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Def one of the GOATs 8)
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Based on this 2003 interview from Getbig Leader Ron Avidan, I would say YES:
https://web.archive.org/web/20041211112638/http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/cutler030113.html
Thread discussing that interview:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=679214.0
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Brutal if true
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Brutal if true
Who's your pick?
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NO RONNIE WAS.
Also there are tons of old school bodybuilders lifestyles and regimens would have made Jay cry like a baby, and quit.
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Def one of the GOATs 8)
scissors to cut up meat?
Fucking time wasting moron
When did you last see a butcher with a pair of fucking scissors?
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NO RONNIE WAS.
Also there are tons of old school bodybuilders lifestyles and regimens would have made Jay cry like a baby, and quit.
This 100%
Imho nobody ever has or ever will be more dedicated or work harder than Ronnie.
The list of others ahead of Jay is long....I would put him mid pack for his era. Bordering bottom to mid pack all time
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"it sometimes took me an hour to eat my food??
So he was eating every hour then?
Or did he wait 2 hours after he finished to eat his next meal?
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:'I think Dorian deserves some mention here.
Ronnie and Dorian were both dedicated and probably 2 of the hardest trainers to have ever competed. Ronnie may have initially outlasted Dorian in terms of competitive longevity but both of them destroyed their bodies training the way they did. Dorian with muscle tears and Ronnie's back.
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This 100%
Imho nobody ever has or ever will be more dedicated or work harder than Ronnie.
The list of others ahead of Jay is long....I would put him mid pack for his era. Bordering bottom to mid pack all time
Ronnie was eating french fries with barbecue sauce up until showday ::)
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Ronnie was eating french fries with barbecue sauce up until showday ::)
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It was a dvd.
I’m sure a lot of what Ronnie did was to sell the dvd. “Ronnie ate this, used bbq sauce, lifted heavy…. all the night before the Olympia.”
Come on.
Do you think he would have shown up in better shape if he didn’t eat the fries and he cut his steak with scissors?
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I’d say Ronnie. Worked a real job while bodybuilding until an Olympia win.
Back then Jay was boring. Typical bodybuilding day of eating, sleeping, training, and occasional errand runs.
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I worked out at the same gym as Jay. He was a cool guy but there is no way he was the hardest working bodybuilder ever.
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Do you think he would have shown up in better shape if he didn’t eat the fries and he cut his steak with scissors?
Do you think Jay would have beaten Ronnie before 2006 if he didn't have a triple meat burger with no salt and lettuce, and a bottle of water nightly at In and Out?
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Do you think Jay would have beaten Ronnie before 2006 if he didn't have a triple meat burger with no salt and lettuce, and a bottle of water nightly at In and Out?
When you're on as much gh and tren as he is, as well as thyroid modulators, you'd be amazed how much crap you can eat
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It was a dvd.
I’m sure a lot of what Ronnie did was to sell the dvd. “Ronnie ate this, used bbq sauce, lifted heavy…. all the night before the Olympia.”
Come on.
Do you think he would have shown up in better shape if he didn’t eat the fries and he cut his steak with scissors?
Nah. I don't believe that. Why the fuck show Ronnie go to the Outback Steakhouse three times or whatever, if he was truly dedicated to proper nutrition. Dude clearly just "ate whatever", and let his genetics to the rest.
The ultimate proof to that was when Ronnie was at the Outback Steakhouse [I think the second time], and looked at the chicken breast and said "That's small - maybe I should get another."
LMAO. YEP, CLEARLY A BODYBUILDER WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT NUTRITION AND PROPER MACROS.
Meanwhile Jay did everything he possibly could to keep himself in an anabolic environment - and I know of NO ONE who did more.
NOW - are you to interpret this threat title as a comparison of training styles? Then Ronnie wins, and it's not even close.
Or is it a comparison of nutrition and dedication to diet? Then it's Jay, no question.
I interpreted the title as being a comparison of overall commitment to the bodybuilding lifestyle.
"That [chicken breast's] small. Maybe I should get another." - Ronnie Coleman.
LMAO. Clearly the words of someone who gave a shit about nitrogen balance and giving his body the tools necessary for hypertrophy.
As for Ronnie doing more than shown on the DVD - no, no...I think the 17 times he went to the Outback Steakhouse in the DVD really said it all.
Disgusting Matt C level dedication to nutrition.
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Nah. I don't believe that. Why the fuck show Ronnie go to the Outback Steakhouse three times or whatever, if he was truly dedicated to proper nutrition. Dude clearly just "ate whatever", and let his genetics to the rest.
The ultimate proof to that was when Ronnie was at the Outback Steakhouse [I think the second time], and looked at the chicken breast and said "That's small - maybe I should get another."
LMAO. YEP, CLEARLY A BODYBUILDER WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT NUTRITION AND PROPER MACROS.
Meanwhile Jay did everything he possibly could to keep himself in an anabolic environment - and I know of NO ONE who did more.
NOW - are you to interpret this threat title as a comparison of training styles? Then Ronnie wins, and it's not even close.
Or is it a comparison of nutrition and dedication to diet? Then it's Jay, no question.
I interpreted the title as being a comparison of overall commitment to the bodybuilding lifestyle.
"That [chicken breast's] small. Maybe I should get another." - Ronnie Coleman.
LMAO. Clearly the words of someone who gave a shit about nitrogen balance and giving his body the tools necessary for hypertrophy.
As for Ronnie doing more than shown on the DVD - no, no...I think the 17 times he went to the Outback Steakhouse in the DVD really said it all.
Disgusting Matt C level dedication to nutrition.
Please see the above video of Jay’s precontest diet of eating In and Out.
Ronnie was eating chicken breast at outback, is it that different than if he grilled it himself?
Also how much better would have Ronnie been on a diet of rice and chicken?
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Please see the above video of Jay’s precontest diet of eating In and Out.
Ronnie was eating chicken breast at outback, is it that different than if he grilled it himself?
Also how much better would have Ronnie been on a diet of rice and chicken?
Great name for a restaurant. ;D
That said, would Mitsuru Okabe have shown the same footage of Ronnie going to The Outback OVER AND OVER AND OVER, and just a grits meal otherwise, if Ronnie did much more than what was shown?
How many times did Jay go to In and Out? If it was like 5 of 6 meals, then I stand corrected.
I just get the impression that Jay was WAY more "Zane-Like" in terms of eating with complete precision, weighing everything, etc.
Ronnie basically made sure to get his 300g protein in, which was seemingly enough.
But back to my question, was Jay going to In and Out for half of his meals or something? Then I stand corrected, as I said.
But is the comparison here nutrition, or training?
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Who's your pick?
Tom Platz trained the hardest, also Branch Warren, Johnnie Jackson and Ronnie Coleman
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NO RONNIE WAS.
Also there are tons of old school bodybuilders lifestyles and regimens would have made Jay cry like a baby, and quit.
Jay was one of the hardest working not just because of how hard he trained but his consistency with his diet, training frequency, sleep etc. He was basically a robot not deviating one bit from his schedule. Ronnie was also like that. Which is why they were both at the top. I am sure Jay's discipline followed with his drug use. He was no dummy and did not fuck himself up like some of the other guys.
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Great name for a restaurant. ;D
That said, would Mitsuru Okabe have shown the same footage of Ronnie going to The Outback OVER AND OVER AND OVER, and just a grits meal otherwise, if Ronnie did much more than what was shown?
How many times did Jay go to In and Out? If it was like 5 of 6 meals, then I stand corrected.
I just get the impression that Jay was WAY more "Zane-Like" in terms of eating with complete precision, weighing everything, etc.
Ronnie basically made sure to get his 300g protein in, which was seemingly enough.
But back to my question, was Jay going to In and Out for half of his meals or something? Then I stand corrected, as I said.
But is the comparison here nutrition, or training?
You made the comparison about nutrition.
Both of these were dedicated (trainers) but Jay said once he witnessed how Ronnie trained he realized he was going to have to step his game up if he was going to have any chance at beating Ronnie.
But to my real point, let's say Ronnie's diet consisted strictly of outback how much different would he have looked if he grilled the steak and chicken himself? How was Ronnie's diet not an example of dedication? Idk many people that could stomach outback 7 times in a month let alone 17 times.
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Please see the above video of Jay’s precontest diet of eating In and Out.
Ronnie was eating chicken breast at outback, is it that different than if he grilled it himself?
Also how much better would have Ronnie been on a diet of rice and chicken?
Likely worse. Anyone here that’s taken GH, test, and necessary thyroid meds for when on growth can attest that you need to be eating clean and not clean food.
Ronnie wouldn’t just have chicken and rice at places like Outback and Bennigans but cornbread and other items. When I’d take growth etc I’d eat clean plus dirty. Piana used to eat ice cream every night. That’s all doable so you don’t end up flat.
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:'I think Dorian deserves some mention here.
Ronnie and Dorian were both dedicated and probably 2 of the hardest trainers to have ever competed. Ronnie may have initially outlasted Dorian in terms of competitive longevity but both of them destroyed their bodies training the way they did. Dorian with muscle tears and Ronnie's back.
Def need to mention Dorian and Ronnie.
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Likely worse. Anyone here that’s taken GH, test, and necessary thyroid meds for when on growth can attest that you need to be eating clean and not clean food.
Ronnie wouldn’t just have chicken and rice at places like Outback and Bennigans but cornbread and other items. When I’d take growth etc I’d eat clean plus dirty. Piana used to eat ice cream every night. That’s all doable so you don’t end up flat.
Thanks for sharing this.
And that was my point exactly Ronnie’s was dedicated to his diet just as much as Jay was BUT the drugs made all the difference.
Ronnie and Jay are 2 of the best ever and of course they are also the most dedicated BUT I think Ron was more dedicated and if I’m being honest with myself idk what that really means. I do think Mr. O’s are crowned because they are willing to go a little further than everyone else whether it’s diet, drugs, training…
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When I think who got the most out of what they had I think of Dorian.
One person I haven’t heard named would also be the political opportunist Arnold.
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Jay cutler is the worst mr Olympia ever besides that Muslim turd ramy 50 inch waist no veins only became mr Olympia because he was white pure dog shit
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Ronnie was eating french fries with barbecue sauce up until showday ::)
Ronnie probably burned the calories from that BBQ sauce in all of 5 minutes, once he stepped into that inferno with weights that he called a gym.
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Nah. I don't believe that. Why the fuck show Ronnie go to the Outback Steakhouse three times or whatever, if he was truly dedicated to proper nutrition. Dude clearly just "ate whatever", and let his genetics to the rest.
The ultimate proof to that was when Ronnie was at the Outback Steakhouse [I think the second time], and looked at the chicken breast and said "That's small - maybe I should get another."
LMAO. YEP, CLEARLY A BODYBUILDER WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT NUTRITION AND PROPER MACROS.
Meanwhile Jay did everything he possibly could to keep himself in an anabolic environment - and I know of NO ONE who did more.
NOW - are you to interpret this threat title as a comparison of training styles? Then Ronnie wins, and it's not even close.
Or is it a comparison of nutrition and dedication to diet? Then it's Jay, no question.
I interpreted the title as being a comparison of overall commitment to the bodybuilding lifestyle.
"That [chicken breast's] small. Maybe I should get another." - Ronnie Coleman.
LMAO. Clearly the words of someone who gave a shit about nitrogen balance and giving his body the tools necessary for hypertrophy.
As for Ronnie doing more than shown on the DVD - no, no...I think the 17 times he went to the Outback Steakhouse in the DVD really said it all.
Disgusting Matt C level dedication to nutrition.
Once again, "proper nutrition" is whatever gets the job done for that particular bodybuilder.
And it's not as if Ronnie doesn't dig chicken breasts. On the contrary, he loves them. But, he doesn't just eat two or three. THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF HIS PLATE is covered with chicken.
Chad Nicholls vouches for him more than anyone, claiming that NO client that he's ever had stuck to his diet the way Ronnie did.
Lest we also forget, Ronnie did this and won half his Olympias, working as a full-time cop. If that's not dedication, what is?
I'm sure you've seen him, stuffing his face with chicken in his squad car.
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Once again, "proper nutrition" is whatever gets the job done for that particular bodybuilder.
And it's not as if Ronnie doesn't dig chicken breasts. On the contrary, he loves them. But, he doesn't just eat two or three. THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF HIS PLATE is covered with chicken.
Chad Nicholls vouches for him more than anyone, claiming that NO client that he's ever had stuck to his diet the way Ronnie did.
Lest we also forget, Ronnie did this and won half his Olympias, working as a full-time cop. If that's not dedication, what is?
I'm sure you've seen him, stuffing his face with chicken in his squad car.
Saying that a piece of chicken "looks small", and haphazardly ordering another one is NOT someone following a regimented diet.
Rich Gaspari weighed EVERYTHING. Ronnie was nothing like that.
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Saying that a piece of chicken "looks small", and haphazardly ordering another one is NOT someone following a regimented diet.
Rich Gaspari weighed EVERYTHING. Ronnie was nothing like that.
If Gaspari ate a little more he may have weighed enough to beat Haney.
Matt you have to eat big to get big or you’ll be small if you eat small.
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If Gaspari ate a little more he may have weighed enough to beat Haney.
Matt you have to eat big to get big or you’ll be small if you eat small.
Eating sucks. To reach the lifts I did off 1,100 calories daily is impressive. But I hate eating. It's certainly not too early to stop this cycle. I can't eat.
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Saying that a piece of chicken "looks small", and haphazardly ordering another one is NOT someone following a regimented diet.
Rich Gaspari weighed EVERYTHING. Ronnie was nothing like that.
And Gaspari is supposed to get brownie points for using a scale?
Besides, once you've eaten so much chicken, you can pretty much eyeball how much you have on your plate and know how much you're consuming.
Again, per Chad Nicholls, nobody under his tutelage stuck to his diet better than Ronnie.
If Ronnie knows he needs to eat more......HE EATS MORE!! If he needs at least 50 grams of protein and he sees that one chicken breast is only 25 or 30, of course he's going to order another one.
Doing what is effective is part of a regimented diet.
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And Gaspari is supposed to get brownie points for using a scale?
Besides, once you've eaten so much chicken, you can pretty much eyeball how much you have on your plate and know how much you're consuming.
Again, per Chad Nicholls, nobody under his tutelage stuck to his diet better than Ronnie.
If Ronnie knows he needs to eat more......HE EATS MORE!! If he needs at least 50 grams of protein and he sees that one chicken breast is only 25 or 30, of course he's going to order another one.
Doing what is effective is part of a regimented diet.
This. Ronnie pushed the limits on his way to victory. Rich was great but he was very measured doing what it took to be 2nd best.
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Eating sucks. To reach the lifts I did off 1,100 calories daily is impressive. But I hate eating. It's certainly not too early to stop this cycle. I can't eat.
Then DRINK! Break out the blender; throw in 2-3 eggs and some Greek yogurt; and guzzle it down. A cup and a half of Greek yogurt and 3 eggs give at least 500 calories and 40 grams of protein, with very little volume.
Plus, the weight gainers are of MUCH BETTER QUALITY now than the ones I used back in the day. Based on my schedule, there were days where I ate 1,000 calories max in solid food. The rest was commercial weight gainers (i.e. Mega Mass 2000, N-Large) and/or milk and egg shakes (or what I deemed "Poor Man's Met-Rx").
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This. Ronnie pushed the limits on his way to victory. Rich was great but he was very measured doing what it took to be 2nd best.
And from the looks of those plates, I'm not so sure Ronnie is even eating chicken breasts. He might be eating chicken tenderloins, which is a bit cheaper. The meat looks to be in long strips.
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Ronnie Coleman pounded his body so hard it started giving up on him and he started falling apart.
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Once again, "proper nutrition" is whatever gets the job done for that particular bodybuilder.
And it's not as if Ronnie doesn't dig chicken breasts. On the contrary, he loves them. But, he doesn't just eat two or three. THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF HIS PLATE is covered with chicken.
Chad Nicholls vouches for him more than anyone, claiming that NO client that he's ever had stuck to his diet the way Ronnie did.
Lest we also forget, Ronnie did this and won half his Olympias, working as a full-time cop. If that's not dedication, what is?
I'm sure you've seen him, stuffing his face with chicken in his squad car.
Yep, and in the texas heat too. He was burning calories just being outside that 100 degree weather and working out at a gym with no AC
I’ve seen Ronnie train a dozen times during the 2003/2004 olympia days, he was def one of a kind
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And Gaspari is supposed to get brownie points for using a scale?
Besides, once you've eaten so much chicken, you can pretty much eyeball how much you have on your plate and know how much you're consuming.
Again, per Chad Nicholls, nobody under his tutelage stuck to his diet better than Ronnie.
If Ronnie knows he needs to eat more......HE EATS MORE!! If he needs at least 50 grams of protein and he sees that one chicken breast is only 25 or 30, of course he's going to order another one.
Doing what is effective is part of a regimented diet.
You're a bald old man who undoubtedly looks like garbage.
Ronnie just "ate whatever" - that's my point. He was never counting calories or macros. It was sheer coincidence he ate enough, based on everything I've seen of Ronnie.
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You're a bald old man who undoubtedly looks like garbage.
LMFAO
I figured after a point you just "know" how much to eat, much like how pros don't keep a logbook or bother with 2.5lb plates. You can probably make up for any excess calories on the back end w cardio & drugs
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Jays one of the smartest and richest, Ronnie cant walk, so Jay wins...
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Jay cutler is the worst mr Olympia ever besides that Muslim turd ramy 50 inch waist no veins only became mr Olympia because he was white pure dog shit
Someones melting... ::)
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LMFAO
I figured after a point you just "know" how much to eat, much like how pros don't keep a logbook or bother with 2.5lb plates. You can probably make up for any excess calories on the back end w cardio & drugs
That's true too...but I don't know...I see Jay nailing all his macros were more often than Ronnie.
IMO, the major difference was genetics.
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Thanks for sharing this.
And that was my point exactly Ronnie’s was dedicated to his diet just as much as Jay was BUT the drugs made all the difference.
Ronnie and Jay are 2 of the best ever and of course they are also the most dedicated BUT I think Ron was more dedicated and if I’m being honest with myself idk what that really means. I do think Mr. O’s are crowned because they are willing to go a little further than everyone else whether it’s diet, drugs, training…
No problem. Needed to be said since we often think of dirty food as cheating and it is sometimes but other times a necessity.
I think Jay basically said he was maxed out on drugs when he was trying to catch up to Ronnie. In 1999 it was rumored that Ronnie would use a temporary feeding tube at night…that’s the level of trench warfare at that time.
18 iu of growth was normal for pros back then and I think I heard 36 was the spot where anything more was not needed. I never went over 10, I don’t know how they stayed awake even after taking in caffeine I could still nap.
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Tom Platz comes to mind. As well as Jay, Ray and Mason (the Cutler Clan)
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You're a bald old man who undoubtedly looks like garbage.
Ronnie just "ate whatever" - that's my point. He was never counting calories or macros. It was sheer coincidence he ate enough, based on everything I've seen of Ronnie.
SO, unless Ronnie is standing around his table with a scale and a calculator, he doesn't know what he's doing?
You don't become an 8-time Mr. Olympia by sheer coincidence.
Ronnie didn't just eat whatever. His advisor has stated such on numerous occasions. The fact you're stuck on thinking some canned formula on how to eat is the only way to do things, pretty much tells the story.
BTW, what is this "boring natural training" of which you speak (from the other thread)?
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That's true too...but I don't know...I see Jay nailing all his macros were more often than Ronnie.
IMO, the major difference was genetics.
When you win 8 Olympias (and several other pro shows), most of which while working a full-time job, it's safe to say Ronnie was "nailing his macros".
Jay Cutler fed his body what it needed when it needed it.....HE GREW!!
Ronnie Coleman fed his body what it needed when it needed it.....HE GREW!!
It's as simple as that.
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Tom Platz comes to mind. As well as Jay, Ray and Mason (the Cutler Clan)
Yeah, nice mention of Platz. Took his genetics to the max. I think 81’ Olympia was his. 80’ Olympia didn’t make the top 7 then next year made some great improvements.
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I’d say Ronnie. Worked a real job while bodybuilding until an Olympia win.
Back then Jay was boring. Typical bodybuilding day of eating, sleeping, training, and occasional errand runs.
And, he won 2-3 more Olympias while still working that job.
I believe he did so to keep his health insurance and ultimately retired with those benefits.
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I worked out at the same gym as Jay. He was a cool guy but there is no way he was the hardest working bodybuilder ever.
The irony is that it's not about who trains the ''hardest'', no, too much extreme training can throw you into overtrained state in a heartbeat, it's about results and training smart (which means DON'T kill yourself in the gym!)
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The irony is that it's not about who trains the ''hardest'', no, too much extreme training can throw you into overtrained state in a heartbeat, it's about results and training smart (which means DON'T kill yourself in the gym!)
Pam where would be a good place to kill yourself?
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I'd have to say Dorian.
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Jay cutler is the worst mr Olympia ever besides that Muslim turd ramy 50 inch waist no veins only became mr Olympia because he was white pure dog shit
120 - 108 the black guy.
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Pam where would be a good place to kill yourself?
Why ask such negative question??
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The irony is that it's not about who trains the ''hardest'', no, too much extreme training can throw you into overtrained state in a heartbeat, it's about results and training smart (which means DON'T kill yourself in the gym!)
Jay won out in the long term, still won 4 and close to 50 and seems to have his health and looks in shape
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Why ask such negative question??
You were the one talking about not killing yourself in the gym. So I asked where a good place would be? That’s negative?
You are the one talking about killing your self. Why are you so negative?
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And, he won 2-3 more Olympias while still working that job.
I believe he did so to keep his health insurance and ultimately retired with those benefits.
My friend at the time said he was reserve, some type of part time officer that keeps the benefits. That all changed later though.
One thing about Ronnie also is he didn’t just do one show a year. I think that’s a big issue now is that guys only do bare minimum everything except drugs. Looking back at shows from 80s and 90s is much more motivating since the physiques are so different.
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My friend at the time said he was reserve, some type of part time officer that keeps the benefits. That all changed later though.
One thing about Ronnie also is he didn’t just do one show a year. I think that’s a big issue now is that guys only do bare minimum everything except drugs. Looking back at shows from 80s and 90s is much more motivating since the physiques are so different.
He won the first three or four as a full-time cop; then, he went to the reserves and won the rest. That "Ronnie Coleman: The Unbelievable" video was filmed in 2000, when he'd already won it twice.
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Yep, and in the texas heat too. He was burning calories just being outside that 100 degree weather and working out at a gym with no AC
I’ve seen Ronnie train a dozen times during the 2003/2004 olympia days, he was def one of a kind
Being in the heat doesn’t burn calories even remotely as much as being cold. The body doesn’t burn energy to cool off. You sweat. It takes energy to produce heat. When the body is cold it becomes very inefficient and burns FAR more calories than normal in attempt to warm.
Not at all being a contrarian - just pointing that out. Many people equate sweating with fat loss and of course exercise does burn calories, but taking an ice bath can create visible results overnight.
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Being in the heat doesn’t burn calories even remotely as much as being cold. The body doesn’t burn energy to cool off. You sweat. It takes energy to produce heat. When the body is cold it becomes very inefficient and burns FAR more calories than normal in attempt to warm.
Not at all being a contrarian - just pointing that out. Many people equate sweating with fat loss and of course exercise does burn calories, but taking an ice bath can create visible results overnight.
Great Point I snowboard in the winter and it will pull the fat off you quick
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Being in the heat doesn’t burn calories even remotely as much as being cold. The body doesn’t burn energy to cool off. You sweat. It takes energy to produce heat. When the body is cold it becomes very inefficient and burns FAR more calories than normal in attempt to warm.
Not at all being a contrarian - just pointing that out. Many people equate sweating with fat loss and of course exercise does burn calories, but taking an ice bath can create visible results in your penis size overnight.
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