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I am pretty lean, eat very well, have high HDL and low Triglycerides and my Calcium heart score is less than 5, yet my total cholesterol is now over 300.
Anyone else have FH and what has been your experience and treatments etc?
I have never done gear either btw…
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I am pretty lean, eat very well, have high HDL and low Triglycerides and my Calcium heart score is less than 5, yet my total cholesterol is now over 300.
Anyone else have FH and what has been your experience and treatments etc?
I have never done gear either btw…
Whats your HDL, LDL, Trig's and Risk-Ratio?
Many have high totals, because their good HDL is off the charts.
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I am pretty lean, eat very well, have high HDL and low Triglycerides and my Calcium heart score is less than 5, yet my total cholesterol is now over 300.
Anyone else have FH and what has been your experience and treatments etc?
I have never done gear either btw…
Pretty much everyone in my family has a total cholesterol close to or above 300, no matter whether old or young, fit or fat.
My grandma is close to 100 and had total cholesterol higher than 300 all her life (and never took any medication or supplements to lower it).
Just forget it and keenly stay away from statins or crap like that, they're gonna f*ck u up. If you have genetically high cholesterol levels that means that your body can handle them as well.
Also, cholesterol is a highly controversial topic in general. Check out the "Rotterdam elderly study" with 10.000s subjects, folks with the highest cholesterol had by far the highest life expectancy there, and the ones with the lowest cholesterol levels died the youngest lol
The reason behind the cholesterol hysteria, pushed by the pharma industry, is to declare the majority of the population in need of treatment.
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The reason behind the cholesterol hysteria, pushed by the pharma industry, is to declare the majority of the population in need of treatment.
Biggest selling drug in history. They put little kids on statins these days.. Criminal...
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Pretty much everyone in my family has a total cholesterol close to or above 300, no matter whether old or young, fit or fat.
My grandma is close to 100 and had total cholesterol higher than 300 all her life (and never took any medication or supplements to lower it).
Just forget it and keenly stay away from statins or crap like that, they're gonna f*ck u up. If you have genetically high cholesterol levels that means that your body can handle them as well.
Also, cholesterol is a highly controversial topic in general. Check out the "Rotterdam elderly study" with 10.000s subjects, folks with the highest cholesterol had by far the highest life expectancy there, and the ones with the lowest cholesterol levels died the youngest lol
The reason behind the cholesterol hysteria, pushed by the pharma industry, is to declare the majority of the population in need of treatment.
oh yeah statins would be a last resort and only considered if a CT angiogram shows blockages.
My mom, who has high cholesterol, was on them for a few months when she was forty and she could barely get out of bed. She is now 80 and pretty healthy considering she still smokes.
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Whats your HDL, LDL, Trig's and Risk-Ratio?
Many have high totals, because their good HDL is off the charts.
Total 315, HDL 61, TG 78, LDL 238, RCHD risk factor 3.91
Age 52, weight 175 (used to be chubby/bulked 240 before 2020), height 6’3” …. I am skinny as shit for my age and height compared to seemingly everyone.
Fasting glucose 86, HBA1C 5.2
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Your cholesterol is where it's supposed to be ;)
Nothing to worry about
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Total 315, HDL 61, TG 78, LDL 238, RCHD risk factor 3.91
Age 52, weight 175 (used to be chubby/bulked 240 before 2020), height 6’3” …. I am skinny as shit for my age and height compared to seemingly everyone.
Fasting glucose 86, HBA1C 5.2
All of your numbers look good except for LDL.
The problem is there are different LDL's, good and bad (small and large). Not all LDL is bad.
You can always look into the specialized LDL tests if you were concerned.
Also, if you really wanted to try a supplement before going the statin-route (which you may not even need) is "real" Red Yeast Rice.
From other countries. Where it has Monacolin-K in it, a measured dose.
This is the naturally fermented "statin" that FDA coined "Lovastatin" after they stole for their own. (To protect us of course) ::)
Used in Asian countries for millions of years.
Some countries are cracking down even on that, following suit.
But you can find it out there, tiny pills with 3mg in each one. (Three x a day for 9 mg is a good dose).
People see benefit w/ no sides unlike the synthetic counterparts.
You can try for 3 months, get re-tested. Also maybe look into the special LDL test, you may be fine and just doing daamge to the good LDL..
Like one guy said above, people with the lowest total-levels die more from heart attack, etc. Cholesterol is protectinve and important..
https://mainheartclinic.com/2011/05/cholesterol-particle-size/
Never tried this brand, its just an example:
(https://img.mz-store.com/image/cache/data/apollos-hegemony-plus/monacolin-k-800x800.png)
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All of your numbers look good except for LDL.
The problem is there are different LDL's, good and bad (small and large). Not all LDL is bad.
You can always look into the specialized LDL tests if you were concerned.
Also, if you really wanted to try a supplement before going the statin-route (which you may not even need) is "real" Red Yeast Rice.
From other countries. Where it has Monacolin-K in it, a measured dose.
This is the naturally fermented "statin" that FDA coined "Lovastatin" after they stole for their own. (To protect us of course) ::)
Used in Asian countries for millions of years.
Some countries are cracking down even on that, following suit.
But you can find it out there, tiny pills with 3mg in each one. (Three x a day for 9 mg is a good dose).
People see benefit w/ no sides unlike the synthetic counterparts.
You can try for 3 months, get re-tested. Also maybe look into the special LDL test, you may be fine and just doing daamge to the good LDL..
Like one guy said above, people with the lowest total-levels die more from heart attack, etc. Cholesterol is protectinve and important..
https://mainheartclinic.com/2011/05/cholesterol-particle-size/
Never tried this brand, its just an example:
(https://img.mz-store.com/image/cache/data/apollos-hegemony-plus/monacolin-k-800x800.png)
thanks for the info.
Yes, I wanna find out the composition of my LDL particles. Hopefully they are the big fluffy ones.
My doctor is a real bitch and just wants me on statins asap but I need to see some evidence of active heart disease.
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thanks for the info.
Yes, I wanna find out the composition of my LDL particles. Hopefully they are the big fluffy ones.
My doctor is a real bitch and just wants me on statins asap but I need to see some evidence of active heart disease.
Thats what they do, push the drugs. They dont want to go the extra mile and actually do some work/research.
One of my kids, tested at 204-total, Doc wanted to prescribe statins (age 18 at the time). All numbers were in-range, a good HDL made the total a tad higher than 200. ::)
I dont think so bitch...
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Pretty much everyone in my family has a total cholesterol close to or above 300, no matter whether old or young, fit or fat.
My grandma is close to 100 and had total cholesterol higher than 300 all her life (and never took any medication or supplements to lower it).
Just forget it and keenly stay away from statins or crap like that, they're gonna f*ck u up. If you have genetically high cholesterol levels that means that your body can handle them as well.
Also, cholesterol is a highly controversial topic in general. Check out the "Rotterdam elderly study" with 10.000s subjects, folks with the highest cholesterol had by far the highest life expectancy there, and the ones with the lowest cholesterol levels died the youngest lol
The reason behind the cholesterol hysteria, pushed by the pharma industry, is to declare the majority of the population in need of treatment.
the threshold that triggers a script from the doctor was set by studies funded by the same people who produce Statins
I believe Stains are the major cause of dementia as cholesterol helps you form memories.
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Thats what they do, push the drugs. They dont want to go the extra mile and actually do some work/research.
One of my kids, tested at 204-total, Doc wanted to prescribe statins (age 18 at the time). All numbers were in-range, a good HDL made the total a tad higher than 200. ::)
I dont think so bitch...
weird thing is that in 2019, when I was in horrible shape, my HDL was bad at only 42 and my TG was bad at 120, but my total cholesterol was only 205 (they didn’t give an LDL for some reason but I guess it was around 155/160 which is way less than now.
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the threshold that triggers a script from the doctor was set by studies funded by the same people who produce Statins
I believe Stains are the major cause of dementia as cholesterol helps you form memories.
this is another statin concern since I supposedly have the dementia gene.
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your cholesterol can be at all sorts of levels and the 'experts' still no clue
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your cholesterol can be at all sorts of levels and the 'experts' still no clue
truth ^
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https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/disease/fh/FH.htm
Your doctor may be able to detect physical signs of FH during a clinical exam, although not everyone with FH has these signs. These physical signs of FH occur when extra cholesterol builds up in different parts of the body:
(https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/images/How_know_FHver2.jpg?_=18191)
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the threshold that triggers a script from the doctor was set by studies funded by the same people who produce Statins
I believe Stains are the major cause of dementia as cholesterol helps you form memories.
Yeah, and the thresholds were constantly downregulated by the authorities over the decades as well. My doctor told me when he attended medical school about 35 years ago, the threshold for overall cholesterol was around 260, when he graduated from university it was 240, when he became an internist it was like 220, and the most recent threshold defined by the medical authorities is like 186.
If you take that seriously, around 85 - 90 % of the Western population would be in need of constant treatment or at least medical supervision all of a sudden.
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I am pretty lean, eat very well, have high HDL and low Triglycerides and my Calcium heart score is less than 5, yet my total cholesterol is now over 300.
Anyone else have FH and what has been your experience and treatments etc?
I have never done gear either btw…
Did IFBB pros Antoine Vaillant have a high calcium heart score?
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Did IFBB pros Antoine Vaillant have a high calcium heart score?
Yup, that is also a subject not fully understood.
Calcification of plaque is also protective, prevents ruptures. You can have tiny spots of calcium, in a lot of places, which all add up for a score that initially appears high.
(And have zero blockages).
Lots who say "I have zero calcium score" end up having soft-plaque and blockages, and bypasses.
The test cant see the real dangerous stuff (soft plaque).
Its good to get the test, if you have any, it triggers all of the needed invasive tests to see if there's any danger/blockages.
I know as I went thru it all. In the end, some calcium, zero blockages, and 65% ejection-fraction which is tops for my age group.
One thing statins may do for people (who need them) is to calcify soft plaque and prevent rupture...
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Yup, that is also a subject not fully understood.
Calcification of plaque is also protective, prevents ruptures. You can have tiny spots of calcium, in a lot of places, which all add up for a score that initially appears high.
(And have zero blockages).
Lots who say "I have zero calcium score" end up having soft-plaque and blockages, and bypasses.
The test cant see the real dangerous stuff (soft plaque).
Its good to get the test, if you have any, it triggers all of the needed invasive tests to see if there's any danger/blockages.
I know as I went thru it all. In the end, some calcium, zero blockages, and 65% ejection-fraction which is tops for my age group.
One thing statins may do for people (who need them) is to calcify soft plaque and prevent rupture...
what tests besides calcium score did you get?
What were your numbers like.
I have a Xanthelasma under my eyelid too btw.
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what tests besides calcium score did you get?
I have a Xanthelasma under my eyelid too btw.
Stress-echo, also nuclear-stress.. Both see inside arteries, etc...
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Stress-echo, also nuclear-stress.. Both see inside arteries, etc...
what were your numbers like?
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I am pretty lean, eat very well, have high HDL and low Triglycerides and my Calcium heart score is less than 5, yet my total cholesterol is now over 300.
Anyone else have FH and what has been your experience and treatments etc?
I have never done gear either btw…
My cholesterol was 267.
I too ate a clean diet, maintained a healthy weight and exercised everyday. High cholesterol runs in my family.
Instead of posting on Getbig and asking for advice I talked to my family Doctor.
Now my cholesterol is a healthy 160.
Be careful whose advice you take. Especially when it comes to your health.
:)
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I take a statin called Rostuvastatin....no clue what my numbers are but when I diet for my show I will get off of it forever.
I trained 3 clients back in the day that were all on statins.....once they ate like I instructed them to,their numbers plummeted and their docs took them off their cholesterol meds.....I plan on doing the same.
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what were your numbers like?
Which numbers, the Calcium score? Mine was almost 400, which they say is high.
But all the follow-ups showed there were a lot of tiny spots, that added up to that total.
Nothing substantial in one spot. Follow-up tests showed all-clear, zero blockages, etc.
Statins calcified plaque spots, protecting it from rupture.
When I was an 18-year old, ripped as BHanks, my cholesterol total was right around 300.
My HDL was very very high. Only issue so was LDL and Triglycerides. (Blood fats).
Familial issue for sure. (Father died at age 47, heart disease, etc). So runs in the family.
Im one of the cases where statins help and are needed. Only problem is that they way over-prescribe them.
When risk-ratio is below 3.5 or so, they are not really needed.
Risk ratio =Total cholesterol / HDL . Even with that they are probably just guessing. No exact science for it..
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My cholesterol was 267.
I too ate a clean diet, maintained a healthy weight and exercised everyday. High cholesterol runs in my family.
Instead of posting on Getbig and asking for advice I talked to my family Doctor.
Now my cholesterol is a healthy 160.
Be careful whose advice you take. Especially when it comes to your health.
:)
How silly.
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Yup, that is also a subject not fully understood.
Calcification of plaque is also protective, prevents ruptures. You can have tiny spots of calcium, in a lot of places, which all add up for a score that initially appears high.
(And have zero blockages).
Lots who say "I have zero calcium score" end up having soft-plaque and blockages, and bypasses.
The test cant see the real dangerous stuff (soft plaque).
Its good to get the test, if you have any, it triggers all of the needed invasive tests to see if there's any danger/blockages.
Wow. That's nice to know that one test can trump all other tests like that - especially the invasive ones.
I know as I went thru it all. In the end, some calcium, zero blockages, and 65% ejection-fraction which is tops for my age group.
One thing statins may do for people (who need them) is to calcify soft plaque and prevent rupture...
Can you have a 100% ejection fraction?
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Wow. That's nice to know that one test can trump all other tests like that - especially the invasive ones.
Can you have a 100% ejection fraction?
No... Otherwise all of the blood would be pumped out of the ventricle (not good).
When I first heard 65% I was like "WTF" then they explained it that its a top number.
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Ejection fraction is a measurement of the percentage of blood leaving the heart each time it squeezes. When the heart squeezes, it's called a contraction. Ejection fraction is just one of many tests your health care provider may use to see how your heart works.
The heart contracts and relaxes. When the heart contracts, it pumps out — ejects — blood from the two lower heart chambers, called ventricles. When the heart relaxes, the ventricles refill with blood. No matter how forceful the contraction, the heart can never pump all (100%) the blood out of a ventricle. The term "ejection fraction" is the amount of blood — as a percentage — that's pumped out of a filled ventricle with each heartbeat.
The ejection fraction is usually measured only in the left ventricle. The left ventricle is the heart's main pumping chamber. It pumps oxygen-rich blood up into the body's main artery, called the aorta. The blood then goes to the rest of the body.
According to the American Heart Association:
A left ventricle (LV) ejection fraction of about 50% to 70% is categorized as normal.
A mildly reduced LV ejection fraction is usually between 41% and 49%.
A reduced LV ejection fraction is usually 40% or less.
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Thanks Gym Rat!
Do you know what John Meadows' ejection fraction was?
Antoine Vaillant - 2013 vs. 2020:
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Which numbers, the Calcium score? Mine was almost 400, which they say is high.
But all the follow-ups showed there were a lot of tiny spots, that added up to that total.
Nothing substantial in one spot. Follow-up tests showed all-clear, zero blockages, etc.
Statins calcified plaque spots, protecting it from rupture.
When I was an 18-year old, ripped as BHanks, my cholesterol total was right around 300.
My HDL was very very high. Only issue so was LDL and Triglycerides. (Blood fats).
Familial issue for sure. (Father died at age 47, heart disease, etc). So runs in the family.
Im one of the cases where statins help and are needed. Only problem is that they way over-prescribe them.
When risk-ratio is below 3.5 or so, they are not really needed.
Risk ratio =Total cholesterol / HDL . Even with that they are probably just guessing. No exact science for it..
my calcium score was 5 and only showed in one artery, the rest were zero.
Most males in my family die young from cancer or suicide so don’t have much to go on as far as heart disease. The women live very long lives.
So, were you on a statin for a short time to hard it up and then stopped?
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my calcium score was 5 and only showed in one artery, the rest were zero.
Most males in my family die young from cancer or suicide so don’t have much to go on as far as heart disease. The women live very long lives.
So we’re you on a statin for a short time to hard it up and then stopped?
you should transition...
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you should transition...
probably get breast cancer :)
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Wow. That's nice to know that one test can trump all other tests like that - especially the invasive ones.
Can you have a 100% ejection fraction?
No
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my calcium score was 5 and only showed in one artery, the rest were zero.
Most males in my family die young from cancer or suicide so don’t have much to go on as far as heart disease. The women live very long lives.
So, were you on a statin for a short time to hard it up and then stopped?
I've been on low-dose simvastatin (10 mg) since I turned 40 (16 yrs).
I feel no sides from it... (They tend to show up more at higher doses, like most drugs).
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I've been on low-dose simvastatin (10 mg) since I turned 40 (16 yrs).
I feel no sides from it... (They tend to show up more at higher doses, like most drugs).
Wow.
You've been on statins for 16 years you say?
You must be EXTREMELY trusting of Big Pharma and the Medical System.
:)
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I've been on low-dose simvastatin (10 mg) since I turned 40 (16 yrs).
I feel no sides from it... (They tend to show up more at higher doses, like most drugs).
seems like a low dose isn’t too hard to handle.
What is you LDL, HDL and trigs now?
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seems like a low dose isn’t too hard to handle.
What is you LDL, HDL and trigs now?
Just had bloods the other day.
186 total
51 HDL
113 LDL
76 Trig's
4.2 ratio
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Not where things should be in most Doc's eyes, but fine...
6 months ago things were a little lower all around, LDL was 99, but HDL was 39. (I experiment with red yeast rice, niacin dose and other things as well).
Numbers like these arent a concern...
They try to program people to get it in range "OR ELSE". My Doc is smarter than that.
(A bit bummed he told me he's retiring, after 18 years I need to find another).
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Wow.
You've been on statins for 16 years you say?
You must be EXTREMELY trusting of Big Pharma and the Medical System.
:)
I dont recall statins killing young athletes...
Plus I know what I need, and the clot-shot, yup.. Not needed...
I buy all my own meds (India) and do my own Rx as well.
(And bloodwork). Its actually cheaper than USA w/ Insurance.
He only checks it once a year with my yearly physical.
I go 3-4 times a year for my own bloodwork and I adjust as I feel I need.
So yeah, no one really tells me what to take... (Unlike Sheep)
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Wow.
You've been on statins for 16 years you say?
You must be EXTREMELY trusting of Big Pharma and the Medical System.
:)
The other thing is big-pharma isnt needed for Monacolin-K, they stole it.
Used in China for a million years. Other countries, still OTC.
All statins are synthetic forms of Monacolin-K (natural fermented lovastatin made with yeast and rice).
So yeah, not real trusting of it (was never un-trusting until the fake scamdemic actually).
Most folks know how to critically think, unlike Sheep. Take a known-safe substance used in Asia for a million years or a rushed to market "cash grab" thats killing people.
Hmmm... Let me see if I can tell the difference. ::)
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Just had bloods the other day.
186 total
51 HDL
113 LDL
76 Trig's
4.2 ratio
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Not where things should be in most Doc's eyes, but fine...
6 months ago things were a little lower all around, LDL was 99, but HDL was 39. (I experiment with red yeast rice, niacin dose and other things as well).
Numbers like these arent a concern...
They try to program people to get it in range "OR ELSE". My Doc is smarter than that.
(A bit bummed he told me he's retiring, after 18 years I need to find another).
Nice numbers…. LDL of 100-150 would make me comfortable…. 230 is too high even with my other numbers being so good, but going under 100 like some people insist seems just as dangerous as too high…
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I am pretty lean, eat very well, have high HDL and low Triglycerides and my Calcium heart score is less than 5, yet my total cholesterol is now over 300.
Anyone else have FH and what has been your experience and treatments etc?
I have never done gear either btw…
High total cholesterol is healthy. LDL isn't "bad". It's bad when vLDL becomes inflamed which is rather different, and it's bad to have such chronic inflammation that your arteries are constantly being repaired with cholesterol. I would look into "lean mass hyper responders" since you seem to fit that profile.
Ideally people should have high total cholesterol, high HDL:Trig ratio, low CAC score, low inflammation biomarkers. This is pretty much the opposite of "mainstream" old fashioned advice which is that it doesn't matter how bad your biomarkers are so long as LDL is low, which is dangerous advice.
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Can you have a 100% ejection fraction?
Are you talking about the heart or...
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My dads cholesterol is in the 600s and has been for 40 years, also has triglycerides in the 2-3000. Never taken a statin and eats Mayo sandwiches. He’s 73.
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My dads cholesterol is in the 600s and has been for 40 years, also has triglycerides in the 2-3000. Never taken a statin and eats Mayo sandwiches. He’s 73.
When I was a kid we lived on Mayo sandwiches so we could save enough money for our annual ski trip to the Swiss Alps! :D
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When I was a kid we lived on Mayo sandwiches so we could save enough money for our annual ski trip to the Swiss Alps! :D
(https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/234/23465.gif)
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My dads cholesterol is in the 600s and has been for 40 years, also has triglycerides in the 2-3000. Never taken a statin and eats Mayo sandwiches. He’s 73.
That's wild Rob.
But I doubt your father will live to 120.
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Were you feeling bad or you just caught this on a routine checkup? I never go to the Dr
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My dads cholesterol is in the 600s and has been for 40 years, also has triglycerides in the 2-3000. Never taken a statin and eats Mayo sandwiches. He’s 73.
Legend!
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All of your numbers look good except for LDL.
The problem is there are different LDL's, good and bad (small and large). Not all LDL is bad.
You can always look into the specialized LDL tests if you were concerned.
Also, if you really wanted to try a supplement before going the statin-route (which you may not even need) is "real" Red Yeast Rice.
From other countries. Where it has Monacolin-K in it, a measured dose.
This is the naturally fermented "statin" that FDA coined "Lovastatin" after they stole for their own. (To protect us of course) ::)
Used in Asian countries for millions of years.
Some countries are cracking down even on that, following suit.
But you can find it out there, tiny pills with 3mg in each one. (Three x a day for 9 mg is a good dose).
People see benefit w/ no sides unlike the synthetic counterparts.
You can try for 3 months, get re-tested. Also maybe look into the special LDL test, you may be fine and just doing daamge to the good LDL..
Like one guy said above, people with the lowest total-levels die more from heart attack, etc. Cholesterol is protectinve and important..
https://mainheartclinic.com/2011/05/cholesterol-particle-size/
Never tried this brand, its just an example:
(https://img.mz-store.com/image/cache/data/apollos-hegemony-plus/monacolin-k-800x800.png)
I’ll give this a try.
I cycle cardarine a few times a year for 6-8 weeks and my LDL drops around and HDL rises.
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The other thing is big-pharma isnt needed for Monacolin-K, they stole it.
Used in China for a million years. Other countries, still OTC.
All statins are synthetic forms of Monacolin-K (natural fermented lovastatin made with yeast and rice).
So yeah, not real trusting of it (was never un-trusting until the fake scamdemic actually).
Most folks know how to critically think, unlike Sheep. Take a known-safe substance used in Asia for a million years or a rushed to market "cash grab" thats killing people.
Hmmm... Let me see if I can tell the difference. ::)
I see what you’re saying.
:)
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High total cholesterol is healthy. LDL isn't "bad". It's bad when vLDL becomes inflamed which is rather different, and it's bad to have such chronic inflammation that your arteries are constantly being repaired with cholesterol. I would look into "lean mass hyper responders" since you seem to fit that profile.
Ideally people should have high total cholesterol, high HDL:Trig ratio, low CAC score, low inflammation biomarkers. This is pretty much the opposite of "mainstream" old fashioned advice which is that it doesn't matter how bad your biomarkers are so long as LDL is low, which is dangerous advice.
getting a particle count cholesterol test done soon as well as tests for inflammation markers so we will see…
plus I want to find out the amount of soft plaque versus just the calcified which the calcium score only shows…
LDL has been rising steadily past 5 years though.