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At 48 finally got the doctor to OK TRT. Been using the 1.62 gel for a month now and feel very good. Like a time machine...
Any supplement recommendations to enhance the therapy?
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At 48 finally got the doctor to OK TRT. Been using the 1.62 gel for a month now and feel very good. Like a time machine...
Any supplement recommendations to enhance the therapy?
What were your Testosterone levels before? After?
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Zinc
CoQ10
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At 48 finally got the doctor to OK TRT. Been using the 1.62 gel for a month now and feel very good. Like a time machine...
Any supplement recommendations to enhance the therapy?
Eggs. When in doubt always eggs.
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What were your Testosterone levels before? After?
298 to start. Havent had follow up work yet. Scheduled for two months from now. I eat a keto diet (with the occasional bourbon...man's gotta live). I have my own chickens and take a multi-vitamin, D2 and D3 supplement right now. I thought about the ZMA supplement...and this CoQ10 looks interesting.
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At 48 finally got the doctor to OK TRT. Been using the 1.62 gel for a month now and feel very good. Like a time machine...
Any supplement recommendations to enhance the therapy?
Dhea and metformin nightly
Bench
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Bro...
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Dhea and metformin nightly
Bench
Thanks. I've been looking at the DHEA but I hear rumors it can enhance the Test or go the other direction and enhance estrogen levels. Heard anything like that?
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Thanks. I've been looking at the DHEA but I hear rumors it can enhance the Test or go the other direction and enhance estrogen levels. Heard anything like that?
It can boost estrogen in men and testosterone in women
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It can boost estrogen in men and testosterone in women
Yikes!
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Yikes!
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/2f3d33d6bed2eba675e86905ce776933/aa8e26ed38b2063c-6c/s500x750/87be76f80e6813903858f5a4e702b26236cd3596.gif)
AI generated glutes
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Thanks. I've been looking at the DHEA but I hear rumors it can enhance the Test or go the other direction and enhance estrogen levels. Heard anything like that?
You are already on testosterone which is leaps and bounds more powerful than DHEA..and on a TRT dose broken up over the course of a week you will have no damn estrogen problems..you really think DHEA is going to push you over the edge on estrogen?
Seriously, this site today really believes trt and a full blown cycle are the same thing with the same side effects.
Bench
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At 48 finally got the doctor to OK TRT. Been using the 1.62 gel for a month now and feel very good. Like a time machine...
Any supplement recommendations to enhance the therapy?
Name brand (Androgel) or generic? The generic I tried had an awful fragrance added.
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Do transdermal gels still suck? Gotta go with injectable and split it in 2-3 doses a week IMO
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Do transdermal gels still suck? Gotta go with injectable and split it in 2-3 doses a week IMO
docters hand out those gels just to see if you get a rash, they dont do fuck all
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You are already on testosterone which is leaps and bounds more powerful than DHEA..and on a TRT dose broken up over the course of a week you will have no damn estrogen problems..you really think DHEA is going to push you over the edge on estrogen?
Seriously, this site today really believes trt and a full blown cycle are the same thing with the same side effects.
Bench
Is 200mg of ibuprofen and 1000mg not the same thing?
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Is 200mg of ibuprofen and 1000mg not the same thing?
No...dumb fuck
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Is 200mg of ibuprofen and 1000mg not the same thing?
On getbig..yes
Bench
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AI generated glutes
If it gave me an ass like that...I might think about it. (no homo)
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I don’t remember hearing anyone say the gel works; good for you.
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Everyone goes on injections after a while. It's just a stepping stone to get over the psychological hang up over taking testosterone. Some may have phobia of needles too but from what I've seen it mostly goes away after the first injection. I've seen grown, "tough" men pale as a ghost sweating profusely before getting the first shot.
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Melatonin
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Dhea and metformin nightly
Bench
I've been taking DHEA with breakfast. So you're suggesting to take that in the evening?
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I've been taking DHEA with breakfast. So you're suggesting to take that in the evening?
I have no idea why, but I’ve always had better dhea blood numbers taking it before sleep rather than in the morning with the same dos
Bench
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Melatonin
Thats too hardcore of a BB drug... Look what it did to BHanks...
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I feel a great boost of energy and somewhat recovery when on AAKG. 500mg everyday day.
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The International Olympic Committee considers four (maybe five) nutritional supplements to have "Good to Strong Evidence of Achieving Benefits to Performance":
(1) Caffeine
(2) Creatine
(3) Nitrate e.g. beetroot
(4) Beta-alanine and sodium bicarbonate (unclear if these are doing the same thing)
https://doi.org/10.1123/ijsnem.2018-0020
Of course there are other things that are very beneficial e.g. testosterone and EPO, but those are controlled substances not supplements.
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Yes,always apply gel to your balls.
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I feel a great boost of energy and somewhat recovery when on AAKG. 500mg everyday day.
Is this what you are taking?
(What other brand if so?)
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Yes,always apply gel to your balls.
You know I laughed at that but then saw that there's a number of 'doctors' on the internet recommending it. They're usually Russian or eastern European ;D
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Is this what you are taking?
(What other brand if so?)
Yes Alpha ketoglutarate or so.
Been using a local brand (Portugal), generic stuff from Zumub.
Tried it after watching Dave Sinclair Joe Rogan podcast on life extension.
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Eggs.
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You know I laughed at that but then saw that there's a number of 'doctors' on the internet recommending it. They're usually Russian or eastern European ;D
Actually they have done studies on this. Applied to scrotum you get up to 60% absorption, compared to up to 10% elsewhere. That's amazing. Question is if it's good for the scrotum skin in the long run.
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fuck it...I'm doing it tomorrow morning! ;D
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You know I laughed at that but then saw that there's a number of 'doctors' on the internet recommending it. They're usually Russian or eastern European ;D
so its the women doing it then?
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so its the women doing it then?
:)
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eventually switch to a long acting test inject
it will stabilize blood levels over a period of time and be less of a bitch to deal with - pref test enthanate or decanoate if you can source it
THEN if you wan to take a step further track your blood levels with regular blood panel testing - add in some gh at some point
one more step - would be to add in a DHT derivative such as Masteron enth - that in turn will lower your e2 levels as well as act as anabolic
if you can eat clean 5-6days a week on TRT it will make the biggest difference
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don't bother with the GH. Waste of money, bad for the health look.
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Why do all you young guys have such low test? 48 years old and you are on hormone replacement for life?
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Yes Alpha ketoglutarate or so.
Been using a local brand (Portugal), generic stuff from Zumub.
Tried it after watching Dave Sinclair Joe Rogan podcast on life extension.
Some supps can be beneficial. Most can be useless. I feel I recover quicker, with my post WO drink, and its dirt cheap (expired sale, shit is fine), so I use it daily.
Creatine
AllMax EAA with Phosphatidic Acid
Does it do wonders? Of course not. But minor recovery, and honestly, a little more EAA (than diet) and Creatine can never hurt.
I bought enough for a year, after that I'll see if I use moving FWD...
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Melatonin
So you think he should cruise on TRT then blast with melatonin? Add some caffeine and Doom will be a fucking jacked beast.
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So you think he should cruise on TRT then blast with melatonin? Add some caffeine and Doom will be a fucking jacked beast.
Please, no!!
Much too hardcore of a stack... That Melatonin cant be brutal. This bull took some (only 5 mg) , look what happened!
(https://www.fas.scot/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Belgian-Blue-Cattle-1024x585-1.jpg)
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Why do all you young guys have such low test? 48 years old and you are on hormone replacement for life?
My thinking was
1) My test was low. I truly believe it was as a result of serious stress in home life and working the night shift for over 15 years and getting by on 3 to 4 hrs of sleep a day.
2) im going to eventually do it anyway (trt) so I might as well start at 50 while I still have 5 to 10 years to really reap the benefits instead of starting at 60 - 65 and feel/look like shit regardless.
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Why do all you young guys have such low test? 48 years old and you are on hormone replacement for life?
They don't really have low test unless they've been blasting steroids for years which some have been doing and messed themselves up.
The Why...
Why do men/women take steroids or mind altering drugs?
Why do people waste money on expensive nutritional supplements?
It's like a 40s woman getting cosmetic surgery to look 35 or a boob job.
Some men dye their hair.
Ego. Vanity. Poor self-esteem. Escape reality. Chasing youth. It's an emotional/mental thing.
Why do we weight train for looks? It's all basically the same reasons.
Another cash cow for Big Phama. Get everyone on drugs.
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Some supps can be beneficial. Most can be useless. I feel I recover quicker, with my post WO drink, and its dirt cheap (expired sale, shit is fine), so I use it daily.
Creatine
AllMax EAA with Phosphatidic Acid
Does it do wonders? Of course not. But minor recovery, and honestly, a little more EAA (than diet) and Creatine can never hurt.
I bought enough for a year, after that I'll see if I use moving FWD...
Is that a current sale going on? Haven’t bought amino supps in a while but would buy if $10
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Please, no!!
Much too hardcore of a stack... That Melatonin cant be brutal. This bull took some (only 5 mg) , look what happened!
(https://www.fas.scot/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Belgian-Blue-Cattle-1024x585-1.jpg)
Hell yeah! I'm talking about going full Kitty Hawk protocol.
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Why do all you young guys have such low test? 48 years old and you are on hormone replacement for life?
Test levels these days are laughable, not sure what happened in history. Diet, plastics, sitting around, all of the above??
I waited 'til I turned 50 and went on real TRT (Doc). After training natty for 38 years. (Age 12 to 50).
When I was 40 and got tested, before going on statins, my natty test levels were 700+.
A decade later, I was 253. Statins, age, etc... I'm back up at around 700 with only 125 mg a week.
Test levels arent "be all, end all". I know a Powerlifter in his 60's, still squats and pulls 700+ and benched 4 plates. (Big fat bastard).
His test levels are in the 100's, but he says he feels fine. Sure as shit didnt affect his strength.
Its a personal choice, but others with no skin in the game, I notice can get worked up over what others do.
Even Brian, most dont care that he abuses PED's, most find it funny he calls it "TRT" and "Anemia drugs"... LOL
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Test levels these days are laughable, not sure what happened in history. Diet, plastics, sitting around, all of the above??
I waited 'til I turned 50 and went on real TRT (Doc). After training natty for 38 years. (Age 12 to 50).
When I was 40 and got tested, before going on statins, my natty test levels were 700+.
A decade later, I was 253. Statins, age, etc... I'm back up at around 700 with only 125 mg a week.
Test levels arent "be all, end all". I know a Powerlifter in his 60's, still squats and pulls 700+ and benched 4 plates. (Big fat bastard).
His test levels are in the 100's, but he says he feels fine. Sure as shit didnt affect his strength.
Its a personal choice, but others with no skin in the game, I notice can get worked up over what others do.
Even Brian, most dont care that he abuses PED's, most find it funny he calls it "TRT" and "Anemia drugs"... LOL
They say statins can lower T.
One drug leads to another. $$ for Big Pharma.
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OT,
Have you ever had your T checked?
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Test levels these days are laughable, not sure what happened in history. Diet, plastics, sitting around, all of the above??
No.
In 2009 a band called "Owl City" released a song called fireflies. The song was so fucking gay that half the world instantly lost 5% off their bench (most falsely attributed this to just being dehydrated or having an off day), and our DNA was permanently altered, drastically affecting those whose bodies were still developing and maturing.
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No.
In 2009 a band called "Owl City" released a song called fireflies. The song was so fucking gay that half the world instantly lost 5% off their bench (most falsely attributed this to just being dehydrated or having an off day), and our DNA was permanently altered, drastically affecting those whose bodies were still developing and maturing.
I hated that song! Thanks for reminding me. Rather get the jab than listen to it
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Some supps can be beneficial. Most can be useless. I feel I recover quicker, with my post WO drink, and its dirt cheap (expired sale, shit is fine), so I use it daily.
Creatine
AllMax EAA with Phosphatidic Acid
Does it do wonders? Of course not. But minor recovery, and honestly, a little more EAA (than diet) and Creatine can never hurt.
I bought enough for a year, after that I'll see if I use moving FWD...
I actually stopped using creatine because it gave me more strengh during workouts, wich increased my soreness afterwards due to more work load being done. At least it's my rationale.
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On TRT, just do your own hypodermic shot. I hate, hate, hate, hate needles but it's easy to do. Ive never really gotten used to it but it is so easy to do. Just do it and get it over with. Gels and orals or pellets all have their own negatives. The needle is more of a mental block than an actual pain.
DHEA is great. I used it all the time before I went on TRT. DHEA is hormonal but not really anabolic but my energy levels, well being, etc... I read a study on DHEA being used in high doses , like 500 mgs a day, to treat depression.
At one point I was taking like 400 mgs a day and had no estrogenic side effects. I don't use DHEA now but I think I may use 50 mgs and see if it improves my mood. If estrogenic sides concern you you could use the otc AI (thats two words) arimistane like 25 mgs a day. You'll feel fan-fucking-tastic. Guaranteed.
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I actually stopped using creatine because it gave me more strengh during workouts, wich increased my soreness afterwards due to more work load being done. At least it's my rationale.
I'm actually looking for somethiing to increase soreness. Not thar soreness by itself is beneficial but it was always there in an extreme degree when I was a kid, and that's when the body changed the most. So I'd like to feel like I felt as a young fella. The soereness was bad and people wouldn't believe me if I said how bad but I didn't really mind it then regardless. William Llewellyn has a supp he's advertised for many years, a fat called arachidonic acid. Never got around to trying it but it's supposed to increase soreness.
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My thinking was
1) My test was low. I truly believe it was as a result of serious stress in home life and working the night shift for over 15 years and getting by on 3 to 4 hrs of sleep a day.
2) im going to eventually do it anyway (trt) so I might as well start at 50 while I still have 5 to 10 years to really reap the benefits instead of starting at 60 - 65 and feel/look like shit regardless.
I worked the night shift for many years. Many of those years was the swing shift between day shifts, afternoon shifts and over nights. Yes, I know the stress on the body and mind from this.
The problem is when you start using test the pituitary gland lowers the amount of LH hormone. Take testosterone for years and I wonder if your LH hormone will ever come back to previous levels? If you don't know, when a healthy man's test goes low it signals the pituitary gland to put out more LH that makes your balls produce testosterone.
Mine was around 300 when I was in my 60's. Saw a urologist that thought instead of test he would give me clomid because it makes the pituitary gland produce a ton of LH. My test went really high. If I remember it was 600 something. I forget the number but it was drastic. When I went back to the practice I found that doc left the practice so I saw another doc there. He was shocked the doc prescribed clomid for me. He said that's off use and the only use in men he knew of was to increase fertility in men trying to get their wife pregnant. He said even with that it was just a couple of months. Told me about a study where clomid use increased brain cancer in a study of users. Told me to get off it immediately.
Then I thought I would go to an expert in hormones an endocrinologist. He saw me and tested me. Around 320 if my memory serves me. He said he would give me test if I wanted but he said it can thicken blood increasing heart attack risk and increase prostate growth. He said, 320 was normal. He asked me how was my libido and I told him I had no problems. He said, "Look you are muscular with no libido problems. Why do you want it? I agreed with him and he said if you want to improve your test naturally get as lean as you can. Test goes up the leaner you get he told me.