Was JAY the most dedicated hardest working BB ever??

[oldschoolfan]

Jay cutler is the worst mr Olympia ever besides that Muslim turd ramy 50 inch waist no veins only became mr Olympia because he was white pure dog shit

[MCWAY]

Ronnie was eating french fries with barbecue sauce up until showday

Ronnie probably burned the calories from that BBQ sauce in all of 5 minutes, once he stepped into that inferno with weights that he called a gym.

[MCWAY]

Nah. I don't believe that. Why the fuck show Ronnie go to the Outback Steakhouse three times or whatever, if he was truly dedicated to proper nutrition. Dude clearly just "ate whatever", and let his genetics to the rest.

The ultimate proof to that was when Ronnie was at the Outback Steakhouse [I think the second time], and looked at the chicken breast and said "That's small - maybe I should get another."

LMAO. YEP, CLEARLY A BODYBUILDER WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT NUTRITION AND PROPER MACROS.

Meanwhile Jay did everything he possibly could to keep himself in an anabolic environment - and I know of NO ONE who did more.

NOW - are you to interpret this threat title as a comparison of training styles? Then Ronnie wins, and it's not even close.

Or is it a comparison of nutrition and dedication to diet? Then it's Jay, no question.

I interpreted the title as being a comparison of overall commitment to the bodybuilding lifestyle.

"That [chicken breast's] small. Maybe I should get another." - Ronnie Coleman.

LMAO. Clearly the words of someone who gave a shit about nitrogen balance and giving his body the tools necessary for hypertrophy.

As for Ronnie doing more than shown on the DVD - no, no...I think the 17 times he went to the Outback Steakhouse in the DVD really said it all.

Disgusting Matt C level dedication to nutrition.

Once again, "proper nutrition" is whatever gets the job done for that particular bodybuilder.

And it's not as if Ronnie doesn't dig chicken breasts. On the contrary, he loves them. But, he doesn't just eat two or three. THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF HIS PLATE is covered with chicken.

Chad Nicholls vouches for him more than anyone, claiming that NO client that he's ever had stuck to his diet the way Ronnie did.

Lest we also forget, Ronnie did this and won half his Olympias, working as a full-time cop. If that's not dedication, what is?

I'm sure you've seen him, stuffing his face with chicken in his squad car.

[Matt]

Once again, "proper nutrition" is whatever gets the job done for that particular bodybuilder.

And it's not as if Ronnie doesn't dig chicken breasts. On the contrary, he loves them. But, he doesn't just eat two or three. THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF HIS PLATE is covered with chicken.

Chad Nicholls vouches for him more than anyone, claiming that NO client that he's ever had stuck to his diet the way Ronnie did.

Lest we also forget, Ronnie did this and won half his Olympias, working as a full-time cop. If that's not dedication, what is?

I'm sure you've seen him, stuffing his face with chicken in his squad car.

Saying that a piece of chicken "looks small", and haphazardly ordering another one is NOT someone following a regimented diet.

Rich Gaspari weighed EVERYTHING. Ronnie was nothing like that.

[Dave D]

Saying that a piece of chicken "looks small", and haphazardly ordering another one is NOT someone following a regimented diet.

Rich Gaspari weighed EVERYTHING. Ronnie was nothing like that.

If Gaspari ate a little more he may have weighed enough to beat Haney.

Matt you have to eat big to get big or you’ll be small if you eat small.

[Matt]

If Gaspari ate a little more he may have weighed enough to beat Haney.

Matt you have to eat big to get big or you’ll be small if you eat small.

Eating sucks. To reach the lifts I did off 1,100 calories daily is impressive. But I hate eating. It's certainly not too early to stop this cycle. I can't eat.

[MCWAY]

Saying that a piece of chicken "looks small", and haphazardly ordering another one is NOT someone following a regimented diet.

Rich Gaspari weighed EVERYTHING. Ronnie was nothing like that.

And Gaspari is supposed to get brownie points for using a scale?

Besides, once you've eaten so much chicken, you can pretty much eyeball how much you have on your plate and know how much you're consuming.

Again, per Chad Nicholls, nobody under his tutelage stuck to his diet better than Ronnie.

If Ronnie knows he needs to eat more......HE EATS MORE!! If he needs at least 50 grams of protein and he sees that one chicken breast is only 25 or 30, of course he's going to order another one.

Doing what is effective is part of a regimented diet.

[Dave D]

And Gaspari is supposed to get brownie points for using a scale?

Besides, once you've eaten so much chicken, you can pretty much eyeball how much you have on your plate and know how much you're consuming.

Again, per Chad Nicholls, nobody under his tutelage stuck to his diet better than Ronnie.

If Ronnie knows he needs to eat more......HE EATS MORE!! If he needs at least 50 grams of protein and he sees that one chicken breast is only 25 or 30, of course he's going to order another one.

Doing what is effective is part of a regimented diet.

This. Ronnie pushed the limits on his way to victory. Rich was great but he was very measured doing what it took to be 2nd best.

[MCWAY]

Eating sucks. To reach the lifts I did off 1,100 calories daily is impressive. But I hate eating. It's certainly not too early to stop this cycle. I can't eat.

Then DRINK! Break out the blender; throw in 2-3 eggs and some Greek yogurt; and guzzle it down. A cup and a half of Greek yogurt and 3 eggs give at least 500 calories and 40 grams of protein, with very little volume.

Plus, the weight gainers are of MUCH BETTER QUALITY now than the ones I used back in the day. Based on my schedule, there were days where I ate 1,000 calories max in solid food. The rest was commercial weight gainers (i.e. Mega Mass 2000, N-Large) and/or milk and egg shakes (or what I deemed "Poor Man's Met-Rx").

[MCWAY]

This. Ronnie pushed the limits on his way to victory. Rich was great but he was very measured doing what it took to be 2nd best.

And from the looks of those plates, I'm not so sure Ronnie is even eating chicken breasts. He might be eating chicken tenderloins, which is a bit cheaper. The meat looks to be in long strips.

[MAXX]

Ronnie Coleman pounded his body so hard it started giving up on him and he started falling apart.

[Bevo]

Once again, "proper nutrition" is whatever gets the job done for that particular bodybuilder.

And it's not as if Ronnie doesn't dig chicken breasts. On the contrary, he loves them. But, he doesn't just eat two or three. THE ENTIRE CIRCUMFERENCE OF HIS PLATE is covered with chicken.

Chad Nicholls vouches for him more than anyone, claiming that NO client that he's ever had stuck to his diet the way Ronnie did.

Lest we also forget, Ronnie did this and won half his Olympias, working as a full-time cop. If that's not dedication, what is?

I'm sure you've seen him, stuffing his face with chicken in his squad car.

Yep, and in the texas heat too. He was burning calories just being outside that 100 degree weather and working out at a gym with no AC

I’ve seen Ronnie train a dozen times during the 2003/2004 olympia days, he was def one of a kind

[Matt]

And Gaspari is supposed to get brownie points for using a scale?

Besides, once you've eaten so much chicken, you can pretty much eyeball how much you have on your plate and know how much you're consuming.

Again, per Chad Nicholls, nobody under his tutelage stuck to his diet better than Ronnie.

If Ronnie knows he needs to eat more......HE EATS MORE!! If he needs at least 50 grams of protein and he sees that one chicken breast is only 25 or 30, of course he's going to order another one.

Doing what is effective is part of a regimented diet.

You're a bald old man who undoubtedly looks like garbage.

Ronnie just "ate whatever" - that's my point. He was never counting calories or macros. It was sheer coincidence he ate enough, based on everything I've seen of Ronnie.

[ProudVirgin69]

You're a bald old man who undoubtedly looks like garbage.

LMFAO

I figured after a point you just "know" how much to eat, much like how pros don't keep a logbook or bother with 2.5lb plates.  You can probably make up for any excess calories on the back end w cardio & drugs

[Gym-Rat]

Jays one of the smartest and richest, Ronnie cant walk, so Jay wins...

[Gym-Rat]

Jay cutler is the worst mr Olympia ever besides that Muslim turd ramy 50 inch waist no veins only became mr Olympia because he was white pure dog shit

Someones melting...

[Matt]

LMFAO

I figured after a point you just "know" how much to eat, much like how pros don't keep a logbook or bother with 2.5lb plates.  You can probably make up for any excess calories on the back end w cardio & drugs

That's true too...but I don't know...I see Jay nailing all his macros were more often than Ronnie.

IMO, the major difference was genetics.

[youandme]

Thanks for sharing this.

And that was my point exactly Ronnie’s was dedicated to his diet just as much as Jay was BUT the drugs made all the difference.

Ronnie and Jay are 2 of the best ever and of course they are also the most dedicated BUT I think Ron was more dedicated and if I’m being honest with myself idk what that really means.  I do think Mr. O’s are crowned because they are willing to go a little further than everyone else whether it’s diet, drugs, training…

No problem. Needed to be said since we often think of dirty food as cheating and it is sometimes but other times a necessity.

I think Jay basically said he was maxed out on drugs when he was trying to catch up to Ronnie. In 1999 it was rumored that Ronnie would use a temporary feeding tube at night…that’s the level of trench warfare at that time.

18 iu of growth was normal for pros back then and I think I heard 36 was the spot where anything more was not needed. I never went over 10, I don’t know how they stayed awake even after taking in caffeine I could still nap.

[Rambone]

Tom Platz comes to mind. As well as Jay, Ray and Mason (the Cutler Clan)

[MCWAY]

You're a bald old man who undoubtedly looks like garbage.

Ronnie just "ate whatever" - that's my point. He was never counting calories or macros. It was sheer coincidence he ate enough, based on everything I've seen of Ronnie.

SO, unless Ronnie is standing around his table with a scale and a calculator, he doesn't know what he's doing?

You don't become an 8-time Mr. Olympia by sheer coincidence.

Ronnie didn't just eat whatever. His advisor has stated such on numerous occasions. The fact you're stuck on thinking some canned formula on how to eat is the only way to do things, pretty much tells the story.

BTW, what is this "boring natural training" of which you speak (from the other thread)?

[MCWAY]

That's true too...but I don't know...I see Jay nailing all his macros were more often than Ronnie.

IMO, the major difference was genetics.

When you win 8 Olympias (and several other pro shows), most of which while working a full-time job, it's safe to say Ronnie was "nailing his macros".

Jay Cutler fed his body what it needed when it needed it.....HE GREW!!

Ronnie Coleman fed his body what it needed when it needed it.....HE GREW!!

It's as simple as that.

[youandme]

Tom Platz comes to mind. As well as Jay, Ray and Mason (the Cutler Clan)

Yeah, nice mention of Platz. Took his genetics to the max. I think 81’ Olympia was his. 80’ Olympia didn’t make the top 7 then next year made some great improvements.

[MCWAY]

I’d say Ronnie. Worked a real job while bodybuilding until an Olympia win.

Back then Jay was boring. Typical bodybuilding day of eating, sleeping, training, and occasional errand runs.

And, he won 2-3 more Olympias while still working that job.

I believe he did so to keep his health insurance and ultimately retired with those benefits.

[pamith]

I worked out at the same gym as Jay. He was a cool guy but there is no way he was the hardest working bodybuilder ever.

The irony is that it's not about who trains the ''hardest'', no, too much extreme training can throw you into overtrained state in a heartbeat, it's about results and training smart (which means DON'T kill yourself in the gym!)

[Dave D]

The irony is that it's not about who trains the ''hardest'', no, too much extreme training can throw you into overtrained state in a heartbeat, it's about results and training smart (which means DON'T kill yourself in the gym!)

Pam where would be a good place to kill yourself?