in terms of overall size, but Cutler at his height was something else. And for those wondering Ronnie had the biggest arms of all the pros from that era. Mind boggling size.).

Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: pamith on February 15, 2021, 10:35:39 AM
When Cutler was at the top of the game he was the widest person I’ve ever seen. I’m assuming he has a wide shoulder girdle or was that strictly drug induced (Gunther was very wide as well, massive in terms of overall size, but Cutler at his height was something else. And for those wondering Ronnie had the biggest arms of all the pros from that era. Mind boggling size.).
Ronnie had some truly huge arms, genetic freak
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Dave D on February 15, 2021, 10:38:48 AM
Ronnie had some truly huge arms, genetic freak

I agree.  Ronnie had huge genetics and freak arms.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: joswift on February 15, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
wide clavicles?

Just look what happened to Dillet

Its the muscle that fills the frame not the bone structure
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 15, 2021, 01:55:41 PM
No big gut here
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Hypertrophy on February 15, 2021, 02:56:39 PM
wide clavicles?

Just look what happened to Dillet

Its the muscle that fills the frame not the bone structure


Exactly!



Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Royalty on February 15, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
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Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: TheShape. on February 15, 2021, 03:31:48 PM

Exactly!
Every good bodybuilder seems to be a natural ectomorph.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: irishdave on February 16, 2021, 02:26:16 AM

Exactly!

Not really. If you’ve good eyes you’ll see Kevin is still rather narrow. Dillett does look different alright. Maybe he had better access to GH. Maybe Pfizer like Dorian.
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: monsterman500 on February 16, 2021, 07:17:53 AM
wide clavicles?

Just look what happened to Dillet

Its the oil that fills the frame not the bone structure
exactly
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: pamith on February 20, 2021, 10:01:06 AM
All great bodybuilders are pure mesomorphs
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: monsterman500 on February 25, 2021, 07:43:36 AM
No big gut here
yeah but it´s a front shot. A cock can look small but from a side shot a thick monster! ;)
Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: King Shizzo on February 25, 2021, 07:45:57 AM
yeah but it´s a front shot. A cock can look small but from a side shot a thick monster! ;)
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Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: BossBoss on February 25, 2021, 07:59:58 AM
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Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Kwon on February 25, 2021, 09:54:50 AM
Every good bodybuilder seems to be a natural ectomorph.

All great bodybuilders are pure mesomorphs

The majority of great bodybuilders are endomorphs.

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Title: Re: Arnold was right about Mentzers fat belly...
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 25, 2021, 10:58:59 AM

It's quite confusing.