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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: robocop on April 29, 2006, 03:40:37 PM
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people call this bodybuilding ???
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yeah, it's called offseason dumbass ::)
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that is called water retention and not fat! ::)
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he looks like a fat guy who never worked out
?? ::)
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dorian f'uckin kills him offseason.....
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dorian f'uckin kills him offseason.....
Yeah..OFFSEASON.
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"he looks like a fat guy who never worked out"
Bravo.....he looks like a 300 plus pound pile of muscle, under what most people would still call "lean" amounts of bodyfat.
Arm veins, bulging biceps, and huge pecs. Yup. Never worked out. If that's the case, you should be entering the 06 Olympia, because you'll clean up. Unless you're talking out your ass, of course. This board should be changed to "Gossip and Intelligence", with wisdom like this everywhere. Damn.
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Whoa! ;D
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his arms look bigger than his head
great observation candidate ;D
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people call this bodybuilding ???
my hero :D
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monster calves !
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And Arnold never looked like anything but a twig compared to Ronnie either.
and he still looked better!
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You must be on crack because Ronnie looks like he is huge in that picture, without any water loss. You also take one picture, which you don't know if even if Ronnie was at his peak in the picture, and assume he is fat.
It is easy to take an unflattering picture of anyone and post it.
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And Arnold never looked like anything but a twig compared to Ronnie either.
hahaha....that is the kind of comment that makes you unpopular at ironage isn't it... ;)..
p.s. I agree with you though....but Arnold looks better...even though he was not as freaky...But it is funny I posted this pic of Ronnie in a tribute thread they had on Ironage that was full of old pics from the original Golds Gym...pics from the "Pumping Iron" era....and I posted "Those guys look ok,but nobody can touch the Big Nasty!!"...I figured that would set em off real quick....but it didn't.
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Dam RTonnie waist looks huge in that pic!
i know he's off season but i've seen him offseason a few times and it never looked that big
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You must be on crack because Ronnie looks like he is huge in that picture, without any water loss. You also take one picture, which you don't know if even if Ronnie was at his peak in the picture, and assume he is fat.
It is easy to take an unflattering picture of anyone and post it.
How long have you been in this "sport" ::)?? It's obvious Ronnie is not at his peak, and DEFINATLY without water retention. He's just the opposite, the looks like he's weezing through every pose and looks like he's going to drop dead anytime now!! being that big IS NOT healthy!!
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people call this bodybuilding ???
Didn't you know that he is the most perfectly developed human on the planet , the best of all champions , he is the epitome of human physical perfection , the zenith of musculairty , harmony and symmetry with aesthetics of a Greek God
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Didn't you know that he is the most perfectly developed human on the planet , the best of all champions , he is the epitome of human physical perfection , the zenith of musculairty , harmony and symmetry with aesthetics of a Greek God
LOL
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that is called water retention and not fat! ::)
And how many bodies of water is he retaining exactly? ???
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And how many bodies of water is he retaining exactly? ???
LOL....maybe he is about to start his period... some chics hold water and bloat around that time. :P
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that is called water retention and not fat! ::)
alexxx, if it was WATER RETENTION, he wouldn't have to diet! ::) But he is huge!
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Ronnie says he never gets above 4 percent bodyfat in the offseason, those are words directly from his mouth, do you believe that looking at that photo?
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Never seen Arnold look like that in the off season
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Ronnie says he never gets above 4 percent bodyfat in the offseason, those are words directly from his mouth, do you believe that looking at that photo?
I think it was 6%? but even so he is way fatter than that!
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Never seen Arnold look like that in the off season
Arnold used to blow up pretty big before he went to cali and got all famous. but then again back then with lack of GH bodybuilders always had trim waists and low water retention whick made a big difference
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Fat hangs off your body and is not firm! That is just water!
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Fat hangs off your body and is not firm! That is just water!
You have much to learn my Christian brother ;D!
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I am doing my first show in 2 months. I am sure I am going to learn many a different things on this forum. ;D
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Arnold used to blow up pretty big before he went to cali and got all famous. but then again back then with lack of GH bodybuilders always had trim waists and low water retention whick made a big difference
No he didn't !! Arnold got real thin in the offseason .
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No he didn't !! Arnold got real thin in the offseason .
not so! i cant find a good pic unfortunatly but if u read his book (education of a bodybuilder) he talks about this in some length
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people call this bodybuilding ???
hes bigger than jay and only been working out since march.
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Didn't you know that he is the most perfectly developed human on the planet , the best of all champions , he is the epitome of human physical perfection , the zenith of musculairty , harmony and symmetry with aesthetics of a Greek God
no he isn't: this guy is (and this is NOT the offseason!)
(http://www.emusclemag.com/webimages/sandows/yates/1_lrg.jpg)
:)
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people call this bodybuilding ???
I though the ironage board was the only board that would post off season pics, and bash them as if they were contest pics.
guess I was wrong... :(
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no he isn't: this guy is (and this is NOT the offseason!)
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The best shape of his life lmfao
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How long have you been in this "sport" ::)?? It's obvious Ronnie is not at his peak, and DEFINATLY without water retention. He's just the opposite, the looks like he's weezing through every pose and looks like he's going to drop dead anytime now!! being that big IS NOT healthy!!
I agree...doesn't matter so much whether you are 300 lbs of fat or 300 lbs of muscle(ok,so maybe it is worse if it is fat)..but 300 lbs is 300 lbs...and I would imagine that is a huge strain on your heart to carry all that weight around everywhere ya go....it has to be...that why they can barely walk without get'n winded...but I am no Dr.
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I'm sorry this is the best shape of his life lol
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GuTbuilding :)
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I agree...doesn't matter so much whether you are 300 lbs of fat or 300 lbs of muscle(ok,so maybe it is worse if it is fat)..but 300 lbs is 300 lbs...and I would imagine that is a huge strain on your heart to carry all that weight around everywhere ya go....it has to be...that why they can barely walk without get'n winded...but I am no Dr.
:-X
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and here is yates, at his 1993 best:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
your lover had a gut at his best too! :-*
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Ronnie sucking air is irrelevant because recently Dexter had to do the same thing.
so, sucking air is not only for giant monster gut builders.
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and here is yates, at his 1993 best:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
your lover had a gut at his best too! :-*
What gut? you mean his thick obliques? big difference between a thick set of obliques and looking like you're pregnant for octuplits ;) and when he holds it in tight its sharp as hell , lol nice try ;)
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Ronnie sucking air is irrelevant because recently Dexter had to do the same thing.
so, sucking air is not only for giant monster gut builders.
Oh Dex has a nice monester gut ( pound for pound ) this nonsense needs to end !!
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Bring back the vacuum
all of this gutbuilders are carrying massive amounts of intra-abdominal fat. That is not bodybuilding.
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Bring back the vacuum
all of this gutbuilders are carrying massive amounts of intra-abdominal fat. That is not bodybuilding.
agreed
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Gotta love those offseason pics. :D
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If I'm the promoter, and PAID to have Ronnie show up in that kind of shape EVEN for a guest posing...I'd be royally PISSED.
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Ronnie sucking air is irrelevant because recently Dexter had to do the same thing.
so, sucking air is not only for giant monster gut builders.
well I never said ANYTHING about him have'n a gut..(but he does look like he swallowed a watermelon whole) what I was saying was 300 lbs...even with no gut at all...all muscle even,does not seem like it could be healthy in my opinion(but I am no doc obviously)..I just think it would be a strain on the heart to have to carry around 300 lbs no matter what the 300lbs was made up of...that is all I was saying.
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ronni is the best ever.....you guys just have to get over your obsession with the small men of the past. zane, arnold, haney..all of them < coleman.
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Ronnie's not at all fat there, look at the detail in his hamstrings.
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The best shape of his life lmfao
my comments on this picture got me banned at mayhem
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It just show's what these guy's can do in a few month's to win a show,a shame the general non lifting public who think they are ripped all year long.then say to regular in shape type like most on this board like myself ,oh you can never look like that .if they saw them in offseason shape they would be suprised.
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my comments on this picture got me banned at mayhem
HAHA WHAT DID YOU SAY AND WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY BAN YOU FOR STATING YOUR OPINION ON A PICTURE?
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my comments on this picture got me banned at mayhem
What did you say? ;D
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What did you say? ;D
ask that mofo Massive Gay
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If I'm the promoter, and PAID to have Ronnie show up in that kind of shape EVEN for a guest posing...I'd be royally PISSED.
Does having a guest poser have any effect on ticket sales?
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It just show's what these guy's can do in a few month's to win a show,a shame the general non lifting public who think they are ripped all year long.then say to regular in shape type like most on this board like myself ,oh you can never look like that .if they saw them in offseason shape they would be suprised.
back in the day, pro bodybuilders and the top amateurs entered contest throughout the year. Off-season was December, January and February.
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back in the day, pro bodybuilders and the top amateurs entered contest throughout the year. Off-season was December, January and February.
Tim do you think the "GH guts" are the result of enlarged organs or just intra-abdominal fat storage resulting from massive caloric consumption (and possibly insulin abuse)?
I think the problem is that these guys are able to diet off some of the subcutaneous fat but they never really shed the intra-abdominal fat from the offseason, and every year they just build it a little more until....they end up looking preggers.
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the reason you see guts is bcause todays pros do leg work. heavy leg work. and lots of it.
this exttra pressure on the abdomin extends out the wall, with the old timers, they kept small stomachs, and twig legs.
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the reason you see guts is bcause todays pros do leg work. heavy leg work. and lots of it.
this exttra pressure on the abdomin extends out the wall, with the old timers, they kept small stomachs, and twig legs.
I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU to go post that on ironage.... ;)
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I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU to go post that on ironage.... ;)
haha i did, thats why i got banned.....that, and telling them that arnolds chest wasnt big, it was the way he posed and how small his tri's and shoulders were in comparison. ;D
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haha i did, thats why i got banned.....that, and telling them that arnolds chest wasnt big, it was the way he posed and how small his tri's and shoulders were in comparison. ;D
haha...I have already posted this in another thread but anyhow,I went there and they had a tribute thread full of old classic pumping iron era pics ...I posted "Those guys look ok,but nobody can touch the BIG NASTY!!"..and they didn't do anything...I figured they would get pissed...but they didn't ban me...Here is the pic I posted..lol
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haha yep...they really need to get over tose scrawny guys from the past. they wuld get demolished on todays stage..hell, i fdont even think arnold could get his pro card.
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Iron Agers looove to post that pic of Ron taking air, just love what they think that means. Their beloved Iron Age BBs would've done same if the equipment had been available then. It's not essential, just a convenience after posing.
Arnold was bulky between contests earlier in his career, then later got very light between shows because he obviously couldn't stay big without the juice. It had a huge effect on him and he didn't anywhere near the same guy without it.
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To top off the whole thing, those peach colored trunks sort of make him look naked. >:(
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Does having a guest poser have any effect on ticket sales?
ABSOLUTELY! That is a main reason why so many people not associated with any of the competitors come to a show. Especially here cause you don't get to see guys from magazines that much here. That's why these pros that come in here fat and sloppy should not get paid for guest posing if they show up like that. They embarrass themselves and other pros. We have plenty of fat guys here including me that can goup on stage and wiggle around for 2 minutes. And the pic of Coleman taking in oxygen is funny as hell. Posing does take energy and they are depleted and everything else but to have to have oxygen after a 3 minute routine or whatever is laughable, especially by other athletres in other sports. Just shows how healthy it is tobe a bodybuilder. Sure the cover looks great but the inside sucks.
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ABSOLUTELY! That is a main reason why so many people not associated with any of the competitors come to a show. Especially here cause you don't get to see guys from magazines that much here.
guess NYC and CA are different.
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I have only been to 1 show with a poser, but I can tell you that the only thing the crowd talked about all night was Vic Martinez taking the stage. It was a smaller NPC event though, so there were no big names there
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the reason you see guts is bcause todays pros do leg work. heavy leg work. and lots of it.
this exttra pressure on the abdomin extends out the wall, with the old timers, they kept small stomachs, and twig legs.
Tom Platz, Paul Demayo, and a few hundred others, say you don't know what you're talking about
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Tom Platz, Paul Demayo, and a few hundred others, say you don't know what you're talking about
LOL, isn't it cute when 16 year old kids (candidate) come up with wacky theories they've pulled out of their ass?
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Tom Platz, Paul Demayo, and a few hundred others, say you don't know what you're talking about
well, i only offered it as a possible theory....and i have done no investigating. but, there cases were great genetics, and even then, their legs were not as big as todays pros. a guy with arnolds legs just couldnt compete today...so they all hit m very heavy and high reps...which undoubtedly extends the stomach. d i think its the only reaosn? no..but it sure is one of them.
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Tim do you think the "GH guts" are the result of enlarged organs or just intra-abdominal fat storage resulting from massive caloric consumption (and possibly insulin abuse)?
The combination of bodybuilder doses of GH and insulin is certainly believed to cause your internal organs to grow. Don't know about IAF. But IAF is a problem for people who have been taking HAART (anti-hiv meds) for years and years. that's believed to be due to insulin sensitivity. so they could be related.
now bodybuilders have done some strange things over the years, with and without the help of a doctor. in the 1970s and 1980s there were always rumors of some top bodybuilder having calf implants, etc. Do you think a pro with severe GH gut could convince a doctor to remove a few feet of intestine?
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which undoubtedly extends the stomach.
No, it does not.
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No, it does not.
i do respect your age and experience....but you cannot say that heavy squats with even the slightest of incorrect breathing dont extend the abdominal wall.
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The only issue I have is twofold:
1. Why in the world do they have to get so smooth and bloated looking on the off season?
2. If they want to look bloated and "BIG" why do they have to be paid to guest pose when in such lousy shape? Imagine paying a group to perform and they play/sing off key some of the time>
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Tom Platz, Paul Demayo, and a few hundred others, say you don't know what you're talking about
I'll agree with that
I would start looking at Gh & Slin.....
this is not too hard to see
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i do respect your age and experience....but you cannot say that heavy squats with even the slightest of incorrect breathing dont extend the abdominal wall.
your abdominal wall extends every time you breath. your stomach muscles stretch and contract all the time. you can push out your stomach, you can suck in your gut. women get pregnant, then can get back into shape.
the problem that pros have is that they have too much volume in their abdomen to suck in. because of GH and insulin abuse, their organs have become enlarged, but their rib cage has not. bigger orgrans, but no place to put them, so they push out the stomach.
you will not find a pic of a bodybuilder with a GH gut prior to the early 1990s. now most pros have it to some extent.
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i do respect your age and experience....but you cannot say that heavy squats with even the slightest of incorrect breathing dont extend the abdominal wall.
Your wrong...it will expand your ribcage and lung capacity.....but not your abdominal wall!!
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I know im new but, i have know idea how ppl can start threads like this hahaha Dogging on the best ...the pros, never mind one of the best ever, big ron himself...they must just laugh at you, the Man won the Mr. O 8 times!!! who cares if he looks like a fucking 400lb bulgy watery, ugly slob...when he goes to the O and competes in the best shape a 300lb beast possible can...all of us drop jaw and watch in awe...so i dont get the point of these negative threads...lol but i guess its for the attention...like hopefully ron will sign on and leave you a reply or something...just to connect to greatness in a negitive way gets some ppl off i guess. ::)
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the Man won the Mr. O 8 times!!! who cares if he looks like a fucking 400lb bulgy watery, ugly slob..
the point was he was being paid to be a guest poser
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What gut? you mean his thick obliques? big difference between a thick set of obliques and looking like you're pregnant for octuplits ;) and when he holds it in tight its sharp as hell , lol nice try ;)
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When your abdomen swells because you lift too heavy, it has a medical moniker.....its a hernia dude. No, the abdominal fascia beneath does not stretch. Also, GH if anything would cut you up more so I doubt you would have razor sharp abs and serratus on the outside, but look like John Goodman on the inside. ::) I agree with Tim, it is well documented that the internal organs grow with GH. Also, since your muscles get thicker, it would not seem unreasonable that the abdominal muscles themselves get thicker. ND posts tons of pics of Ronnie's GH gut but there are just as many out there of his boy Dorian with a similar affliction. What is most funny about ND and Hulkster is that they are fiercely protective of their respective favorite. However, to an outsider or objective person, there are probably more similarities between Ronnie and Dorian than significant differences. Both are (were) huge with GH guts. Ronnie is thicker and larger, but Dorian was in better conditioning (at least in 1992-1993). Overall, I feel Ronnie is far superior, but those who favor Dorian's physique have a point. His back and calves were exceptional. However, the best bodybuilder I ever saw except for his height was Momo. The man was a Sherman tank. Unreal....too bad Lasix has such bad side effects. At least I can't find a documented pic of Momo GH gut (or Haney for that matter).
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the point was he was being paid to be a guest poser
I think that they ppl who booked him arn't stupid enough to think that hes going to break out of his ofseason routine to do a guest show...lol...you knwo what i mean whats more important to him also ..and im sure they realized it and im sure most of the ppl didnt care seeing a man of that size and gurth!
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the reason you see guts is bcause todays pros do leg work. heavy leg work. and lots of it.
this exttra pressure on the abdomin extends out the wall, with the old timers, they kept small stomachs, and twig legs.
Absurd. It's a little early to start throwing out silly theories that are wrong most of the time. Spend more time reading (STFU) until you can contribute informed opinions. Your entire thought process is out of wack.
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come on both yates and coleman just look big in the offseason....even if you look fat in the offseason,it does not matter.....only the contest day counts.and both of these behemoths on contest day have resulted in a total of 14 sandows count.so no offence even if u r mr fat in the offseason.both of them have reached a offseason weight of o about 320lbs for dorian yates and ronnie colemans as high as 330lbs...so when u see a 274lbs of solid ripped muscles like yates or 287lbs of ripped muscle like ronnie coleman,so there is no harm in lookinh like fat slob when u look like a colouss on stage
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I don't see what's so bad about big obliques. They make you look powerful and Herculean.
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those ARE FAT ROLLS hanging over his posing trunks!
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Absurd. This kind of logic suggests in no uncertain terms that your entire thought process is out of wack.
consider the source.
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come on both yates and coleman just look big in the offseason....even if you look fat in the offseason,it does not matter.....only the contest day counts.and both of these behemoths on contest day have resulted in a total of 14 sandows count.so no offence even if u r mr fat in the offseason.both of them have reached a offseason weight of o about 320lbs for dorian yates and ronnie colemans as high as 330lbs...so when u see a 274lbs of solid ripped muscles like yates or 287lbs of ripped muscle like ronnie coleman,so there is no harm in lookinh like fat slob when u look like a colouss on stage
yes, that may be but, should anyone pay to see a pro so out of shape when hey guest pose?
Howard
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why would anyone pay to watch anyone pose(unless they are a hot chic).
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why would anyone pay to watch anyone pose(unless they are a hot chic).
THAT is the best reply I EVER read, seriously, it puts things in perspective.
It sure jolted me back to what makes life worth it.
Being healthy, good sex, good food, and some $$ in your pocket, etc
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THAT is the best reply I EVER read, seriously, it puts things in perspective.
It sure jolted me back to what makes life worth it.
Being healthy, good sex, good food, and some $$ in your pocket, etc
Yeah ,think about it...everyone jokes about pros doing "special" posing sesions with fags...well not a whole lot different in my opinion.(except the anal sex part)
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your abdominal wall extends every time you breath. your stomach muscles stretch and contract all the time. you can push out your stomach, you can suck in your gut. women get pregnant, then can get back into shape.
the problem that pros have is that they have too much volume in their abdomen to suck in. because of GH and insulin abuse, their organs have become enlarged, but their rib cage has not. bigger orgrans, but no place to put them, so they push out the stomach.
you will not find a pic of a bodybuilder with a GH gut prior to the early 1990s. now most pros have it to some extent.
correct, it's pushed forward by enlarged organs
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why would anyone pay to watch anyone pose(unless they are a hot chic).
THAT is the best reply I EVER read, seriously, it puts things in perspective.
It sure jolted me back to what makes life worth it.
Being healthy, good sex, good food, and some $$ in your pocket, etc
Cute but makes no sense. You're basically saying that anyone in the audience at any conest must be gay.
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He's not even fat there. Look at the hamstrings ::)
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i think you need to look at his 05 olympia video
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i think we've all seen too much of this guy..and that's a fact. who in their right mind would want their kid or loved one looking like that?
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When your abdomen swells because you lift too heavy, it has a medical moniker.....its a hernia dude. No, the abdominal fascia beneath does not stretch. Also, GH if anything would cut you up more so I doubt you would have razor sharp abs and serratus on the outside, but look like John Goodman on the inside. ::) I agree with Tim, it is well documented that the internal organs grow with GH. Also, since your muscles get thicker, it would not seem unreasonable that the abdominal muscles themselves get thicker. ND posts tons of pics of Ronnie's GH gut but there are just as many out there of his boy Dorian with a similar affliction. What is most funny about ND and Hulkster is that they are fiercely protective of their respective favorite. However, to an outsider or objective person, there are probably more similarities between Ronnie and Dorian than significant differences. Both are (were) huge with GH guts. Ronnie is thicker and larger, but Dorian was in better conditioning (at least in 1992-1993). Overall, I feel Ronnie is far superior, but those who favor Dorian's physique have a point. His back and calves were exceptional. However, the best bodybuilder I ever saw except for his height was Momo. The man was a Sherman tank. Unreal....too bad Lasix has such bad side effects. At least I can't find a documented pic of Momo GH gut (or Haney for that matter).
Again you couldn't be any more wrong , Dorian is NOT favorite , just because I go on about him doesn't mean he is my favorite , when I do go on about him its always in relation to Coleman , this whole debate started over who at their respective bests would win in a contest , and here we are
I post tons of pics of Ron's gut because there are tons of them , in competition , and if you did some research , I've posted pics of Nasser , Fux , Ferigno , Yates , Kovacs , Dex , Sheriden , etc , and you really need to do some research , I can look at Yates objectively because he isn't my favorite , and I've said pleanty of times ( research this ) that Yates & Coleman are similar in regaurds to looking great at the begining of their careers and towards the end they got progressively worse !!
Yates did start the gut trend in 1993 , before that his waist was small , the pic of Dorian that is from the 1993 Olympia where he is totaly relaxed is ' supposed ' to show his huge gut , from 1993 on Dorian's waist started to thick , his obliques started to get wider and he did have some distension , and in 1997 his gut was pretty bad and in my opinion should have lost just based on that !
However Ron took the whole GH gut thing and ran with it , Ron had distension problems at low bodyweights , there are pics of him from the 2001 Arnold Classic at 247lbs with a distended gut , look at the pic of Cormier from the 1999 Olympia where he is in the backround with a nice distened gut , now you say " okay well if its good for Dorian's goose its certainly good for Ron's gander " true enough , you can't be harsh for Ron when Yates got away with , but Ron is in a leauge of his own when it comes to guts
By the 2000 Mr Olympia the magazines are stating Ron needs to improve is midsection , then 2001 comes along and Ron's gut is really starting to just hang out all over the place , 2002 Olympia he " beats " Levrone and Kevin says " No Mr Olympia should have a gut " and then 2003 comes and Oh boy , Ron was the most massive ANY Mr olympia has ever been 287lbs on contest day and everyone if caught up in the moment and his gut is now a complete joke , his gut is the biggest of any Mr Olympia by far , 2004 296lbs lol and still expanding , 2005 they basically make a mandate because of the trend he started and he comes in lighter and with a smaller waist compared to 03/04 but its STILL there
The whole GH gut thing is a joke , I remember seeing the pictures in the magazines in early 1994 of the 93 Olympia and I just couldn't get over the fact Dorian could win with a gut that wide & distended , I was routing for Flex and thought he was the only one who could beat Dorain and he didn't , but believe me I was complaing about this back then !!
Momo was a great bodybuilder , however his midsection did start to get thick and he did have a GH gut .
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but those who favor Dorian's physique have a point. His back and calves were exceptional.
no they don't because Ronnie's back is much better in the rear double bi, and his lats look better because, at his best, his waist was much smaller.
so dorian has better calves and abs. wow.
I don't think that, even at their bests, Dorian and ronnie have many similarites.
Ronnie has lots of detail in the arms, quads, delts, upper back and chest.
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has a wasp waist (at his best).
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has good vascularity.
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has great arms, quads and delts.
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has classic lines,
Dorian was blocky.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
like night and day.
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no they don't because Ronnie's back is much better in the rear double bi, and his lats look better because, at his best, his waist was much smaller.
so dorian has better calves and abs. wow.
I don't think that, even at their bests, Dorian and ronnie have many similarites.
Ronnie has lots of detail in the arms, quads, delts, upper back and chest.
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has a wasp waist (at his best).
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has good vascularity.
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has great arms, quads and delts.
Dorian does not.
Ronnie has classic lines,
Dorian was blocky.
like night and day.
Physique wise they are different , but Ronnie having classic lines LOL get the hook gee I wonder why he wasn't on the 20 most aesthetic bodybuilders list ::) he ranks up there with the best of them ::) Ronnie & Dorian were both freaks , size & conditioning , great backs !! Cormier has the lines , Ronnie doesn't , so keep trying .
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funny how flex magazine in their 99 Olynmpia coverage talks about Ronnie's lines and aesthetics.
funny how several years of a monster gut can make people forget.
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So ND, if Dorian is not your favorite then name five bodybuilders who should have beaten Dorian during his reign. I harp on this because you belabor the point that Coleman was in 9th place in 1997, so by de facto standards he would lose to Dorian in 1998. You state since Ronnie only beat Flex by three points, there would have been no way in hell Coleman would have beaten Yates. However, you just posted that Yates did not look good in 1997 and should have lost. With that logic, since you feel Flex was better, Dorian would have been third in the 1998 Mr. Olympia. :o Damn, that is quite a fall for your hero. I feel your thorough dislike for Coleman has clouded your vision. Coleman was better in 1998/1999 than Yates ever was. His waist was tight and his muscles popped. The only year your boy came close was 1992/1993; after those years he was a walking bag of shit. His symmetry sucked and his gut...yes, GH gut...was pronounced. Coleman just decided to take it to the next level. However, beyond increasing his waist size, he supersized his thighs, hams, back, chest and arms. So, even a supersized Coleman ala 2003-2005 would have dwarfed Dorian. I surmise that from the front, Gutler would have schooled Yates. Way better lines and thighs that are ripped.
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funny how flex magazine in their 99 Olynmpia coverage talks about Ronnie's lines and aesthetics.
funny how several years of a monster gut can make people forget.
LMFAO at aesthetics , two of these bodybuilders have aesthetics and it isn't the one with the gut hanging out in back !!
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So ND, if Dorian is not your favorite then name five bodybuilders who should have beaten Dorian during his reign. I harp on this because you belabor the point that Coleman was in 9th place in 1997, so by de facto standards he would lose to Dorian in 1998. You state since Ronnie only beat Flex by three points, there would have been no way in hell Coleman would have beaten Yates. However, you just posted that Yates did not look good in 1997 and should have lost. With that logic, since you feel Flex was better, Dorian would have been third in the 1998 Mr. Olympia. :o Damn, that is quite a fall for your hero. I feel your thorough dislike for Coleman has clouded your vision. Coleman was better in 1998/1999 than Yates ever was. His waist was tight and his muscles popped. The only year your boy came close was 1992/1993; after those years he was a walking bag of shit. His symmetry sucked and his gut...yes, GH gut...was pronounced. Coleman just decided to take it to the next level. However, beyond increasing his waist size, he supersized his thighs, hams, back, chest and arms. So, even a supersized Coleman ala 2003-2005 would have dwarfed Dorian. I surmise that from the front, Gutler would have schooled Yates. Way better lines and thighs that are ripped.
Yates in 97 was still shredded although his gut was out of control couple that with a torn tri , he should have lost but he didn't and lets say he enetered in 98 looking the way he did , I would say he should have lost to Coleman & Flex but he wouldn't because he had the title and they don't let reigning winner lose , Yates is a perfect example of that and so is Coleman
Now I say hypothetically if Yates conitued even after he tore his tricep injury free and kept improving Ronnie would have never beat him in 98 .
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hmmm. I have the 99 video and ronnie's stomach is tight.
that gut pic from 99 may not be legit.
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hmmm. I have the 99 video and ronnie's stomach is tight.
that gut pic from 99 may not be legit.
Oh stop it , its legit and Flex & Chris waste Coleman in the aesthetics dept !!
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Once again ND, you make no sense. In 1997, Dorian was going downhill fast. Yes, the judges let the Mr. Olympia win as you have to knock out the champ. But seriously, do you honestly believe that Dorian was going to get better. That is like saying if Ronnie kept his gut in check (relatively) after the 2001 ASC and then magically put on 40 pounds of muscle everywhere else, he would win. No shit, if they got better there would not even be a discussion. Dorian was getting worse, very much so. In 1997, his symmetry was horrific. He had a good back and calves; everything else was a cluster. Ronnie looked amazing in 1998/1999. If he would have gotten 2nd, hypothetically, to a bloated disproportionate Yates, there would have been a bigger outcry than Jay losing in 2001 to an off Coleman. Thus, your post has no merit as you know damn well that Dorian was not going to get better. After 1993, he was a making a progressive slide downwards and by 1997 he had driven off the cliff. Ronnie was better and you know it. Now, I agree it would be fun to compare the two from 1993(DY) to 1999/2003(RC) and have a hypothetical face-off. It has been done time and time again, but at least you are comparing them in shape. In 1998, it would have been no contest, unless the judging was fixed, which is couldn't possibly be in a pro show. ::)
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Once again ND, you make no sense. In 1997, Dorian was going downhill fast. Yes, the judges let the Mr. Olympia win as you have to knock out the champ. But seriously, do you honestly believe that Dorian was going to get better. That is like saying if Ronnie kept his gut in check (relatively) after the 2001 ASC and then magically put on 40 pounds of muscle everywhere else, he would win. No shit, if they got better there would not even be a discussion. Dorian was getting worse, very much so. In 1997, his symmetry was horrific. He had a good back and calves; everything else was a cluster. Ronnie looked amazing in 1998/1999. If he would have gotten 2nd, hypothetically, to a bloated disproportionate Yates, there would have been a bigger outcry than Jay losing in 2001 to an off Coleman. Thus, your post has no merit as you know damn well that Dorian was not going to get better. After 1993, he was a making a progressive slide downwards and by 1997 he had driven off the cliff. Ronnie was better and you know it. Now, I agree it would be fun to compare the two from 1993(DY) to 1999/2003(RC) and have a hypothetical face-off. It has been done time and time again, but at least you are comparing them in shape. In 1998, it would have been no contest, unless the judging was fixed, which is couldn't possibly be in a pro show. ::)
You're not understanding what I said , I said hypothetically if Yates keep improving from 1995 on without any other mishaps or torn muscles there would be no way that Coleman would have beaten in 98 , the only other thing Ronnie had in 98 was mucg improved conditioning and that wouldn't beat even with a torn bicep
And let me state this if Dorian decided to enter the the 1998 Mr Olympia in the shape he enetered the 97 Olympia he would have won ever though he wouldn't deserve to , and there would be a big outcry and it would be a travisty , but A reiging Mr Olympia doesn't lose , the last time that happend was 1984 !!
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Using Cormier as an example of aesthetics isn't saying much-Martinez & Anthony smoke his ass. Cormier's got a special air of mediocrity about him, part of why he's always been over-hyped. Even in terms of aesthetics.
Coleman's aesthetics at his best were at least as good, better IMO; he just has a flow between muscles accompanied by shape, that Cormier doesn't. Much better aesthetics than Yates, who never had much taper, with the powerlifter hips and waist.
Other than Ron's big advantages in taper, shape, flow, size, cuts, vascularity, bis, tris, delts & thighs, Yates is better. :D
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Using Cormier as an example of aesthetics isn't saying much-Martinez & Anthony smoke his ass. Cormier's got a special air of mediocrity about him, part of why he's always been over-hyped. Even in terms of aesthetics.
Coleman's aesthetics at his best were at least as good, better IMO; he just has a flow between muscles accompanied by shape, that Cormier doesn't. Much better aesthetics than Yates, who never had much taper, with the powerlifter hips and waist.
Other than Ron's big advantages in taper, shape, flow, size, cuts, vascularity, bis, tris, delts & thighs, Yates is better. :D
Cormier is among the best heavier aesthetic bodybuilders currently competing , better in my opinion than Martinez and at least on par with Melvin at a heavier weight !! Yates' doesn't have wide hips or a wide waist it became with a lot more weight , look at Yates in 91/92 look at Yates at 230lbs his waist is absolutely tiny as is his hips , and for all of you guys who say Yates has no taper why then does his ab-thigh shot not look like Cutlers? who at this point is probably as wide in the back as Yates was ? amd you say Ron has advatnages in taper , shape , flow , size , cuts , vasculairty , bis , tris , delts & thighs its all moot because he already better bigger guys , guys with better shape , smaller waists , etc he beat Coleman who was at his best weight around 250lbs but he wasn't at his best condition but even if he was Yates' conditioning was outstanding .
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Cormier: jack of all trades, definitely master of nothing. Even regarding aesthetics he's just not special enough.
Yates: joints were just too damn thick to make for nice sweeps or tapers-a domain of the bodybuilding greats. Yates had great density, thickness and conditioning.
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Yates in 97 was still shredded although his gut was out of control couple that with a torn tri , he should have lost but he didn't and lets say he enetered in 98 looking the way he did , I would say he should have lost to Coleman & Flex but he wouldn't because he had the title and they don't let reigning winner lose , Yates is a perfect example of that and so is Coleman
Now I say hypothetically if Yates conitued even after he tore his tricep injury free and kept improving Ronnie would have never beat him in 98 .
I actually agree with you :-\
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Face it, the fact of the matter is that Yate's did blow his bicep and you can't change that. Thus, when he faced off against an in shape Coleman, he would have lost. I don't believe that back double bi is from 1997, but maybe you can pull the article with pics. The reason, in 1998/1999 he was way denser and thicker. I believe that was Ronnie around 240. Put 15 pounds on him with better conditioning, then we talk. Yates looked bloated in 1995; his arm was already jacked. Moreover, he started losing any semblance of symmetry after 1993. Those B&W pics you love are from 1993. Agreed, he was huge, but he was stll 10-15 pounds heavier than what he brought to the stage. Also, the lighting was perfect and the photographer was excellent. Put pics of Ronnie in 2003 with controlled lighting and a similar B&W photographer and you would see that graininess and density show up better this way. Digitalization to B&W does not cut it. Anywho, the what if's are interesting, but most pro bodybuilders when asked who is from another world, Ronnie gets mentioned way more than Yates.
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hmmm. I have the 99 video and ronnie's stomach is tight.
that gut pic from 99 may not be legit.
I feel you have allot of things of Ronnies. You either have to be Ronnie himself or at least related in some way. And I'm pretty sure you are the National President for the Ronnie Coleman Fan Club. COleman is definitely the most massive BB out there or ever. No doubt. But he is far from having the most pleasing body to look at. Like I said somewhere else, do a poll in several major magazines like Life, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, Time, Readers Digest, and a few more. Show them a picture of Coleman along with Richard Jones or even Pavol. Ask the readers what body they find most attractive and appealing and something they would love to have and COleman would barely receive 10% of the vote if that. When Arnold was Mr. Olympia those numbers would be reversed, only 10% would not want his body. Mr. Olympia got our of hand. It is not a title to award the best built body anymore. It is whoever is the biggest and freakiest looking. There is nothing aesthetic about Coleman. Sorry Hulkster
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The context has been completely forgotten, obviously.
Bodybuilding dating back to the 70s has rarely been about most aesthetic or appealing to the average joe. Ask someone in a poll in the 70s and Schwarzenegger comes in well behind Zane & Ed Corney with the general public.
Best to keep the different context in mind.
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I feel you have allot of things of Ronnies. You either have to be Ronnie himself or at least related in some way. And I'm pretty sure you are the National President for the Ronnie Coleman Fan Club. COleman is definitely the most massive BB out there or ever. No doubt. But he is far from having the most pleasing body to look at. Like I said somewhere else, do a poll in several major magazines like Life, Newsweek, Sports Illustrated, Time, Readers Digest, and a few more. Show them a picture of Coleman along with Richard Jones or even Pavol. Ask the readers what body they find most attractive and appealing and something they would love to have and COleman would barely receive 10% of the vote if that. When Arnold was Mr. Olympia those numbers would be reversed, only 10% would not want his body. Mr. Olympia got our of hand. It is not a title to award the best built body anymore. It is whoever is the biggest and freakiest looking. There is nothing aesthetic about Coleman. Sorry Hulkster
I thought he was very aesthetic around 98 and 99. Better than Flex no-torso Wheeler.
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I thought he was very aesthetic around 98 and 99. Better than Flex no-torso Wheeler.
that is what I am saying, and that is what inside people (magazine writers) said back in 1998/9.
Just because Ronnie has had a big gut for the last 3 million years doesn't mean he didn't have great lines and taper at one time.
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that is what I am saying, and that is what inside people (magazine writers) said back in 1998/9.
Just because Ronnie has had a big gut for the last 3 million years doesn't mean he didn't have great lines and taper at one time.
I don't see how people didn't think he was aesthetic. Small waist, nice lines and great thickness.
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Coleman was never aesthetic , you guys think flaring quads and a small waist with wide shoulders equals aesthetic , it doesn't Mike Francios , fits that criteria to a T and he isn't aesthetic , Ronnie was always a bunch of impressive parts and at one time he managed to tie them together pretty good ( 240-250lbs ) and then he fucked it all up again , but aesthetic , not even close .
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Coleman was never aesthetic , you guys think flaring quads and a small waist with wide shoulders equals aesthetic , it doesn't Mike Francios , fits that criteria to a T and he isn't aesthetic , Ronnie was always a bunch of impressive parts and at one time he managed to tie them together pretty good ( 240-250lbs ) and then he fucked it all up again , but aesthetic , not even close .
cut the crap he was never aesthetic to you
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Cute but makes no sense. You're basically saying that anyone in the audience at any conest must be gay.
NO...never said that. but I wouldn't go pay to see them..sorry.
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cut the crap he was never aesthetic to you
Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!
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Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!
once again, 7 years of having a gut destorts people's memory of the truth.
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he looks like a fat guy who never worked out
are you kidding me???
how long have you followed bodybuilding to now know that the pros get huge in offseason. It's not what the eye can see now, it's what's underneath.... ::)
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Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!
I think he was aesthetic and so do many others ::)
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Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!
why? LOL like that validates something :) because some jack0ff editor didnt like it, that's why
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I wonder if Jay peeked in here? ;D
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Yeah ,think about it...everyone jokes about pros doing "special" posing sesions with fags...well not a whole lot different in my opinion.(except the anal sex part)
sorry boy's "sounds" like the crowd got there moneys worth!!! listen for yourself......
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people call this bodybuilding ???
my friend you dont seem to understand the idea behind bodybuilding as of 2006. the bigger the better. PERIOD! you can take the condition game to china. the higher muscle mass you have in the off the better you will arrive at the presentation day. now dont get me wrong here! condition matters but at this game at this level.. we come in already having the condition needed (atleast most of the times)
the pic you posted of ron has lots of water in it and single bodyfat% 9-10% his lean muscle mass is enourmous he is a lot but A LOT BIGGER than any other bodybuilder now days and i mean A LOT. his genetic potential and response to hormones is superior to any bodybuilder out there now days and the only one who could give him a shot for the money is already 25 years retired (arnold) since he is the only bodybuilder who did have the same response to hormone use.
you can not win against ron even if he comes less than 100% on. his muscle mass is simply larger than yours. its a fact we learned to live with. thats that
when ron retires its a new ball game.
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I don't think the distended guts have anything to do with growth hormone. Bob Paris admitted to GH use, and his midsection was just fine. I wouldn't be surprised if Lee Haney used the stuff too. There are probably thousands upon thousands of GH users who don't have distended guts.
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I don't think the distended guts have anything to do with growth hormone. Bob Paris admitted to GH use, and his midsection was just fine. I wouldn't be surprised if Lee Haney used the stuff too. There are probably thousands upon thousands of GH users who don't have distended guts.
well old men use testosterone too...and they are not usually real muscular.I think it is all dose dependant.
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Oh please , why oh why din't he make the 20 most asethetic bodybuilders list then? I'll tell you why , because he has an ugly phsyique , no harmony , balance , a gigantic ass , a bloated stomach , believe me , he isn't in the leauge if ANY of that list !!
If your'e using flex's "20 most list"as some sort of proof for your argument then youre more stupid than i thought. Whats your opinion then on dorian not making the "20 best guns in history list", yet you adamantly insist his arms are better than colemans who incidently made the list.
Things that make you go hhhmmmmmm....
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If your'e using flex's "20 most list"as some sort of proof for your argument then youre more stupid than i thought. Whats your opinion then on dorian not making the "20 best guns in history list", yet you adamantly insist his arms are better than colemans who incidently made the list.
Things that make you go hhhmmmmmm....
cause Dorian's arms were not one of the 20 best..that is why they didn't include him.
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dorian f'uckin kills him offseason.....
thats not much good when ur a pro bodybuilder lol
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I don't think the distended guts have anything to do with growth hormone. Bob Paris admitted to GH use, and his midsection was just fine.
the amount of GH available at the time was quite small. Bob Paris could have only used a fraction of the daily dose of what pro bodybuilders use today. and he used it for one contest, maybe 10 weeks tops. bodybuilders today develop GH gut after years of heavy use. and usually they're using insulin as well.
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cause Dorian's arms were not one of the 20 best..that is why they didn't include him.
Yes, but this invalidates nd's use of flexs list which is utter garbage in the first place.
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Of course GH is the reason for the guts. That's extra muscle on the waistline, it's not fat.
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dorian f'uckin kills him offseason.....
Yeah, good, cause that's when it counts ::)
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he looks like a fat guy who never worked out
And you sound like twelve years old...There is not even one pro BB, who doesn't look fat off season, there in only them who allow to take pictures in that condition and those who wouldn't. It is just about impossible to increase muscle mass without adding lots of calories in your diet, and when you do that , you look fat. So simple.
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Yeah, good, cause that's when it counts ::)
Hahahahaha....great point ;D
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He's not even fat there. Look at the hamstrings ::)
Isn't that your head there lodged between his glutes?
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Ronnie looks horrible in these recent guest posing pics. His is bloated and carrying a good bit of fat, mainly in the torso. Yes, he will likely look ripped and massive at the O and probably take the title again, but that doesn't excuse looking like this for a paid guest posing appearance. When guys don't show up in half way decent condition, they shouldn't only get half their $. They should also schedule guest posing when they know they will be in reasonable shape.
The trend of being out of shape the majority of the year only to tighten up in the weeks preceeding a show is horrible. I sincerely hope this changes some. Maybe with more emphasis judging on aesthetics the guy won't have to do everything possible to obtain mass in the offseason.
BBing is supposed to be about the perfect muscular physique....the greek ideal (as someone else said). Powerful, muscular, but aesthetic and flowing. This is a far cry from that original idea!
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Isn't that your head there lodged between his glutes?
No, I've never met Ronnie, although I did see him signing autographs at the Arnold.
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Physique wise they are different , but Ronnie having classic lines LOL get the hook gee I wonder why he wasn't on the 20 most aesthetic bodybuilders list ::) he ranks up there with the best of them ::) Ronnie & Dorian were both freaks , size & conditioning , great backs !! Cormier has the lines , Ronnie doesn't , so keep trying .
Ronnie wipes his ass with that "20 most aesthetic bodybuilders list" and then goes and polishes his 8 Sandows to make himself feel better for having been left off of it :)
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If your'e using flex's "20 most list"as some sort of proof for your argument then youre more stupid than i thought. Whats your opinion then on dorian not making the "20 best guns in history list", yet you adamantly insist his arms are better than colemans who incidently made the list.
Things that make you go hhhmmmmmm....
Define guns if you mean biceps of course he's not going to make the list , if your talking triceps & forearms thats another story , Ronnie has bowling pin type forearms , Yates has better forarms , triceps Yates has outstanding sidehead development , Ronnie doesn't thats why sidetri was one of Yates marquee shots , Yates forearms are more proportionate to his biceps & triceps compared to Ronnie
And Ronnie from an aesthetics standpoint simply has an ugly physique , thats why he didn't make the list , you think that the only criteria for an aesthetic phsyique is wide shoulders & a small waist and great quadsweep , its not Mike Francios had that and his aesthetics were M.I.A just like Colemans , or Orville Burkes , etc , Haney , Cormier , Paris , and Flex epitomize size & aesthetics
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Define guns if you mean biceps of course he's not going to make the list , if your talking triceps & forearms thats another story , Ronnie has bowling pin type forearms , Yates has better forarms , triceps Yates has outstanding sidehead development , Ronnie doesn't thats why sidetri was one of Yates marquee shots , Yates forearms are more proportionate to his biceps & triceps compared to Ronnie
And Ronnie from an aesthetics standpoint simply has an ugly physique , thats why he didn't make the list , you think that the only criteria for an aesthetic phsyique is wide shoulders & a small waist and great quadsweep , its not Mike Francios had that and his aesthetics were M.I.A just like Colemans , or Orville Burkes , etc , Haney , Cormier , Paris , and Flex epitomize size & aesthetics
Yates does not have better triceps. They only look better in one pose, the side triceps, therefore they are inferior. Ronnie's forearms are not bowling pin like. They just have a nice taper because he has small wrists. I think Ronnie is fairly aesthetic and was very aesthetic.
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people call this bodybuilding ???
DOESN'T LOOK GOOD OR HEALTHY
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If your'e using flex's "20 most list"as some sort of proof for your argument then youre more stupid than i thought. Whats your opinion then on dorian not making the "20 best guns in history list", yet you adamantly insist his arms are better than colemans who incidently made the list.
Things that make you go hhhmmmmmm....
hahaha ND caught in his own stupidity.
Here's a simple way to tell who has better overall arms (between dorian and ronnie):
ya don't need to analyze the forearms and triceps and do some sort of math equation where 2/3ds of the arm is therefore better than Ronnie's 1/3d.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
:D
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hahaha ND caught in his own stupidity.
Here's a simple way to tell who has better overall arms (between dorian and ronnie):
ya don't need to analyze the forearms and triceps and do some sort of math equation where 2/3ds of the arm is therefore better than Ronnie's 1/3d.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!!
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bwcoleman0edecbab.jpg)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974026807.jpg)
:D
Dorian looks like used elephant dung in that picture :-\
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Hmmm lets see Hulkster posting a studio pic of Ronnie vs a cummy magazine scan of Yates at 240lbs lol thats a totally fair comparision lol what a jack ass , Ronnie himself said Yates has the best side chest & the freakiest back he ever seen , so much your thesis on his weak chest lol
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Hahaha, Ronnie is so big
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Hmmm lets see Hulkster posting a studio pic of Ronnie vs a cummy magazine scan of Yates at 240lbs lol thats a totally fair comparision lol what a jack ass , Ronnie himself said Yates has the best side chest & the freakiest back he ever seen , so much your thesis on his weak chest lol
Dorian had a good chest. It just wasn't a blockbuster.
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Hmmm lets see Hulkster posting a studio pic of Ronnie vs a cummy magazine scan of Yates at 240lbs lol thats a totally fair comparision lol what a jack ass , Ronnie himself said Yates has the best side chest & the freakiest back he ever seen , so much your thesis on his weak chest lol
ND, show me a most muscular from Yates that comes anywhere near that one of Ronnie. You can't - the arms, chest, delts, detail and vascularity just are not to the same level
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My point is ND can't use flex's lists to prove ronnie isnt aesthetic when he won't accept that ronnie has better arms than dorian.
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My point is ND can't use flex's lists to prove ronnie isnt aesthetic when he won't accept that ronnie has better arms than dorian.
true.
the fact that ND won't accept that Ronnie has better arms than Dorian just shows that ND is not even looking at the two physiques. He just hates ronnie so much that he can't even see what every other member of this board, and probably the ENTIRE Bodybuilding community:
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1991-mr-olympia-pictures/8.jpg)
that this man
does not have better arms than
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999britishgrandprix/49.jpg)
this man
(http://www.mesorx.com/images/RonnieBicepM.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68682.0;attach=76391;image)
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ND, show me a most muscular from Yates that comes anywhere near that one of Ronnie. You can't - the arms, chest, delts, detail and vascularity just are not to the same level
Here you go this is NOT a professional studio photo done with the best lighting and as many takes as needed to get perfect , in this pic he thick as a brick everywhere his chest , delts and traps look like they couldn't fit another ounce without exploding even his ' mediocre ' arms are massive , in this pic you can't match - the balance , the proportion , the density and the calves just are not on the same level
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Looks ok, then in comparison suddenly it's all over..
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I predict another 7 pages of mindless bullshit from ND and Hulkster. Why don't you two just get a room?
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true.
the fact that ND won't accept that Ronnie has better arms than Dorian just shows that ND is not even looking at the two physiques. He just hates ronnie so much that he can't even see what every other member of this board, and probably the ENTIRE Bodybuilding community:
that this man
does not have better arms than
this man
I never said he has better biceps ;) I said triceps & forearms and they fit his torso a lot better than Colemans , Yates has better triceps , I'm sorry but even at their best Ronnie sidehead development is no where near as sharp as Dorians and Yates' side tri was the gold standard and forearms again Dorian's are like Mike Metzer and Ronnie's are like Al Beckles
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Now compare the 2 just based on triceps development when veiwed from the rear on the same basic pose , you can see Dorian's has better development & separation
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Either Dorian or Ronnie dwarf any of you
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This is why I say Dorian has better arms overall his triceps in my opinion are better as well has having an edge on forearms , Ronnie owns Dorian as far as biceps and biceps brachialis , but Dorian's arms have better proportion & balance , especially in relation to his physique overall , Ronnie's forearms are shaped like Al Beckles and they are to small for his biceps/triceps ( disclaimer they are not small in general only when compared to his amazing biceps and his triceps ) remember having strong bodyparts can be a weakness !! this picture best shows what I'm talking about .
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That is not a picture. It is a silohette. Stop resorting (AGAIN) to this silly little measure. Put levrone in that picture and by your reasoning he'd oust both. Infact place dennis james in there and apart from the high lats he'd resemble yates but is his physique similar. NO! Silohettes don't mean shit
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This is why I say Dorian has better arms overall his triceps in my opinion are better as well has having an edge on forearms , Ronnie owns Dorian as far as biceps and biceps brachialis , but Dorian's arms have better proportion & balance , especially in relation to his physique overall , Ronnie's forearms are shaped like Al Beckles and they are to small for his biceps/triceps ( disclaimer they are not small in general only when compared to his amazing biceps and his triceps ) remember having strong bodyparts can be a weakness !! this picture best shows what I'm talking about .
Dorian's triceps look better in only one pose, the side triceps, therefore they are inferior. Posting something that doesn't show detail and vascularity is ridiculous. Ronnie's forearms definitely aren't too small. They actually show some taper, unlike Dorian's construction worker forearms. ::)
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Dorian "no tris" Yates? Make these into silhouettes. ::)
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Dorian "no tris" Yates? Make these into silhouettes. ::)
Great pic,pumpster, bwahahahaha....better overall arms...hahaha...."Narcissistic Deity's credibility is dead" ;D
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What an arm. Surely the two men on eitehr side must of been thinking "this is my year fo sho" only to be robbed.
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No tri? lol :o
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Shame its ugly and the antithesis of every standard you hold in high regard.
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Monster striations ::)
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Re: that sillouhette picture of Ronnie and Dorian compared:
If the heights were correct Ronnie would be 2 or 3 inches taller than Dorian and at this scale he would crush Yates in arm size. He is more muscular to look at by a long way.
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Re: that sillouhette picture of Ronnie and Dorian compared:
If the heights were correct Ronnie would be 2 or 3 inches taller than Dorian and at this scale he would crush Yates in arm size. He is more muscular to look at by a long way.
Two to Three inches taller? I know the scale if off but Ronnie is one inch taller than Dorian and thats it .
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Re: that sillouhette picture of Ronnie and Dorian compared:
If the heights were correct Ronnie would be 2 or 3 inches taller than Dorian and at this scale he would crush Yates in arm size. He is more muscular to look at by a long way
He used something called the "Iron Age" scale for those. ::)
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He used something called the "Iron Age" scale for those. ::)
I didn't make that mororn !! ;) now don't you look stupid :)
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he looks like a fat guy who never worked out
What a dumb-ass statement to make! Man, you're blind!
Ronnie's just in his off-season state and he DOES look like he trains!
- Hugh G. Reqshun
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No tri? lol :o
wow ND.that is surely the best ever pic of a triceps.amazing pic.hey dude from where r u getting all these pics.dude post some more.
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wow ND.that is surely the best ever pic of a triceps.amazing pic.hey dude from where r u getting all these pics.dude post some more.
Narcissistic Deity has a lifetime subscription to Flex ;D
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I was kidding; unfortunately it hit a nerve and u went off..
Dorians *only* good tri shot is that side one.
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people call this bodybuilding ???
AHHHHHahahahahaha!
Ronnie looks like a big fat chocolate muffin....
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It just show's what these guy's can do in a few month's to win a show,a shame the general non lifting public who think they are ripped all year long.then say to regular in shape type like most on this board like myself ,oh you can never look like that .if they saw them in offseason shape they would be suprised.
i get a few comments like that too, i'm a big guy but not big in terms of current bodybuilding but people say that i'm too out of shape to be a bber but they dont realize that most arent super ripped all year round.
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i get a few comments like that too, i'm a big guy but not big in terms of current bodybuilding but people say that i'm too out of shape to be a bber but they dont realize that most arent super ripped all year round.
Are you at 20% bodyfat? :-\
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Are you at 20% bodyfat? :-\
when i measured last month i was just under 15 %
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when i measured last month i was just under 15 %
Is that as high as you usually get?
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people call this bodybuilding ???
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68792.0;attach=839589;image)
Little did we know ...what was in store for King Ronnie
He'd be the happiest dude in this industry if he could've kept half that muscle mass/functional
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BumP
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people call this bodybuilding ???
WHOA!