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Stilff legged deadlifts and behind the neck presses. I never seen anyone doing these any more (besides me). I see them doing Romanian deadlifts and military presses. I've seen this in several gyms the past few years. Didn't expect the non bodybuilders to do these but suprised none of the bodybuilders that I've talked to do them. They say RDL's are better for hamstrings than stiffs. I tell them that behind neck presses are better for width and they say military's are better and that my exercises are outdated. I don't know. I've tried them but didn't think they worked as well but maybe I'm wrong.
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I do behind the neck presses quite regular. Same as behind the neck pull downs. I know many say against it, but I have insane strength behind the neck vs in front. Not sure why. Theres probably some physio expert here that knows the mechanics. Another exercise I love that I hardly see anyone doing anymore is upright rows. People do shrugs yet I've never bothered with them. Lats wise, that one exercise behind the neck pull is what really poked them out. Whether it's because I had more strength on the exercise or whether genetically they were bound to no matter what I tried, I don't know but it seems around the time I really started doing that exercise.
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Yep I do behind neck presses behind neck pulldowns still leg deadlifts ( best ham builder there is) And either my nautilus pullover or dumbbell pullover. Honestly I prefer the dumbbell pullover. I have really NEVER did front press ( front delts get enough from chest work) and never do front pulldowns ( that seems to be harder on shoulders than behind. I use a leaning forward style when doing them. It kind of mimicks nautilus behind neck pulldowns and I feel much more in lats.. For me anyways
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I do behind the neck presses quite regular. Same as behind the neck pull downs. I know many say against it, but I have insane strength behind the neck vs in front. Not sure why. Theres probably some physio expert here that knows the mechanics. Another exercise I love that I hardly see anyone doing anymore is upright rows. People do shrugs yet I've never bothered with them. Lats wise, that one exercise behind the neck pull is what really poked them out. Whether it's because I had more strength on the exercise or whether genetically they were bound to no matter what I tried, I don't know but it seems around the time I really started doing that exercise.
You're right about uprights. Never see those anymore. They're good for width and I always include them along with behind/neck's and lateral raises after my uprights.
Another one that's slowly going away are barbell rows for back. I see people doing various pulldowns and machine rows instead. I don't know; to me you realize when lifting that barbell/dumbbells give you the best bang for your buck but I think lifters are gravitating to machines more and more.
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You're right about uprights. Never see those anymore. They're good for width and I always include them along with behind/neck's and lateral raises after my uprights.
Another one that's slowly going away are barbell rows for back. I see people doing various pulldowns and machine rows instead. I don't know; to me you realize when lifting that barbell/dumbbells give you the best bang for your buck but I think lifters are gravitating to machines more and more.
True. The barbell rows, you're right. Come to think of it, I haven't done them myself other than when training with older guys that do them
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You're right about uprights. Never see those anymore. They're good for width and I always include them along with behind/neck's and lateral raises after my uprights.
Another one that's slowly going away are barbell rows for back. I see people doing various pulldowns and machine rows instead. I don't know; to me you realize when lifting that barbell/dumbbells give you the best bang for your buck but I think lifters are gravitating to machines more and more.
also best chance of low back injury, especially going to failure with heavy weights
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Yes, I still do them both... Love BNP's especially...
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I do Bradford Presses,and occasionally do Stiff -Legged Deads,as well as Pulldowns Behind Neck,and WIDE Upright Rows........never had a problem with stuff done behind the head,and I bring the bar all the way down until it touches my traps..........did PBN for years when I first started training,haven`t done them in ages as I think Bradfords are better due to the continuous tension......then again I only press occasionally as anterior delts get a lot of work on chest day, and I emphasize lateral delt work in an effort to try to increase my shoulder width.
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i see a lot of older guys who never focus on chest supported back movements as they age
always get lower back issues , neck issues , bad posture , or some sort of hip impingement or displacement
if you want a developed back , posture is key - locking hips in, scapular protraction while hooking the hands and pulling with the elbows
fck going heavy - no one cares , no one is watching , it’s just numbers and ego focus on the movement
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i see a lot of older guys who never focus on chest supported back movements as they age
always get lower back issues , neck issues , bad posture , or some sort of hip impingement or displacement
if you want a developed back , posture is key - locking hips in, scapular protraction while hooking the hands and pulling with the elbows
fck going heavy - no one cares , no one is watching , it’s just numbers and ego focus on the movement
^^^^ TRUTH
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Behind the neck presses are "better for width".
LOL.
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All free weight exercises are disappearing because gyms are so full of machines.
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I can say I pressed every way possible for 30 years,db presses,behind the neck,in front etc… they did fuck all for my shoulders. My shoulders are bigger than ever and all I do are laterals,fronts and rears.
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BNP
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I can say I pressed every way possible for 30 years,db presses,behind the neck,in front etc… they did fuck all for my shoulders. My shoulders are bigger than ever and all I do are laterals,fronts and rears.
I’ve sort of noticed the same. Presses still get done to a degree, but laterals are the key for me.
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Yes, I still do them both... Love BNP's especially...
how much can you BNP?
DRIVE! DRIVE! DRIVE!!!!!!!!
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have been doing heavy BNP for 25 years , perfectly healthy shoulders , will never stop 8)
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i still hit the behind neck barbel press.. seated.. never heavy anymore these days.. got 315 for 1 rep years ago tho lol.
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i still hit the behind neck barbel press.. seated.. never heavy anymore these days.. got 315 for 1 rep years ago tho lol.
that puts you in the top 1%
well done sir 8)
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I prefer behind the neck and stiff legs
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that puts you in the top 1%
well done sir 8)
really? ive seen fellas rep that shit over the years!
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really? ive seen fellas rep that shit over the years!
like who ???
louies boys sometimes trained at my gym back in the 90s and i never saw any of them do that
i did see 2 of them call black fellas the N word and those fellas didnt do shit bout it
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I prefer behind the neck and stiff legs
Post a vid doing BNPs.
We know your legs are stiff already.
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like who ???
louies boys sometimes trained at my gym back in the 90s and i never saw any of them do that
i did see 2 of them call black fellas the N word and those fellas didnt do shit bout it
Obviously these black fellas were not as tough as Bhanky.
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Mike Ohearn loves bnp
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Barbell shoulder presses were always a waste of time for me. My shoulders always reacted to raises and upright row much better.
I still do them now but with a band only. I get a better pump for some reason.
Stiff legs are one of vital exercises IMO. Men don't do them much, but the gym thots in yoga pants still do.
Machine rows > barbell rows for hypertrophy IMO. You can focus on the squeeze instead of heaving the weight.
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Stilff legged deadlifts and behind the neck presses. I never seen anyone doing these any more (besides me). I see them doing Romanian deadlifts and military presses. I've seen this in several gyms the past few years. Didn't expect the non bodybuilders to do these but suprised none of the bodybuilders that I've talked to do them. They say RDL's are better for hamstrings than stiffs. I tell them that behind neck presses are better for width and they say military's are better and that my exercises are outdated. I don't know. I've tried them but didn't think they worked as well but maybe I'm wrong.
Gyms I use I seldom see anyone doing
Front squats
DB rows
T bar row
Press behind neck
Deadlifts - let alone stiff leg deadlifts
I do all of them.
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It can be very hard to tell whether someone is inteding to do stiff legs, straight leg, Romanian or regular deads. Jordan Peters is constantly explaining to his subscribers what variation he's doing in his vids.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Nc7tkilyP/?igsh=a3k4cmlzbWZxMjQ5
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Nc7tkilyP/?igsh=a3k4cmlzbWZxMjQ5
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxIXW_yNGh6/?igsh=MTJ4NTUyem92dzk2eA==
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It can be very hard to tell whether someone is inteding to do stiff legs, straight leg, Romanian or regular deads. Jordan Peters is constantly explaining to his subscribers what variation he's doing in his vids.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Nc7tkilyP/?igsh=a3k4cmlzbWZxMjQ5
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Nc7tkilyP/?igsh=a3k4cmlzbWZxMjQ5
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxIXW_yNGh6/?igsh=MTJ4NTUyem92dzk2eA==
he is now my 2024 deadpool choice.
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like who ???
louies boys sometimes trained at my gym back in the 90s and i never saw any of them do that
i did see 2 of them call black fellas the N word and those fellas didnt do shit bout it
There's this Jewish writer who is constantly blasting Louie, about his and their racism. Says he's so glad Louie died, he was a piece of shit.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2NIVQihZsQ/?igsh=MjR2a2pudmswYXRl
I didn't know this was an issue until I saw Jamie's posts. And yeah, this guy takes offence because he is Jewish, otherwise he admires "strong and tough men."
This guy is a very good writer imo but his leftist talking points are a bit much.
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he is now my 2024 deadpool choice.
He says he is confident he will emerge unscathed from his bodybuilding, "I can handle one more prep." We'll see. So far he has survived nightmare level dosing, up to 6 grams according to him. I like the guy, love to see his clips. Earlier he said his GF asked him "are you about to die?"and then he went obsessively on a weightloss/muscle loss regimen. But he couldn't stay away.
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He says he is confident he will emerge unscathed from his bodybuilding, "I can handle one more prep." We'll see. So far he has survived nightmare level dosing, up to 6 grams according to him. I like the guy, love to see his clips. Earlier he said his GF asked him "are you about to die?"and then he went obsessively on a weightloss/muscle loss regimen. But he couldn't stay away.
Was Hankins offering him out on his Insta?
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He says he is confident he will emerge unscathed from his bodybuilding, "I can handle one more prep." We'll see. So far he has survived nightmare level dosing, up to 6 grams according to him. I like the guy, love to see his clips. Earlier he said his GF asked him "are you about to die?"and then he went obsessively on a weightloss/muscle loss regimen. But he couldn't stay away.
Sweet Spot Of Peace
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All free weight exercises are disappearing because gyms are so full of machines.
Quoted for truth. Never seen so many machines. Is sitting in all these machines healthy compared to standing with a barbell or dumbbells?
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I just about always include stiff deads off a block. The new way is to kept the back stiff but I round a little and never had a problem.
Press behind the neck was something I did for about 40 years. When my shoulders were injured I drifted away from them. I use standing military and standing dumbbell presses now. I think the reason why the press behind the neck bothers my shoulders is because of a lack of flexibility. I want to get back to doing them. I use to push every rep off my traps. Now I see guys stopping half way down their head.
I think they have gotten a bad rap. People don't damage their shoulders from them but damage them with tears because of a lack of flexibility. The bench is notorious for giving guys tight shoulders prone to tears like rotator ones and labrum. If you can hold the bar on your back as in the high bar squat positions to start each rep you should have no problem using them.
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Mike Ohearn loves bnp
say what you want about the wigs and the botox , this man is a beast that knows how to lift/dedicated to the iron, big respect for mike
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Behind the neck presses are "better for width".
LOL.
You laugh, but that statement is the essence of Getbig.
Some people are still grappling emotionally with what exercises are best. People are still mentally grappling with what rep ranges are best. People are still discussing how many sets per workout is best. Is heavy duty a scam or not (then make several threads bashing HIT). People still trying to come to terms with the 1980 Mr Olympia. People who still feel the need to remind us that Mike Mentzer used meth 40 years ago (We know. We get it. We knew this decades ago)
If they don’t fucking understand what works best for them by now. They will never understand.
They will post the same question next month. And then again a few months after that.
It doesn’t take 30 years of training to “finally discover” what’s better, barbell front presses or behind neck presses.
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You laugh, but that statement is the essence of Getbig.
Some people are still grappling emotionally with what exercises are best. People are still mentally grappling with what rep ranges are best. People are still discussing how many sets per workout is best. Is heavy duty a scam or not (then make several threads bashing HIT). People still trying to come to terms with the 1980 Mr Olympia. People who still feel the need to remind us that Mike Mentzer used meth 40 years ago (We know. We get it. We knew this decades ago)
If they don’t fucking understand what works best for them by now. They will never understand.
They will post the same question next month. And then again a few months after that.
It doesn’t take 30 years of training to “finally discover” what’s better, barbell front presses or behind neck presses.
SHOW US YOUR TITS YOU SLUT!
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SHOW US YOUR TITS YOU SLUT!
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Romanian deadlift is now my favorite leg exercise.
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Romanian deadlift is now my favorite leg exercise.
Hankins prefers the Spalding shirtlift
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he is now my 2024 deadpool choice.
He should be exercising his heart muscle way more than he is powerlifting.
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Romanian deadlift is now my favorite leg exercise.
For awhile every exercise variation was called Bulgarian. Now I see it's Romanian. Do they really do these exercises in Romania?
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Sometimes too much range of motion can cause problems.
With upright rows, if you take a shoulder width grip and raise the bar just to the point where you would flip your wrists, if you were cleaning it, you can get some side delt and trap development.
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Stilff legged deadlifts and behind the neck presses. I never seen anyone doing these any more (besides me). I see them doing Romanian deadlifts and military presses. I've seen this in several gyms the past few years. Didn't expect the non bodybuilders to do these but suprised none of the bodybuilders that I've talked to do them. They say RDL's are better for hamstrings than stiffs. I tell them that behind neck presses are better for width and they say military's are better and that my exercises are outdated. I don't know. I've tried them but didn't think they worked as well but maybe I'm wrong.
I do behind the neck presses quite regular. Same as behind the neck pull downs. I know many say against it, but I have insane strength behind the neck vs in front. Not sure why. Theres probably some physio expert here that knows the mechanics. Another exercise I love that I hardly see anyone doing anymore is upright rows. People do shrugs yet I've never bothered with them. Lats wise, that one exercise behind the neck pull is what really poked them out. Whether it's because I had more strength on the exercise or whether genetically they were bound to no matter what I tried, I don't know but it seems around the time I really started doing that exercise.
Yep I do behind neck presses behind neck pulldowns still leg deadlifts ( best ham builder there is) And either my nautilus pullover or dumbbell pullover. Honestly I prefer the dumbbell pullover. I have really NEVER did front press ( front delts get enough from chest work) and never do front pulldowns ( that seems to be harder on shoulders than behind. I use a leaning forward style when doing them. It kind of mimicks nautilus behind neck pulldowns and I feel much more in lats.. For me anyways
DEAR GOD
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I like RDLs
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Romanian deadlift is now my favorite leg exercise.
I like RDLs
Do your small hands struggle to grip the bar?
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I forgot about front squats! Great exercise. Put a board under heel. It is uncomfortable but go lighter and look up and rep out. What about REAL t-bar rows? Not these chest supported types but real ones? I love those. Just don't get carried away with poundage. And of course dips!!! So many great old school exercises but gyms want modern machines because that is what "sells" But us hardcore guys know the truth.
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There's this Jewish writer who is constantly blasting Louie, about his and their racism. Says he's so glad Louie died, he was a piece of shit.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2NIVQihZsQ/?igsh=MjR2a2pudmswYXRl
I didn't know this was an issue until I saw Jamie's posts. And yeah, this guy takes offence because he is Jewish, otherwise he admires "strong and tough men."
This guy is a very good writer imo but his leftist talking points are a bit much.
Subversive scum not a writer.
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Subversive scum not a writer.
the westside of cbus is white trash city and the ancestry of this white trash is 95% british isles
near east side is n place ie. trashy blacks
south side is poor non-trash whites
north end is richer more well off whites
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he is now my 2024 deadpool choice.
He looks about 5’2”. Midget bodybuilder of peace.
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Not the 2 exercises in the OP, but my decades of gymcelling have made me conclude that heavy barbell squats and deadlifts are overrated for hypertrophy.
I only do them with bands now (squats sometimes bodyweight). And zercher squats with the barbell for that core strength building.
It can't be good for you pushing your spine down with a heavy barbell. It's unnatural. The zercher squat is more of a natural movement.
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Not the 2 exercises in the OP, but my decades of gymcelling have made me conclude that heavy barbell squats and deadlifts are overrated for hypertrophy.
I only do them with bands now (squats sometimes bodyweight). And zercher squats with the barbell for that core strength building.
It can't be good for you pushing your spine down with a heavy barbell. It's unnatural. The zercher squat is more of a natural movement.
I agree they do fuck all for mass, and the zercher squat is pretty effective.
But it fucking hurts my arms enough that I can only go to a certain point.
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Subversive scum not a writer.
Seeing what this guy likes, he would have been fawning over Westside Barbell if it wasn't for the racism, the rebel flag or whatever which he assumes would have extended to "anti-semitism," and perhaps for good reason. He as a jew wouldn't have fit in. So no he gets all emotional. What dj said fits in in what Jamie says so probably true.
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I just about always include stiff deads off a block. The new way is to kept the back stiff but I round a little and never had a problem.
The body adapts to whatever you are doing. Lots of lifters flex the spine a little with regular deads and never have problems. In the physical therapist community they argue about the utility of "Jefferson curl.." Which is a light deadlift with an intentionallly rounded back.
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Not the 2 exercises in the OP, but my decades of gymcelling have made me conclude that heavy barbell squats and deadlifts are overrated for hypertrophy.
I only do them with bands now (squats sometimes bodyweight). And zercher squats with the barbell for that core strength building.
It can't be good for you pushing your spine down with a heavy barbell. It's unnatural. The zercher squat is more of a natural movement.
yes & no but i think from my experience that moderate weights & reps are key for a Bodybuilder.
I do squats & Deadlifts for at least 10 reps & have good results. Sometimes i will do leg press for sets of 15-20 & get a great pump.
Depends on your Goals & physical constitution.
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I include behind the Neck presses from time to time. Heard from PL's that it helps greatly with their benches. I see this exercise done in gyms, but not by many. Older guy's who look like they know what their doing mostly.
I will usually use a bar only for a stretch and warmup. Some space their grip out too wide which may cause extra stress on the shoulder girdle (inserts/joint). A little wider than shoulder width works well for most. But make no mistake the BNP a excellent shoulder movement,with the potential of hitting all three heads of the delts. Suggest that the upper body be kept at a straight up position. If using a shoulder press bench, might make sure it's a straight up mount.
I also include pullups behind the neck, touching the nap of the neck each rep.. To me an excellent movement for stretch and strength..
Have done quite a bit of SLDL's over the years.. But find that RDL hit the lower back and hams much better, on me anyway. Will tend more to keep the whole back straight, while you may tend to round the back more when doing regular SLDL's.
Good Luck.
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I include behind the Neck presses from time to time. Heard from PL's that it helps greatly with their benches. I see this exercise done in gyms, but not by many. Older guy's who look like they know what their doing mostly.
I will usually use a bar only for a stretch and warmup. Some space their grip out too wide which may cause extra stress on the shoulder girdle (inserts/joint). A little wider than shoulder width works well for most. But make no mistake the BNP a excellent shoulder movement,with the potential of hitting all three heads of the delts. Suggest that the upper body be kept at a straight up position. If using a shoulder press bench, might make sure it's a straight up mount.
I also include pullups behind the neck, touching the nap of the neck each rep.. To me an excellent movement for stretch and strength..
Have done quite a bit of SLDL's over the years.. But find that RDL hit the lower back and hams much better, on me anyway. Will tend more to keep the whole back straight, while you may tend to round the back more when doing regular SLDL's.
Good Luck.
You can actually hit the shoulders well, at least the front, by doing dumbells on an incline with like a parallel grip and the elbows in toward the body. Of course I always read that you should move your elbows out as much as possible but that might not be necessary. Elbows in is way easier on the shoulder joint. Of course elbows out barbell chest presses are dangerous for the pec attachment, which was a hard lesson for me. But I do like BNPs too and can still do them without pain at 46.
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For awhile every exercise variation was called Bulgarian. Now I see it's Romanian. Do they really do these exercises in Romania?
Ask Sev.
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I have recently diagnosed neck arthritis that spreads to my upper shoulder/clavicle area and was told to not do lat pulldowns OR military presses as it would make the pain and the condition worse?...
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I have recently diagnosed neck arthritis that spreads to my upper shoulder/clavicle area and was told to not do lat pulldowns OR military presses as it would make the pain and the condition worse?...
a statement ending with a question mark?
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Not the 2 exercises in the OP, but my decades of gymcelling have made me conclude that heavy barbell squats and deadlifts are overrated for hypertrophy.
I only do them with bands now (squats sometimes bodyweight). And zercher squats with the barbell for that core strength building.
It can't be good for you pushing your spine down with a heavy barbell. It's unnatural. The zercher squat is more of a natural movement.
As you get older, the risk/reward ratio of having a heavy bar loaded on your back becomes not worth it, IMO.