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Title: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Marty Champions on October 14, 2022, 06:06:48 AM
why are the people on dialysis fed a steady stream of carbs?

Should we just not give them carbs and let them die since carbs arent essenntial, fagget?
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 06:20:56 AM
"Dialysate, also called dialysis fluid, dialysis solution or bath, is a solution of pure water, electrolytes and salts, such as bicarbonate and sodium."
https://www.davita.com/treatment-services/dialysis/in-center-hemodialysis/what-is-hemodialysis

Essential nutrients are required for normal body function and cannot be made by the body or cannot be made in amounts adequate for good health and therefore must be obtained by the diet.

The body can make carbohydrates from protein and fat, but it cannot make essential amino acids and essential fatty acids.

Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 06:36:01 AM
Adding glucose to dialysis solution is not only unnecessary, but it's likely harmful:

Hemodialysate solutions often contain high concentrations of glucose (up to 200 mg/dL). The historical reasons for the addition of glucose to the dialysate included: (1) aid in performance of ultrafiltration and (2) minimization of nutritional (caloric) losses during dialysis. However, recent experimental evidence supports the fact that exposure to high levels of glucose may be pro-inflammatory. Given the high morbidity and mortality associated with dialysis and its linkage to chronic inflammation, the routine use of glucose in the dialysate may warrant reexamination.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18394054/
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 14, 2022, 07:44:11 AM
If carbs were essential for life the Inuit population would have been completely extinct centuries ago.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 14, 2022, 07:45:49 AM
Marty, does that answer your questions?
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: MAXX on October 14, 2022, 08:10:55 AM
It's not essential but it's not optimal for performance to be without. Nor is it an optimal diet for gaining or retaining muscle mass. The human body is the most efficiant at utilizing carbohydrates for energy. The biological process of gluconeogenesis is solid proof of that where during intense stress(like weight lifting) the body will utilize amino acids for fuel and part of that your muscle tissue. Ofcourse your body after long time of fasting can turn into ketogenesis but even then during intense stress the body will still partly utilize gluconeogenesis.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: slow and steady on October 14, 2022, 08:53:52 AM
why are the people on dialysis fed a steady stream of carbs?

Should we just not give them carbs and let them die since carbs arent essenntial, fagget?

the body makes it's own carbs - so yeah they are probably essential, but  that doesn't mean we have to eat them, anymore than we need to drink blood
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 14, 2022, 09:52:07 AM
The argument is a bit dishonest. Just because you can live without something doesn’t automatically mean you’re better off without it.

The Ketards like to use this argument but they don’t explain why the brain’s default fuel is glucose and Ketones are only used in glucoses’ absence.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 14, 2022, 09:56:58 AM
I think our ancestors performed quite well surviving the ice age without a single plant🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 14, 2022, 10:02:59 AM
Our history indicates that we’re omnivores as our ancestors had to eat whatever they could get their hands on to survive.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 14, 2022, 10:05:03 AM
Our history indicates that we’re omnivores as our ancestors had to eat whatever they could get their hands on to survive.
Explain the ice age, Explain the Inuit? There's zero plants growing in snow/ice brother.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 14, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
Explain the ice age, Explain the Inuit? There's zero plants growing in snow/ice brother.

They seem to confirm that we’re omnivores. They were able to survive on what was available to them in their environment. Groups in other parts of the world survived on different diets.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: joswift on October 14, 2022, 10:47:42 AM
fats are more important than protein

Just google Rabbit Starvation
Eating very lean meats can be fatal, you get toxin build ups

At certain times of the year inuits can only eat Caribou that are very lean as they cant get seal meat due to the sea freezing over and the seals migrating
They have to eat pounds and pounds of caribou to survive,
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 11:33:56 AM
the body makes it's own carbs - so yeah they are probably essential, but  that doesn't mean we have to eat them, anymore than we need to drink blood

In the context of nutrition, "essential" means the body cannot make its own.  So in this context, carbs are not essential.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: joswift on October 14, 2022, 11:38:29 AM
carbs are the reason for the worlds obesity problem


Simple shitty cheap carbs are cheap, almost always BOGOF offers in supermarkets

Low fat diets were pushed to create the obesity epidemic

Why do you think the Atkins diet was ridiculed back in the 80s?
It was because companies didnt like the idea of people not eating carbs, way too much money involved

Same reason now why meat is getting such a bad rap (eating meat is affecting the climate)

Now they want everyone vegan so they end up asexual weaklings
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 11:41:48 AM
It's not essential but it's not optimal for performance to be without. Nor is it an optimal diet for gaining or retaining muscle mass. The human body is the most efficiant at utilizing carbohydrates for energy.

Plenty of people and studies out there proving this isn't true.  It might be true for professional, elite athletes and bodybuilders.  However, it isn't true for the general population.  You can most definitely perform very well in most athletic activities, build muscle and strength on a well formulated keto diet.

The biological process of gluconeogenesis is solid proof of that where during intense stress(like weight lifting) the body will utilize amino acids for fuel and part of that your muscle tissue. Ofcourse your body after long time of fasting can turn into ketogenesis but even then during intense stress the body will still partly utilize gluconeogenesis.

For gluconeogenesis the body uses both protein and fat too to create glucose.  In people on a very low carb, high fat diet, the body uses more fat than protein to create glucose.  Ketones are muscle sparing.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 11:43:59 AM
They seem to confirm that we’re omnivores. They were able to survive on what was available to them in their environment. Groups in other parts of the world survived on different diets.

Correct.  Humans are omnivores, which gives us a survival advantage over carnivores and herbivores.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 11:49:29 AM
The argument is a bit dishonest. Just because you can live without something doesn’t automatically mean you’re better off without it.

The Ketards like to use this argument but they don’t explain why the brain’s default fuel is glucose and Ketones are only used in glucoses’ absence.

The argument is honest, and eye opening to most people in an era when fat and protein are vilified and we are told that carbs are essential and that our diet should be mostly carbs.

Many people are so obese and sick, they'd do well to eat a very low carb, high fat diet.  However their doctors and most nutritionists will tell them carbs are essential and that a low carb diet will kill them.

Eating 150g carbs per day is far from a keto diet, yet that's probably the most the general population should consume.  Instead most people consume 300g+ carbs per day, as prescribed by governments and health organizations.  No wonder we have obesity and diabetes epidemics.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: joswift on October 14, 2022, 12:02:14 PM
I have been on 60gms carbs 6 days a week for the last 4 weeks
I have no trouble at all energy wise and my blood sugar levels are always normal.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 12:09:23 PM
I have been on 60gms carbs 6 days a week for the last 4 weeks
I have no trouble at all energy wise and my blood sugar levels are always normal.

Good for you.  I have been on a less than 20g carbs per day, very fatty meat (mostly beef) heavy diet consistently for over 3 years.

How have I been able to stay on such a diet consistently for so long?

Other than the fact that I'm staying fit while eating only delicious foods daily until I'm very full, this diet has significantly improved my physical, mental, and emotional health, and continues to do so to this day.  I have no desire to go back to my old days of poor health and crappy foods.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Teutonic Knight on October 14, 2022, 12:13:56 PM
If carbs were essential for life the Inuit population would have been completely extinct centuries ago.

All that protein & fat  ???, but they didn't grow too much !.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 12:23:36 PM
All that protein & fat  ???, but they didn't grow too much !.

They were fit and very strong.  They had to be in order to pull very large walrus, seals, etc. out of the water.

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-30-2015/nBOKiw.gif)

(https://thousandmovieproject.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/nanook-gif-1.gif?w=320&h=180)

But they didn't grow too much like the majority of the carb eating populations.

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Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 14, 2022, 12:42:32 PM
It’s the combination of carbs and fats.

Pretty much all the palatable high carb foods are also high fat: Pizza, ice cream, cookies, cakes, all fast food meals.

Keto certainly works well for weight loss but part of the reason is that by eliminating carbs you take out a lot of fats in the process.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 14, 2022, 12:59:20 PM
It’s the combination of carbs and fats.

Pretty much all the palatable high carb foods are also high fat: Pizza, ice cream, cookies, cakes, all fast food meals.

Keto certainly works well for weight loss but part of the reason is that by eliminating carbs you take out a lot of fats in the process.

A well formulated keto diet is very high fat, moderate protein.  But yes, by doing keto the right way, you'd be eliminating lots of ultra-processed foods that are high in both carbs and fats (industrial "vegetable" oils).

Keto, when done right, works well not only for weight loss, but also to resolve many health problems.  It certainly worked for me.  I didn't start keto to lose weight.

Keto works for weight loss for many reasons, one of which is controlling insulin levels.  When blood insulin is high, fat burning cannot happen because burning blood glucose and storing it, as glycogen and as fat, takes highest priority until blood glucose levels are back to normal.

It's no surprise what happens to a person's body composition when their blood glucose and insulin levels are high all day, every day, for decades because they consume too many carbs.

(https://assets-global.website-files.com/5d7c052c0f58baaa735fb258/5d7c1373d27da2190c1a5458_Calorie-Types-1.jpeg)
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 14, 2022, 02:00:28 PM
Today's "low fat" processed foods are generally high in carbs.

Carbs are readily converted to glucose and spike insulin levels and stress the pancreas, resulting in the excess glucose that cannot be stored in the muscles being stored as fat.

Eating the western low fat/high carb/high calorie diet makes you fat.

Unfortunately, a low carb diet is more expensive.  Carbs are cheap.

A high carb, low fat, low calorie diet can work also but you will always be hungry.  It is difficult to sustain over a long period.

A low carb, high fat diet is satiating and sustainable.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: bhank on October 14, 2022, 02:05:07 PM
How Many Inuits are on the Olympia stage? Y'all arguing if carbs are essential I need a godamn Coca Cola and fried chicken on occasion that shit is essential fucking bitches probably peal the skin off your baked chicken
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 14, 2022, 02:24:48 PM
How Many Inuits are on the Olympia stage? Y'all arguing if carbs are essential I need a godamn Coca Cola and fried chicken on occasion that shit is essential fucking bitches probably peal the skin off your baked chicken
The title is discussing carbohydrates and the need for them in the human body, the topic has nothing to do with building muscle, competitive bodybuilding. But in that context, the guys is the 70s who all followed primarily high fat/high protein, Vince Gironda's Steak and Eggs diet, all had healthy glowing skin, full heads of hair (not a single bald guy back in those days), no stomach distention, very rare for a bodybuilder to get injured back then, no bodybuilders complaining of gastrointestinal distress/digestive issues despite using a lot of orals back then. Things that make you go hmmm🤔
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: GymnJuice on October 14, 2022, 03:53:54 PM
How Many Inuits are on the Olympia stage? Y'all arguing if carbs are essential I need a godamn Coca Cola and fried chicken on occasion that shit is essential fucking bitches probably peal the skin off your baked chicken

Aren't Inuits like indigenous Hobbits? I've seen a few of those on the stage...
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 14, 2022, 04:38:11 PM
Today's "low fat" processed foods are generally high in carbs.

Carbs are readily converted to glucose and spike insulin levels and stress the pancreas, resulting in the excess glucose that cannot be stored in the muscles being stored as fat.

Eating the western low fat/high carb/high calorie diet makes you fat.

Unfortunately, a low carb diet is more expensive.  Carbs are cheap.

A high carb, low fat, low calorie diet can work also but you will always be hungry.  It is difficult to sustain over a long period.

A low carb, high fat diet is satiating and sustainable.

The American diet is high everything. That’s why Americans as a group are fat fucks.

Just go to a casino buffet and watch how most of the people eat, fucking slobs.

While Keto does work, for most people it’s too restrictive and boredom sets in. That and Keto cookies taste like shit.

And if you’re gonna tell me you can’t be lean and eat a high percentage of carbs you have to explain low obesity rates among Japanese.

It really just comes down to having discipline and limiting caloric intake to some extent.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 14, 2022, 04:54:04 PM
The American diet is high everything. That’s why Americans as a group are fat fucks.

Just go to a casino buffet and watch how most of the people eat, fucking slobs.

While Keto does work, for most people it’s too restrictive and boredom sets in. That and Keto cookies taste like shit.

And if you’re gonna tell me you can’t be lean and eat a high percentage of carbs you have to explain low obesity rates among Japanese.

It really just comes down to having discipline and limiting caloric intake to some extent.

Processed keto foods are garbage.  They are usually not even keto and have too many carbs in them.

You can be lean eating a high carb diet.  You'll just be hungry all the time because you won't be able to eat much.  To stay lean you'll have to continuously be hungry and walk on a treadmill. Try it and see how you like it.

Chinese were lean and skinny eating rice because they were poor and starving.  Now that they are wealthier they can afford to eat more and their obesity rate is skyrocketing and so is their diabetes.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 14, 2022, 04:56:22 PM
How Many Inuits are on the Olympia stage? Y'all arguing if carbs are essential I need a godamn Coca Cola and fried chicken on occasion that shit is essential fucking bitches probably peal the skin off your baked chicken

Keep on eating all those carbs and your pancreas will give up.

All the fiber you are eating is also causing your digestive problems.

Try eating just fatty meat and nothing else.  Not breaded chicken though.  You'll feel better
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Marty Champions on October 14, 2022, 07:28:09 PM
Every reply has been stupid

Why do the give carbs to kidney patients, why not meat iv's?

Btw the pancreas shuts down wthout carbs, pancreatic cancer like patrick swayze
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: pamith on October 14, 2022, 08:38:05 PM
why are the people on dialysis fed a steady stream of carbs?

Should we just not give them carbs and let them die since carbs arent essenntial, fagget?
Bro...
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: pamith on October 15, 2022, 01:19:31 AM
Tbh I eat the anabolic diet, 5 days keto 2 days carb up
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 15, 2022, 01:40:40 AM
A person can eat plenty of carbs and fat if they fast a day or so a week. I know of a woman who weighed over 300 lbs who lost half her bodyweight by fasting every other day. She eats all the foods she likes on her feeding days.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: pamith on October 15, 2022, 01:44:57 AM
A person can eat plenty of carbs and fat if they fast a day or so a week. I know of a woman who weighed over 300 lbs who lost half her bodyweight by fasting every other day. She eats all the foods she likes on her feeding days.
Bro...
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 15, 2022, 04:44:03 AM
Every reply has been stupid

Why do the give carbs to kidney patients, why not meat iv's?

Btw the pancreas shuts down wthout carbs, pancreatic cancer like patrick swayze
The question is how many Inuit end up on dialysis?🤔
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: bhank on October 15, 2022, 06:13:20 AM
You can survive on anything with calories protein fat carbs whatever hell they have bacteria out there that don't even need oxygen or water but is that really how you want to live?
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 15, 2022, 06:16:22 AM
Processed keto foods are garbage.  They are usually not even keto and have too many carbs in them.

You can be lean eating a high carb diet.  You'll just be hungry all the time because you won't be able to eat much.  To stay lean you'll have to continuously be hungry and walk on a treadmill. Try it and see how you like it.

Chinese were lean and skinny eating rice because they were poor and starving.  Now that they are wealthier they can afford to eat more and their obesity rate is skyrocketing and so is their diabetes.

I said Japan. There’s nothing especially fattening about carbs. The problem is overconsumption:



https://www.echemi.com/cms/742131.html

Why Is Japan The Country With Lowest Obesity Rate?
  2022-06-23

In May 2020, the World HealthStatistics Report 2020 released by WHO showed that Japan is the country with lowestobesity rate of only 4.3%. Meanwhile, Japan has the longest healthy lifeexpectancy (74.8 years). Many people know that excessive intake ofcarbohydrates (such as rice noodles and other staple foods) is one of thereasons for obesity. So, why do Japanese people also like to eat carbohydratesfor three meals a day, but is Japan still the country with lowest obesity rate?
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 15, 2022, 06:59:28 AM
Why do the give carbs to kidney patients, why not meat iv's?

They don't always give carbs to kidney patients.  It's not required and it's not essential.  In fact kidney patients actually do better when carbs are not added to their dialysis solution.

Btw the pancreas shuts down wthout carbs

No.  The pancreas secretes insulin when fat and protein are consumed too, just not as much as it does when carbs are consumed.  That's a very good thing for low carb dieters.

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pancreatic cancer like patrick swayze

You mean pancreatic cancer like Steve Jobs, who ate only carbs?

Cancer doesn't care what diet you eat, how much you exercise, or what cult you belong to.  However, cancer cells do love carbs and thrive on very high carb diets.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Marty Champions on October 15, 2022, 07:27:02 AM
Exercise prevents cancer

Loco ur loco not because youre smart

Tell the dialysis doc they need more meat


Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 15, 2022, 07:41:25 AM
Exercise prevents cancer

Exercise doesn't prevent cancer.  It may help reduce the risk in some people, but plenty of people who exercise get cancer and many die from it.  Patrick Swayze exercised a lot.

Tell the dialysis doc they need more meat

Not all dialysis docs add carbs to the solution.  It's not required.  It's not essential.  Dialysis patients do better without carbs in their dialysis solution.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: joswift on October 15, 2022, 07:45:12 AM
You can survive on anything with calories protein fat carbs whatever hell they have bacteria out there that don't even need oxygen or water but is that really how you want to live?

why do your posts never add anything constructive to a discussion?
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: bhank on October 15, 2022, 07:46:53 AM
why do your posts never add anything constructive to a discussion?

Why is the discussion retarded yes you can survive without carbs you can also survive without protein or fat you can literally survive on any kind of calorie at all doesn't make it optimal
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 15, 2022, 07:48:02 AM
Why is the discussion retarded yes you can survive without carbs you can also survive without protein or fat you can literally survive on any kind of calorie at all doesn't make it optimal

No.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Marty Champions on October 15, 2022, 07:50:26 AM
The question is how many Inuit end up on dialysis?🤔
Eskimos have the highest rate of osteoperosis  and most likely need dat dere dialysis
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: joswift on October 15, 2022, 07:54:45 AM
Eskimos have the highest rate of osteoperosis  and most likely need dat dere dialysis
Dialysis is for kidneys not bone degeneration..
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: bhank on October 15, 2022, 08:27:40 AM
No.

So you are telling me if you just ate carbs and drank water you would die due to lack of protein and fat? Approx how long do you think this would take for the lack of protein and fat to kill someone what would be the exact organ to fail?
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: joswift on October 15, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
So you are telling me if you just ate carbs and drank water you would die due to lack of protein and fat? Approx how long do you think this would take for the lack of protein and fat to kill someone what would be the exact organ to fail?
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We can live a whole lifetime (after infancy) without eating any carbohydrate, and we can live for 6 months or more without eating any fat, depending on how much fat we have on our bodies to begin with. However, we have no way to store proteins and can only live for a maximum of 70 days without eating any protein.
https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/protein
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: GymnJuice on October 15, 2022, 08:32:34 AM
Why is the discussion retarded yes you can survive without carbs you can also survive without protein or fat you can literally survive on any kind of calorie at all doesn't make it optimal

There are essential fatty acids. I think it's not impossible to have a deficiency of those, but pretty rare.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: bhank on October 15, 2022, 08:37:59 AM
There are essential fatty acids. I think it's not impossible to have a deficiency of those, but pretty rare.

There are essential sugars as well which are carbs as well 8-10 depending how you classify them
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 15, 2022, 08:52:11 AM
The lack of basic nutritional knowledge in this thread by some is absolutely embarrassing.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 15, 2022, 09:40:48 AM
Tbh I eat the anabolic diet, 5 days keto 2 days carb up

I've been doing that lately too.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 15, 2022, 11:46:53 AM
We can live a whole lifetime (after infancy) without eating any carbohydrate, and we can live for 6 months or more without eating any fat, depending on how much fat we have on our bodies to begin with. However, we have no way to store proteins and can only live for a maximum of 70 days without eating any protein.
https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/protein

Good post.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 15, 2022, 11:52:57 AM
There are essential sugars as well which are carbs as well 8-10 depending how you classify them

(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg)

The lack of basic nutritional knowledge in this thread by some is absolutely embarrassing.

Indeed.  You'd expect better from bodybuilders.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 15, 2022, 12:42:12 PM
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/deja_q_hd_046_resized_6484.jpg)

Indeed.  You'd expect better from bodybuilders.
It's quite sad really, especially for Johnny Falcon, the guy had top tier pussy pulling genetics and threw them all away to eat a bunch of plants.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Marty Champions on October 15, 2022, 07:00:41 PM
Why is keto kid afraid of carbs? Does he feel he is superior by eliminating an entire macro?

Im not buying it
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 15, 2022, 07:24:36 PM
Why is keto kid afraid of carbs? Does he feel he is superior by eliminating an entire macro?

Im not buying it
I've done every diet you can imagine,  Vegan, paleo, pescaterian, keto, high carb/high protein/low fat, etc. I've never felt better in my entire life than I have since going carnivore. I've won multiple bodybuilding shows having to go super low fat, doing tons of cardio, reducing calories as low as 1600 to get shredded.  On this diet I effortlessly stay shredded on 3500-4000 calories daily. I've never felt more energetic, powerful, horny, recovery, all my little aches and pains from training completely gone, skin glowing and clear, zero bloat, zero digestive distress, I can't even tell you the last time I farted or burped. This is how a human is supposed to feel, supposed to function. All I've eaten In the past 11 months are Pasture raised eggs, grass fed ground beef, uncured sugar free bacon, grass fed beef liver, and raw milk. There's a reason why thousands are healing themselves through carnivore and its growing by the day. It's sad to me after all these years you've been on this board, that you're still struggling with nutrition, understanding nutrition, understanding energy, maximizing performance, quality of life.
Like I said there's a reason why the guys in the 70s worked out twice a day 6 days a week, they all had hair, good complexions, nice healthy muscle. Steak and eggs, the most nutrient dense bioavailable foods on the planet behind liver.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 16, 2022, 05:03:10 AM
I said Japan. There’s nothing especially fattening about carbs. The problem is overconsumption:



https://www.echemi.com/cms/742131.html

Why Is Japan The Country With Lowest Obesity Rate?
  2022-06-23

In May 2020, the World HealthStatistics Report 2020 released by WHO showed that Japan is the country with lowestobesity rate of only 4.3%. Meanwhile, Japan has the longest healthy lifeexpectancy (74.8 years). Many people know that excessive intake ofcarbohydrates (such as rice noodles and other staple foods) is one of thereasons for obesity. So, why do Japanese people also like to eat carbohydratesfor three meals a day, but is Japan still the country with lowest obesity rate?

All -ese are alike.  I defy you to pick a particular one out of a lineup.

 :D
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 16, 2022, 05:05:50 AM
How Many Inuits are on the Olympia stage? Y'all arguing if carbs are essential I need a godamn Coca Cola and fried chicken on occasion that shit is essential fucking bitches probably peal the skin off your baked chicken

How many on the Olympia stage can wrestle a walrus or for that matter, even walk up a flight of stairs without gassing?

How many Inuits shit blood like you?
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: GymnJuice on October 16, 2022, 05:23:50 AM
How many on the Olympia stage can wrestle a walrus or for that matter, even walk up a flight of stairs without gassing?

How many Inuits shit blood like you?

Nobody can shit blood like Bhanky. And if you don't believe him he'll post pics as proof.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 16, 2022, 07:44:55 AM
All -ese are alike.  I defy you to pick a particular one out of a lineup.

 :D

How many on the Olympia stage can wrestle a walrus or for that matter, even walk up a flight of stairs without gassing?

How many Inuits shit blood like you?

LOL   :D
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 17, 2022, 12:36:21 AM
I've done every diet you can imagine,  Vegan, paleo, pescaterian, keto, high carb/high protein/low fat, etc. I've never felt better in my entire life than I have since going carnivore. I've won multiple bodybuilding shows having to go super low fat, doing tons of cardio, reducing calories as low as 1600 to get shredded.  On this diet I effortlessly stay shredded on 3500-4000 calories daily. I've never felt more energetic, powerful, horny, recovery, all my little aches and pains from training completely gone, skin glowing and clear, zero bloat, zero digestive distress, I can't even tell you the last time I farted or burped. This is how a human is supposed to feel, supposed to function. All I've eaten In the past 11 months are Pasture raised eggs, grass fed ground beef, uncured sugar free bacon, grass fed beef liver, and raw milk. There's a reason why thousands are healing themselves through carnivore and its growing by the day. It's sad to me after all these years you've been on this board, that you're still struggling with nutrition, understanding nutrition, understanding energy, maximizing performance, quality of life.
Like I said there's a reason why the guys in the 70s worked out twice a day 6 days a week, they all had hair, good complexions, nice healthy muscle. Steak and eggs, the most nutrient dense bioavailable foods on the planet behind liver.
I agree. Almost anyone looks and feels better on a high fat diet. There is a reason why we are told to eat high carbs and low fat. Pharmaceutical companies need to make money.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: loco on October 17, 2022, 03:25:59 AM
I agree. Almost anyone looks and feels better on a high fat diet. There is a reason why we are told to eat high carbs and low fat. Pharmaceutical companies need to make money.

Yup, and so does the wheat, corn, soy, and vegan fake meat industries.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Wiggs on October 17, 2022, 03:57:30 AM
The lack of basic nutritional knowledge in this thread by some is absolutely embarrassing.

x2
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Wiggs on October 17, 2022, 03:59:17 AM
I'm going to blow your minds.

Protein doesn't exist...
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Keto Kid on October 17, 2022, 05:25:46 AM
I agree. Almost anyone looks and feels better on a high fat diet. There is a reason why we are told to eat high carbs and low fat. Pharmaceutical companies need to make money.
When I started bodybuilding it was the early 2000's I'm watching all the top bodybuilders eating egg whites, tilapia, orange roughy, chicken, tuna. Fat was the "enemy" what I failed to realize was I wasn't on the drugs these guys were on, most bodybuilders know nothing about nutrition, majority of them focus solely on macros and pay zero attention to micronutrients. The thing I noticed was when I'd have my weekly cheat day, I'd eat a bunch of burgers, buy a bunch of ground beef and make it with pasta,  I always felt better and more energetic, I figured it was the increase in calories/sodium/carbs..when in actuality my body was craving essential fats, and the abundance of micronutrients found in red meat. There were guys like Evan Centopani,  Palumbo, Lee Labrada that preached the benefits of fats and how important they were in the diet. But the majority of them still to this day stay clear of fats and if they do its from nut butters, or seed/nut oils,  which are shit, you want animal fats.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: GymnJuice on October 17, 2022, 10:35:06 AM
I'm going to blow your minds.

Protein doesn't exist...

Do not try to blend the protein. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.

What truth?

There is no protein.

There is no protein?

Then you'll see, that it is not the protein that blends, it is only yourself.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: joswift on October 17, 2022, 02:06:05 PM
I'm going to blow your minds.

Protein doesn't exist...

everything we eat is made up from Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen and nitrogen, just in different amounts.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Wiggs on October 17, 2022, 03:24:28 PM
everything we eat is made up from Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen and nitrogen, just in different amounts.

You are correct and the closest to understanding statement. I'll write a thorough explanation later. The whole "protein" thing especially EXCESS animal "protein" is a waste of money and health even for pros.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Marty Champions on October 17, 2022, 04:47:02 PM
everything we eat is made up from Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen and nitrogen, just in different amounts.
you learned this from my older thread well researched!
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: pamith on October 17, 2022, 10:14:25 PM
I've been doing that lately too.
It's fantastic diet because with this diet you don't need steroids anymore, plus it's very healthy
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 18, 2022, 01:34:32 AM
everything we eat is made up from Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen and nitrogen, just in different amounts.
Breatharians take this to the extreme.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 18, 2022, 04:22:31 AM
It's fantastic diet because with this diet you don't need steroids anymore, plus it's very healthy

I've put an inch on my arms in the past week.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: nzgs on October 18, 2022, 04:52:47 AM
They seem to confirm that we’re omnivores. They were able to survive on what was available to them in their environment. Groups in other parts of the world survived on different diets.

An omnivore can thrive on either food group. So certain primates would class as omnivores. Technically humans are some degree of carnivore since animal foods are required to thrive. Most carnivorous species do eat some small amount of plant foods. We don't categorise based on what a species is capable of eating otherwise just about everything would be an omnivore.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Tapeworm on October 18, 2022, 07:07:36 AM
everything we eat is made up from Carbon Hydrogen Oxygen and nitrogen, just in different amounts.

Chemical elements are an illusion. There's just bosons and leptons.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: Griffith on October 18, 2022, 08:20:48 AM
'A calorie is a calorie.'

 :D
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: IroNat on October 18, 2022, 09:24:49 AM
'A calorie is a calorie.'

 :D

High fructose corn syrup calories and protein and fat calories are the same.
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: The Scott on October 18, 2022, 09:32:15 AM
'A calorie is a calorie.'

 :D

The caloric value is the same,  but the nutritional value is different.  This is the truth.  If one were to consume 10,000 calories a day in "healthy" foods and not do a damn thing with it, that person would still be a fatass.    To state otherwise  seems ridiculous.  Of late I have seen and spoken with a couple of fellow oldsters that were riding electric bicycles.

They said they were doing it for health reasons and because it was fun.  I asked if they ever pedaled the bike and both said "the bike does the pedaling!".  This is the same mindset that feeeeels that a calorie is not a calorie, in other words, they are wrong.

Eat well, train hard and if you are fat, cut back on the calories and lose the fat.

Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: pamith on October 19, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
I've put an inch on my arms in the past week.
Bro...
Title: Re: If carbs are unessential to life.....
Post by: pamith on October 19, 2022, 10:11:51 PM
I've been doing that lately too.
My nikka