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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: NarcissisticDeity on May 04, 2006, 03:23:54 PM
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This guy was a gorilla look at his hamstrings , they look like steel cords .
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Talk about quadsweep :o and back width
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Strong as a bull too he would squat 700 for a few reps !! he tarined like Coleman
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One of my favorite big guys, had a complete look 8)
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Whatever happened to Francois, wasn't he supposed to be the second coming at one point?
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His back was thick as fuck
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best built white bb....
in my opinion....
take his build over dorian or jay... anyday
one of my fav bb's
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Again
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Whatever happened to Francois, wasn't he supposed to be the second coming at one point?
Cancer. He had to have his small or large intestine removed, i forget which.
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At the USA !!
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Cancer. He had to have his small or large intestine removed, i forget which.
Tragic.
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With Ron at the 1997 Arnold
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Can you believe he was going to be a Priest? he was in Seminary school !! ???
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With Ron at the Ironaman !!
Wow, he was more impressive than a young Coleman. What weight did he compete at?
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H was amazing..its a shame he got sick...I saw him in NY at the MR O, and I was like wow...didnt recognise him bc of all the weight he lost...
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I think he competed at 240 - 250 lbs and he was like 5'8" 1/2
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He had awesome biceps
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(http://membres.lycos.fr/bodybuilders/bodybuilding/francois_quads.jpg)
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Whatever happened to Francois, wasn't he supposed to be the second coming at one point?
Since he blew out his knees, pelvis and back during a photo shoot while trying to squat 6 plates the day after a contest with no spotters he has dissapeared...
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A very young Mike
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Can you believe he was going to be a Priest? he was in Seminary school !! ???
(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/mike_francois/francois05.jpg)
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Since he blew out his knees, pelvis and back during a photo shoot while trying to squat 6 plates the day after a contest with no spotters he has dissapeared...
You're thinking of Jean Peire Fux
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Wow, he looks amazing. That is a BBer!!! I heard he had major intestinal problems as well. He was a fantastic BBer.
Man, look at Coleman's face and head before the acromegally....
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(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/mike_francois/francois16.jpg)
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(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/mike_francois/francois16.jpg)
Thats just a sick , sick back shot !!
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Thats just a sick , sick back shot !!
How do you think he compares to DY?
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How do you think he compares to DY?
very well Dorian has a short torso and Mike a longer one , when they did the back training article for Flex , Mike looked wider when they were doing rear latspreads side-by-side , his thickness amazing especially in the lumbar , his time came to soon , he never reached his full potential , imagine him with another 5 years of heavy training? and his waist always remained small .
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(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/mike_francois/francois12.jpg)
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He was Mr Olympia material
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At 1995 Arnold where he handed Flex his ass
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Again
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Francios was the real deal...no doubt about that!
I met him once...very friendly and down to earth. He still is very thick and trains hard but not in a way to get back on the stage. I have a buddy who is prepping under his tutelage getting ready for Jr. Nationals...tells me he thought he trained hard until Mike starting training him. I think he said he paid him $1000 down and $75 everytime they meet which is 3x's a week...doesnt get too much into the 'gear' cycle/outlines...just training/diet plans.
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Thanks for the great pics ND - keep them coming. Mike was at his best at the 1995 Arnold Classic and at the 1997 Arnold classic. I loved how he was very humble and quiet and got the job done, rather than talk a lot of shit and miss his peak. He was very similar to Dorian and Jay (cutler) in his work ethic. He had a lot of parallels to Jay - both of them having freaky legs, a very wide rear lat spread, awesome arms, work(ed) with Chris Aceto etc. The only difference is that Mike, due to his powerlifting background, used to use insane weights (almost as much as Ronnie did at his peak).
It is such a shame that his colon got ulcered and he was forced to pull out of competing. ND, if you can, can you scan and post pics from the 1995 Arnold classic where Mike destroyed Flex (especially the pics from the Musclemag report) and also this one training article from FLEX, where there is a totally sick B&W shot of Mike doing a seated concentration curl? Thanks in advance.
And, not to divert this topic or anything, but ND, could you also acknowledge Ronnie's superiority over Dorian ;D?
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Mike definitely was awesome.
Too bad his career ended early
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8)
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There was this one tiny B&W pic in Musclemag's 1995 Arnold classic report showing a front double bi shot of Mike, Flex and Charles Clairmonte. Can anyone scan and post that pic please. It was shot a little long-distance and the structural difference between Mike and Flex stands out almost as much as how freakishly big Mike's arms and legs were :o
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Top notch physique.
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THE TRAPS :o
(http://images.google.com.my/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bodybuilders.com/franc56.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bodybuilders.com/francois.htm&h=268&w=200&sz=12&tbnid=xct0yqU4JkwxdM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=80&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichael%2Bfrancois%2Bmuscle%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D)
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1995 Again Lee Haney was at this show and he thought Flex should have won just based on his superior shape and said Mike was just to " lumpy " and FYI This was the last show of the great Lee Labrada , the end of an era .
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Mike again
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Awesome pics keep them coming!
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back when they both competed, Shawn Ray said he disliked Mike's physique - not enough detail and seperation I believe was what he said . . .
(http://www.sfd.pl/1/images2005/20051217193724.jpg)
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Let this thread go on and on ! Mike was the shit. You should have seen him In person. He was so thick and granite hard looking. You just had to see him in person.
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Mike looked great in twisting shots
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Only Mike and Levrone can pull this off effectively
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Very impresive! How did he train?
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Only Mike and Levrone can pull this off effectively
I think he doesn't look good in that pose but that is just me.
Awesome physique :o
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His waist was tiny and he was wide as a barndoor
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These are from the San Jose Pro I forget which year
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His latspread was insane
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Look at his upperchest reminds me of Arnolds where you could balance a glass of water on top
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Mike always trained in a " Power building style" He was first and always a powerlifter. He trained in Columbus Ohio powerlifting gym most of his pre-pro days. He said that even as a pro he still trained like a powerlifter, and adjusted it to a powerbodybuilding style by adding a few more reps. Like Dorian he did low volume, low rep, heavy weight style training. Also someone asked what his best weight was. He was 5'7 260lbs at his hardest and most shredded. After that he got sick. ( Colitis ) Not completely related to bodybuilding. Stress and genetic makeup causes colits. Of course the body is under allot of stress being under 3% bf at 5'7 260. And to think he would have gotten allot bigger ????
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I learned a great thing from Mike . Training chest he said to always do your bench press at a 30 degree angle. No more ( shoulders to involved ) no less. He said you will get the most chest development at that angle. 30 degrees hit's your entire chest, both upper and lower perfectly and at the same time. You can also pile on the weight this way too. It worked for me. It sure worked for him !!!
*** There was not one thing on the man that wasn't hard and dense
He would have laughed his ass off at synthol. He was all about power and building a hard physique through hard work !! ****
( You had to see this mans CALVES. ) Holy Sh***T
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wow cool thanks a lot bailey! So he basically trained like yates but with power lifting compound movements?
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Mike looked great in twisting shots
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69845.0;attach=76845;image)
I was there for that shoot :)
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Exactly Alexx. With the exception of not taking the last set to the extreme or to failure as much as Dorian did.
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Awesome the man is built better than all bodybuilders and has the work ethic of a champion! What was his best showing?
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He was also super clean with his diet. He ate a ton!! but said even that was clean. Mass gaining was all about Red Meat and Russet potatoes.
Tons of it.
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Alexx : Right out of the gate from getting his pro card. He won his first two pro shows. Arnold classic Champion, beating an awesome Flex Wheeler to boot.
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Awesome! Imagine if Flex had his drive!
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His first 3 shows :
Arnold Classic : 1st place
Night of champions : 1st place
San jose pro : 1st place.
Not In that order.
Still pretty impressive !!!
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One of the very select few, who actually could have won the Olympia. Too bad he got sick.
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DAmmn so he went out in first place?
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The one downside to his physique was that his ab separation was not to good. ( A genetic thing). At least that was the criticism when he competed.
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The one downside to his physique was that his ab separation was not to good. ( A genetic thing). At least that was the criticism when he competed.
I agree. Flex kills him in that shot.
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Pretty Impressive though !!
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Dammmn I every pic is crazy! Thick thick thick and that back double bicep must be the best, only rivalled by Dorian!
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Alexx : Yea but Mike could pull his arms all the way back like Big D could never do which hurt that pose for him. Mike's Arms were great !
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Oh I meant to say Ronnie! But yea Dorian's arms where not on pair with the rest of him!
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defintley branch warren of his era but with better back,came out figthting after turning pro :)
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(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/mike_francois/francois16.jpg)
Awesome physique!
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A genetic freak..I saw Mike in 1995 he was out at Gators Gym in Surrey,B.C...I walked in not knowing he was going to be there and it was a unreal sight.He was sooooo thick everywhere with a tiny waste..I remember watching him train back and it just blew my mind.He was a few wks out of a show..I had seen a few pros by then but I had never seen anything like that....
Peace D
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Man the physiques in the 90's were awesome! What the hell went wrong?
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I wonder if he could still compete after his colostomy? Would there be any reason he couldn't get competition ready without his colon? I don't know what this would effect, does anyone know?. Francois was awesome even in today's standards.
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CLEARLY THE 90S WERE A LOT MORE COMPETTITIVE
WHoops caps lock was still on from all the norse threads
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THE 90S HAD MORE HORMONES/DRUGS INVOLVED IN BODYBUILDING. THERE WAS LESS SUPERVISION AND THE PRO MENTIONED WAS A DRUG ADDICT WITH AVERAGE GENETICS. now it is very hard to get real para then it was piece of cake. now days it is lots of home brew and ug crap...back then during late 80s early to mid 90 you could get anything pharmacy grade for good prices.
i dont wanna respond so avoid arguing with me since im sleepy :)
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THE 90S HAD MORE HORMONES/DRUGS INVOLVED IN BODYBUILDING. THERE WAS LESS SUPERVISION AND THE PRO MENTIONED WAS A DRUG ADDICT WITH AVERAGE GENETICS. now it is very hard to get real para then it was piece of cake. now days it is lots of home brew and ug crap...back then during late 80s early to mid 90 you could get anything pharmacy grade for good prices.
i dont wanna respond so avoid arguing with me since im sleepy :)
Average genetics. ???.Drug addict..You mean rec drugs???cause thats what I think of when you say Drug addict..So he was a drug addict ,had average genetics there was more shit involved in the 90s and the gear was real..Thats why he looked like he did??..Hmmmm..OK..I have been in this game since 88 and I aint buying it..
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No, gh15 Mike Francois busted his ass with powerlifting, that's how he got his incredible thickness that you don't see today. He did the same drugs that everyone else was doing at the time, the difference was work ethic and great genetics. He didn't have a gut like alot of the guys today because he didn't do insulin. If he had kept competing and gone on the drugs the guys use today, he would've been bigger like Ronnie Coleman but with a big gut.
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"... there was less supervision..."
;D Well, he had a note from his mom, that said it was OK for him to use Anadrol.
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ok im goin to sleep after this
if the dude had amazing genetics he wouldnt quit due to illness and wouldnt fuck himself up. get the amazing genetics garbage out of your vocabulary...
let milos train a kid from age 16-17 and feed him lots of calories + good training + hormones at the right time and dose and he will be just as thick. enough of that genetics crap already man,,
now...mr francois was addicted not to rec drugs but like all of us he was addicted to hormones. NO it was not the ONLY thing that made him big and thick...but trust me it stands up there at the top of the list together with nutrition amd good training that involved good form! with the right weight! and no super heavy nothing. might be heavy for your size/weight but not for his! it is all proportional.
i dont wanna start explaining about the pot belly but we all have it and he did too and its not only due to slin. some dont even respond to slin. as i wrote in few of my past posts it is combo of things.
lastly he did do the same drugs everything else did those days but it was way better quality and quantity and a lot more affordable and less supervision as in less goverment interferance if at all! so that is why you like the 90s physiqe more! they used a lot more steroids rather than gh and thus were a lot less disturbed looking!
thats that
* anapolon is a shitty crappy drug unless taken in major quantity atleast 3-4 tabs a day if not more with the fakes running around now days.
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ok im goin to sleep after this
if the dude had amazing genetics he wouldnt quit due to illness and wouldnt f**k himself up. get the amazing genetics garbage out of your vocabulary...
let milos train a kid from age 16-17 and feed him lots of calories + good training + hormones at the right time and dose and he will be just as thick. enough of that genetics crap already man,,
now...mr francois was addicted not to rec drugs but like all of us he was addicted to hormones. NO it was not the ONLY thing that made him big and thick...but trust me it stands up there at the top of the list together with nutrition amd good training that involved good form! with the right weight! and no super heavy nothing. might be heavy for your size/weight but not for his! it is all proportional.
i dont wanna start explaining about the pot belly but we all have it and he did too and its not only due to slin. some dont even respond to slin. as i wrote in few of my past posts it is combo of things.
lastly he did do the same drugs everything else did those days but it was way better quality and quantity and a lot more affordable and less supervision as in less goverment interferance if at all! so that is why you like the 90s physiqe more! they used a lot more steroids rather than gh and thus were a lot less disturbed looking!
thats that
* anapolon is a shitty crappy drug unless taken in major quantity atleast 3-4 tabs a day if not more with the fakes running around now days.
this is an interesting theory
I would like to hear more from people who frequent the hardcore board.
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GH15.......You have been smoking some crack obviously. Colitis is genetic, not caused by steroids. Get you facts straight before attacking a great pro.
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GH15.......You have been smoking some crack obviously. Colitis is genetic, not caused by steroids. Get you facts straight before attacking a great pro.
me said ;) quot: "if the dude had amazing genetics he wouldnt quit due to illness and wouldnt f**k himself up."
me meant quot: "IF HE HAD AMAZING GENETICS HE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH COLITIS AND WOULD ALSO BE TOWERING AT 6'3" OVER YOU. HIS GENETICS SUCKED! YOU DONT KNOW WHY HE QUITED AND WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. I KNOW PERSONALY THE GANG IN OHIO AND HOW THEY OPERATE.
lets put it nicely here. he quited due to colitis and thus his genetics is fucked and thus he fucked himself up and could not continue his wonderful career.
last sentence was politically correct for all the homos on getbig so you dont cry that i attack old mike
NOW IM OUT TO SLEEP!
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Height doesn't have anything to do with good genetics in bodybuilding. Look at Shawn Ray, he's only 5'6". Gunter is 6'1" but his waist is too wide. Flex Wheeler had great genetics for building muscle and being symmetrical but he still had a hereditary kidney disease that was aggravated by steroids, diuretics and the contest diet. This is an unlucky fate. Having great genetics for bb and having hereditary organ problems are two separate issues.
Mike Francois had a great structure for bodybuilding, wide shoulders, small waist was able to put on huge amounts of muscle without looking blocky. Not everyone can do that just because Milos is training them and they are on a good cycle.
BTW gh15, can you honestly look at all of these classic pictures of Francois and not be impressed? Who looks better today? NO ONE!
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His waist was tiny and he was wide as a barndoor
This pic is extremely impressive :o
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me said ;) quot: "if the dude had amazing genetics he wouldnt quit due to illness and wouldnt f**k himself up."
me meant quot: "IF HE HAD AMAZING GENETICS HE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH COLITIS AND WOULD ALSO BE TOWERING AT 6'3" OVER YOU. HIS GENETICS SUCKED! YOU DONT KNOW WHY HE QUITED AND WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. I KNOW PERSONALY THE GANG IN OHIO AND HOW THEY OPERATE.
lets put it nicely here. he quited due to colitis and thus his genetics is fucked and thus he fucked himself up and could not continue his wonderful career.
last sentence was politically correct for all the homos on getbig so you dont cry that i attack old mike
NOW IM OUT TO SLEEP!
He had great genetics to build muscle. Colitis is a genetic disorder that can appear at anytime, no matter if you are a bodybuilder or not.
I dont give a shit if it is politically correct or not. You just dont know what you are saying. And knowing the gang in OHIO??? Big deal, does that give you the right to say someone was fucked like that? Are u family? nope....didnt think so.
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Mike was one of the best, got to see him in 97. HUGE!!!! Does anyone have pics or seen him lately though?
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i have always like mikes body...huge ripped and thick..one of the best ever..he competed at a bodyweight of 250lbs but looked like he was 260-270...one of the best ever...
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me said ;) quot: "if the dude had amazing genetics he wouldnt quit due to illness and wouldnt f**k himself up."
me meant quot: "IF HE HAD AMAZING GENETICS HE WOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH COLITIS AND WOULD ALSO BE TOWERING AT 6'3" OVER YOU. HIS GENETICS SUCKED! YOU DONT KNOW WHY HE QUITED AND WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT. I KNOW PERSONALY THE GANG IN OHIO AND HOW THEY OPERATE.
cry that i attack old mike
Now his genetics SUCKED ..Because he got sick..Whatever..So when you say genetics you mean genetics to tolerate the high amount of AS he was on and other things..I am referring to his Physique as most others are here.Mike had above average genetics ..PERIOD
No crying here just my opinion..
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Height doesn't have anything to do with good genetics in bodybuilding. Look at Shawn Ray, he's only 5'6". Gunter is 6'1" but his waist is too wide. Flex Wheeler had great genetics for building muscle and being symmetrical but he still had a hereditary kidney disease that was aggravated by steroids, diuretics and the contest diet. This is an unlucky fate. Having great genetics for bb and having hereditary organ problems are two separate issues.
Mike Francois had a great structure for bodybuilding, wide shoulders, small waist was able to put on huge amounts of muscle without looking blocky. Not everyone can do that just because Milos is training them and they are on a good cycle.
BTW gh15, can you honestly look at all of these classic pictures of Francois and not be impressed? Who looks better today? NO ONE!
i gotta go training so ill answer now shortly then later on ill be answering the reruns ;). as always ill do it with my power point presentation
1)never did i say that old mike wasnt a very good bodybuilder. he sure as hell was!
2)i DID say that his genetics was average like many others among us. he did not DID NOT have ron colemans genetics nor arnold swartzie gen nor did he have the genetic of your local 6'1 cheq repulic guy in your local gym that doesnt touch gear and has 20 inch arms of bulk big bellied muscle by using amino acid pills from gnc. he had none of that.
3) what he did have was time to train and train correctly, time to eat, time and money to purchase the right goodies and ofcourse the will to be consistant.
4) there is no unlucky faith when it comes to genetics. superior is superior. ken wheeler kidny problem and old mike colitis problem and don long and prince and 100s other bodybuilders you will never hear about.....it is all due to mass use of hormones and harsh compounds involved with SHITTY GENETICS.
like in nature THE STRONGER SURVIVE- THE WEAKER IS GETTING EATEN AND DIE!
shall be continued..but boys and gals do yourself a big big HUGE favor WIZZZE UP.
time for quads
later homos ;)
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Gh15 : Drug addict ? Less supervision ? OK arm chair quarterback.
First off, Go back to school and learn your grammar. Your posts are like reading Chinese. 2 : You win the award for the most stupid post ever. What a F***n Douche bag you are. You open your mouth and out comes dog poo. Don't post on this board If you don't know shit.
And you don't !!!
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2)i DID say that his genetics was average like many others among us. he did not DID NOT have ron colemans genetics nor arnold swartzie gen nor did he have the genetic of your local 6'1 cheq repulic guy in your local gym that doesnt touch gear and has 20 inch arms of bulk big bellied muscle by using amino acid pills from gnc. he had none of that.
I think I fall into this category. Now off to GNC to get aminos for my 20 inchers! 8)
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I'm actually interested in GH15's thoughts. Keep'm coming...
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Gh15 should have his own thread where people could asking him everything they want
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Mike Francios was at a local contest when he was in his prime...he admitted his favorite drugs were Anadrol and Deca.
If he competed at the 1998 ASC he would have placed very high! Top 2. Was huge when his colon got inflamed and had to drop out.
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2)i DID say that his genetics was average like many others among us. he did not DID NOT have ron colemans genetics nor arnold swartzie gen nor did he have the genetic of your local 6'1 cheq repulic guy in your local gym that doesnt touch gear and has 20 inch arms of bulk big bellied muscle by using amino acid pills from gnc. he had none of that.
3) what he did have was time to train and train correctly, time to eat, time and money to purchase the right goodies and ofcourse the will to be consistant.
4) there is no unlucky faith when it comes to genetics. superior is superior. ken wheeler kidny problem and old mike colitis problem and don long and prince and 100s other bodybuilders you will never hear about.....it is all due to mass use of hormones and harsh compounds involved with SHITTY GENETICS.
like in nature THE STRONGER SURVIVE- THE WEAKER IS GETTING EATEN AND DIE!
shall be continued..but boys and gals do yourself a big big HUGE favor WIZZZE UP.
time for quads
later homos ;)
You say he did not have Ronnie Colemans and Arnolds genetics..No he did not..Those guys have superior genetics..The Cheq thing ??? what the hell is that supposed to mean..Obviously you are from Cheq..I have been to Prauge and actually to tell ya the truth 70% of my friends are from the Cheq Republic.IFBB Pro ----- a good buddy of mine is from Cheq and he had some health problems.There are some big Cheq guys forshur yes they do grow them big. So this Cheq guy you speak of who is he??
But come on get off the SHITTY genetics thing..As far as his physique goes it is above average genetics.Big Mike was very complete and was a top pro when he was on..Take a look at his short carrer..It is impressive ..You can not deny that..
Peace D
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Gh15 : Drug addict ? Less supervision ? OK arm chair quarterback.
First off, Go back to school and learn your grammar. Your posts are like reading Chinese. 2 : You win the award for the most stupid post ever. What a F***n Douche bag you are. You open your mouth and out comes dog poo. Don't post on this board If you don't know shit.
And you don't !!!
ok quads are cooked and im back to bailys board ;)
baily the diff between a real bodybuilder and a joke/kid is the diff between the post you wrote and the post the moderator under you wrote!
with out looking at you 2 physiqes i bet 100 zambons that this modrator is either competetive bodybuilder or has the physiqe of a bodybuilder while you dont. this is a personal feeling of mine.
now to the point ill try to make as many mistakes poSible so you need chinease dictionary while readin this :)
1) for the 100 time when i said he was drug addict i meant hormone addict (anabolics/androgens/gh etc) i am not aware of him takin any rec drugs! he might have but i am not aware of it) thats that.
2)less supervision ...um for the 100 time AGAIN i will say that during the late 80s and early/mid 90s there was a lot less supervision as in the FEDERAL GOVERMENT did not give a shit about mexico and the europian/american "sources" were fat as a pig. people didnt care and no one gave a shit during those times NOW THEY DO! mehico is no more ;) and code red is all over the usa mexico border when it comes to hormones. so who gains from that?? you are right my friend ME! me and our europian friends are now 100 times busyier (how bout that spelling mistake huh? ;)) and 1000 time richer.
3)i find you to be a misguided soul thus i will post even more often on this board since i came to like it!
4)i feel like eating chineeze right now better call dex ;) nothin like an orange chikaan and soem fun hong kong style rice noodles :D
IT'S NOT WHAT YOU EAT IT'S HOW YOU EAT IT!
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You say he did not have Ronnie Colemans and Arnolds genetics..No he did not..Those guys have superior genetics..The Cheq thing ??? what the hell is that supposed to mean..Obviously you are from Cheq..I have been to Prauge and actually to tell ya the truth 70% of my friends are from the Cheq Republic.IFBB Pro ----- a good buddy of mine is from Cheq and he had some health problems.There are some big Cheq guys forshur yes they do grow them big. So this Cheq guy you speak of who is he??
But come on get off the SHITTY genetics thing..As far as his physique goes it is above average genetics.Big Mike was very complete and was a top pro when he was on..Take a look at his short carrer..It is impressive ..You can not deny that..
Peace D
i never said his career was not impressive!! i also said he was a very good bodybuilder. no I AM NOT CHEQ! and the example of the cheq guy was in general to show you what good genetics is! a guy from russia or cheq republic that gets in the gym 6'1 20 inch arms and you think he is on the souce before he even started training seriously! ..maybe did some sdi:D and amino products and worked in the house on his bowflex...yet he looks like a freak and looks better than the junior national competitor that sit on hormones all day long!! thats what i meant
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i never said his career was not impressive!! i also said he was a very good bodybuilder. no I AM NOT CHEQ! and the example of the cheq guy was in general to show you what good genetics is! a guy from russia or cheq republic that gets in the gym 6'1 20 inch arms and you think he is on the souce before he even started training seriously! ..maybe did some sdi:D and amino products and worked in the house on his bowflex...yet he looks like a freak and looks better than the junior national competitor that sit on hormones all day long!! thats what i meant
cool thanks for the comps. :)
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cool thanks for the comps. :)
Ha ha Alexxxxxxxx your back!!!!!
How was time out? i think we annoyed Ron so much he let u come back ;D
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Ha ha Alexxxxxxxx your back!!!!!
How was time out? i think we annoyed Ron so much he let u come back ;D
hehehe I apreciate it! I was stuck with some complete lunatics! They are still there ;D
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gh15 has good post's ,i remember back in mid nineties the usa's and nationals top 10 were tough all pro potenial not like today anyway francois and newman were ameteurs ad did a side by side comparision betwwen the golden boy and francois the power bber .to think really bad illness stopped both career's short ,at least francios won some big show's.
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i remember back in mid nineties the usa's and nationals top 10 were tough all pro potenial not like today anyway francois and newman were ameteurs ad did a side by side comparision betwwen the golden boy and francois the power bber .to think really bad illness stopped both career's short ,at least francios won some big show's.
I totaly agree..There were alot better Physiques coming up through the 90s.
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His first 3 shows :
Arnold Classic : 1st place
Night of champions : 1st place
San jose pro : 1st place.
Not In that order.
Still pretty impressive !!!
I believe you missed one. Francois' very first show was the 1994 Chicago Pro, which he won. A week later, he entered the Night of Champions and emerged victorious, defeating a top 5 that consisted of Nasser El Sonbaty (2nd), John Sherman (3rd), Alq Gurley (4th), and Mike Quinn (5th).
In 1995 he pulled off somewhat of an upset by defeating Flex Wheeler to win the Arnold Classic. However, most will acknowledge that Wheeler was not as his best, as he prematurely came back to compete after that severe car accident of his. Wheeler was supposed to enter the San Jose to avenge his ASC loss but withdrew, due to illness. Francois beat Wheeler one more time at the '95 Olympia, where he placed 7th to Wheeler's 8th. But, once Wheeler got back into his prime form, he defeated Francois every time the two of them competed against each other.
As for why Francois left bodybuilding, I thought he had colitis, not cancer.
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ok im goin to sleep after this
if the dude had amazing genetics he wouldnt quit due to illness and wouldnt f**k himself up. get the amazing genetics garbage out of your vocabulary...
let milos train a kid from age 16-17 and feed him lots of calories + good training + hormones at the right time and dose and he will be just as thick. enough of that genetics crap already man,,
Flex Wheeler had Colitis ...just like Francios. Do you think that Flex had bad genetics?
Do you think Dennis Newman, Don Long, Flex Wheeler, Mike Mattarazzo, Tom Prince have bad Genetics because they had illnesses?
Mike Francios was one of the few pros who had quads that were nearly as thick down near the knee joint as they were up near the hip.
His biceps were super peaked too.
He had no weakness.
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AWESOME BACK AND HAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BAD ABS AND GUT THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
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AWESOME BACK AND HAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BAD ABS AND GUT THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
??? bro his abs are better than yours midget!
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At 1995 Arnold where he handed Flex his ass
Uhhh, No. It could have gone either way. Haney himself he thought Flex had it because Francois was too blocky.
I need to download the 95 Arnold, cause it was a good lineup.
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What I think gh15 is referring to IS genetics. Just like the ability to put on mass, have good muscle bellies, long tie-ins, small waist, etc., the ability for one's body (i.e.- liver and kidneys) to absorb the stress of heavy and long-term androgen use is GENETIC. That is why Coleman is an amazing freak, because his guts can take it. A lot of guys using MUCH less gear are pissing blood and have ALT and AST (liver function tests) levels through the roof. That's why so many guys disappear so soon or cancel shows left and right due to "illness."
A guy like Kevin Levrone, who's ego can handle being small during 6 months of the year, allows his organs to "rest" and can extend his career to well over a decade. The problem now is that (again, as gh15 mentions, sort of) is that quality gear is MUCH more difficult to come by, originally because of Big Brother criminalizing 'roids, and recently with the shut-down of QV, Denkall, etc. (I use the term "quality" loosely when it comes to the mentioned Mexican companies). Now guys are using GH and slin, among other non-androgens, since they are much more readily available and are not on the controlled substances list, but the result is a different looking BBer.
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You're thinking of Jean Peire Fux
Right!... leg day today... no blood in bain... :P
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Insane biceps
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Mike was a heavy hitter
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What I think gh15 is referring to IS genetics. Just like the ability to put on mass, have good muscle bellies, long tie-ins, small waist, etc., the ability for one's body (i.e.- liver and kidneys) to absorb the stress of heavy and long-term androgen use is GENETIC. That is why Coleman is an amazing freak, because his guts can take it. A lot of guys using MUCH less gear are pissing blood and have ALT and AST (liver function tests) levels through the roof. That's why so many guys disappear so soon or cancel shows left and right due to "illness."
A guy like Kevin Levrone, who's ego can handle being small during 6 months of the year, allows his organs to "rest" and can extend his career to well over a decade. The problem now is that (again, as gh15 mentions, sort of) is that quality gear is MUCH more difficult to come by, originally because of Big Brother criminalizing 'roids, and recently with the shut-down of QV, Denkall, etc. (I use the term "quality" loosely when it comes to the mentioned Mexican companies). Now guys are using GH and slin, among other non-androgens, since they are much more readily available and are not on the controlled substances list, but the result is a different looking BBer.
I've posted this very same thing about genetics countless of times on tis board. Genetics is not just "beautiful lines" or "great structure". how a body responds to gear, proness to injury, muscle shape/insertions, metabolism rate, skin thickness, recovery capability, etc.
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Narcissist : do you have any more pics from that issue of flex where mike is squating ???
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Narcissist : do you have any more pics from that issue of flex where mike is squating ???
I don't think so , but I'll check and if I do I'll post them .
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the gear was heads and shoulder's above all the ug shit around today. gh15 touched a little on parabolan, problably the best all around size & quality drug available in the early nineties. it was unreal how it could change a person's physique almost overnight :'(
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You're thinking of Jean Peire Fux
Yes, he had to quit because he had severe colidis. (Stomach issues)
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astro ,parabolan= trenbolon. which you can buy ,shit you can even make your own quite easily.
gear today is better,dont get into those retarted arguments about old school drugs and such.
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so you've used gear from both era's then?
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Whatever happened to Francois, wasn't he supposed to be the second coming at one point?
uncerative colitis
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the gear was heads and shoulder's above all the ug shit around today. gh15 touched a little on parabolan, problably the best all around size & quality drug available in the early nineties. it was unreal how it could change a person's physique almost overnight :'(
Parabolan was great stuff. I do remember it making me extra aggressive...to the point of wanting to destroy any one who dared even make eye contact with me while training. It was either that or the low carb dieting :-\
Either way, I'm much more mellow now :)
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??? bro his abs are better than yours midget!
Alexxx, my gramma has a harder chest than you do
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Flex Wheeler had Colitis ...just like Francios. Do you think that Flex had bad genetics?
Do you think Dennis Newman, Don Long, Flex Wheeler, Mike Mattarazzo, Tom Prince have bad Genetics because they had illnesses?
Mike Francios was one of the few pros who had quads that were nearly as thick down near the knee joint as they were up near the hip.
His biceps were super peaked too.
He had no weakness.
nonono....let me clarify one thing that is very very important!
all of those individuals you mentioned quit bodybuilding ONLY DUE TO HORMONE USE THAT RESULTED IN HEALTH PROBLEMS! ALL OF THEM PERIOD! WHAT THEY SAY IS ONE THING AND THE REALITY IN THEIR HOSPITAL FILES IS ANOTHER THING. NO HOSPITAL WRITE ANYWHERE THAT EVERYTHING IS DUE TO THE USE OF OVERDOSED TOXICS AND IN MANY TIMES THE COMBO OF PAIN KILLERS/HORMONES/NARCS....NO HOSPITAL WRITE IT BECAUSE IT IS VERY HARD TO PROVE. IT IS AS A DIRECT RESULT OF HORMONAL USE WITH A COMBO OF FEW OTHER FACTORS...AND THIS PROBLEMS WOULD NEVER COME TO LIGHT IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE NOT BODYBUILDERS WHO HAD TO TAKE THEIR PHYSIQE TO A NATIONAL LEVEL. THATS THAT
take a good hard look at those individuals you mentioned! go and take current,on the spot pic, when they wake up in the morning oR even after they eat their last meal of the day....you will see a whole diff pic my friend
all the individuals you mentioned look as of today like an everyday person walking down the steet and the majority of them look even less than the evryday person walking down the street because their health is fucked up...(not even talkin bout the hormonal system because the hormonal system as i come to discover during the years is more in your head than anything else)
now...to be specific what i meant is:
newman = average genetics
old mike = average genetics
ken wheeler = average genetics
don long = average genetics
matta = average genetics
and yes i forgot him ...prince = average geneteics
i didnt say their genetics was bad because none of them would be able to do anything in bodybuilding and would quit way before he did a state show but their "GENETICS" didnt hold to what it takes inorder to survive bodybuilding.
old mike can have legs as big as the ocean and arms as big a mountain but it dont change the fact that he is melting genetically next to ron, ray, old arnie (that can still be as big as anyone even after his heart problems at age 60) and many others.
by the way you can have average genetics and become top pro. just take a look at mr yates.
ken was runner up mr o yes he was amazing bodybuilder....but im sorry to tell you my friend...if he get next to you today in the gym you will most likley not recognize him and im pretty sure you will think youre bigger (not sure you will be but trust me you will think that ;))
if you look twards good "GENETICS" as you call it...i suggest you look twards kevin and such
im hungry im going to eat
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mike had a great build,eddy robinson type of look that only comes from years of lifting some serious poundage on basic exercises
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nonono....let me clarify one thing that is very very important!
all of those individuals you mentioned quit bodybuilding ONLY DUE TO HORMONE USE THAT RESULTED IN HEALTH PROBLEMS! ALL OF THEM PERIOD! WHAT THEY SAY IS ONE THING AND THE REALITY IN THEIR HOSPITAL FILES IS ANOTHER THING. NO HOSPITAL WRITE ANYWHERE THAT EVERYTHING IS DUE TO THE USE OF OVERDOSED TOXICS AND IN MANY TIMES THE COMBO OF PAIN KILLERS/HORMONES/NARCS....NO HOSPITAL WRITE IT BECAUSE IT IS VERY HARD TO PROVE. IT IS AS A DIRECT RESULT OF HORMONAL USE WITH A COMBO OF FEW OTHER FACTORS...AND THIS PROBLEMS WOULD NEVER COME TO LIGHT IF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE NOT BODYBUILDERS WHO HAD TO TAKE THEIR PHYSIQE TO A NATIONAL LEVEL. THATS THAT
take a good hard look at those individuals you mentioned! go and take current,on the spot pic, when they wake up in the morning oR even after they eat their last meal of the day....you will see a whole diff pic my friend
all the individuals you mentioned look as of today like an everyday person walking down the steet and the majority of them look even less than the evryday person walking down the street because their health is fucked up...(not even talkin bout the hormonal system because the hormonal system as i come to discover during the years is more in your head than anything else)
now...to be specific what i meant is:
newman = average genetics
old mike = average genetics
ken wheeler = average genetics
don long = average genetics
matta = average genetics
and yes i forgot him ...prince = average geneteics
i didnt say their genetics was bad because none of them would be able to do anything in bodybuilding and would quit way before he did a state show but their "GENETICS" didnt hold to what it takes inorder to survive bodybuilding.
old mike can have legs as big as the ocean and arms as big a mountain but it dont change the fact that he is melting genetically next to ron, ray, old arnie (that can still be as big as anyone even after his heart problems at age 60) and many others.
by the way you can have average genetics and become top pro. just take a look at mr yates.
ken was runner up mr o yes he was amazing bodybuilder....but im sorry to tell you my friend...if he get next to you today in the gym you will most likley not recognize him and im pretty sure you will think youre bigger (not sure you will be but trust me you will think that ;))
if you look twards good "GENETICS" as you call it...i suggest you look twards kevin and such
im hungry im going to eat
GH - I want to understand your point a little better. By bad genetics you are referring to their inability to handle prolonged usage of hormones? If so, I would agree.
If not, I would hardly say that Newman had avg genetics. I was training at around the same time as Dennis was coming up. We both trained at the old Powerhouse in Huntington Beach. I remember he was putting on about 20-30 lbs per year, while eating & training like shit. I on the other hand, while juicing as much as he was, training harder/eating better, was barely putting on 10 lean lbs. per year. So, in that sense, he seemed to me like a genetically gifted freak...
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Parabolan was great stuff. I do remember it making me extra aggressive...to the point of wanting to destroy any one who dared even make eye contact with me while training. It was either that or the low carb dieting :-\
Either way, I'm much more mellow now :)
Were you using Animal Pak? ;D
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Were you using Animal Pak? ;D
No way. I'm not "hardcore" enough...
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try animal pak 2... twice the price, half the junk
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This is the only other one I could find !!
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His quad thickness was just extraordinary
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GH - I want to understand your point a little better. By bad genetics you are referring to their inability to handle prolonged usage of hormones? If so, I would agree.
If not, I would hardly say that Newman had avg genetics. I was training at around the same time as Dennis was coming up. We both trained at the old Powerhouse in Huntington Beach. I remember he was putting on about 20-30 lbs per year, while eating & training like shit. I on the other hand, while juicing as much as he was, training harder/eating better, was barely putting on 10 lean lbs. per year. So, in that sense, he seemed to me like a genetically gifted freak...
ofcourse im refering to the usage of hormones... we are talking bout top amatuer/pro bodybuilding here..anything i refer to like i said many times before takes hormones into consideration...
let me describe you the last 5 hours of my life....i woke up around noon....drank a container of eggwhites about 15-20 eggwhites ate 4 waffles ate 2 bananas and went to train ...was in the gym 50 min trained biceps triceps....6 sets biceps 2 per exercise to failure....6 sets triceps 2 per exercise to failure...flexed in the mirror went did 4/15 roman chair abdominals and woopteedeedoo was back in my jeep on my way home.....got home drank another little container of eggwhites mixed with very low fat chokolate milk...went to get chinease...ate it 80 min post training....noodels, curry chiken 2 spring rolls...was good...now i just finished another meal this time chikens and potatos and now im eating penut butter reeses icecream....
dont know bout anyone else but it always worked for me....you want those 20/30lb you gotta eat .....you want that 20/30lb you gotta train the muscle as fast as possible, as perfect as possible and get the hell out of there...
im sure newman did exactly same thing because this is the only way to get there....only thing i do not agree with is the fact that he trained like shit....because he might worked 40 min but in those 40 min the 3 exercises he did were performed to perfection and in those 40 min he got what he needed and wanted nothin more nothin less.
the word is SIMPLICITY. the more simple you keep it the bigger your muscles will get. a little secret ...if you guys want your arms to go past 17.5 up to 18.5 and then 19.5....try to go 2 sets per exercise insted of 4...like dorian said cut it in half BUT do it right!...you will be amazed what this and little hormones can do.
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ofcourse im refering to the usage of hormones... we are talking bout top amatuer/pro bodybuilding here..anything i refer to like i said many times before takes hormones into consideration...
let me describe you the last 5 hours of my life....i woke up around noon....drank a container of eggwhites about 15-20 eggwhites ate 4 waffles ate 2 bananas and went to train ...was in the gym 50 min trained biceps triceps....6 sets biceps 2 per exercise to failure....6 sets triceps 2 per exercise to failure...flexed in the mirror went did 4/15 roman chair abdominals and woopteedeedoo was back in my jeep on my way home.....got home drank another little container of eggwhites mixed with very low fat chokolate milk...went to get chinease...ate it 80 min post training....noodels, curry chiken 2 spring rolls...was good...now i just finished another meal this time chikens and potatos and now im eating penut butter reeses icecream....
dont know bout anyone else but it always worked for me....you want those 20/30lb you gotta eat .....you want that 20/30lb you gotta train the muscle as fast as possible, as perfect as possible and get the hell out of there...
im sure newman did exactly same thing because this is the only way to get there....only thing i do not agree with is the fact that he trained like shit....because he might worked 40 min but in those 40 min the 3 exercises he did were performed to perfection and in those 40 min he got what he needed and wanted nothin more nothin less.
the word is SIMPLICITY. the more simple you keep it the bigger your muscles will get. a little secret ...if you guys want your arms to go past 17.5 up to 18.5 and then 19.5....try to go 2 sets per exercise insted of 4...like dorian said cut it in half BUT do it right!...you will be amazed what this and little hormones can do.
I always trained short/intense and kept my diet simple. What I mean by Dennis training like shit, was that his intensity was weak. He barely went to failure, but he did a lot of half assed sets. At least he was strong though...
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His quad thickness was just extraordinary
Quads look as round as basketballs! :o
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Narcissist : Thank you. I think that was the pic I was looking for.