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Title: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 09:00:19 AM
Covered in the first 20 minutes

1 gram of test tren and mast and 700 primo and 50 winny and var and 40 halo

Brutal

They say 2-3 grams total is the ceiling and test should be 500 max and tren 200 max but the dose of mast and primo are ok

Also they say only running var is enough you don't need 3-4 hardemers

Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 17, 2024, 09:01:34 AM
Covered in the first 20 minutes

1 gram of test tren and mast and 700 primo and 50 winny and var and 40 halo

Brutal

They say 2-3 grams total is the ceiling and test should be 500 max and tren 200 max but the dose of mast and primo are ok

Also they say only running var is enough you don't need 3-4 hardemers



You can take 5grams a day if you don't eat you will not grow
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 09:38:54 AM
Second guy is classic BB on 350 test 1 gram of tren and 700 mast and 100 winny

They said test is fine tren way way too much 200 is cap and only use tren ace not tren e this fella was using both and he can jack the mast up to 1.5 grams the fill in for the gramage lost through reducing tren to 200

Also they gave a low end high end dose of var and set it at 10 minimumal 30 max

Once I finish the dbol I may add in var so very good news pour moi

I was going to run the var at 20 mgs but I can go with just 10 mgs thanks to the WORD from these 2 fellas also the fact that my main man vigorous Steve only runs 10 mgs of var

Less stress and strain on the body and less cash expended on the gears
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 17, 2024, 09:43:34 AM
Second guy is classic BB on 350 test 1 gram of tren and 700 mast and 50 winny

Next is the classic BB running 350 test and one gram of tren and 700 mast and 100 winny on the daily

They said test is fine tren way way too much 200 is cap and only use tren ace not tren e this fella was using both and he can jack the mast up to 1.5 grams the fill in for the gramage lost through reducing tren to 200

Also they gave a low end high end dose of var and set it at 10 minimumal 30 max

Once I finish the dbol I may add in var so very good news pour moi

I was going to run the var at 20 mgs but I can go with just 10 mgs thanks to the WORD from these 2 fellas also the fact that my main man vigorous Steve only runs 10 mgs of var

Less stress and strain on the body and less cash expended on the gears

Again everyone is different some people prefer and do better on different compounds than others. All the different compounds really do the same thing and it is just a matter of which ones cause water retention and estrogen issues or mental and which don't. Then yeah precontest they get their dosages up and get that hardened look using orals.

But there is no right or wrong dosage of any particular thing for anyone.

Beware of anyone who speaks in absolutes.

The biggest cost of bodybuilding is not gear it is FOOD if you can't afford gear you can't afford food you can't afford to bodybuild
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 09:45:34 AM
You can take 5grams a day if you don't eat you will not grow

Unless you are fattish the start with if you are then you can recomp just like mentzer did back in the day

He said he started at a very fat 220 and then he deployed 25 dbol and 400 deca and then boom shreads at 210

If you eat beyond need you do not hasten the muscle gaining process you just end up getting fatter watery and bloofy happened to me more than 10 times so I'm done with that shit

Some genetic marvels can eat highish cals and not get fatter but they are very very very rare and I certainly ain't one of them
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 17, 2024, 09:47:57 AM
Didn't watch but how the fuck do they throw out absolutes like "500 test is max" or "1 gram of Mast is ok"? Or "you don't need 2-3 hardeners." What is a "hardener" exactly? Mast is thought to be a "hardener" and so is tren so what the fuck, why do you need the var in that case? Not saying it's wrong to throw it in there but how many different drugs is acceptable or not?

You can make statements based on anecdotes like "2 to 3 grams total seems to be the ceiling," if that's what you've seen, fine, but these "acceptable doses" and acceptable amounts of different compounds in astack is pullezout of their asses.

Some could say all you "need" is a few grams of test and tren and all the rest adds only neglible results, and they'd actually have an argument, and some good bbers DO run just a couple of compounds, and in the off season some may even just run test at several grams a week. All these steroids work ROUGHLY the same, all the optimal combos are just suppositions and should be treated as theories only. The total dose is the more important number, if test is high enough it baically does "everything."

Just my opinion. Please argue with me if you disagree, these are not rules or absolutes, just a viewpoint 8)

EDIT: didn't even see bhanks latest post when I wrote my reply but he said much the same
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 09:55:04 AM
Didn't watch but how the fuck do they throw out absolutes like "500 test is max" or "1 gram of Mast is ok"? Or "you don't need 2-3 hardeners." What is a htdener exactly? Mast is thought to be a "hardener" and so is tren so what the fuck.

You can make statements based on anecdotes like "2 to 3 grams total seems to be the ceiling," if that's what you've seen, fine, but these "acceptable doses" and acceptable amounts of different compounds in astack is pullezout of their asses.

Some could say all you "need" is a few grams of test and tren and all the rest adds only neglible results, and they'd actually have an argument, and some good bbers DO run just a couple of compounds, and in the off season some may even just run test at several grams a week. All these steroids work ROUGHLY the same, all the optimal combos are just suppositions and should be treated as theories only. The total dose is the more important number, if test is high enough it baically does "everything."

Just my opinion. Please argue with me if you disagree, these are not rules or absolutes, just a viewpoint 8)

Yep mast primo and tren are hardeners too but they were talking about the oral hardemers ie. Winny, halo, proviron and var

I've run pretty high mast like 700 mgs and it did dickola for me

I'm now on 200 mgs of deca and it shits all over 700 mgs of mast not even close

Chavez says if you are flat and stringy like me you need mainly deca, dbol and drol which is spot for me and that naturally chubby guys thrive on mast and primo I think he is more correct than these 2 fellas

Also vigorous Steve says mast sucks ass and in my experience it sure as hell does
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 17, 2024, 09:56:28 AM
Unless you are fattish the start with if you are then you can recomp just like mentzer did back in the day

He said he started at a very fat 220 and then he deployed 25 dbol and 400 deca and then boom shreads at 210

If you eat beyond need you do not hasten the muscle gaining process you just end up getting fatter watery and bloofy happened to me more than 10 times so I'm done with that shit

Some genetic marvels can eat highish cals and not get fatter but they are very very very rare and I certainly ain't one of them

How the fuck do you think he got to 220lbs before recomping? So he was very fat at 220 and shredded at 210? Yeah that makes sense. What the fuck are you talking about you are done with that shit when did you ever do that shit? You are 157lbs when did you bulk up????
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 17, 2024, 09:58:03 AM
Didn't watch but how the fuck do they throw out absolutes like "500 test is max" or "1 gram of Mast is ok"? Or "you don't need 2-3 hardeners." What is a "hardener" exactly? Mast is thought to be a "hardener" and so is tren so what the fuck, why do you need the var in that case? Not saying it's wrong to throw it in there but how many different drugs is acceptable or not?

You can make statements based on anecdotes like "2 to 3 grams total seems to be the ceiling," if that's what you've seen, fine, but these "acceptable doses" and acceptable amounts of different compounds in astack is pullezout of their asses.

Some could say all you "need" is a few grams of test and tren and all the rest adds only neglible results, and they'd actually have an argument, and some good bbers DO run just a couple of compounds, and in the off season some may even just run test at several grams a week. All these steroids work ROUGHLY the same, all the optimal combos are just suppositions and should be treated as theories only. The total dose is the more important number, if test is high enough it baically does "everything."

Just my opinion. Please argue with me if you disagree, these are not rules or absolutes, just a viewpoint 8)

EDIT: didn't even see bhanks latest post when I wrote my reply but he said much the same

Exactly

Another issue is Anti estrogens have advanced you used to have to take these weird formulas because if you just took test you would be bloated from all the estrogen conversion. Now guys can take Anti estrogens and stay lean and dry on heavy doses of Test so why bother droping it for non aromatizing compounds that are not as strong?

But you are 52 years old and 157lbs why do you care about the max dosages of competitive Pro bodybuilders? 3-500mg is way more than you will ever need. You are not going to blow up at 52 years old and at 157lbs you don't have enough receptor sites to use more and you can grow like a weed if you just added food because you are starving yourself.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: visualizeperfection on June 17, 2024, 10:07:18 AM
DJ is obsessed with drugs. It’s mental illness.

Doesn’t eat like he cares, doesn’t train like he cares, just load the barrel and pray for muscles. It just hasn’t happened yet. Never will honestly.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 17, 2024, 10:15:32 AM

Chavez says if you are flat and stringy like me you need mainly deca, dbol and drol which is spot for me and that naturally chubby guys thrive on mast and primo I think he is more correct than these 2 fellas



If you think critically that is baloney too. "Flat and stringy" just means a lean guy with little muscle. "Chubby guys" simply means fat. These are not 2 different guys who "need" different drugs for optimal results. If a drug is potent it will work well whether you are flat or fat. "Flat"? As if that is somehow different from small lol.

I doubt the "mast does dickola for me" statement. When you did 700 mast did you have way less absolute lean body mass than now on 200 Deca? I doubt it, right?

I mean some of these experts are idiotic where they try to invent elegant solutions to non-problems. Advicing "chubby guys" on choice of drugs is ridiculous. They are simply fat, they don't react differently to drugs. Get a fatty on a diet on 3 grams of test without an antiestrogen and see how his "estrogen problems" and "water retention" was simply fat.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 10:16:13 AM
3rd guy is an open BB on 3.5 grams test 1.4 grams tren and 100 mgs of dbol and drol daily total dosage 6 + grams and 12 iu gh

They said they know this guy and he looked even better on 25% of that total doseage so less than 2 grams total

They said dbol is useless on or off season and that it is much more neurotoxic than either test or deca very bad news

And they said gh cap is 6 iu but maybe just maybe 8 iu at the very top
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 10:22:31 AM
DJ is obsessed with drugs. It’s mental illness.

Doesn’t eat like he cares, doesn’t train like he cares, just load the barrel and pray for muscles. It just hasn’t happened yet. Never will honestly.

Hahahaha

I like learning about this shit it is fascinating for me, knowledge is power

I have structured eating now counting calories and making sure I am not gaining any bodyfat

So far I have added 1 full inch to my chest and 1/2 to my shoulders and 1/3 inch to my arms and my waist is still 28.5 inches so it's working 💪😎
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 17, 2024, 10:25:28 AM


They said dbol is useless on or off season and that it is much more neurotoxic than either test or deca very bad news

And they said gh cap is 6 iu but maybe just maybe 8 iu at the very top

Absolute fucking shit lol. "Useless"? These guys are useless. "Much more neurotoxic" is fucking baloney too based on something Victor Black claimed. As far as orals go, dbol is the fucking best there is, it's only been the "breakfast of champions" for half a century. Sure you can get the approximate same results on other combos but saying it's useless is just a shit take 100%.

GH cap at 6iu? I guess that's why NONE of the pros run it that low lol.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: gib on June 17, 2024, 10:36:14 AM
Nassar was on 5gs apparently too.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 17, 2024, 10:45:16 AM
Furthermore these bitches should be ashamed of ripping off Victor Black word for word without giving credit. I've said Victor is the biggest piece of shit I've seen on social media BUT most of these guys just use VC's talking points without anything original coming from themselves. Jewett was "coached" for free by Victor. Then Jewett starts a money making scam selling Victor's info in his "University" course for 2 thousand bucks or whatever it was! When Victor sold his original info and more for 50 bucks lol. I wasn't a member of Vic's site but could probably cite his main talking points in one page, just based on his instagram posts lol. Even Vic says there's practically nothing to succes in bb, you could condense all the necessary important info on how to become a champion into just a
few centences.

I don't feel bad for Victor but this is just shameless lol. This whole "coaching" scene is a joke.

Nassar was on 5gs apparently too.

Just the test was probably 5 grams, maybe total was like 10 grams. Just the Anadrol was at times 3.5 grams a week lol. Not that it's important info "for us" but these absolute freaks have all been "up there." I say, and apparently others do too, that the average pro dose for shows is 4 grams plus nowadays. Maybe it's not even needed but they still do it.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 11:20:24 AM
Last guy is a classic BB on 500 test 400 mast ,900 primo 50.drol on training days and 6 iu gh

They agree with all in this case, but they said they would pull out the drol and basically only use drol the last few days before a contest if needed
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 11:22:36 AM
Absolute fucking shit lol. "Useless"? These guys are useless. "Much more neurotoxic" is fucking baloney too based on something Victor Black claimed. As far as orals go, dbol is the fucking best there is, it's only been the "breakfast of champions" for half a century. Sure you can get the approximate same results on other combos but saying it's useless is just a shit take 100%.

GH cap at 6iu? I guess that's why NONE of the pros run it that low lol.

Glad to hew this as dbol is one of the very few compounds that actually work for me

Big Paul also says to throw dbol in the trash
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 11:29:13 AM
Furthermore these bitches should be ashamed of ripping off Victor Black word for word without giving credit. I've said Victor is the biggest piece of shit I've seen on social media BUT most of these guys just use VC's talking points without anything original coming from themselves. Jewett was "coached" for free by Victor. Then Jewett starts a money making scam selling Victor's info in his "University" course for 2 thousand bucks or whatever it was! When Victor sold his original info and more for 50 bucks lol. I wasn't a member of Vic's site but could probably cite his main talking points in one page, just based on his instagram posts lol. Even Vic says there's practically nothing to succes in bb, you could condense all the necessary important info on how to become a champion into just a
few centences.

I don't feel bad for Victor but this is just shameless lol. This whole "coaching" scene is a joke.

Just the test was probably 5 grams, maybe total was like 10 grams. Just the Anadrol was at times 3.5 grams a week lol. Not that it's important info "for us" but these absolute freaks have all been "up there." I say, and apparently others do too, that the average pro dose for shows is 4 grams plus nowadays. Maybe it's not even needed but they still do it.

You're probably right about open pros being on 4+ grams

Big Paul is on 3 gram a gram of test mast and primo and it looks like he will be 230's on stage at 6'2

Pros are like 240-250 onstage at 5'9 so 5 inches shorter than him and 10-20 pounds heavier
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 17, 2024, 12:12:34 PM
You're probably right about open pros being on 4+ grams

Big Paul is on 3 gram a gram of test mast and primo and it looks like he will be 230's on stage at 6'2

Pros are like 240-250 onstage at 5'9 so 5 inches shorter than him and 10-20 pounds heavier

really?
You never said....
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: falco on June 17, 2024, 01:25:29 PM
Bodybuilding is a very ungratefull thing. 2+2 doesnt always equal 4. Sometimes it's 3, sometimes it's 5. If you are a 3, like OP and myself, own it. No matter how much food or hormones you take, it's not going to happen.  Just enjoy what you have and move on.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 17, 2024, 02:11:46 PM
Glad to hew this as dbol is one of the very few compounds that actually work for me

Big Paul also says to throw dbol in the trash

This is all based on Victor citing some study on mouse brains or test tube or something where Dianabol was more "neurotoxic" than other steroids. Note that all steroids are neurotoxic at high doses. Victor saidto observe older bodybuilders and note how they appear "off" in their cognitive abilities. I don't know if this is others' experience but older bodybuilders may be a little "flat" or emotionless, or that's how I often perceive them. If this is actually a roid side or just my ingination, I don't know. But Victor warns of perhaps dementia developing, or at least earlier, if you use lots of steroids. Maybe that is a legit concern. But most don't use Dianabol year round these days. Tren is supposedly the worst in this aspect from what they say. Well it's very potent overall so it makes sense in this aspect as well. But anyway, if Dianabol is slightly more potentially neurotoxic, or even a lot more, it does not necessarily that actual neural damage occurs to a degree that is acrually relevant. "They" also recommend antioxidants that are potentially protective for the brain, and specialised braindrugs like Noopept. If they will actually offset brain damage from steroids is anyone's guess though. But sure, you the demonstratably effective antioxidants when blasting a lot of roids, probably protective for the not just the brain but also the heart, kidneys, liver etc. NAC, glutathione injects or glut boosters, melatonin (for the brain), herbal antioxidants, vitamin c and so on.

But to then say Dianabol is useless and belongs in the trash? Come on, everyone knows it's very effective as oral steroids go, plus it makes many feel wonderful which is fucking important lol, who wants to use anabolics that make you feel shit. Then others will say for example, but Turinabol works great but without the water! But ever think the water is some of the effect you may actually want? Just because you had moon face with Dianabol and Sustanon 3 decades ago when you were a fat kid doesn't mean you'd be extremely water logged from it today. No one does it nowadays because it's become a truism that Dianabol is for off season only, MAYBE, but I already know it would work just fine even in the last phase of prep. When was actual water REALLY the problem for a competing bb? 99% of the time the "water" is fat. Anyone disagree? Dianabol rarely actually make you hold extracellular water in your ankles or whatever where you know you actually have a problem.

These guys belong in the trash lol. But again, this is just MY perspective, no ansolute statements where there are no exceptions etc.  8)

I would still say a first cycle of testosterone and Dianabol is a wonderful choice for first cycle, probably the best! Feel great, near immediate gains, get strong, what's not to love?

Another long ass post onjust Dianabol  :D
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 02:15:50 PM
Bodybuilding is a very ungratefull thing. 2+2 doesnt always equal 4. Sometimes it's 3, sometimes it's 5. If you are a 3, like OP and myself, own it. No matter how much food or hormones you take, it's not going to happen.  Just enjoy what you have and move on.

Problem is these dudes never really address fellas like you and I

Can't speak for you but I know I don't have size genetics but I have The Shape genetics and I know I could never be 200 @ 5% no matter what I did or took it just ain't in my cards

But I can have The Shape at 165 or so which I'm in fact headed for right now as my waist is still 28.5 inches and my chest and shoulders are only one inch away from thier maxed out size which I had weighing 20 more pounds than I weigh now but my waist was 4.5 inches bigger than so as I said I'm heading in the right direction

Anyways they should address this as not everyone wants to weigh or can weigh 220+

Wish to fuck Zane's cycle of 100 primo and 15 dbol worked for.me but it seems that 200 test and 200 deca might be all I need
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 17, 2024, 02:16:38 PM
Again everyone is different some people prefer and do better on different compounds than others. All the different compounds really do the same thing and it is just a matter of which ones cause water retention and estrogen issues or mental and which don't. Then yeah precontest they get their dosages up and get that hardened look using orals.

But there is no right or wrong dosage of any particular thing for anyone.

Beware of anyone who speaks in absolutes.

The biggest cost of bodybuilding is not gear it is FOOD if you can't afford gear you can't afford food you can't afford to bodybuild



bullshit

take 300mg aspirin you will be fine
take 30gm you will die

you are a moron and have noe xpeirece of anything other than yourself. and after 20 years you look like a swimmer on first cycle. you just reiterate anything you have heard and pass it off.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 02:22:30 PM
This is all based on Victor citing some study on mouse brains or test tube or something where Dianabol was more "neurotoxic" than other steroids. Note that all steroids are neurotoxic at high doses. Victor saidto observe older bodybuilders and note how they appear "off" in their cognitive abilities. I don't know if this is others' experience but older bodybuilders may be a little "flat" or emotionless, or that's how I often perceive them. If this is actually a roid side or just my ingination, I don't know. But Victor warns of perhaps dementia developing, or at least earlier, if you use lots of steroids. Maybe that is a legit concern. But most don't use Dianabol year round these days. Tren is supposedly the worst in this aspect from what they say. Well it's very potent overall so it makes sense in this aspect as well. But anyway, if Dianabol is slightly more potentially neurotoxic, or even a lot more, it does not necessarily that actual neural damage occurs to a degree that is acrually relevant. "They" also recommend antioxidants that are potentially protective for the brain, and specialised braindrugs like Noopept. If they will actually offset brain damage from steroids is anyone's guess though.

But to then say Dianabol is useless and belongs in the trash? Come on, everyone knows it's very effective as oral steroids go, plus it makes many feel wonderful which is fucking important lol, who wants to use anabolics that make you feel shit. Then others will say for example, but Turinabol works great but without the water! But ever think the water is some of the effect you may actually want? Just because you had moon face with Dianabol and Sustanon 3 decades ago when you were a fat kid doesn't mean you'd be extremely water logged from it today. No one does it nowadays because it's become a truism that Dianabol is for off season only, MAYBE, but I already know it would work just fine even in the last phase of prep. When was actual water REALLY the problem for a competing bb? 99% of the time the "water" is fat. Anyone disagree?

These guys belong in the trash lol. But again, this is just MY perspective, no ansolute statements where there are no exceptions etc.  8)

I would still say a first cycle of testosterone and Dianabol is a wonderful choice for first cycle, probably the best! Feel great, near immediate gains, get strong, what's not to love?

They say tren is the most neurotoxic BY FAR so not a good choice for.someone with BPD like me😄 They also say it and eq are very kidney toxic which is very bad

I'm on dbol now and I'm very lean and  pretty dry but these dudes got me worried that I probably have high estrogen running dbol with deca and test so I'm really curious how and if my look will change once I stop the dbol and then if I replace it with var I can also see what happens and if I will be drier and harder

Since I'm like 5-6% bodyfat extrogen would be raised less in my case right? Also I'm not running a high dose of any of those 3 compounds 200/200/20

Vigorous Steve is gonna drop his deca vid real soon so I'll be learning lots there and maybe have some answers
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 17, 2024, 02:28:31 PM

But you are 52 years old and 157lbs why do you care about the max dosages of competitive Pro bodybuilders? 3-500mg is way more than you will ever need. You are not going to blow up at 52 years old and at 157lbs you don't have enough receptor sites to use more and you can grow like a weed if you just added food because you are starving yourself.

Brian now telling someone they wont make big gains like hes the font of all knowledge
He laughed at us all two years ago when he claimed he was going to be a heavyweight bodybuilder at 225 onstage and we told him it wasnt possible.

Poor Brain, best he can hope for is 185 in shape.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 17, 2024, 02:36:04 PM
You're probably right about open pros being on 4+ grams

Big Paul is on 3 gram a gram of test mast and primo and it looks like he will be 230's on stage at 6'2

Pros are like 240-250 onstage at 5'9 so 5 inches shorter than him and 10-20 pounds heavier

But as you know those pros are likely on way more gear overall too. Paul likely NEEDS those dosages, I doubt he's making a lot of mistakes elsewhere, or what do you think?

Like we suspect the dosages are probably somewhat excessive across the board but otoh maybe everyone actually mostly needs these dosages for their given fat free bodyweights? Like I say, I think most of these guys are actually on top of their diets year round so just maybe what they do almost perfectly corresponds to what you see. Unless they are lying they seem to be in the gym all the time, eating all the time, in the past I think lots of bodybuilders fucked around periodically through the year but today they seem to be on the program all the time. At least no one admits to "eat what the fuck ever in the off season." If this regimented year round bodybuilding lifestyle is actually worth it in the end can be debated though.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 17, 2024, 02:50:09 PM
They say tren is the most neurotoxic BY FAR so not a good choice for.someone with BPD like me😄 They also say it and eq are very kidney toxic which is very bad



The EQ kidney toxicity is another one of Vic's theories, based on some assay showing some kidney tox but I think there was no comparison to any other steroid so what is it worth? Not much in my opinion. Almost no one thinks for themselves, they should be embarrassed to be copying others' theories word for word with no personal analysis. And with no attribution to the original source. If I say something I try to say where I got the idea.

You know I've told you repeatedly that in my humble opinion you should drop the estrogen obsession alltogether. In my opinion people are mistaken in the assumption that estrogen is uniquely resposible for a soft look, just because females are soft. Females are also not running a lot of androgens. Subcutaneous water may actually have little to do with estrogen, or is like females are actually holding lots of water under the skin? Hardly. Estrogen is also more correlated to fat distribution as opposed to absolute fat levels. There are actually wird effects seen in research, like post menopausal women given estrogen actually lose belly fat. So drop the automatic assumptions, at least that's my view.

I know you've said for example that increasing your test makes you look softer. I don't know for sure, but that may be all in your mind. I've never seen a pic of you where you looked water logged.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 17, 2024, 02:55:55 PM

I know you've said for example that increasing your test makes you look softer. I don't know for sure, but that may be all in your mind. I've never seen a pic of you where you looked water logged.
I would like to see him this waterlogged
(https://ep00.epimg.net/infografias/2023/08/ahogamientos/ejemplo3.gif)
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 03:59:30 PM
But as you know those pros are likely on way more gear overall too. Paul likely NEEDS those dosages, I doubt he's making a lot of mistakes elsewhere, or what do you think?

Like we suspect the dosages are probably somewhat excessive across the board but otoh maybe everyone actually mostly needs these dosages for their given fat free bodyweights? Like I say, I think most of these guys are actually on top of their diets year round so just maybe what they do almost perfectly corresponds to what you see. Unless they are lying they seem to be in the gym all the time, eating all the time, in the past I think lots of bodybuilders fucked around periodically through the year but today they seem to be on the program all the time. At least no one admits to "eat what the fuck ever in the off season." If this regimented year round bodybuilding lifestyle is actually worth it in the end can be debated though.

Big Paul is a.fucking mystery to me as he said during his off-season he was 250ish and relatively lean on 300 mgs total

So why the hell does he need 3000 mgs to be the same size he was on 300 mgs??

Makes ZERO fucking sense

Imo mast is weak as fuck and sucksass don't have enough experience with primo to say how weak it is or not

But 1 gram of test is very strong so.again why does he need so much when he was roughly the same size on 300 mgs total?

Guess he is using mast and primo as "anabolic" ais

But he is also using a regular ai
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Fortress on June 17, 2024, 04:00:35 PM
DVDs?
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 17, 2024, 04:07:07 PM
The EQ kidney toxicity is another one of Vic's theories, based on some assay showing some kidney tox but I think there was no comparison to any other steroid so what is it worth? Not much in my opinion. Almost no one thinks for themselves, they should be embarrassed to be copying others' theories word for word with no personal analysis. And with no attribution to the original source. If I say something I try to say where I got the idea.

You know I've told you repeatedly that in my humble opinion you should drop the estrogen obsession alltogether. In my opinion people are mistaken in the assumption that estrogen is uniquely resposible for a soft look, just because females are soft. Females are also not running a lot of androgens. Subcutaneous water may actually have little to do with estrogen, or is like females are actually holding lots of water under the skin? Hardly. Estrogen is also more correlated to fat distribution as opposed to absolute fat levels. There are actually wird effects seen in research, like post menopausal women given estrogen actually lose belly fat. So drop the automatic assumptions, at least that's my view.

I know you've said for example that increasing your test makes you look softer. I don't know for sure, but that may be all in your mind. I've never seen a pic of you where you looked water logged.

There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: webstar on June 17, 2024, 04:29:01 PM
There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot

The good old undigested food belly.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 17, 2024, 06:09:43 PM
3rd guy is an open BB on 3.5 grams test 1.4 grams tren and 100 mgs of dbol and drol daily total dosage 6 + grams and 12 iu gh

They said they know this guy and he looked even better on 25% of that total doseage so less than 2 grams total

They said dbol is useless on or off season and that it is much more neurotoxic than either test or deca very bad news

And they said gh cap is 6 iu but maybe just maybe 8 iu at the very top

Yates has said many times Dbol was his favorite compound Arnold was also rumored to be a big fan
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 17, 2024, 06:13:27 PM
Problem is these dudes never really address fellas like you and I

Can't speak for you but I know I don't have size genetics but I have The Shape genetics and I know I could never be 200 @ 5% no matter what I did or took it just ain't in my cards

But I can have The Shape at 165 or so which I'm in fact headed for right now as my waist is still 28.5 inches and my chest and shoulders are only one inch away from thier maxed out size which I had weighing 20 more pounds than I weigh now but my waist was 4.5 inches bigger than so as I said I'm heading in the right direction

Anyways they should address this as not everyone wants to weigh or can weigh 220+

Wish to fuck Zane's cycle of 100 primo and 15 dbol worked for.me but it seems that 200 test and 200 deca might be all I need

So your arms can never get bigger than 16.25 inches no matter how much gear you take how hard you train or how much you eat 16.25 is your absolute limit? And you know this because you are doing evrytign you can now and at 15.25 again fucking EAT
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 17, 2024, 06:15:33 PM
There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot


1000x better than you look now
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 18, 2024, 12:41:21 AM
There's an old pic of me here on 700 test and I look awful, it was when I was in Poland

But here is another pic of me on 700 test prop, 100 mgs ed, from a Ukrainian pharmacy forget the name of this prop but 15 was a big fan of it

Guess I don't look too bad here but my gut is distended coz I just ate like a 3000 calorie meal from McDonalds before taking this shot

So in other words you can yourself clearly see that the supposed estrogen from the test did not mess up your look.

I've said it before but you are 52 years old, and while it's true megadosing wouldn't do much, to gain actual new tissue at this age is almost impossible. You might still be able to gain a little but you'd have to triple your previous highest AAS dosage as well as use GH and insulin liberally AND eat much more than you ever have previously. What you're doing now is fighting over millimeters but if that's your thing it's completely fine.

Yates has said many times Dbol was his favorite compound Arnold was also rumored to be a big fan

Which is why saying it belongs in the garbage is so asinine. Fine, if it doesn't agree with you don't take it! You can gain the same with other alternatives. But these proclamations can turn around completely in a few months. All it takes is one top coach saying how it's the best oral still and actually wonderful precontest and  everyone rediscovers it. I think it was Vigorous Steve, or was it Tony Huge, who said the trend for good bodybuilders coming to Thailand now to actually do a lot of Dianabol again lol
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 18, 2024, 12:45:20 AM
So your arms can never get bigger than 16.25 inches no matter how much gear you take how hard you train or how much you eat 16.25 is your absolute limit? And you know this because you are doing evrytign you can now and at 15.25 again fucking EAT
writes the man who has gained 1/2 inch on his arms in the last 20 years by his own admission.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 18, 2024, 12:50:35 AM
You can take 5grams a day if you don't eat you will not grow
Who doesn't eat?
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bigmikecox on June 18, 2024, 01:55:30 AM
Covered in the first 20 minutes

1 gram of test tren and mast and 700 primo and 50 winny and var and 40 halo

Brutal

They say 2-3 grams total is the ceiling and test should be 500 max and tren 200 max but the dose of mast and primo are ok

Also they say only running var is enough you don't need 3-4 hardemers



All that gear and shit legs
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 18, 2024, 02:09:16 AM
writes the man who has gained 1/2 inch on his arms in the last 20 years by his own admission.

I was DJ size when I started but I started 25 plus years ago. Once You get your initial size you don't get much more. I am the exact same weight now I was when I was 20 years old. 205lbs but guess what it is a very different looking 205lbs. At 20 I was 205lbs with 17 inch arms and no vascularity.  I was also working out 2 hours a day 6 days a fucking week and going to an all you can eat dining hall stuffing my face. 205 then is like my 230 now. 205 now is show winning
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 18, 2024, 02:12:27 AM
Big Paul is a.fucking mystery to me as he said during his off-season he was 250ish and relatively lean on 300 mgs total

So why the hell does he need 3000 mgs to be the same size he was on 300 mgs??

Makes ZERO fucking sense

Imo mast is weak as fuck and sucksass don't have enough experience with primo to say how weak it is or not

But 1 gram of test is very strong so.again why does he need so much when he was roughly the same size on 300 mgs total?

Guess he is using mast and primo as "anabolic" ais

But he is also using a regular ai

It doesn't take anywhere near as much to maintain as it does to grow. If you keep your calories the same your weight is not going to change. The overall look of the physique is what is going to change more than the weight. Masteron is not going to put any weight on me however absolutely it would change my look. Masteron is awesome if you are already lean in shape additionally people claim it has anti estrogen type properties it certainly gives you a harder look
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: wes on June 18, 2024, 02:54:11 AM
"Vigorous Steve","Big Paul","Tony Huge"

(https://media1.tenor.com/m/3jtiTJ0kvUoAAAAC/impliedfacepalm.gif)
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 18, 2024, 07:13:13 AM
I was DJ size when I started but I started 25 plus years ago. Once You get your initial size you don't get much more. I am the exact same weight now I was when I was 20 years old. 205lbs but guess what it is a very different looking 205lbs. At 20 I was 205lbs with 17 inch arms and no vascularity.  I was also working out 2 hours a day 6 days a fucking week and going to an all you can eat dining hall stuffing my face. 205 then is like my 230 now. 205 now is shit show winning

Poor Brian contradicting himself, never been fat in his life always been shredded, now when hes in a corner again another version of events of him being 205 with 17 inch arms and no vascularity...Brain, no vascularity in your arms means you are fat, very fat

Every which way he tells the story he trys to come out on top.

Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 18, 2024, 07:32:39 AM
Poor Brian contradicting himself, never been fat in his life always been shredded, now when hes in a corner again another version of events of him being 205 with 17 inch arms and no vascularity...Brain, no vascularity in your arms means you are fat, very fat

Every which way he tells the story he trys to come out on top.

No vascularity does not mean fat Jesus man you just want to argue about nonsense it is boring go fucking lift something already and talk about that instead
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 07:50:11 AM
The good old undigested food belly.

Hahahaha

Yep and I didn't even bother to suck it in one bit
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 07:58:20 AM

1000x better than you look now

I weighed 170 there but I'd say my waist was 32 or 32.5 inches so my goal is to get that upper body size back but keep my current 28.5 inch waist as this will look quite dramatic and I'm thinking 165 will be the weight I end up at if I hit 170 with a 28.5 inch waist my arms might be very close to 17 but don't know til I get there

I'm a torso dominant guy so I'm concerned that the dips and chins will end up growing my pecs, lats and shoulders more than my arms so if they do I will have to add in more arm isolation exercises

Time will tell
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 08:08:57 AM
So in other words you can yourself clearly see that the supposed estrogen from the test did not mess up your look.

I've said it before but you are 52 years old, and while it's true megadosing wouldn't do much, to gain actual new tissue at this age is almost impossible. You might still be able to gain a little but you'd have to triple your previous highest AAS dosage as well as use GH and insulin liberally AND eat much more than you ever have previously. What you're doing now is fighting over millimeters but if that's your thing it's completely fine.

Which is why saying it belongs in the garbage is so asinine. Fine, if it doesn't agree with you don't take it! You can gain the same with other alternatives. But these proclamations can turn around completely in a few months. All it takes is one top coach saying how it's the best oral still and actually wonderful precontest and  everyone rediscovers it. I think it was Vigorous Steve, or was it Tony Huge, who said the trend for good bodybuilders coming to Thailand now to actually do a lot of Dianabol again lol

Some defy age better than others

Bernard Hopkins fought pro level til his early 50s

You saw where I have already gained a full inch or 2.5 cm to my chest and to my shoulders right? Milometers my ass😂😂😂

My gig is keep gaining strength and size will follow and yes on maintenance or very slightly above maintenance calories Mentzer experienced this many times you do not need a big surplus that is horseshit

Right now I can 3 reps with 35 kg 80 pounds round my waist and I am confident I will work up to at least 55 kg or 110 for 5-6 so when I do that my pecs delts and tris won't be bigger? Uh, yes they will they are already bigger and I just started

Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 08:16:59 AM
Who doesn't eat?

He thinks if you stuff down calories all of it goes to muscle tissue

Which is dead wrong

Every single time I did this I'd gain like 5 pounds of fat for only 1 pound of muscle

Complete waste of time and money

And the same fucking thing happened when I used slin 4-5 pounds of fat gained for maybe 1 pound of muscle

I've run slin 3 times with the same fucking outcome each time

I was such a dumbfuck to try it again and again

Another waste of time and money
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 18, 2024, 08:17:34 AM
I weighed 170 there but I'd say my waist was 32 or 32.5 inches so my goal is to get that upper body size back but keep my current 28.5 inch waist as this will look quite dramatic and I'm thinking 165 will be the weight I end up at if I hit 170 with a 28.5 inch waist my arms might be very close to 17 but don't know til I get there

I'm a torso dominant guy so I'm concerned that the dips and chins will end up growing my pecs, lats and shoulders more than my arms so if they do I will have to add in more arm isolation exercises

Time will tell

You look like that guy after picking up a serious meth habit you do not even look healthy at this point much less jacked you look sickly
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: visualizeperfection on June 18, 2024, 08:17:55 AM
Is there a tech nerd that can scrape the board, analyze every DJ post and give an estimate of how big he should be based on his 1/2” gains here and there to his various body parts? According to my rough estimates he should have a 14” waist and over 30” arms.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 18, 2024, 08:18:32 AM
dj is more ripped than you Fatboy
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 08:22:50 AM
Watching another vid from them talking about oral deployment and Jewett said steroids main role is muscle tissue retention

Absurd
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 08:27:51 AM
dj is more ripped than you Fatboy

This turd insults my leanness due to that fact that he can not obtain this level of condition so he says this meth horseshit based upon pure jealousy and resentment and a good dose of bigorexia

Can't wait to see how he reacts when I do get my previous level of size back but with the tiny waist and condition 😂😂😂

I'll just keep getting stronger and stronger while eating maintenance or slightly above and all will come into fruition 💪😎
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 08:31:33 AM
Is there a tech nerd that can scrape the board, analyze every DJ post and give an estimate of how big he should be based on his 1/2” gains here and there to his various body parts? According to my rough estimates he should have a 14” waist and over 30” arms.

Hahahaha
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 08:43:25 AM
Hey van

They just said aldosterone is the main driver of water retention not estrogen although estrogen does play a role

So how does one limit of cut down aldosterone levels?

They may provide the answer as I am still listening to the podcast but I'd like to get your input/opinion
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 18, 2024, 08:59:31 AM
Hey van

They just said aldosterone is the main driver of water retention not estrogen although estrogen does play a role

So how does one limit of cut down aldosterone levels?

They may provide the answer as I am still listening to the podcast but I'd like to get your input/opinion

Go and get a job you fucking bum...
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 18, 2024, 09:43:49 AM
This turd insults my leanness due to that fact that he can not obtain this level of condition so he says this meth horseshit based upon pure jealousy and resentment and a good dose of bigorexia

Can't wait to see how he reacts when I do get my previous level of size back but with the tiny waist and condition 😂😂😂

I'll just keep getting stronger and stronger while eating maintenance or slightly above and all will come into fruition 💪😎

You are not lean you are skinny fat. I am trying to help you. You actually looked decent in Poland. You have slipped way deep into anorexia now and look like you are dying.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 18, 2024, 10:09:56 AM
You are not lean you are skinny fat. I am trying to help you. You actually looked decent in Poland. You have slipped way deep into anorexia now and look like you are dying.

However he looks it beats this
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/3122/large/15609627.jpg)
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 11:22:52 AM
Biceps peak is not too shabby but that's what happens when you have short biceps

Bill grant had very long biceps same with Sergio Olivia hence a good part of the reason they both had massive arms

Mentzer had very long triceps which again was a major reason why he had massive arms

If you don't have long muscles in your arms they won't ever be able to get very big

Muscle length is probably the biggest determinant of potential muscle size

Same holds true for calves and calf length

Grant also had very short calf muscles and as a result his calves were tiny

In a recent podcast I listened to with Broderick chavez and Dave crossland and Scott McNally Broderick said that grant injected gear into his calf hoping it would make them grow bigger but it didn't work
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 11:34:33 AM
You are not lean you are skinny fat. I am trying to help you. You actually looked decent in Poland. You have slipped way deep into anorexia now and look like you are dying.

Yep guess there's lots of fat fellas walking round with cross-starations in thier triceps

Yeah that sounds bout right
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 18, 2024, 11:38:53 AM
That arm is not much over 15 wonder how it would look in this same condition at 17 inches?

Honestly I think my genetic arm limit is 16 inch in this condition

Who cares bout 16 inches in worse condition than this, for me it doesnt count what counts is how big is your arm at 5-6% bodyfat
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 18, 2024, 11:41:56 AM
Biceps peak is not too shabby but that's what happens when you have short biceps

Bill grant had very long biceps same with Sergio Olivia hence a good part of the reason they both had massive arms

Mentzer had very long triceps which again was a major reason why he had massive arms

If you don't have long muscles in your arms they won't ever be able to get very big

Muscle length is probably the biggest determinant of potential muscle size

Same holds true for calves and calf length

Grant also had very short calf muscles and as a result his calves were tiny

In a recent podcast I listened to with Broderick chavez and Dave crossland and Scott McNally Broderick said that grant injected gear into his calf hoping it would make them grow bigger but it didn't work

Its a 15.25 inch arm thats not from lack of genetics that is from lack of food my forearms tape 16
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 18, 2024, 11:44:12 AM
That arm is not much over 15 wonder how it would look in this same condition at 17 inches?

Honestly I think my genetic arm limit is 16 inch in this condition

Who cares bout 16 inches in worse condition than this, for me it doesnt count what counts is how big is your arm at 5-6% bodyfat

No one has fat on a 15 inch arm but your midsection shows no abs or hardness you are not shredded you are just depleted and thin. Again you do not look healthy you need about 20lbs just to not look like a meth head at this point. Your anorexia has gone too manic you are way past looking good you look like death
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 19, 2024, 12:18:21 AM
However he looks it beats this
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/3122/large/15609627.jpg)
:o Looks completely untrained.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 12:19:59 AM
:o Looks completely untrained.
come on, he just over carbed and missed his peak, he was diced the day before the show   ::)
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: BigRo on June 19, 2024, 12:20:50 AM
That arm is not much over 15 wonder how it would look in this same condition at 17 inches?

Honestly I think my genetic arm limit is 16 inch in this condition

Who cares bout 16 inches in worse condition than this, for me it doesnt count what counts is how big is your arm at 5-6% bodyfat

You always talk about how you don't want to be big because big men die sooner but you seem oblivious to the fact that trying to maintain 5-6 percent bodyfat year round is very bad for you.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Skeletor on June 19, 2024, 12:23:15 AM
come on, he just over carbed and missed his peak, he was diced the day before the show   ::)

And the guy he beat to become the “NPC champion” looked like Arnold.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Humble Narcissist on June 19, 2024, 12:34:50 AM
come on, he just over carbed and missed his peak, he was diced the day before the show   ::)
On the coffee and donuts diet.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 19, 2024, 01:18:28 AM
Hey van

They just said aldosterone is the main driver of water retention not estrogen although estrogen does play a role

So how does one limit of cut down aldosterone levels?

They may provide the answer as I am still listening to the podcast but I'd like to get your input/opinion

You don't worry about it, that's key. You just stay hydrated and don't do anything extreme with the diet.

But WHY is there a concern with "water retention" anyway. Ever see a guy you see is ripped to shreds but is holding tons of water? That's right you don't see it. Guys prepping worry about water retention all through the diet, think about drug choices, but it's NOT a concern except on show day. Some extra water from drugs is just positive on a diet if anything. Water retention can be fixed in days, hours, minutes, why the concern with being bone dry at all times.

Like I said, and those guys say, there are a bunch of hormones affecting water levels. Basically all steroids can and do cause it. Like tren. Like Halotestin (just check the prescribing info), every anabolic steroid. It has to do with those hormones, sodium retention, mineralcorticoid effects.

One could employ angiotensin-renin blockers, ARBs, when on steroids to reduce water retention a little. Paul I bet is on telmisartan, like almost ALL of them are, all due to Victor Black's propaganda. This class of steroids can theoretically be protective of most of steroids deleterious effects. Some speculate this should be in your arsenal from day one, even if your blood pressure is good. In retrospect I wish I had known about them from day one.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 01:51:33 AM
You don't worry about it, that's key. You just stay hydrated and don't do anything extreme with the diet.

But WHY is there a concern with "water retention" anyway. Ever see a guy you see is ripped to shreds but is holding tons of water? That's right you don't see it. Guys prepping worry about water retention all through the diet, think about drug choices, but it's NOT a concern except on show day. Some extra water from drugs is just positive on a diet if anything. Water retention can be fixed in days, hours, minutes, why the concern with being bone dry at all times.

Like I said, and those guys say, there are a bunch of hormones affecting water levels. Basically all steroids can and do cause it. Like tren. Like Halotestin (just check the prescribing info), every anabolic steroid. It has to do with those hormones, sodium retention, mineralcorticoid effects.

One could employ angiotensin-renin blockers, ARBs, when on steroids to reduce water retention a little. Paul I bet is on telmisartan, like almost ALL of them are, all due to Victor Black's propaganda. This class of steroids can theoretically be protective of most of steroids deleterious effects. Some speculate this should be in your arsenal from day one, even if your blood pressure is good. In retrospect I wish I had known about them from day one.
Why do you keep saying that water retention isnt a problem
Its a serious health problem it can also cause cellulitis which is disastrous for a bodybuilder, also your BP will be up if you are holding water.
Not great for your kidneys either.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 19, 2024, 02:23:56 AM




You saw where I have already gained a full inch or 2.5 cm to my chest and to my shoulders right? Milometers my ass😂😂😂



In my opinion what you see with your changing measurements is just very temporary, it's mostly temporary swelling due to how much training you are doing. Strength is a very good gauge for whether you are growing but like I've told you, small shifts in workout performace tell you almost nothing. Are you actually getting measurably stronger over time? Is there actually a plate added to an exercise over a year? Most of us do not get stronger actually, many of us haven't gotten stronger in decades.Instead what happens is we just regress and regain strength but new gains, no.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 19, 2024, 02:29:02 AM
Why do you keep saying that water retention isnt a problem
Its a serious health problem it can also cause cellulitis which is disastrous for a bodybuilder, also your BP will be up if you are holding water.
Not great for your kidneys either.

I meant aesthetically. Why the need to be dry at all times? When it can be "fixed" quickly when you actually want extra dryness.

Obviously water can be a big health problem. I was in fact prescribed continuous aldactone to ease strain on the heart. But I don't get why dj is so obsessed with it, he doesn't show actual edema. If you actually get pitting edema in your ankles that is very serious.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 02:51:53 AM
:o Looks completely untrained.

Well I am not in a pose there so there is that
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 02:52:26 AM
And the guy he beat to become the “NPC champion” looked like Arnold.

If you think you can do better I can send you the contest schedule
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 03:09:07 AM
Well I am not in a pose there so there is that
a split second later you exploded in a burst of striations and sinews , Muntzer like conditioning

There isnt a single stage photo of you looking anything but 20lbs overweight of slop
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 03:51:53 AM
a split second later you exploded in a burst of striations and sinews , Muntzer like conditioning

There isnt a single stage photo of you looking anything but 20lbs overweight of slop

Again I won the show I will win the next one as well you will keep bitching and I will keep winning
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: tatoo on June 19, 2024, 04:51:15 AM
Again I won the show I will win the next one as well you will keep bitching and I will keep winning

gonna find on with other guys that actually use gear? lol, bragging about beating nattys... if i were you, id get back up to 230. u looked better
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: wes on June 19, 2024, 04:53:02 AM
gonna find on with other guys that actually use gear? lol, bragging about beating nattys... if i were you, id get back up to 230. I`d hang myself.
:)
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 19, 2024, 04:54:49 AM
Again I won the show I will win the next one as well you will keep bitching and I will keep winning

you won your category

not the show

you lying Walter mitty coward
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 19, 2024, 04:58:54 AM
You always talk about how you don't want to be big because big men die sooner but you seem oblivious to the fact that trying to maintain 5-6 percent bodyfat year round is very bad for you.

Not if you can maintain that condition on maintenance calories which I indeed can do

I don't suffer and stain to stay conditioned as it's quite easy for me and I feel great

Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 19, 2024, 05:13:21 AM
You don't worry about it, that's key. You just stay hydrated and don't do anything extreme with the diet.

But WHY is there a concern with "water retention" anyway. Ever see a guy you see is ripped to shreds but is holding tons of water? That's right you don't see it. Guys prepping worry about water retention all through the diet, think about drug choices, but it's NOT a concern except on show day. Some extra water from drugs is just positive on a diet if anything. Water retention can be fixed in days, hours, minutes, why the concern with being bone dry at all times.

Like I said, and those guys say, there are a bunch of hormones affecting water levels. Basically all steroids can and do cause it. Like tren. Like Halotestin (just check the prescribing info), every anabolic steroid. It has to do with those hormones, sodium retention, mineralcorticoid effects.

One could employ angiotensin-renin blockers, ARBs, when on steroids to reduce water retention a little. Paul I bet is on telmisartan, like almost ALL of them are, all due to Victor Black's propaganda. This class of steroids can theoretically be protective of most of steroids deleterious effects. Some speculate this should be in your arsenal from day one, even if your blood pressure is good. In retrospect I wish I had known about them from day one.

Yep big Paul uses tel

My chins have gone up from bodyweight for 6 to now bodyweight plus 15 kg for 4 so that's a decent increase I'm thinking I'll hit bodyweight plus 30 fairly soon

Just started dios and I'm at bodyweight plus 30 for 6 but that will be up to bodyweight plus 50 fairly soon

I did bump the calories up 300 and my waist jumped to 28.75 up 1/4 inch so not too pleased bout that

Guess I'll keep riding these calories out and hope it adapts and drops back down

Strength has stalled the last 2 workouts so I'm going from a frequency of every 4 days to every 5 days

I know from previous experience that training each muscle every 5 to 6 days is optimal but I was trying to eake out every 4 days but I'm stalling so I cut it back

Don't know how these guys train each muscle twice a week, but they are doing this reps in reserve pussy ass training style so guess that's why
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 05:15:07 AM
gonna find on with other guys that actually use gear? lol, bragging about beating nattys... if i were you, id get back up to 230. u looked better

No one was natty lol
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 05:16:35 AM
No one was natty lol

you all need to change your suppliers...
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 05:16:56 AM
Yep big Paul uses tel

My chins have gone up from bodyweight for 6 to now bodyweight plus 15 kg for 4 so that's a decent increase I'm thinking I'll hit bodyweight plus 30 fairly soon

Just started dios and I'm at bodyweight plus 30 for 6 but that will be up to bodyweight plus 50 fairly soon

I did bump the calories up 300 and my waist jumped to 28.75 up 1/4 inch so not too pleased bout that

Guess I'll keep riding these calories out and hope it adapts and drops back down

Strength has stalled the last 2 workouts so I'm going from a frequency of every 4 days to every 5 days

I know from previous experience that training each muscle every 5 to 6 days is optimal but I was trying to eake out every 4 days but I'm stalling so I cut it back

Don't know how these guys train each muscle twice a week, but they are doing this reps in reserve pussy ass training style so guess that's why

People ask if you are making strength gains and you talk about bodyweight calisthenics (pullups and dips) a simple NO would suffice
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 19, 2024, 05:34:37 AM
congrats DJ

your triceps absolutely obliterate Hankins triceps

that's why he is shying away from showing them
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 05:38:39 AM
congrats DJ

your triceps absolutely obliterate Hankins triceps

that's why he is shying away from showing them

I dropped my phone in the pool the other day my triceps look great. Better question why are you shying away from showing yours?
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 19, 2024, 05:51:16 AM
I dropped my phone in the pool the other day my triceps look great. Better question why are you shying away from showing yours?


you never mentioned that. when?


I don't do requests from gay men. Now whose throat have you ever ripped out? You do know everyone is laughing at you Tackleberry
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 19, 2024, 06:42:24 AM
congrats DJ

your triceps absolutely obliterate Hankins triceps

that's why he is shying away from showing them

Thank you we will see if the dips grow them but I've got a feeling they will grow my pecs and delts more but time will tell

Funny STANKins call weighed dips and chins calestincs when I'm cock sure if he put 35 pounds round his waist he could not even do one fucking rep
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 06:47:00 AM
Thank you we will see if the dips grow them but I've got a feeling they will grow my pecs and delts more but time will tell

Funny STANKins call weighed dips and chins calestincs when I'm cock sure if he put 35 pounds round his waist he could not even do one fucking rep

DIPS AND CHINS ARE CALISTENICS

How much would you like to bet?????

But again very simple concept you are only pulling up 157lbs when I was 140lbs I could do 3x as many pullups and chins weighted and all that. It doesnt mean I was stronger than I am now over 200lbs

And you think you are on my level
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 12:05:25 PM
DIPS AND CHINS ARE CALISTENICS

How much would you like to bet?????

But again very simple concept you are only pulling up 157lbs when I was 140lbs I could do 3x as many pullups and chins weighted and all that. It doesnt mean I was stronger than I am now over 200lbs

And you think you are on my level

Brian, where are Ems girls while you are out posing by the pool?
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 12:07:23 PM
Brian, where are Ems girls while you are out posing by the pool?

Why you writing a book? You want to talk about teenage girls you don't know now?
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 12:17:29 PM
Why you writing a book? You want to talk about teenage girls you don't know now?

they are not there thats why, you are call alone like I said you were.

Why would a grown man be out by the pool posting photos for men online with two young step kids in the house

Fucks sake its a Fred West move.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 12:45:46 PM
they are not there thats why, you are call alone like I said you were.

Why would a grown man be out by the pool posting photos for men online with two young step kids in the house

Fucks sake its a Fred West move.

My wife is also home you going to tell me she isn't here as well. Hell my mom even dropped off a new float for the pool with some cookies earlier. What about my dog did he run off in your fantasy? Stop talking about girls you don't know you fucking creep.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 01:03:13 PM
My wife is also home you going to tell me she isn't here as well. Hell my mom even dropped off a new float for the pool with some cookies earlier. What about my dog did he run off in your fantasy? Stop talking about girls you don't know you fucking creep.
No hot dogs?

Yes, she just had a house built to be near her son and now you are fucking off ... selfish kunt as per.

so even with a full house you are running down to the pool posting half naked selfies for men online.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 19, 2024, 01:08:54 PM
DIPS AND CHINS ARE CALISTENICS

How much would you like to bet?????

But again very simple concept you are only pulling up 157lbs when I was 140lbs I could do 3x as many pullups and chins weighted and all that. It doesnt mean I was stronger than I am now over 200lbs

And you think you are on my level

My reps are ultra strict none of this kipping horseshit I'm sure you'd do

Start from a dead hang on each rep fully stretched position and hold it at the top for 2 full seconds and lower under strict control to the full stretched position and again perform the next rep with ZERO momentum from the fully stretched position

I'm not a BB like you are yet my shape and aesthetics mop the fucking floor with yours
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 01:22:45 PM
No hot dogs?

Yes, she just had a house built to be near her son and now you are fucking off ... selfish kunt as per.

so even with a full house you are running down to the pool posting half naked selfies for men online.

My pool is 5 feet outside my bedroom or living room or kitchen double doors who the fuck is running down anywhere? And now being in a bathing suit is half naked lol I take pics for me not you. But you guys want to pretend I am not in shape so I shared because it pisses the haters off to see me jacked and shredded
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 01:27:29 PM
My pool is 5 feet outside my bedroom or living room or kitchen double doors who the fuck is running down anywhere? And now being in a bathing suit is half naked lol I take pics for me not you. But you guys want to pretend I am not in shape so I shared because it pisses the haters off to see me jacked and shredded
yes, you just take them for yourself
(https://i.ibb.co/rdk03tq/Screenshot-2024-06-19-at-21-26-31.png)
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 01:27:42 PM
My reps are ultra strict none of this kipping horseshit I'm sure you'd do

Start from a dead hang on each rep fully stretched position and hold it at the top for 2 full seconds and lower under strict control to the full stretched position and again perform the next rep with ZERO momentum from the fully stretched position

I'm not a BB like you are yet my shape and aesthetics mop the fucking floor with yours

You look like a meth head. There is a difference between having cut up muscle and sliced up abs and just being skinny and thin. Even your face is gaunt. You do not even look healthy much less good. You are doing calisthenics and using machines to lift because you are too weak to use free weights.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: tatoo on June 19, 2024, 01:31:21 PM
My pool is 5 feet outside my bedroom or living room or kitchen double doors who the fuck is running down anywhere? And now being in a bathing suit is half naked lol I take pics for me not you. But you guys want to pretend I am not in shape so I shared because it pisses the haters off to see me jacked and shredded

ahahahahahaha.... holy shit bro... get a grip
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 01:34:49 PM
You look like a meth head. There is a difference between having cut up muscle and sliced up abs and just being skinny and thin. Even your face is gaunt. You do not even look healthy much less good. You are doing calisthenics and using machines to lift because you are too weak to use free weights.

Brian, his asthetics are way better than yours, he has two pecs for a start, you lose.
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/1684/large/8417392.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SfHXKNZ/Screenshot-2024-06-19-at-21-34-01.png)

Now Brian runs away from this thread to regroup and start another lie thread
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Skeletor on June 19, 2024, 01:52:39 PM
Brian, his asthetics are way better than yours, he has two pecs for a start, you lose.
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/1684/large/8417392.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SfHXKNZ/Screenshot-2024-06-19-at-21-34-01.png)

Now Brian runs away from this thread to regroup and start another lie thread

Also dj has visible veins. Bhank is smoother than a glazed donut, not a vein in sight and always looks sleepy on stage.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: njflex on June 19, 2024, 02:05:40 PM
You look like a meth head. There is a difference between having cut up muscle and sliced up abs and just being skinny and thin. Even your face is gaunt. You do not even look healthy much less good. You are doing calisthenics and using machines to lift because you are too weak to use free weights.
HE USED DBELL FOR CHEST AND FREE WEIGHT CURLS,LATERALS..
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: njflex on June 19, 2024, 02:07:12 PM
Brian, his asthetics are way better than yours, he has two pecs for a start, you lose.
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/1684/large/8417392.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SfHXKNZ/Screenshot-2024-06-19-at-21-34-01.png)

Now Brian runs away from this thread to regroup and start another lie thread
I will say this tho hanks looks better here than his contest win look :)...the lighting is better,he was washed out on the 'pro'stage he was so bragging about...
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 19, 2024, 02:32:03 PM
HE USED DBELL FOR CHEST AND FREE WEIGHT CURLS,LATERALS..

It's best to use whatever gives you the best muscle contraction/activation and this machine bench at my gym gives me a very very good pec contraction and lucky me it's a pin machine so I don't have to load fucking plates on it but if all goes as planned I will stack it out within 4-6 weeks so then I will have to go to plate loaded pec machines

Same with the lat work, a plate loaded lat pulldown gives me a better lat contraction than the standard pulldown so I'm using it

As far as the dips go I'm loading 3 10 kg plates which is 30 kg but I can load it up with 6 plates max, 8 plates nope would not be practical, but 6 10 kg plates is 132 pounds which would be a pretty good feat although mentzer told me he was able to dip with an added 180 pound bell, the bells at my gym only go up to 50 kg 110 pounds

I showed my Brazilian friend this pic and he said I am looking fuller than before so he knows what he is talking about and he isn't even interested in training or BB 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 03:00:16 PM
I will say this tho hanks looks better here than his contest win look :)...the lighting is better,he was washed out on the 'pro'stage he was so bragging about...
But But, hes making huge progress....surely he cant have looked better 2 years ago?
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: WrongAdvices on June 19, 2024, 03:08:38 PM
they are not there thats why, you are call alone like I said you were.

Why would a grown man be out by the pool posting photos for men online with two young step kids in the house

Fucks sake its a Fred West move.

With an old iphone his wife fished out of the drawer while she slaves away!
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 19, 2024, 03:20:52 PM
With an old iphone his wife fished out of the drawer while she slaves away!
She doesnt live with him.
I imagine he ran in from the pool screaming and crying he had broken his phone , something like this
(https://media.tenor.com/1_t89d6V0icAAAAM/freaking-out-crying.gif)
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 04:47:57 PM
Brian, his asthetics are way better than yours, he has two pecs for a start, you lose.
(https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/images/contests/1684/large/8417392.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SfHXKNZ/Screenshot-2024-06-19-at-21-34-01.png)

Now Brian runs away from this thread to regroup and start another lie thread

Or Brian went to dinner with his family and missed one of the half dozen threads where you say the same dumb shit
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 04:49:37 PM
It's best to use whatever gives you the best muscle contraction/activation and this machine bench at my gym gives me a very very good pec contraction and lucky me it's a pin machine so I don't have to load fucking plates on it but if all goes as planned I will stack it out within 4-6 weeks so then I will have to go to plate loaded pec machines

Same with the lat work, a plate loaded lat pulldown gives me a better lat contraction than the standard pulldown so I'm using it

As far as the dips go I'm loading 3 10 kg plates which is 30 kg but I can load it up with 6 plates max, 8 plates nope would not be practical, but 6 10 kg plates is 132 pounds which would be a pretty good feat although mentzer told me he was able to dip with an added 180 pound bell, the bells at my gym only go up to 50 kg 110 pounds

I showed my Brazilian friend this pic and he said I am looking fuller than before so he knows what he is talking about and he isn't even interested in training or BB 😂😂😂

Its an illusion you looked fuckng ridiculous in your tshirt pics in the gym when we can get an idea of your actual size compared to normal people you dont actually look good. You look like a fucking methhead you are way way too thin you do not look healthy in anyway.

The videos of you training are silly you are fucking tiny. Any teenage gym goer could whoop your ass
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 19, 2024, 05:03:00 PM
he looks miles better than the fraud

well in DJ

you win


DJ would batter you too hes done actual boxing not wanked off watching a rocky montage you big gay bald bear
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 19, 2024, 05:04:51 PM
he looks miles better than the fraud

well in DJ

you win


DJ would batter you too hes done actual boxing not wanked off watching a rocky montage you big gay bald bear

Hey man if you prefer the methhead look more power to you. But I am in shape. You are the big gay Bear with tits
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 19, 2024, 05:07:49 PM
only im not

I have pecs

you have erm nothing

as for gay- how is Spaulding? still pegging?

DJ slaughters you you waterlogged bitch

and he would easily ko you in the ring. boxing ring. don't get excited Brian.

Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 19, 2024, 05:28:12 PM
meanwhile at the kite thing on fathers day someone has a go at Brians Phil heath high snout



don't worry he does nothing
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 19, 2024, 05:32:35 PM
how Brian got his 'money' what his mum did


Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Van_Bilderass on June 19, 2024, 11:37:54 PM


Don't know how these guys train each muscle twice a week, but they are doing this reps in reserve pussy ass training style so guess that's why

In my opinion it's because they aren't totally obsessed with gaining strength or reps every workout. Many of the thought leaders in this space have hammered home the point that training should be progressive and to gauge muscle gains by performance increases, load or reps. That's 100% correct imo, I thought it was so at 15 and still think it at 47. But these guys aren't THAT obsessed with it although they all "track" workouts constantly.

I told you about this quote by a well know powerlifting trainer about lifters that worry about training too much or getting weaker at some workouts. He said that training does not make you weaker. What instead happens is you accumulate fatigue and to properly gauge strength gains you have to allow time to wash off any fatigue before testing, which is what all powerlifters do before meets by tapering down the frequency and/or volume. Although there are exceptions to everything I thought the statement "training does not make you weaker" was an interesting POV.

I said most of us don't really get stronger just like we don't get bigger. It's mostly just regressing and regaining, and lifters are just deluding themselves thinking they are progressing because they are constantly rotating exercises and rep ranges. There is always a performance increase when you start a "new" exercise but it's all due to relearning motor patterns or whatever happens, it's neural. Let's say you are strong as fuck and have squatted 405 for 10 reps. Write down for example 405 × 12 or 15 on a piece of paper and put it on you fridge as a long term goal for a year. That would be a very tangible gain. But what you'll find is it wasn't easy even if you gave it a very long time. Might be impossible even if a "just 2 rep increase" seems like it should be doable in a years time.
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: tatoo on June 20, 2024, 03:03:01 AM
Its an illusion you looked fuckng ridiculous in your tshirt pics in the gym when we can get an idea of your actual size compared to normal people you dont actually look good. You look like a fucking methhead you are way way too thin you do not look healthy in anyway.

The videos of you training are silly you are fucking tiny. Any teenage gym goer could whoop yourass

how about your own lifting vids hahaha?  zero self awareness hankins strikes again
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: bhank on June 20, 2024, 03:44:02 AM
In my opinion it's because they aren't totally obsessed with gaining strength or reps every workout. Many of the thought leaders in this space have hammered home the point that training should be progressive and to gauge muscle gains by performance increases, load or reps. That's 100% correct imo, I thought it was so at 15 and still think it at 47. But these guys aren't THAT obsessed with it although they all "track" workouts constantly.

I told you about this quote by a well know powerlifting trainer about lifters that worry about training too much or getting weaker at some workouts. He said that training does not make you weaker. What instead happens is you accumulate fatigue and to properly gauge strength gains you have to allow time to wash off any fatigue before testing, which is what all powerlifters do before meets by tapering down the frequency and/or volume. Although there are exceptions to everything I thought the statement "training does not make you weaker" was an interesting POV.

I said most of us don't really get stronger just like we don't get bigger. It's mostly just regressing and regaining, and lifters are just deluding themselves thinking they are progressing because they are constantly rotating exercises and rep ranges. There is always a performance increase when you start a "new" exercise but it's all due to relearning motor patterns or whatever happens, it's neural. Let's say you are strong as fuck and have squatted 405 for 10 reps. Write down for example 405 × 12 or 15 on a piece of paper and put it on you fridge as a long term goal for a year. That would be a very tangible gain. But what you'll find is it wasn't easy even if you gave it a very long time. Might be impossible even if a "just 2 rep increase" seems like it should be doable in a years time.

Exactly you can gain about 10% in a few weeks practicing any particular movement that doesn't mean you got 10% stronger you just learned the movement
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: Taffin on June 20, 2024, 04:12:14 AM
yes, you just take them for yourself
(https://i.ibb.co/rdk03tq/Screenshot-2024-06-19-at-21-26-31.png)

Not sure whether to be proud or ashamed to see some of my shit up there...  ;D


DJ would batter you too hes done actual boxing not wanked off watching a rocky montage you big gay bald bear

38 - not sure how strong your Scouse accent is, but I have to tell you I read that in a Liverpudlian accent and just fucking roared with laughter!  Biggest LOL of the day so far - thanks  ;D
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 20, 2024, 04:56:14 AM
he looks miles better than the fraud

well in DJ

you win


DJ would batter you too hes done actual boxing not wanked off watching a rocky montage you big gay bald bear

Thank you

He is clearly jealous of my shape and condition, pear bodied toad that he is

It's actually quite hilarious that he thinks his insults touch me, I just laugh them off and I go by my real life experiences with regards to my physique

Last time I was in the gym and fella came up out of the blue and told me I'm looking good and asked for some advice

Peeps don't ask meth heads for advice and the thing is you can be sure no one comes up to him to comp him or ask for advice 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: dj181 on June 20, 2024, 05:05:37 AM
In my opinion it's because they aren't totally obsessed with gaining strength or reps every workout. Many of the thought leaders in this space have hammered home the point that training should be progressive and to gauge muscle gains by performance increases, load or reps. That's 100% correct imo, I thought it was so at 15 and still think it at 47. But these guys aren't THAT obsessed with it although they all "track" workouts constantly.

I told you about this quote by a well know powerlifting trainer about lifters that worry about training too much or getting weaker at some workouts. He said that training does not make you weaker. What instead happens is you accumulate fatigue and to properly gauge strength gains you have to allow time to wash off any fatigue before testing, which is what all powerlifters do before meets by tapering down the frequency and/or volume. Although there are exceptions to everything I thought the statement "training does not make you weaker" was an interesting POV.

I said most of us don't really get stronger just like we don't get bigger. It's mostly just regressing and regaining, and lifters are just deluding themselves thinking they are progressing because they are constantly rotating exercises and rep ranges. There is always a performance increase when you start a "new" exercise but it's all due to relearning motor patterns or whatever happens, it's neural. Let's say you are strong as fuck and have squatted 405 for 10 reps. Write down for example 405 × 12 or 15 on a piece of paper and put it on you fridge as a long term goal for a year. That would be a very tangible gain. But what you'll find is it wasn't easy even if you gave it a very long time. Might be impossible even if a "just 2 rep increase" seems like it should be doable in a years time.

Yep performance increases is the gold standard that's right

Mike mentzer said you should increase weight or reps every single workout and if you aren't then something is wrong with your training

Doc Todd lee is trying to focus on and grow his arms but not sure if he really is succeeding or not

In his vids his arms don't look so great not just that they are lacking in size compared to his chest and delts but the shape and detail is very subpar as well
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: 38 returns on June 20, 2024, 05:11:50 AM
Not sure whether to be proud or ashamed to see some of my shit up there...  ;D


38 - not sure how strong your Scouse accent is, but I have to tell you I read that in a Liverpudlian accent and just fucking roared with laughter!  Biggest LOL of the day so far - thanks  ;D

hahaha!

strong enough but not too bad

I do say 'how are we' when meeting people like turkey teeth
Title: Re: Mens physique pro on 5+ grams
Post by: joswift on June 20, 2024, 08:48:52 AM
Exactly you can gain about 10% in a few weeks practicing any particular movement that doesn't mean you got 10% stronger you just learned the movement

hahahaha after 25 years you cant even press a bar up straight and shaking like a shitting dog