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This is true. It's no secret I have a no homo fondness towards him. Watch this video and you'll see why.
Just figuring out keto and reloading glycogen are impressive. Add in all he's done in training it's insane.
He's what Joe Weider pretended to be. Vince Gironda is the trainer of champions.
When I train, I only train using his exercises, form, tempo etc.
I was a believer after I adopted his guillotine press for my chest, and now I have am upper chest. This was 5 years ago.
I train with less weight, and get more results. His version of seated row has done wonders for my back. I've mentioned sissy squats in another thread.
He should be respected and celebrated more. What I like about him is he kept it natural. I respect that.
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Great video! Thanks for sharing
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He had some great books full of the best bodybuilding systems and exercises on the planet.
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Vince was one of a kind. His steak & egg diet, his smart supplement use (protein and liver) his training.
The so called "guru's" of today are a joke in comparison. (They just "gas up" and stuff their face).
I have his books and training booklets in tubs out in my shed...
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I used to be a Gironda fanatic..........he was way ahead of his time.
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He had some great books full of the best bodybuilding systems and exercises on the planet.
some of his exercises were good but some just ::)
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I mean it is 2024 now we have learned a lot since then and all the guys he trained to the Olympia certainly didn't keep it natural
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this is an example, what will this do that a pullover wonīt or a full range dip?
Or a serratus crunch standing using a cable ?
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some of his exercises were good but some just ::)
Which ones don't you like?
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His way of doing dips (feet in front of you/head to chest) is genius! It's the only way dips work for me.
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I used to be into Gironda (NH) but all of his "Star pupils" used drugs, what a supreme hypocrite. I don't think Vince used, but something tells me amphetamines helped him to get super cut when he did. Bottom line, If you don't have the genetics, you can't get them (without drugs).
Assuming Carl Weathers didn't take steroids, he should be Vince's poster child. But that's a big if.
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this is an example, what will this do that a pullover wonīt or a full range dip?
Or a serratus crunch standing using a cable ?
You can probably load that dip heavier than pullovers.
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You can probably load that dip heavier than pullovers.
do you think the Serratus muscle needs a heavy load ?
however i will say youīve a point because a shorter range of motion can be useful as i wrote on another thread.
The Serratus is in my opinion a "short range crunching muscle"
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His way of doing dips (feet in front of you/head to chest) is genius! It's the only way dips work for me.
His dips were one of the few Gironda exercises I liked but it is hard to find the V bar setup he specified.
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I used to be into Gironda (NH) but all of his "Star pupils" used drugs, what a supreme hypocrite. I don't think Vince used, but something tells me amphetamines helped him to get super cut when he did. Bottom line, If you don't have the genetics, you can't get them (without drugs).
Assuming Carl Weathers didn't take steroids, he should be Vince's poster child. But that's a big if.
I doubt that needed amphetamines to get cut. He wasn't very big even during his off season and that steak and egg diet will get you really lean.
He gets credit for turning Larry Scott from a scrawny nerd to Mr. Olympia although drugs were used for that. Mohamed Makkawy might be the most underrated bodybuilder ever.
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I seriously doubt Vince was clean when his standby photo was taken, he was probably like me, did a few short cycles and decided steroids were for losers...
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I doubt that needed amphetamines to get cut. He wasn't very big even during his off season and that steak and egg diet will get you really lean.
He gets credit for turning Larry Scott from a scrawny nerd to Mr. Olympia although drugs were used for that. Mohamed Makkawy might be the most underrated bodybuilder ever.
I remember in one telephone conversation i had with Bob Kennedy I asked him why Vince was such an asshole..he said he was bitter because he never won anything.
That was his opinion & he knew Vince better than most did.
as to steak & eggs getting you muscular & super ripped..cīmon man.
Vince trained some superstars thatīs true but donīt you think they never knew about drugs? get cut fast for a film shoot...or was it maybe Vinceīs programme?... ;D
He trained for example Kay Baxter who for that time was very big
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Kay Baxter was strong as hell for a woman at that time too
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I remember a poster who used to be on here "Rip it up Baby" who reminded me of Kay Baxter
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Vince though you could train your quads in a way that they didn't flare at all, just went straight up and down. Of course that's all genetics, he looked at his legs and attributed it to his exercises. He also thought the ass should be flat, but again, genetics. Lots of goofy ideas like that.
I wonder if anyone could do his bulking diet. IIRC it was 36 raw eggs mixed in heavy cream, a couple of pounds of meat, and hudreds of liver pills, gladular testicle extracts lol. The irony is that if the testicle extracts worked they would work through "drug" mechanisms, compare to desiccated thyroid extract which are still in use.
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This guy was way ahead of his time and most of his theories have proven true. I like the fact that Vince was always saying, try this or try that. It was all about finding what works for you, and forgetting the rest. The guys in gym today mostly look like dogballs trying to lift heavyweights all the time. I see a lot of bulking, big guts, and high blood pressure. Vince was about getting in sufficient volume, using weights as a tool, maintaining a good growth pattern without over stressing the body. Asshole or not, I would have loved to train under him. He was shutting down as I was graduating high school and ready to make the trip.
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I mean it is 2024 now we have learned a lot since then
What have we learned about natural training since the 60s and 70s? Even the enhanced competitors I see at shows look worse than ever. It's all about big ugly muscle these days.
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I wonder what happened to all the equipment in the gym? Hate to think it was junked. So many actors trained there. Like Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, Robert Blake and Carl Weathers. I'm sure there are more that I don't know about.
From what I heard he taught sets should be done with under 30 seconds of rest and sometimes 15 seconds. No heavy weights needed.
So many great bodybuilders trained there like Rick Wayne, Arnold (for a short period), Don Howorth, Makkawy and others.
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I wonder what happened to all the equipment in the gym? Hate to think it was junked. So many actors trained there. Like Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, Robert Blake and Carl Weathers. I'm sure there are more that I don't know about.
From what I heard he taught sets should be done with under 30 seconds of rest and sometimes 15 seconds. No heavy weights needed.
So many great bodybuilders trained there like Rick Wayne, Arnold (for a short period), Don Howorth, Makkawy and others.
I've been using his 8x8 with 30 sec. Rest between sets. The weight is not heavy. I've been having insane pumps and great workouts.
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I remember in one telephone conversation i had with Bob Kennedy I asked him why Vince was such an asshole..he said he was bitter because he never won anything.
That was his opinion & he knew Vince better than most did.
as to steak & eggs getting you muscular & super ripped..cīmon man.
Vince trained some superstars thatīs true but donīt you think they never knew about drugs? get cut fast for a film shoot...or was it maybe Vinceīs programme?... ;D
He trained for example Kay Baxter who for that time was very big
Maybe he was bitter about not winning contests. So what? His training and diet recommendations work well. Hollywood stars may use short cycles to get in shape quick but they still chose Vince to train them.
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The Gironda dip was very good, I should start doing those again.
Don't agree with his leg training ideas though, if anyone barbell squatted in his gym they were kicked out!
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Reading this thread is interesting because as I've said to others so many times, there are so many so-called "trainers," but nobody talks about them 2 days after they leave the industry or die. Basically, they bring nothing to the table.
But Vince died in 1997 and people still talk about him. In the 1980s, I read everything I could that Gironda wrote and then I went to his gym and trained with him for 3 days. I learned more in those 3 days about training than from any other individual person in my life. In the early 2000s, I made a couple DVDs that sold well that showed Gironda's exercises. I also coached people successfully to national bodybuilding, fitness, and figure wins.
In a nutshell, his techniques work well, but are often greatly misunderstood. No set-and-rep scheme is magic. They are simply effective and get a result. But you have to dive in, switch them up, etc., to make long-term results. You don't get on 8x8, for example, and think that you're going to win Mr. Olympia, which is what some think.
Also, what he did understand well was how to stimulate muscle for great in terms of how much work to do. And also how often to train not just weekly, but over months. His 3 weeks on, 1 week off, for example, is brilliant. Training the same muscle 2 or 3 times a day also works -- for a period.
As far as bodybuilding trainers go, this thread is correct -- he was the GOAT.
DAS
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BTW, for those who want to know what had happened to his equipment, originally a lot of it was sold to a Hollywood agent who knew Vince, for very little money. He set it up in a personal gym -- those are a lot of the pictures that get shown. Over time, that was sold off to individuals. A person named Daryl Conant, who owns a gym in Maine, got a bit of it, including the sign, and keeps it in good shape.
DAS
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BTW, for those who want to know what had happened to his equipment, originally a lot of it was sold to a Hollywood agent who knew Vince, for very little money. He set it up in a personal gym -- those are a lot of the pictures that get shown. Over time, that was sold off to individuals. A person named Daryl Conant, who owns a gym in Maine, got a bit of it, including the sign, and keeps it in good shape.
DAS
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I've been using his 8x8 with 30 sec. Rest between sets. The weight is not heavy. I've been having insane pumps and great workouts.
Sounds great. Sometimes we get so caught up with weight used that we forget as bodybuilders you are there to work the muscle and to do tricks to use a heavy weight like using a short range of motion, long rests between sets and a quick rep cadence.
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I've been using his 8x8 with 30 sec. Rest between sets. The weight is not heavy. I've been having insane pumps and great workouts.
Muscles can't count ::)
Just workout Intense & hard. Simple
8x8 /10x6/ 5x5/ 10x27 / 1 x100 WTF go to the gym to train/lift
Not count it's not a Math lesson.
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Although your muscles can't count, your mind can and doing so is the way to "progress." That's a key that many forget -- in order to improve, you have to train a little harder each time. What does that mean? Could mean more reps in the same time. Could mean heavier weight with the same form. Could me same weight with stricter form. Could be a change same weight and form with less time between sets.
Basically, counting and training in a strategic way like this gives you a marker to improve against.
DAS
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Although your muscles can't count, your mind can and doing so is the way to "progress." That's a key that many forget -- in order to improve, you have to train a little harder each time. What does that mean? Could mean more reps in the same time. Could mean heavier weight with the same form. Could me same weight with stricter form. Could be a change same weight and form with less time between sets.
Basically, counting and training in a strategic way like this gives you a marker to improve against.
DAS
Not really
Imagine how hard you would have to be training after 4 days a week for 5 years to make gains
Go watch most pros train most have been training 10 years or more, they cruise through workouts.
If what you say is true they must have been doing fuck all for years
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Thanks for posting that - I used to do them the 'wrong' way by facing the other way round and rotating my palms outwards - maybe this was a Scott variation or something? Anyway the first couple of times were weird but then I really got into them - one of the few exercises that I recall ever really gave me DOMS right at the bottom line of the pecs
Haven't seen a v-bar setup for a while now though
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BTW, for those who want to know what had happened to his equipment, originally a lot of it was sold to a Hollywood agent who knew Vince, for very little money. He set it up in a personal gym -- those are a lot of the pictures that get shown. Over time, that was sold off to individuals. A person named Daryl Conant, who owns a gym in Maine, got a bit of it, including the sign, and keeps it in good shape.
DAS
https://www.youtube.com/@DarylConant/search?query=vince (https://www.youtube.com/@DarylConant/search?query=vince) .
That should link to Daryl's Vince stuff.
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Short tours of it.
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Although your muscles can't count, your mind can and doing so is the way to "progress." That's a key that many forget -- in order to improve, you have to train a little harder each time. What does that mean? Could mean more reps in the same time. Could mean heavier weight with the same form. Could me same weight with stricter form. Could be a change same weight and form with less time between sets.
Basically, counting and training in a strategic way like this gives you a marker to improve against.
DAS
"Training harder" is a bit off the mark but the gist of your post rings true.
You should train reasonably "hard" all the time. Then as you gain strength, increase the resistance and/or reps.
A beginner can train just as "hard" as an advanced person but the advanced is stronger and more muscular.
Progression is the key to gains unless you are a drug monkey.
There are many ways to do it.
The double progression method is a tried and true one.
https://legionathletics.com/double-progression/
Nowadays, drugs are so commonly used to quickly improve that people don't have the patience to slowly gain strength and muscle in the old ways.
If you are past the beginner stage you might increase your max bench press only 10-20lbs in a year training natty but 50-100 lbs or more using drugs.
Anyone taking d-bol sees their bench go up 50lbs in a couple weeks. This has removed the need to really know how to train in a sophisticated way to produce gains.
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Thanks for posting that - I used to do them the 'wrong' way by facing the other way round and rotating my palms outwards - maybe this was a Scott variation or something? Anyway the first couple of times were weird but then I really got into them - one of the few exercises that I recall ever really gave me DOMS right at the bottom line of the pecs
Haven't seen a v-bar setup for a while now though
Yes, that's a Larry Scott technique for dipping if you don't have a v-bar.
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Although your muscles can't count, your mind can and doing so is the way to "progress." That's a key that many forget -- in order to improve, you have to train a little harder each time. What does that mean? Could mean more reps in the same time. Could mean heavier weight with the same form. Could me same weight with stricter form. Could be a change same weight and form with less time between sets.
Basically, counting and training in a strategic way like this gives you a marker to improve against.
DAS
Nope - stop counting - go to math class & they'll have you lifting weights to improve ::)
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"Training harder" is a bit off the mark but the gist of your post rings true.
I agree that the "training harder" is vague, but that could take 500 words to explain better. But the gist is: try to improve upon last time.
DAS
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Not really
Imagine how hard you would have to be training after 4 days a week for 5 years to make gains
Go watch most pros train most have been training 10 years or more, they cruise through workouts.
If what you say is true they must have been doing fuck all for years
There are flaws with your arguments. First off, looking to the "pros" as a source of training advice/guidance/inspiration/etc. is nonsense. For decades now, the #1 determinant of size is drug quality and combinations. By far. Next comes nutrition, but for gaining size and definition -- in line with the massive drug consumption. Training is a distant third. In fact, any "reasonable" training system for someone using drugs will work. Of the three, it's the least important.
BTW, what I'm saying is proven once they drop the drugs -- they look like shadows of their former selves.
The other flaw comes with the idea of linear progression over time. If you look at someone training from a young age who is natural -- or at least natural up to a time -- once they are past their "growing teenage years" (i.e., when the body is simply naturally growing), they will hit pretty much their peak muscle size and strength in 3 years if they're following a good training and nutrition program.
So what I'm saying is look at the "top guys" who started training in their teenage years, usually by 21 or 22 they never get any bigger or, often, that much stronger. That's until the drugs come in. But even when the drugs are already in, there are limits. Take a look at Arnold in 1968 at the Universe, when he lost to Frank Zane. Neither Arnold nor Zane really good any bigger in the years that followed. They were able to look much better, but in terms of muscle size, that was it. Look at countless others after -- Columbo, Draper, etc. -- they maxed out size-wise early.
The difference you see today with bodybuilders a clear 50 or more pounds heavier than those guys has simply to do with more and different drugs.
DAS
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I agree that the "training harder" is vague, but that could take 500 words to explain better. But the gist is: try to improve upon last time.
DAS
Yes.
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Nope - stop counting - go to math class & they'll have you lifting weights to improve ::)
But eventually, you WILL be going to math class because when you, for example, lie down on the bench press, you'll say, "Ok, I benched this for 8 reps last time, today I'm going to try to get 9 or 10."
The point is that there is no magic in the numbers -- that's 100% true -- but there is magic in getting someone to use the numbers to achieve goals to improve. Otherwise, many people go to the gym, do this and that, then after weeks, months, or sometimes years, wonder, "Why haven't I improved?"
DAS
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"Training harder" is a bit off the mark but the gist of your post rings true.
You should train reasonably "hard" all the time. Then as you gain strength, increase the resistance and/or reps.
A beginner can train just as "hard" as an advanced person but the advanced is stronger and more muscular.
Progression is the key to gains unless you are a drug monkey.
There are many ways to do it.
The double progression method is a tried and true one.
https://legionathletics.com/double-progression/
Nowadays, drugs are so commonly used to quickly improve that people don't have the patience to slowly gain strength and muscle in the old ways.
If you are past the beginner stage you might increase your max bench press only 10-20lbs in a year training natty but 50-100 lbs or more using drugs.
Anyone taking d-bol sees their bench go up 50lbs in a couple weeks. This has removed the need to really know how to train in a sophisticated way to produce gains.
Pretty much nailed it IroNat.
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But eventually, you WILL be going to math class because when you, for example, lie down on the bench press, you'll say, "Ok, I benched this for 8 reps last time, today I'm going to try to get 9 or 10."
The point is that there is no magic in the numbers -- that's 100% true -- but there is magic in getting someone to use the numbers to achieve goals to improve. Otherwise, many people go to the gym, do this and that, then after weeks, months, or sometimes years, wonder, "Why haven't I improved?"
DAS
As long as you give your all each workout the numbers are totally irrelevant
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I remember in one telephone conversation i had with Bob Kennedy I asked him why Vince was such an asshole..he said he was bitter because he never won anything.
That was his opinion & he knew Vince better than most did.
Actually, that's a myth and I have the video evidence to prove it -- though it's logged on a digital tape in my archive and I don't even know if it will play back today.
But about 20 years ago I interviewed Bob Kennedy about Vince Gironda at the MuscleMag office. The first thing Kennedy did when he sat down was say something to the effect, "Just so you know, I didn't know Vince that well."
And the truth is, he didn't. He knew him as an acquaintance who, for a time, had the column in the magazine. But Vince actually stopped writing that column (probably out of boredom) and Kennedy had to have one of his writers fill it in. Even for "Unleashing the Wild Physique," Vince came up to Toronto to meet with him, but Kennedy told me he didn't have that much interest in the book and he (Kennedy) had to pull information out of him and put it all together.
That said, Vince himself wasn't a fraud -- I trained with him at his gym. It's just that a lot of the stuff in the magazines was made up.
DAS
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As long as you give your all each workout the numbers are totally irrelevant
Yes, true. But we're not really talking about the same thing and that's fine. There are different ways to achieve goals.
DAS
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Although your muscles can't count, your mind can and doing so is the way to "progress." That's a key that many forget -- in order to improve, you have to train a little harder each time. What does that mean? Could mean more reps in the same time. Could mean heavier weight with the same form. Could me same weight with stricter form. Could be a change same weight and form with less time between sets.
Basically, counting and training in a strategic way like this gives you a marker to improve against.
DAS
DAS do you have any more of those DVDs? I'd love to purchase one. Also could I private message you for any Vince related training, or nutrition-related questions?
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I'm not sure if I have any of those DVDs around, but the best one to actually get is from Robert Torres, who has a DVD that has Vince actually training. It was shot around the same time I was there. It's extremely useful.
As for advice, I don't do much of that because once I get on the topic of Vince, I could literally go on for hours and that is time-consuming. There's a lot more to what he did than just the set-and-rep schemes.
DAS
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What have we learned about natural training since the 60s and 70s? Even the enhanced competitors I see at shows look worse than ever. It's all about big ugly muscle these days.
Brutal if true
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"Training harder" is a bit off the mark but the gist of your post rings true.
You should train reasonably "hard" all the time. Then as you gain strength, increase the resistance and/or reps.
A beginner can train just as "hard" as an advanced person but the advanced is stronger and more muscular.
Progression is the key to gains unless you are a drug monkey.
There are many ways to do it.
The double progression method is a tried and true one.
https://legionathletics.com/double-progression/
Nowadays, drugs are so commonly used to quickly improve that people don't have the patience to slowly gain strength and muscle in the old ways.
If you are past the beginner stage you might increase your max bench press only 10-20lbs in a year training natty but 50-100 lbs or more using drugs.
Anyone taking d-bol sees their bench go up 50lbs in a couple weeks. This has removed the need to really know how to train in a sophisticated way to produce gains.
Yeah..even people like Larry Scott left Vinceīs Gym & some others who after leaving were in the Mr O.
Goldīs was the real Mecca for the Mr O or any other big contest. Drugs & Basic volume workouts nothing more.
People rant on about Vince Gironda "the Iron Guru" like he was a God but truth is after he lost his Gym he turned to Vodka.
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Gironda didn't lose his gym -- it remained open into the 1990s.
DAS
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Gironda didn't lose his gym -- it remained open into the 1990s.
DAS
OK i will say he "lost" his livelihood to more modern Gyms, times changed & Gironda went into depression & vodka (or so is told)
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It's true that Gold's Gym became the mecca of bodybuilding, then World Gym for a time. But Vince's Gym was, comparatively, a tiny place. It was never going to be some big place that could hold dozens of people at a time.
Also, it was in North Hollywood, close to Universal Studios. In the 1970s, it was quite the place for the movie/TV industries with guys like Erik Estrada being staples there. Vince also didn't care to follow the norm -- he just cared about having a gym and training people.
By all accounts, keeping a gym over for 50 years is better than what happens with most gyms. How long does the average "boutique" gym last -- 5 years, tops?
DAS
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It's true that Gold's Gym became the mecca of bodybuilding, then World Gym for a time. But Vince's Gym was, comparatively, a tiny place. It was never going to be some big place that could hold dozens of people at a time.
Also, it was in North Hollywood, close to Universal Studios. In the 1970s, it was quite the place for the movie/TV industries with guys like Erik Estrada being staples there. Vince also didn't care to follow the norm -- he just cared about having a gym and training people.
By all accounts, keeping a gym over for 50 years is better than what happens with most gyms. How long does the average "boutique" gym last -- 5 years, tops?
DAS
Yes & he went out of business, truth be be told he probably didnīt have what it takes to run a large Gym or multiple Gyms anyway.
Also where were all his big movie stars when he hit rock bottom?
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I guess you're just saying stuff? By the 1990s he was well into his 70s (he died in 1997, just shy of his 80th birthday). The place operated for 50 years. I suspect it was time to close up.
And, correct, he wasn't suited to run a chain of gyms -- that wasn't his thing. He had a gym -- Vince's Gym -- and that was it.
Remember, people are still talking about him today. He's been dead for almost 20 years. Who else are they talking about?
DAS
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I guess you're just saying stuff? By the 1990s he was well into his 70s (he died in 1997, just shy of his 80th birthday). The place operated for 50 years. I suspect it was time to close up.
And, correct, he wasn't suited to run a chain of gyms -- that wasn't his thing. He had a gym -- Vince's Gym -- and that was it.
Remember, people are still talking about him today. He's been dead for almost 20 years. Who else are they talking about?
DAS
donīt get so butt hurt because your "Iron Guru" wasnīt what you thought, sometimes itīs painful to find out they were mere mortals like you & me.
Hitler died in 1945 & people still talk about him...who cares?
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donīt get so butt hurt because your "Iron Guru" wasnīt what you thought, sometimes itīs painful to find out they were mere mortals like you & me.
Hitler died in 1945 & people still talk about him...who cares?
Butt hurt?!?! I don't even care. I commented for clarification.
But in terms of being butt hurt, you might want to take a good long look in the mirror. Is there perhaps envy that certain people in the industry still get talked about even long after their death, but some angry-at-the-world, lives-in-his-parent's-basement, misinformed troll on a bodybuilding forum with 15,000+ posts isn't even noticed in current day? Your envy and anger are obvious.
DAS
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Butt hurt?!?! I don't even care. I commented for clarification.
But in terms of being butt hurt, you might want to take a good long look in the mirror. Is there perhaps envy that certain people in the industry still get talked about even long after their death, but some angry-at-the-world, lives-in-his-parent's-basement, misinformed troll on a bodybuilding forum with 15,000+ posts isn't even noticed in current day? Your envy and anger are obvious.
DAS
OK i will phrase it so itīs easier for you...youīre upset.
Being polite :)
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OK i will phrase it so itīs easier for you...youīre upset.
Being polite :)
Ha! You missed the title of this thread -- Vince was "an asshole." In many ways, true. I experienced it firsthand -- but I easily tolerate assholes, at least if they have something relevant to say, which he did. 15,000+ posts that are irrelevant? That must hurt...
DAS
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Nowadays, with the popularity of training gurus and fitness influencers, if Gironda was around (and healthy), he might be really popular and make serious money with social media.
He wouldn't even need a gym.
Imagine Gironda having a Youtube channel and posting training and nutrition videos?
One thing I'm quite amazed about Gironda is how on target he was about many nutritional and health concepts, and this was back in the 1950s and 60s.
Gironda embraced the keto diet, had accurate views on cholesterol, etc.
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Ha! You missed the title of this thread -- Vince was "an asshole." In many ways, true. I experienced it firsthand -- but I easily tolerate assholes, at least if they have something relevant to say, which he did. 15,000+ posts that are irrelevant? That must hurt...
DAS
OK so he was an asshole who treated you like an asshole
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Nowadays, with the popularity of training gurus and fitness influencers, if Gironda was around (and healthy), he might be really popular and make serious money with social media.
He wouldn't even need a gym.
Imagine Gironda having a Youtube channel and posting training and nutrition videos?
Actually, Gironda recognized that before he died. The internet really took off in 1995. He died in 1997. I read an interview somewhere -- can't remember where right now -- where he was talking about the opportunity to get his courses out on the internet.
The thing that still astounds me is that Gironda's name is still brought up. As mentioned, I created some DVDs in the early 2000s to keep information alive. I figured it might trickle away. But to this day, his name is brought up over and over again -- along with his ideas.
So, yes, the internet would've been a good place for him.
DAS
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Nowadays, with the popularity of training gurus and fitness influencers, if Gironda was around (and healthy), he might be really popular and make serious money with social media.
He wouldn't even need a gym.
Imagine Gironda having a Youtube channel and posting training and nutrition videos?
One thing I'm quite amazed about Gironda is how on target he was about many nutritional and health concepts, and this was back in the 1950s and 60s.
Gironda embraced the keto diet, had accurate views on cholesterol, etc.
Thereīs actually a lot of people on youtube who trained with Vince or claimed to have ..even one here i watched from a German guy.
None are really popular amongst young gym goers.
Truth be told his exercises wouldnīt be showed in any Gyms.
No one cares about his V-Bar dips or press to neck
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Not just talking about Vince here because Weider was just the same, "Trainer of champions". His training principles..etc.
Bill pearl said to me just find out what works for you but if you want to press 300 Lbs you have to Bench simple as that.
he never once said buy my books or do what i say.
I am no fan of these so called "Gurus"
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He's been dead for almost 20 years. Who else are they talking about?
DAS
20 years? You said he died in 1997. This is 2024! Let's see: 2024-1997=27. What? Steroid's make you can't do math?? I'm playing with you. :-)
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20 years? You said he died in 1997. This is 2024! Let's see: 2024-1997=27. What? Steroid's make you can't do math?? I'm playing with you. :-)
Ha, true! It's been almost 30 years! Imagine that -- and people are still asking.
Doug
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I guess you're just saying stuff? By the 1990s he was well into his 70s (he died in 1997, just shy of his 80th birthday). The place operated for 50 years. I suspect it was time to close up.
And, correct, he wasn't suited to run a chain of gyms -- that wasn't his thing. He had a gym -- Vince's Gym -- and that was it.
Remember, people are still talking about him today. He's been dead for almost 20 years. Who else are they talking about?
DAS
Arnold and the 1980 Olympia, haha
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Arnold and the 1980 Olympia, haha
It's the contest that keeps on going and going.
Funny thing is, people don't talk about other controversial contests as much, though 1981 gets brought up.
But in 2001, Jay Cutler clearly, Clearly, CLEARLY beat Ronnie Coleman. I was in the sixth row, dead center. I even knew one of the judges really well who told me after prejudging that Coleman lost. But of course, the "finals" happened and someone the scores all got juggled around and Coleman came out on top.
These contests have rarely been fair.
DAS
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Actually, Gironda recognized that before he died. The internet really took off in 1995. He died in 1997. I read an interview somewhere -- can't remember where right now -- where he was talking about the opportunity to get his courses out on the internet.
The thing that still astounds me is that Gironda's name is still brought up. As mentioned, I created some DVDs in the early 2000s to keep information alive. I figured it might trickle away. But to this day, his name is brought up over and over again -- along with his ideas.
So, yes, the internet would've been a good place for him.
DAS
DVDS??
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DVDS??
Yes, those round shiny things. I had two commercially available DVDs with the exercises on them.
DAS
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Yes, those round shiny things. I had two commercially available DVDs with the exercises on them.
DAS
DVDs????
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DVDs????
Yes, this was over 20 years ago.
DAS
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Not sure if people nowadays would attempt this :-\
also i always read that Gironda didnīt approve of a thicker waist but believed in say his "Frog sit ups"
Indeed he always talked of a V-Taper but of course only Steve reeves really got what i would call a max Taper...but Gironda did develop great lats for his frame even if he did some weird stuff like "Racing Dive" pull ins.
On the abs i never agreed with his no sit ups policy either as i remember a guy i knew just did old school incline slant board sit ups, twisting (was in ī87) in the British army & we only had 1 universal machine)
he had outstanding abs & our diet wasnīt great either as we were on an operational tour so had to eat the food given.
Genetics determin your physique in most cases not exercises.
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Not sure if people nowadays would attempt this :-\
also i always read that Gironda didnīt approve of a thicker waist but believed in say his "Frog sit ups"
Indeed he always talked of a V-Taper but of course only Steve reeves really got what i would call a max Taper...but Gironda did develop great lats for his frame even if he did some weird stuff like "Racing Dive" pull ins.
On the abs i never agreed with his no sit ups policy either as i remember a guy i knew just did old school incline slant board sit ups, twisting (was in ī87) in the British army & we only had 1 universal machine)
he had outstanding abs & our diet wasnīt great either as we were on an operational tour so had to eat the food given.
Genetics determin your physique in most cases not exercises.
Gironda had tremendous taper, he had broad square shoulders on his slim frame.
Don Howorth had even better taper then mr everything.
I really think iron guru knew something about how to acquire great taper and helped many on that quest.
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I really think iron guru knew something about how to acquire great taper and helped many on that quest.
That hits the nail on the head. How you'll ultimately look will be governed mostly by genetics, but Gironda would get people thinking along the lines of shape and proportion. Most don't think about that -- then and now -- but he was basically about "looking good."
As I said in an earlier post, Zane never really got any bigger after the 1960s -- but he looked a lot better in the late 1970s. He was probably the epitome of concerning himself with shape and proportions.
DAS
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Yes & he went out of business, truth be be told he probably didnīt have what it takes to run a large Gym or multiple Gyms anyway.
Also where were all his big movie stars when he hit rock bottom?
Vince had no business sense but he could have kept going. He didn't turn to Vodka after, he always drank, and smoked a little as well. Two big things happened. His son Guy, a trainer at the gym got sick, and he was getting old. So he stopped caring. He's helped millions of guys in the world, myself included.
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Vince had no business sense but he could have kept going. He didn't turn to Vodka after, he always drank, and smoked a little as well. Two big things happened. His son Guy, a trainer at the gym got sick, and he was getting old. So he stopped caring. He's helped millions of guys in the world, myself included.
Hard to blame someone for getting old. People always said he had no business sense, but I understand he owned that building (till he was unwisely convinced to sell it) and he did run the place for 50 years. Most gyms don't last that long.
DAS
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That hits the nail on the head. How you'll ultimately look will be governed mostly by genetics, but Gironda would get people thinking along the lines of shape and proportion. Most don't think about that -- then and now -- but he was basically about "looking good."
As I said in an earlier post, Zane never really got any bigger after the 1960s -- but he looked a lot better in the late 1970s. He was probably the epitome of concerning himself with shape and proportions.
DAS
Much better strategy than permabulking.
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Vince had no business sense but he could have kept going. He didn't turn to Vodka after, he always drank, and smoked a little as well. Two big things happened. His son Guy, a trainer at the gym got sick, and he was getting old. So he stopped caring. He's helped millions of guys in the world, myself included.
OK then Bob Kennedy was a liar ::)
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OK then Bob Kennedy was a liar ::)
You can just read the desperation in your posts -- you really want to be heard and taken seriously. You appear to only have a vague knowledge of many things, though. However, you are nearing 20,000 posts here, so that's something.
If you want to find out about how MuscleMag operated back in the day, look up the lawsuits that went on regarding MuscleMag and MuscleTech and what was said in court records about truthfulness of what went on in its pages.
Also, maybe this is news to you -- but bodybuilding magazines aren't really "news coverage."
DAS
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You can just read the desperation in your posts -- you really want to be heard and taken seriously. You appear to only have a vague knowledge of many things, though. However, you are nearing 20,000 posts here, so that's something.
If you want to find out about how MuscleMag operated back in the day, look up the lawsuits that went on regarding MuscleMag and MuscleTech and what was said in court records about truthfulness of what went on in its pages.
Also, maybe this is news to you -- but bodybuilding magazines aren't really "news coverage."
DAS
Last reply to you as youīre obviously a Troll.
Bob Kennedy i spoke to twice & you should know if you trained (3 full days at Vinceīs Gym ) ::) that he & Vince were pretty close at least at one time.
Bob Kennedy came over as a very honest guy to me, why should anyone believe someone on getbig called "DAS"
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Last reply to you as youīre obviously a Troll.
Bob Kennedy i spoke to twice & you should know if you trained (3 full days at Vinceīs Gym ) ::) that he & Vince were pretty close at least at one time.
Bob Kennedy came over as a very honest guy to me, why should anyone believe someone on getbig called "DAS"
I don't know if you finished high school or your mother only lets you on the Internet at certain times, but like I said, do some research on the MuscleMag/MuscleTech lawsuits. Too difficult to use the search engines? Ok, let me help you... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/muscle-magazines-battle-in-court/article1024917/
And, yes, I have a 60-minute video interview with Kennedy telling me exactly that. It was to go into a third DVD that never got produced. I also have a John Balik video interview on Vince, too -- and he actually knew Vince much better. But I realize you might not even know who John Balik is -- but maybe you'll be able to work the search engines in your favor.
DAS
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Didn't Vince also have a barbershop/hair styling business above the gym?
Am I mistaken or is that right?
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Didn't Vince also have a barbershop/hair styling business above the gym?
Am I mistaken or is that right?
There was an "apartment" of sorts above the gym. Perhaps someone ran a hair thing out of there at some time, I don't know. One of the people who trained their regularly might know. I also know people lived there from time to time. When I visited, because of zoning issues, the toilet in the back of the gym in the change room was taken out because the wall positions had to be changed. So we had to use the toilet upstairs -- but no one was there at that time.
DAS
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There was an "apartment" of sorts above the gym. Perhaps someone ran a hair thing out of there at some time, I don't know. One of the people who trained their regularly might know. I also know people lived there from time to time. When I visited, because of zoning issues, the toilet in the back of the gym in the change room was taken out because the wall positions had to be changed. So we had to use the toilet upstairs -- but no one was there at that time.
DAS
I thought Vince had a hair biz too.
Seems like I saw a sign in an old photo of the gym.
I looked pics of the exterior and I am mistaken about it.
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Didn't Vince also have a barbershop/hair styling business above the gym?
Am I mistaken or is that right?
I wonder if Vince was against certain hair styles or hair cutting equpment a la`his disagreements on squats and flat bench presses. ;)
"Men shouldn't wear crew cuts because they look militaristic!" or "Number 3 guards in razors should be banned!"
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I wonder if Vince was against certain hair styles or hair cutting equpment a la`his disagreements on squats and flat bench presses. ;)
"Men shouldn't wear crew cuts because they look militaristic!" or "Number 3 guards in razors should be banned!"
Lol!
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Ha, true! It's been almost 30 years! Imagine that -- and people are still asking.
Doug
You know the "sport"'s in a good place when Gironda, 1980 olympia, and the golden era in general are more interesting topics than the current olympia competitors.
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You know the "sport"'s in a good place when Gironda, 1980 olympia, and the golden era in general are more interesting topics than the current olympia competitors.
:D Good point. Imagine the most interesting subjects sports media talked about was 1970's NFL.
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:D Good point. Imagine the most interesting subjects sports media talked about was 1970's NFL.
And the Basille equivalent rambling about measuring Wilt Chamberlain's cock in 1965 and being underwhelmed
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And the Basille equivalent rambling about measuring Wilt Chamberlain's cock in 1965 and being underwhelmed
Gironda wasn't smart enough to build a bicep supinator machine.