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Title: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: affeman on May 26, 2024, 01:51:33 AM
German IFBB Pro Kevin Gebhardt passed away, just saw it in Tim Budesheims story; idk his exact age but must've been in his late 20s/around 30. It's a shame...

This "sport" should be banned once and for all.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: balzac on May 26, 2024, 02:11:19 AM
saw a lot of his videos, cool guy but never had the genetics to go far...

but thats a real shocker to me, damn rip kevin

Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Gym Rat on May 26, 2024, 02:24:37 AM
Its just bio-identical hormones, cant at all be health concerning.

Either way, PIP to the fella, way too young.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Rusty Trombone on May 26, 2024, 07:22:18 AM

All worth it
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: affeman on May 26, 2024, 08:06:15 AM
According to this article he was 31

https://www.gannikus.de/news/ifbb-pro-kevin-gebhardt-verstorben/

Milos was his "coach" btw ::)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k17S-3C4Gks/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Taffin on May 26, 2024, 08:51:27 AM
Strange that Milos hasn't posted anything - the last RIP post from him was about Luke Wood 3 days ago

#widowmaker
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: MajorDomo on May 26, 2024, 09:10:40 AM
These isn't a sport- it's an excuse to use drugs.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Sissysquats on May 26, 2024, 09:10:59 AM
German IFBB Pro Kevin Gebhardt passed away, just saw it in Tim Budesheims story; idk his exact age but must've been in his late 20s/around 30. It's a shame...

This "sport" should be banned once and for all.

Swole Oompa Loompas
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: falco on May 26, 2024, 09:25:38 AM
RIP.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Raymondo on May 26, 2024, 09:26:39 AM
Milos was his coach?

Let me guess, kidney failure.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: a_pupil on May 26, 2024, 09:50:04 AM
What the fuck. I saw this guy's videos. He was no where near top level and shouldn't have been abusing roids.

Bodybuilding should be banned really.

In the old days, the guys cycled on and off. Even grew into shows. Plus there was no slin, hgh and weird peptides.

Now there's no time off and the retards are taking monster dosages year round.

It's just an excuse to abuse drugs at this point.

The shift from "time on/time off" cycles to blast and cruise or "trt" really upped the health sides.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: affeman on May 26, 2024, 09:56:56 AM
What the fuck. I saw this guy's videos. He was no where near top level and shouldn't have been abusing roids.

Bodybuilding should be banned really.

In the old days, the guys cycled on and off. Even grew into shows. Plus there was no slin, hgh and weird peptides.

Now there's no time off and the retards are taking monster dosages year round.

It's just an excuse to abuse drugs at this point.

The shift from "time on/time off" cycles to blast and cruise or "trt" really upped the health sides.

In the 90s it was a huge shocker when Munzer died in his early 30s and people were talking about it for decades.

These days every month even younger BB die and no one seems to even care because in 2 weeks it's forgotten anyway in these fast-moving times, it's insane
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: a_pupil on May 26, 2024, 10:03:32 AM
In the 90s it was a huge shocker when Munzer died in his early 30s and people were talking about it for decades.

These days every month even younger BB die and no one seems to even care because in 2 weeks it's forgotten anyway in these fast-moving times, it's insane

The funny/sad thing is that around 10 years ago, the guys dying out now would argue with you that never cycling off was better for your health because you kept your hormones from crashing  ;D.

People under 40-45 shouldn't be taking trt. And trt is 50-100 mg a week, not 250-500 mg.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: falco on May 26, 2024, 10:05:24 AM
Why doesnt anyone mention the elephant in the room?

Was he jabbed?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: beakdoctor on May 26, 2024, 10:39:30 AM
Too bad. He looked great. Fit and healthy. ::)
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: IroNat on May 26, 2024, 12:20:43 PM
He failed us.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: MAXX on May 26, 2024, 12:36:37 PM
Milos was his coach?

Let me guess, kidney failure.
kidney failure is a long drawn out process usually. Guessing heart.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: oldtimer1 on May 26, 2024, 01:13:24 PM
The funny/sad thing is that around 10 years ago, the guys dying out now would argue with you that never cycling off was better for your health because you kept your hormones from crashing  ;D.

People under 40-45 shouldn't be taking trt. And trt is 50-100 mg a week, not 250-500 mg.

You make a good point. How is it that every bodybuilder claims they are on TRT but taking dosages no legit doc would prescribe as they shoot up in their house. How does any healthy guy under 50 have low test? Why does every bodybuilder think their normal test levels should be 900? They weren't 900 when they were 21.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: balzac on May 26, 2024, 01:24:10 PM
All worth it

 :-\

1 year ago...

Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: joswift on May 26, 2024, 01:42:29 PM
why doesnt anyone tell thse people that being a pro is an unrealistic expectation?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 26, 2024, 02:11:25 PM
Milos was probably trying to get him to lower his doses. I mean this seriously. But he will be blamed anyway...
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Stephano on May 26, 2024, 02:21:19 PM
Milos was probably trying to get him to lower his doses. I mean this seriously. But he will be blamed anyway...

I'm sure Milos is a good boy and dindu nuffin  ::)
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: deadz on May 26, 2024, 02:43:48 PM
German IFBB Pro Kevin Gebhardt passed away, just saw it in Tim Budesheims story; idk his exact age but must've been in his late 20s/around 30. It's a shame...

This "sport" should be banned once and for all.
He played, he lost, oh well.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Taffin on May 26, 2024, 02:47:14 PM
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Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: pamith on May 26, 2024, 03:12:44 PM
All worth it
Bro...
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: IroNat on May 26, 2024, 03:21:57 PM
You make a good point. How is it that every bodybuilder claims they are on TRT but taking dosages no legit doc would prescribe as they shoot up in their house. How does any healthy guy under 50 have low test? Why does every bodybuilder think their normal test levels should be 900? They weren't 900 when they were 21.

Shhh...
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: oldschoolfan on May 26, 2024, 03:26:12 PM
According to this article he was 31

https://www.gannikus.de/news/ifbb-pro-kevin-gebhardt-verstorben/

Milos was his "coach" btw ::)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/k17S-3C4Gks/maxresdefault.jpg)

Milo’s has killed quite a few pros he is a sack or Serbian shit
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: IroNat on May 26, 2024, 03:26:52 PM
31 is a life well lived.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: wes on May 26, 2024, 04:03:39 PM
RIP
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 27, 2024, 12:51:19 AM
All worth it
The end goal is to be buried in a large casket. :-\
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: falco on May 27, 2024, 01:06:45 AM
why doesnt anyone tell thse people that being a pro is an unrealistic expectation?

If you want to lose somebody tell him the truth.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: falco on May 27, 2024, 01:11:17 AM
Milo’s has killed quite a few pros he is a sack or Serbian shit

Clients go to Milos, not the other way around. When they go to Milos for help, they want to be the next Ronnie Coleman regardless what it takes. Most likely, due to the short results got (due to genetic limitations), clients probably double the dose prescribed by Milos or whoever coach them.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Randomum on May 27, 2024, 02:24:17 AM
Has anyone confirmed cause of death? For all we know it was a car accident. I do think some of these guys that do pass from roid use are sad. If this guy passed from that you could tell structurally that he would not have a successful career early on, why not just go for the ripped natty look. Not worth it.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 27, 2024, 02:36:17 AM
Milo’s has killed quite a few pros he is a sack or Serbian shit
I'm sure Milos is a good boy and dindu nuffin  ::)

Everyone says Milos is very conservative with drugs. People talk about the dreaded insulin, but realistically, what contribution does insulin have on these deaths? Milos' pro programs have as much as 100iu of insulin in them, but otoh many pros are on 200-300 units without him. The steroids doses are very conservative compared to what many of these guys do. Let's say he recommends 1500 or 2000mg, compare to what pros actually do, say 5-7 or even 10 grams. Standard is at least 4000mg on the Olympia stage. So I very much doubt Milos drastically ramps up anyone's PED program, probably the opposite like I said. But he can't stop the athletes from doing a ton of roids so my guess is he doesn't even try. Only "drastic" thing he does is prescribing 25iu of insulin IV both before and after training but it's still less than what many are accustomed to doing. So how is Milos killing these guys?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: falco on May 27, 2024, 02:44:39 AM
Everyone says Milos is very conservative with drugs. People talk about the dreaded insulin, but realistically, what contribution does insulin have on these deaths? Milos' pro programs have as much as 100iu of insulin in them, but otoh many pros are on 200-300 units without him. The steroids doses are very conservative compared to what many of these guys do. Let's say he recommends 1500 or 2000mg, compare to what pros actually do, say 5-7 or even 10 grams. Standard is at least 4000mg on the Olympia stage. So I very much doubt Milos drastically ramps up anyone's PED program, probably the opposite like I said. But he can't stop the athletes from doing a ton of roids so my guess is he doesn't even try. Only "drastic" thing he does is prescribing 25iu of insulin IV both before and after training but it's still less than what many are accustomed to doing. So how is Milos killing these guys?

Blaming the coach is the art form of declining self accountability. It's pretty common in professional soccer also.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 27, 2024, 03:02:11 AM
Blaming the coach is the art form of declining self accountability. It's pretty comon in professional soccer also.

Yes. But many aren't even informed on what these coaches actually do, what pros generally do, and so on.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Kwon on May 27, 2024, 03:51:58 AM
Milos kills them all?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: _bruce_ on May 27, 2024, 04:00:27 AM
Milos was probably trying to get him to lower his doses. I mean this seriously. But he will be blamed anyway...

He seems to have a bad reputation.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Taffin on May 27, 2024, 04:45:41 AM
Has anyone confirmed cause of death? For all we know it was a car accident. I do think some of these guys that do pass from roid use are sad. If this guy passed from that you could tell structurally that he would not have a successful career early on, why not just go for the ripped natty look. Not worth it.

OK, so there's a sequence of 'bad luck' that went roughly like this - I stand to be corrected as this was translated from German

2021 - COVID
2022 - Extreme bronchitis
2023 - Attacked by a dog (type unspecified but apparently badly bitten)
2024 - Died suddenly

Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: GymnJuice on May 27, 2024, 06:11:54 AM
Everyone says Milos is very conservative with drugs. People talk about the dreaded insulin, but realistically, what contribution does insulin have on these deaths? Milos' pro programs have as much as 100iu of insulin in them, but otoh many pros are on 200-300 units without him. The steroids doses are very conservative compared to what many of these guys do. Let's say he recommends 1500 or 2000mg, compare to what pros actually do, say 5-7 or even 10 grams. Standard is at least 4000mg on the Olympia stage. So I very much doubt Milos drastically ramps up anyone's PED program, probably the opposite like I said. But he can't stop the athletes from doing a ton of roids so my guess is he doesn't even try. Only "drastic" thing he does is prescribing 25iu of insulin IV both before and after training but it's still less than what many are accustomed to doing. So how is Milos killing these guys?

There is a strong connection between diabetes and heart disease. That isn't exactly the same thing as using insulin when you don't have diabetes, but I am convinced there is a relationship between the two. It isn't something I could show to you through studies because they wouldn't do good studies on people who take insulin when they don't already have diabetes.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: BayGBM on May 27, 2024, 06:12:10 AM
If you want to lose somebody tell him the truth.

x2.   :'(
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: Ron on May 27, 2024, 06:21:15 AM
From Kevin's Instagram on April 23....  speculation that there may have been complications that we do not know... not all pictures are here - they are on his Instagram

Wahr haben kann ich es noch nicht so wirklich ! Nichtsdestotrotz danke an Herrn Dr. Julian Mehl für die schnelle Hilfe und perfekte Operation. Wohlmöglich der beste in ganz Deutschland , wenn es um das Knie/Beinbereich geht .

Bild 1: im Krankenhaus
Bild 2: Abgerissene Sehne
Bild 3: Nachdem die Sehne mit reißfesten Fäden angeschlagnen wurde
Bild 4: Nach Fixierung am Knochen
Bild 5: Wunde 48 std nach der OP

------------------

I can't really believe it yet! Nevertheless, thanks to Dr. Julian Mehl for the quick help and perfect operation. Possibly the best in all of Germany when it comes to the knee/leg area.

Picture 1: in the hospital
Picture 2: Torn tendon
Picture 3: After the tendon was attached with tear-resistant threads
Picture 4: After fixation to the bone
Picture 5: Wound 48 hours after the operation


https://www.instagram.com/kevingebhardt_
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Lartinos on May 27, 2024, 06:24:16 AM
OK, so there's a sequence of 'bad luck' that went roughly like this - I stand to be corrected as this was translated from German

2021 - COVID
2022 - Extreme bronchitis
2023 - Attacked by a dog (type unspecified but apparently badly bitten)
2024 - Died suddenly

Are you saying he took the Jab?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: affeman on May 27, 2024, 07:06:18 AM
Strange that Milos hasn't posted anything - the last RIP post from him was about Luke Wood 3 days ago

#widowmaker

 ???
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Taffin on May 27, 2024, 07:07:19 AM
Are you saying he took the Jab?

Not seeing that anywhere yet
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Taffin on May 27, 2024, 07:12:52 AM
???

I posted my comment at 16:51PM UK time yesterday on the 26th, Milos posted his around 03:00AM UK time today

But then you knew that already as you would have seen 'posted 12 hours ago' right there in the comment section

Not much going on for you today Milos?  :-*
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: affeman on May 27, 2024, 07:13:41 AM
OK, so there's a sequence of 'bad luck' that went roughly like this - I stand to be corrected as this was translated from German

2021 - COVID
2022 - Extreme bronchitis
2023 - Attacked by a dog (type unspecified but apparently badly bitten)
2024 - Died suddenly

Bitten by a dog? He got run over by a dog a couple of weeks ago and tore his hamstring, that's why he had surgery like a month ago. But I doubt that hamstring tear was lethal...

Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Taffin on May 27, 2024, 07:19:49 AM
Bitten by a dog? He got run over by a dog a couple of weeks ago and tore his hamstring, that's why he had surgery like a month ago. But I doubt that hamstring tear was lethal...

You're right - it was a Google translate error on my part - it was late and I was lazy - I beg your forgiveness

Zuletzt erhielt der 31-Jährige einige Aufmerksamkeit, als es zu einem Unfall mit einem fremden Hund kam. Dabei riss der Athlet sich den Beinbizeps, was mögliche Wettkampfpläne erst einmal in weite Ferne geraten ließ.

The 31-year-old recently received some attention when there was an accident with a strange dog. The athlete tore his hamstring, which made any plans for competition a long way off.




Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: affeman on May 27, 2024, 07:22:47 AM
Bitten by a dog? He got run over by a dog a couple of weeks ago and tore his hamstring, that's why he had surgery like a month ago. But I doubt that hamstring tear was lethal...



He says in the video that he just got a new "Peptide sponsor" and is using super-high dosages of their "healing peptides" at the moment.

I'm very suspicious of that entire f*ing Peptide-crap as well. Who the hell knows what's really in there... ::)
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: joswift on May 27, 2024, 08:50:50 AM
In the 90s it was a huge shocker when Munzer died in his early 30s and people were talking about it for decades.

These days every month even younger BB die and no one seems to even care because in 2 weeks it's forgotten anyway in these fast-moving times, it's insane

To be fair no one really cared when Muntzer died
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: Taffin on May 27, 2024, 09:21:47 AM
Reading that post from Milos again, it kind of smacks of him distancing himself from this:

milossarcev

We have lost another brother of iron, way too early. 😔😞 Last night I was informed that my former athlete @kevingebhardt_ was found dead in his apartment in Germany. I knew Kevin since 2018, his amateur days…Helped him win the Pro card (same year) and guided him ON and OFF for several pro shows. He made the trip to Las Vegas to finally train with me - exactly a year ago…after training with @thedorianyates in Spain as well. He was planning to compete in Alicante and Portugal shows last year, but upon returning home he decided not to compete that year. That was the last time I heard from him. Sincere condolences to his family and loved ones. He was a super sweet person, super passionate about bodybuilding and very hard worker. I am devastated with the news and very sad for his girlfriend and his family. May he rest in peace. 🙏🏻❤️
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 27, 2024, 11:25:00 AM
Reading that post from Milos again, it kind of smacks of him distancing himself from this:
I noticed that as well. Oddly calculated post.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Dave D on May 27, 2024, 01:28:14 PM
Everyone says Milos is very conservative with drugs. People talk about the dreaded insulin, but realistically, what contribution does insulin have on these deaths? Milos' pro programs have as much as 100iu of insulin in them, but otoh many pros are on 200-300 units without him. The steroids doses are very conservative compared to what many of these guys do. Let's say he recommends 1500 or 2000mg, compare to what pros actually do, say 5-7 or even 10 grams. Standard is at least 4000mg on the Olympia stage. So I very much doubt Milos drastically ramps up anyone's PED program, probably the opposite like I said. But he can't stop the athletes from doing a ton of roids so my guess is he doesn't even try. Only "drastic" thing he does is prescribing 25iu of insulin IV both before and after training but it's still less than what many are accustomed to doing. So how is Milos killing these guys?

I think once a guru has multiple deaths over several decades under their stewardship people tend to be skeptical of their protocols.

The same cloud follows Shelby Starnes.

Besides Greg Kovac, who died under Chad Nichols mentoring?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: balzac on May 27, 2024, 02:28:49 PM
Milos was his coach?

Let me guess, kidney failure.

allegedly multiple organ failure, had kidney problems he knew about...  :-\

i fear for his health... they never learn

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4a/29/cf/4a29cf06880fe6b036f2c940bdc0018a.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: a_pupil on May 27, 2024, 04:16:25 PM
allegedly multiple organ failure, had kidney problems he knew about...  :-\

i fear for his health... they never learn

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4a/29/cf/4a29cf06880fe6b036f2c940bdc0018a.jpg)

Just the fact that he had asthma or whatever + his gut blowing out so early in his "career" should have been enough for people to tell him that he wasn't built for the game.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Stephano on May 27, 2024, 04:57:07 PM
Just the fact that he had asthma or whatever + his gut blowing out so early in his "career" should have been enough for people to tell him that he wasn't built for the game.

The game = Take copious amounts of drugs, temporarily inflate oneself like a bullfrog or pigeon, prance about in a thong on stage for a live audience of male homosexuals, come down with heart/kidney/liver/nerve damage, lose 100% of the muscles and/or die.

Some fucking game! 
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: IroNat on May 27, 2024, 05:02:05 PM
The game = Take copious amounts of drugs, temporarily inflate oneself like a bullfrog or pigeon, prance about in a thong on stage for a live audience of male homosexuals, come down with heart/kidney/liver/nerve damage, lose 100% of the muscles and/or die.

Some fucking game! 


You make it sound like a bad thing.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 27, 2024, 05:16:56 PM
I think once a guru has multiple deaths over several decades under their stewardship people tend to be skeptical of their protocols.

The same cloud follows Shelby Starnes.

Besides Greg Kovac, who died under Chad Nichols mentoring?

Chad prepped most of the top guys in bb at one point or another. Many, many deaths. Shawn calls him Dr Kevorkian. Nasser died,  Ronnie is destroyed. Numerous kidney failures among his clients, if I'm not mistaken he prepped Wheeler too? Tom Prince. Dallas McCarver. That Masters Mr O competitor who died. Had people drink crisco oil. Use that cancer drug for appetite, Megestrol. Tons of GH and igf-1.
Enormous quantities of food and wildly yoyoing bodyweights.

I've seen protocols from all these gurus and Milos' plans seem the mildest.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: a_pupil on May 27, 2024, 05:21:24 PM
Chad prepped most of the top guys in bb at one point or another. Nasser died,  Ronnie is destroyed. Numerous kidney failures among his clients, if I'm not mistaken he prepped Wheeler too? Tom Prince. Dallas McCarver. Don Long I think? Had people drink crisco oil. Use that cancer drug for appetite, Megestrol. Tons of GH and igf-1.
Enormous quantities of food and yoyoing bodyweights.

I've seen protocols from all these gurus and Milos' plans seem the mildest.

I don't think Milos or the proper gurus of death should be blamed IMO.

All of their clients are consenting adults who should be researching what they're putting in their bodies and should know when their bodies are giving stress signals.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 27, 2024, 05:25:49 PM
There is a strong connection between diabetes and heart disease. That isn't exactly the same thing as using insulin when you don't have diabetes, but I am convinced there is a relationship between the two. It isn't something I could show to you through studies because they wouldn't do good studies on people who take insulin when they don't already have diabetes.

Yes I know.

Question is if insulin can actually be protective in a lot of cases though. You want lowish blood sugar instead of the opposite. Sugar kills diabetics' organs, including kidneys.

High insulin itself probably isn't healthy, over time, but in the context of modern bodybuilding it might be the most innocuous thing they take. JMO  8)
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 27, 2024, 05:30:43 PM
I don't think Milos or the proper gurus of death should be blamed IMO.

All of their clients are consenting adults who should be researching what they're putting in their bodies and should know when their bodies are giving stress signals.

Yes and people miss that the clients frequently do not listen to the PED advice in particular. If a top competitor is used to doing 4-5  grams he isn't likely dropping it to half that, no matter what the guru says.
I think Chad said he dropped McCarvers doses by half (something like that) but that he likely didn't listen. He gave the example of EPO which he had told him to drop, but likely didn't.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: GymnJuice on May 27, 2024, 05:57:04 PM
Yes I know.

Question is if insulin can actually be protective in a lot of cases though. You want lowish blood sugar instead of the opposite. Sugar kills diabetics' organs, including kidneys.

High insulin itself probably isn't healthy, over time, but in the context of modern bodybuilding it might be the most innocuous thing they take. JMO  8)

I agree with you. And as you already know a lot of the research looks at correlations and not causation. So, part of the health benefit of the low blood sugars may be from people eating low glycemic index foods, or smaller meals, or a higher metabolism through consistent exercise, or some other factor, rather than the blood sugar number itself.

It is an interesting question though. If someone wasn't a diabetic and took insulin to keep their sugars in the 70s-80s would they be healthier than someone who didn't take insulin and kept their sugars in the 90s, all other factors being equal. I think it would hurt rather than help by making a resistance to the insulin, but I admit that I don't know.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Dave D on May 27, 2024, 06:25:14 PM
Chad prepped most of the top guys in bb at one point or another. Many, many deaths. Shawn calls him Dr Kevorkian. Nasser died,  Ronnie is destroyed. Numerous kidney failures among his clients, if I'm not mistaken he prepped Wheeler too? Tom Prince. Dallas McCarver. That Masters Mr O competitor who died. Had people drink crisco oil. Use that cancer drug for appetite, Megestrol. Tons of GH and igf-1.
Enormous quantities of food and wildly yoyoing bodyweights.

I've seen protocols from all these gurus and Milos' plans seem the mildest.

I knew you’d know.

I forgot that Nasser died, I attributed that to a botched surgery but I’m sure the surgery was a result of”protocols”. Milos seems to be more closely related to guys he’s worked with passing while under his care, I remember Luke Wood defending him on this site saying that was not true, and how disrespectful Getbig was towards Milos.

Ultimately these are grown men making decisions and they are responsible for their actions.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 27, 2024, 10:57:17 PM
I think once a guru has multiple deaths over several decades under their stewardship people tend to be skeptical of their protocols.

The same cloud follows Shelby Starnes.

Besides Greg Kovac, who died under Chad Nichols mentoring?

Bodybuilders are indoctrinated since their early teenage years to "getbig or die trying...and leave a huge fucking coffin". They laugh at the prospect of early death, at least at times where it seems far away. Then when the reaper knocks at the door, even the biggest and baddest fold like a house of cards, and may even go off and turn to the allmighty. Some with more success and luck than others.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 27, 2024, 11:09:45 PM
It makes one wonder if there were any warnings or did he really die unexpectedly? I remember Dallas McCarver had several incidents which should have been rude awakenings. But he chose to completely ignore them. Mental illness of peace.



Notice that the crowd was clapping as he was carried away facing certain death. Sick.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 28, 2024, 01:22:20 AM
I agree with you. And as you already know a lot of the research looks at correlations and not causation. So, part of the health benefit of the low blood sugars may be from people eating low glycemic index foods, or smaller meals, or a higher metabolism through consistent exercise, or some other factor, rather than the blood sugar number itself.

It is an interesting question though. If someone wasn't a diabetic and took insulin to keep their sugars in the 70s-80s would they be healthier than someone who didn't take insulin and kept their sugars in the 90s, all other factors being equal. I think it would hurt rather than help by making a resistance to the insulin, but I admit that I don't know.

Diabetics don't require more and more insulin. Anecdotally some bodybuilders say they have used insulin daily for 20 years but have excellent insulin sensitivity. But this is with fast acting insulin mostly. I think the Lantus probably causes resistance especially when taken at supraphysiological doses. Where insulin may help bodybuilders is when they take GH, which is all of them, which then causes resistance. But with added insulin their sugars don't get over the limits. Of course it doesn't fix the underlying resistance, and more insulin means more resistance. But shorter term it may save the organs.

I agree, for a healthy adult insulin most likely doesn't help. But interestingly some docs advocate putting type II diabetics on insulin immediately instead of waiting for metformin etc to start working. This would presumably save their organds, and in particular their pancreas. If they then lose a lot of fat they can get off the insulin.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: kreator on May 28, 2024, 01:45:41 AM
There's a reason why bodybuilders are considered meatheads by the general public. I respect the guys who know when it's time to quit, never look back and find something else less damaging in life to focus on
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Van_Bilderass on May 28, 2024, 02:07:36 AM
I knew you’d know.

I forgot that Nasser died, I attributed that to a botched surgery but I’m sure the surgery was a result of”protocols”. Milos seems to be more closely related to guys he’s worked with passing while under his care, I remember Luke Wood defending him on this site saying that was not true, and how disrespectful Getbig was towards Milos.

Ultimately these are grown men making decisions and they are responsible for their actions.

I think Luke Wood didn't do Milos' PED plan, he was absolutely monstrous  ;D Then he also had that thyroid scare where he lost like 30lbs (?) while eating junk food in large quantities at the time, which he blamed on overdosed T3 bought in Thailand, which is actually very plausible.

Didn't Nasser have these hematoma like infections throughout his back? Unlikely to be because of a "bad PED stack," per se, maybe bad gear or Synthol?

It makes one wonder if there were any warnings or did he really die unexpectedly? I remember Dallas McCarver had several incidents which should have been rude awakenings. But he chose to completely ignore them. Mental illness of peace.



Notice that the crowd was clapping as he was carried away facing certain death. Sick.

Maybe he ignored it or it was "misdiagnosed." Competitors pass out at all levels due to dehydration, and all competitors are dehydrated almost as a rule. But of course just looking at him you knew he didn't have a normal sized heart or any organ. Milos said all bodybuilders have big organs, like the liver for example.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: falco on May 28, 2024, 02:57:18 AM
Just the fact that he had asthma or whatever + his gut blowing out so early in his "career" should have been enough for people to tell him that he wasn't built for the game.

Ok. But would he listen?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: BayGBM on May 28, 2024, 06:16:53 AM
The game = Take copious amounts of drugs, temporarily inflate oneself like a bullfrog or pigeon, prance about in a thong on stage for a live audience of male homosexuals, come down with heart/kidney/liver/nerve damage, lose 100% of the muscles and/or die.

Some fucking game!

It is what it is.  ::)
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: joswift on May 28, 2024, 06:21:06 AM


Is that the stupid little bastard Cisterno pretending to help by hanging onto everyone?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: falco on May 28, 2024, 06:56:08 AM


Is that the stupid little bastard Cisterno pretending to help by hanging onto everyone?

He wanted so much to be part of the first callout. This was his opportunity.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 28, 2024, 08:27:47 AM
Maybe he ignored it or it was "misdiagnosed." Competitors pass out at all levels due to dehydration, and all competitors are dehydrated almost as a rule. But of course just looking at him you knew he didn't have a normal sized heart or any organ. Milos said all bodybuilders have big organs, like the liver for example.
I recall that Shawn Ray diagnosed his early death 6 months in advance. I will look into it and see if I can find it.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: falco on May 28, 2024, 08:33:52 AM
I recall that Shawn Ray diagnosed his early death 6 months in advance. I will look into it and see if I can find it.

Shawn Ray died?
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 28, 2024, 08:43:47 AM
Shawn Ray died?
Didn't check but I think Shawn predicted the death of Dallas.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: joswift on May 28, 2024, 09:29:31 AM
Shawn Ray died?

not sure if the 6 months have passed since his prediction.
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: balzac on May 28, 2024, 01:58:07 PM
Just the fact that he had asthma or whatever + his gut blowing out so early in his "career" should have been enough for people to tell him that he wasn't built for the game.

Ok. But would he listen?

no he wouldnt, you find plenty comments under his youtube videos that he wouldnt make it far and should hang it up, well he laught it off, like what they know etc...

2 years ago, there is a video with him and roland cziurlok, and roland told him to add more & more beef on his frame to be competitive the next 10 years...

its not the best genetics who wins, but the one who works the hardest... oh well

mental illness

Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 28, 2024, 02:50:04 PM
not sure if the 6 months have passed since his prediction.
I'm now doubting if he actually did predict it. Can you recall it precisely? Around the 13:45 mark in this video it is vaguely discussed.

Mar 24, 2017  Ronline Report with MD Online Editor Ron Harris
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: stavios on May 28, 2024, 05:36:23 PM
He wanted so much to be part of the first callout. This was his opportunity.

Lmfao that's brilliant
Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt
Post by: Brenda Steunbeer on June 11, 2024, 09:15:55 AM
The game = Take copious amounts of drugs, temporarily inflate oneself like a bullfrog or pigeon, prance about in a thong on stage for a live audience of male homosexuals, come down with heart/kidney/liver/nerve damage, lose 100% of the muscles and/or die.

Some fucking game!


But he did get mentioned by Germany's biggest newspaper  :-)

https://www.bild.de/regional/nordrhein-westfalen/rw-profi-bodybuilder-31-tot-in-wohnung-gefunden-6656ce0c03e56656bc594d5c

Mostly the only time MSM pay attention to the drug cult called "pro" bodybuilding is when one of them dies young.





Title: Re: RIP Kevin Gebhardt - IFBB Pro Bodybuilder - Age 31
Post by: affeman on June 11, 2024, 11:01:17 AM
2 years ago he made a video that Cedric's death is quite a shocker and gives food for thought :-\