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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Pet shop boys on June 26, 2024, 07:44:26 AM
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Dont have much info on Flex Wheeler latety.
But I heard some days are good and others not so much for Flex Wheeelr and time is running out ....
Also Guy Cisternino is willing to donate one of his kidneys to flex?? . according to Palumbo.
He is even willing to give it to another person if his is not compatible with Flex. so they can move Flex up in the waiting list to gain time ......
I take my hat off to Guy
'for his monumental act of kindness, however my question is how functional can be the kidney of a retired pro bodybuilder pushing 50 like Cisternino (sp?)
Wishing the best outcome for Flex
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHH remain Golden bitches
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He's in the zone for a new one, transplanted kidneys don't last forever. My experience from watching a few transplant bodybuilders / strength athletes over the years, 15-20 years seems to be the transplanted kidney's lifespan. Flex had his transplant in 2003.
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He's in the zone for a new one, transplanted kidneys don't last forever. My experience from watching a few transplant bodybuilders / strength athletes over the years, 15-20 years seems to be the transplanted kidney's lifespan. Flex had his transplant in 2003.
But Flex has had at least two transplants already, right?
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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He's in the zone for a new one, transplanted kidneys don't last forever. My experience from watching a few transplant bodybuilders / strength athletes over the years, 15-20 years seems to be the transplanted kidney's lifespan. Flex had his transplant in 2003.
Guy Cisterino is donating his if he’s a match.
I feel this midget is just saying he will to get the social media sympathy. deep down he knows he is not a match or has already asked doctors.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8gRWELtfRi/?igsh=cnVpam94dmhkN29o
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But Flex has had at least two transplants already, right?
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
No, just one, but the kidney has been on the fritz for a few years now, so every time he's even a little sick, he has to go to the hospital for help.
Guy Cisterino is donating his if he’s a match.
I feel this midget is just saying he will to get the social media sympathy. deep down he knows he is not a match or has already asked doctors.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8gRWELtfRi/?igsh=cnVpam94dmhkN29o
Yeah, screw that. I'm keeping all my parts. I bet he indeed Hankins out at the last minute. Guy's probably lying there, Flex has been talking about the new kidney petering out for at least 3-4 years.
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Instead of handing out trophies and cash to winners of bodybuilding shows they should give them discounts at kidney dialysis centers.
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Guy seems very much like a people pleaser. He wants to be loved. Maybe daddy issues deep down.
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Just sad all the ill health in this small subculture of a sport. Is it worth it?
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Damn this guy is going through his storage of kidneys pretty fast, hope he's not running out eventually.
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A while back he said they have warned him that the arms may go too. But he was still positive, "as long I'm alive it's worth it"
Imagine having just a torso.
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A while back he said they have warned him that the arms may go too. But he was still positive, "as long I'm alive it's worth it"
Imagine having just a torso.
HE was as cocky as they come at his peak..like fuk u i look like this u look like ehhhh...
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HE was as cocky as they come at his peak..like fuk u i look like this u look like ehhhh...
Damm serious question why would flex lose his arms ?
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A while back he said they have warned him that the arms may go too. But he was still positive, "as long I'm alive it's worth it"
Imagine having just a torso.
Go to a fancy dress as a sandbag?
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Guy would not be my first choice if I was looking for a fresh kidney.
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Damm serious question why would flex lose his arms ?
everything he pumped in them..
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Damm serious question why would flex lose his arms ?
" In a attempt to save my right leg. A stent was put in my right peck that goes all the way down to my right leg.
Unfortunately the day after the emergency surgery the stent irrupted. Within seconds my right peck, shoulder and neck was full of Blood🩸 to the point were my neck was so swollen that I was losing consciousness due to not being able to breathe. My amazing doctors had to go in and do a emergency surgery to stop the blood loss. But due to me being on intravenous heparin ,
They had to wait 24 hours to make sure I wouldn’t bleed out. So I laid there screaming and hallucinating going in and out of consciousness. Due to the nerve damage and neuropathy. I lost full usage of my right peck, shoulder all the way down to my fingers. ( evidently blood and nerve endings/internal tissue don’t get along too well )
I had to learn how to do EVERYTHING!! I mean EVERYTHING ( FEEL ME ) Even write with my left hand.
I’ve gained about 20% of my right peck, arm and hand back so far... _____
Thank GOD for the little things 🙏🏾 Disabled. But I’m not disabled!!! 🙏🏾 "
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His arms are all messed up, see the start of this - https://www.instagram.com/officialflexwheeler/reel/C8pnPGSy3Gu/ .
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A while back he said they have warned him that the arms may go too. But he was still positive, "as long I'm alive it's worth it"
Imagine having just a torso.
Go to a fancy dress as a sandbag?
Maybe he could get a job in law enforcement?
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everything he pumped in them..
Maybe but losing limbs can also be the final stages of kidneys failure
https://newsroom.uw.edu/news-releases/end-life-care-aggressive-amputees-dialysis#:~:text=Nearly%20one%20in%2010%20patients,limited%20access%20to%20hospice%20services.
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There would be a lot more organs to help folks if they’d stop transplanting them in fools that caused their predicament.
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There would be a lot more organs to help folks if they’d stop transplanting them in fools that caused their predicament.
lol, many people who need a kidney do so from diabetes, smoking, being overweight, high BP, etc. All self created scenarios. At least Flex was great at something and not just a guy addicted to donuts who ruined his kidneys with excess sugar.
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Flex has to just accept his fate.
He was an idiot for pumping all that shit into his body.
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He had the best physique ever at the Arnold 93 so you can't take that away from.him
But like a dumb fuck he.sized up and ruined his perfect aesthetic
He was 213 of 216 there anyone know what he weighed later on stage?
Boyer coe and Francis benefetto also did the same dumb fucking thing
Gotta hand it to Paul Jean Gulliume though as he never chased this over size horseshit and kept his ace aesthetic
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A while back he said they have warned him that the arms may go too. But he was still positive, "as long I'm alive it's worth it"
Imagine having just a torso.
Hahaha
Living the life flex is living now, he’s better off dead honestly
That “comeback” from 2016 is what did him in IMO, after that he fell apart rapidly, stupid idiots juicing the whole time
It was all well worth it in the end
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" In a attempt to save my right leg. A stent was put in my right peck that goes all the way down to my right leg.
Unfortunately the day after the emergency surgery the stent irrupted. Within seconds my right peck, shoulder and neck was full of Blood🩸 to the point were my neck was so swollen that I was losing consciousness due to not being able to breathe. My amazing doctors had to go in and do a emergency surgery to stop the blood loss. But due to me being on intravenous heparin ,
They had to wait 24 hours to make sure I wouldn’t bleed out. So I laid there screaming and hallucinating going in and out of consciousness. Due to the nerve damage and neuropathy. I lost full usage of my right peck, shoulder all the way down to my fingers. ( evidently blood and nerve endings/internal tissue don’t get along too well )
I had to learn how to do EVERYTHING!! I mean EVERYTHING ( FEEL ME ) Even write with my left hand.
I’ve gained about 20% of my right peck, arm and hand back so far... _____
Thank GOD for the little things 🙏🏾 Disabled. But I’m not disabled!!! 🙏🏾 "
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His arms are all messed up, see the start of this - https://www.instagram.com/officialflexwheeler/reel/C8pnPGSy3Gu/ .
Can someone take a screencap please? I can't see the page.
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Maybe he could get a job in law enforcement?
Or he could become a professional swimmer and change his name to Bob.
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Can someone take a screencap please? I can't see the page.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MGg40Dwj/449115110-851519507027912-7145244455368504778-n.jpg).
A rare pic of his arms now, he's really uptight about them.
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Post referencing the stent - https://fitnessvolt.com/flex-wheeler-arm/ .
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Hahaha
Living the life flex is living now, he’s better off dead honestly
That “comeback” from 2016 is what did him in IMO, after that he fell apart rapidly, stupid idiots juicing the whole time
It was all well worth it in the end
Good point about 2016. I wonder how much that played a role in the health decline? Would he be fine today if he didn’t compete in that show?
Also, is Don Long still alive?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MGg40Dwj/449115110-851519507027912-7145244455368504778-n.jpg).
A rare pic of his arms now, he's really uptight about them.
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Post referencing the stent - https://fitnessvolt.com/flex-wheeler-arm/ .
Bhank can now claim he has Flex Wheeler-like symmetry: atrophied right arm, normal sized left with injections.
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Flex treated me like shit, so fuck ‘im.
No, that’s too much.
I do feel sympathy for the guy, actually.
But he abused his body to an alarming degree. And as stated, his ridiculous return to competition smacked another one or two nails into his coffin.
His entire body is shutting down.
It’s terrifying shit.
However, too few people take serious note of examples like Wheeler and Coleman, and they think, It won’t happen to me.
The human body is a remarkably enduring machine, but each has its limit.
None of us know exactly what that limit is.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/MGg40Dwj/449115110-851519507027912-7145244455368504778-n.jpg).
A rare pic of his arms now, he's really uptight about them.
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Post referencing the stent - https://fitnessvolt.com/flex-wheeler-arm/ .
Thanks dude. Looks like Flex is still loading up the left arm with goo.
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Guy would not be my first choice if I was looking for a fresh kidney.
Exactly, who wants a partially shot kidney FFS
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A while back he said they have warned him that the arms may go too. But he was still positive, "as long I'm alive it's worth it"
Imagine having just a torso.
Why is he losing limbs anyway? (and why can't you take preventative action when you're already in the know?)
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Flex treated me like shit, so fuck ‘im.
What actually happened?
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What actually happened?
Fortress was one of the ninjas.
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Why is he losing limbs anyway? (and why can't you take preventative action when you're already in the know?)
kidney failure obviously
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Or he could become a professional swimmer and change his name to Bob.
;D
And start a collection of hats!!
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" In a attempt to save my right leg. A stent was put in my right peck that goes all the way down to my right leg.
Unfortunately the day after the emergency surgery the stent irrupted. Within seconds my right peck, shoulder and neck was full of Blood🩸 to the point were my neck was so swollen that I was losing consciousness due to not being able to breathe. My amazing doctors had to go in and do a emergency surgery to stop the blood loss. But due to me being on intravenous heparin ,
They had to wait 24 hours to make sure I wouldn’t bleed out. So I laid there screaming and hallucinating going in and out of consciousness. Due to the nerve damage and neuropathy. I lost full usage of my right peck, shoulder all the way down to my fingers. ( evidently blood and nerve endings/internal tissue don’t get along too well )
I had to learn how to do EVERYTHING!! I mean EVERYTHING ( FEEL ME ) Even write with my left hand.
I’ve gained about 20% of my right peck, arm and hand back so far... _____
Thank GOD for the little things 🙏🏾 Disabled. But I’m not disabled!!! 🙏🏾 "
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His arms are all messed up, see the start of this - https://www.instagram.com/officialflexwheeler/reel/C8pnPGSy3Gu/ .
Sorry to hear everything youve been through ...
glad youre doing better day by day
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHhh
" I dont knock on doors, I knock them over" (Flex Wheeler in the 90s)
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shawn ray had a healthy approach to bbing,he was smart in terms of marketing himself,competing ,and wht he needed to use to be competitive without killing himself.maybe as a person people say this and that about him but even to this day he comes across well in terms of the bodybuilding world.wheeler on camera recently at shows was a more humble version go figure.
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He had the best physique ever at the Arnold 93 so you can't take that away from.him
But like a dumb fuck he.sized up and ruined his perfect aesthetic
He was 213 of 216 there anyone know what he weighed later on stage?
Boyer coe and Francis benefetto also did the same dumb fucking thing
Gotta hand it to Paul Jean Gulliume though as he never chased this over size horseshit and kept his ace aesthetic
People have the misconception that he ruined his kidneys when he got bigger But in reality when he was around 220 ripped he already caused lots of stress in his kidneys... the extremely low body fat taxed out 93 /95 ... he was admitted to hospitals numerous occasions in his 20s .... Weider never wanted his athletes to be vocal about their injuries let alone organs issues/heath ... but there are articles pictures from 30 years ago where Flex where lays with his lean beautiful aesthetically pleasing physique already fcked .
Crazy to think he has been dying for us for over 30 years ..... but true
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Flex is hated for being the biggest Douche in BB history (even ahead of Ferrigno)... So he brought everything to himself" HOWEVER...
Did he really abuse his body to an alarming degree more than guys like Gaspari and Levrone ?
Gaspari had the lowest BF of his era, striated glutes Olympia runner up at what 20? 21? lol
Levrone was runner up in his first Olympia 2 years prior he was not even a pro ...
They went the extra mile" meaning they were putting more drug/diuretics recklessly than the most ferocious fearless warrior ...
sure they're all illustrious BB hall of famers but in the end both Gaspari and Kevin just got luckier than Poor Flex.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Flex is hated for being the biggest Douche in BB history (even ahead of Ferrigno)... So he brought everything to himself" HOWEVER...
Did he really abuse his body to an alarming degree more than guys like Gaspari and Levrone ?
Gaspari had the lowest BF of his era, striated glutes Olympia runner up at what 20? 21? lol
Levrone was runner up in his first Olympia 2 years prior he was not even a pro ...
They went the extra mile" meaning they were putting more drug/diuretics recklessly than the most ferocious fearless warrior ...
sure they're all illustrious BB hall of famers but in the end both Gaspari and Kevin just got luckier than Poor Flex.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
GROWING UP IN NJ GASPARI REPORTEDY HAD HEART ATTACKS EVERY YEAR...LOL..
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Flex is hated for being the biggest Douche in BB history (even ahead of Ferrigno)... So he brought everything to himself" HOWEVER...
Did he really abuse his body to an alarming degree more than guys like Gaspari and Levrone ?
Gaspari had the lowest BF of his era, striated glutes Olympia runner up at what 20? 21? lol
Levrone was runner up in his first Olympia 2 years prior he was not even a pro ...
They went the extra mile" meaning they were putting more drug/diuretics recklessly than the most ferocious fearless warrior ...
sure they're all illustrious BB hall of famers but in the end both Gaspari and Kevin just got luckier than Poor Flex.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
flex was a oilbag
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A while back he said they have warned him that the arms may go too. But he was still positive, "as long I'm alive it's worth it"
Imagine having just a torso.
I believe it was his other leg.
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Damm serious question why would flex lose his arms ?
Maybe because of the same problem he has in the legs. Or the gallons of oil he stuffed them years ago, when he was alread falling down.
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Maybe he could get a job in law enforcement?
Mega lol!
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He had the best physique ever at the Arnold 93 so you can't take that away from.him
But like a dumb fuck he.sized up and ruined his perfect aesthetic
He was 213 of 216 there anyone know what he weighed later on stage?
Boyer coe and Francis benefetto also did the same dumb fucking thing
Gotta hand it to Paul Jean Gulliume though as he never chased this over size horseshit and kept his ace aesthetic
Benfatto.
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Good point about 2016. I wonder how much that played a role in the health decline? Would he be fine today if he didn’t compete in that show?
Also, is Don Long still alive?
Alive and probably already out of jail.
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Why is he losing limbs anyway? (and why can't you take preventative action when you're already in the know?)
Because the damage is already done.
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Flex is hated for being the biggest Douche in BB history (even ahead of Ferrigno)... So he brought everything to himself" HOWEVER...
Did he really abuse his body to an alarming degree more than guys like Gaspari and Levrone ?
Gaspari had the lowest BF of his era, striated glutes Olympia runner up at what 20? 21? lol
Levrone was runner up in his first Olympia 2 years prior he was not even a pro ...
They went the extra mile" meaning they were putting more drug/diuretics recklessly than the most ferocious fearless warrior ...
sure they're all illustrious BB hall of famers but in the end both Gaspari and Kevin just got luckier than Poor Flex.
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Actually Levrone was known to take long time off and pursue other endeavours in life. He stepped on the gas yes, but only for shows, later in his career.
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Why is he losing limbs anyway? (and why can't you take preventative action when you're already in the know?)
I don't even remember what the specific disease he has (maybe it had something to do with artherosclerosis?) apart from the kidney issues, but he said the arms may go for the same reason the leg went.
And IIRC he amputated the leg mostly due to intractable pain, I don't think it was "dead" but I may be wrong.
I don't laugh at him, and wouldn't even call him a dumbass even if he was dumb. This fate is just horrible but I have some kind of admiration for him not killing himself and for taking the effort to get around some. And for still taking steroids lol. One thing he said was that at some points he was so heavily into opiates the docs said he will never ever get off them, impossible. But at the time of the DJ and Milos podcast a while back he said he'd been off them for a long time. So there's probably an incredible stubborness inside there lol.
Why didn't Flex get involved in supplements? He's only been hawking absolute shit, for example smilax drops ffs. All supps are somewhat fraudulent but there's proteins and aminos and a few choice items which aren't a total scam. Like Labrada's RTDs or whatever.
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What actually happened?
When I visited Gold’s in Venice, he was dismissive and full of himself.
No crazy story.
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Flex is hated for being the biggest Douche in BB history (even ahead of Ferrigno)... So he brought everything to himself" HOWEVER...
Did he really abuse his body to an alarming degree more than guys like Gaspari and Levrone ?
100% he did, He was using 2-3 times what Chris and Paul were using and his cycles basically had no scientific strategy it was simply what he could afford and source, after guest posing on the weekend a crackheads approach to bodybuilding it was suicidal and he was always going to have issues, still a genetic freak but when you see genetics on that level along with dosages on that level its time to retire you simply can't compete with them or aspire too without adopting the same insane approach.
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93 Arnold was the only time he really dialed in
Was always watery in the hams and glutes, that was possibly his kidneys already crying out for help.
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100% he did, He was using 2-3 times what Chris and Paul were using and his cycles basically had no scientific strategy it was simply what he could afford and source, after guest posing on the weekend a crackheads approach to bodybuilding it was suicidal and he was always going to have issues, still a genetic freak but when you see genetics on that level along with dosages on that level its time to retire you simply can't compete with them or aspire too without adopting the same insane approach.
+ he used synthol
Levrone never did.
Cormier not sure he might have done small amounts
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93 Arnold was the only time he really dialed in
Was always watery in the hams and glutes, that was possibly his kidneys already crying out for help.
yeah 96 or so he was bigger but like you said soft in rear ,,and his abs blurry by 98 and delts that looked like cliffs from the sides.
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93 Arnold was the only time he really dialed in
Was always watery in the hams and glutes, that was possibly his kidneys already crying out for help.
i think all the oil in 98 is the reason for his roasted kidneys
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i think all the oil in 98 is the reason for his roasted kidneys
he knew his kidneys were almost shot and he still threw in his normal diuretics in 2002
he was pretty much fucked at this point
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he knew his kidneys were almost shot and he still threw in his normal diuretics in 2002
he was pretty much fucked at this point
Worked with a guy whose kidneys were already in their tipping point. Heroin. He couldnt care less. Maybe self esteem issues.
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Before we formally “met”, I attended one of his seminars. Bob at MMI wanted me to pen a little piece in review for the mag.
This was in the first year or two of his professional standing.
Flex sat on a stool and talked for two hours about pre-contest water loss and his varying achievements of being dry.
Truly a ridiculous couple of hours.
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Before we formally “met”, I attended one of his seminars. Bob at MMI wanted me to pen a little piece in review for the mag.
This was in the first year or two of his professional standing.
Flex sat on a stool and talked for two hours about pre-contest water loss and his varying achievements of being dry.
Truly a ridiculous couple of hours.
Most pros have no idea about the intricacies of contest prep
Went to Robbie Robisnson seminar years ago, someone asked him about protien and carb ratios and the digestive system using acids and alkalies to break down food.
He looked at her and said "Off season I use a big bowl and pre-contest I use a small bowl"
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Most pros have no idea about the intricacies of contest prep
Went to Robbie Robisnson seminar years ago, someone asked him about protien and carb ratios and the digestive system using acids and alkalies to break down food.
He looked at her and said "Off season I use a big bowl and pre-contest I use a small bowl"
i believe it...people need something to write to fool the reader or sell mag's..
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93 Arnold was the only time he really dialed in
Was always watery in the hams and glutes, that was possibly his kidneys already crying out for help.
Agree never got dry like that again as he tried to get bigger, IMO if he brought that physique at that weight to every Olympia besides Yates 93 he might have won one. He lost detail as he got bigger but not better. That Ironman look in 93 was jaw dropping in shape structure and detail. I only rate Yates 93 higher, I think 92 would have been close, Yates contest condition in person can never be under estimated though it made you look past his flaws post 93 as it was head to toe conditioning.
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GROWING UP IN NJ GASPARI REPORTEDY HAD HEART ATTACKS EVERY YEAR...LOL..
Christ...
Well I do recall he was rushed into hospital a few years back and given last minute stents, etc. Not sure that was posted about on here at the time. Hopefully all fixed now
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" In a attempt to save my right leg. A stent was put in my right peck that goes all the way down to my right leg.
Unfortunately the day after the emergency surgery the stent irrupted. Within seconds my right peck, shoulder and neck was full of Blood🩸 to the point were my neck was so swollen that I was losing consciousness due to not being able to breathe. My amazing doctors had to go in and do a emergency surgery to stop the blood loss. But due to me being on intravenous heparin ,
They had to wait 24 hours to make sure I wouldn’t bleed out. So I laid there screaming and hallucinating going in and out of consciousness. Due to the nerve damage and neuropathy. I lost full usage of my right peck, shoulder all the way down to my fingers. ( evidently blood and nerve endings/internal tissue don’t get along too well )
It wasnt a stent, it was a PTFE tube / bypass from his Axilla or Subclavian artery tunneled under his skin to his groin. Likely the anastomosis at his shoulder area let go, probably technical error, leading to massive hematoma /bleeding compressing nerves etc. Ultimately costing him his leg due to lacking circulation to his leg. There were / are other alternatives to fix his problem, can't be sure why they weren't performed. Sad
I had to learn how to do EVERYTHING!! I mean EVERYTHING ( FEEL ME ) Even write with my left hand.
I’ve gained about 20% of my right peck, arm and hand back so far... _____
Thank GOD for the little things 🙏🏾 Disabled. But I’m not disabled!!! 🙏🏾 "
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His arms are all messed up, see the start of this - https://www.instagram.com/officialflexwheeler/reel/C8pnPGSy3Gu/ .
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He's in the zone for a new one, transplanted kidneys don't last forever. My experience from watching a few transplant bodybuilders / strength athletes over the years, 15-20 years seems to be the transplanted kidney's lifespan. Flex had his transplant in 2003.
A woman who works for me had one last 28 years. She just had another transplant about 3 years ago. It was genetics for her to have kidney problems, and she tries to be healthy which is why I assume her first one lasted so long.
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+ he used synthol
Levrone never did.
Cormier not sure he might have done small amounts
Cormier supposedly said he's ok with synthol "if it's done like a woman using make up". His side delts were suspect looking but he was still way better than Flex at the 1999 Olympia.
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Agree never got dry like that again as he tried to get bigger, IMO if he brought that physique at that weight to every Olympia besides Yates 93 he might have won one. He lost detail as he got bigger but not better. That Ironman look in 93 was jaw dropping in shape structure and detail. I only rate Yates 93 higher, I think 92 would have been close, Yates contest condition in person can never be under estimated though it made you look past his flaws post 93 as it was head to toe conditioning.
I've said this a few times
He played the size game and lost
Should have just stayed with shape as he had this in spades
And yep his shape was better when he was lighter
King Zane even played the size game in 82 and lost
He went up to 200 and nearly all of the that size went to his midsection as he focused on pin pulls to "thicken up" too bad it basically just thickened up his waist/midsection
The next year in 83 he came in at his lightest ever at 180 he won 78 and 79 at 187 or so
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Cormier supposedly said he's ok with synthol "if it's done like a woman using make up". His side delts were suspect looking but he was still way better than Flex at the 1999 Olympia.
yeah I think he used in his delts and biceps at some point from what I can tell.
Ofcourse he looked way better before he did that like they all do. Oil never enhances a muscle imo, it just doesn't look right. I can't think of one case.
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yeah I think he used in his delts and biceps at some point from what I can tell.
Ofcourse he looked way better before he did that like they all do. Oil never enhances a muscle imo, it just doesn't look right. I can't think of one case.
bearing in mind pretty much every pro uses oil then Im sure some havent ruined themselves
Heath was rumoured to have oiled his arms for years
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Most pros have no idea about the intricacies of contest prep
Went to Robbie Robisnson seminar years ago, someone asked him about protien and carb ratios and the digestive system using acids and alkalies to break down food.
He looked at her and said "Off season I use a big bowl and pre-contest I use a small bowl"
Very scientific approach ! ;D
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Zane at his best when lighter
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bearing in mind pretty much every pro uses oil then Im sure some havent ruined themselves
Heath was rumoured to have oiled his arms for years
I don't think so. Ofcourse oil freaks like Bostin Loyd claimed that because it would make them feel better about themselves but no not true.
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i think all the oil in 98 is the reason for his roasted kidneys
It Might be , but the diuretics and drugs alone did damage and sent him to the hospital prior 98 in several occasions,
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHH Natural Wonder....... it's the Killer, Ninja Killer
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Most pros have no idea about the intricacies of contest prep
Went to Robbie Robisnson seminar years ago, someone asked him about protien and carb ratios and the digestive system using acids and alkalies to break down food.
He looked at her and said "Off season I use a big bowl and pre-contest I use a small bowl"
Very scientific approach ! ;D
I doubt the dumbf**k couldn't even spell 'bowl'! ;D
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I doubt the dumbf**k couldn't even spell 'bowl'! ;D
Or "ask". Maybe something wrong with their mouff.
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Zane at his best when lighter
Yep he was much better lighter
200 was too much for his frame
Mid-180's was his sweet spot
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I don't think so. Ofcourse oil freaks like Bostin Loyd claimed that because it would make them feel better about themselves but no not true.
They all use oil, unfortunate but true. Okay, you may find one or two who look like there's nothing but overall it's "everyone."
The most common is the delts. I would say on average roughly a quarter of the delt is from scar tissie/oil and no one wants to give that up. Almost without fail when you look at close-ups of a pro pumping up backstage or training you can see it. If not in a pics then in movies.
Like you said, it's ugly and as soon as I see it it detracts, but many can't see it and many don't even care. Blacks always do the calves. Most everyone does the arms at least to some extent but the delts is almost 100%
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They all use oil, unfortunate but true. Okay, you may find one or two who look like there's nothing but overall it's "everyone."
The most common is the delts. I would say on average roughly a quarter of the delt is from scar tissie/oil and no one wants to give that up. Almost without fail when you look at close-ups of a pro pumping up backstage or training you can see it. If not in a pics then in movies.
Like you said, it's ugly and as soon as I see it it detracts, but many can't see it and many don't even care. Blacks always do the calves. Most everyone does the arms at least to some extent but the delts is almost 100%
you mean carrier oils from injecting a ton of gear or actual synthol? because synthol stays in the muscle, doesn't dissapitate(it's meant to stay ofc)and causes all kinds of problems in the long run. There are studies about this. Necrosis of healthy tissue and what not.
But I mean if they Inject like 20+CC of gear in the delts that is alot of oil and will have a notable local swelling.
But yes I see some suspect side delts most notable last Olympia Hadis. Some others too but not as obvious.
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Fact is, all top bodybuilding competitors stress their organs to a suicidal degree.
They treat their innards like throwaway garbage, but then, when it’s time to pay the piper, it’s all go-fund-mes and send thoughts and prayers.
The endeavour is without question insane.
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you mean carrier oils from injecting a ton of gear or actual synthol? because synthol stays in the muscle, doesn't dissapitate(it's meant to stay ofc)and causes all kinds of problems in the long run. There are studies about this. Necrosis of healthy tissue and what not.
But I mean if they Inject like 20+CC of gear in the delts that is alot of oil and will have a notable local swelling.
But yes I see some suspect side delts most notable last Olympia Hadis. Some others too but not as obvious.
If that were true it wouldnt destroy your kidneys
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you mean carrier oils from injecting a ton of gear or actual synthol? because synthol stays in the muscle, doesn't dissapitate(it's meant to stay ofc)and causes all kinds of problems in the long run. There are studies about this. Necrosis of healthy tissue and what not.
But I mean if they Inject like 20+CC of gear in the delts that is alot of oil and will have a notable local swelling.
But yes I see some suspect side delts most notable last Olympia Hadis. Some others too but not as obvious.
There is no evidence that the oil (mct) doesn't dissipate. In fact many UG gear labs use MCT for their steroids because it's thin and supposedly easily dissipates. There are some ingredients in some of these oils to make it stay a little long, silica or collagen etc.
What I'm fairly positive about is that these site enhancement oils do is cause the muscle to produce massive amounts of scar tissue. That's the "permanent" part you see, although some of the size goes away once you stop. The sellers used to claim that once you stretched the facia with the oil the "empty" space would then fill up with real muscle, but most will now discount this theory.
Another factor to consider is how much oil you need to inject to create the Synthol effect. There are these plans on how to go about it on professionalmuscle. At some point you may be injecting like 9ml in biceps only per day, if I'm not mistaken (don't quote me on that) but my point is that you don't get these effects by mistake, it's hard work lol and most give up. Some don't get any effects regardless.
One bb by the name of Dusty Hanshaw claims he was able to create a lot of scar tissue in his triceps with Winstrol but that it didn't workfor his delts. Winstrol of course is a water based suspension, I think the crystals can cause some damage and the muscle responds with scar tissue. A heavyweight bb may use 20ml of more of gear per week but that's not enough to grow you arms and delts as much as these guys do, but sure, it may cause some "size" (damage) over the long term and everyone site injects, but for the pros it's mostly muscles like the lats, apart from the common ones.
So IMO almost all use and have used site enhancement oils in their delts in particular, because today you need delts where the rear delts can be seen from the front lol.
I have to comment on what joswift said, I haven't seen evidence nor heard of a possible mechanism whereby the kidneys could be damaged by medium chain triglycerides. If it was true you could damage your kidneys eating coconut oil.
What do you think about the "scar tissue hypothesis"?
Then there are the more temporary enhancements for shows:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8X7_3wuf_l/?igsh=MWJpMzdkZnpiYjZ0dg==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8aXLWhSPVX/?igsh=MWhsMHNldmZha3VtbQ==
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There is no evidence that the oil (mct) doesn't dissipate. In fact many UG gear labs use MCT for their steroids because it's thin and supposedly easily dissipates. There are some ingredients in some of these oils to make it stay a little long, silica or collagen etc.
What I'm fairly positive about is that these site enhancement oils do is cause the muscle to produce massive amounts of scar tissue. That's the "permanent" part you see, although some of the size goes away once you stop. The sellers used to claim that once you stretched the facia with the oil the "empty" space would then fill up with real muscle, but most will now discount this theory.
Another factor to consider is how much oil you need to inject to create the Synthol effect. There are these plans on how to go about it on professionalmuscle. At some point you may be injecting like 9ml in biceps only per day, if I'm not mistaken (don't quote me on that) but my point is that you don't get these effects by mistake, it's hard work lol and most give up. Some don't get any effects regardless.
One bb by the name of Dusty Hanshaw claims he was able to create a lot of scar tissue in his triceps with Winstrol but that it didn't workfor his delts. Winstrol of course is a water based suspension, I think the crystals can cause some damage and the muscle responds with scar tissue. A heavyweight bb may use 20ml of more of gear per week but that's not enough to grow you arms and delts as much as these guys do, but sure, it may cause some "size" (damage) over the long term and everyone site injects, but for the pros it's mostly muscles like the lats, apart from the common ones.
So IMO almost all use and have used site enhancement oils in their delts in particular, because today you need delts where the rear delts can be seen from the front lol.
I have to comment on what joswift said, I haven't seen evidence nor heard of a possible mechanism whereby the kidneys could be damaged by medium chain triglycerides. If it was true you could damage your kidneys eating coconut oil.
What do you think about the "scar tissue hypothesis"?
Then there are the more temporary enhancements for shows:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8X7_3wuf_l/?igsh=MWJpMzdkZnpiYjZ0dg==
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8aXLWhSPVX/?igsh=MWhsMHNldmZha3VtbQ==
do you think there may be a difference in eating something or injecting it on how the kidneys react to it?
Coconut oil goes through your digestive system before it gets into your blood stream
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I really doubt he has bad kidneys , likely spinal inflamation
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I really doubt he has bad kidneys , likely spinal inflamation
Thanks Doc...
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do you think there may be a difference in eating something or injecting it on how the kidneys react to it?
Coconut oil goes through your digestive system before it gets into your blood stream
I mean there could be, but I haven't seen a mechanism of how it could be toxic. I think instinctively there shouldn't be as it's not converted in the digestion process to something more benign, assuming something about it was toxic. There hasn't ever been a suggestion that any of the other carrier oils are toxic either, not that I've seen. Some the benzyl alcohol in all l injected steroids and Synthol is toxic, which it surely is but I don't know of it's a concern at such low doses, never seen any mention of it in the literature except speculation by forum posters.
I know, overly long posts by me over something so trivial ;D
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What everyone is forgetting is bb’ing is not an exact science, nothing beats listening to your body. The old adage “you are your own best doctor” springs to mind. However this doesn’t mean anything to most people as most seem to have no intuition (like common sense isn’t common) and will do or take whatever doctor says and don’t listen to their own body. Listen to your body’s whispers or you will be forced to hear it’s screams
Yoga and breathing diaphragmatically teaches you mind muscle connection
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another one that needs kidneys
I remember when he was up-and-coming, he looked great with his arms and aestetics. Would be perfect for classic physique division today.
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McGrath was born with only one kidney and he fucked up the other one
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Really?... One kidney... Definately chose the wrong sport then :-\
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They all use oil, unfortunate but true. Okay, you may find one or two who look like there's nothing but overall it's "everyone."
The most common is the delts. I would say on average roughly a quarter of the delt is from scar tissie/oil and no one wants to give that up. Almost without fail when you look at close-ups of a pro pumping up backstage or training you can see it. If not in a pics then in movies.
Like you said, it's ugly and as soon as I see it it detracts, but many can't see it and many don't even care. Blacks always do the calves. Most everyone does the arms at least to some extent but the delts is almost 100%
You couldn't pay me to put that shit in my delts or arms
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Fact is, all top bodybuilding competitors stress their organs to a suicidal degree.
They treat their innards like throwaway garbage, but then, when it’s time to pay the piper, it’s all go-fund-mes and send thoughts and prayers.
The endeavour is without question insane.
Lee Haney is healthy as can be Dorian seems to be very healthy as well other than back problems we have not heard of Ronnie having any issues either hell Arnold is still alive and in shape
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What everyone is forgetting is bb’ing is not an exact science, nothing beats listening to your body. The old adage “you are your own best doctor” springs to mind. However this doesn’t mean anything to most people as most seem to have no intuition (like common sense isn’t common) and will do or take whatever doctor says and don’t listen to their own body. Listen to your body’s whispers or you will be forced to hear it’s screams
Yoga and breathing diaphragmatically teaches you mind muscle connection
I taught my 4 year old diaphragmatic breathing and breath holds this weekend for diving in the pool he actually got almost instantly better at it. It not a bad idea before a big set heavy either or a PR attempt
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I taught my 4 year old diaphragmatic breathing and breath holds this weekend for diving in the pool he actually got almost instantly better at it. It not a bad idea before a big set heavy either or a PR attempt
lol at big heavy set..
chest workout
1 30 reps bench
1 x 20 reps bench
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You couldn't pay me to put that shit in my delts or arms
No point - you're already at the top of the game
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You couldn't pay me to put that shit in my delts or arms
semantics, you already did it for free
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What everyone is forgetting is bb’ing is not an exact science, nothing beats listening to your body. The old adage “you are your own best doctor” springs to mind. However this doesn’t mean anything to most people as most seem to have no intuition (like common sense isn’t common) and will do or take whatever doctor says and don’t listen to their own body. Listen to your body’s whispers or you will be forced to hear it’s screams
Yoga and breathing diaphragmatically teaches you mind muscle connection
Good post !!
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Lee Haney is healthy as can be Dorian seems to be very healthy as well other than back problems we have not heard of Ronnie having any issues either hell Arnold is still alive and in shape
Saying Ronnie has "back problems" is like saying your hair is thinning.
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Saying Ronnie has "back problems" is like saying your hair is thinning.
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lol at big heavy set..
chest workout
1 30 reps bench
1 x 20 reps bench
You have admitted you don't even bench press meanwhile everyone saw me press 315lbs earlier this year despite a torn pec so how the fuck are you going to talk to me about bench pressing?
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semantics, you already did it for free
Nope not a drop Hater
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I taught my 4 year old diaphragmatic breathing and breath holds this weekend for diving in the pool he actually got almost instantly better at it. It not a bad idea before a big set heavy either or a PR attempt
good to see you are getting the important stuff sorted
how about teaching him to read and write/ hold a crayon instead of eating it/ socialising with other kids? Is he still going got be a killer wrestler? What was your D-1 record again?
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But did he fight his classmates every day at school?
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"McGrath was a skinny and undersized child compared to his classmates at the time and would always get picked last to be on teams during physical activities, which led him to begin weight training."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_McGrath_(bodybuilder)
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You have admitted you don't even bench press meanwhile everyone saw me press 315lbs earlier this year despite a torn pec so how the fuck are you going to talk to me about bench pressing?
You suck.
Hahahahahahahahahaha
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Soon there will be a “RIP flex wheeler” the way things are going
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Soon there will be a “RIP flex wheeler” the way things are going
I'm surprised he made it this long.
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I'm surprised he made it this long.
Exactly. Actually very, very impressive survival power. Many would have given up on life, offed themselves...
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Exactly. Actually very, very impressive survival power. Many would have given up on life, offed themselves...
I don't think so. The instinct for survival and keep living is just about the strongest instinct anyone has regardless circumstance.
Offing yourself is not normal. I don't know where you get this notion, maybe hanging around to many drug addicts(?).. :D Usually it happens because of something is wrong in the brain inherently or because brain chemistry changing because of drugs. I mean how many of the population does suicide. 1 in 10000 people? not even
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Exactly. Actually very, very impressive survival power. Many would have given up on life, offed themselves...
And that's why all our donations to his GoFundMe page were relevant. We must keep the legend alive.
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A new kidney doesnt need Flex Wheeler
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I don't think so. The instinct for survival and keep living is just about the strongest instinct anyone has regardless circumstance.
Offing yourself is not normal. I don't know where you get this notion, maybe hanging around to many drug addicts(?).. :D Usually it happens because of something is wrong in the brain inherently or because brain chemistry changing because of drugs. I mean how many of the population does suicide. 1 in 10000 people? not even
I don't hang around any drug addicts, I don't even hang around any steroid users except my once a week training partner.
I actually don't know any suicides, maybe that in itself is uncommon, I don't know. HOWEVER, what I do know is common, and I'm sure you know many, is the slow suicide, where you descend into drug abuse and/or where you stop doing normal activities or socialising because you are so sick physically and then mentally. In the US you have the "deaths by despair" of the opioid epidemic. Once someone starts using heroin, isn't that a suicide? But basically, Flex seems to "get around" still and says he isn't using hard drugs, though "addicted" to roids in his own words lol. So I think a slow suicide isn't that uncommon in Flex's circumstances?
"They" always say suicides in western societies are increasing, though far from "normal" still...
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I taught my 4 year old diaphragmatic breathing and breath holds this weekend for diving in the pool he actually got almost instantly better at it. It not a bad idea before a big set heavy either or a PR attempt
Lol bullshit
You said yourself, your son was in therapy because he couldn't hold a pencil.
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Lol bullshit
You said yourself, your son was in therapy because he couldn't hold a pencil.
hahahahahahaha
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Soon there will be a “RIP flex wheeler” the way things are going
Not under Guy Citernino's watch
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHH
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Not under Guy Citernino's watch
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHH
LOL, Guy will shit himself if he's a match. I'd be willing to bet if it lines up to where Guy has to cough up a kidney, he'll find a way to back out.
If he does go through with it then maybe he's a better person than I thought.
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I don't hang around any drug addicts, I don't even hang around any steroid users except my once a week training partner.
I actually don't know any suicides, maybe that in itself is uncommon, I don't know. HOWEVER, what I do know is common, and I'm sure you know many, is the slow suicide, where you descend into drug abuse and/or where you stop doing normal activities or socialising because you are so sick physically and then mentally. In the US you have the "deaths by despair" of the opioid epidemic. Once someone starts using heroin, isn't that a suicide? But basically, Flex seems to "get around" still and says he isn't using hard drugs, though "addicted" to roids in his own words lol. So I think a slow suicide isn't that uncommon in Flex's circumstances?
"They" always say suicides in western societies are increasing, though far from "normal" still...
Idk if addiction to drugs can be synonymous to suicide. I think often it's living in denial of the consequenses of the drugs, and alot of time accepting the risks involved.. We humans do alot of risky things because it makes us feel good. Some are addicted to adrenaline of fast cars, some climbing buildings, others doing drugs like coke and partying, because they feel good or change their mindset to be more fun and outgoing etc.. Alot of the harder drugs are for coping with a hard life i.e. numbing themselves. Idk but I don't think that's slow suicide in their mind but maybe.
You use steroids, is that slow suicide? Or is it just that you accepted the risks involved, because it's what makes you feel good?
btw. I was suprised you don't hang out with like more people in the "industry"/gym business, because how much you know about steroids/use it etc. But maybe people keep more to themselves especially getting older.
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Idk if addiction to drugs can be synonymous to suicide. I think often it's living in denial of the consequenses of the drugs, and alot of time accepting the risks involved.. We humans do alot of risky things because it makes us feel good. Some are addicted to adrenaline of fast cars, some climbing buildings, others doing drugs like coke and partying, because they feel good or change their mindset to be more fun and outgoing etc.. Alot of the harder drugs are for coping with a hard life i.e. numbing themselves. Idk but I don't think that's slow suicide in their mind but maybe.
You use steroids, is that slow suicide? Or is it just that you accepted the risks involved, because it's what makes you feel good?
btw. I was suprised you don't hang out with like more people in the "industry"/gym business, because how much you know about steroids/use it etc. But maybe people keep more to themselves especially getting older.
I read a book once and this guy called cigarettes the slowest form of suicide.
I don’t think it’s suicide and instead just an unhealthy coping mechanism.
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I read a book once and this guy called cigarettes the slowest form of suicide.
I don’t think it’s suicide and instead just an unhealthy coping mechanism.
Yeah. And throw in some ignorance/stupidity
but then again who am I to speak I started on some AAS. That certainly not improving my health long term.
but then again, I assessed the risk and thought it was worth it for looking a feeling better for a larger part of my life..
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Idk if addiction to drugs can be synonymous to suicide. I think often it's living in denial of the consequenses of the drugs, and alot of time accepting the risks involved.. We humans do alot of risky things because it makes us feel good. Some are addicted to adrenaline of fast cars, some climbing buildings, others doing drugs like coke and partying, because they feel good or change their mindset to be more fun and outgoing etc.. Alot of the harder drugs are for coping with a hard life i.e. numbing themselves. Idk but I don't think that's slow suicide in their mind but maybe.
You use steroids, is that slow suicide? Or is it just that you accepted the risks involved, because it's what makes you feel good?
btw. I was suprised you don't hang out with like more people in the "industry"/gym business, because how much you know about steroids/use it etc. But maybe people keep more to themselves especially getting older.
I'm an introvert by nature so I don't "hang out" with many people period :D I've gotten to know people in the gym and then some competitors and so on but I'm mostly in the shadows lol. A couple of guys have tried make me start "bodybuilding guruing" but I'm like there's not that much to know and I'm not the guy who pretends there are "secrets" to this :D
The whole "coaching" industry we see on social media is so much fake balonie, at least to me. But whatever...
You know how they say bodybuilding attracts fucked up people? It's true, and in my case too. I took too many risks with drugs because I was self destructive in a way. So steroids were not completely suicidal for me but there was a self-desrtuctive element for sure. Getbig is very aware of the fucked-uppedness of bodybuilding adjacent groups :D
Drug use, things like coke can be something you do every now and then and could just as well leave it, at least to some. For some percentage it becomes a problem, I don't know how many percentage-wise. But it doesn't have to be a slow suicide. But I would say that if you take heroin, or the pharma equivalent oxycodone, you are probably in a bad place to start. Because you know beforehand how it can fuck you up. My training partner and myself took some tramadol and then he said he could get some oxycodone, but I was like do you really trust yourself with it? Probably not he said lol. We decided it wasn't worth the risk. I mentioned the opioid epidemic in the US in my post, that devastated whole towns, and "they" link it to loss of industry and jobs and generally poor prospects in life. In these cases it probably isn't just chasing kicks, it's probably that you've given up in a sense but you don't want/dare to end it immediately. Maybe? If anyone else has a different perspective on why people abuse pain killers I want to hear it. Of course there is the % that is addicted through legitimate Rx's but apart from those.
Lartinos mentioned cigarettes... now that is a fucked up thing to start nowadays. Talk about bad risk vs reward ratio. Thankfully it seems like cigarette use had gone down a lot. Now it's the vaping, I don't know if it's a big "problem" society should worry about, probably not. Australia will now ban all the flavored vapes I read.
Anyway, just some thoughts. But very obvious ones I think. 8)
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Yeah. And throw in some ignorance/stupidity
but then again who am I to speak I started on some AAS. That certainly not improving my health long term.
but then again, I assessed the risk and thought it was worth it for looking a feeling better for a larger part of my life..
Just keep tabs on your blood pressure and I think the risk is pretty small. In some small contexts steroids do not HAVE TO shorten life nowadays, I don't think. Though most steroid shitfluencers do admit all steroid use above HRT is destructive, even if by a very small amount. Probably, maybe lol, then again maybe not, maybe that fall/hip fracture in old age doesn't kill you because you're strong due to the drugs... ;D
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I'm an introvert by nature so I don't "hang out" with many people period :D I've gotten to know people in the gym and then some competitors and so on but I'm mostly in the shadows lol. A couple of guys have tried make me start "bodybuilding guruing" but I'm like there's not that much to know and I'm not the guy who pretends there are "secrets" to this :D
The whole "coaching" industry we see on social media is so much fake balonie, at least to me. But whatever...
You know how they say bodybuilding attracts fucked up people? It's true, and in my case too. I took too many risks with drugs because I was self destructive in a way. So steroids were not completely suicidal for me but there was a self-desrtuctive element for sure. Getbig is very aware of the fucked-uppedness of bodybuilding adjacent groups :D
Drug use, things like coke can be something you do every now and then and could just as well leave it, at least to some. For some percentage it becomes a problem, I don't know how many percentage-wise. But it doesn't have to be a slow suicide. But I would say that if you take heroin, or the pharma equivalent oxycodone, you are probably in a bad place to start. Because you know beforehand how it can fuck you up. My training partner and myself took some tramadol and then he said he could get some oxycodone, but I was like do you really trust yourself with it? Probably not he said lol. We decided it wasn't worth the risk. I mentioned the opioid epidemic in the US in my post, that devastated whole towns, and "they" link it to loss of industry and jobs and generally poor prospects in life. In these cases it probably isn't just chasing kicks, it's probably that you've given up in a sense but you don't want/dare to end it immediately. Maybe? If anyone else has a different perspective on why people abuse pain killers I want to hear it. Of course there is the % that is addicted through legitimate Rx's but apart from those.
Lartinos mentioned cigarettes... now that is a fucked up thing to start nowadays. Talk about bad risk vs reward ratio. Thankfully it seems like cigarette use had gone down a lot. Now it's the vaping, I don't know if it's a big "problem" society should worry about, probably not. Australia will now ban all the flavored vapes I read.
Anyway, just some thoughts. But very obvious ones I think. 8)
It's part of Human nature - The seed's of self destruction are within us all,
To a Greater or lesser extent - we all have our vices good or bad.
If folks flat out abuse different drugs then the % of dying earlier than you
would've rises - clearly many think it's a risk worth taking.
using very hard drugs that clearly fuck people up quickly is beyond me,
We never see anyone who's been using Heroin / Crack etc for a while
looking healthy & good.
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Just keep tabs on your blood pressure and I think the risk is pretty small. In some small contexts steroids do not HAVE TO shorten life nowadays, I don't think. Though most steroid shitfluencers do admit all steroid use above HRT is destructive, even if by a very small amount. Probably, maybe lol, then again maybe not, maybe that fall/hip fracture in old age doesn't kill you because you're strong due to the drugs... ;D
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Watched a podcast with B Chavez and some Australian guy and they that using 5-7 grams of gear for kilo is rather harmless as far as blood readings Thier clients had on these doseage levels
They said 10 or more mgs per kilo is when things start to go downhill and become unhealthy
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I'm an introvert by nature so I don't "hang out" with many people period :D I've gotten to know people in the gym and then some competitors and so on but I'm mostly in the shadows lol. A couple of guys have tried make me start "bodybuilding guruing" but I'm like there's not that much to know and I'm not the guy who pretends there are "secrets" to this :D
The whole "coaching" industry we see on social media is so much fake balonie, at least to me. But whatever...
You know how they say bodybuilding attracts fucked up people? It's true, and in my case too. I took too many risks with drugs because I was self destructive in a way. So steroids were not completely suicidal for me but there was a self-desrtuctive element for sure. Getbig is very aware of the fucked-uppedness of bodybuilding adjacent groups :D
Drug use, things like coke can be something you do every now and then and could just as well leave it, at least to some. For some percentage it becomes a problem, I don't know how many percentage-wise. But it doesn't have to be a slow suicide. But I would say that if you take heroin, or the pharma equivalent oxycodone, you are probably in a bad place to start. Because you know beforehand how it can fuck you up. My training partner and myself took some tramadol and then he said he could get some oxycodone, but I was like do you really trust yourself with it? Probably not he said lol. We decided it wasn't worth the risk. I mentioned the opioid epidemic in the US in my post, that devastated whole towns, and "they" link it to loss of industry and jobs and generally poor prospects in life. In these cases it probably isn't just chasing kicks, it's probably that you've given up in a sense but you don't want/dare to end it immediately. Maybe? If anyone else has a different perspective on why people abuse pain killers I want to hear it. Of course there is the % that is addicted through legitimate Rx's but apart from those.
Lartinos mentioned cigarettes... now that is a fucked up thing to start nowadays. Talk about bad risk vs reward ratio. Thankfully it seems like cigarette use had gone down a lot. Now it's the vaping, I don't know if it's a big "problem" society should worry about, probably not. Australia will now ban all the flavored vapes I read.
Anyway, just some thoughts. But very obvious ones I think. 8)
No I get it. Im more reserved too. Alot of people on message boards are(loner types) I think otherwise we wouldnt sit and write long posts, venting to people we don't even know real well or irl :D But, I can find more relatable people on the internet so that's my excuse, well aside from being a fcked up loner type. But anyways I used to go to gyms and found some friends there. But lost contact with them now, located to new city because kids/house etc. I should start going to gyms again meet more likeminded, stopped going to gyms after covid, have my home gym only. Probably can't relate to them anyways but it's fun in a way when you start getting to know people in the local gym.. Doesn't matter much but fun to have some training partners that are in to the same bs.Not that Im super serious about this it's just that I can't really find something im that interested in/other hobbies, lol
Anyways, on a completly different note I have a question for you, I read on flashback there's alot of police busts(razzias ) going on now. Do you know about that? because I needed to order some AI and other stuff(beginnig gyno) and I guess not a good idea right now then. Do you even order online or do you have other connects?
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His wifey was pretty hot
Not super slim like I like but still thin enough but of course she ain't for Kwon
And Kwon if you are reading this book yourself up on the welive dating app it's full of plus sized fatties you'd go nuts me thinks 😁
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I read a book once and this guy called cigarettes the slowest form of suicide.
I don’t think it’s suicide and instead just an unhealthy coping mechanism.
Eating too much would be right up there with smoking.
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Anyways, on a completly different note I have a question for you, I read on flashback there's alot of police busts(razzias ) going on now. Do you know about that? because I needed to order some AI and other stuff(beginnig gyno) and I guess not a good idea right now then. Do you even order online or do you have other connects?
There's always talk about raids and you occasionally hear about cops testing gym goers. I think steroid raids probably aren't proritised in the big cities with gang activity. I don't buy gear online, I've been lucky to still know a couple of guys who get stuff IRL. I don't recommend anything but I wouldn't sweat ordering AIs at all. They aren't classified like that, you just can't sell them, but nothing can happen to you if you buy these types of drugs. There's also these EU laws that say if something is legal in one EU country it's legal in all, which means you can order a bunch of "drugs" which can't be sold in Sweden but which are legal to buy. You have tons of UK and EU supplement shops selling "pro-hormones" like Superdrol and I wouldn't worry about ordering them, at worst they just confiscate it. My buddy said there's some Swedish sites now selling very cheap Cialis and Viagra as well as cheap GH. We want to order but who of us will learn to buy with crypto? I haven't set it up yet lol.
So if I found a Swedish or EU site selling Arimidex or Letrozole or Tamoxifen I wouldn't hesitate, but that's just me. But I prefer the ease of just using a credit card. As long as it's not controlled as narcotics or AAS, no worry.
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There's always talk about raids and you occasionally hear about cops testing gym goers. I think steroid raids probably aren't proritised in the big cities with gang activity. I don't buy gear online, I've been lucky to still know a couple of guys who get stuff IRL. I don't recommend anything but I wouldn't sweat ordering AIs at all. They aren't classified like that, you just can't sell them, but nothing can happen to you if you buy these types of drugs. There's also these EU laws that say if something is legal in one EU country it's legal in all, which means you can order a bunch of "drugs" which can't be sold in Sweden but which are legal to buy. You have tons of UK and EU supplement shops selling "pro-hormones" like Superdrol and I wouldn't worry about ordering them, at worst they just confiscate it. My buddy said there's some Swedish sites now selling very cheap Cialis and Viagra as well as cheap GH. We want to order but who of us will learn to buy with crypto? I haven't set it up yet lol.
So if I found a Swedish or EU site selling Arimidex or Letrozole or Tamoxifen I wouldn't hesitate, but that's just me. But I prefer the ease of just using a credit card. As long as it's not controlled as narcotics or AAS, no worry.
What do you think of chavez saying 5-7 mg of gear per kilo is relatively safe and benign and your bloodwork will still look rather ok but when you get to 10+ it will be more fucked up?
His co host said he noticed the exact same thing with his clients
So to me that means I can run 350 to 500 which is exactly what I do
If I'd go 700+ I'd be playing with fire
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Eating too much would be right up there with smoking.
Years ago went to the cardiologist to see if there was any damage from hormone use. He kept asking me if i smoked, disregarding the steroid use. At the end of the consultation he just said "just don't start smoking and you will be fine"
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Eating too much would be right up there with smoking.
"too much" of anything by definition isnt good for you.
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There's always talk about raids and you occasionally hear about cops testing gym goers. I think steroid raids probably aren't proritised in the big cities with gang activity. I don't buy gear online, I've been lucky to still know a couple of guys who get stuff IRL. I don't recommend anything but I wouldn't sweat ordering AIs at all. They aren't classified like that, you just can't sell them, but nothing can happen to you if you buy these types of drugs. There's also these EU laws that say if something is legal in one EU country it's legal in all, which means you can order a bunch of "drugs" which can't be sold in Sweden but which are legal to buy. You have tons of UK and EU supplement shops selling "pro-hormones" like Superdrol and I wouldn't worry about ordering them, at worst they just confiscate it. My buddy said there's some Swedish sites now selling very cheap Cialis and Viagra as well as cheap GH. We want to order but who of us will learn to buy with crypto? I haven't set it up yet lol.
So if I found a Swedish or EU site selling Arimidex or Letrozole or Tamoxifen I wouldn't hesitate, but that's just me. But I prefer the ease of just using a credit card. As long as it's not controlled as narcotics or AAS, no worry.
Yes that is very noticable in all aspects with crime, all crime are downprioritized because of the massive problems they have with immirgrant/non white crime/gangs. But still when they have things that is easy for them to do because of tools they have to their disposal they will use it from time to time(maybe just to better their statistics in an easy way :D ). Interesting with the EU law thing. Wasn't aware of that.
Btw. Buying with crypto is easy as hell, don't be hesitant of that. Naturally it's better than your credit card online because it's much harder to trace the transaction to you incase police wants investigate(small chance anyways maybe). But try start with a small order of 500sek or whatever just to try it.. Create a user on "Safello"- on there just transfer money from your visa/whatver cc, to your crypto wallet on safello. When you purchase on the steroid webwite you will recieve a crypto wallet code, the sellers wallet, and you just tranfer the amount in crypto. Safello takes a small fee so that has to be accounted for by you. Also use the Tor browser and encrypted mail like proton to shop on those sites.
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"too much" of anything by definition isnt good for you.
Sex with beautiful women?
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Yes that is very noticable in all aspects with crime, all crime are downprioritized because of the massive problems they have with immirgrant/non white crime/gangs. But still when they have things that is easy for them to do because of tools they have to their disposal they will use it from time to time(maybe just to better their statistics in an easy way :D ). Interesting with the EU law thing. Wasn't aware of that.
Btw. Buying with crypto is easy as hell, don't be hesitant of that. Naturally it's better than your credit card online because it's much harder to trace the transaction to you incase police wants investigate(small chance anyways maybe). But try start with a small order of 500sek or whatever just to try it.. Create a user on "Safello"- on there just transfer money from your visa/whatver cc, to your crypto wallet on safello. When you purchase on the steroid webwite you will recieve a crypto wallet code, the sellers wallet, and you just tranfer the amount in crypto. Safello takes a small fee so that has to be accounted for by you. Also use the Tor browser and encrypted mail like proton to shop on those sites.
Thanks, you make it sound easy lol. I've started to read a few guides on how to do it but always give up because it looks so complicated. I don't really care about absolute anonymity, not with PEDs, but supposedly there's still ways to do that with crypto but you have to transfer funds between wallets or whatever.
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What do you think of chavez saying 5-7 mg of gear per kilo is relatively safe and benign and your bloodwork will still look rather ok but when you get to 10+ it will be more fucked up?
His co host said he noticed the exact same thing with his clients
So to me that means I can run 350 to 500 which is exactly what I do
If I'd go 700+ I'd be playing with fire
Honestly, I don't do very frequent blood work nor do any of my buddies, so I have no experience to draw on. But I'd be pretty surprised if there was hard cutoff where sides start, but maybe there is. But you will never go close to 700 again so you're safe right? Lol ;D
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Sex with beautiful women?
too much sex with beautiful women is by definion not a positive thing
"too much" being the operative statement
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Honestly, I don't do very frequent blood work nor do any of my buddies, so I have no experience to draw on. But I'd be pretty surprised if there was hard cutoff where sides start, but maybe there is. But you will never go close to 700 again so you're safe right? Lol ;D
Hahahaha
As long as I don't ran var dbol and drol at the same time
Still waiting on vigorous Steve deep dive on deca
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Years ago went to the cardiologist to see if there was any damage from hormone use. He kept asking me if i smoked, disregarding the steroid use. At the end of the consultation he just said "just don't start smoking and you will be fine"
Plenty of scientific articles online that report about serious heart risks due to steroid use:
https://www.ergo-log.com/cardiovascular-side-effects-of-steroids.html
The site has many excellent articles on heart damage and steroid use:
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7117181179885591:4103325817&ie=UTF-8&q=heart&sa=Search&ref=www.ergogenics.org/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=heart%20steroids
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Flex is refusing to die for us bitches
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Flex is refusing to die for us bitches
Patience Brah - not long now...
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Hahahaha
As long as I don't ran var dbol and drol at the same time
Still waiting on vigorous Steve deep dive on deca
Come on man, what's he gonna say that's going to change anything for us? ;D You know me I've been thinking about this shit altogether too much, but I "always" knew that no matter what someone discovers about these compounds it's unlikely to fundamentally change how we use them. More drugs = more effects, there's not going to be some better dosing scheme for better results. That's why I just can't watch all these videos, there's not going to be anything new ;D 8)
There must be some way for you to view Instagram there. Google it or something. There's this fella named "Jordon Oakley" who is just a bro but is right more than wrong and who calls out all these fools lol.
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Plenty of scientific articles online that report about serious heart risks due to steroid use:
https://www.ergo-log.com/cardiovascular-side-effects-of-steroids.html
The site has many excellent articles on heart damage and steroid use:
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7117181179885591:4103325817&ie=UTF-8&q=heart&sa=Search&ref=www.ergogenics.org/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=heart%20steroids
I think we all want simple slogans and "facts" and doctors say them too even though they know it's more nuanced. Falco 100% positively knows all that you reference, he won't argue, I'm pretty positive. 8)
I think comparatively and relatively to many other drugs and cigs steroids are fairly safe especially in the short run which doesn't mean they can't and won't cause real problems 8)
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Come on man, what's he gonna say that's going to change anything for us? ;D You know me I've been thinking about this shit altogether too much, but I "always" knew that no matter what someone discovers about these compounds it's unlikely to fundamentally change how we use them. More drugs = more effects, there's not going to be some better dosing scheme for better results. That's why I just can't watch all these videos, there's not going to be anything new ;D 8)
There must be some way for you to view Instagram there. Google it or something. There's this fella named "Jordon Oakley" who is just a bro but is right more than wrong and who calls out all these fools lol.
You really think more is always better?
Some say test tops put at 1.25 grams or so after that it doesn't really do anything more
There's gotta be an optimum dose where you get the most results with the least sides and if you go past that point the results are.much less and tue sides become more ch greater
Optimal brother not more is better but... PRECISE IS BEST 😎😎😎
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Plenty of scientific articles online that report about serious heart risks due to steroid use:
https://www.ergo-log.com/cardiovascular-side-effects-of-steroids.html
The site has many excellent articles on heart damage and steroid use:
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-7117181179885591:4103325817&ie=UTF-8&q=heart&sa=Search&ref=www.ergogenics.org/#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=heart%20steroids
The doctor probably looked at my massive 190lbs and laughed inwards, thinking: "Does this guy even lift?"
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You really think more is always better?
Some say test tops put at 1.25 grams or so after that it doesn't really do anything more
There's gotta be an optimum dose where you get the most results with the least sides and if you go past that point the results are.much less and tue sides become more ch greater
Optimal brother not more is better but... PRECISE IS BEST 😎😎😎
Hehe we've debated this endlessly already, but to elaborate even further, by "more effects" I meant both positive and negative effects. It's always a case of weighing positives against the sides so yes there can be an optimal dose so to speak. But what I'm getting at is that it's unlikely Vig Steve can tell you where your optimal is, you've already done all the different doses so you know how you respond.
I think we already agreed that after a certain dose you don't get much more out of increasing further so it's close to useless even if there is a tiny bit more effect. Maybe you're referring to what I posted a while back about some forum fella saying that test anabolism probably tops out at about 1500mg/week? The guy claimed that if you looked at the data from the test studies some statistitian could predict the positive effect should top out thereabouts. I have NO idea if the guy is right but he seems pretty sharp.
So I think we are maybe thinking about minutiae that has no practical relevance ??? :D I'm pretty positive no bodybuilder will improve by worrying about all this. 8)
EDIT: furthermore I think it's the exact same with lifting. You can theorise to no end but more "science" is unlikely to change how we actually lift best. Even if we find a tiny bit more optimal routine it will not change our approximate development limit, at best it might get us there faster. Like the insufferable Victor Black says, there's absolutely nothing new of relevance in bodybuilding since at least 30 years. Many getbiggers have always said the same. And again, like always lol, I hope I'm not coming across as lecturing or as if I think I always know best, it's just my personal opinion and may not be worth much. 8)
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Hehe we've debated this endlessly already, but to elaborate even further, by "more effects" I meant both positive and negative effects. It's always a case of weighing positives against the sides so yes there can be an optimal dose so to speak. But what I'm getting at is that it's unlikely Vig Steve can tell you where your optimal is, you've already done all the different doses so you know how you respond.
I think we already agreed that after a certain dose you don't get much more out of increasing further so it's close to useless even if there is a tiny bit more effect. Maybe you're referring to what I posted a while back about some forum fella saying that test anabolism probably tops out at about 1500mg/week? The guy claimed that if you looked at the data from the test studies some statistitian could predict the positive effect should top out thereabouts. I have NO idea if the guy is right but he seems pretty sharp.
So I think we are maybe thinking about minutiae that has no practical relevance ??? :D I'm pretty positive no bodybuilder will improve by worrying about all this. 8)
EDIT: furthermore I think it's the exact same with lifting. You can theorise to no end but more "science" is unlikely to change how we actually lift best. Even if we find a tiny bit more optimal routine it will not change our approximate development limit, at best it might get us there faster. Like the insufferable Victor Black says, there's absolutely nothing new of relevance in bodybuilding since at least 30 years. Many getbiggers have always said the same. And again, like always lol, I hope I'm not coming across as lecturing or as if I think I always know best, it's just my personal opinion and may not be worth much. 8)
So I see your a big fan of big Vic black 😂😂😂
Your good buddy vig Steve said var tops out at 25 mgs and and trens optimal dose is ,25 mgs per week of bodyweight in kg so for a 100 kg fella that is 25 mgs tren PER WEEK not per day he said it's anabolism falls off at that dose and then it just becomes much more androgenic
They did a study on var doseage and found that 40 mgs is almost as good as 80 mgs which was only a very small increase but they found that 40 was a good deal better than 20
Drols optimumal dose is 100 and 150 is not much better like var with 40 Vs 80
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So I see your a big fan of big Vic black 😂😂😂
Your good buddy vig Steve said var tops out at 25 mgs and and trens optimal dose is ,25 mgs per week of bodyweight in kg so for a 100 kg fella that is 25 mgs tren PER WEEK not per day he said it's anabolism falls off at that dose and then it just becomes much more androgenic
They did a study on var doseage and found that 40 mgs is almost as good as 80 mgs which was only a very small increase but they found that 40 was a good deal better than 20
Drols optimumal dose is 100 and 150 is not much better like var with 40 Vs 80
I shouldn't doubt you, but Vig really said he ran tren at 25mg a week and it's really effective? And optimal dose is at that range too? That's wild. I'm too lazy and I don't want to suffer through his videos to check but if you say so ok. But I mean Parabolan was prescribed at like 76mg every 10 days (50mg pure tren discounting the fatty ester).
From memory I think 100mg drol wasn't even much better than 50mg, and caused higher liver enzymes, but like always there's limitations to studies, I think that one was in geriatric 65+ year olds lol. I have no doubt most of the effects are seen at lower doses but things may be a bit different in bodybuilders using a lot of other drugs like GH at the same time. I ran a lot of Dianabol only cycles when I was young and for me it seemed like it mostly topped out at 50-60mg a day, I didn't seem to gain more by tripling it.
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How’s Flex holding up?
What organ or bodypart crapped out this week?
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I shouldn't doubt you, but Vig really said he ran tren at 25mg a week and it's really effective? And optimal dose is at that range too? That's wild. I'm too lazy and I don't want to suffer through his videos to check but if you say so ok. But I mean Parabolan was prescribed at like 76mg every 10 days (50mg pure tren discounting the fatty ester).
From memory I think 100mg drol wasn't even much better than 50mg, and caused higher liver enzymes, but like always there's limitations to studies, I think that one was in geriatric 65+ year olds lol. I have no doubt most of the effects are seen at lower doses but things may be a bit different in bodybuilders using a lot of other drugs like GH at the same time. I ran a lot of Dianabol only cycles when I was young and for me it seemed like it mostly topped out at 50-60mg a day, I didn't seem to gain more by tripling it.
He.did some calculations based on all the studies on it he came across and he said that number/calculation is the tipping point and after that most the anabolic effects are gone and the androgenic effects take over but who the hell can shoot 3 mgs of tren a day, its impossible to measure out in a 100 ml slin pin
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How’s Flex holding up?
What organ or bodypart crapped out this week?
His legs. Oh...wait.
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Lets be kind:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/let039s-help-our-sultan-of-symmetry-flex-wheeler
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Lets be kind:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/let039s-help-our-sultan-of-symmetry-flex-wheeler
I can help with his symmetry, just take his other leg off.
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He.did some calculations based on all the studies on it he came across and he said that number/calculation is the tipping point and after that most the anabolic effects are gone and the androgenic effects take over but who the hell can shoot 3 mgs of tren a day, its impossible to measure out in a 100 ml slin pin
I remember I wrote a long post for you on how easy it is to dose very low, you simply dilute it :D On another forum some do enhanced-trt or sports-hrt with very low daily doses, for example 10-15mg test with 5mg trestolone daily and they claim they can feel even 5mg of tren or trest when compared to just physiological test doses such as 10mg of test enanthate a day. 8)
But for a guy who used to do 2.5 grams of test with other stuff added, I don't know man...
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I remember I wrote a long post for you on how easy it is to dose very low, you simply dilute it :D On another forum some do enhanced-trt or sports-hrt with very low daily doses, for example 10-15mg test with 5mg trestolone daily and they claim they can feel even 5mg of tren or trest when compared to just physiological test doses such as 10mg of test enanthate a day. 8)
But for a guy who used to do 2.5 grams of test with other stuff added, I don't know man...
He was 120 kg when he was on 2.5 grams now he's 100 kg
I won't use tren ever again so I don't have to worry about it
Just sucks 3 of the 4 compounds that really work for me are orals
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He was 120 kg when he was on 2.5 grams now he's 100 kg
I won't use tren ever again so I don't have to worry about it
Just sucks 3 of the 4 compounds that really work for me are orals
I think they all work for us, it's just that we prefer some because they make us feel a certain way. Like I told you, we weren't impressed with Winstrol but I think it would still "work."
You told me Vig said he gained X amount of muscle on some tiny dose but it's just very hard to know what that scale fluctuation consists of, even if you did a DEXA scan or whatever. I took one cap of MK677 for the past 5 days and I was shocked that I'm 10lbs heavier, would probably register as lbm...
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I think they all work for us, it's just that we prefer some because they make us feel a certain way. Like I told you, we weren't impressed with Winstrol but I think it would still "work."
Big Paul is on winner now 50 mgs a day and he said his joints feel very ready to get wreaked
Guess he will go to 200 daily the week before his show dropping all inject
I heard deca goes well with winny they cancel out each others bad effects supposedly
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Big Paul is on winner now 50 mgs a day and he said his joints feel very ready to get wreaked
Guess he will go to 200 daily the week before his show dropping all inject
I heard deca goes well with winny they cancel out each others bad effects supposedly
I'm not positive but somehow I think sides like the notorius "Winstrol joint pain" is often imaginary, a placebo effect. I remember Milos said he never got joint pain nor had he ever heard anyone complain of it either, it was news to him, lol. I don't recall anyone complain of it pre-internet. But okay, it's quite possible it can cause joint pain but a lot of the time people feel certain things because they are looking for it. Newbies paranoid about bitch tits think they may be feeling nipple itchiness, but they can't be sure, then they post pics of their nipples on forums asking if they are puffy lol.
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“Sultan of Symmetry”
Without doubt, this is one of the lamest and cringiest nicknames of all time.
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Hope he finds one, I'd never give a drug addict my kidney.
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I'm not positive but somehow I think sides like the notorius "Winstrol joint pain" is often imaginary, a placebo effect. I remember Milos said he never got joint pain nor had he ever heard anyone complain of it either, it was news to him, lol. I don't recall anyone complain of it pre-internet. But okay, it's quite possible it can cause joint pain but a lot of the time people feel certain things because they are looking for it. Newbies paranoid about bitch tits think they may be feeling nipple itchiness, but they can't be sure, then they post pics of their nipples on forums asking if they are puffy lol.
I never felt joint pain on winny but it didn't do shit for me except make me more flat
Shit sucks for me
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Hope he finds one, I'd never give a drug addict my kidney.
I'd never give anyone mine.
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Hope he finds one, I'd never give a drug addict my kidney.
I can spare him a pint of clean blood. I am a universal donor.
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I never felt joint pain on winny but it didn't do shit for me except make me more flat
Shit sucks for me
But what about this thought experiment. Drop all AAS for a month. Then start again but only on 100mg of Win a day. I doubt you'll get smaller and flatter, you know what I mean ;D It will cause anabolism and it will move the scale up a bit. But we always stack so it's hard to know what is doing what
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Sex with beautiful women?
Ask Tiger Woods or Charlie Sheen At some point you will back down or hit a wall .
WooooSHHHHHHHHHH Strange but true... (and no homo) as taking too much Pinga nonstop can't be that healthy either)
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“Sultan of Symmetry”
Without doubt, this is one of the lamest and cringiest nicknames of all time.
He was called The Natural freak for a while.... which was ironic
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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He was called The Natural freak for a while.... which was ironic
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692996.0;attach=1516081;image)
Ironic and ridiculous
WooooSHHHHHHHHH
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Flex had the absent brachioradialis syndrome, also known as "all oil biceps".
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But what about this thought experiment. Drop all AAS for a month. Then start again but only on 100mg of Win a day. I doubt you'll get smaller and flatter, you know what I mean ;D It will cause anabolism and it will move the scale up a bit. But we always stack so it's hard to know what is doing what
I'm on deca and sust
Don't know if I could go 4 weeks without an issue inject
If I'd take 100 mg winny a day the damn bottle would only last 10.fucking days
Id much rather spend my money on Molly and pros😁😁😁
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I'm on deca and sust
Don't know if I could go 4 weeks without an issue inject
If I'd take 100 mg winny a day the damn bottle would only last 10.fucking days
Id much rather spend my money on Molly and pros😁😁😁
Which is why you will always look like a meth head instead of a weightlifter
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Which is why you will always look like a meth head instead of a weightlifter
Hahahaha
Toche
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But not too many meth heads wth legit 16 inch diced sliced ripped shreaded arms
There is a fucking world of difference between a ripped 16 inch 4% arm
And a fatty 16 inch 12% arm
Your arm measurement only counts if you are 5% of less
Otherwise fuck off with that fat shit measurement
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He was called The Natural freak for a while.... which was ironic
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
"Believe it or not"
(https://www.criticalbench.com/images/flex_wheeler.gif)
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He was called The Natural freak for a while.... which was ironic
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Without drugs, Flex would NEVER have ever built anything beyond a muscular-beanpole physique.
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"Believe it or not"
(https://www.criticalbench.com/images/flex_wheeler.gif)
Not.
Did someone say on here that Flex told Ronnie how to really blast things? Ironic if so...
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Not.
Did someone say on here that Flex told Ronnie how to really blast things? Ironic if so...
Flex and Levrone.
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Flex and Levrone.
Thanks
So that thing of taking time off probably did really save Levrone from ending up like them... wonder if Tom Prince took advice from Flex? I saw him in a few of those B&W pics with that crew. And Dillet made the right choice too if he was doing the same - they were all part of that group in those pictures
I see Cormier on Instagram, anyone know what happened to that other guy - Rico McClinton(?)
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"Believe it or not"
(https://www.criticalbench.com/images/flex_wheeler.gif)
Flex acted out the better than everybody card up until his first health scare.
When he saw cripple city ahead of him, he played the suffering victim card.
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Flex acted out the better than everybody card up until his first health scare.
When he saw cripple city ahead of him, he played the suffering victim card.
It all started when the ninjas attacked him.
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After 8 pages on here, does flex still need another kidney ?
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After 8 pages on here, does flex still need another kidney ?
If Guy Cisternino's offer of a spare wasn't a match, then yes
https://www.instagram.com/p/C8gRWELtfRi/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/C8gRWELtfRi/)
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I'd never give anyone mine.
Family, friend I would. A broken down ninja, never.
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My urine has been bubbly lately. Should I get a kidney transplant?
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My urine has been bubbly lately. Should I get a kidney transplant?
No, take the Sodastream cartidge out your ass you stuck up there.
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Thanks
So that thing of taking time off probably did really save Levrone from ending up like them... wonder if Tom Prince took advice from Flex? I saw him in a few of those B&W pics with that crew. And Dillet made the right choice too if he was doing the same - they were all part of that group in those pictures
I see Cormier on Instagram, anyone know what happened to that other guy - Rico McClinton(?)
Prince blamed the Advil which he claimed he took handful of for years. That's not an outrageous theory, they really are kidney toxic especially when overdosed. But I bet the high blood pressure from gear probably played a big role too. Back then no pro took any blood pressure medication, they thought you couldn't bodybuild while taking them and they were for already sick people.
His bestie Chicherillo thought in was the Nubain which wrecked him but Chic was no druggie as far as I know so didn't understand the toxicity of different drugs, the bain probably was a nonissue. But I remember some saying Tom took speedballs even before workouts, like coke and oxy or whatever and coke is bad for the vascular system obviously.
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Flex acted out the better than everybody card up until his first health scare.
When he saw cripple city ahead of him, he played the suffering victim card.
First showed signs of kidney problems in 93... who knows, maybe he had problems even before that but he had warnings from the start.
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No, take the Sodastream cartidge out your ass you stuck up there.
Problem solved! You’re a miracle worker
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Prince blamed the Advil which he claimed he took handful of for years. That's not an outrageous theory, they really are kidney toxic especially when overdosed. But I bet the high blood pressure from gear probably played a big role too. Back then no pro took any blood pressure medication, they thought you couldn't bodybuild while taking them and they were for already sick people.
His bestie Chicherillo thought in was the Nubain which wrecked him but Chic was no druggie as far as I know so didn't understand the toxicity of different drugs, the bain probably was a nonissue. But I remember some saying Tom took speedballs even before workouts, like coke and oxy or whatever and coke is bad for the vascular system obviously.
Everything regarding bodybuilding is unhealthy; the high volume anaerobic training, the high protein, the excessive weight loads, the processed suplements, the hormones, the eventual painkillers, the mental obcession..
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My urine has been bubbly lately. Should I get a kidney transplant?
Mine burns on the way out and fizzes as it hits the bowl! What should I do? :-\
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Mine burns on the way out and fizzes as it hits the bowl! What should I do? :-\
Someone has been getting backdoor action...
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Someone has been getting backdoor action...
No more than usual - what's the diagnosis Dr falco? ;D
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No more than usual - what's the diagnosis Dr falco? ;D
Go see an urologist. Can be many different things. Avoid delaying professional help, usually it doesn't fixes itself.
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Go see an urologist. Can be many different things. Avoid delaying professional help, usually it doesn't fixes itself.
He's the one that's been pegging me! What do I do now??
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As early as 1995 Flex's health was shitting to bed. He had to pull out of the 1995 San Jose Pro due to health issues. If he gave up back then would he have been better off? Who knows. Mike Francois won the show and 2 years later he was done
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If Guy Cisternino's offer of a spare wasn't a match, then yes
https://www.instagram.com/p/C8gRWELtfRi/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/C8gRWELtfRi/)
giving away a kidney is a cuck move
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He's the one that's been pegging me! What do I do now??
Hahahaha
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As early as 1995 Flex's health was shitting to bed. He had to pull out of the 1995 San Jose Pro due to health issues. If he gave up back then would he have been better off? Who knows. Mike Francois won the show and 2 years later he was done
His longevity and his genetics to withstand copious amounts of gear is very poor! His poor judgement doesn’t help either
Meanwhile, Shawn Ray and Kevin are living pretty good, same with cutler from that era
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Maybe he could get a job in law enforcement?
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=692996.0;attach=1514209;image)
That scene in the Robocop remake was great.
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Flex just needs to STFU and hop down to Auto Zone and pick himself up a top-of-the-line oil filter and jimmy the fucker into place, through a carefully made incision.
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As early as 1995 Flex's health was shitting to bed. He had to pull out of the 1995 San Jose Pro due to health issues. If he gave up back then would he have been better off? Who knows. Mike Francois won the show and 2 years later he was done
Francois seems to be living a decent “functional “ life
Flex is probably in worse health than we could possibly imagine.
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Prince blamed the Advil which he claimed he took handful of for years. That's not an outrageous theory, they really are kidney toxic especially when overdosed. But I bet the high blood pressure from gear probably played a big role too. Back then no pro took any blood pressure medication, they thought you couldn't bodybuild while taking them and they were for already sick people.
His bestie Chicherillo thought in was the Nubain which wrecked him but Chic was no druggie as far as I know so didn't understand the toxicity of different drugs, the bain probably was a nonissue. But I remember some saying Tom took speedballs even before workouts, like coke and oxy or whatever and coke is bad for the vascular system obviously.
when ever i start having side effects i dont like while on my stack i always blame the steroid i like the least...
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I always thought the advil story was overexaggerated copium.
Prince admitted to spending at least $15k a year on nubain/opiates alone. Took shots every 2-3 hours on average. In his own words (recreational use aside) it obviously helped him tremendously with his joints.
Im not a doctor, so I have zero understanding of the clinical intricacies of chronic pain management in opiate addicts -- specifically, symptomatic pain reduction in patients with a built-up tolerance to opioid painkillers -- but did Thomas really need 32×200mg ibuprophen + celecoxib everyday on top of his undisclosed heavy opiate use as he claimed in mid-2000s BB magazines ?
Prince should've been throwing up blood with a perforated stomach abusing NSAIDs for so long whithout proton pump inhibitors.
In 2012, while he was still recovering at the hospital from his transplant, the docs did a biopsy of the fresh graft and when the results came back, Prince was diagnosed with focal segmental glomerulosclerosis. Again, Im no nephrologist, so I wonder whether it was an innate or acquired disease.
The new kidney only lasted about 2,5 years.