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dead from jab? drugs?
found dead in hotel room ala bob faget??
not a foo-fan so I'm not sure what he was into.
https://www.tmz.com/2022/03/25/taylor-hawkins-dead-dies-foo-fighters-drummer/
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Was he saved?
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My guess would be drugs. Dude was young-ish.
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Really hate their songs except everlong
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He had a long history of drug abuse, including a heroine overdose more than ten years ago?
So quite fitting that he passed away in Colombia :)
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He had a long history of drug abuse, including a heroine overdose more than ten years ago?
So quite fitting that he passed away in Colombia :)
good points ::)
yeah, their music does "zero" for me. not a fan.
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Rip.
The band was playing a show in Colombia. Which is where he reportedly died.
Foo fighters were a good band.
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RIP
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I didn`t know much about their music.
RIP
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"Where are the bodies??"
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I didn`t know much about their music.
RIP
I know he was a good old Ft Worth boy
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Dave Grohl curse
When Grohl is drummer, lead singer dies(Cobain)
When Grohl is lead singer, drummer dies.
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My guess would be drugs. Dude was young-ish.
I bet fentanyl will be it.Seems it’s killing a lot of people
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He had a long history of drug abuse, including a heroin overdose more than ten years ago?
Why you asking us?
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He is a standout in this vid. (No Homo)
RIP
Alanis Morissette RARE - Not the doctor ( Jagged Little Pill Live Tour )
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Drugs are Bad
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Once you hit middle age, you have to clean up your act.
Taylor Hawkins death may be tied to drugs: police
https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/taylor-hawkins-death-may-be-tied-to-drugs-police/
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Once you hit middle age, you have to clean up your act.
Taylor Hawkins death may be tied to drugs: police
https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/taylor-hawkins-death-may-be-tied-to-drugs-police/
Most of his friends died in their 20's.
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I bet fentanyl will be it.Seems it’s killing a lot of people
Bingo
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A musician dies of drug use? No way- it can't be true.
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RIP
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R.I.P.
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I spoke to someone today who unexpectedly told me that the drummer was a blood sacrifice. I’m not kidding.
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He is a standout in this vid. (No Homo)
RIP
Alanis Morissette RARE - Not the doctor ( Jagged Little Pill Live Tour )
what a bunch of crap, moriset is a fine skinny bitch
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Dude wasn't fucking around
https://www.yahoo.com/news/taylor-hawkins-had-10-substances-223243646.html
Among the drugs found by a urine toxicological test performed by officials were marijuana, opioids, tricyclic antidepressants and benzodiazepines
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Dude wasn't fucking around
https://www.yahoo.com/news/taylor-hawkins-had-10-substances-223243646.html
Among the drugs found by a urine toxicological test performed by officials were marijuana, opioids, tricyclic antidepressants and benzodiazepines
Yikes
What a way to go
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Bingo
except they reported a guy with 'pain in his chest'... that doesnt' happen with fentanyl. and he's in colombia. why would they have fetty in the coke?
there's access to real, actual heroin there.. and dirt cheap cocaine.
he's 50, and had a history of substance abuse.. had an empty beer can, open vodka (not whiskey, tequila... vodka, the drinkers drink of choice), some mushrooms, and some powder... he likely did a few bumps and it was just too much. it happens after 20-30yrs of doing it.
i say bravo. dude lived a good life. coke overdose/heart attack is a bad way to go, super unpleasant, i know too well, but nonetheless, id assume he just blacked out after the panic and felt no actual 'pain', but the terror in such a thing is bad enough. even if you live through it.
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i love the foo fighters
it's unbelievable how these rock stars ruin their perfect life, there is no better career than being a famous musician
they don't even have to write new music, they can just tour all over the world and live off of their past hits, rake in the dough, and mess around with never ending groupies and they can do it until they are geriatric unlike pro athletes or movie stars
a perfect life only to literally inject poison into it :(
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i love the foo fighters
it's unbelievable how these rock stars ruin their perfect life, there is no better career than being a famous musician
they don't even have to write new music, they can just tour all over the world and live off of their past hits, rake in the dough, and mess around with never ending groupies and they can do it until they are geriatric unlike pro athletes or movie stars
a perfect life only to literally inject poison into it :(
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Did you see the movie Studio 666?
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Yikes
What a way to go
Geezis. I never world have thought that about any of them. I'm not a fan, bcuz Grohl wears an upside down cross necklace. I don't know if he's a satanist, or it's just a rock and roll thing, but it has always turned me away from them aside from the fact that I believe he and Courtney had something to do with Curt's death. I don't think Dave liked begin just a drummer, and was jealous of Curt's spotlight as the frontman. I mean he was a really good drummer, and soon after Curt's "suicide" he formed Foo Fighter and was the frontman.
IDK? In interviews he and the rest of Foo Fighters all seem like great dudes. They bring fans onstage every show which is probably an experience they will hold as the best memory or their lives. Go on YT and google Nandi plays with Foo Fighters, Kiss Kid plays with Foo Fighte, 10 year oled
Caleb plays with Foo Fighters.
Taylor gave up a lot of the spotlight most of the time during these "come up here and play" shit they did as most I've seen other than "Kiss kid" were drummers. Seemed to be a really good dude, who was very talented as singer too, and didn't mind giving up the spotlight to "no body's."
Fuck it, I'll search YT and post some. Nandi is famous at 11. Has played with Foo, Kravitz, and did a Master Class with Chad Smith from Chili Peppers, and some other drummer I don't know. She has her own YT channel, and Kravitz sent her a special edition Ludwig drum kit with a video message. She must have done something with Rage Against the Machine too, bcuz Tom Morello sent her one of his guitars long with a vidieo message encouraging her to learn another instrument, and saying she was way ahead of him at the same age. Doubt she'll ever use it. If you watch her channel or vids, you'll never see a happier kid than when she is driumming. Anyway, Chad is not that great of a drummer, and she picked up his shit like it was nothing. The other guy was a journeyman type of drummer...I think he played with David Lee Roth when he went his own way though. He thought he was the shit trying to teach her some weird Brazilian shit. He played it twice slow so she could learn it.........she got it, and he said "let's try it faster" She killed it in 5 minutes. He just watched her like WTF?, and said, "Nandi, it too me a week to learn that"
Maybe there is some hope for rock music in the future, and this rapping/hip hop shit with pre-made beats and lyrics about killing and drugs goes away.
Anyway, RIP Taylor! For a famous rock star, you seemed to be a really nice and good dude. I'm shocked he died. I was also shocked when Chester Bennigtoon from LP, STP, and he own stuff killed himself. I remember being front row to see them in IA, and at the end of the show I got a tap on my shoulder...I ignored it thinking was security, and we were trying to leave. A girl behind me, said "dude turn the fuck around", and there was Chester in front of me reaching out to shake my hand, and said "thanks for coming to the show. I saw you singing along and banging your head the whole show. You're why we do this" I was just like WTF just happened?, and I am not a star struck person at all having lived in GB. WI and seeing Packer players was a weekly thing. I've been front row to every concert except with when I was a kid with my mom seeing Survior at Lambo after their annual 4th of July fireworks, and David Lee Roth. Never have I seen a group member come down to shake hands, let alone seek a specific person out, and telling them/me that they noticed them. That dud was such a huge talent. I actually cried when I heard he killed himself. Not just because I interacted with him, but who the fuck else has been successful as a lead in 3+ groups? Such talent, worth millions, and tons of fans....what in the world would make a person with all that take their life is why I was sad, and left wondering WTF
Got off track....sad to see what seemed to be one of the few good rock stars go early, and reminded me of other shit....here's Nandi taking over for Taylor...
Here's "Kiss Kid" with Foo Fighters...actually after searching it's "kiss guy"
This kid they brought on stage and made the local news here while Foo Fighters playin in KC. He's not as good as the other two clips, but for ten years old he's good, and maybe Grohl isn't a bad guy as he......well I'll just let y'all watch to see how it ends.
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Did you see the movie Studio 666?
Never heard of it. What's it about, and how old is it?
Regardless, you post good shit so I'll look tomorrow to see if it's on Amazon Prime for free 8)
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Dave Grohl curse
When Grohl is drummer, lead singer dies(Cobain)
When Grohl is lead singer, drummer dies.
I posted later as I was searching YT clips, and long winded in my post as usual. I mentioned similar questioning. I truly believe Courtney and/or Dave had something to do with Cobain's death. When/if you watch Cobain's last few interviews.....he does not speak even remotely like someone thinking about offing themselves. Read my post for the rest of my theory.. Glad to know I'm not the only one that noticed this shit, so I guess I'm not a conspiracy nut job on my own at least. ;D
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Really hate their songs except everlong
Same hear, but go to the second page where my post is. You don't have to read my long winded shit I always post, tut watch the first vid I posted where they brought up an 11 year old girl to take Taylor's spot on drums for "monkey wrench". If you like Everlong, you will like Monkey Wrench.
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Never heard of it. What's it about, and how old is it?
Regardless, you post good shit so I'll look tomorrow to see if it's on Amazon Prime for free 8)
The movie came out about 4 weeks ago. It was playing in theaters.
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cant feel bad for clowns who basically commit suicide by drugging up forever.
goofy fukker. ::)
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I didn`t know much about their music.
RIP
They had c couple of good ones everlong and monkey wrench are both good tunes
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Did you see the movie Studio 666?
not yet
any good?
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not yet
any good?
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I was told that it was good.
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Drugs are Bad
M'kaay? ;D
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I know this place is brutal, no place for feel sorry for themselves dickheads. But if you're one of the lucky ones never been through childhood tramua, then it seems like why do this shit to yourself. But some people are fucked up plain and simple won't change them, how ever famous they are always got there demon's following them
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I know this place is brutal, no place for feel sorry for themselves dickheads. But if you're one of the lucky ones never been through childhood tramua, then it seems like why do this shit to yourself. But some people are fucked up plain and simple won't change them, how ever famous they are always got there demon's following them
Brutal if true
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I know this place is brutal, no place for feel sorry for themselves dickheads. But if you're one of the lucky ones never been through childhood tramua, then it seems like why do this shit to yourself. But some people are fucked up plain and simple won't change them, how ever famous they are always got there demon's following them
Actually, somebody told me that the drummer was a blood sacrifice. Do you have any info on that subject?
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He had a long history of drug abuse, including a heroine overdose more than ten years ago?
So quite fitting that he passed away in Colombia :)
Brutal if true
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cant feel bad for clowns who basically commit suicide by drugging up forever.
goofy fukker. ::)
I just a clip on YT on my tv b4 coming on to post. Seems he cleaned up his act a while ago. In his words, he said "I snorted a line of something that I thought was something else, and it turned out to be the wrong thing and I almost died" The clip later revealed it was heroin, and he was in a coma for two weeks. He said he stopped after that.
Marijuana isn't dangerous, the opioids could have been a relapse or could have been prescribed pain killers, you don't take anti-depressants for fun and with depression often anxiety goes with that often so the benzo was likely Xanax. The vid said he'd been complaining of chest pains lately. If he relapsed, like you I don't feel sorry for hiim. As someone who's dealt with that, all of us know there are risks, and consequences. Sooner or later it will catch up to us. A person could be clean for 20+ years, have one relapse that goes bad, and poof....they're dead.
Only toxicology has been released. Cause of death not determined yet according to that video.
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The movie came out about 4 weeks ago. It was playing in theaters.
So probably won't hit Amazon for free for a while. That's ok. The trailer looks like it's a cheezy horror movie starring a real rock band....nothing special unless someone is a hardcore Foo Fighters fan.
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I know this place is brutal, no place for feel sorry for themselves dickheads. But if you're one of the lucky ones never been through childhood tramua, then it seems like why do this shit to yourself. But some people are fucked up plain and simple won't change them, how ever famous they are always got there demon's following them
Many Many people have there own Demons & Pain for a myriad of different reasons
He was a Grown Adult with huge amounts of £ , How he dealt / Coped with his Demons
Was Down to Him - If He Decided to off himself on Drugs so be it , His Choice.
Sad Death of a Still young Man sure .
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Once you hit middle age, you have to clean up your act.
Taylor Hawkins death may be tied to drugs: police
https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/taylor-hawkins-death-may-be-tied-to-drugs-police/
This. You can’t keep up that party lifestyle forever without consequence.
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Dude wasn't fucking around
https://www.yahoo.com/news/taylor-hawkins-had-10-substances-223243646.html
Among the drugs found by a urine toxicological test performed by officials were marijuana, opioids, tricyclic antidepressants and benzodiazepines
A tox screen after one day? Colombians don't waste time, do they?
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world is burning but dr. jill tweets about how much of a dedicated father he was.
you know the kind of dedication where you take 10-different drugs, die and leave your family to suffer??
plus her husband shits his pants.
didnt joe molest this one too when she was their 15-yr old babysitter?
after he molested his own daughter?
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Who in the name of pamith has removed the first hilarious pic and why...
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When a celeb dies there seems to always be traces of opioids&benzos. I try to prescribe them as little as possible. As for the tricyclic antidepressant we mostly use it as a pain modulator or a light sedative in the evening(at least here in Europe). Since those drugs are really old there is just much better medication for like depression.
I remember this interview got linked here like 10 years ago. Had a profound effect on me when Mike told about struggling with opioids still to this day.
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When a celeb dies there seems to always be traces of opioids&benzos. I try to prescribe them as little as possible. As for the tricyclic antidepressant we mostly use it as a pain modulator or a light sedative in the evening(at least here in Europe). Since those drugs are really old there is just much better medication for like depression.
I remember this interview got linked here like 10 years ago. Had a profound effect on me when Mike told about struggling with opioids still to this day.
i'm curious. what have you found effective? i never had an addiction to benzos. but opiates yes, of course. what would you presecribe?
for a lotta guys getting off herion, went to suboxone... then when their suboxone script ran out, it was to fentanyl, and various analouges which have super long half lifes. guy could do herion (fentanyl.. or just fent powder) and not feel wthdrawal fo 2-3days. wayyy different from typical herion/pain pill addicts.
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i'm curious. what have you found effective? i never had an addiction to benzos. but opiates yes, of course. what would you presecribe?
That is a tough question because once you go for strong opioids the game chances. After that everything else is like candy. All the other strong medications are opioids like (Buprenorphine, codeine, tramadol) withdrawal process is really hard. I'm not an expert on that field because we have pain clinics that administer the protocol but basically it is that the dosages are decreased in a long period of time. They might add weak opioids in the beginning and some kind of pain modulator (amitriptylin, duloxetine).
I'm glad that the opioid situation is here in Finland is much better than in Us. I haven't seen an adult using Fentanyl for a long time. Last year I saw only 3-4 people using buprenorphine.
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This. You can’t keep up that party lifestyle forever without consequence.
Same drill here. Guy was in his 50s and still doing coke:
Quiet Riot singer overdosed on cocaine | Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-quietriot-idUSN1045394720071211
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That is a tough question because once you go for strong opioids the game chances. After that everything else is like candy. All the other strong medications are opioids like (Buprenorphine, codeine, tramadol) withdrawal process is really hard. I'm not an expert on that field because we have pain clinics that administer the protocol but basically it is that the dosages are decreased in a long period of time. They might add weak opioids in the beginning and some kind of pain modulator (amitriptylin, duloxetine).
I'm glad that the opioid situation is here in Finland is much better than in Us. I haven't seen an adult using Fentanyl for a long time. Last year I saw only 3-4 people using buprenorphine.
Here is Taylor's last performance in Chile...like a week b4 death. He seems energetic, sober, and seems to be having fun (i.e., not depressed). So seem to know your shit....what is an example of the type of anti-D mentioned in the toxicology report? Also, I think it's fucked here in the U.S. how after a surgery or something painful the Dr. already has a script ready go for you for Oxy's.
I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy. I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough. I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?" He put my on Tramadol 4x per day. Most I took it was twice a day. I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst. I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed. I got home and threw the rest away. I had no withdrawals or issues with it. Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?
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except they reported a guy with 'pain in his chest'... that doesnt' happen with fentanyl. and he's in colombia. why would they have fetty in the coke?
there's access to real, actual heroin there.. and dirt cheap cocaine.
he's 50, and had a history of substance abuse.. had an empty beer can, open vodka (not whiskey, tequila... vodka, the drinkers drink of choice), some mushrooms, and some powder... he likely did a few bumps and it was just too much. it happens after 20-30yrs of doing it.
i say bravo. dude lived a good life. coke overdose/heart attack is a bad way to go, super unpleasant, i know too well, but nonetheless, id assume he just blacked out after the panic and felt no actual 'pain', but the terror in such a thing is bad enough. even if you live through it.
All true.
Fentanyl sermed a likely culprit given its current track record and how prolific it is.
Ive known a few people close to me whove overdosed on fentanyl. I didn't know that it does not present with chest pain as I never got a chance to ask them. They both died.
Now that you say it, it makes sense. When people o.d. on fentanyl death occurs so assuredly that theres little time to report symptoms and less time to actually make it to an e.r. alive.
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except they reported a guy with 'pain in his chest'... that doesnt' happen with fentanyl. and he's in colombia. why would they have fetty in the coke?
there's access to real, actual heroin there.. and dirt cheap cocaine.
he's 50, and had a history of substance abuse.. had an empty beer can, open vodka (not whiskey, tequila... vodka, the drinkers drink of choice), some mushrooms, and some powder... he likely did a few bumps and it was just too much. it happens after 20-30yrs of doing it.
i say bravo. dude lived a good life. coke overdose/heart attack is a bad way to go, super unpleasant, i know too well, but nonetheless, id assume he just blacked out after the panic and felt no actual 'pain', but the terror in such a thing is bad enough. even if you live through it.
Have only seen the toxicology, and vid of him saying he'd been sober since he accidently snorted a line of heroin thinking it was coke, and ended up in a 2 week coma. Do you have a link to the bolded part?
BBers and musicians that partied/party a lot seem to have the same expiration date at around 50 lately. Personally, I love coke from the first line. Which is why I only took it a few times over a ten year span knowing I'd become addicted. I would never think about using it now even if I was younger again. I'd be scared shitless that it had fentynol in it, and one line would be game over. P.S. - you're right about vodka being the drinker's drink.....because it's so fucking cheap.
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I thought Opioids were sort of fun, but I never got anything close to an addicted feeling.
Always thought Coke was a garbage high.
I read his heart was extremely big; makes you think long term coke use maybe.
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Meanwhile Keith Richards is still kicking along happy as can be despite being in everyone's dead pool since about 1977, he may well outlive us all. Forget Ronnie or dillett, keef is the true genetic freak
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Here is Taylor's last performance in Chile...like a week b4 death. He seems energetic, sober, and seems to be having fun (i.e., not depressed). So seem to know your shit....what is an example of the type of anti-D mentioned in the toxicology report? Also, I think it's fucked here in the U.S. how after a surgery or something painful the Dr. already has a script ready go for you for Oxy's.
I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy. I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough. I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?" He put my on Tramadol 4x per day. Most I took it was twice a day. I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst. I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed. I got home and threw the rest away. I had no withdrawals or issues with it. Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?
when youre that skinny u aint doin much in life besides dope
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The best way to quit any addiction is to seek professional help, and to have a true desire to quit, then just dont pick op ever again........ one day at a time or one minute at a time if need be.
Been clean and sober well over twenty years now and I was a fucking wastebasket.....anyone that knew me would have never guessed in a zillion year that I`d still be alive today and sober that`s how bad I was.......I could tell you some real fucking horror stories.
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I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy. I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough. I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?" He put my on Tramadol 4x per day. Most I took it was twice a day. I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst. I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed. I got home and threw the rest away. I had no withdrawals or issues with it. Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?
Really smart of you. Fear is really good thing when dealing opioids. Most of the people brush the warnings off "doesn't affect me". Tramadol can be tricky too because it's also addictive but in your case if you use small amounts in short periods, it's ok. Tramadol and codeine are most common opioids that I've seen people addicted because they are the most used in my country. Oxys are rare here.
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yes... the toxicology report... amazing they had results in 36 hours... meanwhile, stateside it literally takes weeks... but Columbia must have that super duper rapid results systems... not
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yes... the toxicology report... amazing they had results in 36 hours... meanwhile, stateside it literally takes weeks... but Columbia must have that super duper rapid results systems... not
They are known to turn it around quickly to wash their hands of it.
Just like Brazil and many other Latin American countries.
No way i would believe anything from Columbian officials.
But it does make sense, which is why it was released that way.
They have a history of botching these things.
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He put my on Tramadol 4x per day. Most I took it was twice a day. I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst. I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed. I got home and threw the rest away. I had no withdrawals or issues with it. Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?
There is no way to tell from his performance if he was sober or not.
People can act very normal when on drugs when they have been taking them for years.
Depression is not always so forthcoming, it can be hard to see if a person is happy at that moment. Depression is not always controlling, there can be moments of happiness.
I don't like opiates, they make me feel terrible, so i've used Tramadol when i had surgeries. It's the easiest pain killer to manage. As long as you aren't taking massive amounts of it for months at a time, it's doubtful you will have withdrawals.
I was taking 200mg a day for about 4 months after i had knee surgery. Stopped cold turkey and felt normal.
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Was he vaccinated?
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Was he vaccinated?
i would think because they had vaccine mandates to attend their concerts
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There is no way to tell from his performance if he was sober or not.
People can act very normal when on drugs when they have been taking them for years.
Depression is not always so forthcoming, it can be hard to see if a person is happy at that moment. Depression is not always controlling, there can be moments of happiness.
I don't like opiates, they make me feel terrible, so i've used Tramadol when i had surgeries. It's the easiest pain killer to manage. As long as you aren't taking massive amounts of it for months at a time, it's doubtful you will have withdrawals.
I was taking 200mg a day for about 4 months after i had knee surgery. Stopped cold turkey and felt normal.
Larry Coryell (glasses) was so drunk here that he couldn't recall the performance. He sobered up about a year later and actually had to relearn the guitar.
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i would think because they had vaccine mandates to attend their concerts
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Vaccine mandates for concerts is a great way to show people what concerts they shouldn’t attend
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i would think because they had vaccine mandates to attend their concerts
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there's your answer. And to ESF best way to come off any meds, dry fast for 4-5 days.
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there's your answer. And to ESF best way to come off any meds, dry fast for 4-5 days.
This only water? No solids correct? How does this help?
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This only water? No solids correct? How does this help?
Dry fast, zero water contact for 4 to 5 day. Completely detoxifies you body, you'll heal like a mutant, any addiction, injuries, infections, look into it.
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there's your answer. And to ESF best way to come off any meds, dry fast for 4-5 days.
asking the best way to come off of meds?
depends on the med.
opiates? what worked for me was about 5 days of kinda heavy benzo use. klonopin particularly, enough to keep you 'comfortable'. in my case it was 3mg in the morning, and another 2-3 about 3-4 more times during the day. you'll be falling asleep standing up in the kitchen, but withdrawl will be a lot easier. then go to a medical detox where they likely give you nothing.. except maybe some suboxone.. then once you're off, its up to you if you wanna be on sub's for longer.
with fentanyl it's different. you can be off fentanyl for 2-3days, take a suboxone and it'll throw you into what's called precipitated withdrawl.. which is like withdrawal x100. uncontrollable vomiting and cramping shitting on the toilet, shaking uncontrollably and pouring sweat with a 140 heart rate. the only thing that'll help it is taking a big dose of fentanyl. if you wait the 16-24hrs till the suboxone wears off, you'll still be in withdrawl and useless to function in daily life, much less work.
there's what's called the "bermese method" which actually works. where you take small small .25mg suboxone twice a day (while still using fent) for 2-3days, then bump it to .5mg twice a day for 2-3 days, then bump it to 1mg twice a day for 2-3days.. then 1.5mg for 1-2days, then 2.5mg, for a couple days... etc... untill you get to 4mg twice a day. at that point, your receptors should be filled with nearly all sub's, not fent. you can also use the benzo protocol i mentioned above. at that point you can just drop the fent and continue with the subs and be fine... if you happen to have some withdrawal, take some fent. ..... that way you avoid the PW.
or with fent, the easy way would be to go to methadone. but only use it for a 2-4wks with a quick taper. the LAST thing you wanna be addicted to is methadone. but holy fuck does that stuff work.
coming off ssri's? the only ones i had expereince with having WD's was effexor and celexa. with effexor i tapered down for 6months (in prison, so no benzos).
coming off benzos? should really be done in-patient in a hospital setting. same with alcohol (if you don't have benzos), cuz you'll likely have a seizure, or 2 or 4, and hallucinate. maybe, if you have someone willing to help and has the time, get your hands on some 100mg/ml injectable ketamine and put yourself in a k-hole with 1cc IV every 6hrs or so. you'll be unable to move, and in a horrible k-hole hallucinating like youre in a never ending dream, likely falling backwards down an elevator shaft, but you'll avoid the worst parts of opiate and benzo withdrawl.
that's my thoughts, roughtly speaking.
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when youre that skinny u aint doin much in life besides dope
Almost rock guys are skinny. The don't workout/train other than Traillio which Ithink ruined Metallica. They all skinny for the most part, and Taylor/Foo Fighetes play for like 2-3 hours per night. Drugs or not,of course he is skinny. Not sticking up for him, bit touring life, and that long of shows would surely make you a skinny fuck.
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There is no way to tell from his performance if he was sober or not.
People can act very normal when on drugs when they have been taking them for years.
Depression is not always so forthcoming, it can be hard to see if a person is happy at that moment. Depression is not always controlling, there can be moments of happiness.
I don't like opiates, they make me feel terrible, so i've used Tramadol when i had surgeries. It's the easiest pain killer to manage. As long as you aren't taking massive amounts of it for months at a time, it's doubtful you will have withdrawals.
I was taking 200mg a day for about 4 months after i had knee surgery. Stopped cold turkey and felt normal.
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From my experience depression is very easy, and non- sobriety is even very others to see.
100% agree. You're right, that there can be moments of happiness, or that it's not seen, but in my experience those are few and far between...at least as far as the people that really know you...I don't like opiates either which is why I asked for the smallest dose. Tramadol was only like 25 mgs per tab if I remember right. Having IBS, there is nothing worse than having to shit constantly, but not being able to bcuz of oxy's. Your body wants to do one thing, but it won't let you do it. Oxy's I took for two days after my biceps tendon surgery, and that was even worse, so I said "FUCK THIS STUFF"!!! after the following two surgeries, and 3 injuries. I would only take it if I was dying, and truly couldn't handle the pain.
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asking the best way to come off of meds?
depends on the med.
opiates? what worked for me was about 5 days of kinda heavy benzo use. klonopin particularly, enough to keep you 'comfortable'. in my case it was 3mg in the morning, and another 2-3 about 3-4 more times during the day. you'll be falling asleep standing up in the kitchen, but withdrawl will be a lot easier. then go to a medical detox where they likely give you nothing.. except maybe some suboxone.. then once you're off, its up to you if you wanna be on sub's for longer.
to your last part, when I had a seizure, blacked out, and broke my collar bone.........hadn't drank for well over a month so it wasn't alcohol induced, they took me off xanax in the hospital, and put me on something else I can't remember the name of. I was more afraid of that than having to have my collar bone fixed in five places from the fall.
Think it started with a B...everything worked out ok though, except I still have really bad pain in my right collar bone which shattered into 5 pieces, took a titanium plate, and 9 screws to fix such a small bone. Every pressing motion feels fucked up, awkward, and hurts.
with fentanyl it's different. you can be off fentanyl for 2-3days, take a suboxone and it'll throw you into what's called precipitated withdrawl.. which is like withdrawal x100. uncontrollable vomiting and cramping shitting on the toilet, shaking uncontrollably and pouring sweat with a 140 heart rate. the only thing that'll help it is taking a big dose of fentanyl. if you wait the 16-24hrs till the suboxone wears off, you'll still be in withdrawl and useless to function in daily life, much less work.
there's what's called the "bermese method" which actually works. where you take small small .25mg suboxone twice a day (while still using fent) for 2-3days, then bump it to .5mg twice a day for 2-3 days, then bump it to 1mg twice a day for 2-3days.. then 1.5mg for 1-2days, then 2.5mg, for a couple days... etc... untill you get to 4mg twice a day. at that point, your receptors should be filled with nearly all sub's, not fent. you can also use the benzo protocol i mentioned above. at that point you can just drop the fent and continue with the subs and be fine... if you happen to have some withdrawal, take some fent. ..... that way you avoid the PW.
or with fent, the easy way would be to go to methadone. but only use it for a 2-4wks with a quick taper. the LAST thing you wanna be addicted to is methadone. but holy fuck does that stuff work.
coming off ssri's? the only ones i had expereince with having WD's was effexor and celexa. with effexor i tapered down for 6months (in prison, so no benzos).
coming off benzos? should really be done in-patient in a hospital setting. same with alcohol (if you don't have benzos), cuz you'll likely have a seizure, or 2 or 4, and hallucinate. maybe, if you have someone willing to help and has the time, get your hands on some 100mg/ml injectable ketamine and put yourself in a k-hole with 1cc IV every 6hrs or so. you'll be unable to move, and in a horrible k-hole hallucinating like youre in a never ending dream, likely falling backwards down an elevator shaft, but you'll avoid the worst parts of opiate and benzo withdrawl.
that's my thoughts, roughtly speaking.
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Sorry...I fucked up, and replied within your post making it hard to understand my reply. Too lazy to try and fix it. LOL!
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That is a tough question because once you go for strong opioids the game chances. After that everything else is like candy. All the other strong medications are opioids like (Buprenorphine, codeine, tramadol) withdrawal process is really hard. I'm not an expert on that field because we have pain clinics that administer the protocol but basically it is that the dosages are decreased in a long period of time. They might add weak opioids in the beginning and some kind of pain modulator (amitriptylin, duloxetine).
I'm glad that the opioid situation here in Finland is much better than in Us. I haven't seen an adult using Fentanyl for a long time. Last year I saw only 3-4 people using buprenorphine.
Yeah, Dr's here go straight to Obids. without even knowing of your past.....all about money here.
Thanks for the reply. I take it you are from somewhere where they do "free health care" paid for by taxes. bit at least aren't under the influence of pharma reps, which is our biggest problem in the U.S. with all the kickbacks.
Can you please answer my question about what the the difference is about the type of anti-d's he might have been on vs today's type of things like Trintellix, which has been the only thing I haven't freaked or felt like I was dead on?
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Here is Taylor's last performance in Chile...like a week b4 death. He seems energetic, sober, and seems to be having fun (i.e., not depressed). So seem to know your shit....what is an example of the type of anti-D mentioned in the toxicology report? Also, I think it's fucked here in the U.S. how after a surgery or something painful the Dr. already has a script ready go for you for Oxy's.
I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy. I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough. I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?" He put my on Tramadol 4x per day. Most I took it was twice a day. I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst. I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed. I got home and threw the rest away. I had no withdrawals or issues with it. Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?
Tramadol is misclassified it is not an opiate
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Really smart of you. Fear is really good thing when dealing opioids. Most of the people brush the warnings off "doesn't affect me". Tramadol can be tricky too because it's also addictive but in your case if you use small amounts in short periods, it's ok. Tramadol and codeine are most common opioids that I've seen people addicted because they are the most used in my country. Oxys are rare here.
Tramadol is not an opioid
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Tramadol is not an opioid
Come on man. I can just quote the first sentence of wikipedia. "Tramadol, sold under the brand name Ultram among others, is an opioid pain medication used to treat moderate to moderately severe pain."
Tramadol and especially it's metabolite binds to the opioid receptor and works as a agonist.
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Come on man. I can just quote the first sentence of wikipedia. "Tramadol, sold under the brand name Ultram among others, is an opioid pain medication used to treat moderate to moderately severe pain."
Tramadol and especially it's metabolite binds to the opioid receptor and works as a agonist.
Or you could do some research and see it was not originally classified as an opiate and was reclassified. Or you could have actual exp and know that all opiates do the exact same thing to the body given a high enough dosage you will get the opioid itch. At no dosage will Tramadol ever give you an opioid itch because it is not an opioid. Better yet I could tell you that bottles of Tramadol are in my house right now and have been for years not being used because again they are not opioids. How long do you think actual opioids would last in my house? 36 maybe 48 hours if there was a lot of them?
"When first approved in 1995, tramadol was not considered an opiate (like morphine or oxycodone) even though it acted in similar ways. However, because there were cases of abuse and addiction with its use, the thinking and warnings changed. In 2014, the FDA designated tramadol as a controlled substance."
I assure you Tramadol is not an Opioid I wish it was I would go pop a handful right now but it isn't
Perc, Vicodin, Nubain, Morphine, Oxy, Fent, actual Opium, Heroin they all do the exact same thing at dosage. Tramadol will not do it at any dosage you will never get the itch from tramadol it's not an opioid
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Or you could do some research and see it was not originally classified as an opiate and was reclassified. Or you could have actual exp and know that all opiates do the exact same thing to the body given a high enough dosage you will get the opioid itch. At no dosage will Tramadol ever give you an opioid itch because it is not an opioid. Better yet I could tell you that bottles of Tramadol are in my house right now and have been for years not being used because again they are not opioids. How long do you think actual opioids would last in my house? 36 maybe 48 hours if there was a lot of them?
"When first approved in 1995, tramadol was not considered an opiate (like morphine or oxycodone) even though it acted in similar ways. However, because there were cases of abuse and addiction with its use, the thinking and warnings changed. In 2014, the FDA designated tramadol as a controlled substance."
I assure you Tramadol is not an Opioid I wish it was I would go pop a handful right now but it isn't
Perc, Vicodin, Nubain, Morphine, Oxy, Fent, actual Opium, Heroin they all do the exact same thing at dosage. Tramadol will not do it at any dosage you will never get the itch from tramadol it's not an opioid
In layman's terms when we talk about opioids we talk about class of drugs that binds to the opioid receptor(s). Sure, Tramadol is much more weaker than those drugs you mentioned (1/10 of oral morphine) but it still function with the opioid receptor and it's called "weak opioid"
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In layman's terms when we talk about opioids we talk about class of drugs that binds to the opioid receptor(s). Sure, Tramadol is much more weaker than those drugs you mentioned (1/10 of oral morphine) but it still function with the opioid receptor and it's called "weak opioid"
It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage
I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't
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It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage
I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't
We kinda argue in a different level ;D We can make a deal that Tramadol isn't a "real opioid" but it's a drug that is an opioid receptor agonist. There any many answers to your questions to why you don't get the same effect if you would take 10 x of Tramadol dose than compared to "strong opioids". The opioid receptor can get sensitised to the fast acting, super aggressively binding drug like oxycodone and it complete alter the pathway signalling so weak opioids don't have the same effect. People also have different metabolation speeds because their CYP-enzymes work differently so effects of Tramadol example differ person to person.
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Have only seen the toxicology, and vid of him saying he'd been sober since [1] he accidently snorted a line of heroin thinking it was coke, and ended up in a 2 week coma. Do you have a link to the bolded part?
BBers and musicians that partied/party a lot seem to have the same expiration date at around 50 lately. [2] Personally, I love coke from the first line. Which is why I only took it a few times over a ten year span knowing I'd become addicted. [3] I would never think about using it now even if I was younger again. I'd be scared shitless that it had fentynol in it, and one line would be game over. P.S. - you're right about vodka being the drinker's drink.....because it's so fucking cheap.
[1] Pulp Fiction overdose of peace...
[2] I know what you mean ;D
[3] #metoo!
asking the best way to come off of meds?
depends on the med.
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Holy fuck! :o Note to self: From now on, whenever I start to feel bad about the way I've fucked about with drugs and alcohol in the past, I'm going to come back to your post and remind myself I was an absolute amateur! ;D
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It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage
I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't
This is very interesting. So if somebody takes what they think is Tramadol/Ultram (sustained release 100mg) and gets the itches, does that mean the stuff might be adulterated with something else..? Asking for a friend
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It is not an opioid how many decades have you been using opioids? I don't care what it says in a book it absolutely does not do what every other opioid does there is a reason it was not originally classified as an opioid. It will not provide any relief for an actual opioid craving it will not give you an opioid itch at any dosage. If it was just weak you could take 10x as much and get the same effect as any other opioid that is how all other opioids work you can not tell the difference between any of them at a high enough dosage they all have the same effect. You can eat a fucking bottle of tramadol you will still not get an opioid itch and nausea it does not have the opioid effect on the body at any dosage
I would take a handful right now if it was I wish it was but I know better it isn't
you'd have a seziure. look it up. start going over 300mgs and your seizure risk increases exponentially.
as far as relieving an opioid craving? yes it will. if you have a mild opiate addiction, say to norco or oxy, tramadol will keep you out of withdrawal.
also causes opiate withdrawal, along with ssri/snri withdrawal if you've been on it for longer than 3-4months.
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This is very interesting. So if somebody takes what they think is Tramadol/Ultram (sustained release 100mg) and gets the itches, does that mean the stuff might be adulterated with something else..? Asking for a friend
Tramadol will give you the itch at 100+mg.
Trust me i know. ;D
If you take enough of it, you will get pretty fucked up.
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tramadol binds to opiate receptors.
tianeptine (which is very much like tramadol) binds to opiate receptors.
loperamide binds to opiate receptors.
saying they're not opioids because they don't give you (in particular) an 'itch' is foolish.
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vaccinated.... yes.. he had to get his 2nd jab or booster in order to play/tour there....
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you'd have a seziure. look it up. start going over 300mgs and your seizure risk increases exponentially.
as far as relieving an opioid craving? yes it will. if you have a mild opiate addiction, say to norco or oxy, tramadol will keep you out of withdrawal.
also causes opiate withdrawal, along with ssri/snri withdrawal if you've been on it for longer than 3-4months.
Not disagreeing, as I am no expert - but I've always wondered about the dosage/kg(lb) thing regarding any drugs - PEDs, rec, OTC pain-relief, whatever
If someone is 280 and someone else is 140 - who does the 300mg (in this case) apply to? Is there a 'standard person' metric? I think lethal dose is calculated in this way, so is optimum dose also calculated like this?
(Yeah I could Google it, but it's more fun on here ;D)
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tramadol binds to opiate receptors.
tianeptine (which is very much like tramadol) binds to opiate receptors.
loperamide binds to opiate receptors.
saying they're not opioids because they don't give you (in particular) an 'itch' is foolish.
In the UK that's an OTC diarrhoea treatment - I've also seen it suggested for withdrawals, and thank to your explanation I now know why. But God know what kind of constipation that might cause! :o :-X
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His son did his dad very proud in the tribute concert at Wembley, the kid is a star