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Not sure if you guys have noticed, but it seems like majority of pros (despite a select few) and mainly training with machines. Very rarely do I see heavy dumbell and barbell work, have you guys noticed this? Maybe that's the reason a lot of them lack density? Don't get me wrong I use machines for certain movements, but the meat and potatoes of my training revolves around barbell/dumbbell movements.
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Not sure if you guys have noticed, but it seems like majority of pros (despite a select few) and mainly training with machines. Very rarely do I see heavy dumbell and barbell work, have you guys noticed this? Maybe that's the reason a lot of them lack density? Don't get me wrong I use machines for certain movements, but the meat and potatoes of my training revolves around barbell/dumbbell movements.
The amount of gear these guys take, they take the easy way out... (Will grow no matter what).
Machines have a purpose, but barbell/dumbbell training is king...
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Pussies Of Peace
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Never use free weights but only machines and at all costs avoid injuries.
The goal is to age healthily and practice
until the end of your life.
All pros train on machines, free weights are only
for shooting. Easier to move around in a well-lit area of the gym with barbell and dumbbell.
Never do a deadlift. The most destructive exercise.
Avoid squats and bench presses.
No one is a warrior, no one has the same morpho anato.
Tom Platz, for example, has the characteristics of a dwarf that allowed him to develop his legs and prevent injuries with squat.
Never copy anyone.
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Never use free weights but only machines and at all costs avoid injuries.
The goal is to age healthily and practice
until the end of your life.
All pros train on machines, free weights are only
for shooting. Easier to move around in a well-lit area of the gym with barbell and dumbbell.
Never do a deadlift. The most destructive exercise.
Avoid squats and bench presses.
No one is a warrior, no one has the same morpho anato.
Tom Platz, for example, has the characteristics of a dwarf that allowed him to develop his legs and prevent injuries with squat.
Never copy anyone.
So don’t pay attention to your post?
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I mix it up but free weights are king.
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You might be able to train much "harder" with machines. Machines increase stability, when you don't have to stabilise you can achieve higher target muscle output on a machine. Compare a leg press to a squat. I think you can get much closer to quadriceps failure on a leg press. With squats your form typically starts to deteriorate as the set goes on and when you fail it's maybe because your back rounds and your chest collapses.
Most bodybuilders who claim to only train with "free weights" typically use about 90% machines. They don't even know wtf they are claiming. Who trains calves with free weights only? Who doesn't do machine pulldowns? Who never uses machines for hamstrings?
There are some moves where free weights might be preferable - just pick the best tool for the job.
Machines can be safer too if they are well constructed. Pec tears are more rare on machines.
I love some free weight moves though. Not because I think I will grow faster, I just enjoy it.
Who the hell knows what "density" even means? Wasn't Dorian's back dense - it was mostly machines and he could easily have substituted the barbell row with a machine imo.
Which is better and or safer?
This:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CeMgTMqj5cY/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Or this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CwcunFVN-ou/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Never use free weights but only machines and at all costs avoid injuries.
The goal is to age healthily and practice
until the end of your life.
All pros train on machines, free weights are only
for shooting. Easier to move around in a well-lit area of the gym with barbell and dumbbell.
Never do a deadlift. The most destructive exercise.
Avoid squats and bench presses.
No one is a warrior, no one has the same morpho anato.
Tom Platz, for example, has the characteristics of a dwarf that allowed him to develop his legs and prevent injuries with squat.
Never copy anyone.
Stop parroting that tranny fucker Michael Gundill/Jérôme Simonet, you french phaggot
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Machines for the most part will stress the target muscle more than the equivalent free weight exercise
They are also safer
However they don't work the hidden stabiliser muscles as much
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Never use free weights but only machines and at all costs avoid injuries.
The goal is to age healthily and practice
until the end of your life.
All pros train on machines, free weights are only
for shooting. Easier to move around in a well-lit area of the gym with barbell and dumbbell.
Never do a deadlift. The most destructive exercise.
Avoid squats and bench presses.
No one is a warrior, no one has the same morpho anato.
Tom Platz, for example, has the characteristics of a dwarf that allowed him to develop his legs and prevent injuries with squat.
Never copy anyone.
I’m going to do the exact opposite of your advices. I’m willing to die for you bitches. Look for me in the obituaries!
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Never use free weights but only machines and at all costs avoid injuries.
The goal is to age healthily and practice
until the end of your life.
All pros train on machines, free weights are only
for shooting. Easier to move around in a well-lit area of the gym with barbell and dumbbell.
Never do a deadlift. The most destructive exercise.
Avoid squats and bench presses.
No one is a warrior, no one has the same morpho anato.
Tom Platz, for example, has the characteristics of a dwarf that allowed him to develop his legs and prevent injuries with squat.
Never copy anyone.
Never use free weights but only machines and at all costs avoid injuries.
The goal is to age healthily and practice
until the end of your life.
All pros train on machines, free weights are only
for shooting. Easier to move around in a well-lit area of the gym with barbell and dumbbell.
Never do a deadlift. The most destructive exercise.
Avoid squats and bench presses.
No one is a warrior, no one has the same morpho anato.
Tom Platz, for example, has the characteristics of a dwarf that allowed him to develop his legs and prevent injuries with squat.
Never copy anyone.
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I copied you...........sorry ! :D
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I use both but if I had to pick one .......... free weights!
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I use both but if I had to pick one .......... free weights!
I’ve personally seen Mike perform dumbbell seated side laterals, so he’s not lying to us
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I mix it up as most of us more than likely do.
I no longer bench, but use free weights on DB Inclines,no squatting due to bulging discs and have to be careful rowing,but mostly use free weights.
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I use both but if I had to pick one .......... free weights!
I get the logic on machines and do like hammer strength pressing machines but just prefer the feel of free weights
Also what would this translate to on a conventional bar ? It looks like no breaths are being taken during the lift?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw2aPPDO61x/
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I get the logic on machines but just prefer the feel of free weights
Also what would this translate to on a conventional bar ? It looks like no breaths are being taken during the lift?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cw2aPPDO61x/
You`re not too jealous of Matt are you Brian?
He lives rent free in your head.....you`d never equal his power,he weighs 170 pounds.
You can never come close to translating stuff like that......some guys are better at reps some are great at one rep maxes.........it`s more than you can do though.....that is an accurate statement.
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Don't have time to load plates 100% of the time.
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You`re not too jealous of Matt are you Brian?
He lives rent free in your head.....you`d never equal his power,he weighs 170 pounds.
You can never come close to translating stuff like that......some guys are better at reps some are great at one rep maxes.........it`s more than you can do though.....that is an accurate statement.
He claims his current bodyweight is over 200 and about a week ago he claimed a 635lb deadlift. I am just trying to clarify if this machine is what he meant when he said he could deadlift 635lbs
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He claims his current bodyweight is over 200 and about a week ago he claimed a 635lb deadlift. I am just trying to clarify if this machine is what he meant when he said he could deadlift 635lbs
You`re jealous that`s why you critiqued his form on seated db presses.... when you shake like a bowl of Jello benching, and do wobbly half squats.......you`ve got brass balls pal.
He`s light years more powerful than you`ll ever be.
You could just PM him you know.....it would make you look like less of a jealous imbecile.
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You`re jealous that`s why you critiqued his form on seated db presses.... when you shake like a bowl of Jello benching, and do wobbly half squats.......you`ve got brass balls pal.
He`s light years more powerful than you`ll ever be.
You could just PM him you know.....it would make you look like less of a jealous imbecile.
I am absolutely stronger than Matt read his own admission he recently maxed out at 295lbs on bench and not even sure he meant a real bench press just like he sure as hell didnt mean a real deadlift
https://www.instagram.com/p/CwhGW8Ksjzf/
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I am absolutely stronger than Matt read his own admission he recently maxed out at 295lbs on bench and not even sure he meant a real bench press just like he sure as hell didnt mean a real deadlift
https://www.instagram.com/p/CwhGW8Ksjzf/
Dude,he weighs one fucking seventy.....which means he crushes you !!
He`s strongman training.....the lifts don`t have to be perfect.
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Dude,he weighs one fucking seventy.....which means he crushes you !!
He`s strongman training.....the lifts don`t have to be perfect.
He weighs 200 and that isn't how it works anyway.
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He weighs 200 and that isn't how it works anyway.
It works when you apply it to yourself but for others it`s null and void.
OK Brian I see how we are playing semantics again per usual.
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Does Matt even know he makes hanky cry without even trying ???
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Anybody else start with free weights and end with machines?
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Anybody else start with free weights and end with machines?
Everytime
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Anybody else start with free weights and end with machines?
only when a pump cover is removed mid-workout
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Never use free weights but only machines and at all costs avoid injuries.
The goal is to age healthily and practice
until the end of your life.
All pros train on machines, free weights are only
for shooting. Easier to move around in a well-lit area of the gym with barbell and dumbbell.
Never do a deadlift. The most destructive exercise.
Avoid squats and bench presses.
No one is a warrior, no one has the same morpho anato.
Tom Platz, for example, has the characteristics of a dwarf that allowed him to develop his legs and prevent injuries with squat.
Never copy anyone.
You must be a beast
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only when a pump cover is removed mid-workout
Need pics to vary if this is true (nh)
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Everytime
Same hernia. Same philosophy. We’re practically Eskimo brothers
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There's just a different look to a physique when it's built with mainly free weights/barbells/dumbbells..look at Ronnie, Branch, Johnnie Jackson, Bertil Fox, Dorian, etc..of course there's some machine work in the program, but meat and potatoes it was free weights.
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Anybody else start with free weights and end with machines?
Yes, machine drop sets at the end
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only when a pump cover is removed mid-workout
;D
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There's just a different look to a physique when it's built with mainly free weights/barbells/dumbbells..look at Ronnie, Branch, Johnnie Jackson, Bertil Fox, Dorian, etc..of course there's some machine work in the program, but meat and potatoes it was free weights.
Yup,heavy weights seem to build a more dense muscle aka "muscle density",and if you need to take time off,you won`t lose as much size in most cases.
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Anybody else start with free weights and end with machines?
What are we talking about here; dumbbell deadlifts and lat pull downs? Or are you suggesting using a trap bar in a land mine is a machine movement?
I think when you mix exercises it creates muscle confusion and your muscle does not know if it should heal and repair it self for growth or if the healing is for survival purposes. Whatever you choose to use stick with it and be consistent.
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You must be a beast of Iron!
^^
Machines have their place, but typically not multi-joint, dont help w/ stabilizers, and most spend the entire session on their butt.
I do like machines, but wont rely on them 100% until I have to when older...
I always start w/ the main barbell movements, and add in machines at the end...
They are however, great when injured, working your way back into it..
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Everytime
Brian you haven't posted a fucking workout for months
Last one was 3 sets 20 rep leg extensions and leg curls FFS
and you train at home, what machines have you got that you can finish your training on one "every time"
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I use mostly machines because of my low back issues
I can stabilise myself and concentrate on the muscles Im working without having to worry about my back
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What are we talking about here; dumbbell deadlifts and lat pull downs? Or are you suggesting using a trap bar in a land mine is a machine movement?
I think when you mix exercises it creates muscle confusion and your muscle does not know if it should heal and repair it self for growth or if the healing is for survival purposes. Whatever you choose to use stick with it and be consistent.
Next time, I might start with machines and end with free weights and create a land of confusion for my muscles
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I use mostly machines because of my low back issues
I can stabilise myself and concentrate on the muscles Im working without having to worry about my back
I believe back is one body part for which machines are clearly better in the long run.
Chins eventually tear you apart. Pull-downs allow variable weight.
Barbell rows put your lower back in a bad position. Seated rows allow you to remain upright.
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What are we talking about here; dumbbell deadlifts and lat pull downs? Or are you suggesting using a trap bar in a land mine is a machine movement?
I think when you mix exercises it creates muscle confusion and your muscle does not know if it should heal and repair it self for growth or if the healing is for survival purposes. Whatever you choose to use stick with it and be consistent.
(https://media.tenor.com/Ema5_eVgaUgAAAAC/confused-look-confused.gif)
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I only do weights about once every week or 2 just to make sure my core stays strong.
Only bench, row and zercher squat (with a few reps of grizzly zercher trap raises at the end of each set ;D). 3 sets each in the 5-8 rep range.
Everything else is machines and bands now. It's just quicker and I can contract the muscles way better.
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I think modern plate loaded machines are pretty good and are generally safer than using heavy free weights, especially when it comes to dumbbells.
It’s not an “either/or” type thing, use them both
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Based on the sample size I've seen on stuff I follow online, machines, smith machines, leg extensions etc seem to be getting popular again. All the machines that got criticized are popular agin.
Guys are doing the constant tension pump type shit training.
Seems to work for hypertrophy.
I will not be doing it.
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once you build up a significant amount of muscle - like most pros - how much are looking to improve/add on each year , realistically ?? 5-10lbs of muscle IF YOURE LUCKY AND CHEKCING ALL THE BOXES
these pros pay their mortgage based on HOW THEY LOOK nothing else - not how much they bench or how well they lift 400lbs -
machine arent just made in in some guys moms basement - there is science behind the movement setup - as far as PRO bodybuilding goes - the key in training is to ISOLATE not fckn compound moments -
and one MAJOR consideration is the fact you can work the PISS out your chest on a hammer strength chest press but you sure as shit not going to pop a muscle trying to impress idiots who really want to see you fail - do it for the judges and get paid - go back to your big house like Jay cutler and not give a fck how much you bench or bar squat
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once you build up a significant amount of muscle - like most pros - how much are looking to improve/add on each year , realistically ?? 5-10lbs of muscle IF YOURE LUCKY AND CHEKCING ALL THE BOXES
these pros pay their mortgage based on HOW THEY LOOK nothing else - not how much they bench or how well they lift 400lbs -
machine arent just made in in some guys moms basement - there is science behind the movement setup - as far as PRO bodybuilding goes - the key in training is to ISOLATE not fckn compound moments -
and one MAJOR consideration is the fact you can work the PISS out your chest on a hammer strength chest press but you sure as shit not going to pop a muscle trying to impress idiots who really want to see you fail - do it for the judges and get paid - go back to your big house like Jay cutler and not give a fck how much you bench or bar squat
Great points ^^
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once you build up a significant amount of muscle - like most pros - how much are looking to improve/add on each year , realistically ?? 5-10lbs of muscle IF YOURE LUCKY AND CHEKCING ALL THE BOXES
these pros pay their mortgage based on HOW THEY LOOK nothing else - not how much they bench or how well they lift 400lbs -
machine arent just made in in some guys moms basement - there is science behind the movement setup - as far as PRO bodybuilding goes - the key in training is to ISOLATE not fckn compound moments -
and one MAJOR consideration is the fact you can work the PISS out your chest on a hammer strength chest press but you sure as shit not going to pop a muscle trying to impress idiots who really want to see you fail - do it for the judges and get paid - go back to your big house like Jay cutler and not give a fck how much you bench or bar squat
yep, pretty much my mindset
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once you build up a significant amount of muscle - like most pros - how much are looking to improve/add on each year , realistically ?? 5-10lbs of muscle IF YOURE LUCKY AND CHEKCING ALL THE BOXES
these pros pay their mortgage based on HOW THEY LOOK nothing else - not how much they bench or how well they lift 400lbs -
machine arent just made in in some guys moms basement - there is science behind the movement setup - as far as PRO bodybuilding goes - the key in training is to ISOLATE not fckn compound moments -
and one MAJOR consideration is the fact you can work the PISS out your chest on a hammer strength chest press but you sure as shit not going to pop a muscle trying to impress idiots who really want to see you fail - do it for the judges and get paid - go back to your big house like Jay cutler and not give a fck how much you bench or bar squat
Dude..agree but some movements you can´t change with machines.
Nautilus is the best but some musle groups need free weight exercises.
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I believe back is one body part for which machines are clearly better in the long run.
Chins eventually tear you apart. Pull-downs allow variable weight.
Barbell rows put your lower back in a bad position. Seated rows allow you to remain upright.
tear you apart?
also why not just strengthen your lower back?
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Based on the sample size I've seen on stuff I follow online, machines, smith machines, leg extensions etc seem to be getting popular again. All the machines that got criticized are popular agin.
Guys are doing the constant tension pump type shit training.
Seems to work for hypertrophy.
I will not be doing it.
it's science catching up with bro science, they've "discovered" get the most out of hypertrophy if you train in a fully stretched position as opposed to contractions. So the trend is doing constant tension where the muscle is overly stretched
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it's science catching up with bro science, they've "discovered" get the most out of hypertrophy if you train in a fully stretched position as opposed to contractions. So the trend is doing constant tension where the muscle is overly stretched
Yeah - that makes sense.
I will admit I did at some flys with bands to chest work.
I do it just because I can really "feel" it, but not sure it does anything.
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Brian you haven't posted a fucking workout for months
Last one was 3 sets 20 rep leg extensions and leg curls FFS
and you train at home, what machines have you got that you can finish your training on one "every time"
I have a cable crossover machine and a plate loaded leg extension leg curl machine
When I said everytime I meant everytime doing both its always free weights first then machines but yes some workouts is just free weights or just machines. When training I work out at the commercial gym about 2 days of the week but at least 1 a week. I do not just train at home.
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tear you apart?
also why not just strengthen your lower back?
With Chins, you’re lifting your entire body weight without warm up. You can get away with this when you’re young but once you hit middle age the risk goes up.
Do you lift your body weight on the first set of lat pulldowns or do you warm up?
Same with bent rows. Even if your lower back is plenty strong you can pull something and IMO there’s no worse muscle to pull than lower back. The risk reward ratio for bent over rows is poor. I’d bet Dorian doesn’t even do them anymore.
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I have a cable crossover machine and a plate loaded leg extension leg curl machine
When I said everytime I meant everytime doing both its always free weights first then machines but yes some workouts is just free weights or just machines. When training I work out at the commercial gym about 2 days of the week but at least 1 a week. I do not just train at home.
wow
you go the gym once per week
that explains the massive progress and cartoon like physique. I go starbucks once a week but know nothing about coffee making
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Some people like strength, some like pumping their Moosulls...
All good...
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I use mostly free weights because it's what I like doing and it's what can fit in my basement. With a barbell, adjustable bench, cage, and set of adjustable dumbbells you can do basically anything and don't need much room.
Recently got this plate-loaded bench and attachment for leg extensions and curls, on most of these things the range of motion sucks in my experience but this one is nice, highly recommend it:
https://www.amazon.com/Body-Solid-GFID100-Incline-Decline-Bench/dp/B017HZKNAW/ref=sr_1_17?keywords=body+solid+bench+attachments&qid=1694102840&sprefix=body+solid+bench%2Caps%2C97&sr=8-17
The only problem is the pin for the plates is not normal size so they bang around a lot, but the range of motion is very good.
I think it's hard to get complete leg development without machines.
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wow
you go the gym once per week
that explains the massive progress and cartoon like physique. I go starbucks once a week but know nothing about coffee making
I have a gym at home as well dumbass I train 4-5 days a week when not recovering from surgery
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Some people like strength, some like pumping their Moosulls...
All good...
They are one in the same think of low rep power lifting strength as building and tuning an engine to get as much performance out of it as possible. Think of reps blood pump and hypertrophy and pumping the moosulls and getting a larger block with more potential performance capacity once fully built and tuned. You need both to reach your full potential.
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They are one in the same think of low rep power lifting strength as building and tuning an engine to get as much performance out of it as possible. Think of reps blood pump and hypertrophy and pumping the moosulls and getting a larger block with more potential performance capacity once fully built and tuned. You need both to reach your full potential.
if this is true why are oyu after a quarter of a century on gear relatively weak and with litle in the way of development
you talk a good game but never deliver. pussy
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They are one in the same think of low rep power lifting strength as building and tuning an engine to get as much performance out of it as possible. Think of reps blood pump and hypertrophy and pumping the moosulls and getting a larger block with more potential performance capacity once fully built and tuned. You need both to reach your full potential.
you think lasha's in the gym strict curling?
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They are one in the same think of low rep power lifting strength as building and tuning an engine to get as much performance out of it as possible. Think of reps blood pump and hypertrophy and pumping the moosulls and getting a larger block with more potential performance capacity once fully built and tuned. You need both to reach your full potential.
Did you really type something about reaching potential? ;D
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Dude..agree but some movements you can´t change with machines.
Nautilus is the best but some musle groups need free weight exercises.
I agree , but I was just speaking on PRO bodybuilding
I work with soldiers and you can be damn sure the one thing they need STARTING OUT is to be familiar with the bar - in all aspects - pulling pushing squatting pressing overhead - foundations are foundations - a solid structure isn't built on machines -
dont get me wrong I used a bar in my early years - no replacement -
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They are one in the same think of low rep power lifting strength as building and tuning an engine to get as much performance out of it as possible. Think of reps blood pump and hypertrophy and pumping the moosulls and getting a larger block with more potential performance capacity once fully built and tuned. You need both to reach your full potential.
I happen to like both...
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I agree , but I was just speaking on PRO bodybuilding
I work with soldiers and you can be damn sure the one thing they need STARTING OUT is to be familiar with the bar - in all aspects - pulling pushing squatting pressing overhead - foundations are foundations - a solid structure isn't built on machines -
dont get me wrong I used a bar in my early years - no replacement -
yeah the military uses weight training nowadays but at my time it wasn´t really encouraged, running & pulling yourself over a 6 foot wall was more important.
I only knew a few who really liked pumping iron & our gym only had 2 multi-gyms & no free weights.
squats & other leg exercises were leg press on the multi-gym but mainly we did circuit training, step ups on benches, free hand squats but lots of reps.
urban fighting is very exhausting & big muscles don´t help you get through a window whilst weighted down with equipment.. it´s a totally different kind of fitness.
Having said that nowadays they have developed programmes for the military & even use exercises like Deadlifts in their fitness tests.
exercises like farmers walk we always did carrying jerry cans or other weighted objects.
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Free weights are completely useless when it comes to BB. In many of the modern BB gyms where the top coaches are prepping many pros, there aren't even any barbells or dumbbells anymore, just a carefully picked selection of high-end machines.
Your muscle fibres can't tell the difference between a barbell and a machine lol
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Free weights are completely useless when it comes to BB. In many of the modern BB gyms where the top coaches are prepping many pros, there aren't even any barbells or dumbbells anymore, just a carefully picked selection of high-end machines.
Your muscle fibres can't tell the difference between a barbell and a machine lol
Hmmm.... :-\
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It's clear machines are in favor because it's easier. What's harder? Doing a barbell squat or a machine squat? Military press or a machine press? I can go on. Most guys will always gravitate toward the least path of resistance. That's why short range of motion is the new rule in the gym. Dumbbell presses for chest and shoulders have become comedic how short range they are. Same with leg presses.