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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Rob1986 on April 29, 2006, 05:26:12 AM
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check thread for updates from Fibo 2006.
http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261565#post261565
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same pic.
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I don't see anything wrong with his tricep. Monster gut, though... :-X
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Damn.. completely burnt out and just a taste of what will happen once he retires and lays off the sauce. Yes he has incredible genetics BUT he'd be nothing withOUT the sauce.. proof positive. ::)
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You know Jay Cutler is going to have a good Saturday after seeing those pics :)
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That last one is the perfect pose to make him look awful ;D
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Yikes! :-\
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It's time to play...
NAME THAT GUT!
What fatboy is THIS??
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Hint - he never has and NEVER WILL defeat RONNIE COLEMAN, MR. OLYPMIA until he decides to quit!
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It's time to play...
NAME THAT GUT!
What fatboy is THIS??
Is that really Cutler? He looks like a skin-toned refridgerator :-\
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Is that really Cutler? He looks like a skin-toned refridgerator :-\
It's Derek Anthony.
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It's time to play...
NAME THAT GUT!
What fatboy is THIS??
BrooklynBB, you have an exquisite sense of humor!
The headline on your S&H magazine avatar says...
REDUCING THE MIDDLE AGE SPREAD ;D
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It's the offseason, what did you guy's expect? By Olympia time, King Ronnie will be kickin' everbody's ass! 8)
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Why do these guys pose out of shape?Of coarse we know they can't be ripped all the time but still...why get nearly naked on stage when you are not even close to what people expect to see when they see a Mr. Olympia
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Incredible that he's able to transform from that disturbing ugliness to greatness in the same year.
Shouldn't be posing off season.
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It's Derek Anthony.
I agree Derek Anthony.... ;)
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the diff. between ronnie and everyone else is he takes shit in the off season then flirts with suicide 2 months from the "o"
from taking the drugstore in the off season to the whole warehouse leading up to the "0"
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The thing is, in clothes, your eyes would pop out if you saw him because he would look like a thick fucking monster. Staying lean all the time is a good way to stay SMALL. And trust me, just because he looks like that in no way means that he is "off."
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Why do these guys pose out of shape?Of coarse we know they can't be ripped all the time but still...why get nearly naked on stage when you are not even close to what people expect to see when they see a Mr. Olympia
That's what I have said for years. NO pro BB shoudl get on stage looking like that at anytime. It not only embarrasses them but also the pro BB community. It makes the promoter look bad, the show look bad and the fans feel like they got ripped off. I was at a show here when Coleman came in at about 330. He got up on stage and I swear he had to not been able to hear anything cause of the music, but I swear everyone was laughing and people yelling out "you fat fucker" and a bunch of other stuff. He may be Mr. Olympia but at least look halfway like you are. I mean it was really embarrassing. And most pros including the resident "mouth" come in looking like this. It is an embarrassement. It is true nobody would expect them to look perfect all year long but don't charge a promoter $5,000 to $10,000 plus expenses and rip off the fans who come to see a perfect body. It's a disgrace. I always thought a guest poser should not weigh more than 10 to 15 pounds over his competiton weight to guest pose.
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Yes he has incredible genetics BUT he'd be nothing withOUT the sauce.. proof positive. ::)
He looked great when he was sauce free (look at his early BB pics)....don't post stupid shi$ when u are uninformed
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He looked great when he was sauce free (look at his early BB pics)....don't post stupid shi$ when u are uninformed
he may have looked great, but he was still nothing. no one heard of him when he was sauce free.
learn how to read, dildo.
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That's what I have said for years. NO pro BB shoudl get on stage looking like that at anytime. It not only embarrasses them but also the pro BB community. It makes the promoter look bad, the show look bad and the fans feel like they got ripped off. I was at a show here when Coleman came in at about 330. He got up on stage and I swear he had to not been able to hear anything cause of the music, but I swear everyone was laughing and people yelling out "you fat fucker" and a bunch of other stuff. He may be Mr. Olympia but at least look halfway like you are. I mean it was really embarrassing. And most pros including the resident "mouth" come in looking like this. It is an embarrassement. It is true nobody would expect them to look perfect all year long but don't charge a promoter $5,000 to $10,000 plus expenses and rip off the fans who come to see a perfect body. It's a disgrace. I always thought a guest poser should not weigh more than 10 to 15 pounds over his competiton weight to guest pose.
Promoters know very well that Ronnie takes several months off and he looks like that every year.
If they invite him it means that he's still marketable and fans want to pay to see him posing. It's the market. Period.
You don't like how he looks off-season? Don't invite him! I'm sure Ronnie will have a good sleep nonetheless.....
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Obvious Ron can still get the appearance money even out of shape, but I can't see this enhancing his rep in any way.
The only way this makes sense is if the promoters insist on him in posing trunks as part of the deal.
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he may have looked great, but he was still nothing. no one heard of him when he was sauce free.
learn how to read, dildo.
He didn't say Coleman was only popular when he was on the sauce. He said he would "be NOTHING without sauce". Reality is that he was huge without sauce (some say he got his pro card sauce free). IF that is true, then he achieved pro status without sauce...making him SOMETHING.
You should learn how to interpret a sentence properly, "power rod".....lol
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The sauce is only one factor in how he can get back in great shape; stop trying to diminish the fact that Ron and his own willpower's the biggest factor.
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Yeah, I think some people don't really get how the free market and supply and demand works. This includes "the resident mouth." ;D Shawn used to argue that the Ironman prize money should go up, but I disagree. And if you don't like the prize money - don't compete. It's simple.
You got that right. Nobody cries that McD only pays $6 an hour- they just choose not to work there. Same with everything else in life. If the Ironman does't pay well, do another show. If the IFBB sucks, join the PDI. If BBing isn't profitable, go to Wall Street and put in your hours.
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i see plumboism in ronnie's guy..it has that look to it..
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i see plumboism in ronnie's guy..it has that look to it..
"ronnies guy" ?????
"plumboism" ??
are these code words Toxic?
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Ronnie with his monster Gut...
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It doesn't matter how out of shape he gets as long as he comes ripped for the show but that's not the problem I have with it. My problem is that if you're gonna guest pose... you gotta be in shape! A famous guest-poser attracts more audience and then when the guy they came to see comes out he looks like the Pilsburry dough boy. If you're gonna be fat don't guest pose!
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It doesn't matter how out of shape he gets as long as he comes ripped for the show but that's not the problem I have with it. My problem is that if you're gonna guest pose... you gotta be in shape! A famous guest-poser attracts more audience and then when the guy they came to see comes out he looks like the Pilsburry dough boy. If you're gonna be fat don't guest pose!
Exactly. Let's remember he IS MR. O! He attracts large crowds. There is no justification for him looking that way. Unless he is doing (posing) for free, that is not cool. This is not the first time he's showed up looking like that to pose. Shame on Ronnie. I don't expect him to be in contest shape, but c'mon, lay off the ho-ho's a bit.
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I think he looks good in most of those shots.
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I saw ROnnie guest posing once, and he looked really good! Better than these pics...I dunno, who cares, you all know when it counts hes better than everyone else..Hes gonna have his hands full with Cutler for sure though.
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I can understand Ronnie going off the source or cutting right down but if in doing so he just reverts to being one fat fvcker then he should stay covered up until the Olympia. This guy is so nondescript and a poor representative for bodybuilding. He can't string a coherent sentence together and he steps on stage looking like that.
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I can understand Ronnie going off the source or cutting right down but if in doing so he just reverts to being one fat fvcker then he should stay covered up until the Olympia. This guy is so nondescript and a poor representative for bodybuilding. He can't string a coherent sentence together and he steps on stage looking like that.
He has a degree in Accounting. He's probably smarter than you ::)
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He has a degree in Accounting. He's probably smarter than you ::)
Oh well if he has a degree...and in accounting too. A truly great man, I take it all back.
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Oh well if he has a degree...and in accounting too. A truly great man, I take it all back.
Good to see you change your mind. It's a shame that people think Ronnie is dumb because he is southern.
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The southern accent, some of the dance-posing, some of the classic lines all contribute.
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Good to see you change your mind. It's a shame that people think Ronnie is dumb because he is southern.
Never anything to do with him being southern. Purely that he can't actually string his words together. His accent has nothing to do with it. The fact he has a "degree" from some Mickey Mouse college is immaterial.
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Never anything to do with him being southern. Purely that he can't actually string his words together. His accent has nothing to do with it. The fact he has a "degree" from some Mickey Mouse college is immaterial.
Mickey Mouse college ::) What do you know about Grambling? ::) Ron has said that Ronnie was very articulate when they have spoken.
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Onlyme, at over 400 pounds your one to talk!
Ronnie Fat or in shape kicks your butt all over the place yet you Monday Morning Quarter back here like you have some kind of valid points Fat and Happy.
Please, dont throw Fat Stones at people until you lose the Spider Bite Fat from 5 years ago!
Talk about being a judgemental freak.
Fat calling other people fat. Nice job, you feel better?
Ronnie can lose the weight and he does it in unbelievable fashion yet you cant, dont and wont and you chime in here on this thread like some defender of the people?
One word for you slim Jim- Try getting on the TREADMILL and pipe down. >:(
OUT!
S. Ray
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Onlyme, at over 400 pounds your one to talk!
Ronnie Fat or in shape kicks your butt all over the place yet you Monday Morning Quarter back here like you have some kind of valid points Fat and Happy.
Please, dont throw Fat Stones at people until you lose the Spider Bite Fat from 5 years ago!
Talk about being a judgemental freak.
Fat calling other people fat. Nice job, you feel better?
Ronnie can lose the weight and he does it in unbelievable fashion yet you cant, dont and wont and you chime in here on this thread like some defender of the people?
One word for you slim Jim- Try getting on the TREADMILL and pipe down. >:(
OUT!
S. Ray
I thought you said you love the fans, shawn? ???
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bottom line is if people are gonna pay money to see you guest pose you don't come in out of shape.
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I thought you said you love the fans, shawn? ???
to be a fan requires that they don't act like an ass. he said he loves the fans, not that he loves everyone. not that there was a point in me clarifying that, you just wanted to chime in to be a dick. ::)
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i can accept that. But why doesn't shawn ignore keith, or argue his points? instead, he called him a fatass and posts mean pics, while he is well aware that keith lost half his leg and still could die from this. Keith's metab is f**ked, he is on who knows what meds, and he cannot walk. Who among us wouldn't gain weight from that? For shawn to call anyone with a brown recluse bite 'fat' is wrong.
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So that is what happened to ONLYME...He got bit by a spider..wow.I know before he had refered to his accident,but never heard what kind of accident.That sucks....didn't know he had lost a leg.If Shawn knew that then what a low blow that was to tell him to get on a treadmill. >:(
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Onlyme, at over 400 pounds your one to talk!
Ronnie Fat or in shape kicks your butt all over the place yet you Monday Morning Quarter back here like you have some kind of valid points Fat and Happy.
Please, dont throw Fat Stones at people until you lose the Spider Bite Fat from 5 years ago!
Talk about being a judgemental freak.
Fat calling other people fat. Nice job, you feel better?
Ronnie can lose the weight and he does it in unbelievable fashion yet you cant, dont and wont and you chime in here on this thread like some defender of the people?
One word for you slim Jim- Try getting on the TREADMILL and pipe down. >:(
OUT!
S. Ray
Nothing but class......... ::)
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Onlyme, at over 400 pounds your one to talk!
Ronnie Fat or in shape kicks your butt all over the place yet you Monday Morning Quarter back here like you have some kind of valid points Fat and Happy.
Please, dont throw Fat Stones at people until you lose the Spider Bite Fat from 5 years ago!
Talk about being a judgemental freak.
Fat calling other people fat. Nice job, you feel better?
Ronnie can lose the weight and he does it in unbelievable fashion yet you cant, dont and wont and you chime in here on this thread like some defender of the people?
One word for you slim Jim- Try getting on the TREADMILL and pipe down. >:(
OUT!
S. Ray
Funny thing is at 400 or 300 or even 200 I can kick your butt all over the place. So what does thst mean. All that will do is make me look like a bully for picking on a shirt washed up ex-pro BB who rips people off. Your a low-life drug dealer and user. Of all the people who shouldn't talk it's you. You are and everyone who knows you agrees that you are bascially a scumbag with some fame from a body that was drug ridden. WHo in your family can be proud of you. You let your mom go to jail for your drug dealing, you scam promoters by coming in looking like shit, you pretend you are a christian, you don't pay your debts, you lie just to make you look cool. Man talking about calling the kettle black.
Do you honestly think your bullshit isn't seen by people who really know you. you got some of these guys scammed but Shawna I know and so does allot of others on here the real you. Keep hiding behind your fake shit. It will catch up to you. Being an asshole and scumbag only last so long. Keep calling fat if that helps you sleep at night. But believe me I wouldn't trade my life and what I have done in the past or what is happening in the future with your life if it was an option over the death penalty. Your life sucks. You are a short man with a complex, that's it. lifted weights took a shitload of roids and other drugs became a star in an activity that no one cares about. Ohhhhhhhhh man what a hero. Now you do a charity and that is supposed to make you look good. Come on dipshit where have you been for the past 20 years. Selling and doing drugs and visiting mom. What a son, father and role model. Dude you lost give it up
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I just read the rest of Shawnas note. You are fat so thsat gives you a right to talk right. The only reason you defend the fat guest posing is because you did the same thing. You did it to me asshole. You were supposed to go up on stage with everybody else and you said no I am to fat. After a long time you finally went up I think when there was about 2 minutes left. Have you noticed how you never get asked back here by any promoter. I was told by EVERYONE not to bring you cause you sucked, were rude and always looked like shit. I didn't believe them. You sound so professional on the phone, you sold me. I admit it, I was taken in by your scam. Good job, you got me good. Then on top of that I was still cool to you and helped you get a suite at one of the most pretigious hotels in Hawaii. Only to get embarassed for helping you out becasue you through a baby fit in the lobby. God what crybaby. You do realize you made an ass out of yourself. And you still owe me for that. So sorry son you lose whatever battle you have with me. And like I said anytime you want to match CBC's with me I will. My fat insides are still in better shape than your drug ridden body. By the way I think your Karma is catching up to you and it should start paying you back at your show.
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You got that right. Nobody cries that McD only pays $6 an hour- they just choose not to work there. Same with everything else in life. If the Ironman does't pay well, do another show. If the IFBB sucks, join the PDI. If BBing isn't profitable, go to Wall Street and put in your hours.
Damn right, man. When it all comes down to it, there aren't going to be a lot of bleeding hearts for people that are getting paid pretty decently for living they're dream.
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Well this is the first time I have ever done this. These are pics of my leg just last week when I has an episode with my leg. I still have some poison in my leg. The doctors were going to amputate and I refused to let them. They told me I could have this problem for up to 10 to 15 years. It has gotten allot better than it was. The first 4 or 5 years it acted up monthly. Really bad. 103 fever, sevre redness then peeling of the skin, inflates to over 31 inches, hard as a rock and at times actually leaked fluid out the pores (over a gallon a day). It has gotten so much better where this was my worst episode in almost a year. It got very red and swelled up. But at least I can walk with it. It onkly last about a week then it goes back to almost normal. About 2 inches bigger than my other one. I have no calves at all cause I really can't work them much. The last picture is what my calves used tolook like. At least the same size. I feel I am ahead of schedule and I think my leg and everything will be back 100% sometime next year.
Anyway wanted to show everyone the reason why I haven't been able to train like I used to. I am back training. Slowly but at least regulary. Not looking for pity or anything just wanted to show people a contributing factor of why I gained so much weight. My thyroid also seemed to slow down but I took thyrod for awhile and it seems to be better than it was.
It's cool that Shawn makes fun of me because I am fat. I make fun of myself all the time. It gets me through the shit I have gone through. I get mad because he acts like he is perfect and still lies to the fans and everyone else. He won't talk about anything. He hides and shrugs shit off. I hate people who do what he does yet still reaps in the riches. But someday his day will come. I'd hate to see what he says about those kids behind their backs and other people who have had a curve ball pitched to them.
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Shawn you are shit, you lowlife! You have kids, people's kids always seem to pay for thier parents wrong doing.
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The entire business of bodybuilidng is based around and upon drug use/selling- so although it may be illegal- I don't get overly upset about it.
However, Shawn Ray has sunk to an all time low in his idiotic ramblings and has elevated Keith Jones to superstatus in my books. A role model is someone who has looked adversity in the face and stared it down. And kept moving forward.
Shawn Ray is hardly a hero and is not a role model by any means. He appears to be just another schmuck who believes his own press. He reads articles about himself in Flex magazine and says to himself " yeah, I am a great guy and a true leader !! It says it right there in the Flex Magazine so it must be true!!!"
I had no idea about the history between Keith and Shawn Ray yet their arguments often took a personal tone. Mr. Ray should have stuck to the credo that if you are going to take the dishonest road, that you at least be honest about it.
Mr. Ray certainly does come across as a person who simply flaps his mouth without ever considering what he is actually saying. AS up until now, he has never had to worry about the consequences of his words or actions. Why he even bothers to post here is beyond comprehension. The fact that he feels that he MUST respond to every criticism, small or large- is very telling about his personality.
That " lose the spider fat" or whatever certainly was an all time low. Keith could truly be an asshole on par with Ray but Keith has now been elevated to a higher moral ground through that specific barb.
I always found it interesting that some people should look up to these bodybuilders and Shawn Ray has simply proven me correct in that one post.
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interesting scientific pics thanks for the comparisons onlyme.
these are very helpful.
now if only the IFBB were that honest, open and scientific in
physique comparisons
their shows wouldnt be such a joke and perhaps they'd be taken seriously.
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Hole shit, onlyme, I didn't know it was that dramatic! :'(
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Hole shit, onlyme, I didn't know it was that dramatic! :'(
Neither did I. He barely mentions it. Someone should look for the thread where he "drones on and on about it " as Mr. Ray no doubt will pipe in. He goes along, doing his business, with few gripes and complaints about his lot in life and doesn't let on about his sufferings.
If only other people... "cough " Ray " cough " could have half the couth of this guy.
Really, I had no idea about the severity of the accident as he hasn't mentioned it in any of the posts I have read. And as I said, keith could be a complete jerk, on par with Shawn Ray yet until I pay him to guest pose at a show I put on AND he shows up fat and out of shape (spide bite fat & ugly?), I won't be calling him out on anything.
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that pic wasnt from today
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that pic wasnt from today
ah.. yeah... we know. The post says that it was from some time last week. The post was dated april 30'th or something.
Doesn't matter if it was last year; it was and still is a horrific accident that definitely put the crimps on anyone's training!
The comment about " spider fat" or whatever it was is ALMOST like making fun of a cripple for being in a wheelchair. Or making fun of a person who stutters. Making fun of something that is essentially beyond a person's control just ain't right.
Did Keith put the spider on his own body and then forced the thing to bite him? I don't think so.
As long as the pictures are of KEith Jones, then that is good enough for me.
Shawn Ray is a classless piece of scum- freaking bottom feeder- I have wiped stuff off the bottom of my boot that had more substance and class than Shawn Ray. I have more respect for lawyers and politicians than Shawn Ray. I am basing this on that one comment of his.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68729.0;attach=76091;image)
Shawn Ray chooses Keith, of all people, to make fun of. Ouch!
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Come on 240, I feel bad for Keith I think he is a cool guy. BUT, he is the one starting Shawn's bashing sessions. Shawn has all the right to defend himself
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I'd agree- if Shawn was willing to argue issues. Keith will ask about a promoter issue, and shawn responds with 'get on a treadmill, fatass' along with a jabba the hut pic.
If shawn would settle down into a fair, unbiased, non-delete argument like Milos does, it'd be great. But the rude pics don't make him look like a professional promoter about to do his first show in 2 weeks.
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You are right about that point
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that pic wasnt from today
No those legs pics are from about 10 days ago. They were on my daughters camera but she has been on Oahu. I just got them on Friday. I wasn't going to post pics of them cause they are not something I am proud of showing. These are the first time I have ever posted these pics. Just wanted to show that I do have a half-assed reason why I can't work out all the time and burn calories. Thanks for the support you guys. It is a little harder than I planned.
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keith, many moons ok i studied exotic diseases and seen some interesting comparisons of elephantitus clients.
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Fukc! Only me...all this from a brown recluse? Sorry this happened! I know someone else who was bitten by the same type of spider and although is was tough, she was up and running in a matter of weeks. I wonder why your case is so severe?
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f**k! Only me...all this from a brown recluse? Sorry this happened! I know someone else who was bitten by the same type of spider and although is was tough, she was up and running in a matter of weeks. I wonder why your case is so severe?
Keith got mad and bit it back.
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f**k! Only me...all this from a brown recluse? Sorry this happened! I know someone else who was bitten by the same type of spider and although is was tough, she was up and running in a matter of weeks. I wonder why your case is so severe?
I believe everyone has their own type of reaction to the bite...
I had a friend who was bit by one...he was sick for 6 months....half his body turned purple....but after the 6 months he was fine....
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Keith,
What's the prognosis for long term recovery?
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Ouch! Onlyme, hope it gets better over time - keep training and stay strong! ;)
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i dont know too much about all this. what are some of the shawn stuff?
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i dont know too much about all this. what are some of the shawn stuff?
think slime unprofessional
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how?
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keith, many moons ok i studied exotic diseases and seen some interesting comparisons of elephantitus clients.
The thing is my leg goes back to almost normal. The color is not to bad and the size is just a couple inches bigger than my other one. The thing I do like is I had thishuge bloster on the front of my legf about 10 hours after I got to the hospital. They cut it off and it looked like the other pic (2nd pic ain't my leg but it looked exactly the same). I have no scar in the front of my leg. I have seen some really ugly scars. I don't even have a scar. I think the Kukui Nut Oil I used while in the hospital and out helped that.
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Come on 240, I feel bad for Keith I think he is a cool guy. BUT, he is the one starting Shawn's bashing sessions. Shawn has all the right to defend himself
I did not start any of this bashing crap. Shawn started the personal attacks when I critcized him on his views of the PDI and Wayne. That is when he started with the fat jokes. Since obviously attacking his body and physical appearance won't work (even though he is fat now) I had to use the ammo I had to defend myself, all the facts about Shawn and his past. And most of the ones I use are from personal experience. I just couldn't imagine what he would say if he ever voluteered for the Special Olympics.
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Mr. Ray's comments to Keith always seemed to have a personal tone to them. Something sounded overly defensive about his posts. I am not going back to re-read them as once was enough, in this case. It just seemed that something was being left unsaid or that these two had far more to do with each other than either let on. Mr. Ray's comments almost seemed to be a strategy to be aggressive first as his defense policy- a form of pre-emptive attack.
Mr. Ray need not have defended himself: against whom and for what? Against some jerk on an internet chat room? How could it be that an insignificant person on some small board suddenly be so important to Mr. Ray that he come on to respond to these things? He ostensibly has achieved greatness in this sport whereas most of the people making comments have done very little. Many still live in the basement with their momma - that reminds me... " Hey ma, I want gravy with my fries!!"
Mr. Ray showed up fat and out of shape at a contest promoted by onlyme. Rather than feel embarrassed about this fact, Mr. Ray now runs around on this board bad mouthing Keith at every opportunity. He says that " Hey, I am only defending myself!" which is as stupid as it is silly. He never addresses any of the issues at hand.
This seems to be the pattern actually: bad mouth everything until you hope it goes away. The PDI thing, Wayne, this specific issue or whatever else. Try to spread false information or deflect the truth until no one can tell the difference.
Shawn Ray is a classless scum sucker who resorts to low blow tactics and deflection. He still tries to make himself look good in spite of whatever evidence exists to the contrary.
Perhaps his lower than desired placings had more to do with this aspect of his personality: the judges refused to give the crown to an a.s.s.
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Mr. Ray's comments to Keith always seemed to have a personal tone to them. Something sounded overly defensive about his posts. I am not going back to re-read them as once was enough, in this case. It just seemed that something was being left unsaid or that these two had far more to do with each other than either let on. Mr. Ray's comments almost seemed to be a strategy to be aggressive first as his defense policy- a form of pre-emptive attack.
Mr. Ray need not have defended himself: against whom and for what? Against some jerk on an internet chat room? How could it be that an insignificant person on some small board suddenly be so important to Mr. Ray that he come on to respond to these things? He ostensibly has achieved greatness in this sport whereas most of the people making comments have done very little. Many still live in the basement with their momma - that reminds me... " Hey ma, I want gravy with my fries!!"
Mr. Ray showed up fat and out of shape at a contest promoted by onlyme. Rather than feel embarrassed about this fact, Mr. Ray now runs around on this board bad mouthing Keith at every opportunity. He says that " Hey, I am only defending myself!" which is as stupid as it is silly. He never addresses any of the issues at hand.
This seems to be the pattern actually: bad mouth everything until you hope it goes away. The PDI thing, Wayne, this specific issue or whatever else. Try to spread false imformation or deflect the truth until no one can tell the difference.
Shawn Ray is a classless scum sucker who resorts to low blow tactics and deflection. He still tries to make himself look good in spite of whatever evidence exists to the contrary.
Perhaps his lower than desired placings had more to do with this aspect of his personality: the judges refused to give the crown to an a.s.s.
Let's see you place top 5 in the Olympia for 12 consecutive years ::)
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Let's see you place top 5 in the Olympia for 12 consecutive years ::)
I don't think (at least I don't) people are arguing over Shawns body. Even I admit I liked his body. He was awesome. But, his attitude, personality, karma, and the way he chose to live his life could be a reason he did only place in the top 5 at the Olympia yet never won it. Sometimes your private life affects yourprofessioanl life. Happens all the time. He may have looked awesome in his day but it shows you that looks aren't everything (did I just say that). When I was in shape and competing I know I got allot of attention from EVERYBODY. At 6'1" 300lbs with a sub-38" waist I got plenty of attention. But, the thing I got most remarked on was how nice I was and how easy it was to talk to me and how I could talk to anyone. My body got the introduction but my personality closed the deal. I didn't ever feel it neccessary to put down anyone for anything no matter what. Perfect example is how I helped Shawn with his honeymoon even after I got screwed at my show. For some reason I don't hold grudges. Another example even after all this shit I say about Shawn and his show and after he constantly calls me fat, I am the one who hooked him up with the military support at his show. Did he mention this at all. NO. I still tried to help him even after all the shit that has gone down in here. SO judge it for yourself.
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oh and i think he should have won a an olympia or two but he's got this thing you see...he's got countless character flaws that you cant get rid of like body fat or an addiction. he's pathetic. actually, i feel sorry for him. :'(
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Let's see you place top 5 in the Olympia for 12 consecutive years ::)
Lucious,
This is the classic Deflection i was talking about. NO one is arguing the fact that the guy had a great physique. I can't place in the top five in a local competition having only 5 competitors! This has no bearing on the argument put forth: neither does Mr. Ray's past competition history. That speaks for itself.
When a person places almost complete emphasis on the superficial and places his contest history as being directly proportional to his personality ( he looks great so must be a great guy ! ), this oft times leads to some rather very disturbing scenarios.
In the parlance, Shawn Ray would be called an oil slick- a mile wide but only half inch deep.
People who get all caught up in idolatry often lose focus: they confuse the myth for the man.
Mr. Ray had a fantastic physique and he was aptly rewarded for it. This may have warped his own thinking about who and what he is though. It is quite obvious that it has warped many otherwise sharp minds.
I don't think (at least I don't) people are arguing over Shawns body. Even I admit I liked his body. He was awesome. But, his attitude, personality, karma, and the way he chose to live his life could be a reason he did only place in the top 5 at the Olympia yet never won it. Sometimes your private life affects yourprofessioanl life. Happens all the time. He may have looked awesome in his day but it shows you that looks aren't everything (did I just say that). When I was in shape and competing I know I got allot of attention from EVERYBODY. At 6'1" 300lbs with a sub-38" waist I got plenty of attention. But, the thing I got most remarked on was how nice I was and how easy it was to talk to me and how I could talk to anyone. My body got the introduction but my personality closed the deal. I didn't ever feel it neccessary to put down anyone for anything no matter what. Perfect example is how I helped Shawn with his honeymoon even after I got screwed at my show. For some reason I don't hold grudges. Another example even after all this shit I say about Shawn and his show and after he constantly calls me fat, I am the one who hooked him up with the military support at his show. Did he mention this at all. NO. I still tried to help him even after all the shit that has gone down in here. SO judge it for yourself.
Keith,
There are so many negative people on this board, everything about these people screams " negative vibes". Shawn Ray is one of these people. Just under the surface of their personae, they are empty. Empty empty empty. They are grasping onto anything to make themselves real. A common theme to feel real is to destroy other people. Especially people who have helped them in their attempt to become real. Usually these are the people closest to these 'empty people'. They attempt to destroy the people closest to them; those who know them the best.
People who dont' understand any of this are bound to pipe in to say " psycho mumbo jumbo " or " pysch 101 " or whatever. Or that I am being a smart ass or some sort of thing to try to lessen the truth of what I have written.
Doesn't make it any less true.
Sarcasm will inevitably pipe in with his schtick and then one or several of his mutliple personalities will respond in kind. It's always the same on this board.
the overwhelming trait that most pleasely closely associate with myself is how overwhelmingly ugly/stupid/ i am.
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oh and i think he should have won a an olympia or two but he's got this thing you see...he's got countless character flaws that you cant get rid of like body fat or an addiction. he's pathetic. actually, i feel sorry for him. :'(
Yeah, I think i even wrote that he should have won at least one. As you have said or implied, the show is about who is best on stage, damn the personality of the winner. But the character flaws are indeed astounding and exceedingly obvious to those who know what to look for and what we are looking at.
I can't believe that he responds to anything yet he responds to EVERYTHING. We should be insignificant to him but for some reason, it is important to him for his self identity, to defend everything. Just about every professional bodybuilder is like this: overly defensive and pre-emptively aggressive. And yes it is possible to have both characteristics. This is why other some other blue stars come to his rescue.
The character traits to allow a person to rise to the top of his/her profession are rarely those same traits that allow a person to have humility, true compassion and likeability. And some traits are in direct conflict with the others. It's hardly surprising.
But Mr. Ray takes it to an obvious and higher level than necessary.
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Lucious,
This is the classic Deflection i was talking about. NO one is arguing the fact that the guy had a great physique. I can't place in the top five in a local competition having only 5 competitors! This has no bearing on the argument put forth: neither does Mr. Ray's past competition history. That speaks for itself.
When a person places almost complete emphasis on the superficial and places his contest history as being directly proportional to his personality ( he looks great so must be a great guy ! ), this oft times leads to some rather very disturbing scenarios.
In the parlance, Shawn Ray would be called an oil slick- a mile wide but only half inch deep.
People who get all caught up in idolatry often lose focus: they confuse the myth for the man.
Mr. Ray had a fantastic physique and he was aptly rewarded for it. This may have warped his own thinking about who and what he is though. It is quite obvious that it has warped many otherwise sharp minds.
Keith,
There are so many negative people on this board, everything about these people screams " negative vibes". Shawn Ray is one of these people. Just under the surface of their personae, they are empty. Empty empty empty. They are grasping onto anything to make themselves real. A common theme to feel real is to destroy other people. Especially people who have helped them in their attempt to become real. Usually these are the people closest to these 'empty people'. They attempt to destroy the people closest to them; those who know them the best.
People who dont' understand any of this are bound to pipe in to say " psycho mumbo jumbo " or " pysch 101 " or whatever. Or that I am being a smart ass or some sort of thing to try to lessen the truth of what I have written.
Doesn't make it any less true.
Sarcasm will inevitably pipe in with his schtick and then one or several of his mutliple personalities will respond in kind. It's always the same on this board.
the overwhelming trait that most pleasely closely associate with myself is how overwhelmingly ugly/stupid/ i am.
Bodybuilding is not a popularity contest. Shawn proved onstage that he was one of the best. ::)
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Okay, I realize that I will never attain his size and contest conditioning but in that first picture he looks like crap. That is not what a bodybuilder should look like. I realize these guys add fat and water to their frame but there should still be abs visible and less of a pregant looking stomach. At least bigger guys like Jay and Gunter have some conditioning in the offseason.
Ronnie's a lot bigger than you ::)
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Well this is the first time I have ever done this. These are pics of my leg just last week when I has an episode with my leg. I still have some poison in my leg. The doctors were going to amputate and I refused to let them. They told me I could have this problem for up to 10 to 15 years. It has gotten allot better than it was. The first 4 or 5 years it acted up monthly. Really bad. 103 fever, sevre redness then peeling of the skin, inflates to over 31 inches, hard as a rock and at times actually leaked fluid out the pores (over a gallon a day). It has gotten so much better where this was my worst episode in almost a year. It got very red and swelled up. But at least I can walk with it. It onkly last about a week then it goes back to almost normal. About 2 inches bigger than my other one. I have no calves at all cause I really can't work them much. The last picture is what my calves used tolook like. At least the same size. I feel I am ahead of schedule and I think my leg and everything will be back 100% sometime next year.
Anyway wanted to show everyone the reason why I haven't been able to train like I used to. I am back training. Slowly but at least regulary. Not looking for pity or anything just wanted to show people a contributing factor of why I gained so much weight. My thyroid also seemed to slow down but I took thyrod for awhile and it seems to be better than it was.
It's cool that Shawn makes fun of me because I am fat. I make fun of myself all the time. It gets me through the shit I have gone through. I get mad because he acts like he is perfect and still lies to the fans and everyone else. He won't talk about anything. He hides and shrugs shit off. I hate people who do what he does yet still reaps in the riches. But someday his day will come. I'd hate to see what he says about those kids behind their backs and other people who have had a curve ball pitched to them.
:'( :'( :'(
Hope you have a speedy recovery..!
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Bodybuilding is not a popularity contest. Shawn proved onstage that he was one of the best. ::)
you are arguing with yourself. No one is arguing these points you keep bringing up.
But keep trying. it's always fun to read your contributions.
two semi colons then bracket to make a rolly eye smiley... got to remember that one.
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Very true but I would rather weigh significantly less (which I do) than be heavier and look like that. If he wants to look like he shouldn't guest pose.
That has been the issue: pro bodybuilders who demand huge fees with the promotor's expectation that "big name bodybuilder" equates to " more bums in seats". However, when they show up far from even good shape, but just a blob, only the most hardcore guys/girls would appreciate that. Quite a few people in the audience would be sorely disappointed at seeing a 330 pound Coleman on stage with a gut hanging out & barely able to breathe.
Not saying that Coleman in entirely a blob as you can see lots of muscle there.. just that if I had to pay money to see that, then I would have been somewhat disappointed. 10 bucks? okay,,, 25 and over...too much money.
This is where the lower tier bodybuilders could make good coin: be in good shape year round and charge big bucks to come guest pose.
If you are going to look like that, then I agree: it would be best if you didn't charge for your guest posing round. If the news about a person's shape gets to all the promotors, then the bodybuilder in question will see his demand go down. And he'll have to change his fees.
Mr. Coleman certainly appears to be resting a bit on his laurels with that level of conditioning.
it could have been over in FIBO or wherever as many of the guys who go over there at that time of the year are far from being in good shape. It's all a good time and no one gives a shit.
it's a tough call.
It isn't about who won how many trophies: it's about professionalism. Not every professional has it. I am not a professional in anything. There is no expectation of anything around me. I and many other people on the board are not expected to show up in good shape for a guest posing routine. And no one pays me 3000 to 5000 dollars for my advice.
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Very true but I would rather weigh significantly less (which I do) than be heavier and look like that. If he wants to look like he shouldn't guest pose.
America is an obese country and it makes many people feel comfortable to see a professional "athlete" look like that. ;D
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Unfortunately it is. People rely too much on fast food for meals. It is quite disgusting to look at these people walking down the street.
True todays people are way fatter than the population of just 10 years ago. All these fancy diets and drugs and operations yet people are getting fatter. I am constantly saying to my friends when I see a fat person how can they live like that for so long. I mean I was a skinny kid. I always had muscles because I did gymnastics and ballet since 2nd grade. In fact when I ws a freashman I made the varsity baseball team but the coach put me down to JV cause he said I needed to get bigger. I weighed 130. And to make our varsity team was a huge acheivemment cause that particular team had 5 future pro ball players on including Cy Young winner Mike Scott from Houston.
Anyway, being skinny then fit and musclular to now fat I have spread myself over the whole gambit of physical structure. And I can tell you from personal experience being fit and muscular wins hands down.
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Yay.. From Ronnie pics to Onlyme pics... ;D
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Why do so many people think Shawn is short? It is no more accurate to say 5'7 is tall as it is to say it's short.
The average American male (black or white) is 5'10". Shawn is shorter than at least 75% of the population. He's about the same height as Al Pacino.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
http://www.halls.md/on/men-height-b.htm
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The average American male (black or white) is 5'10". Shawn is shorter than at least 75% of the population. He's about the same height as Al Pacino.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
http://www.halls.md/on/men-height-b.htm
It says the average height for all American males is 5-9.2 and Shawn isn't much shorter than that. ::)
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BrooklynBB, you have an exquisite sense of humor!
The headline on your S&H magazine avatar says...
REDUCING THE MIDDLE AGE SPREAD ;D
LOL ... that's very good. :)
Ok, so here's the full pic of the stomach I posted. Took a while, but here he is:
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If Ronnie didn't exist, Jay would be getting his sixth Sandow in October. :o
If the Sun didn't exist, then we'd freeze to death.
But niether will ever happen. :)
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If the Sun didn't exist, then we'd freeze to death.
But niether will ever happen. :)
Considering there's almost a 10 year age difference between Coleman and Cutler would you be willing to put a wager on it?
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It says the average height for all American males is 5-9.2 and Shawn isn't much shorter than that. ::)
Shawna is 5'7". He is basically the same height or shorter than a women. Which is convienent when you think about it. Short people like him get made fun of while young. It is a major reason why he has the Napolean Complex. It is something that comes with the territory.
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i hope Jay will kick Ronnies ass this year i cant wait to see it ! :)
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LOL ... that's very good. :)
Ok, so here's the full pic of the stomach I posted. Took a while, but here he is:
At least it's better than this one
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No he isn't. The average height of a woman is a little over 5'4. A woman who is 5'7 is about as tall for a woman as 6'0 is tall for a male - i.e., in the top 10% of their sex for height.
Also, people who are short while young are more likely to develop and inferiority complex than people who are average or above average height while young but turn out to be short as adults. If someone is short throughout their youth and ends up 6'2, he is just as likely to have a complex as someone who was always short and remains that way. For myself, it's very hard for me to look at myself any differently than the 130 pounds I was when I was 18. I know guys who are smaller than me know but were bigger while young and see themselves in a more realistic light.
I highly doubt Shawn has a complex but I could be wrong.
But in any case 5'7 is not short. Shawn is taller than about 90% of women so I doubt his height was ever a concern. I am 5'9 or so with excellent posture and am usually at eye level with those who are 5'10 or 5'11 and I've been called short. It's no more accurate to call me short than it is to call me tall. Same goes for Shawn. Now at 5'5 and 1/2 or lower, short is more of an accurate description.
I believe 5'7" to 6'1" is considered medium height , 5'6" and under is considered short & 6'2" and over is tall , so Shawn is low man on the medium height totem pole .
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No he isn't. The average height of a woman is a little over 5'4. A woman who is 5'7 is about as tall for a woman as 6'0 is tall for a male - i.e., in the top 10% of their sex for height.
Also, people who are short while young are more likely to develop and inferiority complex than people who are average or above average height while young but turn out to be short as adults. If someone is short throughout their youth and ends up 6'2, he is just as likely to have a complex as someone who was always short and remains that way. For myself, it's very hard for me to look at myself any differently than the 130 pounds I was when I was 18. I know guys who are smaller than me know but were bigger while young and see themselves in a more realistic light.
I highly doubt Shawn has a complex but I could be wrong.
But in any case 5'7 is not short. Shawn is taller than about 90% of women so I doubt his height was ever a concern. I am 5'9 or so with excellent posture and am usually at eye level with those who are 5'10 or 5'11 and I've been called short. It's no more accurate to call me short than it is to call me tall. Same goes for Shawn. Now at 5'5 and 1/2 or lower, short is more of an accurate description.
Yes Shawn has a complex why do you think he always wants to be in the spotlight. He retired so no one was paying attention to him so he held a charity golf event. Now he is trying to be a promoter. Yes he has a complex. I never said he was the height of an average women. But, at least he can feel better about himself cause he is taller than 90% of all women. Plus he is probably 5'7" in boots or heels or whatever he wears. Barefoot he is probably closer to 5'6" or 5'5". He is so cute though. Kind of like Bruce Penhall who was short and cute
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It says the average height for all American males is 5-9.2 and Shawn isn't much shorter than that. ::)
Read the links fuckface. The average height for blacks and caucasians in the US is 5'10". He's in the bottom 10-15% heightwise.
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Damn.. completely burnt out and just a taste of what will happen once he retires and lays off the sauce. Yes he has incredible genetics BUT he'd be nothing withOUT the sauce.. proof positive. ::)
What are you talking about fool? He is OFFSEASON. He is probably eating 10000 calories per day. He looks to be about 320-330 in those shots (can anyone confirm this?).
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onlyme
i once met and trained with shwan
he was very nice to me
now i am shawns defender
and you are fat
u was fat in yer old pics
u are just a fat man
hahahaha
fat one legged hippo
come to the uk we got a nice place in a zoo
shawn gay made my day when he did pay for gay
hahahahah loooool
MELT DOWN
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Read the links fuckface. The average height for blacks and caucasians in the US is 5'10". He's in the bottom 10-15% heightwise.
I did read the links. Blacks and Hispanics aren't the only people in America ::) Or did you not realize that, given your Ivory Tower perspective ::)
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do blacks still live in trees?
hahahahahaha
loooooooooooooooooooool
j/k
lucious you homo i know u cum in yer pant wen u c a semi-nude bodybuilder
a little rundown
mindspin why do they call you yemeni?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
mindspin is a raghead dune coon camel jockey
mindspin u paki Black
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muppet
That, my racist freind, just earned you a ban. Hope you enjoyed your time here...
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Yes, One ban for a ass wipe.
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It says the average height for all American males is 5-9.2 and Shawn isn't much shorter than that. ::)
Average height literally means somewhere in the middle between tall and short therefore if you are taller than average, you are tall and if you are shorter than average you are short. 5"9.2' would be right in the middle. However if you're a midget under 4"11' then yes shawn would tower of you and you could say.... damn Shawn's not that short at all, screw that... he's damn tall. LOL...
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Average height literally means somewhere in the middle between tall and short therefore if you are taller than average, you are tall and if you are shorter than average you are short. 5"9.2' would be right in the middle. However if you're a midget under 4"11' then yes shawn would tower of you and you could say.... damn Shawn's not that short at all, screw that... he's damn tall. LOL...
You aren't short just because you are shorter than average, just as you are not poor because you make less than the median income. There are ranges and being 5-7 is not noteworthy enough to be called short, in my opinion.
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Nothing but class......... ::)
yeah he could learn a thing or two from a classy individual like yourself right gordiano ;)
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I agree that 5'7 is not noteworthy enough to be called short. I always looked at short as being under 5'6 and I don't just say that because I'm 5'9, but have always felt that way.
http://www.shortsupport.org/Research/analyzer.html
Shawn is taller than 31% of men and 90% of women. He also has (or had) good posture and a lot of mass which would project his presence. Give him big boots and he might even be taller. Unless he is already wearing the big boots and is only 5'7 and is actually 5'5 or 5'6 but I doubt that. He looks a legit 5'7.
http://www.bodybuildingreviews.net/Contests/MastersO2003Eve2.html
That's true, it is hard to tell how tall he is without shoes, but when I think of short, I think of looking at someone and just instantly realizing that they are vertically challenged ;D
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Damn.. completely burnt out and just a taste of what will happen once he retires and lays off the sauce. Yes he has incredible genetics BUT he'd be nothing withOUT the sauce.. proof positive. ::)
What kind of sauce are you talking about...your an idiot. I dont think skimping on the KC masterpiece BBQ sauce is going to be detrimental to his physique. What if he uses some other sauce in the off season like teriyaki or pasta sauce? You gotta think before you post man.
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What kind of sauce are you talking about...your an idiot. I dont think skimping on the KC masterpiece BBQ sauce is going to be detrimental to his physique. What if he uses some other sauce in the off season like teriyaki or pasta sauce? You gotta think before you post man.
::)
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What kind of sauce are you talking about...your an idiot. I dont think skimping on the KC masterpiece BBQ sauce is going to be detrimental to his physique. What if he uses some other sauce in the off season like teriyaki or pasta sauce? You gotta think before you post man.
best post ever!!!
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Wao, Shawn looks like Jose Canseco in that pic, Are you sure he is not 6'4"??
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68729.0;attach=76565;image)
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Wao, Shawn looks like Jose Canseco in that pic, Are you sure he is not 6'4"??
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68729.0;attach=76565;image)
Flavio has an impressive physique and the man is a class act. His posedown with Lou Ferrigno was a classic!