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Probably been posted before but you don’t see back striations like this anymore. DeMey was very underrated
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;D
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Fantastic physique!!
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Fantastic physique!!
Without question.
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The fact he didn't win more often shows how stacked the line ups were back then.
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Was a fan of the dude.
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He looked
good awesome.
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Staying in the great shape year around.
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Staying in the great shape year around.
He looks good but whether he's healthy is unknown.
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He looks good but whether he's healthy is unknown.
Doesn’t strike me like a guy who’s having health issues,but who knows.
Great to see guys like him Gaspari,Labrada,Benfatto,Strydom ,Vince Taylor, etc etc to keep grinding.
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Doesn’t strike me like a guy who’s having health issues,but who knows.
Great to see guys like him Gaspari,Labrada,Benfatto,Strydom ,Vince Taylor, etc etc to keep grinding.
Your equating muscles with health.
Those guy's internals are f*cked.
Their gonads are shot so they need artificial test.
It's very likely they have multiple health issues from their past drug abuse.
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Still haven't had anyone answer something for me. He was insanely shredded from the waist up. Yes, you don't see modern pros looking like that. From the waist down though, modern pros smoke him. Shredded glutes and carved out hamstrings that nobody had in the 80's. Or 90's for that matter. Why? What are modern guys doing to get like that from the waist down?
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Still haven't had anyone answer something for me. He was insanely shredded from the waist up. Yes, you don't see modern pros looking like that. From the waist down though, modern pros smoke him. Shredded glutes and carved out hamstrings that nobody had in the 80's. Or 90's for that matter. Why? What are modern guys doing to get like that from the waist down?
Drugs. Don't be naiive.
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Your equating muscles with health.
Those guy's internals are f*cked.
Their gonads are shot so they need artificial test.
It's very likely they have multiple health issues from their past drug abuse.
I don’t disagree .However they could live productive life another 20 years well into their 80’s.
If you ask me about today’s guys like let’s say Walker that would be different answer.
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Drugs. Don't be naiive.
They were on drugs back then. Yes, it's drugs. That's a stock response because you don't really know. Which is fine but I'm curious if someone really knows
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They were on drugs back then. Yes, it's drugs. That's a stock response because you don't really know. Which is fine but I'm curious if someone really knows
How do you think these guys achieve such low bodyfat levels?
They diet and use drugs.
Do you think there is magic they use?
The drugs they use today are not the same as in Arnold's time or 30 years ago.
Serge Nubret used specific drugs to achieve his great definition in the 70s.
Also today they train their legs differently to enhance certain muscles in the legs.
They do a lot more of specific exercises to train the leg biceps and glutes becuase the judges look for it.
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glute etching down in Mexico ???
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Also, because the judges want to see these types of physiques, those contestants who have those attributes will advance through the ranks to the top contests.
If the judges wanted to see contestants with hair then you'd see guys wearing wigs. or getting hair transplants.
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How do you think these guys achieve such low bodyfat levels?
They diet and use drugs.
Do you think there is magic they use?
The drugs they use today are not the same as in Arnold's time or 30 years ago.
Serge Nubret used specific drugs to achieve his great definition in the 70s.
Also today they train their legs differently to enhance certain muscles in the legs.
They do a lot more of specific exercises to train the leg biceps and glutes becuase the judges look for it.
Perfectly stated, my friend. This...What he has said is the plain and simple truth of today's bodybuilding. Now more than ever it is about drugs and surviving them long enough to flaunt the results. Simple.
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That was 88 Mr. Olympia he actually looks better a few weeks before the actual show. He was a little smaller and stringy are looking shredded but not like those pics shown. He actually had his best physique overall was WBF 91
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It was such a bad week to be a dem that lurker started posting about bodybuilding. 8)
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How do you think these guys achieve such low bodyfat levels?
They diet and use drugs.
Do you think there is magic they use?
The drugs they use today are not the same as in Arnold's time or 30 years ago.
Serge Nubret used specific drugs to achieve his great definition in the 70s.
Also today they train their legs differently to enhance certain muscles in the legs.
They do a lot more of specific exercises to train the leg biceps and glutes becuase the judges look for it.
Leg muscles in 2024 are the same as they were in the 1990s
They even do the same leg excercises as in the 1990s.
Difference is DRUGS.
Hence the grotesque shape of "pro's" in the past decades.
De Mey, Liedelmayer, Paris and Mendenhall looked 100x times better.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aiiekR3A_Iw/sddefault.jpg)
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Probably been posted before but you don’t see back striations like this anymore. DeMey was very underrated
Damn - great pics man. I have never seen pics of him that shredded. God I know I am asshole for doing this and probably deserve to have my ass kicked for it.
But - BRIAN!!! Here boy…. THIS is what being in shape looks like
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great hair
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That was 88 Mr. Olympia he actually looks better a few weeks before the actual show. He was a little smaller and stringy are looking shredded but not like those pics shown. He actually had his best physique overall was WBF 91
Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
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Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
Berry DeMey
Born February 23, 1962
1980
Mr Holland - NPBO, Junior, 2nd
Holland Hercules - NPBO, Junior, 1st
Holland Iron Man - NPBO, Junior, 1st
1981
European Championships - WABBA, Junior, 3rd
Mr Holland - BBBN, Junior, 1st
1982
European Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
Holland Grand Prix - NBBF, HeavyWeight, 1st
1983
World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1984
World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1985
Olympia - IFBB, 6th
World Games, Overall Winner
World Games, HeavyWeight, 1st
1986
Night of Champions - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1987
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Germany (2) - IFBB, 9th
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 6th
1988
Grand Prix England - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Greece - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1990
Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 4th
1991
WBF Grand Prix - WBF, 3rd
1993
Night of Champions - IFBB, 10th
1994
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 15th
Magazines
1985 March Vol 46, Num 3 Muscle and Fitness
1986 July Vol 45, Num 5 IronMan
1986 August Vol 47, Num 8 Muscle and Fitness
1986 December Num 62 Muscle Mag International
1987 February Num 132 Muscle Training Illustrated
1987 July Vol 46, Num 5 IronMan
1987 December Vol 48, Num 12 Muscle and Fitness
1988 December Vol 47, Num 12 IronMan
1989 January Vol 50, Num 1 Muscle and Fitness
1989 April Vol 7, Num 2 Flex
1989 October Vol 50, Num 10 Muscle and Fitness
1990 June Num 160 Muscle Training Illustrated
1990 December Vol 49, Num 12 IronMan
1990 December Num 103 Muscle Mag International
1991 March Vol 1, Num 2 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1991 March Vol 9, Num 1 Flex
1991 August Vol 1, Num 7 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 February Vol 2, Num 2 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 June Vol 2, Num 6 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1993 October Vol 52, Num 10 IronMan
1998 September Vol 57, Num 9 IronMan
© MuscleMemory
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Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
Maybe he did not wanted to up the dose to enter the mass monster trend. Or he did up the dose but nothing significant happened, and he quit.
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Maybe he did not wanted to up the dose to enter the mass monster trend. Or he did up the dose but nothing significant happened, and he quit.
He was smart !
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They were on drugs back then. Yes, it's drugs. That's a stock response because you don't really know. Which is fine but I'm curious if someone really knows
I've thought of this some. The difference is probably growth hormone. Either they didn't take it or the dose was abysmally small. Today they all take large doses of it year round. GH is lipolytic obviously and may affect the pattern or distribution of fat deposits too. But still, and this is a real mystery, why the comparatively "fat" backs today? I've said here many times that I think the ripped glutes today, that "everyone" seems to have today, which only Gaspari seemed to have at one point, has to do with growth hormone specifically, that's really the only explanation I can see. Or they were simply fatter back then and didn't diet as hard, which oldtimers don't want to accept ;D
But it's also true guys stay leaner offseason today, some have some striations in their glutes all year, but "thick skin" on their backs. There really is no "off season" today where guys will eat like a "normal person" like many did in the past. Some even got off all drugs periods of times and tiday no one gets off, they are just cycled up and down at best, to avoid any useless and stressful to the body crash, a big yo-yoing of weight.
That's just in my humble opinion 8) What do you, or anyone here, think about my hypothesis?
EDIT: if competing today with today's drugs Berry would have ripped glutes and 50% bigger delts with zero striations. If you look at these pics now you are probably struck by comparative lack of delts, at least I was, but we've been fooled to require bigger delts which is only due to massive scar tissue buildup from massive oil and steroid injections, which they pretty much ALL do these days.
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Staying in the great shape year around.
Bay likey.
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I've thought of this some. The difference is probably growth hormone. Either they didn't take it or the dose was abysmally small. Today they all take large doses of it year round. GH is lipolytic obviously and may affect the pattern or distribution of fat deposits too. But still, and this is a real mystery, why the comparatively "fat" backs today? I've said here many times that I think the ripped glutes today, that "everyone" seems to have today, which only Gaspari seemed to have at one point, has to do with growth hormone specifically, that's really the only explanation I can see. Or they were simply fatter back then and didn't diet as hard, which oldtimers don't want to accept ;D
But it's also true guys stay leaner offseason today, some have some striations in their glutes all year, but "thick skin" on their backs. There really is no "off season" today where guys will eat like a "normal person" like many did in the past. Some even got off all drugs periods of times and tiday no one gets off, they are just cycled up and down at best, to avoid any useless and stressful to the body crash, a big yo-yoing of weight.
That's just in my humble opinion 8) What do you, or anyone here, think about my hypothesis?
EDIT: if competing today with today's drugs Berry would have ripped glutes and 50% bigger delts with zero striations. If you look at these pics now you are probably struck by comparative lack of delts, at least I was, but we've been fooled to require bigger delts which is only due to massive scar tissue buildup from massive oil and steroid injections, which they pretty much ALL do these days.
Look at Lunsford last year, shredded glutes and yet a bloofy soft chest arms and delts
You see lots of ripped glutes these days but it comes with fat backs and even smooth quads FFS
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Look at Lunsford last year, shredded glutes and yet a bloofy soft chest arms and delts
You see lots of ripped glutes these days but it comes with fat backs and even smooth quads FFS
Exactly, but as I said it's kind of strange why the backs don't lose fat as much. Could insulin affect the distribution? Somehow I don't think so but maybe it would.
I still would like to know what exactly he injected in his lats. Very strange deformity with seeming pin pricks too ;D A few pros like Milos said they completely missed it live, only saw it in pics.
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Doesn’t strike me like a guy who’s having health issues,but who knows.
Great to see guys like him Gaspari, Labrada, Benfatto, Strydom ,Vince Taylor, etc etc to keep grinding.
IIRC he only jumped back on the gas a few years ago to start promoting his brothers business - he was pretty lean the years before that
Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
I don't think he was ever really forgiven for joining the WBF
I've thought of this some. The difference is probably growth hormone. Either they didn't take it or the dose was abysmally small. Today they all take large doses of it year round. GH is lipolytic obviously and may affect the pattern or distribution of fat deposits too. But still, and this is a real mystery, why the comparatively "fat" backs today? I've said here many times that I think the ripped glutes today, that "everyone" seems to have today, which only Gaspari seemed to have at one point, has to do with growth hormone specifically, that's really the only explanation I can see. Or they were simply fatter back then and didn't diet as hard, which oldtimers don't want to accept ;D
But it's also true guys stay leaner offseason today, some have some striations in their glutes all year, but "thick skin" on their backs. There really is no "off season" today where guys will eat like a "normal person" like many did in the past. Some even got off all drugs periods of times and tiday no one gets off, they are just cycled up and down at best, to avoid any useless and stressful to the body crash, a big yo-yoing of weight.
That's just in my humble opinion 8) What do you, or anyone here, think about my hypothesis?
EDIT: if competing today with today's drugs Berry would have ripped glutes and 50% bigger delts with zero striations. If you look at these pics now you are probably struck by comparative lack of delts, at least I was, but we've been fooled to require bigger delts which is only due to massive scar tissue buildup from massive oil and steroid injections, which they pretty much ALL do these days.
I wonder how much cardio has to do with it - treadmill, stepper, whatever, for 30/60 mins nowadays seems normal even in the 'offseason' - not sure I ever remember it coming up in interviews with the '80s and '90s guys... just spitballing...
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Berry DeMey
Born February 23, 1962
1980
Mr Holland - NPBO, Junior, 2nd
Holland Hercules - NPBO, Junior, 1st
Holland Iron Man - NPBO, Junior, 1st
1981
European Championships - WABBA, Junior, 3rd
Mr Holland - BBBN, Junior, 1st
1982
European Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
Holland Grand Prix - NBBF, HeavyWeight, 1st
1983
World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1984
World Amateur Championships - IFBB, HeavyWeight, 2nd
1985
Olympia - IFBB, 6th
World Games, Overall Winner
World Games, HeavyWeight, 1st
1986
Night of Champions - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1987
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 6th
Grand Prix Germany (2) - IFBB, 9th
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 6th
Olympia - IFBB, 6th
1988
Grand Prix England - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix France - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 2nd
Grand Prix Greece - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 4th
Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 3rd
Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1990
Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 4th
1991
WBF Grand Prix - WBF, 3rd
1993
Night of Champions - IFBB, 10th
1994
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 15th
Magazines
1985 March Vol 46, Num 3 Muscle and Fitness
1986 July Vol 45, Num 5 IronMan
1986 August Vol 47, Num 8 Muscle and Fitness
1986 December Num 62 Muscle Mag International
1987 February Num 132 Muscle Training Illustrated
1987 July Vol 46, Num 5 IronMan
1987 December Vol 48, Num 12 Muscle and Fitness
1988 December Vol 47, Num 12 IronMan
1989 January Vol 50, Num 1 Muscle and Fitness
1989 April Vol 7, Num 2 Flex
1989 October Vol 50, Num 10 Muscle and Fitness
1990 June Num 160 Muscle Training Illustrated
1990 December Vol 49, Num 12 IronMan
1990 December Num 103 Muscle Mag International
1991 March Vol 1, Num 2 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1991 March Vol 9, Num 1 Flex
1991 August Vol 1, Num 7 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 February Vol 2, Num 2 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1992 June Vol 2, Num 6 Bodybuilding Lifestyles (WBF)
1993 October Vol 52, Num 10 IronMan
1998 September Vol 57, Num 9 IronMan
© MuscleMemory
I see no mention of the Charlotte Cup.
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I see no mention of the Charlotte Cup.
Way too advanced for Berry ! :D
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I recall him at the world games in 85
he did a mad wobble type pose with his thighs- it looked freaky as hell I think dorian competed too and got either 5th or 7th I think??
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Look at Lunsford last year, shredded glutes and yet a bloofy soft chest arms and delts
You see lots of ripped glutes these days but it comes with fat backs and even smooth quads FFS
Similar to what I`ve been saying for a while now.....ripped glutes,yet no striated pecs. :(
REGRESSION OF PEACE
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Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
Tore a pec while bench pressing in 1989:
https://www.musculardevelopment.com/news/the-mcgough-report/11830-berry-demey-a-dutch-master-the-day-his-dream-died-by-peter-mcgough.html
Photo I believe is 6 months after the injury / operation:
(https://www.ergogenics.org/2005/demey2.jpg)
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It was such a bad week to be a dem that lurker started posting about bodybuilding. 8)
It's a bad week to be you any week to start posting about posting. But then again, you really have nothing else to post about.
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Still haven't had anyone answer something for me. He was insanely shredded from the waist up. Yes, you don't see modern pros looking like that. From the waist down though, modern pros smoke him. Shredded glutes and carved out hamstrings that nobody had in the 80's. Or 90's for that matter. Why? What are modern guys doing to get like that from the waist down?
Just a guess here, but probably putting more emphasis on the lower half. The guys in the 80s and 90s probably didn't attempt to make their lower half as freaky as someone people now days are emphasizing.
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Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
Again, just a guess but looking over the placings that Wes posted, it seemed that as a pro, he was mid card level basically. Might have reached a point where he decided all the work and risk was not worth the rewards he was getting.
I bet if he were in his prime today, Instagram would be printing money for him.
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Probably been posted before but you don’t see back striations like this anymore. DeMey was very underrated
Funny, many old-school guys had a bone-dry back while being completely smooth (almost fast) in the glute/hamstring area.
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Staying in the great shape year around.
Outstanding aesthetics
That waist was a legit 30-31 inches
Wonder what he ran back then?
Probably deca and var or winny
They weren't really using test in the 70s and 80s
Test came into the picture in the 90s
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Wonder what he ran back then?
Probably deca and var or winny
They weren't really using test in the 70s and 80s
Test came into the picture in the 90s
LOL this again. ;D I think if there was one steroid that most liked for bb it was Deca or Durabolin. Dorian who came up in the late 80s said everyone seemed to love Winstrol whereas he didn't think much of it, he loved Dbol instead, like us ;D
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Probably been posted before but you don’t see back striations like this anymore. DeMey was very underrated
demey had a great flow to him for sure, didnt he tear is pec at one time.
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LOL this again. ;D I think if there was one steroid that most liked for bb it was Deca or Durabolin. Dorian who came up in the late 80s said everyone seemed to love Winstrol whereas he didn't think much of it, he loved Dbol instead, like us ;D
Hahahaha
Just watched doc tood lee and he did a profile on superdrol
And he said if you are not a competitive BB you shouldn't ever use any orals
And he said superdrol should only be used by competitive BB who are flat and then it should only be used 3-5 days before the show and that's it
He says take enough test to produce enough estrogen which for most is 20-40 mgs a day and fill the test with mast
Mast is just such a shitty ass compound for me
And yeah many love the winny
Platz interviewed 6 big name pros from the 90s and every single one of them except Coleman I think used winny most all the time
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Hahahaha
Just watched doc tood lee and he did a profile on superdrol
And he said if you are not a competitive BB you shouldn't ever use any orals
And he said superdrol should only be used by competitive BB who are flat and then it should only be used 3-5 days before the show and that's it
He says take enough test to produce enough estrogen which for most is 20-40 mgs a day and fill the test with mast
Mast is just such a shitty ass compound for me
And yeah many love the winny
Platz interviewed 6 big name pros from the 90s and every single one of them except Coleman I think used winny most all the time
It's irritating because the Mast/Primo idea as well as the test to estrogen ratio is based only on the theories by Victor Black. I mean he could be mostly right but these guys aren't thinking for themselves and they don't even give him credit because they all hate him! Lol. Victor also says other acceptable compounds include Deca and Anavar but they have drawbacks Mast and Primo don't have.
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It's irritating because the Mast/Primo idea as well as the test to estrogen ratio is based only on the theories by Victor Black. I mean he could be mostly right but these guys aren't thinking for themselves and they don't even give him credit because they all hate him! Lol. Victor also says other acceptable compounds include Deca and Anavar but they have drawbacks Mast and Primo don't have.
Yep I actually have notes on his suggested dosing of all those compounds and here they are,,,,
Test 400
Var 40
Tren 100
Primo 800
Mast 600
Deca 400
And yep BB are fucking sheeple
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Yep I actually have notes on his suggested dosing of all those compounds and here they are,,,,
Test 400
Var 40
Tren 100
Primo 800
Mast 600
Deca 400
And yep BB are fucking sheeple
Yes. Though Victor says if you are a competitor you can dial it all up in these ratios, all based on how much risk you are willing to take on. Victors acceptable dosing for some reason is about 2x human common dosing, though I think Primo and/or Mast have been trialed at like a gram or two... on females lol. Tren he sets at 100 because 50mg of pure tren was the human dose in France.
Big Paul and all the rest think Dbol is garbage, all because Victor saw some animal data where Dbol was a bit more neurotoxic lol.
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Still haven't had anyone answer something for me. He was insanely shredded from the waist up. Yes, you don't see modern pros looking like that. From the waist down though, modern pros smoke him. Shredded glutes and carved out hamstrings that nobody had in the 80's. Or 90's for that matter. Why? What are modern guys doing to get like that from the waist down?
maybe it's the drugs or smth... tren?
but it also looks like he's not flexing his glutes and hams. They didn't focus on that back then.
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Yes. Though Victor says if you are a competitor you can dial it all up in these ratios, all based on how much risk you are willing to take on. Victors acceptable dosing for some reason is about 2x human common dosing, though I think Primo and/or Mast have been trialed at like a gram or two... on females lol. Tren he sets at 100 because 50mg of pure tren was the human dose in France.
Big Paul and all the rest think Dbol is garbage, all because Victor saw some animal data where Dbol was a bit more neurotoxic lol.
Dbols not garbage
And I do not blow up like a water balloon on it
Maybe if you are fat when you go on it or you force down a bunch of food on it or both it could be
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Dbols not garbage
And I do not blow up like a water balloon on it
Maybe if you are fat when you go on it or you force down a bunch of food on it or both it could be
if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol
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if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol
I hear ya and it kinda sucks for me that 3 out of the 4 compounds I respond well to are orals
What's the most you've used of it and what was it's sweet spot for you?
I've used anywhere from 10 to 80 mgs and the max effective dose for me was 30 as any more than that didn't really give me better gains
In fact 20 mgs was my sweet spot not quite as much as 30 but very close
And 20 was quite a bit better than 10 for me
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Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
Berry said in an interview a few years back that after he tore his pec, it just never looked right again. He was obviously very competitive and in the thick of the line-up back in the 80's up there with Strydon, Christian, Paris, Quinn all of them neck and neck. He got a 3rd place in 88. Then in 89 got a suspension for the year they did drug testing, so he was out a year, then was training for his return and tore his pec. He said he always strived for perfection and it was hard enough to achieve the winning look prior to the pec tear. So when WBF came along offering contracts with set salaries he took it, knowing he would never again be 100% satisfied with his physique.
He said Joe Weider welcomed him back into the IFBB but they were all punished in the score cards. The NOC that he got 10th in he actually looked great but got 10th. I never saw his last show, an Arnold Classic where he got 15th...but i imagine he looked just as good and by then it was the new era of Flex, Levrone, Dillet, Yates, etc... so he retired and used his wbf money to start a photography business.
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Berry said in an interview a few years back that after he tore his pec, it just never looked right again. He was obviously very competitive and in the thick of the line-up back in the 80's up there with Strydon, Christian, Paris, Quinn all of them neck and neck. He got a 3rd place in 88. Then in 89 got a suspension for the year they did drug testing, so he was out a year, then was training for his return and tore his pec. He said he always strived for perfection and it was hard enough to achieve the winning look prior to the pec tear. So when WBF came along offering contracts with set salaries he took it, knowing he would never again be 100% satisfied with his physique.
He said Joe Weider welcomed him back into the IFBB but they were all punished in the score cards. The NOC that he got 10th in he actually looked great but got 10th. I never saw his last show, an Arnold Classic where he got 15th...but i imagine he looked just as good and by then it was the new era of Flex, Levrone, Dillet, Yates, etc... so he retired and used his wbf money to start a photography business.
I had forgotten about the torn pec.
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I hear ya and it kinda sucks for me that 3 out of the 4 compounds I respond well to are orals
What's the most you've used of it and what was it's sweet spot for you?
I've used anywhere from 10 to 80 mgs and the max effective dose for me was 30 as any more than that didn't really give me better gains
In fact 20 mgs was my sweet spot not quite as much as 30 but very close
And 20 was quite a bit better than 10 for me
15 was better than 7 and 12 was worse then 13 although 9 was equal to 3 it didnt compare with 19, come to think of it I suppose 3 tablets twice a day didnt work as well as 2 tablets three times a day omitting Sundays because I have a burger on that day and I dont want the dosage to be affected by the fat in the burger
fixed
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fixed
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if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol
Dbol is also a testosterone derivative and is androgenic enough to where you can just use it and not lose sex drive, it usually increases it. The same is not true of Anavar or Winstrol. Dbol is the best oral, overall. Halotestin was the choice for oral HRT for decades, it was androgenic enough but otoh lacked the anabolism of Dbol.
Of course if you are running test you can take other orals, but for an oral steroid run solo, Dbol is it.
Dbol is a wonderful mood brightener for a lot of people also.
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if i was forced to pick only one anabolic to use it would be dbol eggs... shit was invented for muscles hahaha... i love dbol eggs
;)
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maybe it's the drugs or smth... tren?
but it also looks like he's not flexing his glutes and hams. They didn't focus on that back then.
Other than Platz, the only person I can think from that era that had outstanding legs overall like today's pros would be Paul Demayo.
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People who blow up with water on dbol and anadrol are usually people with high BF%. Body fat contributes to estrogen. Having a high level of bodyfat can lead to higher estrogen levels which in turn lead to more water retention. Steroids basically give you more of what you already have. If you are 25% BF with no visible abs, then roids are going to give you a +1 to that. The leaner you are, the more you are going to see an actual benefit and change from.
This is why Var and Halotestin have the myth of "hardening you up". Which is inaccurate basically, it is just that the people who use them correctly do so the last 5-6 weeks before a comp. When they are already low BF and cutting back on androgenic compounds. Then you have the idiots that think if they take it took, it will reduce their waistline and chisel in their abs. When it doesn't happen, they start crying that their source is selling fake shit.
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People who blow up with water on dbol and anadrol are usually people with high BF%. Body fat contributes to estrogen. Having a high level of bodyfat can lead to higher estrogen levels which in turn lead to more water retention. Steroids basically give you more of what you already have. If you are 25% BF with no visible abs, then roids are going to give you a +1 to that. The leaner you are, the more you are going to see an actual benefit and change from.
This is why Var and Halotestin have the myth of "hardening you up". Which is inaccurate basically, it is just that the people who use them correctly do so the last 5-6 weeks before a comp. When they are already low BF and cutting back on androgenic compounds. Then you have the idiots that think if they take it took, it will reduce their waistline and chisel in their abs. When it doesn't happen, they start crying that their source is selling fake shit.
steroids were not designed for fat people, they were made for underdeveloped or malnourished and victims of burns or wasting diseases
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I hear ya and it kinda sucks for me that 3 out of the 4 compounds I respond well to are orals
What's the most you've used of it and what was it's sweet spot for you?
I've used anywhere from 10 to 80 mgs and the max effective dose for me was 30 as any more than that didn't really give me better gains
In fact 20 mgs was my sweet spot not quite as much as 30 but very close
And 20 was quite a bit better than 10 for me
ive used anywhere from 15-50mg over the last 20 years on and off.... early on id take 6 pink thai dbol and id blow up... now it takes 50mg lol for whatever reason.
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ive used anywhere from 15-50mg over the last 20 years on and off.... early on id take 6 pink thai dbol and id blow up... now it takes 50mg lol for whatever reason.
the reason is pretty obvious. ;D
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ive used anywhere from 15-50mg over the last 20 years on and off.... early on id take 6 pink thai dbol and id blow up... now it takes 50mg lol for whatever reason.
That sucks
20 works very well for me
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Dbol is also a testosterone derivative and is androgenic enough to where you can just use it and not lose sex drive, it usually increases it. The same is not true of Anavar or Winstrol. Dbol is the best oral, overall. Halotestin was the choice for oral HRT for decades, it was androgenic enough but otoh lacked the anabolism of Dbol.
Of course if you are running test you can take other orals, but for an oral steroid run solo, Dbol is it.
Dbol is a wonderful mood brightener for a lot of people also.
I'm really curious how var will go with deca
Actually I think I look better now off the dbol and only on test deca
But I just started training my arms the way I need to train them so maybe that's why?
Check your pms brosef
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steroids were not designed for fat people, they were made for underdeveloped or malnourished and victims of burns or wasting diseases
Exactly!
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Why did he retire so early? It seems he went from great to dropping off the map overnight.
Banned for a year in 89 failed drug test, tore his pec in comeback prep, signed for WBF , came back to IFBB got shit on, retired.