Juice but don't compete.

[Captain Equipoise]

yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
you hear the same shit from pot-smokers about the "healthy" weed they're smoking...

Steroids are LEGAL in all countries, you just need a prescription for them, that does not make them ILEGAL.

[pkaz]

yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
you hear the same shit from pot-smokers about the "healthy" weed they're smoking...

Actually they are not illegal in any country… They are illegal to dispense and use without a prescription. Not because they are so dangerous, but because they are often misused and can be dangerous, especially to teenagers who are not fully developed physically. All drugs are dangerous if misused even aspirin

And a doctor can prescribe steroids to anyone who has a medical need for what the drug has been especially designed for. However, since the 1990 Federal Anabolic Steroid Control went into effect anabolic steroids were reclassified putting there control under the DEA rather than the FDA.

This by the way was all based on society not having a favorable view of steroids, yet this is the same society that has no problems with the many other wide range of drugs that are prescribed andor used daily (sleeping pills, valium, prozac, Viagra, birth control pills, minoxidil, finasteride-for hair regrowth, alcohol, and etc., etc., etc.)

The fact is, steroids when used properly can be very beneficial with no side effects. So before you cast stones, you should have a better understanding of the facts.  And by the way, even with the extremely high doses that are used by some BB, the ratio of medical problems to high doses is very rare. And that the extreme.

[Earl1972]

BODYBUILDING IS NOT A SPORT.....PERIOD!

Sport = Skill

Bodybuilding = No skill!!

I flex all my muscles when I take a shit.....according to your definition of a "sport" taking a shit must constitute being a "sport", if that's the case I'm a pro and should be making millions!!

for the last time taking a shit isn't competitive and unless you are seriously constipated you don't flex every single muscle when you take a shit

it takes skill to pose well and posing counts just look at the 01 Olympia

and just because a known idiot like gordiano agrees with you doesn't mean shit

you're just bitter because you never made it to the pro ranks just admit it already

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[Earl1972]

yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.

Dr. Norman Fost of the University of Wisconsin disagrees

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[The Showstoppa]

Not to mention people are often prescribed steroids for medicinal/recovery reasons.  Get educated you f'n douche.

[Johnny Apollo]

yeah, steroids are great for your health. that's why they're illegal in most civilised countries, and doctors think they're dangerous.
you hear the same shit from pot-smokers about the "healthy" weed they're smoking...

That's because they are healthy if used correctly.


If you knew anything about science i'd probably spend some time explaining how healthy marijuana or steroids actually can be.

But it's obvious you don't so I won't waste my time.

However I have noticed you've already been put in place by others in this thread smarter than yourself...So I guess I don't need to anyway.

[Johnny Apollo]

Another point....Substances are NOT made scheduled because they are "dangerous" or "addictive" or "misused". That makes absolutely no sense. They're scheduled because of mass hysteria about them. Same thing happened to Alcohol during the prohibition. The Prohibition was a miserable failure and so is the modern day "war on drugs".


Marijuana has never killed a single person in medical History.

Tobacco kills over 400,000 a year in America alone.

I guess by "Sumpa's" reasoning Marijuana is more much dangerous than Tobacco since it's illegal!



How can people be so dumb and still function in society?

THAT is the real question

[Johnny Apollo]

You would be wise to consider actually reading scientific documentation and not anecdotal evidence from the media.

Marijuana and steroids and both next to harmless when used properly.  The doctors who say otherwise are themselves ignorant of the science behind them.

Weed has NEVER killed anybody.

Go ahead and try to find one scientifically proven death caused by marijuana.  Good luck.

It amazes me the media doesn't actually do their research and realize this. They probably only read the statements from the Govt websites about the drugs. Then parrot that off as facts.

[Sumpa]

hehe, i love this. "doctor's don't know shit, but i do". yeah, ok.
and me not knowing anything about science... well, it's simply not true.
i just did a quick check and doctors can not prescribe testosterone in my country.

[gordiano]

for the last time taking a shit isn't competitive and unless you are seriously constipated you don't flex every single muscle when you take a shit

it takes skill to pose well and posing counts just look at the 01 Olympia

and just because a known idiot like gordiano agrees with you doesn't mean shit

you're just bitter because you never made it to the pro ranks just admit it already

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MELTDOWNICIMOUS MAXIMUS!

[pkaz]

hehe, i love this. "doctor's don't know shit, but i do". yeah, ok.
and me not knowing anything about science... well, it's simply not true.
i just did a quick check and doctors can not prescribe testosterone in my country.

Sumpa, Where do you live?

[Adam Empire]

Sorry, but this thread is more about utilizing what medical science has developed to better ones physical, mental and emotional state. The fact is, when used appropriately, under controlled conditions, AS can benefit ones existence. But as I stated early on, it is an individual choice. And I am not talking about abuse or synthol or any of the other dangerous medications being used.

You may have mis-read my post.  I'm saying that if you put your body through cycles just to pick up club chicks, you are wasting your time.  That's a lot to do just to get laid.  Do you actually think the 18-22 year olds that use are actually going to compete.  Not many will.  Most are just showing off.  This is a dangerous way to show off.

If people are using to take their bodies to the next level - that's completely different.

[pkaz]

You may have mis-read my post.  I'm saying that if you put your body through cycles just to pick up club chicks, you are wasting your time.  That's a lot to do just to get laid.  Do you actually think the 18-22 year olds that use are actually going to compete.  Not many will.  Most are just showing off.  This is a dangerous way to show off.

If people are using to take their bodies to the next level - that's completely different.

I understand. Plus I do not believe that anyone in their teens should use or experiment with these drugs until older.. Especially just to pick up chicks...

[Earl1972]

MELTDOWNICIMOUS MAXIMUS!

if you say so mr. bulge spotter

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[Sumpa]

i live in sweden.
and since you guys are so educated and knowledgeable than maybe you can name some scientific studies that show how safe and healthy steroids are if used "correctly" (by otherwise healthy individuals).
that's the only way that you can shut me up (or "own" me.) unless you can produce these documents, than you're statements are nothing but qualified guesses. and something tells me some of you aren't that qualified...

[DK II]

i live in sweden.
and since you guys are so educated and knowledgeable than maybe you can name some scientific studies that show how safe and healthy steroids are if used "correctly" (by otherwise healthy individuals).
that's the only way that you can shut me up (or "own" me.) unless you can produce these documents, than you're statements are nothing but qualified guesses. and something tells me some of you aren't that qualified...

what does it have to do with living in sweden?

[Sumpa]

it's an answer to pkaz question.

[DK II]

it's an answer to pkaz question.

ahh okay, i missed that. but it made your post funny. 

[Johnny Apollo]

i live in sweden.
and since you guys are so educated and knowledgeable than maybe you can name some scientific studies that show how safe and healthy steroids are if used "correctly" (by otherwise healthy individuals).
that's the only way that you can shut me up (or "own" me.) unless you can produce these documents, than you're statements are nothing but qualified guesses. and something tells me some of you aren't that qualified...

Gladly...


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8969015&dopt=Abstract


An evaluation of anabolic-androgenic steroid abusers over a period of 1 year: seven case studies.

Few clinically relevant changes in physiological parameters or laboratory measures were noted throughout the study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12938869&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_DocSum


More studies showing no measurable side effects from AAS use in humans.


Yates et al.
Biol Psyhiatry 1999

All doses of TC demonstrated only minimal effects on measures of mood and behaviour during acute and withdrawal phases for all study completers. No effects on psychosexual function.

Daly et al
Psychoneuroendocrinology 2003

Su et al
JAMA 1998

Subtle but statistically significant increase in both positive mood, negative mood and cognitive impairement in the high-dose period compared to baseline.

Ellingrod et al.
Am J Drug Alcohol Abuse 1997

1) No increase in aggressive driving behaviour.
2) No change in aggression in the test subjects.
3) Informants reported decreased aggression when the doses increased

The fact of the matter is there are no studies proving Steroids(if used correctly) cause longterm side effects among healthy adult males. None. The studies quoted by the govt are all based on things like rodents and sometimes not even support by experimental results and just "inferred". Obviously flawed.

If steroids were dangeorus we should see a higher rate of the problems associated with steroids among populations who use.(Pro Bodybuilders). Fact is we don't. Pro Bodybuilders are on average LESS LIKELY to get liver problems or heart problems than the average American population. In reality only a few bodybuilders have died in the past several years from heart problems and that's out of THOUSANDS. In the average population the rate is much much higher. Proof Steroids aren't the culprit but genetics or other drugs or diet are.


Secondly..The fact of the matter is..The burden of proof is on YOU not US. YOU are making the positive assertion that steroids are dangerous so the burden is on YOU to prove they are dangerous. Not us to prove they aren't.  It's like claiming "water is dangerous" and then asking for scientific studies proving water isn't dangerous! It's absurd.

Anabolic steroids have been used for the past 50 years BY DOCTORS to help with all kinds of diseases including Cancer and Aids. Anabolic Steroids are used for patients to gain muscle after it has wasted away from a disease. They're used EVERY DAY even in Sweden by doctors. They have proven to be safe and effective.

The only problem is bunk studies that we've seen flying out since the early 90's after the US govt scheduled Anabolic Steroids. These studies make assertions without any experimental data..And if there is data it's based on rodents usually. But when studies are done on humans we see no side effects measurable.


Here is a detailed examination of how Steroids are given a bad name by the press and by doctors who get their info from the press.

Real Sports with Bryant Gumble

http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/hbosteroids/HBO-Real-Sports-steroid-special.avi






BTW I'm ashamed no one posted this information before I did. You all need to do your research.

[freespirit]

How about the folks that juice, and dont eat right- and look ike crap- or even worse, dont look like they juice! hahah.. thats priceless!

Exactly. If you don't know how to eat properly, juicing is a waist of time and money.

[pkaz]

Johnny Apollo, thanks for taking the time to do some extended research. I attempted to explain in more simple terms, but ……you can lead a horse to water.

The bottom line is that steroid use in athletics is unfashionable simple because of the negative propaganda mounted against it by the media, while socially acceptable recreational drugs like alcohol, nicotine, contraceptive steroids, anti-depressants, Viagra, etc., etc., which have documented evidence to be life threatening are ok.

Go figure….

[FREAKgeek]

Harmless marijuana:

1.) 3 to 5 times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarettes (due to typical deeper inhalation and no filtering)
2.) Contains Benzyprene (carcinogen)
3.) Impaired memory and ability to learn
4.) Difficulty thinking and problem solving
5.) Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
6.) Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
7.) Increased susceptibility to infections
8.) Cardiac problems for people with heart disease or high blood pressure, because marijuana increases the heart rate


Johnny, it's irresponsible of you to say that's it benign, there are clearly health risks with smoking pot. I'm not saying it's lethal but there are definitely risks associated with it.

[HowieW]

Harmless marijuana:

1.) 3 to 5 times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarettes (due to typical deeper inhalation and no filtering)
2.) Contains Benzyprene (carcinogen)
3.) Impaired memory and ability to learn
4.) Difficulty thinking and problem solving
5.) Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
6.) Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
7.) Increased susceptibility to infections
8.) Cardiac problems for people with heart disease or high blood pressure, because marijuana increases the heart rate

I don't know I was pretty wasted last time I hit  fat doobie of the weed....too bad I dumped my last wife off that bridge...but I was wasted and thought it was my dog ...it was years ago, maybe it wasn't the weed but roid rage or maybe I pulled a Titus

[pkaz]

Harmless marijuana:

1.) 3 to 5 times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarettes (due to typical deeper inhalation and no filtering)
2.) Contains Benzyprene (carcinogen)
3.) Impaired memory and ability to learn
4.) Difficulty thinking and problem solving
5.) Anxiety attacks or feelings of paranoia
6.) Impaired muscle coordination and judgment
7.) Increased susceptibility to infections
8.) Cardiac problems for people with heart disease or high blood pressure, because marijuana increases the heart rate


Johnny, it's irresponsible of you to say that's it benign, there are clearly health risks with smoking pot. I'm not saying it's lethal but there are definitely risks associated with it.

Side effects of aspirin

Ulcerations, abdominal burning, pain, cramping, nausea, gastritis, and even serious gastrointestinal bleeding
Liver toxicity
Stomach ulceration and bleeding
Black tarry stools
Weakness and dizziness upon standing
Rash, kidney impairment, vertigo, and lightheadedness can also occur


Side effects of alcohol
Alcohol damages the liver, the central nervous system, the gastrointestinal tract, and the heart. Alcoholics who do not quit drinking decrease life expectancy by 10 to 15 years.
Alcohol also can impair vision, impair sexual function, slow circulation, cause malnutrition, cause water retention (resulting in weight gain and bloating), lead to pancreatitis and skin disorders (such as middle-age acne), dilate blood vessels near the skin causing "brandy nose," weaken the bones and muscles, and decrease immunity

And your point being..

[HowieW]

I better not take asprin , those "black tarry stools" sound horrible