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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Lift Studios on May 12, 2006, 04:40:22 PM
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70 total NPC competitors registered. There were a few additions and those that dropped out of the IFBB Pro line up.Women - Gina Alotti decided to make her pro debut and there are 3-4 others that decided to compete. I will get the full line up later tonight.
No show men:
George Farah
Frank Roberson
Ahmad Haidar
Ed Van Amsterdam
JoJo Ntiforo
I believe one or two others may not have checked in. Kai Greene and Rodney St. Cloud showed up late to the meeting and nearly missed checkin. They were the only two additions to the men that I am aware of. Ken Jones expressed his displeasure that all men would not be doing their full routine. The top 15 will do their full routines the rest will receive 1 minute to do a routine. Ken Jones, "That's not right." To which Shawn replied, "Some shows the guys out of the top 15 don't do a routine at all. At the end of the day it's still a contest." Jones, "I hope it's judged fairly." It was rather comedic. Given the line up I don't think we'll be seeing Ken doing his full routine.
Gary Strydom's arms looking simply insane. If the rest of him look as shredded, look out 'cause he's a monster.
Off to prejudging of the NPC and the IFBB pro women.
A pic of Shawn and Gary for yall...
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Gary certainly does look good.
This comeback trend is one of the only good things going for bodybuilding right now. Its a bit spice.
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LOL at Kenny Jones ;D
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I wonder why rodney and kai were late.. mmm
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Shaun is so short. Looks like a midget. LOL.
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i thought that was beete juice from howard stern
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Shaun is so whort. Looks like a midget. LOL.
He's not short.. Gary is just closer to the camera..
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I wonder why rodney and kai were late.. mmm
practicing their dance moves?
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Big Bill Wilmore is ready!!! I also some other guys. This is going to be a great line up.
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This will be a tough top 5 and even 5-10 will be no joke.
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Did Rusty enter?
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No Rusty but there is Rodney St. Cloud & Kai Greene who apparently have something "interesting" in store for their routines tomorrow night.
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No Rusty but there is Rodney St. Cloud & Kai Greene who apparently have something "interesting" in store for their routines tomorrow night.
LIFT, can you ask Shawn to just disqualify them now? You know it's going to be an embarassment to the show. Instead of talking about the terrific showdown, it'll be the Rodney-Kai story. And if anyone doesn't need a story about tri-sexual trysts, it's Shawn!
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240, don't be jealous, we can ask next time for you to join Rodney and Kai on stage :)
Anyway, the routines, which we saw a glimpse of it at the 2006 Ironman are entertaining, whereas some can consider it just dancing, others find it amusing. Both Rodney and Kai know they probably won't place in the top 5, so why not have some fun, and enjoy the show!
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How is Heath looking?
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LIFT, can you ask Shawn to just disqualify them now? You know it's going to be an embarassment to the show. Instead of talking about the terrific showdown, it'll be the Rodney-Kai story. And if anyone doesn't need a story about tri-sexual trysts, it's Shawn!
:o :o :o
How do you get this kind of info, 240???
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They almost didn't get to compete for showing up late to the competitor's meeting. Seeing their routine in person was bizarre but it was more entertaining then many of the pros.
The story will still be about the line up - the top 5 is no joke. My money is on Phil Heath to still take this show. I'm curious to see Strydom - if his entire physique looks as good as his arms did today, it should be interesting.
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:o :o :o
How do you get this kind of info, 240???
Rodney casually mentioned it this morning after a very satisfying foot rub. I knew he was up to something. I ran into Kai at the bathhouse later and he acted very secretive.
I can read between the lines.
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They almost didn't get to compete for showing up late to the competitor's meeting. Seeing their routine in person was bizarre but it was more entertaining then many of the pros.
The story will still be about the line up - the top 5 is no joke. My money is on Phil Heath to still take this show. I'm curious to see Strydom - if his entire physique looks as good as his arms did today, it should be interesting.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/kj_gethin/g4.jpg)
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Damm Gary looks great. I hope he does good.
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wow he is great
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(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/kj_gethin/g4.jpg)
:o
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Amateur Figure starts today's events. The one to watch and could win both the figure A class and the women's overall bodybuilding is Marina Lopez. There are only 5 female bodybuilders in this show.
Figure A - 10 competitors
Figure B - 8
Figure C - 11
Figure D - 9
3 - women's lighweight and 2 - Heavyweights
Other men who weren't on the original list for the pros -
Milton Holloway
Rod Ketchens
Dragan Paunovic
The complete line up of men will be:
Darrem Charles
Phil Heath
Bill Willmore
Marcus Haley
Jason Arntz
David Henry
Manfred Petautschnig
Miguel Filho
Johnny Moya
Evgeny Mishin
Martin Kjellstrom
Thomas Benagli
Pica Gian Enrico
Zoran Vejic
Derik Farnsworth
Eryk Bui
Gary Strydom
Ken Jones
Edson Prado
Troy Alves
Oliver Adzievski
Jeff "BOX" Long
Fabrizio Zittucro
Rodney St. Cloud
Kai Greene
Milton Holloway
Rod Ketchens
Dragan Paunovic
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Shawn Ray signs his life away on a Bobblehead of himself...
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Women's Pro Figure comparison photos are up at:
http://graphicmuscle.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_year&ContestYearID=676 (http://graphicmuscle.com/index.cfm?go2=contests_year&ContestYearID=676)
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How is Heath looking?
They all look in shape. This will be a great show.
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240, don't be jealous, we can ask next time for you to join Rodney and Kai on stage :)
Anyway, the routines, which we saw a glimpse of it at the 2006 Ironman are entertaining, whereas some can consider it just dancing, others find it amusing. Both Rodney and Kai know they probably won't place in the top 5, so why not have some fun, and enjoy the show!
The sad part is, Rodney could and should place in the top 5 if he is really in shape.
He isn't a bad bber
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Look at his face! He's either got the worst sunburn known to man, or he's doing his Don Youngblood imitation.
Maybe there's a good reason most pros retire by 40?
Let's hope Gary doesn't end up like ol' Don. :-\
Dude, he's flexing... give the man a break!
-HOS
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When are the prejudging ?
has it started yet ?
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Prediction from a Judge of the Colorado Pro
Chad said that a judge called him and it should be
1) Darrem Charles
2) Phil Health
3) David Henry
4) Marcus Haley
5) Gary Strydom
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wilmore should win Number 1 in terms of beauty.
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Report is up at www.flexonline.com
Photos to follow
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I don't see the report dude?
-HOS
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It's under...THE BIG STORY...(at the top of the page....)
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Kevin - good stuff. Can we re-post your story here for discussion purposes?
I'm going to have to disagree with the call on Dave Henry...he should be #1!
I agree 100% on Troy Alves. One of my impressions is that, if the PDI ever decides to actively solicit current pro bodybuilders, Troy is the guy from the IFBB they should go after. This isn't a PDI discussion, I know, but as great as he is, it looks like he's not going to be able to crack that upper echelon in the IFBB, however, with a different physique standard as the order of the day, he could dominate.
This is a really deep field, but the one guy being overlooked for the top spots is Miguel-something, #7. I've got him rated 4th, and no lower than 6th.
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Well, considering that the final callout was between Phil Heath and Darrem Charles - we are safe to assume that one of these two will be the champion of the Colorado Pro. Now, pretty much many people that I talked to said that it can go either way, although we do have a split count - some say Phil will win and become the rookie supestar and sensation of the IFBB, and some say it will go the Darrem Charles, a seasoned experienced vet who is usually underlooked and ready for another win. Either way, these two are great! Phil! or Darrem! Phil or Darrem! There are some serious bets on this from various people in the industry. Lets have fun!
David Henry looked good, so did Gary Strydom, who I have been told is absolutely remarkable coming back from not being in a competition in years. However, his posing leaves much to be desired, but 5th place is not out of the question here. Marcus Haley also looked very good.
Troy Alves was off, and looked so-so. Too bad. Johnny Moya was ripped and very hard on stage.
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Kevin - good stuff. Can we re-post your story here for discussion purposes?
I can't see any problem with that.
The photos are uploading at the moment but it's a very slow connection here at the hotel.
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The jury is out on who it will be for first. Some think Phil and others think Darrem. It's definitely close and no clear cut winner. There are "gurus" who are saying they know the top 5 who weren't even at the show. I was in the pit and most feel it is Phil's show however not everyone. Of course I am biased because I am friends with Phil and have seen him compete in every show. This was the best Phil has ever looked and as I mentioned weeks ago he would shock a number of people. Not only did he show them he deserved to be on stage he destroyed a number of seasoned vets. Props to Darrem for bringing his A game and if Phil wins he earned it. If he loses to Darrem no one would really argue. Phil attacked it the final round between Darrem and my nod of course goes to Phil.
Marcus Haley shocked a few people and is battling for top 5. Bill Will more looked good and received better call outs in the second round. Gary Strydom has to be one of the worst posers I've ever seen. If they guy would pose correctly he would show off his conditioning but the way he poses on stage is horrible. Johnny Moya was the hardest and best conditioned competitor on stage but didn't have the overall physique to carry him. My 5th place prediction as of last week was a wash. Eric Bui was very watery and at the bottom of the pack. Troy Alves was smooth in the glutes and hams and faded as the rounds went on. David Henry while having one of the best backs in the biz couldn't hang with Darrem and Phil this time.
Here are a couple pics of your top 2. Congrats to both Darrem and Phil. We'll see who takes home the first place prize tonight. Overall this was a good show with 1/2 the guys coming in great and the other half just so-so.
Check GraphicMuscle.com later for complete photo coverage.
Isaac
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The problem with Strydom is shoulder-drop. I don't know whether it's the result of injury or just what, but his left shoulder hangs, um, 'funny'. It almost looks as if he's physically unable to hold it level with his right side.
His muscle quality is undeniable, however, and I feel the callouts were very fair to him.
Miguel Filho is better than Marcus Haley, though.
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AMAZING shots, Isaac - you get your Schmoe Card, brother! :D
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Thanks, Kevin.
Charles and Heath battle it out in Denver
report courtesy of: Kevin Horton, Flex Magazine - flexonline.com
Two men and two men alone stood centerstage at the finish of the prejudging of the Shawn Ray Colorado Pro Bodybuilding competition. The judges had spoken, and the message was clear: It is between Darrem Charles and Phil Heath for overall honors.
Both men were in their all-time best condition. Darrem was considerably larger than we've seen him before, but with his usual super-crisp conditioning. His first appearance onstage drew audible gasps from the Colorado Convention Center crowd. Phil looked like the second coming of Ken "Flex" Wheeler. He was dry, hard, full and sporting some of the shows most beautiful lines. Each man had their supporters, although hometown hero Heath certainly brought the largest cheering section of any competitor.
Dave Henry may very well be at his all-time best as well. He seems to have added a bit of mass to his upper body, yet has lost none of his trademark sharpness. His back never ceases to amaze. It actually has more detail and contours than most guys' fronts. Dave looks to be very solidly in third at this point.
Denver has been abuzz with talk of the returning Gary Strydom these past three days. At 6'1" and a reported 270 pounds the 1986 Nationals winner looked mighty impressive standing relaxed in the lineup. He is as big and full as ever, with better conditioning than previously. But when he posed the drama of his improbable comeback petered out quickly. He seemed to have difficulty hitting all but his side chest shot and often rushed his poses and fiddled with them while his fellow competitors held their own steady. It could be ring rust. Hopefully he'll have fine-tuned things by the time he reaches New York next week.
While the top three placings are all but filled, spots four through six are open to speculation. As it looks right now, Marcus Haley could have fourth place tied up. He's very hard and has one of the best backs in the show. Rodney St. Cloud's vastly retooled physique makes a strong case for keeping Marcus out of the #4 position though. With his controversies of two years ago behind, the New Yorker has been able to concentrate on his training and the results are impressive. Bill Wilmore has brought incredible conditioning to the show and should be rewarded handsomely for his efforts.
Troy Alves seems to be the odd man out for this show. From the front he looks great- heroic to say the least. From the back it's the same old story- the one Troy himself is tired of hearing himself: He's smooth below the waist. Win, lose or draw however, the story of Troy Alves' never ending battle to meet IFBB standards is one of the more compelling this sport has to offer.
A man whose name isn't household, but deserves to be, is Thomass Bengali of Italy. The guy is a modern-day equivalent to Milos Sarcev, who happened to be his trainer a few years back. His physique is strictly old school in the best sense: Great lines, fantastic proportions, nice posing (for the mandatories that is) and good coloring. The slight layer of water he's holding is all that is keeping him from top six consideration, and a case could be made that even that should not keep him out of the money.
Be sure to check back at flexonline tonight for the final results and a wrapup report live from the 2006 IFBB Shawn Ray Colorado Pro/Am weekend here in beautiful Denver, Colorado.
List of Competitors (in order of appearance)
1. Oliver Adzievski
2. Jason Arntz
3. Thomas Benagli
4. Eryk Bui
5. Darrem Charles
6. Derik Farnsworth
7. Miguel Filho
8. Kai Greene
9. Marcus Haley
10. Phil Heath
11. David Henry
12. Milton Holloway
13. Ken Jones
14. Rod Ketchens
15. Jeff "Box" Long
16. Evgeny Mishin
17. Johnny Moya
18. JoJo Ntiforo
19. Dragan Paunovic
20. Manfred Petautschnig
21. Edson Prado
22. Heinz Senior
23. Rodney St. Cloud
24. Gary Strydom
25. Bill Wilmore
26. Fabrizio Zittucro
27. Troy Alves (note: came on after #28)
28. Martin Kjellstrom
29. Vejic Zoran
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Phil Heath looks amazing, much better than I thought he would. Darrem looks like...well what Darrem always looks like. I guess Chad missed that one about Phil needing to wait.......
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http://media.putfile.com/Phil-vs-Darrem
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Awesome post dude, other than Darrem having a wider back, I think Phil's got him covered.
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Well – since I am not there, here are some stories and reports from various people, and more to come…
There were 29 competitors in the show, and by many, you can split the conditioning down the middle – 15 competitors that are good and should be in the lineup, and 14 competitors that people will wonder why they are up on the stage.
This is Darrem’s show. Darrem Charles was full and hard, and looked good. Phil Heath beat Darrem from the side shots, but Darrem got him from the front and back. Phil’s back was detailed, but Darrem was so much more dense and wider. Will give it most likely to Darrem, although watch out for Phil in the future.
Phil Health looked great, was conditioned. He was a little narrow, no girth or depth to his physique. Phil has big arms, pinched shoulders, but overall posed well, and definitely looked well. Second place.
David Henry looked like David Henry. He has conditioned, but really hasn’t changed much more than the other shows that he has been in this year. Definately deserves a top 3-4 placing just because of his conditioning.
Marcus Haley was ready for this show and conditioned. We need to give him credit because he brought his waist down, although he needs a little more back – both in width and detail, but otherwise a pretty good physique.
Bill Wilmore was conditioned, but perhaps lacking in the leg department. Still, Bill is with Vyotech and looks great, so most likely probably 5th or 6th.
Gary Strydom was conditioned, but had no back. He is tall, but wasn’t really big. And he could not pose. Reminds me of Paul Dillett. Gary had striations in his legs but doesnt flex them to show the judges. 6th or 7th place.
Johny Moya was really, really hard and definately conditioned. He might place in the top 7 or 8th place.
Rodney St. Cloud also looked pretty good, really full, and sweating like crazy, but should place in 8th or 9th place.
Troy Alves, looked ok. Before the contest, Troy felt good, and thought that he could really place in the top 5. Now, many are not sure. In the Muscularity round, he was called out next to Jason Arntz, and others in which he never gets called out with. Just odd. Probably 9th or 10th place.
Regarding the altitude, the altitude does wear down the athlete - it really does affect the athletes when they are working out - especially when you are doing pushups, or getting warmed up.
The venue was really nice, lighting was great, the stage was great, the backstage for the athletes was cool. Shawn Ray has put up a class act contest! Prejudging didn’t have a lot of people there, about 300-400. The expo, which was much fuller, did not generate the people to get to see the bodybuilding prejudging.
However, for the evening contest, rumors of over 1,000 tickets presold, and expect an audience of 1,500 – 1,800.
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240, don't be jealous, we can ask next time for you to join Rodney and Kai on stage :)
Anyway, the routines, which we saw a glimpse of it at the 2006 Ironman are entertaining, whereas some can consider it just dancing, others find it amusing. Both Rodney and Kai know they probably won't place in the top 5, so why not have some fun, and enjoy the show!
because he an immature control freak ron :)
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wow look at shawn in that first pic next to Gary.. no caption necessary LOL :X
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Here are my prejudging notes:
1) Oliver Adzievski - not a great rear V-taper, but nice front, tight abs, with well-shaped quads
2) Jason Arntz - sadly, looks 'boxy' compared to the 1st guy, but excellent side chest & rear double bi; delts look odd, abs not deeply etched
3) Thomas Benagli - awesome, period, but not totally shredded up top...quads are nicely defined, but lack outer sweep
4) Eryk Bui - great side chest, but holding a LOT of water, most noticeably in his midsection...smooth abs
5) Darrem Charles - unreal arms and side chest, his upper body is beyond unreal - smallish calves, though, and quads lack outer sweep
6) Derik Farnsworth - abs not holding up during front poses, very nice lower back, didn't get his quads quite as tight as he wanted, but their shape RULES
7) Miguel Filho - like a bronze statue, but hamstrings look a little smooth - no other weaknesses, lots of strengths from top to bottom - callouts weren't favorable, but he has the package necessary to crack into that top group of IFBB men
8) Kai Greene - small guy, but nice bicep peaks...good quads, but has his hair up in a bun
9) Marcus Haley - nice overall aesthetic, but when you look closely, he may need gyno surgery and definitely needs more upper chest thickness
10) Phil Heath - nothing short of excellent throughout...better quads than Darrem Charles, but calves are about the same
11) David Henry - WOW, shredded from the rear, and if his quads had maybe 1-2 more inches, he'd be tops...they wouldn't be able to deny him then
12) Milton Holloway - little guy, but only real weakness is the calves - has a nice, tiny waist
13) Ken Jones - hair issues, but in decent enough shape - nice side tricep, but beginning to show his age a little
14) Rod Ketchens - *huge* guy, tough to judge in this field, abdomen looks distended, but there's a ton of muscle on his physique
15) Jeff "Box" Long - other than his abs being a little smooth, it's tough to see a weakness
16) Evgeny Mishin - unbelievable pecs, nice lat width
17) Johnny Moya - ripped to shreds, grainy all over...the crowd really appreciated that
18) JoJo Ntiforo - still among the most symmetrical big guys out there, perfect taper, small joints heighten the illusion, didn't bring the quads/hams quite as tight as he wanted, but will still place solidly
19) Dragan Paunovic - another strong Euro...with calves
20) Manfred Petautschnig - nice quad/hamstring tie-in on the side view...in fact, all his side poses are great, but unfortunately, his waist is a little wide
21) Edson Prado - wowed everyone - never heard of this Brazilian before, but everyone will know him after this show
22) Heinz Senior - has a lot of work to do, starting with getting rid of the pastel lavendar trunks
23) Rodney St. Cloud - ripped, with great delts - he's a solid top-10 placer and could sneak up as high as 6th
24) Gary Strydom - you HAVE to be impressed with his level of conditioning and muscle volume, but there's something going on with that left shoulder...looks like it could be the result of an old injury, but whatever the reason, that shoulder drop destroys his symmetry - he got great callouts just the same, though, and is definitely one of the fan favorites
25) Bill Wilmore - Big B-Dub is darn good this weekend, and just needs calves - everything else is ready...he's every bit as good as was expected when he joined the pro ranks
26) Fabrizio Zittucro - mmm...he missed his peak
27) Troy Alves - this is the guy the PDI should solicit - he has such an aesthetically pleasing physique that flows so well, but I just don't see him being able to consistently place in the top 5 of IFBB events, which is a shame
28) Martin Kjellstrom - the Swede is huge, has good shapes, but is just not defined enough from the rear to really challenge this time around - because of his tremendous size, if he's ever able to completely nail his conditioning, he'll make some noise in future events
29) Vejic Zoran - cool name
I know my feeling isn't the popular one, but I've got Dave Henry 1st, followed by Phil Heath 2nd and Darrem Charles 3rd.
I'd place Miguel Filho 4th.
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Peter McGough, Flex's top guy, see it this way...
Just got back from prejudging and I see it.
1 Phil Heath
2 Darrem Charles
3 David Henry
The top 3 are in fabulous shape, and in a final two man comparison between Phil and Darrem (that brought the house down) I saw Phil as the winner.
Gary Strydom was one of the best conditioned athletes in the contest but was shallow in the legs and back. He'll finish in the top 10, maybe as high as 6th. He really deserves a lot of credit and he was the winner of his own personal contest.
And hey! Phil Heath is something special. 6 contests, 6 wins -- if he takes it tonight. And I'll be astonished if he doesn't!
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I'm gonna give my honest opinion about the supposed top two. Before I do I want to just say to Lift that I have no prejudice against Phil because you like him. At the end of the day this is a bb board and I take it all lightly.
Darrem has good conditioning, but I would say I have seen him a bit sharper, but he also looks to be about 6 pounds heavier than what I normally see on him. Darrem is always a favorite when it comes to the smaller shows.
Since I have never critiqued Phil before I will give a little more detailed impression. Tonight Phil brought some pretty awesome conditioning. I have always wondered about all the hype with Phil. (yes even before I knew you liked him Lift ;) ) so I figured I would give see what he brought tonight before I prejudged him. (no pun intended) Phil has great arms, shoulders and forearms. Unfortunatley for him he is narrow thru the clavicles and no amount of delt size will ever give him that width. This would be more apparent when standing up against guys like Ronnie, Jay, Gustavo, Gunter ect. Phil has no back. No outer lat width and no thickness. Maybe this is genetic too? Darrem is not the widest guy either and he pretty much owns him in the lat spread and back double bi. Tonight Phil is ripped and in the side chest he lacked just a tad of thigh detail. Phil is the type of guy who HAS to be ripped to place well or his flaws will be that much more apparent. I would not go as far at all than to call him the second coming of Flex as Kevin has tonight. Phil seems like a nice guy so nothing personal, but I just don't see all the hype.
Tonight it's a toss up. Flip a coin.
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I didn't buy into any of the hype either...but then I saw Phil onstage. The kid is the real deal...he's every bit as good as advertised.
At this show, however, Dave Henry beat both Phil and Darrem. That's my call and I'm sticking to it, regardless of the fact that the judges have Dave in 3rd behind the other two taller guys.
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tre, how much taller is DH over little hercules?
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Prediction from a Judge of the Colorado Pro
Chad said that a judge called him and it should be
1) Darrem Charles
2) Phil Health
3) David Henry
4) Marcus Haley
5) Gary Strydom
Phil Heath
Darrem Charles
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I didn't buy into any of the hype either...but then I saw Phil onstage. The kid is the real deal...he's every bit as good as advertised.
At this show, however, Dave Henry beat both Phil and Darrem. That's my call and I'm sticking to it, regardless of the fact that the judges have Dave in 3rd behind the other two taller guys.
Does David look more balanced that previous outings? I think his leg size verus his upper body is what hurts him, especially from the side with hamstring width. I don't think his height is that much of an issue anymore, the judges are starting to realize that he always comes in shape, but I think he needs more leg size to balance out his physique.
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Bill Wilmore was conditioned, but perhaps lacking in the leg department. Still, Bill is with Vyotech and looks great, so most likely probably 5th or 6th.
Shawn Ray said that being a VYOtech athlete will have no effect whatsoever on an athlete's placing.
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Wilmore is legit. This isn't a snow job if he happens to place very well - he's earned it.
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Holy crap, Phil has some amazing arms. Don't know what he can do about the narrow clavicles, but seriously, if he's that young, he should be battling for the O inside 3 years. Sick arms!
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Phil needs to work on his balance. Especially while possing because it looks as if he's going to fall over in those rear shots
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I'm gonna give my honest opinion about the supposed top two. Before I do I want to just say to Lift that I have no prejudice against Phil because you like him. At the end of the day this is a bb board and I take it all lightly.
Darrem has good conditioning, but I would say I have seen him a bit sharper, but he also looks to be about 6 pounds heavier than what I normally see on him. Darrem is always a favorite when it comes to the smaller shows.
Since I have never critiqued Phil before I will give a little more detailed impression. Tonight Phil brought some pretty awesome conditioning. I have always wondered about all the hype with Phil. (yes even before I knew you liked him Lift ;) ) so I figured I would give see what he brought tonight before I prejudged him. (no pun intended) Phil has great arms, shoulders and forearms. Unfortunatley for him he is narrow thru the clavicles and no amount of delt size will ever give him that width. This would be more apparent when standing up against guys like Ronnie, Jay, Gustavo, Gunter ect. Phil has no back. No outer lat width and no thickness. Maybe this is genetic too? Darrem is not the widest guy either and he pretty much owns him in the lat spread and back double bi. Tonight Phil is ripped and in the side chest he lacked just a tad of thigh detail. Phil is the type of guy who HAS to be ripped to place well or his flaws will be that much more apparent. I would not go as far at all than to call him the second coming of Flex as Kevin has tonight. Phil seems like a nice guy so nothing personal, but I just don't see all the hype.
Tonight it's a toss up. Flip a coin.
Co-Sign!!
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1 Phillip Heath USA 6 7 5 18 $25,000
2 Darrem Charles Trinidad 9 8 10 27 $10,000
3 David Henry II USA 15 15 15 45 $5,000
4 Marcus Haley USA 26 21 24 71 $3,000
5 Bill Willmore USA 23 29 21 73 $2,000
6 Rodney St. Cloud USA 28 30 58
7 Gary Strydom USA 34 32 66
8 Troy Alves USA 42 44 86
9 Jason Arntz USA 47 46 93
10 Johnny Moya USA 49 46 95
11 Thomass Bengali Italy 51 52 103
12 Miguel Filho USA 66 62 128
13 Edson Prado Brazil 66 70 136
14 Kai Greene USA 74 66 140
15 Martin Kjellstrom Sweden 72 73 145
16 Jojo Ntiforo USA 71 77 148
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17 Oliver Adzievski Sweden 80 80
17 Eryk Bui USA 80 80
17 Derik Farnsworth USA 80 80
17 Milton Holloway USA 80 80
17 Rod Ketchens USA 80 80
17 Ken Jones USA 80 80
17 Jeff Long USA 80 80
17 Evgeny Mishin Russia 80 80
17 Dragon Paunovic Serbia & Montenegro 80 80
17 Manfred Petautschnig Austria 80 80
17 Heinz Senior Venezuela 80 80
17 Fabrizio Zittucro Italy 80 80
17 Vejic Zoran Serbia & Montenegro 80 80
It will be three rookie pro debut athletes that will make the top five tonight!
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No white men in the top 5
Racism!
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What the hell happened to Alves....
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FROM RIGHT TO LEFT!!!
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What the hell happened to Alves....
he didn't look to good...Because he doesn't carry any real size, if he is off(like tonight) He is out of his league up there...
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the reason 3 "rising" stars placed top 3 was because the rest of the show was WEAK AS SHIT...
The show MAYBE had 7-8 guys who could crack the top 15 at the Mr. O...
very weak lineup...
Jason Arntz placed top 10 for god sakes? nothing else needed to be said.
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I was a bit surprised that Troy didn't make in the 5. Markus...hmmm, shouldn't be there...and then 4th? Looked the worst of all 5 on stage including a few who didn't make the cut imo...
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No white men in the top 5
Racism!
LOL...if it were 5 white boys in the top 5 we really would be hearing that crap.
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how did Haley place with that much distention? what happended to the advisory?
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Troy knew after seeing the pictures that he wasn't going to place in the top 5
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He sure looked disappointed once they announced Will as the fifth contender to stay on stage...
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Troy wasn't top-5, but Miguel Filho deserved consideration for one of the money spots.
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regardless of those guys up there's ht/wt, i'm glad to see that huge gut douche bag freaks aren't taking shows anymore.
for once, i'm not disgusted with their appearance and QUITE pleased, for whatever my opinon's worth.
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Judges got it right by picking Phil Health - Weider's new golden boy
no surprise here - it was like this show was created to be the coronation of PH
being in his hometown all - this will be more evident next year if this show doesn't happen - or happens elsewhere - I'm sure many pros who would of have been a bigger challenge smelled a rat from day one and decided to sit this one out -
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You still think that's true, now that the results are in?
Even Ron admitted yesterday that being a VYO athlete is definitely an advantage.
Hey, on an unrelated note, I wonder why it took 15 minutes to tally the judges scores.
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does anyone have all the placings in order yet?
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A Christian bodybuilder wins yet another pro show. Good job Phil.
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Yes, Phil may have have his hands full against the larger olympia competitors. He isn't real wide as previously mentioned and has a relatively high chest. But he just has so many great bodyparts, everything flows, full muscle bellies, aesthetic physique, great balance, fantastic quads....that it outweights the mild width issue. Great to hear he has said he plans on being "a few lbs better...not necessarily a few lbs heavier". Thats smart. Fill up your physique and structrure but keep it aesthetic and the shape that is winning contests for him. Phil is probably not a guy that will compete at 250lbs and retain the genetic gifts he has.
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1) Phil Heath $25,000
2) Darrem Charles $10,000
3) David Henry $5,000
4) Marcus Haley $3,000
5) Bill Wilmore $2,000
Six to Ten (in no order yet)
Gary Strydom
Rodney St. Cloud
Johnny Moya
Troy Alves
Jason Arntz
It will be three rookie pro debut athletes that will make the top five tonight!
Who qualifies for the Mr. Olympia, the top 3 or the top 5?
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Judges got it right by picking Phil Health - Weider's new golden boy
no surprise here - it was like this show was created to be the coronation of PH
being in his hometown all - this will be more evident next year if this show doesn't happen - or happens elsewhere - I'm sure many pros who would of have been a bigger challenge smelled a rat from day one and decided to sit this one out -
And had Charles or Henry won it, some people would be complaining about the MuscleTech boys winning the show.
Peter McGough has a funny editorial page in the May 2006 issue of FLEX, in which he speaks of the evil, manipulative conspiring plot of the IFBB pro judges to "stick it" to Lee Priest by......having him win the 2006 IronMan, with straight FIRST-PLACE votes. :o
I just don't get. When Alex Federov, the last alleged Weider "golden boy" (although that tag literally fits him, due to that shiny paint job he has on his physique, when he competes), fell flat at the 2005 Olympia after his 2nd-place finish at the 2004 Russian Grand Prix, a number of poster laughed it up. What glee! Another Weider "golden boy" crashed and burned.
Phil Heath, who is also a Weider-contracted athlete, wins his first pro show (looking terrific from the pics I've seen), and the conspiracy theories can't seem to pop up fast enough.
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Tre, Filho did look good. What place was he? Actually...I was thinking of the guy from Italy (Bengali). I thought he looked very good.
Anyone see how different Jason's shoulders looked? They didn't overshadow his physique this time.
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I guess calves mean nothing in bodybuilding.
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At this show, however, Dave Henry beat both Phil and Darrem. That's my call and I'm sticking to it, regardless of the fact that the judges have Dave in 3rd behind the other two taller guys.
Yes! David Henry is the uncrowned champion!
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I think that was the point.
Oh really ??? Thanks Goatboy, I didn't realize that ::)
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David Henry really looks like a child next to Phil and Darrem.
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Even Ron admitted yesterday that being a VYO athlete is definitely an advantage.
Hey, on an unrelated note, I wonder why it took 15 minutes to tally the judges scores.
It always amazes me how long it takes for scores to be added. The longer it takes the more it looks like the judging is fixed. What amazes me is how much this show from the start had Heath winning. How many times did Chic say something about Heath winning or something to the affect there is no way he is going to lose. When it takes that long to count the judging it looks more and more like maybe Heath didn't win but he is theone they wanted to win. Who knows, theIFBB has been shady about judging for a long time, so nothing would be surprising.
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the appearance of deliberation is the biggest joke
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Benagli deserved better than 11 place.
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Yes! David Henry is the uncrowned champion!
David Henry is a great champion. He looked amazing as usual but lacked the stage presence that Darrem and Phil had IMO.
This show hwas a great one. It had 3 rookies that placed top 5.
Congrats to Phil!!!
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It always amazes me how long it takes for scores to be added. The longer it takes the more it looks like the judging is fixed. What amazes me is how much this show from the start had Heath winning. How many times did Chic say something about Heath winning or something to the affect there is no way he is going to lose. When it takes that long to count the judging it looks more and more like maybe Heath didn't win but he is theone they wanted to win. Who knows, theIFBB has been shady about judging for a long time, so nothing would be surprising.
Dude, you should stop flapping your gums. You weren't there so you know nothing. I was able to speak to most of the judging panel and Darrem was the favorite to win. I didn't hear any of the judges talking much about Phil in the morning. In fact, I even heard the phrase "he needs to pay his dues" thrown around at some point, not sure if it was the judges saying that or not but I heard it from someone up in that area. If there was a "fix" then Darrem would have won.
Sorry to distract you. You can go eat your tub of ice cream now, fat boy. ;D
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Dude, you should stop flapping your gums. You weren't there so you know nothing. I was able to speak to most of the judging panel and Darrem was the favorite to win. I didn't hear any of the judges talking much about Phil in the morning. In fact, I even heard the phrase "he needs to pay his dues" thrown around at some point, not sure if it was the judges saying that or not but I heard it from someone up in that area. If there was a "fix" then Darrem would have won.
Sorry to distract you. You can go eat your tub of ice cream now, fat boy. ;D
Whay are talking about stickman. Yea you talked to the judging panel. You are so full of crap. You heard nothing from some guy. Where did I say it was a fix. You have to read before flapping your gums. READ and comprehend. The basics, learn them before you embarrass yourself again.
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That's funny dude...you're trying to make me look like I'm stupid, yet you can barely spell. Keep on keeping on. Stickman...ha!
I'm full of crap...yeah, I sure am tough guy. Ha ha! I'm an NPC judge and we sat up front and interacted with the IFBB Pro judges all weekend.
If you want to know anything about the judges just ask. I am not biased one bit and will tell you the truth. Unfortunately, you won't believe anything I say anyway. Nice work on the "Military" presence at the event too...great job! ::)
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It always amazes me how long it takes for scores to be added. The longer it takes the more it looks like the judging is fixed. What amazes me is how much this show from the start had Heath winning. How many times did Chic say something about Heath winning or something to the affect there is no way he is going to lose. When it takes that long to count the judging it looks more and more like maybe Heath didn't win but he is theone they wanted to win. Who knows, theIFBB has been shady about judging for a long time, so nothing would be surprising.
I wonder if they score with pencil or with ink ???
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It always amazes me how long it takes for scores to be added. The longer it takes the more it looks like the judging is fixed. What amazes me is how much this show from the start had Heath winning. How many times did Chic say something about Heath winning or something to the affect there is no way he is going to lose. When it takes that long to count the judging it looks more and more like maybe Heath didn't win but he is theone they wanted to win. Who knows, theIFBB has been shady about judging for a long time, so nothing would be surprising.
I think you confuse a sly , well coordinated conspiracy for incompetent , bumbling fools hehehe
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That's funny dude...you're trying to make me look like I'm stupid, yet you can barely spell. Keep on keeping on. Stickman...ha!
I'm full of crap...yeah, I sure am tough guy. Ha ha! I'm an NPC judge and we sat up front and interacted with the IFBB Pro judges all weekend.
If you want to know anything about the judges just ask. I am not biased one bit and will tell you the truth. Unfortunately, you won't believe anything I say anyway. Nice work on the "Military" presence at the event too...great job! ::)
Your an NPC judge and I'm Jim Manion. Getting the judges water is not considered interacting. And don't talk to me about the military presence. Talk to Jeff and Sean who waited more than a week to get back to the military liason to setup everything. In addition, of the miltary liason having putting everything together and waiting to explain everything to Jeff and Sean with no response after several emails, he got called on special assignment to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. So again you look stupid by pretending you know what you are talking about. Can you get me some water please. I can't spell.
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Ha ha! Whatever dude. My head was right in front of the camera for the online feed. I don't care what you think.
Anyway, I think it's funny that YOU think we need any help from you. We have a strong Military presence in the local CO BBing scene. One of our largest shows is a Military type BBing show and has a ton of talent. We're already "in" with the Military people here in CO.
When we need help in getting out of shape, or for putting on a competitive eating contest, we'll call you. ;D
In all seriousness, if you're ever out in CO give me a PM and I'll hook you up with front row tickets as that is one of the perks in being a Judge. That way you can actually see what the judges are seeing instead of what you think you see sitting 100 feet back.
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Ha ha! Whatever dude. My head was right in front of the camera for the online feed. I don't care what you think.
Anyway, I think it's funny that YOU think we need any help from you. We have a strong Military presence in the local CO BBing scene. One of our largest shows is a Military type BBing show and has a ton of talent. We're already "in" with the Military people here in CO.
When we need help in getting out of shape, or for putting on a competitive eating contest, we'll call you. ;D
In all seriousness, if you're ever out in CO give me a PM and I'll hook you up with front row tickets as that is one of the perks in being a Judge. That way you can actually see what the judges are seeing instead of what you think you see sitting 100 feet back.
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What are you rolling your eyes at? ::)
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Look at his face! He's either got the worst sunburn known to man, or he's doing his Don Youngblood imitation.
Maybe there's a good reason most pros retire by 40?
Let's hope Gary doesn't end up like ol' Don. :-\
He's flexing...what do you expect...you probably look the same way when grut'n out a big shit :D
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I don't think Gary looked that bad in person, as far as the red face goes. He did need to work on his posing, back and left shoulder though.
I thought he looked rather healthy.
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Ha ha! Whatever dude. My head was right in front of the camera for the online feed. I don't care what you think.
Anyway, I think it's funny that YOU think we need any help from you. We have a strong Military presence in the local CO BBing scene. One of our largest shows is a Military type BBing show and has a ton of talent. We're already "in" with the Military people here in CO.
When we need help in getting out of shape, or for putting on a competitive eating contest, we'll call you. ;D
In all seriousness, if you're ever out in CO give me a PM and I'll hook you up with front row tickets as that is one of the perks in being a Judge. That way you can actually see what the judges are seeing instead of what you think you see sitting 100 feet back.
That was your head. I swear we were watching the show and that and thought the cameraman was flashing his girlfriend. And if you have so much military presence why did you imply there was no military there (or hardly any). My friend was hooking Sean and Jeff up with voluteers, recruiters with booths, a color guard and I think the person who sang the national anthem. Why didn't you do all that since you have the connections. And do you think being a NPC judge is something special. Please, I have been doing this since 1990. Get out while you still can with some dignity. Don't go telling people you are a NPC judge, all that will do is get youmade fun of. You should knwo this by now.
And actually I don't like sitting in the front. I like walking around and saying hi to my friends that are at the shows. And hey I had front rows seats to the 2000 and 2001 Olympia. And they were free. I made the shirts for the Olympia those years. So sorry to hear about your NPC Judgeitis. Hopefully you will get that fixed before it turns into IFBB Judgeitis which is next to death.
And by the way a eating contest would have drawn 10 times the amount of people you had this past weekend. That is something you guys should think about. Good idea you had. The Hot Dog eating contest in Dallas Texas is a standalone contest done at the stadium. It draws 40,000+ spectators all by itself. Good idea.
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I have no "Judge-itis" as you imply. I'm just trying to call you on most of your delusional BS. I have no aspirations of being a Pro judge ever, not even a National level judge. I'm happy where I'm at. I like to help people and that's what I do.
BTW, you sound more bitter than the chick from "Fatal Attraction". What's with that?
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I have no "Judge-itis" as you imply. I'm just trying to call you on most of your delusional BS. I have no aspirations of being a Pro judge ever, not even a National level judge. I'm happy where I'm at. I like to help people and that's what I do.
BTW, you sound more bitter than the chick from "Fatal Attraction". What's with that?
What have I said that is delusional. Maybe I am missing something i my posts. Cause most of them are things that have happened not something made up. So please tell me where I am delusional so I can see my mistakes. I was 100% correct on how the show would end up this past weekend.
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What have I said that is delusional. Maybe I am missing something i my posts. Cause most of them are things that have happened not something made up. So please tell me where I am delusional so I can see my mistakes. I was 100% correct on how the show would end up this past weekend.
you are annoying and fat, i used to like your stories but now your true colors are coming out.
dont post anymore, i hope this helps...... >:(
ps. wheres a spider when you need it ;D
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DAMN!!! Nice one Sgt! :o
I salute you!
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you are annoying and fat, i used to like your stories but now your true colors are coming out.
dont post anymore, i hope this helps...... >:(
ps. wheres a spider when you need it ;D
You are showing your colors by showing who you support. Thanks for hating me. I wouldn't want to be in that group. 8)
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You are showing your colors by showing who you support. Thanks for hating me. I wouldn't want to be in that group. 8)
meltd0wn
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meltd0wn
Yes meltd0wn. you got me. you are the man. I can't believe I could even come close to competing with you. How did you do it. you are my idol. you have so much in your life I envy you.
NOT!
Man whatta dork. ::)
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Let me stop responding to this fool, the way he stalks shawn scares me :o
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Let me stop responding to this fool, the way he stalks shawn scares me :o
Don't worry dude. You started it like Sean did. But, you aren't worth much time. You're safe.