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How many juice but don't compete and don't plan on competing? Why? How much is your monthly cycle costing?
Just curious.
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narc
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How many juice but don't compete and don't plan on competing? Why? How much is your monthly cycle costing?
Just curious.
That's a great question. I know far too many clubfags that spend a fortune on gear just to look buff at the clubs and the beach but still don't look like shit and never had any plans to compete.
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
I agree yet i see it all the time.
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
and it's all justified for chump change and some crap trophy?
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I agree yet i see it all the time.
Alleluia!!!
I wish you would make a DARE comercial ...like that ...
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
But it's ALL worth it to win a plastic trophy. I agree!
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That's a great question. I know far too many clubfags that spend a fortune on gear just to look buff at the clubs and the beach but still don't look like shit and never had any plans to compete.
Most of them go off at 28 and lose all their muscle within a year or so. then, at 38 they join a gym again and juice thier way up again.
at 50 they are wrecked. i see it alle the time in my gym.
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
Yeah, it makes much more sense to do it so you can step on stage for 5 minutes in hopes of winning a twenty dollar trophy.
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That's a great question. I know far too many clubfags that spend a fortune on gear just to look buff at the clubs and the beach but still don't look like shit and never had any plans to compete.
We must live in the same area............
and it's all justified for chump change and some crap trophy?
Priceless.......
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But it's ALL worth it to win a plastic trophy. I agree!
Fatality! ;D
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But it's ALL worth it to win a plastic trophy. I agree!
sounds like someone hasnt won the plastic trophy yet
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juice along doesn't mean your ass can get upthere and wins trophies, if that was the case, every moron at Gold's gym would be MR Olympia
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Is it kind of like your girlfriend taking birth control pills so you can have recreational sex, which we do not complain about? ;D
Or
Breast implants, colored/dyed hair, hair extensions, fake nails, liposuction, lip enhancement, Botox injections, facial microdermabrasion, etc., all to cosmetically enhance your girlfriend or wife’s beauty, which we do not complain about :o
Or
Anti-aging clinics, spa’s, etc., that conduct HRT, which we may all use on day
So
What is wrong with juicing (controlled and moderate) for one owns physical and mental enhancements?
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We must live in the same area............
Priceless.......
I'm out here in Jersey training side by side with Federov right before his glorious NY Pro onslaught.
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What is wrong with juicing (controlled and moderate) for one owns physical and mental enhancements?
Ummm cause it is rarely CONTROLLED AND MODERATE ...
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No crap - why put your body through it. Just so you can look bigger than the local drunks at the clubs. That's no victory...
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I guess it should be an individuals choice.. But that brings up another issue and that is the Governments classifying these "enhancement medicines" as Schedule III drugs. Gee go figure, even worse than Valium, which is one of the most widely prescribed house hold medication out there.
Sorry guys, on a soap box!! :-X
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I wouldn't put my body through heavy drug use, just to "compete". To me it's no accomplishment winning the Warsack Fair Invitational, Superlightweight Division, Class C. Competing doesn't mean squat to me. If you're into it, great. See who's body looks better geared up. I could never get very involved in something that requires no talent. I enjoy training for myself, but that's about it.
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
Well taxing your body for free mc donald certificates and 20 % discount coupons on Max Muscle products is smart ::)
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I agree that it's pretty pointless to gear up if you have no plans of competing.
I think it's safe to say that 99.99% of people (except hardcore bodybuilding fans) prefer the "off" look over someone who's on.
And then there's the matter of your health. Elevated blood pressure and all the other nice side effects like male pattern baldness, shriveled testicles and acne all over your back and shoulders. And say what you want, but you're probably paying a lot of $$$ for the privilege of shaving a few years off your lifespan.
Maybe, MAYBE it's worth taking a calculated risk if you've got the genetics to do okay competitively and make $$$ from endorsements and/or contest winnings. But otherwise it's just plain stupid and shortsighted.
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Bro, when you get to Crobar or Quo and all the lucious hunnies are there, nothing beats wearing my $90 D&G tanktop and looking friggin deisel ... Fell the music!!!
BRO!!
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Is it kind of like your girlfriend taking birth control pills so you can have recreational sex, which we do not complain about? ;D
Or
Breast implants, colored/dyed hair, hair extensions, fake nails, liposuction, lip enhancement, Botox injections, facial microdermabrasion, etc., all to cosmetically enhance your girlfriend or wife’s beauty, which we do not complain about :o
Or
Anti-aging clinics, spa’s, etc., that conduct HRT, which we may all use on day
So
What is wrong with juicing (controlled and moderate) for one owns physical and mental enhancements?
I wasn't complaining and don't want to chastise anyone for goin on the gear. I was just curious what non-competitors' reasoning was.
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I agree that it's pretty pointless to gear up if you have no plans of competing.
I think it's safe to say that 99.99% of people (except hardcore bodybuilding fans) prefer the "off" look over someone who's on.
And then there's the matter of your health. Elevated blood pressure and all the other nice side effects like male pattern baldness, shriveled testicles and acne all over your back and shoulders. And say what you want, but you're probably paying a lot of $$$ for the privilege of shaving a few years off your lifespan.
Maybe, MAYBE it's worth taking a calculated risk if you've got the genetics to do okay competitively and make $$$ from endorsements and/or contest winnings. But otherwise it's just plain stupid and shortsighted.
Again, it is an individuals choice, just like the beer, wine, and other alcoholic drinks some use on the weekends. Plus, there is a difference between "heavy use, and "moderate use". Additionally, all the side effects you have listed are not necessarily true or every happen. And the side effects you listed are true of birth controll pills, which I assume you have not problem with?
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narc
Easy!!. Go put some aloe on your ass hole "always sore". ;)
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getbig is now anti juice
I thought I saw it all until now ::)
E
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Again, it is an individuals choice, just like the beer, wine, and other alcoholic drinks some use on the weekends. Plus, there is a difference between "heavy use, and "moderate use". Additionally, all the side effects you have listed are not necessarily true or every happen. And the side effects you listed are true of birth controll pills, which I assume you have not problem with?
Yeah, you make good points. It is a personal choice and probably not any worse than alcohol and recreational drugs, which I don't do either. And I do believe that in some cases moderate steroid use can be beneficial for a lot of people with health problems. But using it for purely cosmetic reasons is another matter.
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
I know many who do, many...reason? Thy are thinner, smaller guys that jus twant to muscle up..and impress people, thats exactly what i hear them say...they dont care about taxing their bodies for nothing..
Funny though, when they get off, and they shrink like a deflated balloon.. thats priceless.. Oh and how they stop bragging about their never ending sex drive when they are on..then when they are off they are back to granpa dick..
Pointless!
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They do it to attract the ladies!!!
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They do it to attract the ladies!!!
and it works
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Gear is pointless if you don't compete. Taxing your body for no FUCKING reason.
totally agree
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I wonder how many juice and don't even work out. ;D
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How about the folks that juice, and dont eat right- and look ike crap- or even worse, dont look like they juice! hahah.. thats priceless!
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How about the folks that juice, and dont eat right- and look ike crap- or even worse, dont look like they juice! hahah.. thats priceless!
no kidding... more testaments to the "miracles" of steroid use
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like those guys on the MTV steroids doccumentary?
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like those guys on the MTV steroids doccumentary?
wasn't that on TLC?
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totally agree
I think that's complete B.S, first of all, juice wasn't first synthesized in the 40's for the sake of bodybuilders wanting to compete, gear does have legitimate medical uses, in fact it has a lot of uses that have nothing to do with bodybuilding. I think this whole 'you're not a bodybuilder until you compete' thing is a joke, some people like looking amazing and have no interest to get oiled up in a thong and dance and prance amongst other oiled up men in thongs onstage. I'm not dissing competitive bodybuilding but I workout for myself, just because I want to take my physique to the next level with anabolics doesn't mean I have to compete.
Facts:
- Bodybuilding is not a sport
- You don't have to compete to be a bodybuilder and lead a bodybuilding lifestyle
- Bodybuilding is the male equivalent of a Ms.America pageant minus the talent part of the show
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those guys on the mtv special were sad. The one guy juiced and he got 3 plates on the hammer str machine :'(
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no, that was on MTV, the learning channel one was the one with gregg valentino. the mtv one had these three assclowns, and the only one who was man enough to inject himself was the gay guy
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those guys on the mtv special were sad. The one guy juiced and he got 3 plates on the hammer str machine :'(
The other two weren't even regular weightlifters though, one was a wannabe MMA fighter and the other guy was some disco fag that wanted to look good so he would get more ass (literally).
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yeah, I watched that special. I also watched the learning channel one. Which one was worse? they both kinda sucked, but I'd go with MTV as worse
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yeah, I watched that special. I also watched the learning channel one. Which one was worse? they both kinda sucked, but I'd go with MTV as worse
Yeah, the exploding arms one wasn't as bad, though it was heavily biased against the use of steroids. They basically choise a bunch of steroid related horror stories, strung them together and aired it.
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they always go after steroid users, it's an easy target. and there is always someone that's not dedicated to bodybuilding but loves to jump out in front of a camera and brag how they use.
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I know many who do, many...reason? Thy are thinner, smaller guys that jus twant to muscle up..and impress people, thats exactly what i hear them say...they dont care about taxing their bodies for nothing..
Funny though, when they get off, and they shrink like a deflated balloon.. thats priceless.. Oh and how they stop bragging about their never ending sex drive when they are on..then when they are off they are back to granpa dick..
Pointless!
They should take up marathon running. ;D
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I knew this guy who got really into bodybuilding then gave up and took up marathon running. Interesting. guy's name was FEEFO, or at least that's all I ever heard anyone call him
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How many juice but don't compete and don't plan on competing? Why? How much is your monthly cycle costing?
Just curious.
1. 70% of our clients are everyday joes
2. average spending on hormones a month = ~ $700-800 (we have minimum of $600-700 an order. we wont even look at you for less)
3. many of our clients are "18" year old highschool kids. majority of them are well into their 20s and 30s.
4. why they do it? when it comes to the above mentioned usa clients i can tell you that 99% of them do it for one and only one reason and this reason is girls. it all starts and ends with the american girl for them. look around you and see how much the american girl is into sports wether doing it or watching it...and you will find the reason for why hormones is the way guys think they can impress her. american girls are big girls naturally even the thin ones are big..for them being active in sports during school is a must (pushed by parents ofcourse)....those clients of ours who do not compete and just buy gear every months simply wanna get their attention.
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How about the folks that juice, and dont eat right- and look ike crap- or even worse, dont look like they juice! hahah.. thats priceless!
Yes. Please, if you're going to juice at least look better than me.
Also, most girls could careless about muscleheads.
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Someone post pics of failed juicers. :D
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1. 70% of our clients are everyday joes
2. average spending on hormones a month = ~ $700-800 (we have minimum of $600-700 an order. we wont even look at you for less)
3. many of our clients are "18" year old highschool kids. majority of them are well into their 20s and 30s.
4. why they do it? when it comes to the above mentioned usa clients i can tell you that 99% of them do it for one and only one reason and this reason is girls. it all starts and ends with the american girl for them. look around you and see how much the american girl is into sports wether doing it or watching it...and you will find the reason for why hormones is the way guys think they can impress her. american girls are big girls naturally even the thin ones are big..for them being active in sports during school is a must (pushed by parents ofcourse)....those clients of ours who do not compete and just buy gear every months simply wanna get their attention.
I do not think it is all about girls, although for some that is a reason. From my own experience, minor doses of relatively safe medicines could be a positive for many individuals.
Some individuals do not have the metabolism to build even a half way decent beach physique let alone get huge. Science has developed medication that can enhance that with minimum or no side effects if properly used. As most of you know being in shape is a good feeling. It generally produces more confidence and a better overall mental state.
As far as all the hellish side effects that some have identified
“And then there's the matter of your health. Elevated blood pressure and all the other nice side effects like male pattern baldness, shriveled testicles and acne all over your back and shoulders. And say what you want, but you're probably paying a lot of $$$ for the privilege of shaving a few years off your lifespan”.
I do not know anyone who has used sensible doses of relatively safe medicines to experience any of these side effects; However, I have seen some recommended doses identified on this board as well as others that probable could or will lead to side effect problems. If you took 100 aspirin tablets and I took 100 d-bal tablets you have a chance of dying. Me, I would probable have an upset stomach. The point is, any medication is dangerous if improperly used.
Overall as I stated earlier, it is or should be an individuals choice as to wanting to use or not. Some of us drink, smoke, maybe some drugs, drive fast, are overweight and eat wrong and as socially accepted. Some of us train very hard, follow a very strict diet, are in great shape and use some “juice”.
Over time, large doses of highly androgenic medications could be bad. Low to moderate doses of anabolic medications may be fine.
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Yes. Please, if you're going to juice at least look better than me.
Also, most girls could careless about muscleheads.
Agreed..but, sluts do go after my Ducati 749R ;D ;D
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I do not think it is all about girls, although for some that is a reason. From my own experience, minor doses of relatively safe medicines could be a positive for many individuals.
Some individuals do not have the metabolism to build even a half way decent beach physique let alone get huge. Science has developed medication that can enhance that with minimum or no side effects if properly used. As most of you know being in shape is a good feeling. It generally produces more confidence and a better overall mental state.
As far as all the hellish side effects that some have identified
“And then there's the matter of your health. Elevated blood pressure and all the other nice side effects like male pattern baldness, shriveled testicles and acne all over your back and shoulders. And say what you want, but you're probably paying a lot of $$$ for the privilege of shaving a few years off your lifespan”.
I do not know anyone who has used sensible doses of relatively safe medicines to experience any of these side effects; However, I have seen some recommended doses identified on this board as well as others that probable could or will lead to side effect problems. If you took 100 aspirin tablets and I took 100 d-bal tablets you have a chance of dying. Me, I would probable have an upset stomach. The point is, any medication is dangerous if improperly used.
Overall as I stated earlier, it is or should be an individuals choice as to wanting to use or not. Some of us drink, smoke, maybe some drugs, drive fast, are overweight and eat wrong and as socially accepted. Some of us train very hard, follow a very strict diet, are in great shape and use some “juice”.
Over time, large doses of highly androgenic medications could be bad. Low to moderate doses of anabolic medications may be fine.
Great post!
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I don't drink, smoke, or engage in recreational sex. I work hard in the gym and go to church every thursday. I'm what many would call a good Christian young person.
But given the chance, I would be juiced up to the gills. I just don't know how to "score" any steroids in Canada. Then you have to worry about counterfeits and underground labs. It's all a great hassle . . .
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sounds like someone hasnt won the plastic trophy yet
In order to know If is made of plastic or not, you must win it first, right??
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I wonder how many juice and don't even work out. ;D
And yet make more money than pro b.b!!!!! ;D
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I think that's complete B.S, first of all, juice wasn't first synthesized in the 40's for the sake of bodybuilders wanting to compete, gear does have legitimate medical uses, in fact it has a lot of uses that have nothing to do with bodybuilding. I think this whole 'you're not a bodybuilder until you compete' thing is a joke, some people like looking amazing and have no interest to get oiled up in a thong and dance and prance amongst other oiled up men in thongs onstage. I'm not dissing competitive bodybuilding but I workout for myself, just because I want to take my physique to the next level with anabolics doesn't mean I have to compete.
Facts:
- Bodybuilding is not a sport
- You don't have to compete to be a bodybuilder and lead a bodybuilding lifestyle
- Bodybuilding is the male equivalent of a Ms.America pageant minus the talent part of the show
1. More power to you for kicking the shit out of your body to look huge. It's a pointless endeavor, but have at it.
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sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
n.
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
I'd say getting on stage and posing your ass off and flexing your muscles constitutes physical actitivity. Not to mention the activity associated with getting in that shape. Bodybuilding is most definitely a sport.
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1. 70% of our clients are everyday joes
2. average spending on hormones a month = ~ $700-800 (we have minimum of $600-700 an order. we wont even look at you for less)
3. many of our clients are "18" year old highschool kids. majority of them are well into their 20s and 30s.
WOW. This is wrong on so many levels. Don't you feel responsible for selling to an 18 year old kid who hasn't finished growing yet? It's pretty much common knowledge you shouldn't touch steroids until your 21.
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1. More power to you for kicking the shit out of your body to look huge. It's a pointless endeavor, but have at it.
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sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
n.
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
I'd say getting on stage and posing your ass off and flexing your muscles constitutes physical actitivity. Not to mention the activity associated with getting in that shape. Bodybuilding is most definitely a sport.
I totally agree and I've posted this before but very few here can comprehend this :-\
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1. 70% of our clients are everyday joes
2. average spending on hormones a month = ~ $700-800 (we have minimum of $600-700 an order. we wont even look at you for less)
3. many of our clients are "18" year old highschool kids. majority of them are well into their 20s and 30s.
4. why they do it? when it comes to the above mentioned usa clients i can tell you that 99% of them do it for one and only one reason and this reason is girls. it all starts and ends with the american girl for them. look around you and see how much the american girl is into sports wether doing it or watching it...and you will find the reason for why hormones is the way guys think they can impress her. american girls are big girls naturally even the thin ones are big..for them being active in sports during school is a must (pushed by parents ofcourse)....those clients of ours who do not compete and just buy gear every months simply wanna get their attention.
18 year old kids spending $700-800 monthly to get girls?
with that kind of money a 60 year old will get "the american girl"
let alone a 18 year old boy........
Nice try
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Competing is just a way to motivate yourself to get in the best shape of your life. It's not a justification for juicing. Why do you have to make up reasons to justify your behavior to others? The reason everyone uses - competitive or not - is the same reason - they want to GET BIG and ripped. The best reason to juice is because you want to be in awesome shape and you enjoy bodybuilding and want to take your physique to the next level. Fuck what others think.
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Agreed..but, sluts do go after my Ducati 749R ;D ;D
749? And you didn't go for the 999R because?
If you don't say because it was too expensive please don't bother to answer because there is no other reason.
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18 year old kids spending $700-800 monthly to get girls?
with that kind of money a 60 year old will get "the american girl"
let alone a 18 year old boy........
Nice try
dont you see that any one who knows anything think 100 times before responding to my posts my friend?? reason is i dont lie. the youngsters get their friends together chip in $100 each and get 1k orders. happens atleast 20-30 times a week. now there is the rich kids those "18" year old that have the 1 k to spend and they buy it all alone. we have many times diff kids askin for trial orders for $300-400 and we dont even respond to the requests...small money = trouble. kids are rich now days and the smart ones go human grade pharma products because they want to know what they take!
**pay attention the 18 is in between " "
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1. More power to you for kicking the shit out of your body to look huge. It's a pointless endeavor, but have at it.
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sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
n.
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
I'd say getting on stage and posing your ass off and flexing your muscles constitutes physical actitivity. Not to mention the activity associated with getting in that shape. Bodybuilding is most definitely a sport.
Bodybuilding is not a sport because they are judged on how they look, not on the physical activity. That definition is meant to be all-emcompassing.
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narc
Lol
And could you give me your full name, address, SSN, and the name of you dealer and where I can find him?
Thanks that'll be great! ;)
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teenagers can afford thoes prices. Kids golf caddy at country clubs on the weekends can pull that a month easy.
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Here is the problem I have with this
you can take creatine, BCAA, ECA, Glut, 1+ gram of why per pound, BSN, Gakic....and a host of other "over the counter" and it is all good. You take a cycle of gear and you and you are the enemy.
I have never tried gear but I have no problem with anyone that chooses that route.
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749? And you didn't go for the 999R because?
If you don't say because it was too expensive please don't bother to answer because there is no other reason.
LOL, the difference in insurance between the 749 and the 999 was about $42/month....Plus I got a great deal on the 749..
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I agree yet i see it all the time.
your kidding right...growth hormone clinics and HRT are the thing of the future and are the thing of the rich and older....Steroids weren't made for bodybuilders...Get it straight...
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your kidding right...growth hormone clinics and HRT are the thing of the future and are the thing of the rich and older....Steroids weren't made for bodybuilders...Get it straight...
Great point. I think HRT will find mainstream acceptance eventually.
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Is it kind of like your girlfriend taking birth control pills so you can have recreational sex, which we do not complain about? ;D
Or
Breast implants, colored/dyed hair, hair extensions, fake nails, liposuction, lip enhancement, Botox injections, facial microdermabrasion, etc., all to cosmetically enhance your girlfriend or wife’s beauty, which we do not complain about :o
Or
Anti-aging clinics, spa’s, etc., that conduct HRT, which we may all use on day
So
What is wrong with juicing (controlled and moderate) for one owns physical and mental enhancements?
Nothing! I chose not to but have no problem with people who decide that's what they want to do. These roid bashing replies are bullshit. Why would you frequent a board that supports the sport of Pro / amateur bodybuilding(yeah I said it -SPORT), where to earn even a top 10 placing you HAVE to juice and have this big moral dilemma with steroids? Bullshit. bottom line, Your body, your choice
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Yes. Please, if you're going to juice at least look better than me.
Also, most girls could careless about muscleheads.
until they meet one...
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WOW. This is wrong on so many levels. Don't you feel responsible for selling to an 18 year old kid who hasn't finished growing yet? It's pretty much common knowledge you shouldn't touch steroids until your 21.
tell this to Lee priest who started at 17 under the monitoring of his own parents.
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tell this to Lee priest who started at 17 under the monitoring of his own parents.
It's a suggested course of action. Lee has phenomenal genetics and was aiming towards professional bodybuilding.
From Big Cat: Steroids WILL, not may, WILL stunt your growth. They close the epiphysial plates in your bones and stop all possibility of attaining a greater height. Further more using steroids during puberty, when you are dealing with an already very unstable endocrine system can have severe consequences in the long run : Erectile dysfunction (impotence), loss of libido and even infertility ! I assume most men in their late teens and twenties hope to have children some day and lead a long and fulfilling sex life, so steroids before the age of 21 : NO !
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Competing is just a way to motivate yourself to get in the best shape of your life. It's not a justification for juicing. Why do you have to make up reasons to justify your behavior to others? The reason everyone uses - competitive or not - is the same reason - they want to GET BIG and ripped. The best reason to juice is because you want to be in awesome shape and you enjoy bodybuilding and want to take your physique to the next level. f**k what others think.
I agree 100% with this. In fact a person who juices for purely PERSONAL reasons and does not compete may be better off in the long run overall.Plus, you CAN'T say they are in violation of some rules on drug use or cheating, etc. It is my opinion that anytime an individual can do their own thing on their terms, they will do what is their own best interest.
However, on the bad side the addiction and possible harm from anyone pushing the drug envelope too far, is a risk NOT worth taking. Moderation and good sense are the keys here.
While getting in a contest is not the end all-be all , it does help one vaildate their own physique.
Howard
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Using steroids is a personal choice. many people ENJOY being big. That's the point of bodybuilding.
Steroids don't "Tax" your body. Being a PRO BODYBUILDER taxes your body.
If used correctly steroids can be very safe and even healthy.
Don't confuse Using steroids with living a Pro bodybuilders lifestyle. Totally different.
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Using steroids is a personal choice. many people ENJOY being big. That's the point of bodybuilding.
Steroids don't "Tax" your body. Being a PRO BODYBUILDER taxes your body.
If used correctly steroids can be very safe and even healthy.
Don't confuse Using steroids with living a Pro bodybuilders lifestyle. Totally different.
In fact a guy or gal could have a GOOD healthy life doing moderate cycles and either no shows or getting into a state meet once a year and keeping bodybuilding as a hobby.
They key is always good sense and moderation.
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In fact a guy or gal could have a GOOD healthy life doing moderate cycles and either no shows or getting into a state meet once a year and keeping bodybuilding as a hobby.
They key is always good sense and moderation.
If anything competition is unhealthy...Espically Pro competition.
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While it is true that top level , elite pro shows reuiqre one to push the health risks, it does NOt have to be that way for the local/state shows.
I know have known plenty of reg folks (like me) that been in various state level shows, enjoyed it and did little in the ways of health risks.
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Using steroids is a personal choice. many people ENJOY being big. That's the point of bodybuilding.
Steroids don't "Tax" your body. Being a PRO BODYBUILDER taxes your body.
If used correctly steroids can be very safe and even healthy.
Don't confuse Using steroids with living a Pro bodybuilders lifestyle. Totally different.
Absolutely.
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I don't drink, smoke, or engage in recreational sex. I work hard in the gym and go to church every thursday. I'm what many would call a good Christian young person.
But given the chance, I would be juiced up to the gills. I just don't know how to "score" any steroids in Canada. Then you have to worry about counterfeits and underground labs. It's all a great hassle . . .
SHAWN RAY IS THAT YOU
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Hahahahahaha...they made him grow in the wrong direction ;D
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I think most feel that sensible, moderate use of steroids is ok, but the extremes many in the pros go to is pretty bad overall.
I would MUCH rather see more guys built like Phil Heath and (Ronnie 5 years ago), then guys looking freaky and UNhelathy at near 300 lbs.
Maybe it is just be, but in my opinion , Jay Cutler looks and acts pretty healthy overall, but ya never know.
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I think most feel that sensible, moderate use of steroids is ok, but the extremes many in the pros go to is pretty bad overall.
I would MUCH rather see more guys built like Phil Heath and (Ronnie 5 years ago), then guys looking freaky and UNhelathy at near 300 lbs.
Maybe it is just be, but in my opinion , Jay Cutler looks and acts pretty healthy overall, but ya never know.
I just don't like it when they look like Youngblood, with a red face and a normal colored body :-\
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Bodybuilding is not a sport because they are judged on how they look, not on the physical activity. That definition is meant to be all-emcompassing.
To be judge on a bodybuilding stage you must be a 24/7 athlete to the xtreme even risking your health then judges can tell how much of an athlete u are by the way you "LOOK"
Don't get lost there amigo.
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dont you see that any one who knows anything think 100 times before responding to my posts my friend?? reason is i dont lie. the youngsters get their friends together chip in $100 each and get 1k orders. happens atleast 20-30 times a week. now there is the rich kids those "18" year old that have the 1 k to spend and they buy it all alone. we have many times diff kids askin for trial orders for $300-400 and we dont even respond to the requests...small money = trouble. kids are rich now days and the smart ones go human grade pharma products because they want to know what they take!
**pay attention the 18 is in between " "
Who knew??
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LOL, the difference in insurance between the 749 and the 999 was about $42/month....Plus I got a great deal on the 749..
There's a reason you got such a good deal on the 749.
That insurance difference is only $10.50 per week, for me that would be a no brainer.
Now the purchase price and the sales tax would probably add somewhere around $12,000. To me that's prohibitive. I could buy a sweet cruiser for that money and have a second bike to go along with the racer.
For cool factor though nothing beats the Duck. They're the best looking bikes on the road, especially the 749R and the 999R.
I used to love Bimota's as well, but I've only seen a few of them in person.
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Using steroids is a personal choice. many people ENJOY being big. That's the point of bodybuilding.
Steroids don't "Tax" your body. Being a PRO BODYBUILDER taxes your body.
If used correctly steroids can be very safe and even healthy.
Don't confuse Using steroids with living a Pro bodybuilders lifestyle. Totally different.
Nicely stated. These medicines, the safer to use ones, when used correctly, in relatively small to moderate doses can be safe and provide improved performance, appearance, and health. Abuse and overuse can hurt.
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Bodybuilding is not a sport because they are judged on how they look, not on the physical activity. That definition is meant to be all-emcompassing.
Are you ready for the wrath of teh Earl ;D
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one day their will probably be a guy 6'5 or taller coming out of the woods some where juiced since he was born with perfect symmetry and over 350 to 400 pounds...Now how could any midget compete with that
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Using steroids is a personal choice. many people ENJOY being big. That's the point of bodybuilding.
Steroids don't "Tax" your body. Being a PRO BODYBUILDER taxes your body.
If used correctly steroids can be very safe and even healthy.
Don't confuse Using steroids with living a Pro bodybuilders lifestyle. Totally different.
Thank you... my points exactly.
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Oh god. If you need to juice to pick up a girl over the 140 pounder with an Abercrombie tee, that's nuts. You can get big enough to pick up chicks by being natural and working out. Hell, most people at the clubs don't work out at all, so even if you only do a half assed job in the gym you will be better than them.
This thread reminds me of the pics of the spanish kids with synthol bis at a club or something - does anybody have those pics to post here. That is even more pathetic...
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To be judge on a bodybuilding stage you must be a 24/7 athlete to the xtreme even risking your health then judges can tell how much of an athlete u are by the way you "LOOK"
Don't get lost there amigo.
Bodybuilders being athletes still doesn't make bodybuilding a sport. Any sport where being beautiful causes someone to win, isn't a sport.
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I hate when you see a homeless guy and he's ripped to shreds. I should start eating from a garbage can and yelling at parked cars.
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Oh god. If you need to juice to pick up a girl over the 140 pounder with an Abercrombie tee, that's nuts. You can get big enough to pick up chicks by being natural and working out. Hell, most people at the clubs don't work out at all, so even if you only do a half assed job in the gym you will be better than them.
This thread reminds me of the pics of the spanish kids with synthol bis at a club or something - does anybody have those pics to post here. That is even more pathetic...
Sorry, but this thread is more about utilizing what medical science has developed to better ones physical, mental and emotional state. The fact is, when used appropriately, under controlled conditions, AS can benefit ones existence. But as I stated early on, it is an individual choice. And I am not talking about abuse or synthol or any of the other dangerous medications being used.
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Bodybuilders being athletes still doesn't make bodybuilding a sport. Any sport where being beautiful causes someone to win, isn't a sport.
One could argue that because Michael Jordan was relatively handsome (cough *marketable*), and Charles Barkley was an ugly (marketable as the bad guy, but far less) dude, the refs were *very* nice to MJ in the 93 NBA Finals wins over the Suns. Basketball is still a sport, right?
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One could argue that because Michael Jordan was relatively handsome (cough *marketable*), and Charles Barkley was an ugly (marketable as the bad guy, but far less) dude, the refs were *very* nice to MJ in the 93 NBA Finals wins over the Suns. Basketball is still a sport, right?
The comparison doesn't work. He wasn't awarded points for being handsome or marketable. He had to make shots to score points. He didn't put points on the scoreboard by looking fancy. More than anything, the refs give the calls to the "known entities".
Is it possible for the refs to be so biased that it ceases being an athletic competition? Absolutely. But bodybuilding is fundamentally not a sport and the same isn't true of basketball.
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1. More power to you for kicking the shit out of your body to look huge. It's a pointless endeavor, but have at it.
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sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)
n.
Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
I'd say getting on stage and posing your ass off and flexing your muscles constitutes physical actitivity. Not to mention the activity associated with getting in that shape. Bodybuilding is most definitely a sport.
BODYBUILDING IS NOT A SPORT.....PERIOD!
Sport = Skill
Bodybuilding = No skill!!
I flex all my muscles when I take a shit.....according to your definition of a "sport" taking a shit must constitute being a "sport", if that's the case I'm a pro and should be making millions!!
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BODYBUILDING IS NOT A SPORT.....PERIOD!
Sport = Skill
Bodybuilding = No skill!!
I flex all my muscles when I take a shit.....according to your definition of a "sport" taking a shit must constitute being a "sport", if that's the case I'm a pro and should be making millions!!
That's a good way of putting it.................lol!
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yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
you hear the same shit from pot-smokers about the "healthy" weed they're smoking...
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Most doctors don't know shit about steroids, you can perfectly use steroids and stay healthy as a fish.
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yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
you hear the same shit from pot-smokers about the "healthy" weed they're smoking...
Steroids are LEGAL in all countries, you just need a prescription for them, that does not make them ILEGAL.
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yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
you hear the same shit from pot-smokers about the "healthy" weed they're smoking...
Actually they are not illegal in any country… They are illegal to dispense and use without a prescription. Not because they are so dangerous, but because they are often misused and can be dangerous, especially to teenagers who are not fully developed physically. All drugs are dangerous if misused even aspirin
And a doctor can prescribe steroids to anyone who has a medical need for what the drug has been especially designed for. However, since the 1990 Federal Anabolic Steroid Control went into effect anabolic steroids were reclassified putting there control under the DEA rather than the FDA.
This by the way was all based on society not having a favorable view of steroids, yet this is the same society that has no problems with the many other wide range of drugs that are prescribed andor used daily (sleeping pills, valium, prozac, Viagra, birth control pills, minoxidil, finasteride-for hair regrowth, alcohol, and etc., etc., etc.)
The fact is, steroids when used properly can be very beneficial with no side effects. So before you cast stones, you should have a better understanding of the facts. And by the way, even with the extremely high doses that are used by some BB, the ratio of medical problems to high doses is very rare. And that the extreme.
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BODYBUILDING IS NOT A SPORT.....PERIOD!
Sport = Skill
Bodybuilding = No skill!!
I flex all my muscles when I take a shit.....according to your definition of a "sport" taking a shit must constitute being a "sport", if that's the case I'm a pro and should be making millions!!
for the last time taking a shit isn't competitive and unless you are seriously constipated you don't flex every single muscle when you take a shit
it takes skill to pose well and posing counts just look at the 01 Olympia
and just because a known idiot like gordiano agrees with you doesn't mean shit
you're just bitter because you never made it to the pro ranks just admit it already ::)
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yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
Dr. Norman Fost of the University of Wisconsin disagrees
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Not to mention people are often prescribed steroids for medicinal/recovery reasons. Get educated you f'n douche.
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yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
you hear the same shit from pot-smokers about the "healthy" weed they're smoking...
That's because they are healthy if used correctly.
If you knew anything about science i'd probably spend some time explaining how healthy marijuana or steroids actually can be.
But it's obvious you don't so I won't waste my time.
However I have noticed you've already been put in place by others in this thread smarter than yourself...So I guess I don't need to anyway.
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Another point....Substances are NOT made scheduled because they are "dangerous" or "addictive" or "misused". That makes absolutely no sense. They're scheduled because of mass hysteria about them. Same thing happened to Alcohol during the prohibition. The Prohibition was a miserable failure and so is the modern day "war on drugs".
Marijuana has never killed a single person in medical History.
Tobacco kills over 400,000 a year in America alone.
I guess by "Sumpa's" reasoning Marijuana is more much dangerous than Tobacco since it's illegal!
How can people be so dumb and still function in society?
THAT is the real question
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You would be wise to consider actually reading scientific documentation and not anecdotal evidence from the media.
Marijuana and steroids and both next to harmless when used properly. The doctors who say otherwise are themselves ignorant of the science behind them.
Weed has NEVER killed anybody.
Go ahead and try to find one scientifically proven death caused by marijuana. Good luck.
It amazes me the media doesn't actually do their research and realize this. They probably only read the statements from the Govt websites about the drugs. Then parrot that off as facts.
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hehe, i love this. "doctor's don't know shit, but i do". yeah, ok.
and me not knowing anything about science... well, it's simply not true.
i just did a quick check and doctors can not prescribe testosterone in my country.
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for the last time taking a shit isn't competitive and unless you are seriously constipated you don't flex every single muscle when you take a shit
it takes skill to pose well and posing counts just look at the 01 Olympia
and just because a known idiot like gordiano agrees with you doesn't mean shit
you're just bitter because you never made it to the pro ranks just admit it already ::)
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MELTDOWNICIMOUS MAXIMUS!
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hehe, i love this. "doctor's don't know shit, but i do". yeah, ok.
and me not knowing anything about science... well, it's simply not true.
i just did a quick check and doctors can not prescribe testosterone in my country.
Sumpa, Where do you live?
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Sorry, but this thread is more about utilizing what medical science has developed to better ones physical, mental and emotional state. The fact is, when used appropriately, under controlled conditions, AS can benefit ones existence. But as I stated early on, it is an individual choice. And I am not talking about abuse or synthol or any of the other dangerous medications being used.
You may have mis-read my post. I'm saying that if you put your body through cycles just to pick up club chicks, you are wasting your time. That's a lot to do just to get laid. Do you actually think the 18-22 year olds that use are actually going to compete. Not many will. Most are just showing off. This is a dangerous way to show off.
If people are using to take their bodies to the next level - that's completely different.
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You may have mis-read my post. I'm saying that if you put your body through cycles just to pick up club chicks, you are wasting your time. That's a lot to do just to get laid. Do you actually think the 18-22 year olds that use are actually going to compete. Not many will. Most are just showing off. This is a dangerous way to show off.
If people are using to take their bodies to the next level - that's completely different.
I understand. Plus I do not believe that anyone in their teens should use or experiment with these drugs until older.. Especially just to pick up chicks...
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MELTDOWNICIMOUS MAXIMUS!
if you say so mr. bulge spotter ;)
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i live in sweden.
and since you guys are so educated and knowledgeable than maybe you can name some scientific studies that show how safe and healthy steroids are if used "correctly" (by otherwise healthy individuals).
that's the only way that you can shut me up (or "own" me.) unless you can produce these documents, than you're statements are nothing but qualified guesses. and something tells me some of you aren't that qualified...
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i live in sweden.
and since you guys are so educated and knowledgeable than maybe you can name some scientific studies that show how safe and healthy steroids are if used "correctly" (by otherwise healthy individuals).
that's the only way that you can shut me up (or "own" me.) unless you can produce these documents, than you're statements are nothing but qualified guesses. and something tells me some of you aren't that qualified...
what does it have to do with living in sweden?
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it's an answer to pkaz question.
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it's an answer to pkaz question.
ahh okay, i missed that. but it made your post funny. ;)
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i live in sweden.
and since you guys are so educated and knowledgeable than maybe you can name some scientific studies that show how safe and healthy steroids are if used "correctly" (by otherwise healthy individuals).
that's the only way that you can shut me up (or "own" me.) unless you can produce these documents, than you're statements are nothing but qualified guesses. and something tells me some of you aren't that qualified...
Gladly...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8969015&dopt=Abstract
An evaluation of anabolic-androgenic steroid abusers over a period of 1 year: seven case studies.
Few clinically relevant changes in physiological parameters or laboratory measures were noted throughout the study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum
More studies showing no measurable side effects from AAS use in humans.
Yates et al.
Biol Psyhiatry 1999
All doses of TC demonstrated only minimal effects on measures of mood and behaviour during acute and withdrawal phases for all study completers. No effects on psychosexual function.
Daly et al
Psychoneuroendocrinology 2003
Su et al
JAMA 1998
Subtle but statistically significant increase in both positive mood, negative mood and cognitive impairement in the high-dose period compared to baseline.
Ellingrod et al.
Am J Drug Alcohol Abuse 1997
1) No increase in aggressive driving behaviour.
2) No change in aggression in the test subjects.
3) Informants reported decreased aggression when the doses increased
The fact of the matter is there are no studies proving Steroids(if used correctly) cause longterm side effects among healthy adult males. None. The studies quoted by the govt are all based on things like rodents and sometimes not even support by experimental results and just "inferred". Obviously flawed.
If steroids were dangeorus we should see a higher rate of the problems associated with steroids among populations who use.(Pro Bodybuilders). Fact is we don't. Pro Bodybuilders are on average LESS LIKELY to get liver problems or heart problems than the average American population. In reality only a few bodybuilders have died in the past several years from heart problems and that's out of THOUSANDS. In the average population the rate is much much higher. Proof Steroids aren't the culprit but genetics or other drugs or diet are.
Secondly..The fact of the matter is..The burden of proof is on YOU not US. YOU are making the positive assertion that steroids are dangerous so the burden is on YOU to prove they are dangerous. Not us to prove they aren't. It's like claiming "water is dangerous" and then asking for scientific studies proving water isn't dangerous! It's absurd.
Anabolic steroids have been used for the past 50 years BY DOCTORS to help with all kinds of diseases including Cancer and Aids. Anabolic Steroids are used for patients to gain muscle after it has wasted away from a disease. They're used EVERY DAY even in Sweden by doctors. They have proven to be safe and effective.
The only problem is bunk studies that we've seen flying out since the early 90's after the US govt scheduled Anabolic Steroids. These studies make assertions without any experimental data..And if there is data it's based on rodents usually. But when studies are done on humans we see no side effects measurable.
Here is a detailed examination of how Steroids are given a bad name by the press and by doctors who get their info from the press.
Real Sports with Bryant Gumble
http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/hbosteroids/HBO-Real-Sports-steroid-special.avi
BTW I'm ashamed no one posted this information before I did. You all need to do your research.
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How about the folks that juice, and dont eat right- and look ike crap- or even worse, dont look like they juice! hahah.. thats priceless!
Exactly. If you don't know how to eat properly, juicing is a waist of time and money.
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Johnny Apollo, thanks for taking the time to do some extended research. I attempted to explain in more simple terms, but ……you can lead a horse to water.
The bottom line is that steroid use in athletics is unfashionable simple because of the negative propaganda mounted against it by the media, while socially acceptable recreational drugs like alcohol, nicotine, contraceptive steroids, anti-depressants, Viagra, etc., etc., which have documented evidence to be life threatening are ok.
Go figure….
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Harmless marijuana:
1.) 3 to 5 times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarettes (due to typical deeper inhalation and no filtering)
2.) Contains Benzyprene (carcinogen)
3.) Impaired memory and ability to learn
4.) Difficulty thinking and problem solving
5.) Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
6.) Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
7.) Increased susceptibility to infections
8.) Cardiac problems for people with heart disease or high blood pressure, because marijuana increases the heart rate
Johnny, it's irresponsible of you to say that's it benign, there are clearly health risks with smoking pot. I'm not saying it's lethal but there are definitely risks associated with it.
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Harmless marijuana:
1.) 3 to 5 times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarettes (due to typical deeper inhalation and no filtering)
2.) Contains Benzyprene (carcinogen)
3.) Impaired memory and ability to learn
4.) Difficulty thinking and problem solving
5.) Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
6.) Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
7.) Increased susceptibility to infections
8.) Cardiac problems for people with heart disease or high blood pressure, because marijuana increases the heart rate
I don't know I was pretty wasted last time I hit fat doobie of the weed....too bad I dumped my last wife off that bridge...but I was wasted and thought it was my dog ::)...it was years ago, maybe it wasn't the weed but roid rage or maybe I pulled a Titus :o
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Harmless marijuana:
1.) 3 to 5 times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarettes (due to typical deeper inhalation and no filtering)
2.) Contains Benzyprene (carcinogen)
3.) Impaired memory and ability to learn
4.) Difficulty thinking and problem solving
5.) Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
6.) Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
7.) Increased susceptibility to infections
8.) Cardiac problems for people with heart disease or high blood pressure, because marijuana increases the heart rate
Johnny, it's irresponsible of you to say that's it benign, there are clearly health risks with smoking pot. I'm not saying it's lethal but there are definitely risks associated with it.
Side effects of aspirin
Ulcerations, abdominal burning, pain, cramping, nausea, gastritis, and even serious gastrointestinal bleeding
Liver toxicity
Stomach ulceration and bleeding
Black tarry stools
Weakness and dizziness upon standing
Rash, kidney impairment, vertigo, and lightheadedness can also occur
Side effects of alcohol
Alcohol damages the liver, the central nervous system, the gastrointestinal tract, and the heart. Alcoholics who do not quit drinking decrease life expectancy by 10 to 15 years.
Alcohol also can impair vision, impair sexual function, slow circulation, cause malnutrition, cause water retention (resulting in weight gain and bloating), lead to pancreatitis and skin disorders (such as middle-age acne), dilate blood vessels near the skin causing "brandy nose," weaken the bones and muscles, and decrease immunity
And your point being..
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I better not take asprin , those "black tarry stools" sound horrible ???
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Marijuana and steroids and both next to harmless when used properly. The doctors who say otherwise are themselves ignorant of the science behind them.
Matt,
The problem with recreational steroids is that to invoke a desired response, it often takes many times the "used properly" amount. What is therapeutically prescribed (even to children) will do next to nothing to put on extra muscle on a healthly male.
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Side effects of aspirin
Ulcerations, abdominal burning, pain, cramping, nausea, gastritis, and even serious gastrointestinal bleeding
Liver toxicity
Stomach ulceration and bleeding
Black tarry stools
Weakness and dizziness upon standing
Rash, kidney impairment, vertigo, and lightheadedness can also occur
Side effects of alcohol
Alcohol damages the liver, the central nervous system, the gastrointestinal tract, and the heart. Alcoholics who do not quit drinking decrease life expectancy by 10 to 15 years.
Alcohol also can impair vision, impair sexual function, slow circulation, cause malnutrition, cause water retention (resulting in weight gain and bloating), lead to pancreatitis and skin disorders (such as middle-age acne), dilate blood vessels near the skin causing "brandy nose," weaken the bones and muscles, and decrease immunity
And your point being..
Getting high on pot is not a harmless activity. What's yours?
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I agree that it's pretty pointless to gear up if you have no plans of competing.
I think it's safe to say that 99.99% of people (except hardcore bodybuilding fans) prefer the "off" look over someone who's on.
And then there's the matter of your health. Elevated blood pressure and all the other nice side effects like male pattern baldness, shriveled testicles and acne all over your back and shoulders. And say what you want, but you're probably paying a lot of $$$ for the privilege of shaving a few years off your lifespan.
Maybe, MAYBE it's worth taking a calculated risk if you've got the genetics to do okay competitively and make $$$ from endorsements and/or contest winnings. But otherwise it's just plain stupid and shortsighted.
And smoking is ok? Fucking fools. You juice for yourself and only yourself.
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for the last time taking a shit isn't competitive and unless you are seriously constipated you don't flex every single muscle when you take a shit
it takes skill to pose well and posing counts just look at the 01 Olympia
and just because a known idiot like gordiano agrees with you doesn't mean shit
you're just bitter because you never made it to the pro ranks just admit it already ::)
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Bobdybuilding is not a sport because they win on how they look, not how well they pose. Any of us could pose like the pros but we would lose because looks are what is being judged. That makes it an art, not a sport.
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Harmless marijuana:
1.) 3 to 5 times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarettes (due to typical deeper inhalation and no filtering)
This is true except containing more tar doesn't mean it's more dangeorus. Marijuana contains THC which disrupts apoptotic pathway that cause cancer or other problems associated from the tar or carbon monoxide.
In laymen..the THC in marijuana counteracts the tar in it so that it's far less harmful tham tobacco. That's why people die from tobacco and not marijuana.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11485387&dopt=Abstract
2.) Contains Benzyprene (carcinogen)
Again there's obviously some counteraction. The deat rate from Tobacco is over 400,000 a year in USA alone yet 0 from Marijuana. Meaning it's simply not dangerous.
3.) Impaired memory and ability to learn
Marijuana works differently on different people. Some people(Like the famous scientist carl sagan) are able to learn much better while on marijuana and compose their best works while using marijuana. Some others can hardly do basic math while using it. It depends on the person.
But the thing to remember is it's all TEMPORARY. Marijuana's effect is short term. The long term effects BENEFIT the brain.
Marijuana like chemicals spur braincell growth.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8155
5.) Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
This is a very rare side effect occuring in a small number of people. Most who use marijuana get a feeling of eurphoria not paranoia.
6.) Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
I hardly see how this makes marijuana unhealthy. Just don't use it and drive and you'll be fine.
7.) Increased susceptibility to infections
This is a myth. There aren't any reliable studies on humans showing marijuana hurts the immune system. In fact marijuana is given to aids and cancer patients around the world to help them cope with pain. Marijuana..If it had any effect on the immune system would NOT be given to sick patients with damaged immune systems to begin with.
8.) Cardiac problems for people with heart disease or high blood pressure, because marijuana increases the heart rate
Evidence? Not that it increases heart rate but that there is a proven link between marijuana use and heart disease.
Johnny, it's irresponsible of you to say that's it benign, there are clearly health risks with smoking pot. I'm not saying it's lethal but there are definitely risks associated with it.
If there were health risks we should see people dead from it. We don't.
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This is true except containing more tar doesn't mean it's more dangeorus. Marijuana contains THC which disrupts apoptotic pathway that cause cancer or other problems associated from the tar or carbon monoxide.
In laymen..the THC in marijuana counteracts the tar in it so that it's far less harmful tham tobacco. That's why people die from tobacco and not marijuana.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11485387&dopt=Abstract
Again there's obviously some counteraction. The deat rate from Tobacco is over 400,000 a year in USA alone yet 0 from Marijuana. Meaning it's simply not dangerous.
Marijuana works differently on different people. Some people(Like the famous scientist carl sagan) are able to learn much better while on marijuana and compose their best works while using marijuana. Some others can hardly do basic math while using it. It depends on the person.
But the thing to remember is it's all TEMPORARY. Marijuana's effect is short term. The long term effects BENEFIT the brain.
Marijuana like chemicals spur braincell growth.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8155
This is a very rare side effect occuring in a small number of people. Most who use marijuana get a feeling of eurphoria not paranoia.
I hardly see how this makes marijuana unhealthy. Just don't use it and drive and you'll be fine.
This is a myth. There aren't any reliable studies on humans showing marijuana hurts the immune system. In fact marijuana is given to aids and cancer patients around the world to help them cope with pain. Marijuana..If it had any effect on the immune system would NOT be given to sick patients with damaged immune systems to begin with.
Evidence? Not that it increases heart rate but that there is a proven link between marijuana use and heart disease.
If there were health risks we should see people dead from it. We don't.
Great post! It's always good to see someone counter prejudice with fact.
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Getting high on pot is not a harmless activity. What's yours?
It's harmless if used correctly. I.E. not getting high and driving your car.
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Getting high on pot is not a harmless activity. What's yours?
I do not use pot, but do like an occasional lemon drop martini..
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Bobdybuilding is not a sport because they win on how they look, not how well they pose. Any of us could pose like the pros but we would lose because looks are what is being judged. That makes it an art, not a sport.
it is both an art and a sport
ask paul dillet how much posing counts or jay after the 01 Olympia
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it is both an art and a sport
ask paul dillet how much posing counts or jay after the 01 Olympia
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It's what the physique looks like while posing, not the posing. As I said, either of us could pose as well as the pros, but we would lose the contest. It's not the posing, it's the physique. Even if it was the posing, it would still not be a sport, unless some sort of scoring system were used. Bodybuilding is fundamentally not a sport.