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Lucy Letby, the former nurse jailed for murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others, has filed a formal appeal against her convictions.
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https://news.sky.com/story/child-killer-lucy-letby-files-appeal-against-convictions-12961940
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Gave the article a thumbs down earlier. She should be cut into pieces.
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Gave the article a thumbs down earlier. She should be cut into pieces.
Controversial I know but somethings just not right with this case, I have read quite a bit on it, as you know Im aware how evil people can be , I write about it here a lot.
Maybe its easier to blame one individual rather than the catastrophic failings of the NHS
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Controversial I know but somethings just not right with this case, I have read quite a bit on it, as you know Im aware how evil people can be , I write about it here a lot.
Maybe its easier to blame one individual rather than the catastrophic failings of the NHS
From the news I've read she seems to be the only one involved. She even noted her killings in a diary. She should be dealt with in the harshest of ways.
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From the news I've read she seems to be the only one involved. She even noted her killings in a diary. She should be dealt with in the harshest of ways.
all the evidence was circumstantial , have you seen the writings?
Here look at this one
(https://e3.365dm.com/23/05/1600x900/skynews-letby-note_6141056.jpg?20230502132716)
I have a daily journal from when I was at my worst with depression, almost identical in style to that one.
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Controversial I know but somethings just not right with this case, I have read quite a bit on it, as you know Im aware how evil people can be , I write about it here a lot.
Maybe its easier to blame one individual rather than the catastrophic failings of the NHS
I've not read much about the case - what are the discrepancies that
don't add up - Yes of course as always they'll look for 1 scapegoat to put all the blame on - Does any one believe Savile was unaided or doing evil stuff
on his own.
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I've not read much about the case - what are the discrepancies that
don't add up - Yes of course as always they'll look for 1 scapegoat to put all the blame on - Does any one believe Savile was unaided or doing evil stuff
on his own.
Its difficult to get any hard evidence in these cases because all the babies were very ill and in some cases not expected to live so they dont have autopsies.
They had no direct evidence that she did anything, I wouldnt like to spend the rest of my life in jail based on coincidences.
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Its difficult to get any hard evidence in these cases because all the babies were very ill and in some cases not expected to live so they dont have autopsies.
They had no direct evidence that she did anything, I wouldnt like to spend the rest of my life in jail based on coincidences.
yet a good few have spent far to many years banged up for nothing
other than police framing them or with holding evidence
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Should get the death penalty via torture. Pure evil.
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https://dutchreview.com/culture/lucia-de-berk-dutch-nurse-wrongfully-imprisoned-6-years/#:~:text=CultureHistorySociety-,Lucia%20de%20Berk%3A%20the%20Dutch%20nurse%20who,wrongfully%20imprisoned%20for%20six%20years&text=Lucia%20de%20Berk%2C%20better%20known,was%20all%20a%20big%20mistake.
As it turned out, the police investigation was marked by tunnel vision and multiple misunderstandings of scientific evidence:
The statistical evidence presented in court was miscalculated due to biased reporting.
Though there was no direct evidence against Lucia, the chances of these incidents occurring so frequently were said to be medically and statistically very unlikely.
How unlikely, you ask? Experts claimed there was just a 1 in 342 million chance.
The true likelihood of a nurse experiencing what Lucia had gone through in the workplace was actually only 1 in 25.
De Berk’s diary entrance, which had been deemed a “confession”, turned out to be fictional — they were notes intended to use in writing a thriller, De Berk’s daughter explained.
Although the reports found digoxin in one of the victims, they didn’t rule out the chance that it could be linked to a substance the body produces naturally.
Further investigations finally concluded that all the unfortunate incidents Lucia de Berk had been involved in had occurred naturally.
As a result, during a formal ruling on April 14, 2010, Lucia de Berk was finally acquitted of her life sentence — six and a half years after her initial conviction.
Free at last
Since her release, Lucia de Berk has given many interviews about what happened to her. “I want to warn people, especially nurses: what happened to me can happen to you too,” she says.
De Berk is no longer a nurse. While she misses the job, she says she can’t do it anymore, mentally or physically. Instead, she gives talks and guest lectures across the country.
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Should get the death penalty via torture. Pure evil.
Do you know anything about the case?
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Its difficult to get any hard evidence in these cases because all the babies were very ill and in some cases not expected to live so they dont have autopsies.
They had no direct evidence that she did anything, I wouldnt like to spend the rest of my life in jail based on coincidences.
It’s literally the old phrase in reality, “Dead babies tell no tales.”
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It’s literally the old phrase in reality, “Dead babies tell no tales.”
live ones only spout gibberish
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Do you know anything about the case?
If what is claimed is true. She injected air into the babies, gave some insulin, force fed some, or just plain blunt force trauma apparently. And she sent sympathy cards to the families. In some of the trashed documents discovered, they found that she wrote herself that she was evil. One of the babies that survived is now blind and a quadriplegic!
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all the evidence was circumstantial , have you seen the writings?
Here look at this one
(https://e3.365dm.com/23/05/1600x900/skynews-letby-note_6141056.jpg?20230502132716)
I have a daily journal from when I was at my worst with depression, almost identical in style to that one.
That's why they have the phrase "balance of probabilities"
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So, no motive beside being mentally ill then?
Was she a Flat Earther?
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Only one man can save her:
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If what is claimed is true. She injected air into the babies, gave some insulin, force fed some, or just plain blunt force trauma apparently. And she sent sympathy cards to the families. In some of the trashed documents discovered, they found that she wrote herself that she was evil. One of the babies that survived is now blind and a quadriplegic!
and that is what the appeal is for..
every single person on the planet is capable of being evil
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That's why they have the phrase "balance of probabilities"
thats in civil court
Criminal court is "beyond a reasonable doubt"
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thats in civil court
Criminal court is "beyond a reasonable doubt"
The other seemingly odd case is Nicola Bulley drowning in shallow water
as she was a good swimmer & her body not found for a month when the
river had been searched.
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I try and look at the positive side of things. If you were to knock this skank up you would only have to pay child support for the first month or so. ;)
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I try and look at the positive side of things. If you were to knock this skank up you would only have to pay child support for the first month or so. ;)
every cloud....
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TLDR but were these abortions or live births, I'm uncertain on how to react. I don't want to be morally inconsistent and suggest there's much of a difference.
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Dead behind the eyes..
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TLDR but were these abortions or live births, I'm uncertain on how to react. I don't want to be morally inconsistent and suggest there's much of a difference.
She was a nurse working with mostly premature babies, shes been found guily of murder and attempted murder of several of them even there was no conclusive hard evidence, just circumstantial.
It has similarities to the case further down the page where a nurse was convicted then found to be totally innocent
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Dead behind the eyes..
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live ones only spout gibberish
Only one man can save her:
(https://aiotl.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Harley-D.-Breite.jpg)
Excellent!
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Summary of the "evidence"
There was no direct evidence presented in Lucy Letby’s trial for these murders or attempted murders, for which she has been found guilty and sentenced to a whole life sentence. In a case relying on indirect or circumstantial evidence, then the evidence should be overwhelming. It’s been reported as overwhelming in the media. So what is it?
• For each of these little babies who died, post-mortems were carried out afterwards. These post-mortems were set aside during the trial, and replaced with the views of two experts, with fresh conclusions being reached in the cause of death. Such as, Dr Evans, an expert witness and retired Consultant Paediatrician who said that injected air causing air embolisms was the cause of death. Dr Evans said the research on air embolisms was extremely limited but cited one study from 1989 showing that in the sample of 53 babies, that 11% had skin changes and in one, there was pink showing. This study was extrapolated to the deaths as skin mottling was present in some of the victims. The jury were asked by Mr Justice James Goss when summing up to consider that Dr Evan’s conclusions as reliable.
• Messages found in Letby’s diary included ‘I am evil’ l and ‘I did this’.The conclusion that she was ‘evil’ and ‘she did this’ was taken as both literal and true. Interpretations such as Letby was guilt-tripping or God-complex grandiosing or self-pitying or delusional were put aside. She also sent cards and looked up families on Facebook and she also took hospital notes home. This evidence was given high status in terms of ‘a smoking gun’ in a murder trial providing what seems to be her inner confessions and real ‘self’. She was charged with murder with these notes showing her state of mind.
• Hospital doctors say that managers did nothing following their concerns.But the managers did do something. They ordered three independent reviews when concerns were raised and the conclusions were that it wasn’t Letby or a single person to blame. When Letby asked for apologies and talked of complaints to the General Medical Council, the consultants decided that enough was enough and the police were involved. Paediatrician and TV doctor, Dr Ravi Jayaram said that he has nightmares as he saw Letby standing beside a monitor doing nothing to help a baby in breathing difficulties and not acting in the way one would expect. He made no record or shared any concerns at the time.
• Letby was on the ward when the deaths happened suggesting the ‘pattern’ often referred to in the media. Patterns, coincidences and statistical rarities happen and statistically clustering can happen, which can then sometimes understood but can also occur without any cause being established. It’s possible that hospitals could find a number of such patterns if looking at staff presence at deaths. Statistical analyses were not carried out for comparison.
When the police were involved by hospital staff, the police report they took an approach which was ‘If not her (Letby) then who or what?’. Following three years of gathering the above evidence, they charged Letby. The trial took place over 10 months, grouping all the charges involving 145 days of witness testimony, 246 witnesses and 5,000 pieces of evidence and it was in this setting that Letby failed to come up with a defence.
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She was a nurse working with mostly premature babies, shes been found guily of murder and attempted murder of several of them even there was no conclusive hard evidence, just circumstantial.
It has similarities to the case further down the page where a nurse was convicted then found to be totally innocent
You can tell how gullible people are if they don't think this isn't an all the time thing. My aunt is a malignant narcissist, my mother also a nurse has caught her doing sketchy shit in front of her, can only imagine what happens when no one is looking.
It's a well known thing that so many nurses are hooked on opiates. It's just part of the business where nurses will be swiping patients pills, giving them heavy sleeping pills instead of pain pills etc.
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Dead behind the eyes..
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You can tell how gullible people are if they don't think this isn't an all the time thing. My aunt is a malignant narcissist, my mother also a nurse has caught her doing sketchy shit in front of her, can only imagine what happens when no one is looking.
It's a well known thing that so many nurses are hooked on opiates. It's just part of the business where nurses will be swiping patients pills, giving them heavy sleeping pills instead of pain pills etc.
If you look at the evidence above she never stood a chance at this trial.
It was only after she demanded an apology from her managers that they contacted the police
Hospital doctors say that managers did nothing following their concerns.But the managers did do something. They ordered three independent reviews when concerns were raised and the conclusions were that it wasn’t Letby or a single person to blame. When Letby asked for apologies and talked of complaints to the General Medical Council, the consultants decided that enough was enough and the police were involved.
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Lol at name of jpg
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thats in civil court
Criminal court is "beyond a reasonable doubt"
My bad
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He's doing his best "Marlon Brando" there.
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https://news.sky.com/story/child-killer-lucy-letby-files-appeal-against-convictions-12961940
She has nothing to lose
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She has nothing to lose
In your experience as a prison guard, how would she be treated in prison?
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In your experience as a prison guard, how would she be treated in prison?
Pretty much isolation initially, other women tend not to like women who are convicted of harming children
Then again Myra Hindley (Moors Murders) had lesbian relationships whilst in prison
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I think she's innocent. Plus, I think she's cute. :D
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I think she's innocent. Plus, I think she's cute. :D
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I think she's innocent. Plus, I think she's cute. :D
She is what they said at the trial. Completely average.
I think she is plain looking. Doesn't stand out. Wouldn't remember her face after a night oput.
No idea why she did it and no solid motive found during the trial either . The closest they got is that she wanted to get the attention of a doctor :(
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She is what they said at the trial. Completely average.
I think she is plain looking. Doesn't stand out. Wouldn't remember her face after a night oput.
No idea why she did it and no solid motive found during the trial either . The closest they got is that she wanted to get the attention of a doctor :(
You think she should have been convicted after seeing how flimsy the case was?
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You think she should have been convicted after seeing how flimsy the case was?
Haven't really looked into it in any detail... what is the source of your "Summary of evidence" post above?
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Haven't really looked into it in any detail... what is the source of your "Summary of evidence" post above?
https://thinkscotland.org/2023/08/was-the-evidence-against-lucy-letby-really-overwhelming/
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https://dutchreview.com/culture/lucia-de-berk-dutch-nurse-wrongfully-imprisoned-6-years/#:~:text=CultureHistorySociety-,Lucia%20de%20Berk%3A%20the%20Dutch%20nurse%20who,wrongfully%20imprisoned%20for%20six%20years&text=Lucia%20de%20Berk%2C%20better%20known,was%20all%20a%20big%20mistake.
I heard about that case because of looking up this one. This Letby case... There's definitely some that doubt the evidence. Such as they say the death rate dropped when she left but it turns out that's because they downgraded the rating for severity for the ward so they moved more seriously ill babies to another hospital. Of course cases will drop if they see only healthier babies.
I don't know enough about this case but she definitely is an oddball taking home 250 pieces of paperwork that's not even supposed to be off hospital grounds and is illegal for a nurse to do due to confidentiality etc. Also looking up parents of the babies of multiple families. Very oddball.
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I heard about that case because of looking up this one. This Letby case... There's definitely some that doubt the evidence. Such as they say the death rate dropped when she left but it turns out that's because they downgraded the rating for severity for the ward so they moved more seriously ill babies to another hospital. Of course cases will drop if they see only healthier babies.
I don't know enough about this case but she definitely is an oddball taking home 250 pieces of paperwork that's not even supposed to be off hospital grounds and is illegal for a nurse to do due to confidentiality etc. Also looking up parents of the babies of multiple families. Very oddball.
Fucks sake people on here do that all the time, as soon as someone posts some shit there are people trawling the web looking for details about them.
Maybe it is oddball behaviour , if that true there are a lot of oddballs around.
People collect Garden Gnomes, maybe she liked collecting old documents
There wasnt anything at that trial would have convinced me to vote guilty
It was judged on emotion not facts
Suppose it had been mice in a lab that died and not babies on a ward?
Should she have gone to jail for the rest of her life?
They judged her on the victims, not the act.
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Dead behind the eyes..
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I would say also in front.
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How can someone hurt babies? It just doesn't compute.
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How can someone hurt babies? It just doesn't compute.
Ask the American soldiers at My Lai
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre