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http://getbig.com/iview/demilia060413.htm
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Good interview. If I didn't know any better, I would think that Ron is totally against the PDI from the tone of his questioning. I can understand some people being skeptical, but this is Wayne Demilia, the most accomplished promoter in pro bodybuilding history. He has to build everything from the ground up, but don't be surprised if he succeeds because he gets it, he puts the fans first, runs a first class show and still knows how to make a profit. AMI seems to only think about the making a profit part.
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I'm actually pretty happy that it wasn't a cupcake interview. Ron admitted he is involved in NPC/IFBB things, and came at Wayne repeatedly with some tough and persistent Qs. I think Wayne answered them, too.
The funniest part is the hatred that many people here toss at the PDI when the first show is FIVE MONTHS AWAY! They say they're not threatened, then spend hours bashing it. You don't spend time bashing something you don't consider a worthy adversary. Right, Chick? ;)
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Night of Champions was the first pro show other than the Mr. Olympia. Up into that time, the only pro show was the Mr. Olympia ...
Actually the IFBB Pro Mr. Universe was in 1975.
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Ron sounds like an idiot in this interview
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Ron sounds like an idiot in this interview
I'll second that. I don't understand the reason for the attack....
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Is this a misprint?
"When Ben Weider said goodbye to me, I said goodbye to me. "
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Is this a misprint?
"When Ben Weider said goodbye to me, I said goodbye to me. "
Kevin, you feel honored that wayne mentioned you?
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Kevin, you feel honored that wayne mentioned you?
Why, are you upset that you were not?
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The funniest part is the hatred that many people here toss at the PDI when the first show is FIVE MONTHS AWAY!
5 months isn't very long when many guys diet 4 months or longer for a show. That means a lot more names had better start committing next month at the latest. Time is ticking away. I suppose it's possible someone pushing 40 could diet for Europa in August or the Atlantic City show and feel they get screwed there and jump to PDI, but they're not exactly going to be top guys.
I doubt anyone but Priest who qualfies for the O will want to do a non-IFBB show around the Olympia, so that will eliminate pretty much every quality bodybuilder.
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Why, are you upset that you were not?
LOL... my value is greater when I'm not mentioned, dear. The value and timing of my information delivery far outweighs any gained from namedropping.
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LOL... my value is greater when I'm not mentioned, dear. The value and timing of my information delivery far outweighs any gained from namedropping.
Considering that you have elevated yourself to the lofty heights of Chief PDI Mouthpiece, you must have been a little upset that you were not thanked for your services?
I wonder what gain Wayne felt could be made in his name dropping?
;D
No doubt the other Wayne Worshiper will be along to add to this thread shortly.
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I have to say I'm surprised to see how tough Ron was on Wayne. He wasn't anywhere near tough when he interviewed Craig and Kelly after the murder.
GETBIG'S RON INTERVIEWS CRAIG AND KELLY!!
Ron: Craig, did you do it?
CT: No man, I had nothing to do with it.
Ron: So what happened?
CT: All of this crap on the internet and television is complete BS.
Ron: Tell us what happened Craig.
CT: We opened our home to this girl who needed a place to stay. She became addicted to drugs and we felt sorry for her. I felt the right thing to do was to send her home to be with her family for the holidays and to get cleaned up. I bought her a plane ticket and booked a hotel for her. Why would I do that for someone I wanted to kill?
Ron: So Kelly, did you kill her?
KR: No man, I had nothing to do with it.
Ron: So what happened?
KR: All of this crap on the internet and television is complete BS.
Ron: Yeah, I know. That's what I've been saying.
KR: We opened our home and hearts to this girl and now everyone thinks we're monsters.
Ron: Well, why did you guys flee to Boston?
KR: We didn't "flee" anywhere. We went on a cross-country road trip to get some quality time together. I read about this great nail salon in Boston and since Craig's best friend lives there, we decided to visit him for a few days.
Ron: That's what I originally said on Getbig. That you guys were on vacation.
KR: You were exactly right, Ron.
Ron: Thanks. So how did Melissa wind up dead?
KR: She had been very depressed lately.
Ron: So you're saying it was a suicide?
KR: Anything is possible.
Ron: Wow, that's astonishing.
CT: Kelly and I are 100% innocent. Remember brother, it's innocent until proven guilty.
Ron: I know Craig. That's what I keep telling people.
CT: Okay brother, we gotta get back to our cells.
Ron: Thanks for the real story Craig and Kelly.
CT: Peace.
KR: Happy Passover Ron.
GETBIG'S RON COMMENTS:
As I've been saying, we shouldn't rush to conclusions about the case. Craig and Kelly have always been very nice to me. I've known them for years and have never seen them murder anyone. I've never heard any rumors about them strangling people or burning them either, so I think we all need to be patient and wait for the whole story to emerge. Melissa James is the only one who knows what really happened and she can't tell us. Who knows what really happened? Maybe Melissa overdosed on drugs and fell into on one of her nylon pantyhose that was hanging up to dry and caught her neck in it and began choking and flailing and then fell on a morphine-filled syringe and then tried to call 911 but accidentally picked up a Taser and shot herself with it and then fell down the stairs and went looking in the garage for Craig or Kelly to help her and then she tripped and fell into the trunk of Kelly's Jaguar and died there. Maybe the Jaguar had been giving them problems (they are notoriously unreliable) and Craig decided to torch the vehicle and had no idea that Melissa had OD'ed, strangled herself on her pantyhose, and fallen into the trunk. Folks, anything is possible. As I've said, I've known Craig and Kelly for many years and they never strangled, stunned, beat, tasered, burned, injected or killed me, so I think we need to take them at their word.
Special "Ron" Ed
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That's some hardcore investigative work there ::)
I have to say I'm surprised to see how tough Ron was on Wayne. He wasn't anywhere near tough when he interviewed Craig and Kelly after the murder.
GETBIG'S RON INTERVIEWS CRAIG AND KELLY!!
Ron: Craig, did you do it?
CT: No man, I had nothing to do with it.
Ron: So what happened?
CT: All of this crap on the internet and television is complete BS.
Ron: Tell us what happened Craig.
CT: We opened our home to this girl who needed a place to stay. She became addicted to drugs and we felt sorry for her. I felt the right thing to do was to send her home to be with her family for the holidays and to get cleaned up. I bought her a plane ticket and booked a hotel for her. Why would I do that for someone I wanted to kill?
Ron: So Kelly, did you kill her?
KR: No man, I had nothing to do with it.
Ron: So what happened?
KR: All of this crap on the internet and television is complete BS.
Ron: Yeah, I know. That's what I've been saying.
KR: We opened our home and hearts to this girl and now everyone thinks we're monsters.
Ron: Well, why did you guys flee to Boston?
KR: We didn't "flee" anywhere. We went on a cross-country road trip to get some quality time together. I read about this great nail salon in Boston and since Craig's best friend lives there, we decided to visit him for a few days.
Ron: That's what I originally said on Getbig. That you guys were on vacation.
KR: You were exactly right, Ron.
Ron: Thanks. So how did Melissa wind up dead?
KR: She had been very depressed lately.
Ron: So you're saying it was a suicide?
KR: Anything is possible.
Ron: Wow, that's astonishing.
CT: Kelly and I are 100% innocent. Remember brother, it's innocent until proven guilty.
Ron: I know Craig. That's what I keep telling people.
CT: Okay brother, we gotta get back to our cells.
Ron: Thanks for the real story Craig and Kelly.
CT: Peace.
KR: Happy Passover Ron.
GETBIG'S RON COMMENTS:
As I've been saying, we shouldn't rush to conclusions about the case. Craig and Kelly have always been very nice to me. I've known them for years and have never seen them murder anyone. I've never heard any rumors about them strangling people or burning them either, so I think we all need to be patient and wait for the whole story to emerge. Melissa James is the only one who knows what really happened and she can't tell us. Who knows what really happened? Maybe Melissa overdosed on drugs and fell into on one of her nylon pantyhose that was hanging up to dry and caught her neck in it and began choking and flailing and then fell on a morphine-filled syringe and then tried to call 911 but accidentally picked up a Taser and shot herself with it and then fell down the stairs and went looking in the garage for Craig or Kelly to help her and then she tripped and fell into the trunk of Kelly's Jaguar and died there. Maybe the Jaguar had been giving them problems (they are notoriously unreliable) and Craig decided to torch the vehicle and had no idea that Melissa had OD'ed, strangled herself on her pantyhose, and fallen into the trunk. Folks, anything is possible. As I've said, I've known Craig and Kelly for many years and they never strangled, stunned, beat, tasered, burned, injected or killed me, so I think we need to take them at their word.
Special "Ron" Ed
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the questions do seem a bit hostile.
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"...you have to abide by certain rules, according to the Covenant..."
What? >:(
Oh ya... Wayne Demilia is the one to take pro bodybuilding to the promiseland.
People, that dog ain't gonna hunt. :(
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Ron seemed a little crazy :-\
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Was this interview written by a child? It's a disgrace for Ron that he can't hit F7 for a spell check.
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http://getbig.com/iview/demilia060413.htm
Ron tends to crack nuts when he grills IFBB officials.
It's his nature.
DIV
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Hopefully the PDI succeeds. I'm so sick and tired of the dominance of the IFBB
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He never answered the fact that he'd originally released a "press release" about giving the BB's "medical benefits" from McLean hospital (which is a PSYCHIATRIC hospital), he sidesteps it.
Pro Division Inc announced today an agreement with McLean Hospital, part of Harvard Medical School, to provide medical benefits for Pro Division Inc members.
In fact he lies, saying he only stated they'd be getting physicals from that hopsital (which is still weird given that it's a mental hospital -- the hopsital itself states it is "for mental health care and research."), when in the above quote his press release says medical benefits.
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He never answered the fact that he'd originally released a "press release" about giving the BB's "medical benefits" from McLean hospital (which is a PSYCHIATRIC hospital), he sidesteps it.
In fact he lies, saying he only stated they'd be getting physicals from that hopsital (which is still weird given that it's a mental hospital -- the hopsital itself states it is "for mental health care and research."), when in the above quote his press release says medical benefits.
Maybe Wayne is making a statement about the bodybuilding industry by having physicals in an insane asylum ;D
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Well I gotta tell you Ron I like you allot but you are a horrible interviewer. Now on your behalf I am pretty sure some in fact most of these questions were given to you by either Chic, Manion or someone else at the IFBB. That interview is nothing different than if Manion himself gave it. Can you be anymore negative and biased. Please do not say again you are not biased. Wayne answered those questions perfectly. Given away to many answers is just plain stupid. Anyone coming out with a new product or service would tell you the same thing. And the funniest part was when you ask him how to improve the Arnold or Olympia. That right there is a giveaway someone else wrote those questions.
And you and others who keep harping on not having a website is just hilarious. First off, he is having one made. Second, it is going to be a very good website in design and functionality. Lets pretend he was dumb like you and others who think he should have a website up already. Well it's not up so should he wait till it's done to announce the PDI and everything whats going on. That is stupid. So why not use the boards and magazines to promote PDI while the site is being developed. Anyone mentioning there is no website for the PDI so it must be fake or not serious rank up there with the most ignorant. Also, instead of ragging on a site not built yet, rag on the IFBB's website which is perhaps one of the worst and defnitely the most unprofessional and ugly sites on the internet. Now that is embarrasing.
People rag on me for being so negative about the IFBB, NPC, Manion and the Weiders. I have a reason and I am very far from being alone. There are many reasons and they keep getting bigger and bigger so ragging on these is substantiated. But, ragging on the PDI is unjustified. They haven't done anything yet.
I understand you are a IFBB, NPC man and when the PDI starts making it, it will dent your exclusivity with these, but you need to realize the PDI is here and it will make a big difference in BB. All for the positive. So you might as well hang on and grab on as soon as you can.
And it was really funny you trying to find out major sponsors names. That was very funny too.
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This should also have a sticky.
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I do think that the PDI should have a website up by now. I'm sure theirs will be very nice, but even a temporary website, just to share info and capitalize somewhat on what interest there is, should be there.
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Ron is a Joe Weider lapdog. Sad but true.
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~snip~
And you and others who keep harping on not having a website is just hilarious. First off, he is having one made. Second, it is going to be a very good website in design and functionality. Lets pretend he was dumb like you and others who think he should have a website up already.
I do think that the PDI should have a website up by now. I'm sure theirs will be very nice, but even a temporary website, just to share info and capitalize somewhat on what interest there is, should be there.
;D
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we're allowed to disagree. I will sometimes postpone website perfection in pursuit of capitalization of market opportinities.
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Ron....
you've done better interviews before.
I was starting to see you acting like a Nazi again in that interview.
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So, in your opinion, what can make the IFBB 2006 Mr. Olympia a little better?
I am not going to answer that, why should I give them all of the secrets. They want to pay me as a consultant, then I will think about it. But I know the answer. And if you need any proof, just look at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. But you know what, that is their show. They know my phone number. But they want to do it on their own, and that is their prerogative. The Olympia is their event, and I wish them the best. We have our events, I have my promoters, and this is just the beginning. We are already in deep negotiations on a slew of shows worldwide for 2007. If you look at what our schedule is, we are saying that by 2010, we hope to have 25 shows. Well, in simple math, that is adding about 5 shows a year. This year, 2006, we are slated to have 6 shows. Next year, we will have more than 10, possibly close to 15.
Note to IFBB/AMI....swallow your pride and take Wayne up on his offer to work as a consultant for the Olympia. It should be obvious what the problems are, but since it's not, pick up the phone and call Wayne. The Olympia has become embarrassing from the well-run, fan friendly show it was a few years ago.
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Ron , I think your interview was to focused on a negative , once it was established that this was a real venture and that time is needed to establish such a venture, then you should have changed your attacking approach and tried to understand what good Wayne was hoping to bring to the sport and what he visions as a better ment for the sport and then perhaps talked about what the athletes will get if they made a move to the PDI, you could have played both , the devils advocate as well as the caring angel , but as it was you came across as looking for a floor in the venture , thus you came across very negative indeed !
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I'm glad Ron went at him hard. Better to be accused of being too tough, than of tossing softball questions at him. I think Wayne used the opportunity to rep the PDI well.
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Oh i agree the hard questions needed to be ask , no doubt about that but i think some balance could have been implemented as well , remember if this becomes huge , you may just want wayne back for another interview some day !!
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WTF, RON???
Damn, bro...that was WAY too IFBB-centric.
You know I like and respect you, but I've got to call you out on this one, mate. There was nothing at all unbiased about that interview, which is fine, but the problem is that you approached it as if your beloved IFBB is god's gift to anything!
*rant over*
Any business - run by greedy individuals - that is able to operate without competition will not give fair value to its customers.
Any competition for the IFBB is better than none, my friend. In the end, everyone benefits from the growth of the sport. I've got to break you out of that IFBB 'control' mentality.
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Any competition for the IFBB is better than none, my friend. In the end, everyone benefits from the growth of the sport.
YES!!!
Absolutely right. Sponsors will kick in more money, IFBB/PDI will walk on eggshells not to piss people off, reputation will start to matter again, and many other good things are about to happen. Photogs will have more work. Webguys will have more work. FANS WILL HAVE MORE, and MORE INTERESTING SHOWS to watch.
The PDI will make the IFBB better!
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I could go on and on about this, but I'll just leave it at this. PDI is causing quite a stir for something that most people (supposedly) think is just an idea. ;D
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I could go on and on about this, but I'll just leave it at this. PDI is causing quite a stir for something that most people (supposedly) think is just an idea. ;D
:)
Are they talking about PDI on Mayhem at all?
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Well - if you guys thought that I would go into the interview and not ask the questions that everybody is asking about, then you were wrong. I went and asked whatever questions that I had, plus ones of from the boards, from competitors, and what people really wanted to know. If I sounded negative, ok - but hard questions were needed to be asked, and no one was asking them them.
I'll second that. I don't understand the reason for the attack.... the questions do seem a bit hostile.
Hostile? No - but why beat around the bush. People want to know what the PDI is, and what is coming up? These competitors - for some of them means a career, and they need information that I didn’t find anywhere out there so I went right to the source.
Most of these questions were given to you by either Chic, Manion or someone else at the IFBB.
No. I don’t play the game. I ask the questions I want to ask. There was no set of questions, we were having a conversation.
Part was when you ask him how to improve the Arnold or Olympia.. That right there is a giveaway someone else wrote those questions.
Yeah right - I have heard so many people complain about the Olympia, that I wanted to know what he thought should be improved. No one asked me to ask him that.
But, ragging on the PDI is unjustified. Ron is a Joe Weider lapdog. Sad but true.
Ragging on the PDI? No - asking hard questions. Yes, As for being Joe Weiders lapdog, very funny. Actually, i have met Joe a number of times in the past, and he has been pretty cool. But Joe doesn’t have much to do with the IFBB part, it is Ben Weider that has that.
You know I like and respect you, but I've got to call you out on this one, mate. There was nothing at all unbiased about that interview, which is fine, but the problem is that you approached it as if your beloved IFBB is god's gift to anything!
I have no biased for the PDI or against it. What I wanted and so many others wanted is information. Ok - got one for you. Since those questions were the ones that everyone wanted to know, what questions should I have asked that you think should of been in there?
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Are they talking about PDI on Mayhem at all?
Haven't even looked at Mayhem for about 2 years.
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Thats cool ron , thanks for trying to justify your approach, but it didnt sell me for a change of thought on my behalf , still think you needed more balance !!
Any how I hope bubie is all well !!
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Since those questions were the ones that everyone wanted to know, what questions should I have asked that you think should of been in there?
in some of the questions, the problem was with the tone:
Why are you even starting up the Pro Division?
Are you really serious about this Pro Division, or is this a one year show?
So why should these people believe you?
Why can't you just let things be status quo, Let bygones be bygones.
You work for a company for most of your career. There is a power struggle and you lose your job. You go into business for yourself, and you're criticized for just not accepting the status quo ? ?
many weren't even questions, but disparaging remarks followed by a question mark:
But you have nothing! The PDI is nothing?
People on the Getbig boards are calling you delusional
Well - you know what; people just keep saying that the PDI is doomed for failure?
btw, what people on the Getbig forum are calling him delusional? To me it seems that most people think that whether PDI is a long term success or not, a little competition to the IFBB will be good for both the fans and the athletes.
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in some of the questions, the problem was with the tone:
many weren't even questions, but disparaging remarks followed by a question mark:
Agreed. It's one thing to ask hard hitting questions, but another to be so negative. Hey Ron, for the record, did you really ask those exact questions in that exact manner or did you add stuff very drama sake.
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I asked them point blant. Wayne said to ask him anything, and I did. No holds barred.
Why are you even starting up the Pro Division?
Are you really serious about this Pro Division, or is this a one year show?
So why should these people believe you?
Why can't you just let things be status quo, Let bygones be bygones.
Yes questions I wanted to know. Remember the many other organizations that said they were coming to frutation but didn't. Remember the many other rumors that came and was hearsay. I wanted to why he was starting it up, if he was serious, and why should competitors beleive it and change everything for him. I am sorry that I sounded negative, but I wanted the answers. Point blank. Wayne could of backed off any moment and ask me to lighten the questions, but he didn't, he wanted more.
But you have nothing! The PDI is nothing?
People on the Getbig boards are calling you delusional
Well - you know what; people just keep saying that the PDI is doomed for failure?
How soon you forget Kevin Horton's and others calling the PDI & Wayne 'Delusional'. Wanted to know what he thought of that. Same with people saying he is doomed for failure.
All in all - if you think it was negative, that is fine. I wanted to ask some questions about the PDI. I wasnt going to be light because of the nature of it, and that is fine.
Again, what question would you want me to ask him that were tough that I didnt ask?
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This makes me think Ron is scared. Scared of what, I don't exactly know, but IMO somebody connected to the IFBB is putting the screws to him somehow for him to act so out-of-character.
I doubt anyone is putting pressure on Ron. I think it's more likely that Ron is simply a company man, with loyalty to the IFBB. He's offended that anyone else would act disloyal to his company.
The problem is that companies come and go. This is especially true when a company is so dominately controlled by a few people. People get old and die.
For a long time, bodybuilding was dominated by Hoffman. The rise of the IFBB highly correlates with Hoffman's failing health.
Joe Weider is already out of the picture. Will the IFBB survive after Ben is no longer around?
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Ron, I just think the impression I was given about the interview....it seemed you kept drilling him on the same issues over & over. That in itself makes it seem more like a debate vs an actual interview. If he didn't give you an answer you thought was clear enough....you asked why & then why over again.
I can see where I an a lot of people interupted the interview as being biased.
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off Topic; Knny where is the dog? >:(
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Again, what question would you want me to ask him that were tough that I didnt ask?
well, what were the criticisms of him when he was running things in the IFBB? I'd ask him about each one, and how would things be different now.
I'd ask him about how will athletes be guaranteed that they'll receive their prize money in a timely fashion.
I'd ask for clarification on whether athletes are under contract with the PDI. Can an athlete enter the NOC and then a few months later enter the NABBA Pro Universe, then the NOC the following year.
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Read it, it was answered. But give me more questions, and I will ask him whatever you guys think?
Ok - but the IFBB is a federation for bodybuilders. What is the PDI?
It is a corporation that deals in bodybuilding sports entertainment through competition. Athletes will join us, filling out membership forms, and have to be registered with us in order to compete. When they are in our competitions, they abide by our rules. But we are not going to stop them from competing anywhere else. If they want to compete in the Wabba Pro World or the NABBA Pro Universe, they can. If they want to compete in the Southwest Pro Classic, they can compete. I am not going to stop them.
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off Topic; Knny where is the dog? >:(
some other guy on here is using it.
I like to be an individual!
;D
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Ok - but the IFBB is a federation for bodybuilders.
But, that's the thing. The IFBB is not a sports federation. It's a for profit corporation.
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Read it, it was answered. But give me more questions, and I will ask him whatever you guys think?
Ok - but the IFBB is a federation for bodybuilders. What is the PDI?
It is a corporation that deals in bodybuilding sports entertainment through competition. Athletes will join us, filling out membership forms, and have to be registered with us in order to compete. When they are in our competitions, they abide by our rules. But we are not going to stop them from competing anywhere else. If they want to compete in the Wabba Pro World or the NABBA Pro Universe, they can. If they want to compete in the Southwest Pro Classic, they can compete. I am not going to stop them.
Ron....question....
why did you repeatedly ask him over & over "what sponsors do you have.....what means of marketing are you using.....you have only 8 press releases....why just 8 press releases & nothing else?"
were you trying to get him to give up names of people that he's working with
or
were you just trying to see if he's serious with the intent of the PDI?
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Ron....question....
why did you repeatedly ask him over & over "what sponsors do you have.....what means of marketing are you using.....you have only 8 press releases....why just 8 press releases & nothing else?"
were you trying to get him to give up names of people that he's working with
or
were you just trying to see if he's serious with the intent of the PDI?
Ron watched a few episodes of "Hardball with Chris Matthews", and decided to try out a new interviewing style. ;D
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what questions should I have asked that you think should of been in there?
1) How about what the prize breakdowns are going to be. Where is the cut off point for winnings?
2) Since Wayne was the one who told the IFBB athletes at the Olympia that if they awarded prizes to all the athletes even at the top show that they would come in less then adequate. Does he still hold this doctrine to be true? (I can’t remember his exact words, but this is a close paraphrase)
3) Since only the promoter has to cover the costs for a minimum of 8 athletes, is there going to be any incentive to increase this number if there are more competitors? i.e. 10 competitors at one show (8 get a free ride) 40 competitors at another show will the promoter only be required to give 8 a free ride?
4) Can the promoter decide who gets their expenses covered? If an athlete such as Kamali decides to enter the NOC and he lives in NY, can the promoter cover his expenses (what little there would be) as one of the minimum 8? Are there any guidelines to prevent this from happening?
5) Are the prize purses guaranteed like in the IFBB?
6) If the prizes are not guaranteed will the PDI act accordingly for the benefit of the athletes to ensure they get paid?
7) It has been stated that the PDI is a company and not a federation, thusly an athlete that signs an agreement can be terminated by the PDI, the example that was given on Getbig was for a poor physique, are there any guidelines in place to protect the athletes from this being used as a punishment tool?
8.) Will the athletes have representation or a voice of some kind to take grievances up with? A prime example would be the above situation.
9) Is the judging results going to be made available to the public after the show?
10) Will Judges be held accountable if their placing appear biased or are drastically different from the majority?
Since that is about the equivalent of another interview I will stop now. But yes I still have several more.
/Flame ON.... come beat me up now.
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another question for Wayne:
ethics:
There was some controversy at the recent NY Masters. Some believe that Rusty Jeffers placed much lower than he deserved, perhaps because of his past solo porn videos. Should there be an ethical standard for athletes?
and then the followup:
what about arrests for drug posession with intent to distribute?
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why did you repeatedly ask him over & over "what sponsors do you have.....what means of marketing are you using.....you have only 8 press releases....why just 8 press releases & nothing else?"
Because I wanted an answer to the question. If I don't get it, I ask a different way. Yes, 8 press releases and nothing else, correct. Do you remember the Japanese Federation? Do you remember the Italian federation? The WPI? and so on...
were you trying to get him to give up names of people that he's working with or were you just trying to see if he's serious with the intent of the PDI?
Trying to get the names of the people? That is out there. Making sure that the athletes and competitors know that Wayne is serious with this, for the benefit or all.
Keep giving me those questions, I will get all of the answers - because if you think I am hard on questions, lets see what questions do you have for me.
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the questions seemed rather bitchy and like a bad lawyer in front of a grand jury
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I would've asked how we can take seriously a "bodybuilding organization" named Pro Division, Incorporated. When the hell is he going to get a real name for this supposedly real bodybuilding organization he runs from his yahoo address?
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Because I wanted an answer to the question. If I don't get it, I ask a different way. Yes, 8 press releases and nothing else, correct. Do you remember the Japanese Federation? Do you remember the Italian federation? The WPI? and so on...
Hey....the WPI was the real deal! ;D
Trying to get the names of the people? That is out there. Making sure that the athletes and competitors know that Wayne is serious with this, for the benefit or all.
Well, I do you see your point about trying to inform the competitors....it would really suck if they go into the PDI & 2-3 contests later, it goes under. The IFBB says it doesn't look down on competitors "keeping their options open" & maybe going somewhere else, but I think it would seriously ruin somebody's career especially if they're young & rising in the ranks of the IFBB.
Keep giving me those questions, I will get all of the answers - because if you think I am hard on questions, lets see what questions do you have for me.
It was good to see you Ron grill him on questions. I'm just saying, you usually seem like the unbiased, non contraversal type of interviewer. This time around it seemed like you were going for the jugular.
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I would've asked how we can take seriously a "bodybuilding organization" named Pro Division, Incorporated. When the hell is he going to get a real name for this supposedly real bodybuilding organization he runs from his yahoo address?
The mentioning of the yahoo email is once again priceless. It just screams unprofessional.
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Well, I do you see your point about trying to inform the competitors....it would really suck if they go into the PDI & 2-3 contests later, it goes under. The IFBB says it doesn't look down on competitors "keeping their options open" & maybe going somewhere else, but I think it would seriously ruin somebody's career especially if they're young & rising in the ranks of the IFBB.
the WBF athletes were welcomed back with open arms, sometimes receiving better deals than those who stayed. (read Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit)
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Next set of questions;
1) The medical checkup that is being offered to the athletes, is it going to be mandatory before they enter shows?
2) Are the results of the checkup confidential or does the PDI have access to the results?
3) If a chronic or life threatening condition is discovered will the athlete be removed from the show or the PDI?
4) Does an athlete have to participate in a minimum number of shows?
5) Are the athletes required to sign contracts with the each of the shows that they are entering such as the Olympia, or is the PDI contract cover all that?
6) Will there be any repercussions to an athlete who has made a commitment to a show and even signed a contract (if required) and back out at the last moment ala Lee Priest’s Olympia commitment?
7) Will the athletes be required to participate in events geared towards the fans at the shows, such as the Olympia commitments, or will this be purely voluntarily?
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http://getbig.com/iview/demilia060413.htm
that interview was loaded....
ron is a tool for the IFBB and NPC...
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Good list, Racq.
Ron - it wasn't like this was the last Wayne D interview you'll ever do, so you're off the hook for crying 'poor wittle IFBB' this time. ;)
Next time around, though, let's get into the specifics about PDI as opposed to focusing so much on the PDI vs IFBB angle.
A job well-done, however, for DOING the interview in the first place. Kudos to you for doing that. If (as some people are saying) you were under control of the Weider Klan, that interview never would've taken place.
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I interview whomever I want - when I have the time, and if they let me. Some people will not let me ask what I want and some will do. I ask if it is fine that I ask whatever, and we go from there. Keep those questions coming - because I will ask each and every one of them. So now is the time to ask the question, or don't complain next time an unedited interview goes up.
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I interview whomever I want - when I have the time, and if they let me. Some people will not let me ask what I want and some will do. I ask if it is fine that I ask whatever, and we go from there. Keep those questions coming - because I will ask each and every one of them. So now is the time to ask the question, or don't complain next time an unedited interview goes up.
Was an appropriate interview...there's good reason to have doubt in where PDI is heading
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Question For PDI -
Why the disparaging remarks about female competitors from Wayne, and the non-inclusion of any female category despite the popularity of figure. The entry fees alone would bring in tens of thousands.
I do however like their international perspective :)
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At the risk of sounding like a getbig company man...
I liked the tough questions. I say, hit him hard. If he's legit, it will show through and Wayne will pick up many new fans, sponsors, and above all, athletes! If he's not, it will come out through real questioning.
THIS IS GOOD, PEOPLE! If the story of the day is RON being a prick and NOT some PDI fraud relevation, then guess what- Wayne just passed a great test! I hope Ron comes at him TWICE as tough next time with the above challeneging questions. And I hope the story is that "Ron was a jerk again and oh yeah, Wayne's logic is starting to make sense".
Anyone who has any brains- even if they're an IFBB company man- will realize the PDI will increase their bottom line. NO ONE except maybe Weiders and AMI will lose any money off the competition between the two. And don't think Wayne is going to skate- he is under CONSTANT scrutiny. ANY screwups on his part will be all over the place.
Ron, I can't wait for the next interview- hit him hard and let's see what the true answers are!!!!
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Note to IFBB/AMI....swallow your pride and take Wayne up on his offer to work as a consultant for the Olympia. It should be obvious what the problems are, but since it's not, pick up the phone and call Wayne. The Olympia has become embarrassing from the well-run, fan friendly show it was a few years ago.
As I said before, Wayne was so cool about this that he had left the lighting and staging at the Mandalay Bay and had told AMI they could use it anytime they wished. They passed up not wanting anything to do with Wayne. That rigth there shows how small they think and how dumb they really are.
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At the risk of sounding like a getbig company man...
I liked the tough questions. I say, hit him hard. If he's legit, it will show through and Wayne will pick up many new fans, sponsors, and above all, athletes! If he's not, it will come out through real questioning.
THIS IS GOOD, PEOPLE! If the story of the day is RON being a prick and NOT some PDI fraud relevation, then guess what- Wayne just passed a great test! I hope Ron comes at him TWICE as tough next time with the above challeneging questions. And I hope the story is that "Ron was a jerk again and oh yeah, Wayne's logic is starting to make sense".
Anyone who has any brains- even if they're an IFBB company man- will realize the PDI will increase their bottom line. NO ONE except maybe Weiders and AMI will lose any money off the competition between the two. And don't think Wayne is going to skate- he is under CONSTANT scrutiny. ANY screwups on his part will be all over the place.
Ron, I can't wait for the next interview- hit him hard and let's see what the true answers are!!!!
i said that in one line 240
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i said that in one line 240
I'm as brief as I am likable :)
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I'm as brief as I am likable :)
lol
you know im a fan :)
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Well - if you guys thought that I would go into the interview and not ask the questions that everybody is asking about, then you were wrong. I went and asked whatever questions that I had, plus ones of from the boards, from competitors, and what people really wanted to know. If I sounded negative, ok - but hard questions were needed to be asked, and no one was asking them them.
Hostile? No - but why beat around the bush. People want to know what the PDI is, and what is coming up? These competitors - for some of them means a career, and they need information that I didn’t find anywhere out there so I went right to the source.
No. I don’t play the game. I ask the questions I want to ask. There was no set of questions, we were having a conversation.
Yeah right - I have heard so many people complain about the Olympia, that I wanted to know what he thought should be improved. No one asked me to ask him that.
Ragging on the PDI? No - asking hard questions. Yes, As for being Joe Weiders lapdog, very funny. Actually, i have met Joe a number of times in the past, and he has been pretty cool. But Joe doesn’t have much to do with the IFBB part, it is Ben Weider that has that.
I have no biased for the PDI or against it. What I wanted and so many others wanted is information. Ok - got one for you. Since those questions were the ones that everyone wanted to know, what questions should I have asked that you think should of been in there?
Ron, you are the man but once again you are wrong. You did not ask hard questions. YOu asked qusetions by first belittleing the PDI and Wayne. ex: Well everyone is saying the PDI is never going to make that it s all hype and only going to last a year. Not sure but do you ask What is the difference between the PDI and IFBB. or did you ask anything about the judging. You tried your best not to address the issue of whats wrong with the IFBB and how is the PDI going to be different or improve them. That is what yo should have done. But allot of your questions were condensending and attempting to make the PDI look bad. That is very pro IFBB and if you don't hink so then really you should have someone else do the interviews for now on.
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I'd like to see a moderated debate between Manion and DeMilia.
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They shouold have celebrity boxing between Wayne and Manion
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They shouold have celebrity boxing between Wayne and Manion
No, they should do "Celebrity Deathmatch":
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Bingo!! Scared just like Kevin Horton was.
Stop being pussies!! If the PDI is doomed to failure LET IT FAIL.
But the truth is, they KNOW that Wayne has a good track record as a promoter. They KNOW he put on better Olympias than the debacle that was 2005. They KNOW he can have a much better organization than the IFBB.
Weider just wants a monopoly on the market. Well now that is ending and boo hoo. :'(
This is highly out of character for Ron. Not to be with the conspiracy theories but I wouldn't doubt if someone from the IFBB did press Ron to act this way.
I agree and i dont think anyone wants wayne to fail but there is all this uncertainty about whats happennin in the industry and that mixed with 'conspiracy theories' and lack of information well its gonna frustrate some people...people that may stand to lose money.
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The mentioning of the yahoo email is once again priceless. It just screams unprofessional.
if it said verizon, would that calm you down?
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Ron....While your searching for validity to the PDI, maybe you could do an interview with Shaun Ray and find out why he hasn’t released the competitor list to an IFBB show.
Surely if the IFBB is the best of the best as you seem to be insinuating...it must be an embarrassment to you and the rest of the IFBB lapdogs...that bodybuilding fans still dont know who there going to see?
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Bingo!! Scared just like Kevin Horton was.
Stop being pussies!! If the PDI is doomed to failure LET IT FAIL.
But the truth is, they KNOW that Wayne has a good track record as a promoter. They KNOW he put on better Olympias than the debacle that was 2005. They KNOW he can have a much better organization than the IFBB.
What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?
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if it said @prodivision.com (or whatever) that would be better.
Serious question: is Ron becoming an IFBB stooge?
Speak on this.
and what's the rush to a glammy website?
oh, i forgot..impressions
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What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?
just watt we like turf war
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What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?
Why do you persist in trying to convince people you are in the know. You are a 3rd or 4th tier photographer. YOu have done nothing memorable in your life. You truly need to quit pretending. You more than embarrass yourself on here. Are you truly that dumb. You don't know half of what I know and I don't even come on here sounding as if I am an expert of Wayne and the PDI. Please keep to yourself like you are used too and people will once again forget about you. Time to go get more knee pads so you can keep your paycheck coming n from the IFBB and Manion. And not only are you a stooge you are just plain stupid.
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Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge
fear of competition + IFBB loyalty = stooge (horton,ron)
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Why some people identify thier selves as majority and try to battle out for that mayority?(Like Patriot...In this case IFBB.)
If I were Ron,I would be like mountain in front of WAyne.
But, it look like he is scare out of shit in front of him.....
Why? Because,Ron admit Wayne as a menase to IFBB and NPC.
Another insecure person. Be yourself Ron.That lead you better place. ;)
And do your homework as usual.You do good job here. So,during keep on being your self,things work out better and bring good result to you. Leave the things move,no need to be nervous.
The life is like a river,one who strugle against the stream suffer,another who relax well, stream take him to another safe place.
I mean the result(End up in IFBB?PDI?) doesnt hurt you. But,The proces does.
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Why do you persist in trying to convince people you are in the know. You are a 3rd or 4th tier photographer. YOu have done nothing memorable in your life. You truly need to quit pretending. You more than embarrass yourself on here. Are you truly that dumb. You don't know half of what I know and I don't even come on here sounding as if I am an expert of Wayne and the PDI. Please keep to yourself like you are used too and people will once again forget about you. Time to go get more knee pads so you can keep your paycheck coming n from the IFBB and Manion. And not only are you a stooge you are just plain stupid.
I knew it wouldn't be long before spiderman showed up to offer his little pearls of wisdom.You are incapable of allowing others to hold differing opinions and resort to childish insults in almost all your postings.
While I'm more than capable of lowering myself to your level and trade insults, I'd rather save that energy for any future dealings with 240. At least he's intelligent.
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whatta validator ::)
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I would support the PDI based on this alone
We all got involved in bodybuilding at one time because we all wanted to have a nice V-shaped physique. You are looking for wide shoulders, and V-Shape down to a tight waist, then thighs flaring out a little out, calves flaring out, the legs looking nice, and you have a nice physique that you are happy with, and it makes you better athletes in whatever sport you want to compete with, and women & men find you sexual attractive. The big stomachs are not doing it. There is more muscle on these physiques than ever before. If you look at them part by part, then some of these parts are amazing. But when you put the physiques all together, the physique does not look attractive at all.
What do I have to be scared of?
From the outset I stated that the PDI will not haooen. Not because of any fear of competition but because I have more background information than you do.
This is not the first time Wayne has tried this. First time, it failed. What's changed?
Anyone who questions the validity of the PDI is accused of being an IFBB stooge, As you are such a vociferous supporter of Wayne does that make you a PDI stooge?
Excellent point Kev
Why do you persist in trying to convince people you are in the know. You are a 3rd or 4th tier photographer. YOu have done nothing memorable in your life. You truly need to quit pretending. You more than embarrass yourself on here. Are you truly that dumb. You don't know half of what I know and I don't even come on here sounding as if I am an expert of Wayne and the PDI. Please keep to yourself like you are used too and people will once again forget about you. Time to go get more knee pads so you can keep your paycheck coming n from the IFBB and Manion. And not only are you a stooge you are just plain stupid.
Nothing memorable? Kevin is an excellent photograhper , he is responsible for a ton of great pic , most notable is the B&W Dorian pics from 93 , so say he a 3rd or 4th tier photograhper is hasrh !!
Bottom line if anyone can make a new federation work its Wayne , he has a wealth of experience and perhaps can inject some life back into bodybuilding , because lets face it , its growth has stagnanted , attendence at shows has remained the same for years , I recall Haney posing for crowds of 5-6 thousand people 20 years ago and they crowds haven't grown for Coleman ,one of the reasons why is the sport is boring , even to a hardcore fan , so maybe he has something else to offer
I like how Wayne is approaching this , if he unfolds the way he wants it to it will only compliment the IFBB and NPC , and as a whole will bennefit all of the bodybuilding community , it may be just a grand idea , it may not work out at all , but Wanye and PDI have piqued my curiosity and again I would suuport them just based on the no gut/aesthetic ideal , the top 3 at this years Olympia all had guts , this isn't bodybuilding to me , either way its going to be interesting.
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I'd rather save that energy for any future dealings with 240. At least he's intelligent.
I appreciate that. And all flaming aside-
The beauty of the free market is that you CANNOT STOP A SUPERIOR PRODUCT! :) If the PDI is better, word will get out. No amount of web bashing can stop it. People are too intelligent. So the motives of Bob, Kevin, Ron, etc- whthere biased or not- they DON'T MATTER!
The fans, athletes, and sponsors will determine if Wayne is legit or not. I just spoke to him- he WELCOMES the next batch of questions. Ron, call that man and HIT HIM HARD! THis is what I love business and marketing...
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You guys are getting on Ron for being tough with Wayne in the interview.
Here's what you gotta understand.
If you piss off the NPC/IFBB in this town you're shit out of luck. One way you might piss them off is by appearing too sympathetic to Pro Division.
Hopefully the launch of Pro Division will make the IFBB work harder to reinvigorate professional bodybuilding. Wayne is a dangerous opponent. He knows how to run shows. He knows the inner working of the IFBB, what worked and what didn't. He has the connections not just here but is large worldwide.
This is a great time to be a bodybuilding fan!
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I appreciate that. And all flaming aside-
The beauty of the free market is that you CANNOT STOP A SUPERIOR PRODUCT! :) If the PDI is better, word will get out. No amount of web bashing can stop it. People are too intelligent. So the motives of Bob, Kevin, Ron, etc- whthere biased or not- they DON'T MATTER!
The fans, athletes, and sponsors will determine if Wayne is legit or not. I just spoke to him- he WELCOMES the next batch of questions. Ron, call that man and HIT HIM HARD! THis is what I love business and marketing...
For any producrt to succeed there has to be a market to sustain it and pro bodybuilding has a very small fan base willing to put their hand in thier pocket and buy a ticket. What does the PDI offer that will suddenly increase this market to the point where it can have 25+ professional shows?
While Wayne may welcome the next round of questions he'll evade the issues with his customary "We are doing things at our own pace and all the details will be revealsed at the right time. We will not be rushed" etc. etc. etc.
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For any producrt to succeed there has to be a market to sustain it and pro bodybuilding has a very small fan base willing to put their hand in thier pocket and buy a ticket. What does the PDI offer that will suddenly increase this market to the point where it can have 25+ professional shows?
While Wayne may welcome the next round of questions he'll evade the issues with his customary "We are doing things at our own pace and all the details will be revealsed at the right time. We will not be rushed" etc. etc. etc.
LOL... dude, there were always people screaming that the Horse Buggy would always rule, even as the Model T's started rolling off the assembly line ;)
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LOL... dude, there were always people screaming that the Horse Buggy would always rule, even as the Model T's started rolling off the assembly line ;)
I was one of them!
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I was one of them!
And that's fine. You're showing loyalty to your employers, which is fine. But you'd have better served yourself by not getting involved at all. Now you lose credibility, as you're grouped in with those IFBB YES MEN, and when the PDI does come and you cover it, you're going to look like an ass. Sad but true!
With a stake in the IFBB's success as you're dependent upon your employer- not your ability to command a salary for your skillbase- you didn't have much of a choice.
You're not a free agent. You can't be honest here.
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I appreciate that. And all flaming aside-
The beauty of the free market is that you CANNOT STOP A SUPERIOR PRODUCT! :)
Wow, that's not even remotely true. Microsoft has beaten every competitor, yet it's far from the best product. Intel has beaten AMD, yet AMD chips are much better, and Intel has also stolen business from Motorola (with Apple) yet the Motorola chips are far and away better made.
The winner is rarely the better product. It's actually the one with more money, connections, marketing and power that wins.
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Wow, that's not even remotely true. Microsoft has beaten every competitor, yet it's far from the best product. Intel has beaten AMD, yet AMD chips are much better, and Intel has also stolen business from Motorola (with Apple) yet the Motorola chips are far and away better made.
The winner is rarely the better product. It's actually the one with more money, connections, marketing and power that wins.
MS has won because of a superior marketing strategy, but this took place in an era before informaiton was so freely available. If a new Operating System came out today that was better, faster, more reliable, and cheaper than Windows (and compatable with Office) it would receive major media coverage (well, on FOXnews at least), and firms would purchase it to gain a competitive advantage over their competitors.
Likewise, supp companies will see Wayne's PDI as a chance to have their product/brand associated with something NEW. There is nothing new about another Ronnie-Cutler-Gustavo finish at the O. There is nothing new about a Bob Chick masters pro win with with straight 1s in every category. But there is a series of firsts coming for the PDI!
i AGREE that first in the mindset is often the cause for success, but only because newer firms fail to carve their own niche- they prefer to try to BEAT an established #1- which doesn't work. Apple found NEW success in the last 5 years- how? By niching themselves into the IPOD/Mac lover arena- and ending competing with MS, which they just cannot do, as econ of scale have MS killing them in production efficiency. But Apple has great success now with IPOD and personal media products. Likewise, Wayne is not trying to be the next IFBB. He's trying to be the FIRST PDI- a BBing organization focused upon aesthetics and entertaining shows- which the IFBB is definitely not.
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5 months isn't very long when many guys diet 4 months or longer for a show. That means a lot more names had better start committing next month at the latest. Time is ticking away. I suppose it's possible someone pushing 40 could diet for Europa in August or the Atlantic City show and feel they get screwed there and jump to PDI, but they're not exactly going to be top guys.
I doubt anyone but Priest who qualfies for the O will want to do a non-IFBB show around the Olympia, so that will eliminate pretty much every quality bodybuilder.
Wayne may have more bodybuilders on board with him than what they are actually saying in the press. We do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Wayne may have not been very well liked when he was with the IFBB but he did know how to throw one hell of a show!!!! All of the pro's that were belly aching about him and the IFBB could have gone to other organizations but they didnt.... If those bodybuilders were in so much demand their names would have carried a less non-IFBB show.
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And that's fine. You're showing loyalty to your employers, which is fine. But you'd have better served yourself by not getting involved at all. Now you lose credibility, as you're grouped in with those IFBB YES MEN, and when the PDI does come and you cover it, you're going to look like an ass. Sad but true!
With a stake in the IFBB's success as you're dependent upon your employer- not your ability to command a salary for your skillbase- you didn't have much of a choice.
You're not a free agent. You can't be honest here.
While I would agree that a persons opinions can be influenced by their loyatlies, in this case you are incorrect. I am not employed by the IFBB, AMI/Weider or anyone else. I am in fact the free agent that you say I'm not.
Your assumption about me looking an ass is also wrong. I'm scaling down my work for FLEX in the future so it won't be me covering any PDI shows.
So does my having less of a financial return from this business make my opinions more valid?
When the impending launch of the PDI is still being discussed in 2007 and I am not working for any bodybuilding magazine, will you then still accuse me of being biased or will you respect the fact that someone may actually think for themselves?
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Well, I apologize for making that assumption. Why the strong public rebuke for the PDI though, when it'll mean more opportunity for work, for a free agent like you? And aren't you nervous that your bashing now will mean you might get passed over for a lesser/equal photog later who hasn't publicly doubted Wayne?
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If a new Operating System came out today that was better, faster, more reliable, and cheaper than Windows (and compatable with Office) it would receive major media coverage (well, on FOXnews at least), and firms would purchase it to gain a competitive advantage over their competitors.
It's already available, it's called OSX and is installed on every new Apple computer.
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It's already available, it's called OSX and is installed on every new Apple computer.
yes, but if there was an option that read 'Click here for XP visual format'- to match what we've all had 20 years of training in, and it cost less, people would buy it. But as long as the learning curve is too steep and software is incompatiable and people have to change the way they work, it won't happen.
If apple would let the user download an option from a 3rd party which let the interface match Win XP, we'd be talking. But even then, MS' production capacity and efficiency is probably untouchable, so Apple would be selling at a loss. MS is the Walmart of the industry- and Mac is better off working as a profitable specialty groc store than as a lowcost superstore.
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Ron, you are completely offbase and that interview was a joke. I AM a fan. The kind of fan the IFBB makes money off. I buy supplements every month, I go to the Arnold Classic every year. I pick up the occasional Weider mag. I think pro-bbing is becoming a joke and I wanted to hear what this guy's vision of the PDI was. I don't give a damn about you saying he has no validity 15 times out of 30 questions or generalizing and saying the getbig board thinks he is delusional. From an honest fan of the sport that interview was horseshit from an IFBB company man. You barely asked any questions that true fan of the sport wants to hear, not IFBB nut-huggers.
Hope you can take a little honesty.
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yes, but if there was an option that read 'Click here for XP visual format'- to match what we've all had 20 years of training in, and it cost less, people would buy it. But as long as the learning curve is too steep and software is incompatiable and people have to change the way they work, it won't happen.
Actually that does exist on Linux - i.e. it's FREE - and there are a TON of free versions that work exactly like windows. AND, unlike OSX, it works on Intel - so you can use it for free on your windows-compatible computer.
For example, KDE:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Linux-SuSE-KDE.png)
And even better: it's skinable, so you could make it look EXACTLY like XP if you wanted.
Also you can use Open Office to replace MS Office and it's 100% compatible with all the MS Office products. Yet how many "regular" people will use either Open Office or any of the Linux OS's?
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Well, I apologize for making that assumption. Why the strong public rebuke for the PDI though, when it'll mean more opportunity for work, for a free agent like you? And aren't you nervous that your bashing now will mean you might get passed over for a lesser/equal photog later who hasn't publicly doubted Wayne?
Apology accepted :o
If people didn't have different opinions these forums would be extremely boring so at least my doubts over the PDI have made for some interesting debate and have even allowed "onlyme" to wield his linguistic magic wand and throw out insults as only a man of his intelligence is capable ::)
I've doubted the validity of the PDI because of previous history. It was tried a couple of years back and it failed.
Rather than just accept the information released as fact I chose to question it. Anything wrong in that?
The success of the PDI or any other organisation will have no effect on my workload because as I said previously, I'm scaling things down.
I spoke with Wayne recently and he thought my posts on here were helping to promote things 8)
He also advised me not to take up any lunch bets over the NY show because it would be going ahead and I'd lose. Problem is I just don't believe him ;D
So I'm leaving myself out to be hung drawn and quartered over this if I'm wrong!
I'm not against anyone getting involved in this business, and if they can make it grow to the point where the athletes - male and female - can earn substantially more that would be fantastic. I just doubt the PDI will do it.
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"Actually that does exist on Linux - i.e. it's FREE - and there are a TON of free versions that work exactly like windows. AND, unlike OSX, it works on Intel - so you can use it for free on your windows-compatible computer.
For example, KDE:"
True. But 99% of people just aren't motivated enough to do it, cause Linux hasn't given them enough of a financial incentive or made it easy/quick enough to fit into their day. Hell, I have my MS certs, comptia, etc, and I still prefer fixing an MS box over a linux or mac box, since there are more resources, smaller learning curve (I do have to teach this new person the redhat nuances0 etc, and for me, it's not worth it. Linux needs to fix that, or just keep working to solidity/grow their server presence over an overpriced server2k3.
Holy crap, monster thread derailment and nerdification!
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Actually if you think about it whether someone is slamming the dipshits who run the ifbb or the dipshits who run the pdi well they are talking about the same people regardless as the same people have been running bodybuilding forever.
that being said whather you like a person or not doesnt change the fact that its just business and if if Mr demelia can get things done better then the other guys then thats just tough titties.
Bottom lines competition is good for everyone and whether it happens today tommrorow or next 5 years this whole industry will be going thru a totoal overhaul, whether current powers that be like it or not, and that includes any old powers that be trying to get back into the game.
There is just too much of a global economy and community for that matter to assume that things will stay the same.
Interesting times ahead indeed
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The gloves come off...
1) If the PDI turns out to be the success you envision it to be, will you approach the IFBB about letting all professional athletes have the freedom to compete where they choose, or has a line been drawn in the sand that the IFBB has to cross to meet with you.
2) Shawn Ray mentioned a story about how Wayne was responsible for his suspension and since he was a Weider athlete the decision had to come from Wayne. I would really like to hear Wayne’s comments and hopefully add some clarity to this as so far we have only heard one side.
3) The PDI has eight official press releases, any comments to the people all over the internet who post the “Insider information”, most of which appears to pure conjecture and seems to breed more negative comments towards the PDI. Wayne used Kevin Horton as an example but Kevin only responded to the numerous posts and comments already brought out by the Insiders. (I bring this one up because it was these types of exact actions that turned me off of the PDI.)
4) Quote from Wayne; Well - the guy that wins the Nabba Universe does not qualify for an IFBB pro card. If that guy is English, then he has to go back into the amateur ranks, and qualify in a local show, qualify for the British Championships, win the British Championships, or win the World Championships, and so on. Would this not mean that the “cream of the crop” would be on the IFBB stages? Does Wayne have anything to say about the PDI being labeled as the minor leagues of bodybuilding?
5) Wayne commented about how he was the most prominent promoter in the history of the IFBB, now he is commenting about all the problems within the sport and how it is dying. This didn’t happen over night nor did it happen in the time since he left the IFBB, does he feel that he was held back by the Weiders / Manion from making changes or does he feel like he has to take a share of the blame for the state that bodybuilding is in today?
6) The Sports act of 1978, is it not an act based in the American judicial system only? Are there any protections (if needed) for athletes not on American soil?
7) I would love to hear Wayne’s reasoning on bringing in Jim Goad who has a history of not paying his prize commitments. It has been posted that Wayne is going to ensure that Jim Goad past commitments must be paid, any truth to this or is this an IFBB problem?
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1) Awesome questions
2) Monster mouthpiece for Manion hahahahahahahahahaha
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I like the interview.
And Avidan is doing a good job of giving an honest look into what PDI is, who Wayne DeMilia is, and what will happen.
You don't get these kinds of interviews in bodybuilding mags usually. It's usually brown nosing and BS through and through.
Good job by Ron.
YIP
Zack
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The gloves come off...
1) If the PDI turns out to be the success you envision it to be, will you approach the IFBB about letting all professional athletes have the freedom to compete where they choose, or has a line been drawn in the sand that the IFBB has to cross to meet with you. I think Wayne has already said they can. It is the IFBB who won't let the athletes compete in both.
2) Shawn Ray mentioned a story about how Wayne was responsible for his suspension and since he was a Weider athlete the decision had to come from Wayne. I would really like to hear Wayne’s comments and hopefully add some clarity to this as so far we have only heard one side. He was suspended and for failing a drug test which was implemented by Weider. Weider told Wayne to advise Shawn of the diciplinary action. Wayne was the messenger of the bad news. Of curse Shawn is going to blame Wayne. Wayne was the mouth for Weider cause Weider has never had the balls to do things like this himself. Just like the experince I had with Weider (Joe). I have talked to Wayne about this. Wayne basically told me that Shawn had failed the drug test (I think he said direutics) and thus had to be disicplined. Shawn is a known cry-baby and of course he is going to complain and make it sound like he was done wrong.
3) The PDI has eight official press releases, any comments to the people all over the internet who post the “Insider information”, most of which appears to pure conjecture and seems to breed more negative comments towards the PDI. Wayne used Kevin Horton as an example but Kevin only responded to the numerous posts and comments already brought out by the Insiders. (I bring this one up because it was these types of exact actions that turned me off of the PDI.) Wayne talks to Kevin, but I am pretty sure I talk to Wayne allot more and am told allot of things Kevin is not cause Wayne knows he can trust me and that I am supporting him. Kevin has openly bashed PDI and Wayne. Wayne is not dumb enough to tell Kevin certain things that he tells me and stays comfortable with.
4) Quote from Wayne; Well - the guy that wins the Nabba Universe does not qualify for an IFBB pro card. If that guy is English, then he has to go back into the amateur ranks, and qualify in a local show, qualify for the British Championships, win the British Championships, or win the World Championships, and so on. Would this not mean that the “cream of the crop” would be on the IFBB stages? Does Wayne have anything to say about the PDI being labeled as the minor leagues of bodybuilding? I don't know about the minor leagues. I would equate it to the AFL and NFL or the NBA and ABA. They once competed against each other then came together as one big entity. The co-exsisted for awhile then became one. I see that happening here but the PDI will conquer simply because of Waynes experience and AMI's inexperience.
5) Wayne commented about how he was the most prominent promoter in the history of the IFBB, now he is commenting about all the problems within the sport and how it is dying. This didn’t happen over night nor did it happen in the time since he left the IFBB, does he feel that he was held back by the Weiders / Manion from making changes or does he feel like he has to take a share of the blame for the state that bodybuilding is in today? I am sure he would say he takes part of the blame cause as the President he did allow it to happen. But, in the same instance he had to answer to his superiors. If not he would be out of a job and out of someothing he really enjoys. So he had to do what he had to do. Just like when a boss tell an employee to do something he may not agree with. You still do it or you are gone. Well after doing things this way for so long Wayne got feed up with it and left. He refused to keep doing things he didn't believe in. Now he is the boss and he can start doing things the way he wanted to so that BB can be fun again and exciting. He doesn't have to listen anyone but himself.
6) The Sports act of 1978, is it not an act based in the American judicial system only? Are there any protections (if needed) for athletes not on American soil? I have no idea
7) I would love to hear Wayne’s reasoning on bringing in Jim Goad who has a history of not paying his prize commitments. It has been posted that Wayne is going to ensure that Jim Goad past commitments must be paid, any truth to this or is this an IFBB problem? I have no idea about this either but i do have a guess. I think Wayne may feel a little repsonsible for what happened. I think he sees a chance to help correct what happened. He has stated that all the proceeds from the amateur show will be used to pay the people who didn't get paid from the show before. And I bet if the show is really successful that every bill will be paid if full. This will not only rectify the past debt but it will give the PDI a huge shot in the arm for being responsible and the promoter an even bigger shot. He could killed two birds with one stone.
I am not answering for Wayne at all with these answers. But I have discussed some of thse with Wayne and from my memory this is how I would have explained them.
Also, Wayne is a very open person. As I am too. I am so easily accessible as is Wayne. You can call Wayne on his phone anytime or email him. Heloves to be able to set the stories straight. An the other hand have any of you on a regualr basis tried to talked or reach Manion or Weiders. Sorry it doesn't happen. You can leave dozens of messages and never even get an answer back. Or you will talk to the secretary or assistant but never the leader. This isa red flag right away for shady dealings. People like this hide behind others cause deep down they know they are fucking with people and do not want to have to explain (or can't) their actions. That is a huge reason why I support Wayne. He is not afraid to answer questions or be up front when their is controversy. You will NOT get that from the others.
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Great interview. It was straight out. No beating about the bush, no crap or fluff. I gave me more insight as to who the PDI wants to be. The question is if they will make it. Too hard on Wayne, yes, a little, but if you weren't, then people would be calling you a kiss ass for the PDI. You can never win.
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Apology accepted :o
If people didn't have different opinions these forums would be extremely boring so at least my doubts over the PDI have made for some interesting debate and have even allowed "onlyme" to wield his linguistic magic wand and throw out insults as only a man of his intelligence is capable ::)
I've doubted the validity of the PDI because of previous history. It was tried a couple of years back and it failed.
Rather than just accept the information released as fact I chose to question it. Anything wrong in that?
The success of the PDI or any other organisation will have no effect on my workload because as I said previously, I'm scaling things down.
I spoke with Wayne recently and he thought my posts on here were helping to promote things 8)
He also advised me not to take up any lunch bets over the NY show because it would be going ahead and I'd lose. Problem is I just don't believe him ;D
So I'm leaving myself out to be hung drawn and quartered over this if I'm wrong!
I'm not against anyone getting involved in this business, and if they can make it grow to the point where the athletes - male and female - can earn substantially more that would be fantastic. I just doubt the PDI will do it.
some of ya might like to be hung, drawn and quatered
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Then let it fail. Why give it all this free press?
Twisted logic.
If no one questioned it, the threads would die quickly. Then people would accuse others of not discussing it out of fear of retribution from the powers that be. :o
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kmhphoto...I was just watching battle for the O and I saw you.
Please forgive me, but you did not look like what I expected. Somehow I had subconsciously envisioned you as an old man with mad scientist hair or something. My apologies for this, as you are quite okay looking.
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Well I gotta tell you Ron I like you allot but you are a horrible interviewer. Now on your behalf I am pretty sure some in fact most of these questions were given to you by either Chic, Manion or someone else at the IFBB. That interview is nothing different than if Manion himself gave it. Can you be anymore negative and biased. Please do not say again you are not biased. Wayne answered those questions perfectly. Given away to many answers is just plain stupid. Anyone coming out with a new product or service would tell you the same thing. And the funniest part was when you ask him how to improve the Arnold or Olympia. That right there is a giveaway someone else wrote those questions.
And you and others who keep harping on not having a website is just hilarious. First off, he is having one made. Second, it is going to be a very good website in design and functionality. Lets pretend he was dumb like you and others who think he should have a website up already. Well it's not up so should he wait till it's done to announce the PDI and everything whats going on. That is stupid. So why not use the boards and magazines to promote PDI while the site is being developed. Anyone mentioning there is no website for the PDI so it must be fake or not serious rank up there with the most ignorant. Also, instead of ragging on a site not built yet, rag on the IFBB's website which is perhaps one of the worst and defnitely the most unprofessional and ugly sites on the internet. Now that is embarrasing.
People rag on me for being so negative about the IFBB, NPC, Manion and the Weiders. I have a reason and I am very far from being alone. There are many reasons and they keep getting bigger and bigger so ragging on these is substantiated. But, ragging on the PDI is unjustified. They haven't done anything yet.
I understand you are a IFBB, NPC man and when the PDI starts making it, it will dent your exclusivity with these, but you need to realize the PDI is here and it will make a big difference in BB. All for the positive. So you might as well hang on and grab on as soon as you can.
And it was really funny you trying to find out major sponsors names. That was very funny too.
Most of you probably never heard of me...but I've been around....just on the women's side of things....and while I'm not much up on the guy's side of things I will say this. Wayne has the experience and the knowledge to pull this off. I'm a bit upset that the women have not yet been included into the mix...but I do understand his logic. He want's to get the men's side up and running first. The encouraging part is that he told me that although the women are not yet included...things do change....
That being said, I think that some of you that do know who I am will say that I've ALWAYS been on the side of the ATHLETE. I'm for any possitive and meaningful changes that will better this sport relative to the athlete's AND fans perspective...The nay sayers AND everyone else can speculate all they want...and in truth...we WILL have to just wait and see....but I don't think anyone should simply dismiss the PDI as a non entity....or the athletes that they've currently signed....and NEVER....NEVER underestimate anyone with vision and passion as their drivers...
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Apology accepted :o
If people didn't have different opinions these forums would be extremely boring so at least my doubts over the PDI have made for some interesting debate and have even allowed "onlyme" to wield his linguistic magic wand and throw out insults as only a man of his intelligence is capable ::)
I've doubted the validity of the PDI because of previous history. It was tried a couple of years back and it failed.
Rather than just accept the information released as fact I chose to question it. Anything wrong in that?
The success of the PDI or any other organisation will have no effect on my workload because as I said previously, I'm scaling things down.
I spoke with Wayne recently and he thought my posts on here were helping to promote things 8)
He also advised me not to take up any lunch bets over the NY show because it would be going ahead and I'd lose. Problem is I just don't believe him ;D
So I'm leaving myself out to be hung drawn and quartered over this if I'm wrong!
I'm not against anyone getting involved in this business, and if they can make it grow to the point where the athletes - male and female - can earn substantially more that would be fantastic. I just doubt the PDI will do it.
Kevin...in all honesty...was it really tried a few yrs back?...are you talking about the McMahon debacle? (WWF/WBF) I'll give you this...McMahon has the deep pockets....BUT DeMilia has the experience and the track record. Given the choice...I'd take the latter...also....did you get a chance to bitch at anyone about the lighting at the Arnold?...lol....I mean I guess you could have just leaned forward and tapped M or W on the shoulder and bitched...but it would have probably fallen on deaf ears...lol...cheers dude:}
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The gloves come off...
1) If the PDI turns out to be the success you envision it to be, will you approach the IFBB about letting all professional athletes have the freedom to compete where they choose, or has a line been drawn in the sand that the IFBB has to cross to meet with you.
2) Shawn Ray mentioned a story about how Wayne was responsible for his suspension and since he was a Weider athlete the decision had to come from Wayne. I would really like to hear Wayne’s comments and hopefully add some clarity to this as so far we have only heard one side.
3) The PDI has eight official press releases, any comments to the people all over the internet who post the “Insider information”, most of which appears to pure conjecture and seems to breed more negative comments towards the PDI. Wayne used Kevin Horton as an example but Kevin only responded to the numerous posts and comments already brought out by the Insiders. (I bring this one up because it was these types of exact actions that turned me off of the PDI.)
4) Quote from Wayne; Well - the guy that wins the Nabba Universe does not qualify for an IFBB pro card. If that guy is English, then he has to go back into the amateur ranks, and qualify in a local show, qualify for the British Championships, win the British Championships, or win the World Championships, and so on. Would this not mean that the “cream of the crop” would be on the IFBB stages? Does Wayne have anything to say about the PDI being labeled as the minor leagues of bodybuilding?
5) Wayne commented about how he was the most prominent promoter in the history of the IFBB, now he is commenting about all the problems within the sport and how it is dying. This didn’t happen over night nor did it happen in the time since he left the IFBB, does he feel that he was held back by the Weiders / Manion from making changes or does he feel like he has to take a share of the blame for the state that bodybuilding is in today?
6) The Sports act of 1978, is it not an act based in the American judicial system only? Are there any protections (if needed) for athletes not on American soil?
7) I would love to hear Wayne’s reasoning on bringing in Jim Goad who has a history of not paying his prize commitments. It has been posted that Wayne is going to ensure that Jim Goad past commitments must be paid, any truth to this or is this an IFBB problem?
The sports act of 1978 it isn't...However......
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE
SOUTHERN DIVISION
THE AMATUER ATHLETIC UNION
OF THE UNITED STATE, INC.,
JAMES LOWE, LEE BURNS AND
JERRY BURNS,
PLAINTIFFS
VS.
THE NATIONAL PHYSIQUE
COMMITEE OF THE U.S.A.,
INC., THE SOUTHESATERN
ASSOCIATION OF THE NATIONAL
PYSIQUES COMMITTEE FO THE
U.S.A., INC., THE SOUTHEASTERN
PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE, THE
TENNESSEE BOARD OF ADVISORS
OF THE SOUTHEASTERN PHYSIQUE
COMMITTEE, MIKE KIZER AND JAMES MANION
DEFENDANTS
CIVIL ACTION NO. 1-82-83
STIPUATION AND ORDER
IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED by and between the undersigned attorneys for the parties that,
WHEREAS, the plaintiffs have commenced this action against the defendants charging the defendants with violations of various federal anti-trust statues, and
WHEREAS, the defendants have counter-claimed against the plaintiffs charging the plaintiffs with violations of various anti-trust statues and seeking relief on other grounds, and
WHEREAS, the Court entered and signed its order and preliminary injunction of June 3, 1982,
NOW, THEREFORE, it is agree as follows:
1. The defendants, including the National Physique Committee of the U.S.A., Inc., The Southeastern Association of the National Physique Committee of the U.S.A, Inc., The Southeastern Physique Committee, the Tennessee Board of Advisors of the Southeastern Physique Committee, Mike Kizer and James Manion agree to continue their state policy of not imposing any sanctions upon or otherwise penalizing or punishing or threatening to impose any sanctions upon (or otherwise penalizing or interfering in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest sanctioned by the Amateur Athletic Union of the United States, Inc., ("The AAU"),) whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, a sponsor, or otherwise and will not condone, ratify, facilitate or permit such actions by any member or affiliate of the NPC for so long as the defendants (other than the NPC) remain as members or affiliates of the NPC. The defendants will take all steps reasonably necessary to remedy any violation of their stated policy as set forth above, which violation comes to their attention.
2. Defendants further agree to email a copy of this stipulation and order to the NPC's Board of Governors and an officer of the NPC shall certify that such mailing has been accomplished within (30) days of this stipulation and order.
3. The AAU agrees to maintain its stated policy of not enforcing Section 454.10(a) of its 1982 Official code.
4. All claims for relief contained in the complaint and answer and counter-claim are withdrawn with prejudice and without cost to any party against another.
5. The preliminary injunction previously entered and signed on June 3, 1982, is hereby dissolved and the bond posted by the plaintiffs in connection with that order and the preliminary injunction is hereby exonerated.
6. This stipulation shall not be deemed an adjudication of liability against or an admission of liability by any party.
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The sports act of 1978 it isn't...However......
Okay 1982 sports act, hey I was only two years old then. I had garner my information from the old ones. I think they even had to write stuff down on paper to record it back then. ;)
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Okay 1982 sports act, hey I was only two years old then. I had garner my information from the old ones. I think they even had to write stuff down on paper to record it back then. ;)
no...no...I didn't mean that...there may in fact be one from 1978....I just meant that what I posted wasn't, but I felt it relevant anyway:}
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Okay 1982 sports act, hey I was only two years old then. I had garner my information from the old ones. I think they even had to write stuff down on paper to record it back then. ;)
Actually, it was typewriter and microfisch back then...oh yeah and mimiograph (sp?)...lol
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Well I gotta tell you Ron I like you allot but you are a horrible interviewer. Now on your behalf I am pretty sure some in fact most of these questions were given to you by either Chic, Manion or someone else at the IFBB. That interview is nothing different than if Manion himself gave it. Can you be anymore negative and biased. Please do not say again you are not biased. Wayne answered those questions perfectly. Given away to many answers is just plain stupid. Anyone coming out with a new product or service would tell you the same thing. And the funniest part was when you ask him how to improve the Arnold or Olympia. That right there is a giveaway someone else wrote those questions.
And you and others who keep harping on not having a website is just hilarious. First off, he is having one made. Second, it is going to be a very good website in design and functionality. Lets pretend he was dumb like you and others who think he should have a website up already. Well it's not up so should he wait till it's done to announce the PDI and everything whats going on. That is stupid. So why not use the boards and magazines to promote PDI while the site is being developed. Anyone mentioning there is no website for the PDI so it must be fake or not serious rank up there with the most ignorant. Also, instead of ragging on a site not built yet, rag on the IFBB's website which is perhaps one of the worst and defnitely the most unprofessional and ugly sites on the internet. Now that is embarrasing.
People rag on me for being so negative about the IFBB, NPC, Manion and the Weiders. I have a reason and I am very far from being alone. There are many reasons and they keep getting bigger and bigger so ragging on these is substantiated. But, ragging on the PDI is unjustified. They haven't done anything yet.
I understand you are a IFBB, NPC man and when the PDI starts making it, it will dent your exclusivity with these, but you need to realize the PDI is here and it will make a big difference in BB. All for the positive. So you might as well hang on and grab on as soon as you can.
And it was really funny you trying to find out major sponsors names. That was very funny too.
^When I said Ron "cracks nuts", I was being facetious.
He's pretty gentle with people.
I think his wife makes him promise to be "nice" or something...
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yes, but if there was an option that read 'Click here for XP visual format'- to match what we've all had 20 years of training in, and it cost less, people would buy it.
what do you mean 20 years? Windows 3 was different than DOS, NT was different than W-3, 2000 was slightly different, XP is slightly different, and Vista is suppose to be very different.
btw, Mac OS X 10.5 is rumored to have the Windows API built in, so application developer can just recompile their code, rather than rewriting it.
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Kevin...in all honesty...was it really tried a few yrs back?...are you talking about the McMahon debacle? (WWF/WBF) I'll give you this...McMahon has the deep pockets....BUT DeMilia has the experience and the track record. Given the choice...I'd take the latter...also....did you get a chance to bitch at anyone about the lighting at the Arnold?...lol....I mean I guess you could have just leaned forward and tapped M or W on the shoulder and bitched...but it would have probably fallen on deaf ears...lol...cheers dude:}
It was the 2004 Night of the Champions. Wayne had "left" the IFBB and was making noises then about his new organisation. At the show all his people wore this
http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/misc/prodivshirt.htm.
Wayne thought he would be able to take over from the IFBB. Shortly after the NOC he turned up at the Hungarian show looking for support from the European officials and expecting that show to be a PDI event. A meeting was called and he was told that they would not be backing him. So at that time, Wayne was at the height of his involvement with the sport but was unable to find the support required to continue and that was the end of the PDI.
When it was announced that it was returning I asked, What has changed? Where is the support now?
As for the lighting at shows - I'm always bitching about it!
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what do you mean 20 years? Windows 3 was different than DOS, NT was different than W-3, 2000 was slightly different, XP is slightly different, and Vista is suppose to be very different.
Well, it feel slike 20 :) But since Win95 came out, the user funcionals have remained very consistent. That's 10+ years of familiarity that any competitor bringing a new style would have to overcome.
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Stop geeking up the thread. God you would think this is the internet or something.
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The mentioning of the yahoo email is once again priceless. It just screams unprofessional.
I have to dis-agree with you Lucius.
You need to understand that bodybuilding contests are NOT like the NFL, NBA, MLB.
The sport simply does NOT generate enough $$ to have staffs of people working on the events.. Therefore, you end up many times speaking directly to the promoter's of the show. You get their cell phones, or their e-mails..
I have spoken to Wayne Demilia Personally many times-simply because I was a VIP ticket purchaser for the Olympia for 4 years. The guy is real & down to earth, and he WORKS his ass off to personally promote the shows.
Just like circa 1980 when I called the phone number advertised for the Mr. Olympia contest in the Muscle Magazine, and lo & behold-Jim Lorimer answered, and was very patient with me, and answered all my questions. TRUE- at the time, I was a little suprised that Lorimer himself answered, but I have come to understand that's the nature of the beast.
The Actual Promoter has to get down & dirty & get things done. Is this a little strange ? Compared to the NFL it may be... But it is certainly not un-professional.
There aren't layers & layers of secretaries & administraive people just sitting around, waiting to answer the phone. That is really the beauty of the whole thing !!
You end up dealing DIRECTLY with the promoter.
In my many dealings with Wayne Demilia, he was ALWAYS gracious, accessible, fair & warm. His word was Gold. It was nice actually buying my tickets from Demilia himself. He is one of the most honest & straitforward people I have ever met in my life.
RON was off base referring to Wayne as "COLD".. I doubt he ever actually dealt with Wayne directly. In fact, I am SURE he didn't know Wayne that well when Wayne was promoting the shows. I may be wrong, I would like to know If Ron actually dealt with Wayne going back 5-12 years ago, or if Ron had merely "heard" that from other people.
Wayne ran a tight ship, he had the balls to fine the athletes when they earned a fine. I remember Wayne fining Dorian $5,000 for not showing up at the post Olympia banquet one year.
BB would be a much better sport if Wayne was running some shows again..
-John McIntosh
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RON was off base referring to Wayne as "COLD".. I doubt he ever actually dealt with Wayne directly.
Ronald speaks from the heart.
If says Wayne is cold, that speaks volumes of Wayne's coldness.
The nugga is cold.
What else do you want?
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MS has won because of a superior marketing strategy, but this took place in an era before informaiton was so freely available. If a new Operating System came out today that was better, faster, more reliable, and cheaper than Windows (and compatable with Office) it would receive major media coverage (well, on FOXnews at least), and firms would purchase it to gain a competitive advantage over their competitors.
Likewise, supp companies will see Wayne's PDI as a chance to have their product/brand associated with something NEW. There is nothing new about another Ronnie-Cutler-Gustavo finish at the O. There is nothing new about a Bob Chick masters pro win with with straight 1s in every category. But there is a series of firsts coming for the PDI!
i AGREE that first in the mindset is often the cause for success, but only because newer firms fail to carve their own niche- they prefer to try to BEAT an established #1- which doesn't work. Apple found NEW success in the last 5 years- how? By niching themselves into the IPOD/Mac lover arena- and ending competing with MS, which they just cannot do, as econ of scale have MS killing them in production efficiency. But Apple has great success now with IPOD and personal media products. Likewise, Wayne is not trying to be the next IFBB. He's trying to be the FIRST PDI- a BBing organization focused upon aesthetics and entertaining shows- which the IFBB is definitely not.
Excellent point 240 !!
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I have to dis-agree with you Lucius.
You need to understand that bodybuilding contests are NOT like the NFL, NBA, MLB.
The sport simply does NOT generate enough $$ to have staffs of people working on the events.. Therefore, you end up many times speaking directly to the promoter's of the show. You get their cell phones, or their e-mails..
I have spoken to Wayne Demilia Personally many times-simply because I was a VIP ticket purchaser for the Olympia for 4 years. The guy is real & down to earth, and he WORKS his ass off to personally promote the shows.
Just like circa 1980 when I called the phone number advertised for the Mr. Olympia contest in the Muscle Magazine, and lo & behold-Jim Lorimer answered, and was very patient with me, and answered all my questions. TRUE- at the time, I was a little suprised that Lorimer himself answered, but I have come to understand that's the nature of the beast.
The Actual Promoter has to get down & dirty & get things done. Is this a little strange ? Compared to the NFL it may be... But it is certainly not un-professional.
There aren't layers & layers of secretaries & administraive people just sitting around, waiting to answer the phone. That is really the beauty of the whole thing !!
You end up dealing DIRECTLY with the promoter.
In my many dealings with Wayne Demilia, he was ALWAYS gracious, accessible, fair & warm. His word was Gold. It was nice actually buying my tickets from Demilia himself. He is one of the most honest & straitforward people I have ever met in my life.
RON was off base referring to Wayne as "COLD".. I doubt he ever actually dealt with Wayne directly. In fact, I am SURE he didn't know Wayne that well when Wayne was promoting the shows. I may be wrong, I would like to know If Ron actually dealt with Wayne going back 5-12 years ago, or if Ron had merely "heard" that from other people.
Wayne ran a tight ship, he had the balls to fine the athletes when they earned a fine. I remember Wayne fining Dorian $5,000 for not showing up at the post Olympia banquet one year.
BB would be a much better sport if Wayne was running some shows again..
-John McIntosh
I'm sure Wayne is quite professional. I was saying that the yahoo email account gives the appearance of being unprofessional. Kind of like a law firm that was advertising on television and had a hotmail account ::)
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what do you mean 20 years? Windows 3 was different than DOS, NT was different than W-3, 2000 was slightly different, XP is slightly different, and Vista is suppose to be very different.
btw, Mac OS X 10.5 is rumored to have the Windows API built in, so application developer can just recompile their code, rather than rewriting it.
I did the 2nd Apple Computer commercial they ever did. It was aweesome. It first aired during the 1987 World Series. Some of the best sound and cinematography of any commercial.
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I ask what I want to ask, and if they reply, that is fine with me. While I stay out of personal questions, not too much, if I get the permission to ask some questions, you just watch me go. Now, I don't work nor get paid from the NPC, IFBB, PDI or any organization at all. So I can ask what I want to ask.
If I had the time, I would do more stuff - soon, though...
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If I had the time, I would do more stuff - soon, though...
You should appoint an assistant to do all the legwork for you. Web pages cleanup, typing and cleaning up text... i know just the guy :)
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Now, I don't work nor get paid from the NPC, IFBB, PDI or any organization at all. So I can ask what I want to ask.
If I had the time, I would do more stuff - soon, though...
Jeez Ron, you sound like the IFBB, NPC and Getbig Rep.
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Jeez Ron, you sound like the IFBB, NPC and Getbig Rep.
Ron has connections.
More than Bob Chick most likely.
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It was the 2004 Night of the Champions. Wayne had "left" the IFBB and was making noises then about his new organisation. At the show all his people wore this
http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/misc/prodivshirt.htm.
Wayne thought he would be able to take over from the IFBB. Shortly after the NOC he turned up at the Hungarian show looking for support from the European officials and expecting that show to be a PDI event. A meeting was called and he was told that they would not be backing him. So at that time, Wayne was at the height of his involvement with the sport but was unable to find the support required to continue and that was the end of the PDI.
When it was announced that it was returning I asked, What has changed? Where is the support now?
As for the lighting at shows - I'm always bitching about it!
Somewheere on here is the transcript from the IFBB atheltes meeting of that with the IFBB Officials. If you notice all the titles of nearly everyone was IFBB Pro Division (title). Those shirts had nothing to do with Pro Division Inc. or it would have Pro Division Inc. God you guys are really strecthing your shit now.
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Somewheere on here is the transcript from the IFBB atheltes meeting of that with the IFBB Officials. If you notice all the titles of nearly everyone was IFBB Pro Division (title). Those shirts had nothing to do with Pro Division Inc. or it would have Pro Division Inc. God you guys are really strecthing your shit now.
Are you saying that Wayne did not try to lainch his Pro Division at the 2004 NOC. What about the meeting in Hungary, did that not happen either?
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I'm sure Wayne is quite professional. I was saying that the yahoo email account gives the appearance of being unprofessional.
I agree. There is no way to verify a yahoo, hotmail, gmail, etc., address is the person they say they are. With a domain name, there is a registered owner. Domain names are under $15 per year. Hosting can be gotten for under $100 a year. (such as with me! php, mysql, tomcat, unlimited email addresses, subdomains.)
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Are you saying that Wayne did not try to lainch his Pro Division at the 2004 NOC. What about the meeting in Hungary, did that not happen either?
I have no idea about the Hungary thing that is why I didn't mention anything about it. That is the difference between you and me. I generally won't say anything about something unless I know about it. Post up the transcipt I am talking about and look at the roll call. Everyone has Pro Division in front of their name and title. Gotta quit reaching Kev. You are fighting a losing battle.
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Are you saying that Wayne did not try to lainch his Pro Division at the 2004 NOC. What about the meeting in Hungary, did that not happen either?
I don't know what happened in Hungary, but what I do know is that Mr. Pecker (I believe he's your guy, not sure) had contacted Wayne and at least one other top IFBB promoter and asked, 'Why are we paying the Weiders all this money just for sanctioning fees each year? What do we need them for?' or words to that effect.
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I have no idea about the Hungary thing that is why I didn't mention anything about it. That is the difference between you and me. I generally won't say anything about something unless I know about it. Post up the transcipt I am talking about and look at the roll call. Everyone has Pro Division in front of their name and title. Gotta quit reaching Kev. You are fighting a losing battle. At sometime you are going to have to roll over and die. Just try to make it sooner than later.
You also have no idea about the NOC either, but why should you, you wasn't there?
Well I was - and in Hungary - and Wayne made it quite clear to me that he was attempting to start a new organisation. When I talked with him on the phone recently I asked him why he wanted to do this all over again considering it failed 2 years ago, he said "The time is right" etc. etc. Why didn't he say "Oh no, I've never tried this before"?
I can't find the transcript you mention, do you have a link?
I think you should seek medical help because in the words of a famous bodybuilder "you have mentally problems". To wish an early death on someone just because they have a different opinion indicates a serious lack of self confidence.
Carry on in this way and I'll break my promise and photograph you from the chest down.
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I don't know what happened in Hungary, but what I do know is that Mr. Pecker (I believe he's your guy, not sure) had contacted Wayne and at least one other top IFBB promoter and asked, 'Why are we paying the Weiders all this money just for sanctioning fees each year? What do we need them for?' or words to that effect.
Wayne told me the exact same thing. I have no idea if there is any truth behind it.
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I agree. There is no way to verify a yahoo, hotmail, gmail, etc., address is the person they say they are. With a domain name, there is a registered owner. Domain names are under $15 per year. Hosting can be gotten for under $100 a year. (such as with me! php, mysql, tomcat, unlimited email addresses, subdomains.)
That's not expensive at all. I don't know why someone wouldn't spring for that :-\
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Those shirts had nothing to do with Pro Division Inc. or it would have Pro Division Inc.
Maybe he didn't have enough money to pay the T=Shirt printer for the .Inc part, but looks like the printer did get paid to add it to the paperwork!
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That letter again supports what I said. The Pro Division at that time was part of the IFBB it was not a separate entity. He later decided to go separate from the IFBB since he owned the name Pro Division. They did not want to doit his way so he went off on his own. Even the email at the bottom says IFBBPD@yahoo.com
And about the email. Yahoo, Hotmail, even AOL has been around a long time. I had a Yahoo account since around 1993 or so. It is simple to setup and very reliable. It is very easy to retreive your email. Even the great Pro BB and IFBB atheletes rep has an AOL account. Like as been stated the PDI website is being built and takes times. Why would Wayne wait to have a contact email when his site isn't ready. At least the PDI website will be a place that welcomes and is built for the competitors. They will all have their own email address through the prodivisioninc.com website a forum just for the athletes and then for the public. If you have ever seen the IFBB website then I am sure you would not ridicule the lack of one for the PDI yet. The IFBB website is nothing short of embarssing.
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That letter again supports what I said. The Pro Division at that time was part of the IFBB it was not a separate entity. He later decided to go separate from the IFBB since he owned the name Pro Division. They did not want to doit his way so he went off on his own. Even the email at the bottom says IFBBPD@yahoo.com
WRONG!!!!!!
The information provided at the bottom of the letter shows Pro Division INC and was nothing to do with the IFBB Pro Division.
The 2004 NOC was held on the 22nd May - Wayne was not a part of the IFBB at that time as he'd been fired!
http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/2004news/announcement2.htm
So when he turned up in Hungary 2 weeks after the NOC, he was not there as an official of the IFBB, he was hoping to gain support for his PDI. He didn't get it.
So despite your denials, the PDI is not new. We've been there before and got the T-Shirt!
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That letter again supports what I said. The Pro Division at that time was part of the IFBB it was not a separate entity.
No, "Pro Division, Inc." - despite listing 'former' (at the time) IFBB shows, promoters, judges, etc. as being involved with it was NOT part of the IFBB.
What Kevin is saying here about that is entirely accurate. The fact is that a lot of information about what was going on at that time was never made public.
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with some of these guys onlyme if you aint in debt with huge overhead you aint arrived
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LOL @ got the t-shirt!
Yep, the first incarnation of Pro Division, Inc had their own t-shirts and they even had spiffy polo shirts for the judges.
There was a very strange aura in the venue that weekend and lots of questions were left unanswered. Wayne definitely was not a standing member of the IFBB at that point, but it was agreed by all parties involved that the Night of Champions would still take place AND that the top placers would be eligible for the IFBB Olympia.
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I generally won't say anything about something unless I know about it.
Must be very quiet in your house.
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In my many dealings with Wayne Demilia, he was ALWAYS gracious, accessible, fair & warm. His word was Gold. It was nice actually buying my tickets from Demilia himself. He is one of the most honest & straitforward people I have ever met in my life.
I have to agree with this. I've purchased many VIP tickets from Wayne over the years and he was easy to deal with, fair, and accessible. He was always available for questioning at the Olympia press conferences and again at the Sunday morning seminars. Where is the Olympia promoter nowadays? No one in the IFBB/AMI has the integrity to present themselves. They're afraid to take any criticism. It's easy to hide away and not be seen as cold, but I'd rather deal with a no nonsense promoter who is accessible and willing to stand behind his show.
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Kevin I now know why all the hostility towards Wayne you have. I am sorry.
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Kevin I now know why all the hostility towards Wayne you have. I am sorry.
I don't have any hostility to Wayne. I'm just pointing out some discrepencies to things that are being said on his behalf.
The only hostile one here is you. You can hardly post without spitting out your hate towards the IFBB, Jim Manion, Weider etc. etc.
I love your new T-Shirt. That just about sums up the old PDI. You know, the one you said didn't exist!
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Well - you know what; people just keep saying that the PDI is doomed for failure?
he comes over so childish, I don't think an Interviewe should be biast at all, after all he is doing the Interview on our behalf the readers.
And in any case, what answer did he thought De'Millia would give him? Yes Ron the PDI is doomed from the start, I just don't know what do do with my money? geeeee. ::)
But again, there is no validity of the Pro Division?
He askes that question at least 2 times what is pretty pathatic
Well, sponsors, magazine support ---
Same here has been asked before... ::)
I don't really care about the IFBB or the PDI one way or the other, I'm a moderate fan of bodybuilding who is working out for quit a while now but just a year ago got interested in the Pro Bodybuilding thingy.
That said I'm not biast at all, but Ron sonds like a real dickhead in the interview.
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he comes over so childish, I don't think an Interviewe should be biast at all, after all he is doing the Interview on our behalf the readers.
And in any case, what answer did he thought De'Millia would give him? Yes Ron the PDI is doomed from the start, I just don't know what do do with my money? geeeee. ::)
He askes that question at least 2 times what is pretty pathatic
Same here has been asked before... ::)
I don't really care about the IFBB or the PDI one way or the other, I'm a moderate fan of bodybuilding who is working out for quit a while now but just a year ago got interested in the Pro Bodybuilding thingy.
That said I'm not biast at all, but Ron sonds like a real dickhead in the interview.
Hi, Wayne! ;D
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Hi, Wayne! ;D
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I don't have any hostility to Wayne. I'm just pointing out some discrepencies to things that are being said on his behalf.
The only hostile one here is you. You can hardly post without spitting out your hate towards the IFBB, Jim Manion, Weider etc. etc.
I love your new T-Shirt. That just about sums up the old PDI. You know, the one you said didn't exist!
Hostile, I just put down my personal hands-on experince with all of them. And it seems that I am far from being alone in my feelings. I don't think my hostility towards any of these in unwarranted. The problem is that you will not let go of the past. Even when you can see Wayne was only a small part of it. Now Wayne is trying to make things better yet all you do is constantly say it won't work. Everythign is in timing and Wayne obviously didn't thnk the timing was rigth back then. Well it is now after the IFBB, AMI and Manion have fucked up every Olympia since Wayne left. Itis perfect timing now.
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Hostile, I just put down my personal hands-on experince with all of them. And it seems that I am far from being alone in my feelings. I don't think my hostility towards any of these in unwarranted. The problem is that you will not let go of the past. Even when you can see Wayne was only a small part of it. Now Wayne is trying to make things better yet all you do is constantly say it won't work. Everythign is in timing and Wayne obviously didn't thnk the timing was rigth back then. Well it is now after the IFBB, AMI and Manion have fucked up every Olympia since Wayne left. Itis perfect timing now.
Do you now concede that your were wrong about Wayne lainching the PDI in 2004?
Isn't it you who will not let go of the past in your constant attacks on people?
What's this about Wayne not thinking the timing was right back then? He tried and failed. He didn't walk away, he was told to go and got no support from anyone for his PDI. The decision was made for him!
That's why I've asked what has changed, where has the support come from?
What didn't you like about the Olympia? Were you there?
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"Ron's tough interview with Wayne DeMelia" -- give me a break!!
How about "Ron's hostile peevish interview with Wayne DeMelia"
The tone of his questions was not fact-finding (like a journalist) ... he was simply badgering the witness (Wayne).
Wayne DeMelia is starting a new bodybuilding league. He is a smart businessman. That's the news.
Why the hostility? What is Ron from Get Big so afraid of? Ask the questions, get the answers and we'll see what happens.
Why is everyone so bugged out about the PDI ??
Ron , your interview was biased and unprofessional. You kept telling Wayne to "go away" , essentially.
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WRONG!!!!!!
The information provided at the bottom of the letter shows Pro Division INC and was nothing to do with the IFBB Pro Division.
The 2004 NOC was held on the 22nd May - Wayne was not a part of the IFBB at that time as he'd been fired!
http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/2004news/announcement2.htm
So when he turned up in Hungary 2 weeks after the NOC, he was not there as an official of the IFBB, he was hoping to gain support for his PDI. He didn't get it.
So despite your denials, the PDI is not new. We've been there before and got the T-Shirt!
No disrespect...and as I clearly have no clue what the time line actually was...as point of fact however...the letter posted here clearly has the email address as ifbbpd@yahoo.com at the bottom....that would lead most to believe either the break had not yet transpired...or someone has the timeline a little off....
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Do you now concede that your were wrong about Wayne lainching the PDI in 2004?
Isn't it you who will not let go of the past in your constant attacks on people?
What's this about Wayne not thinking the timing was right back then? He tried and failed. He didn't walk away, he was told to go and got no support from anyone for his PDI. The decision was made for him!
That's why I've asked what has changed, where has the support come from?
What didn't you like about the Olympia? Were you there?
Kev, why do you care what Kieth thinks? Obviously Ben and/or Joe raped his dog and he can't forgive him for that. Face it, Keith is very passionate in his beliefs and let him have that. You two (and Keith and I) will never agree, so who cares. Bottom line the Whether the PDI succeeds or fails iy WILL help the athletes even if they don't manage to get one show off the ground. The IFBB is listening now, and maybe that is Keith's entire point. Amazing perspectives can be gathered on a 3 day (and ongoing) drunk.
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I hope Ron wouldn't ever talk to Bob like that :-\
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How about "Ron's hostile peevish interview with Wayne DeMelia" The tone of his questions was not fact-finding (like a journalist) ... he was simply badgering the witness (Wayne). Wayne DeMelia is starting a new bodybuilding league. He is a smart businessman. That's the news. Why the hostility? What is Ron from Get Big so afraid of? Ask the questions, get the answers and we'll see what happens. Why is everyone so bugged out about the PDI ?? Ron , your interview was biased and unprofessional. You kept telling Wayne to "go away" , essentially.
What did you think that was - a documentary. Fact finding? What I am afraid off? Nothing. Me hostile? Are you off based or what? Bugged out about the PDI? No. My interview with Wayne was exactly what I wanted to ask - the questions were tough, and what people have been saying. I wanted answers. Like everyone else did. Wayne is going to do what Wayne wants to do - I have no authority to tell Wayne to go away. But since he told me to ask any question I wanted - I certainly did.
Now, again, if you have any other 'powder baked sugar cookies' questions to ask him, feel free to put them here. Or give me some other good questions that i didnt ask already. When I am done with some of the projects I have, I will see if I can ask him any questions you want.
But, go ahead, complain that it was biased, but offer no questions that I should ask...
I hope Ron wouldn't ever talk to Bob like that
Oh yes, if Bob or anyone else started an organization, I would ask the same questions if I didnt get the answers I wanted. And Bob and I disagree on a number of things, but it is called discussion.
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Do you now concede that your were wrong about Wayne lainching the PDI in 2004?
Isn't it you who will not let go of the past in your constant attacks on people?
What's this about Wayne not thinking the timing was right back then? He tried and failed. He didn't walk away, he was told to go and got no support from anyone for his PDI. The decision was made for him!
That's why I've asked what has changed, where has the support come from?
What didn't you like about the Olympia? Were you there?
What I find funny is that Horton seems to only post in two situations:
1) "Here are the photos from the ___________ Show"
2) In any thread that he has the opportunity to bash PDI.
He so rarely posts in other threads, it's easy to notice the trend/agenda... They start way back with a camera bet with Insider Z that never took place...
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I'd rather save that energy for any future dealings with 240. At least he's intelligent.
Proof that Horton is nutz.
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No disrespect...and as I clearly have no clue what the time line actually was...as point of fact however...the letter posted here clearly has the email address as ifbbpd@yahoo.com at the bottom....that would lead most to believe either the break had not yet transpired...or someone has the timeline a little off....
Wayne had been using that e-mail address for quite some time so he obviously wanted to continue using it. The letter does have Pro Division INC, clearly diplayed at the top and bottom but "Onlyme" insisted that this was part of the IFBB and kept bleating on about a transcript which proved his point.
"I have no idea about the Hungary thing that is why I didn't mention anything about it. That is the difference between you and me. I generally won't say anything about something unless I know about it. Post up the transcipt I am talking about and look at the roll call. Everyone has Pro Division in front of their name and title. "
Case closed.
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He so rarely posts in other threads, it's easy to notice the trend/agenda... They start way back with a camera bet with Insider Z that never took place...
Trend, yes
Agenda, No.
I post - not bash - about the PDI because it interests me, just as you post on everything else.
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Kev, why do you care what Kieth thinks? Obviously Ben and/or Joe raped his dog and he can't forgive him for that. Face it, Keith is very passionate in his beliefs and let him have that. You two (and Keith and I) will never agree, so who cares. Bottom line the Whether the PDI succeeds or fails iy WILL help the athletes even if they don't manage to get one show off the ground. The IFBB is listening now, and maybe that is Keith's entire point. Amazing perspectives can be gathered on a 3 day (and ongoing) drunk.
I'm past caring about what Keith thinks becaiuse he's the most outrageous bigot I've ever heard.
I can respect a different opinion as to the survivability of the PDI but when I voiced mine, Keith's response was to wish me an early death!
Enjoy the Drunking :o