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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2022, 02:11:20 AM »
When a celeb dies there seems to always be traces of opioids&benzos. I try to prescribe them as little as possible. As for the tricyclic antidepressant we mostly use it as a pain modulator or a light sedative in the evening(at least here in Europe). Since those drugs are really old there is just much better medication for like depression.



I remember this interview got linked here like 10 years ago. Had a profound effect on me when Mike told about struggling with opioids still to this day.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2022, 02:32:48 AM »
When a celeb dies there seems to always be traces of opioids&benzos. I try to prescribe them as little as possible. As for the tricyclic antidepressant we mostly use it as a pain modulator or a light sedative in the evening(at least here in Europe). Since those drugs are really old there is just much better medication for like depression.



I remember this interview got linked here like 10 years ago. Had a profound effect on me when Mike told about struggling with opioids still to this day.

i'm curious. what have you found effective? i never had an addiction to benzos. but opiates yes, of course. what would you presecribe?

for a lotta guys getting off herion, went to suboxone... then when their suboxone script ran out, it was to fentanyl, and various analouges which have super long half lifes. guy could do herion (fentanyl.. or just fent powder) and not feel wthdrawal fo 2-3days. wayyy different from typical herion/pain pill addicts.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2022, 03:14:43 AM »
i'm curious. what have you found effective? i never had an addiction to benzos. but opiates yes, of course. what would you presecribe?


That is a tough question because once you go for strong opioids the game chances. After that everything else is like candy. All the other strong medications are opioids like (Buprenorphine, codeine, tramadol) withdrawal process is really hard. I'm not an expert on that field because we have pain clinics that administer the protocol but basically it is that the dosages are decreased in a long period of time. They might add weak opioids in the beginning and some kind of pain modulator (amitriptylin, duloxetine).

I'm glad that the opioid situation is here in Finland is much better than in Us. I haven't seen an adult using Fentanyl for a long time. Last year I saw only 3-4 people using buprenorphine.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2022, 03:18:51 AM »
This. You can’t keep up that party lifestyle forever without consequence.

Same drill here. Guy was in his 50s and still doing coke:


Quiet Riot singer overdosed on cocaine | Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-quietriot-idUSN1045394720071211

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2022, 05:03:50 PM »
That is a tough question because once you go for strong opioids the game chances. After that everything else is like candy. All the other strong medications are opioids like (Buprenorphine, codeine, tramadol) withdrawal process is really hard. I'm not an expert on that field because we have pain clinics that administer the protocol but basically it is that the dosages are decreased in a long period of time. They might add weak opioids in the beginning and some kind of pain modulator (amitriptylin, duloxetine).

I'm glad that the opioid situation is here in Finland is much better than in Us. I haven't seen an adult using Fentanyl for a long time. Last year I saw only 3-4 people using buprenorphine.

Here is Taylor's last performance in Chile...like a week b4 death.  He seems energetic, sober, and seems to be having fun (i.e., not depressed).  So seem to know your shit....what is an example of  the type of anti-D mentioned in the toxicology report?  Also, I think it's fucked here in the U.S. how after a surgery or something painful the Dr. already has a script ready go for you for Oxy's. 

I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy.  I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough.  I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?"  He put my on Tramadol 4x per day.  Most I took it was twice a day.  I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst.  I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed.  I got home and threw the rest away.  I had no withdrawals or issues with it.  Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2022, 07:00:16 PM »
except they reported a guy with 'pain in his chest'... that doesnt' happen with fentanyl. and he's in colombia. why would they have fetty in the coke?
there's access to real, actual heroin there.. and dirt cheap cocaine.

he's 50, and had a history of substance abuse.. had an empty beer can, open vodka (not whiskey, tequila... vodka, the drinkers drink of choice), some mushrooms, and some powder... he likely did a few bumps and it was just too much. it happens after 20-30yrs of doing it.

i say bravo. dude lived a good life. coke overdose/heart attack is a bad way to go, super unpleasant, i know too well, but nonetheless, id assume he just blacked out after the panic and felt no actual 'pain', but the terror in such a thing is bad enough. even if you live through it.

All true.

Fentanyl sermed a likely culprit given its current track record and how prolific it is.

Ive known a few people close to me whove overdosed on fentanyl.  I didn't know that it does not present with chest pain as I never got a chance to ask them. They both died.

Now that you say it, it makes sense. When people o.d. on fentanyl death occurs so assuredly that theres little time to report symptoms and less time to actually make it to an e.r. alive.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2022, 09:07:39 PM »
except they reported a guy with 'pain in his chest'... that doesnt' happen with fentanyl. and he's in colombia. why would they have fetty in the coke?
there's access to real, actual heroin there.. and dirt cheap cocaine.

he's 50, and had a history of substance abuse.. had an empty beer can, open vodka (not whiskey, tequila... vodka, the drinkers drink of choice), some mushrooms, and some powder... he likely did a few bumps and it was just too much. it happens after 20-30yrs of doing it.

i say bravo. dude lived a good life. coke overdose/heart attack is a bad way to go, super unpleasant, i know too well, but nonetheless, id assume he just blacked out after the panic and felt no actual 'pain', but the terror in such a thing is bad enough. even if you live through it.

Have only seen the toxicology, and vid of him saying he'd been sober since he accidently snorted a line of heroin thinking it was coke, and ended up in a 2 week coma.  Do you have a link to the bolded part?

BBers and musicians that partied/party a lot seem to have the same expiration date at around 50 lately.  Personally, I love coke from the first line.  Which is why I only took it a few times over a ten year span knowing I'd become addicted.  I would never think about using it now even if I was younger again.  I'd be scared shitless that it had fentynol in it, and one line would be game over.  P.S. - you're right about vodka being the drinker's drink.....because it's so fucking cheap.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2022, 09:36:30 PM »
I thought Opioids were sort of fun, but I never got anything close to an addicted feeling.

Always thought Coke was a garbage high.

I read his heart was extremely big; makes you think long term coke use maybe.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2022, 11:26:06 PM »
Meanwhile Keith Richards is still kicking along happy as can be despite being in everyone's dead pool since about 1977, he may well outlive us all. Forget Ronnie or dillett, keef is the true genetic freak







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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2022, 11:49:05 PM »
Here is Taylor's last performance in Chile...like a week b4 death.  He seems energetic, sober, and seems to be having fun (i.e., not depressed).  So seem to know your shit....what is an example of  the type of anti-D mentioned in the toxicology report?  Also, I think it's fucked here in the U.S. how after a surgery or something painful the Dr. already has a script ready go for you for Oxy's. 

I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy.  I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough.  I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?"  He put my on Tramadol 4x per day.  Most I took it was twice a day.  I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst.  I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed.  I got home and threw the rest away.  I had no withdrawals or issues with it.  Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?

when youre that skinny u aint doin much in life besides dope
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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2022, 01:06:45 AM »
The best way to quit any addiction is to seek professional help, and to have a true desire to quit, then just dont pick op ever again........ one day at a time or one minute at a time if need be.

Been clean and sober well over twenty years now and I was a fucking wastebasket.....anyone that knew me would have never guessed in a zillion year that I`d still be alive today and sober that`s how bad I was.......I could tell you some real fucking horror stories.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2022, 09:31:45 AM »


I broke 4 ribs in my back a few months ago, and the ER Dr. asked me nothing about my past....which includes addiction, so I am very against taking Oxy.  I told him I'd just take advil, and he went on and on about how that wouldn't be strong enough.  I said "fine, what's the weakest thing you have?"  He put my on Tramadol 4x per day.  Most I took it was twice a day.  I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst.  I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed.  I got home and threw the rest away.  I had no withdrawals or issues with it.  Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?




Really smart of you. Fear is really good thing when dealing opioids. Most of the people brush the warnings off "doesn't affect me". Tramadol can be tricky too because it's also addictive but in your case if you use small amounts in short periods, it's ok. Tramadol and codeine are most common opioids that I've seen people addicted because they are the most used in my country. Oxys are rare here.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2022, 03:24:48 PM »
   
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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2022, 04:54:52 PM »
yes... the toxicology report...   amazing they had results in 36 hours... meanwhile, stateside it literally takes weeks... but Columbia must have that super duper rapid results systems...  not

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2022, 05:26:51 PM »
yes... the toxicology report...   amazing they had results in 36 hours... meanwhile, stateside it literally takes weeks... but Columbia must have that super duper rapid results systems...  not

They are known to turn it around quickly to wash their hands of it.

Just like Brazil and many other Latin American countries.

No way i would believe anything from Columbian officials.

But it does make sense, which is why it was released that way.

They have a history of botching these things.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2022, 05:32:13 PM »
He put my on Tramadol 4x per day.  Most I took it was twice a day.  I never felt high/fucked up on it, but it helped with the pain the first weeks which were the worst.  I then stayed at 1 a day until x-rays showed they had healed.  I got home and threw the rest away.  I had no withdrawals or issues with it.  Not suggesting it to anyone that doesn't need it for a bit, but would you agree that was likely the weakest, and safest choice I made from the opioid class of painkillers?

There is no way to tell from his performance if he was sober or not.

People can act very normal when on drugs when they have been taking them for years.

Depression is not always so forthcoming, it can be hard to see if a person is happy at that moment. Depression is not always controlling, there can be moments of happiness.

I don't like opiates, they make me feel terrible, so i've used Tramadol when i had surgeries. It's the easiest pain killer to manage. As long as you aren't taking massive amounts of it for months at a time, it's doubtful you will have withdrawals.

I was taking 200mg a day for about 4 months after i had knee surgery. Stopped cold turkey and felt normal.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2022, 05:41:44 PM »
Was he vaccinated?

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2022, 06:13:45 PM »
Was he vaccinated?

i would think because they had vaccine mandates to attend their concerts

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #68 on: March 29, 2022, 06:13:55 PM »
There is no way to tell from his performance if he was sober or not.

People can act very normal when on drugs when they have been taking them for years.

Depression is not always so forthcoming, it can be hard to see if a person is happy at that moment. Depression is not always controlling, there can be moments of happiness.

I don't like opiates, they make me feel terrible, so i've used Tramadol when i had surgeries. It's the easiest pain killer to manage. As long as you aren't taking massive amounts of it for months at a time, it's doubtful you will have withdrawals.

I was taking 200mg a day for about 4 months after i had knee surgery. Stopped cold turkey and felt normal.

Larry Coryell (glasses) was so drunk here that he couldn't recall the performance.  He sobered up about a year later and actually had to relearn the guitar.


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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #69 on: March 29, 2022, 06:32:59 PM »
i would think because they had vaccine mandates to attend their concerts

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Vaccine mandates for concerts is a great way to show people what concerts they shouldn’t attend

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #70 on: March 29, 2022, 06:48:22 PM »
i would think because they had vaccine mandates to attend their concerts

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there's your answer. And to ESF best way to come off any meds, dry fast for 4-5 days.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2022, 07:08:22 PM »
there's your answer. And to ESF best way to come off any meds, dry fast for 4-5 days.

This only water? No solids correct? How does this help?

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #72 on: March 29, 2022, 07:11:50 PM »
This only water? No solids correct? How does this help?
Dry fast, zero water contact for 4 to 5 day. Completely detoxifies you body, you'll heal like a mutant, any addiction,  injuries, infections, look into it.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2022, 10:36:13 PM »
there's your answer. And to ESF best way to come off any meds, dry fast for 4-5 days.

asking the best way to come off of meds?

depends on the med.

opiates? what worked for me was about 5 days of kinda heavy benzo use. klonopin particularly, enough to keep you 'comfortable'. in my case it was 3mg in the morning, and another 2-3 about 3-4 more times during the day. you'll be falling asleep standing up in the kitchen, but withdrawl will be a lot easier. then go to a medical detox where they likely give you nothing.. except maybe some suboxone.. then once you're off, its up to you if you wanna be on sub's for longer.

with fentanyl it's different. you can be off fentanyl for 2-3days, take a suboxone and it'll throw you into what's called precipitated withdrawl.. which is like withdrawal x100. uncontrollable vomiting and cramping shitting on the toilet, shaking uncontrollably and pouring sweat with a 140 heart rate. the only thing that'll help it is taking a big dose of fentanyl. if you wait the 16-24hrs till the suboxone wears off, you'll still be in withdrawl and useless to function in daily life, much less work.

there's what's called the "bermese method" which actually works. where you take small small .25mg suboxone twice a day (while still using fent) for 2-3days, then bump it to .5mg twice a day for 2-3 days, then bump it to 1mg twice a day for 2-3days.. then 1.5mg for 1-2days, then 2.5mg, for a couple days... etc... untill you get to 4mg twice a day. at that point, your receptors should be filled with nearly all sub's, not fent. you can also use the benzo protocol i mentioned above. at that point you can just drop the fent and continue with the subs and be fine... if you happen to have some withdrawal, take some fent. ..... that way you avoid the PW.

or with fent, the easy way would be to go to methadone. but only use it for a 2-4wks with a quick taper. the LAST thing you wanna be addicted to is methadone. but holy fuck does that stuff work.

coming off ssri's? the only ones i had expereince with having WD's was effexor and celexa. with effexor i tapered down for 6months (in prison, so no benzos).

coming off benzos? should really be done in-patient in a hospital setting. same with alcohol (if you don't have benzos), cuz you'll likely have a seizure, or 2 or 4, and hallucinate.  maybe, if you have someone willing to help and has the time, get your hands on some 100mg/ml injectable ketamine and put yourself in a k-hole with 1cc IV every 6hrs or so. you'll be unable to move, and in a horrible k-hole hallucinating like youre in a never ending dream, likely falling backwards down an elevator shaft, but you'll avoid the worst parts of opiate and benzo withdrawl.

that's my thoughts, roughtly speaking.

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Re: foo fighters drummer dead at 50
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2022, 10:44:20 PM »
when youre that skinny u aint doin much in life besides dope

Almost rock guys are skinny. The don't workout/train other than Traillio which Ithink ruined Metallica.  They all skinny for the most part, and Taylor/Foo Fighetes play for like 2-3 hours per night.  Drugs or not,of course he is skinny.  Not sticking up for him,  bit touring life, and that long of shows would surely make you a skinny fuck.