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U can't even move any weight on side laterals and still they're more taxing than a set of heavy squats ???
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U can't even move any weight on side laterals and still they're more taxing than a set of heavy squats ???
Because you’re a pussy.
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I always do them one arm at a time, machine or dumbell. For me standing barbell curls are really taxing.
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Lately, Ive been doing them sideways on an incline bench and I find this way easier to minimize traps taking over.
I remember Squadfather hated the lateral raise variation where you lean away and do the lateral raise.
And I’m sick and tired of hearing the advice from everyone and their brother on YouTube about not doing front raises because apparently everyone’s front delts are over developed!!
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U can't even move any weight on side laterals and still they're more taxing than a set of heavy squats ???
You're kidding, right?
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U can't even move any weight on side laterals and still they're more taxing than a set of heavy squats ???
“unwieldy”, you said that you were leaving.
bye
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And I’m sick and tired of hearing the advice from everyone and their brother on YouTube about not doing front raises because apparently everyone’s front delts are over developed!!
It's not really even correct to call it just a front delt exercise, depends a bit on hand angle. On cables you can hit side delts very well with forward movement. dj put me onto this dude Ryan Humiston and he has a lot of interesting variations for all bodyparts. And keep the androgens elevated.
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Lately, Ive been doing them sideways on an incline bench and I find this way easier to minimize traps taking over.
I remember Squadfather hated the lateral raise variation where you lean away and do the lateral raise.
And I’m sick and tired of hearing the advice from everyone and their brother on YouTube about not doing front raises because apparently everyone’s front delts are over developed!!
Yeah, like we've all got over developed front delts and pecs. I wish!
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I always do them one arm at a time, machine or dumbell. For me standing barbell curls are really taxing.
Try with dumbells. More easy on the back.
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U can't even move any weight on side laterals and still they're more taxing than a set of heavy squats ???
Half the weight and using only the delts, with no sway, would give the same result, if not better.
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Moderate to light weight,highish reps...... "pull" physically and mentally, with your lateral head only, hold for a second or two at the top for peak contraction......(HINT,yOU CANNOT DO THIS WHEN EGO LIFTING SO PUT DOWN THE 80 POUNDERS.... THANK ME LATER)........lower using the power of the lateral head as much as possible.....do not let the weight just fall to the bottom position.....you are supposed to be in control.
I tip mine at the top as if pouring out a liquid........bro-science?.........maybe but I always had good delts.
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Half the weight and using only the delts, with no sway, would give the same result, if not better.
Exactly....it`s a leverage/hinge type of movement.......good post Falco !!
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You are supposed to breath in as you go down, breath out as you go up, and then you yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY!!!!" and then its easier.
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Almost impossible to eliminate or minimize the trap with side lats. Thats the function of the trap.
Want to make sure the medial delt is hit more? Don't go all the way down. Medial delt kicks in after 15deg of arm abduction (i.e. lifting your arm out to the side). Total ROM of the muscle is 15 - 90deg of abduction.
It will also 'assist' with the internal rotation (pouring a cup) motion but thats not one of its main roles. People wonder why side laterals sometimes 'hurt' the shoulder...they most likely have an issue with the supraspinatus muscle (one of the rotator cuff muscles) which initiates arm abduction from 0 - 15 deg.
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Almost impossible to eliminate or minimize the trap with side lats. Thats the function of the trap.
Want to make sure the medial delt is hit more? Don't go all the way down. Medial delt kicks in after 15deg of arm abduction (i.e. lifting your arm out to the side). Total ROM of the muscle is 15 - 90deg of abduction.
It will also 'assist' with the internal rotation (pouring a cup) motion but thats not one of its main roles. People wonder why side laterals sometimes 'hurt' the shoulder...they most likely have an issue with the supraspinatus muscle (one of the rotator cuff muscles) which initiates arm abduction from 0 - 15 deg.
Great info! Thank you. If someone had issues with scapular winging, would you advise against side raises?
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Exactly....it`s a leverage/hinge type of movement.......good post Falco !!
Thank you wise one.
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Try with dumbells. More easy on the back.
DJ191 style, just quit the gym and buy some dumbbells and chairs for dips.
So hard on the body 3 sets is all you can take, wuss
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i like doing them one arm at a time, standing, holding the other db in other hand for balance... i do curls like this too for a couple sets.. easier to concentrate for me.
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Almost impossible to eliminate or minimize the trap with side lats. Thats the function of the trap.
Want to make sure the medial delt is hit more? Don't go all the way down. Medial delt kicks in after 15deg of arm abduction (i.e. lifting your arm out to the side). Total ROM of the muscle is 15 - 90deg of abduction.
It will also 'assist' with the internal rotation (pouring a cup) motion but thats not one of its main roles. People wonder why side laterals sometimes 'hurt' the shoulder...they most likely have an issue with the supraspinatus muscle (one of the rotator cuff muscles) which initiates arm abduction from 0 - 15 deg.
Especially hard to eliminate trap use with higher reps.
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Great info! Thank you. If someone had issues with scapular winging, would you advise against side raises?
It actually may be a useful exercise because the serratus anterior assists with lateral movement and the serratus is one of the potential issues with scapular winging.
Problem with winging is what is the cause...is it muscular or neurological. The approach to fix would be a bit different
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put the dumbells away and try tension bands
Way more difficult
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Thank you wise one.
You are welcome young Jedi !!! lol ;D
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Almost impossible to eliminate or minimize the trap with side lats. Thats the function of the trap.
Want to make sure the medial delt is hit more? Don't go all the way down. Medial delt kicks in after 15deg of arm abduction (i.e. lifting your arm out to the side). Total ROM of the muscle is 15 - 90deg of abduction.
It will also 'assist' with the internal rotation (pouring a cup) motion but thats not one of its main roles. People wonder why side laterals sometimes 'hurt' the shoulder...they most likely have an issue with the supraspinatus muscle (one of the rotator cuff muscles) which initiates arm abduction from 0 - 15 deg.
Fucking guy is supposed to be my friend but keeps on stealing my posts !!!!!!!!!!1111 :(
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Fucking guy is supposed to be my friend but keeps on stealing my posts !!!!!!!!!!1111 :(
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Sorry Danimal77
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Sorry Danimal77
LOL ;D
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The only thing I do for shoulders any more is laterals and rear delt. I use 12-15lbs and slight bend in arm, tipped forward the whole way,going from about 6-8” away from hips and going till slightly above shoulder height pause for 1-2 seconds each rep and last row of each set pause for 5-10 seconds. I do about 15-20 sets of laterals once a week. Shoulders are the best they have ever looked.
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Running The Rack,Triple Drop- Sets,Laterals Behind The Back,both with DB`s and cables, and a few more have always worked great for me.
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Running The Rack,Triple Drop- Sets,Laterals Behind The Back,both with DB`s and cables, and a few more have always worked great for me.
This,,,
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The only thing I do for shoulders any more is laterals and rear delt. I use 12-15lbs and slight bend in arm, tipped forward the whole way,going from about 6-8” away from hips and going till slightly above shoulder height pause for 1-2 seconds each rep and last row of each set pause for 5-10 seconds. I do about 15-20 sets of laterals once a week. Shoulders are the best they have ever looked.
If u wann build huge cannonball delts there's now way around super-heavy side laterals
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If u wann build huge cannonball delts there's now way around super-heavy side laterals
how to do a side lateral and manage to take the deltoid totally out of the equasion.
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It´s funny when idiots attach bands to free weights ???
From my experience use one or the other but bands will not build size like free weights.
DB side laterals ..bread & butter exercise
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It´s funny when idiots attach bands to free weights ???
From my experience use one or the other but bands will not build size like free weights.
DB side laterals ..bread & butter exercise
bands put way more strain on the muscle than a dumbbell
With a band the tension never comes off, with a dumbell the downward is uncontrolled (for most people) and allows the muscle to rest with a band you have to resist it.
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bands put way more strain on the muscle than a dumbbell
With a band the tension never comes off, with a dumbell the downward is uncontrolled (for most people) and allows the muscle to rest with a band you have to resist it.
Yeah i know all this but this was said years ago about cables.. oddly enough no one has built big Guns doing cable curls or a big set of wheels doing sissy squats.
cables are OK but not the main stay of a mass routine
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Yeah i know all this but this was said years ago about cables.. oddly enough no one has built big Guns doing cable curls or a big set of wheels doing sissy squats.
cables are OK but not the main stay of a mass routine
great, now explain how a muscle knows the difference between a dumbell and a cable?
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great, now explain how a muscle knows the difference between a dumbell and a cable?
why are some eggs Brown & some are white?
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why are some eggs Brown & some are white?
depends on the colour of the hens legs...
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why are some eggs Brown & some are white?
because some hens are slags and will have any colour cock
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depends on the colour of the hens anus...
:D
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bands put way more strain on the muscle than a dumbbell
With a band the tension never comes off, with a dumbell the downward is uncontrolled (for most people) and allows the muscle to rest with a band you have to resist it.
You have to resist both. I think you meant to say that at some point there is little to no tension on the muscle with the DB but with a band there will 'always' be tension. That is more of a 'physics' thing because of where you have the band running vs. the db.
Also, a DB will always be the weight....with a band, the farther you stretch, the more 'weight' (tension) on it.
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You have to resist both. I think you meant to say that at some point there is little to no tension on the muscle with the DB but with a band there will 'always' be tension. That is more of a 'physics' thing because of where you have the band running vs. the db.
Also, a DB will always be the weight....with a band, the farther you stretch, the more 'weight' (tension) on it.
excellent post & he makes a big thing on here about how he does so many pull ups at 60..what then is the difference if he (by his thinking ) just used bands or lat pull downs?
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You have to resist both. I think you meant to say that at some point there is little to no tension on the muscle with the DB but with a band there will 'always' be tension. That is more of a 'physics' thing because of where you have the band running vs. the db.
Also, a DB will always be the weight....with a band, the farther you stretch, the more 'weight' (tension) on it.
you can let dumbells fall, try that with a resistance band and it drags you down.
Next time you see someone throwing dumbells up and down go and give them a tension band see how they go, trust me I have humbled a few at the gym with tension bands.
You can humble huge bodybuilders by asking them to do 20 press ups
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you can let dumbells fall, try that with a resistance band and it drags you down.
Next time you see someone throwing dumbells up and down go and give them a tension band see how they go, trust me I have humbled a few at the gym with tension bands.
You can humble huge bodybuilders by asking them to do 20 press ups
:D
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put the dumbells away and try tension bands
Way more difficult
You can leave them out and still try the bands.
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great, now explain how a muscle knows the difference between a dumbell and a cable Bhanky?
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You can leave them out and still try the bands.
and then put the bands away once you realise it doesnt look as impressive to the other men in the gym even though they are much harder to do.
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and then put the bands away once you realise it doesnt look as impressive to the other men in the gym even though they are much harder to do.
Truthfully, I love bands.
I use them mostly for banded box squats, earthquake bar style bench, rotational wood choppers, core stuff.....
But also for pressdowns, curls, and some chest stuff.....no doubt you feel it much more.
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Remember that Larry Scott believed his cannonballs came from heavy, cheating laterals
Try with dumbells. More easy on the back.
It's the hard ab bracing that is taxing ass (one the curls). DB laterals I always do one arm a time and grabbing something with the other. Range feels longer, I can do more weight.
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You have to resist both. I think you meant to say that at some point there is little to no tension on the muscle with the DB but with a band there will 'always' be tension. That is more of a 'physics' thing because of where you have the band running vs. the db.
Also, a DB will always be the weight....with a band, the farther you stretch, the more 'weight' (tension) on it.
agreed, so it gets harder as you raise your arm, ie the resistance increases.
also with a band you can let it slide through your hand at the end of a set and carry on (like a drop set) without having to put down dumbells and pick another set up
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excellent post & he makes a big thing on here about how he does so many pull ups at 60..what then is the difference if he (by his thinking ) just used bands or lat pull downs?
pull ups are the best dignity stripper in any bodybuilding gym
Even press ups are a killer for some big bench press guys
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pull ups are the best dignity stripper in any bodybuilding gym
Even press ups are a killer for some big bench press guys
Are you still focusing on the pull ups?
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Are you still focusing on the pull ups?
been injured and unwell for a while, just getting back into training again
Having treatment on my elbow, still struggling with the tendon near the humerus/elbow
still maxed out at 15 reps
was doing sets of 3 sets of 4 reps with 20k
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Bands are awesome for shoulders and arms. I absolutely get smoked using bands and love the no strain on the joints as well.
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been injured and unwell for a while, just getting back into training again
Having treatment on my elbow, still struggling with the tendon near the humerus/elbow
still maxed out at 15 reps
was doing sets of 3 sets of 4 reps with 20k
Ok 8)
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pull ups are the best dignity stripper in any bodybuilding gym
Even press ups are a killer for some big bench press guys
But even you must agree no Mr O was built using Bands, sure as an accessory they´re OK. I have Bands myself but no way they can replace a good Olympic weight set, power rack & Bench.. :)
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you can let dumbells fall, try that with a resistance band and it drags you down.
Next time you see someone throwing dumbells up and down go and give them a tension band see how they go, trust me I have humbled a few at the gym with tension bands.
You can humble huge bodybuilders by asking them to do 20 press ups
If I don't resist a band, it comes down...just like a DB. Either I am active with lifting/resisting both or I am not
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If I don't resist a band, it comes down...just like a DB. Either I am active with lifting/resisting both or I am not
A dumbell falls with gravity, a band pulls you down as it retracts..
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A dumbell falls with gravity, a band pulls you down as it retracts..
The laws of Gravity apply even to bands ::)
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The laws of Gravity apply even to bands ::)
Jesus you need how elastic works explaining to you?
Why do you think catapults are made with elastic and not string...?
If you drop a pebble off a bridge and then shoot one out of a catapult which one will hit the ground first?
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Jesus you need how elastic works explaining to you?
Why do you think catapults are made with elastic and not string...?
If you drop a pebble off a bridge and then shoot one out of a catapult which one will hit the ground first?
Joe, no one was arguing about the force of an object returning down (or elastic potential energy). Releasing tension on both, there will be NO tension on the muscles involved. Zero....None....Nada.
Die on this hill if you want...your thinking is flawed.
However, using your pebble and then catapult.....
Height of 10 DB being dropped = 4ft. that would result in approximately 40 ft·lbf (≈ 54 J)
If you let go of a 5lb resistance band, the force is less than 10 ft-lbf
Now, you want to talk velocity of the object. This is NOT what the whole discussion is about. Of course the band will have more velocity as there is recoil involved with the band whereas the DB has none. Then again, if you use a 5lb band and a weight of 10lb db, the DB actually (potentially) may hit first if all you are doing is letting go of the band and not 'launching' it into the ground.
The force of the dumbell will be constant due to no change in weight and the effect of gravity (i.e. g=9.8 m/s sq.). As stated above, the band has elastic potential.
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Joe, no one was arguing about the force of an object returning down (or elastic potential energy). Releasing tension on both, there will be NO tension on the muscles involved. Zero....None....Nada.
Die on this hill if you want...your thinking is flawed.
However, using your pebble and then catapult.....
Height of 10 DB being dropped = 4ft. that would result in approximately 40 ft·lbf (≈ 54 J)
If you let go of a 5lb resistance band, the force is less than 10 ft-lbf
Now, you want to talk velocity of the object. This is NOT what the whole discussion is about. Of course the band will have more velocity as there is recoil involved with the band whereas the DB has none. Then again, if you use a 5lb band and a weight of 10lb db, the DB actually (potentially) may hit first if all you are doing is letting go of the band and not 'launching' it into the ground.
The force of the dumbell will be constant due to no change in weight and the effect of gravity (i.e. g=9.8 m/s sq.). As stated above, the band has elastic potential.
I sense you are overthinking it...
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I sense you are overthinking it...
What you are sensing is your attempt at trying to sound smart with the whole pebble/catapult thing getting flushed down the shitter.
Bottom line....not resisting either the band or the DB results in NO eccentric phase of movement. Not this whole "band pulls you down as it retracts". The DB will do the same thing. One is using elastic force (and minor gravity), the other is gravity
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What you are sensing is your attempt at trying to sound smart with the whole pebble/catapult thing getting flushed down the shitter.
Bottom line....not resisting either the band or the DB results in NO eccentric phase of movement. Not this whole "band pulls you down as it retracts". The DB will do the same thing. One is using elastic force (and minor gravity), the other is gravity
Bands are harder than dumbells
FACT
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Bands are harder than dumbells
FACT
Yes, that's why every champion BB uses bands. ::)
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Bands are harder than dumbells
FACT
Opinion as there are variables. Beyond that, your statement does not address the original point.....not resisting either of them results in no eccentric and the arm returns to neutral.
FACT
Keep trying though.
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Hahahaha.
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Yes, that's why every champion BB uses bands. ::)
champion bodybuilders are notoriously lazy..
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When I don’t feel like driving to the gym, I use bands at home. I must say, if I do 15 reps of side laterals with a band, my shoulders are on fire. I don’t feel that level of intensity if I use dumbbells.
I know absolutely nothing about exercise science. I only know how to pick something up and put it down to the extent I don’t injure myself in the gym. But with the bands it seems like there’s greater control on the downward movement.
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When I don’t feel like driving to the gym, I use bands at home. I must say, if I do 15 reps of side laterals with a band, my shoulders are on fire. I don’t feel that level of intensity if I use dumbbells.
I know absolutely nothing about exercise science. I only know how to pick something up and put it down to the extent I don’t injure myself in the gym. But with the bands it seems like there’s greater control on the downward movement.
even using a Bullworker will produce muscle tonus but nothing like a Barbell set will..
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Ban bands !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 :D
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Ban bands !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 :D
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Bands are harder than dumbells
FACT
Would it be because bands offer little to no resistance early on vs significantly more going almost exponential near maximum stretch so the force curve o whatever it’s called s not ideal for hypertrophy? Seems to have application for power generation though.
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Would it be because bands offer little to no resistance early on vs significantly more going almost exponential near maximum stretch so the force curve o whatever it’s called s not ideal for hypertrophy? Seems to have application for power generation though.
Im not sure a muscle knows what a "force curve" is