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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: HowDog on May 28, 2006, 03:01:46 PM
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Let me preface this thread with the fact that I am a fan of Phil Heath and truly believe that he is the future and thank god for that b/c Jay and Ronnie do not do it for me. Asthetics baby Asthetics!!
Phil is being misleading by stating that he has only trained for 4 years. No way. The man definetly trained with weights in high school and college in the offseason for college basketball. I am the same age and went to college around the same time and my friends who played ball hit the weights. He might of not did a "bodybuilding workout program" but the man did curls, calf rises etc... I would love to see pics of him at 18 and I bet he was jacked. Basically I would not want a 16 yr old to think that he could get as big as Heath in 4 years. Heath really has be training for the las 12 years and not 4. Just keeping it real!!!Thats all.
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He's been "bodybuilding" (e.g., training specifically for hypertrophy, eating for hypertrophy, and injecting mass quantities of chemicals for hypertrophy) for the past three years (not four).
He may have been working out since he was 10. He never said he wasn't. But he has only been doing it specifically for bodybuilding since 2003.
Heath said that he been bodybuilding for the last four years, three years ago was his first show. If I misinterpreted him so be it!
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Yeah, there was a little shadiness there. I wasn't going to say anything, but...
Who has the BBall press kit from where he was on the team? During his backetball career, his little profile on the team brochure bragged about all his great lifts and stats. So either he decided to post those numbers BEFORE he ever lifted (remember he said he wasn't allwoed to lift while on the team), or he's been strength training for quite a few years.
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ok, maybe four. I thought I read somewhere it was 2003.
Ronnie has been bodybuilding only since 1990. That doesn't mean he wasn't working out long before that. He just never did it specifically for bodybuilding (contests I presume this means).
I believe Ronnie said that he was working out since he was 13 !!
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I believe Ronnie said that he was working out since he was 13 !!
Ronnie is the Jesus of Bodybuilding
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ronnie is just a genetic freak... even in the pictures of him as a kid you can see the potential...
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He's been "bodybuilding" (e.g., training specifically for hypertrophy, eating for hypertrophy, and injecting mass quantities of chemicals for hypertrophy) for the past three years (not four).
He may have been working out since he was 10. He never said he wasn't. But he has only been doing it specifically for bodybuilding since 2003.
Matt you been owning bitches right and left these days
upgrade the old lady to a new piece did ya?
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Actually Matt has owned himself in the last two posts.. to think that he would no more since he has seen every bodybuilding video and magasine. ::)
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Actually Matt has owned himself in the last two posts.. to think that he would no more since he has seen every bodybuilding video and magasine. ::)
i think you meant "know" ... anyway what the hell are you talking about?
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Well he seems to think that bodybuilders started training "bodybuilding style" right after their first contests..
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Let me preface this thread with the fact that I am a fan of Phil Heath and truly believe that he is the future and thank god for that b/c Jay and Ronnie do not do it for me. Asthetics baby Asthetics!!
Phil is being misleading by stating that he has only trained for 4 years. No way. The man definetly trained with weights in high school and college in the offseason for college basketball. I am the same age and went to college around the same time and my friends who played ball hit the weights. He might of not did a "bodybuilding workout program" but the man did curls, calf rises etc... I would love to see pics of him at 18 and I bet he was jacked. Basically I would not want a 16 yr old to think that he could get as big as Heath in 4 years. Heath really has be training for the las 12 years and not 4. Just keeping it real!!!Thats all.
Not misleading at all.
I was weight lifting ears before i started "training more like a bodybuilder". Thats what Phil means. Sure he threw some weights around in college..but yes, only 4 years of serious training with his genetics is truly believable. Thats why we are here behind the computer screen, and he is Phil Heath, along with all the other pros. They have something speciall genetically that really favors anabolism...we dont..well, we do to a point..but tha tpoint is way short of a pro bodybuilding type phyusique...and roids have nothing to do with it....thats a small part... Its genetics, Hard work/consistency dieting and training, and all the other "stuff" after..
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Not misleading at all.
I was weight lifting ears before i started "training more like a bodybuilder". Thats what Phil means. Sure he threw some weights around in college..but yes, only 4 years of serious training with his genetics is truly believable. Thats why we are here behind the computer screen, and he is Phil Heath, along with all the other pros. They have something speciall genetically that really favors anabolism...we dont..well, we do to a point..but tha tpoint is way short of a pro bodybuilding type phyusique...and roids have nothing to do with it....thats a small part... Its genetics, Hard work/consistency dieting and training, and all the other "stuff" after..
That turns you on doesn't it?
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Ronnie played LB at Grambling Univ under Eddie Robinson. Also... played ball in Patterson, LA or something in HS. So... he has been hitting the weights for a while. Didnt he start gear in his mid-twenties around 25-27 which is pretty late.. as far as the pros go?
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Ronnie was a competitive powerlifter long before he became a competitive bodybuilder.
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Ronnie was a competitive powerlifter long before he became a competitive bodybuilder.
I`m going to have to disagree with you there Wes. There still to this day, has been no evidence of Ronnie ever competing in any sanctioned Powerlifting meet ever.
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College stats:
Squat: 415
Bench: 290
Cleans: 240
Pretty impresive for a basketball player
http://denverpioneers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/heath_phillip00.html (http://denverpioneers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/heath_phillip00.html)
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Yep, just not "bodybuilding" until age 25 or 26. Before that he did it recreationally. He did it specifically for competitive purposes at a much later age.
Yep, he went to Dallas, delivered pizzas for dominos I believe and would pretty much only eat pizza all the time, and his moms food, still was real muscular and low BF% then he wanted to join a gym and meet Dobson...rest is history
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To answer this question, YES! I began training as of October 8th, 2002
Outlook: Pound for pound, the strongest Pioneer on the floor … with his 5-foot-10, 180-pound frame, squats an impressive 415 pounds … also benches 290 and cleans 240 lbs … with one of the better vertical leaps on the team, can dunk with ease.
This was written for the 2002 season. Therefore Phil must have made these lifts immediately upon starting. If he began training in Oct 02, (and the HS BBall season usually runs oct til dec?) that means Heath could bench 290 and squat 415 on his first tries.
This may be true. Incredible genetics. But I'd be interested to know what he's benching and squatting NOW, after 4 years of training. If he made normal beginners' gains, he should not be squatting 700 and benching 405 easily.
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Outlook: Pound for pound, the strongest Pioneer on the floor … with his 5-foot-10, 180-pound frame, squats an impressive 415 pounds … also benches 290 and cleans 240 lbs … with one of the better vertical leaps on the team, can dunk with ease.
This was written for the 2002 season. Therefore Phil must have made these lifts immediately upon starting. If he began training in Oct 02, (and the HS BBall season usually runs oct til dec?) that means Heath could bench 290 and squat 415 on his first tries.
This may be true. Incredible genetics. But I'd be interested to know what he's benching and squatting NOW, after 4 years of training. If he made normal beginners' gains, he should not be squatting 700 and benching 405 easily.
Yep yep!
Its what its about..Genetics, the tell tale key tha twill determine how great a bodybuilder you will become..Sucks but its true..DOesnt suck for those "with the gift" right Heath? ;)
All top 5 pros are genetically gifted, some more than others..Phil is on his way up- Jay Cutler is peaking now! SO I expect jay to get better and better.. Jay And Phil are gonna be ramming heads jus tlike ROnnie and Jay are now...I really think this will be ROnnies last year...
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Phil, what are your current bench press and squat numbers?
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Adam,I don`t remeber where I read it,but it was some old muscle rag,but it showed Ronnie squatting in a competition.
You`re right though,I could find no info about it online.
If I still have the mag,I`ll post the info.
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and roids have nothing to do with it....thats a small part... Its genetics, Hard work/consistency dieting and training, and all the other "stuff" after..
Amazing someone can believe such bullshit...or expect others to believe it.
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I haven't maxed out on any lifts since college. As you guys can see from the internet link posted that I did lift weights. I never said I didn't lift, I only said that I did for bodybuilding. Think about it, basketball is now a sport where guys have to be stronger, faster, etc. to be competitive which is why we all had to lift in college. I was always built even in high school AND I DIDN'T LIFT WEIGHTS, I actually didn't wanna do it because of the myth that your game [basketball] would suffer. Many peeps cannot understand how someone like myself can reach this level of bodybuilding so quickly, but why throw around these types of threads as if you know what I'm really capable of.
I have always been an athlete, which is why I earned a division 1-a scholarship which is something many cannot claim on record. Do any of you really think that baskeball players lift like bodybuilders? If so, then why aren't they all on-swole? That means that they aren't bodybuilders nor are they lifting and especially eating like one. When I played, we did bench press, squats (front and or back), Lunges, deads, high snatch pulls, chins and cleans(hang and from the floor). That was all for being explosive on the playing floor. We weren't pushing that much weight in comparison to bodybuilders, but I was exceptional because of my genetics. It was a good program, but more powerlifting than bodybuilding, I think many aren't reading things clearly.
I've been blessed with some really good genetics, but I also work my butt off just like many of you do or claim to do. Some of these guys on the board who speculate so much and again, try to through salt on my game should just realize that I'm doing something positive and not being an arrogant punk considering my success in this sport. I respect everyone's opinion but I do not like it when peeps don't know anything about being an athlete and we're not talking about playing club ball or hanging with friends. I'm talking about high level post high school experience as all of them had some type of trait (genetics, hard work) to get them there. Ok, I'm done with this topic as I've spent again way too much of my time defending who I am. I do appreciate the people on here who have my back in reference to explaining my lifting experience, so I say thank you. The haters, well I guess they have nothing better to do, but I guess I enjoy it so keep it up and I will always try harder (7-0 baby).
Peace!
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the gift has spoken ;)
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I haven't maxed out on any lifts since college. As you guys can see from the internet link posted that I did lift weights. I never said I didn't lift, I only said that I did for bodybuilding. Think about it, basketball is now a sport where guys have to be stronger, faster, etc. to be competitive which is why we all had to lift in college. I was always built even in high school AND I DIDN'T LIFT WEIGHTS, I actually didn't wanna do it because of the myth that your game [basketball] would suffer. Many peeps cannot understand how someone like myself can reach this level of bodybuilding so quickly, but why throw around these types of threads as if you know what I'm really capable of.
I have always been an athlete, which is why I earned a division 1-a scholarship which is something many cannot claim on record. Do any of you really think that baskeball players lift like bodybuilders? If so, then why aren't they all on-swole? That means that they aren't bodybuilders nor are they lifting and especially eating like one. When I played, we did bench press, squats (front and or back), Lunges, deads, high snatch pulls, chins and cleans(hang and from the floor). That was all for being explosive on the playing floor. We weren't pushing that much weight in comparison to bodybuilders, but I was exceptional because of my genetics. It was a good program, but more powerlifting than bodybuilding, I think many aren't reading things clearly.
I've been blessed with some really good genetics, but I also work my butt off just like many of you do or claim to do. Some of these guys on the board who speculate so much and again, try to through salt on my game should just realize that I'm doing something positive and not being an arrogant punk considering my success in this sport. I respect everyone's opinion but I do not like it when peeps don't know anything about being an athlete and we're not talking about playing club ball or hanging with friends. I'm talking about high level post high school experience as all of them had some type of trait (genetics, hard work) to get them there. Ok, I'm done with this topic as I've spent again way too much of my time defending who I am. I do appreciate the people on here who have my back in reference to explaining my lifting experience, so I say thank you. The haters, well I guess they have nothing better to do, but I guess I enjoy it so keep it up and I will always try harder (7-0 baby).
Peace!
no offense Phil but i think the drugs have a little something to do with being "on swole".
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Let me preface this thread with the fact that I am a fan of Phil Heath and truly believe that he is the future and thank god for that b/c Jay and Ronnie do not do it for me. Asthetics baby Asthetics!!
Phil is being misleading by stating that he has only trained for 4 years. No way. The man definetly trained with weights in high school and college in the offseason for college basketball. I am the same age and went to college around the same time and my friends who played ball hit the weights. He might of not did a "bodybuilding workout program" but the man did curls, calf rises etc... I would love to see pics of him at 18 and I bet he was jacked. Basically I would not want a 16 yr old to think that he could get as big as Heath in 4 years. Heath really has be training for the las 12 years and not 4. Just keeping it real!!!Thats all.
A 16 yr old kid shouldn't be so nieve and think they can look like a pro bodybuilder period in 4 years as it is not realistic.
Do you realize that pros in every sport were pretty much born genetically to be where they are? I'd hate for my 15 year old nephew to think that he could be like LeBron James and go play in the NBA because of it not being realistic...same thing different sport bro. To say I've been training for 12 years get a clue bro, I'm 26 which would mean I was lifting when I was 14 so you need to keep it real and talk about what you know, which is nothing because you don't even know me bro. I'll quit talking to you as you have no idea what I've done. So many Ms. Cleo's out there and this is just another one of them I guess. No dis on you but c'mon, why make claims that have no proof.
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no offense Phil but i think the drugs have a little something to do with being "on swole".
Sure drugs are a reason but just look at Phil's phenomal muscle bellies :o I am sure that if he takes 5 lbs of muscle, he looks 15 pound bigger
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so what?,i started to train with 13 in a gym and even before that i did push-ups and chrunches at home
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no offense Phil but i think the drugs have a little something to do with being "on swole".
Maybe, but I hope that you aren't saying that is all that's involved.
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Phil, as the leader of getbig's Team Phil Heat 2006, I would like to ask you if you plan on doing the Olympia or skip it to have a good off-season ?
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as the right hand of blaine ,i say he should do the o and get the prize money cause he will be AT least top 6
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as the right hand of blaine ,i say he should do the o and get the prize money cause he will be AT least top 6
Top 3. You can bet on it. This guy's the second coming of Flex Wheeler -- and he seems to have the work ethic that Flex lacked. His future is very, very bright...
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Not misleading at all.
I was weight lifting ears before i started "training more like a bodybuilder". Thats what Phil means. Sure he threw some weights around in college..but yes, only 4 years of serious training with his genetics is truly believable. Thats why we are here behind the computer screen, and he is Phil Heath, along with all the other pros. They have something speciall genetically that really favors anabolism...we dont..well, we do to a point..but tha tpoint is way short of a pro bodybuilding type phyusique...and roids have nothing to do with it....thats a small part... Its genetics, Hard work/consistency dieting and training, and all the other "stuff" after..
i cant believe some people are that stupid.please die.
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I would love to see Phil Heath make top 3 at the O. The O has been boring for years. We need some shakeup.
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I say skip the O, come back and win the Ironman/Arnold to make it 9-0. Then, possibly win the O...(assuming Ronnie has retired or blown out another bodypart). It could be 10-0 and the start of a new dynasty!
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I say skip the O, come back and win the Ironman/Arnold to make it 9-0. Then, possibly win the O...(assuming Ronnie has retired or blown out another bodypart). It could be 10-0 and the start of a new dynasty!
Team Heat 2006 approves your plan
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Phil Heath would then be the Jesus Christ of bodybuilding; the messiah of the IFBB...
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i cant believe some people are that stupid.please die.
He is right. Gear is NOT what makes guys like Phil, Ronnie, Shawn, Flex, etc. look so insane. Without genetics it would not happen.
Think of it this way. Do you think that if you put Arvilla on the same drug, training & nutrition regimen as Phil, that he would look anything like Phil? Here is a hint...
NO!!!
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Re: Take a look at your Jr. Nationals Top contender...
« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2005, 07:52:59 PM »
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Phil is good, actually great - but he aint the Matawan Muscle Machine baby! BOOM BOOM BOOM!
Mo Elbasouni
Getbig II
hahahahhahaha
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Re: Take a look at your Jr. Nationals Top contender...
« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2005, 07:52:59 PM »
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Phil is good, actually great - but he aint the Matawan Muscle Machine baby! BOOM BOOM BOOM!
Mo Elbasouni
Getbig II
hahahahhahaha
For some reason, it always make me laugh when someone writes "Mo Elbow Macaroni".
YIP
Zack
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hahhaha. The BOOM BOOM BOOM are funnier tought
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As a fellow athlete and strong man I agree that Phil Heath should become my training partner. But only if he can keep up! ;D
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I say skip the O, come back and win the Ironman/Arnold to make it 9-0. Then, possibly win the O...(assuming Ronnie has retired or blown out another bodypart). It could be 10-0 and the start of a new dynasty!
I agree completely, let the old guard finish their run before he starts his run, collectively Coleman and Cutler probably have 2-3 more years in the spotlight, Ronnie this year and then Cutler for 1-2 years.
After that it's Phil Heath's turn.
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I haven't maxed out on any lifts since college. As you guys can see from the internet link posted that I did lift weights. I never said I didn't lift, I only said that I did for bodybuilding. Think about it, basketball is now a sport where guys have to be stronger, faster, etc. to be competitive which is why we all had to lift in college. I was always built even in high school AND I DIDN'T LIFT WEIGHTS, I actually didn't wanna do it because of the myth that your game [basketball] would suffer. Many peeps cannot understand how someone like myself can reach this level of bodybuilding so quickly, but why throw around these types of threads as if you know what I'm really capable of.
I have always been an athlete, which is why I earned a division 1-a scholarship which is something many cannot claim on record. Do any of you really think that baskeball players lift like bodybuilders? If so, then why aren't they all on-swole? That means that they aren't bodybuilders nor are they lifting and especially eating like one. When I played, we did bench press, squats (front and or back), Lunges, deads, high snatch pulls, chins and cleans(hang and from the floor). That was all for being explosive on the playing floor. We weren't pushing that much weight in comparison to bodybuilders, but I was exceptional because of my genetics. It was a good program, but more powerlifting than bodybuilding, I think many aren't reading things clearly.
I've been blessed with some really good genetics, but I also work my butt off just like many of you do or claim to do. Some of these guys on the board who speculate so much and again, try to through salt on my game should just realize that I'm doing something positive and not being an arrogant punk considering my success in this sport. I respect everyone's opinion but I do not like it when peeps don't know anything about being an athlete and we're not talking about playing club ball or hanging with friends. I'm talking about high level post high school experience as all of them had some type of trait (genetics, hard work) to get them there. Ok, I'm done with this topic as I've spent again way too much of my time defending who I am. I do appreciate the people on here who have my back in reference to explaining my lifting experience, so I say thank you. The haters, well I guess they have nothing better to do, but I guess I enjoy it so keep it up and I will always try harder (7-0 baby).
Peace!
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what's refreshing is he writes like a leader not a crack jiver
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He is right. Gear is NOT what makes guys like Phil, Ronnie, Shawn, Flex, etc. look so insane. Without genetics it would not happen.
Think of it this way. Do you think that if you put Arvilla on the same drug, training & nutrition regimen as Phil, that he would look anything like Phil? Here is a hint...
NO!!!
totally agree, genetics is at least 50% of being a Pro BBer, diet and training are another 40%, drugs fill in the rest
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Heath, would you say your super-supplement usage is low, medium, or high levels?
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Heath, would you say your super-supplement usage is low, medium, or high levels?
As the Leader of getbig's Team Heat 2006, I will comment by saying: By reading the post of Phil here at getbig, it is pretty safe to say that he won't anwser your question.
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Does anyone have any pics of Phil as he came up the ranks, say 2001 2002? Right as he started to switch over to bodybuilding? Phil? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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LiftStudio has a pic of his first contest.
Crazy genetic
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Does anyone have any pics of Phil as he came up the ranks, say 2001 2002? Right as he started to switch over to bodybuilding? Phil? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
I have pics from college goofing off and also the day (october 8th 02) that I began bodybuilding. I am sorry to say, but I will not post those pics as it would only fuel some of the haters' fire. Some day, I will send them in to FLEX so that they can write up some before and after story, but that'll have to wait for awhile...sorry, blame it on the haters bro.
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Re: Take a look at your Jr. Nationals Top contender...
« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2005, 07:52:59 PM »
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Phil is good, actually great - but he aint the Matawan Muscle Machine baby! BOOM BOOM BOOM!
Mo Elbasouni
Getbig II
hahahahhahaha
haha I remember mo saying he would beat phil
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I have pics from college goofing off and also the day (october 8th 02) that I began bodybuilding. I am sorry to say, but I will not post those pics as it would only fuel some of the haters' fire. Some day, I will send them in to FLEX so that they can write up some before and after story, but that'll have to wait for awhile...sorry, blame it on the haters bro.
haters? ::) just reserve the right to use them later and dont blame us for it
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I have pics from college goofing off and also the day (october 8th 02) that I began bodybuilding. I am sorry to say, but I will not post those pics as it would only fuel some of the haters' fire. Some day, I will send them in to FLEX so that they can write up some before and after story, but that'll have to wait for awhile...sorry, blame it on the haters bro.
Team Heat 2006 will destroy the haters
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good bodybuilder but over rated ::)
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haha I remember mo saying he would beat phil
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Yeah, how did that ever pan out?
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I have pics from college goofing off and also the day (october 8th 02) that I began bodybuilding. I am sorry to say, but I will not post those pics as it would only fuel some of the haters' fire. Some day, I will send them in to FLEX so that they can write up some before and after story, but that'll have to wait for awhile...sorry, blame it on the haters bro.
Phil has one of the oil women make advances at you yet? Give us your scoop about your first experiences at professional competition. Anything whacky going on backstage?
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Yeah, how did that ever pan out?
HeavyWeight
1 Phil Heath
2 Christopher Perticari
3 Erick Seng
4 David Dorsey
5 Darin Dudash
6 Eric Simpson
7 Reginald Anderson
8 Dylan Scheidler
9 Dean Gardner
10 Laymon Smith
11 Bill Willis
12 Rich DeCiccio
13 Joe Downs
14 Moslem Elbasouni
15 Robert Calin
- Adrian Dommas
- Chris Meadows
- Mark Podgorny
- Anthony Badejo
BOOM BOOM BOOM !
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HeavyWeight
1 Phil Heath
2 Christopher Perticari
3 Erick Seng
4 David Dorsey
5 Darin Dudash
6 Eric Simpson
7 Reginald Anderson
8 Dylan Scheidler
9 Dean Gardner
10 Laymon Smith
11 Bill Willis
12 Rich DeCiccio
13 Joe Downs
14 Moslem Elbasouni
15 Robert Calin
- Adrian Dommas
- Chris Meadows
- Mark Podgorny
- Anthony Badejo
BOOM BOOM BOOM !
hahahaha, monster not backing up your bragging by Momo.
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HeavyWeight
1 Phil Heath
14 Moslem Elbasouni
BOOM BOOM BOOM !
Hey, Mo was the best built 21 year old in the country. Unfortunately, that country wasn't the USA. Probably Greenland or Antarctica (continent or country?)
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I have pics from college goofing off and also the day (october 8th 02) that I began bodybuilding. I am sorry to say, but I will not post those pics as it would only fuel some of the haters' fire. Some day, I will send them in to FLEX so that they can write up some before and after story, but that'll have to wait for awhile...sorry, blame it on the haters bro.
No blame towards anyone Phil. It's your choice to let the "haters" make your decisions. Just thought it would be interesting to see. Peace
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Hey, Mo was the best built 21 year old in the country. Unfortunately, that country wasn't the USA. Probably Greenland or Antarctica (continent or country?)
greenland = country
antarctica = continent
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maybe mo is the best 21 year old in the US I bet those guys were older
I saw him in the new HFR ad in Flex
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Phil Heath actually started lifting weights the Thursday before the Colorado Pro.
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many years of weight training
years of CORRECT weight training
black genetics and phenominal response to hormones (sometimes those 2 do not go together in his case they do)
all you can eat diet with high enough protien
work ethics
drive
luck
and lastly some time and money ;)
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black genetics lol your hillarious fake pro!
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black genetics lol your hillarious fake pro!
the fact you're dying to know who i am doesnt have anything to do with the combo of words "black genetics".
majority of black men/women have superiror genetics in comparisson with white men/women period. you should go to any gym of your choice and look around you;;you will see black guys that havent touched hormones and already look as big and as muscular/built as any white guy out there that has been drinking gear for 3 years in a raw. also pay attention my friend, to the fact you will always compare yourslf to white boys in your gym and when you see a black boy you will think oh he's black ... im sure you know what i mean ;)
i got one word for you,,REBORN
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the fact you're dying to know who i am doesnt have anything to do with the combo of words "black genetics".
majority of black men/women have superiror genetics in comparisson with white men/women period. you should go to any gym of your choice and look around you;;you will see black guys that havent touched hormones and already look as big and as muscular/built as any white guy out there that has been drinking gear for 3 years in a raw. also pay attention my friend, to the fact you will always compare yourslf to white boys in your gym and when you see a black boy you will think oh he's black ... im sure you know what i mean ;)
i got one word for you,,REBORN
what about Italian dudes, GH?
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im talking in general here,,with black and whites it is very obvious. i feed black guys who dont even compete or think in terms of bodybuilding,, i feed them 30mg dbol and some test or deca at 400-500mg and in 2 months you dont recognize them. why? because they were already built very well and looked jacked before starting the hormone usage! (not all but many) bodybuilding is mainly a black guy sport and the white guys try their best and sometimes do very well and become even better (arnold) but it is mainly a sport dominent by black guys.
when it comes to italians,,well they are white a little thicker physiqe if trained,,good forarms and can gain size easy but it is same as all whites.
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sarcasm said "monster not backing up your bragging..." LOL LOL LOL. Delusional hypocrite statement of all time.
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im talking in general here,,with black and whites it is very obvious. i feed black guys who dont even compete or think in terms of bodybuilding,, i feed them 30mg dbol and some test or deca at 400-500mg and in 2 months you dont recognize them. why? because they were already built very well and looked jacked before starting the hormone usage! (not all but many) bodybuilding is mainly a black guy sport and the white guys try their best and sometimes do very well and become even better (arnold) but it is mainly a sport dominent by black guys.
when it comes to italians,,well they are white a little thicker physiqe if trained,,good forarms and can gain size easy but it is same as all whites.
damn, you just crushed my dreams GH.
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gh you drink your gear? What an incredible specimen you are. By the way its not a matter of wanting to know who you are because most people can recognize your just some nerd in your moms basement. Quit posting your filth and try working out for a change.
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gh you drink your gear? What an incredible specimen you are. By the way its not a matter of wanting to know who you are because most people can recognize your just some nerd in your moms basement. Quit posting your filth and try working out for a change.
rest my case ;) you won with the comment about drinking gear
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gh you drink your gear? What an incredible specimen you are. By the way its not a matter of wanting to know who you are because most people can recognize your just some nerd in your moms basement. Quit posting your filth and try working out for a change.
GH15 speaks the truth and he has obviously touched a nerve with you, the info he talks about is the exact same verbatim that i've herad from every IFBB pro or NPC national level guy i've ever talked to.
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since im in the mood for enlighting few brains i will let you in another secret that is going on as of today with many top amatuers and few pros. the protien/weight gainer powders we deliver to specific individuals and they know who they are ;)include oral aas powders in them in specific ratios. you will find a lot more when and if "gh15speaking" comes out.
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GH15 speaks the truth and he has obviously touched a nerve with you, the info he talks about is the exact same verbatim that i've herad from every IFBB pro or NPC national level guy i've ever talked to.
O.... well if you say so sarcasm.... ::)
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No blame towards anyone Phil. It's your choice to let the "haters" make your decisions. Just thought it would be interesting to see. Peace
Yeah, there have been times when I wanted to show some throwback pics, but I figured that I should save em' for a later date ya know. The haters' don't really make my decisions, but they do enlighten me on how I should save something such as old pics for later. Don't you worry, they'll be out soon enough.
Peace! ;D
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Yeah, there have been times when I wanted to show some throwback pics, but I figured that I should save em' for a later date ya know. The haters' don't really make my decisions, but they do enlighten me on how I should save something such as old pics for later. Don't you worry, they'll be out soon enough.
Peace! ;D
Stop hating on Phil, guys. He didn't even pick up a weight until AFTER he won the colorado pro.
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Stop hating on Phil, guys. He didn't even pick up a weight until AFTER he won the colorado pro.
Just like you who haven't picked up a nutritional meal until after the "jobs".
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greenland = country
antarctica = continent
actually dipshit, greenland is not a country. it is a territory of Denmark
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Just like you who haven't picked up a nutritional meal until after the "jobs".
I don't know that this means. Can you explain this, Alexxx?
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Let me preface this thread with the fact that I am a fan of Phil Heath and truly believe that he is the future and thank god for that b/c Jay and Ronnie do not do it for me. Asthetics baby Asthetics!!
Phil is being misleading by stating that he has only trained for 4 years. No way. The man definetly trained with weights in high school and college in the offseason for college basketball. I am the same age and went to college around the same time and my friends who played ball hit the weights. He might of not did a "bodybuilding workout program" but the man did curls, calf rises etc... I would love to see pics of him at 18 and I bet he was jacked. Basically I would not want a 16 yr old to think that he could get as big as Heath in 4 years. Heath really has be training for the las 12 years and not 4. Just keeping it real!!!Thats all.
You don't happen to create threads about Gustavo being cocky using the handle "M1", do you? Or post pics of Stan McQuay, using the handle Jumpstart?
YIP
Zack
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We got bigger fish to fry than Phil Heath possibly lying about his years of training.
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Remember when Titus lied about his age to build hype about being a phenom?
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the fact you're dying to know who i am doesnt have anything to do with the combo of words "black genetics".
majority of black men/women have superiror genetics in comparisson with white men/women period. you should go to any gym of your choice and look around you;;you will see black guys that havent touched hormones and already look as big and as muscular/built as any white guy out there that has been drinking gear for 3 years in a raw. also pay attention my friend, to the fact you will always compare yourslf to white boys in your gym and when you see a black boy you will think oh he's black ... im sure you know what i mean ;)
i got one word for you,,REBORN
i trained in a mostly black gym as a teen and they all had the typical big upper body and beyond toothpic calves! most of the black guys wouldnt go near the leg equiptment!
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many years of weight training
years of CORRECT weight training
black genetics and phenominal response to hormones (sometimes those 2 do not go together in his case they do)
all you can eat diet with high enough protien
work ethics
drive
luck
and lastly some time and money ;)
Gh15 always speak the truth.
but I still think Cathy Lefrancois is hot ;D
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I don't know that this means. Can you explain this, Alexxx?
My point exactly! ;D
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hey phil!...first off kudos on the 2 shows u won, i think u look like what a bb er should look like. U were right about haters speaking out of their asses ...i came to bb from a different sport than u ( tennis) where i played as a pro for a few years...and i did lift while doing it....i had so many people that doubted what i could lift because i weighted only 165 @ 5'10 1/2 ...but anyone who knows anything about being explosive would know that it is genetic as well...anyway i was able to squat close to 400 for reps, deadlift 360x4 and bench 305x1 ...i could also do 45 degree press with 1000 lbs+ for a few good reps. ...i could also run the 100m in just under 11sec. ... and of course when i started bb seriously i progressed much faster then other guys and everyone thought i was on AAS even though i wasn't touching any at the time. ...but hey ! like u said ..." u can't teach these guys how to make chicken soup when they don't know what chicken is! "
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hey phil!...first off kudos on the 2 shows u won, i think u look like what a bb er should look like. U were right about haters speaking out of their asses ...i came to bb from a different sport than u ( tennis) where i played as a pro for a few years...and i did lift while doing it....i had so many people that doubted what i could lift because i weighted only 165 @ 5'10 1/2 ...but anyone who knows anything about being explosive would know that it is genetic as well...anyway i was able to squat close to 400 for reps, deadlift 360x4 and bench 305x1 ...i could also do 45 degree press with 1000 lbs+ for a few good reps. ...i could also run the 100m in just under 11sec. ... and of course when i started bb seriously i progressed much faster then other guys and everyone thought i was on AAS even though i wasn't touching any at the time. ...but hey ! like u said ..." u can't teach these guys how to make chicken soup when they don't know what chicken is! "
you're a beast, sevatese. ::)
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if u find another tennis player to match my lifts...i'll laugh w/u...but brotha...if u would know what it takes to play full time on tour u would understand ...but i think u are just another armchair qb... ;)
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no offense..lol
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if u find another tennis player to match my lifts...i'll laugh w/u...but brotha...if u would know what it takes to play full time on tour u would understand ...but i think u are just another armchair qb... ;)
yeah, i'm just dying to find out what it takes to be a tennis player. ::)
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yeah, i'm just dying to find out what it takes to be a tennis player. ::)
shut up bitch
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shut up bitch
hahaha, Al-Qaeda m.eltdown.
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anytime someone is trying to say something constructive u make a negative comment...1...it's not nice ...2...u dot some issues u gotta get over...maybe things didn't pan out how u wanted...it's ok...but move on... :)
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anytime someone is trying to say something constructive u make a negative comment...1...it's not nice ...2...u dot some issues u gotta get over...maybe things didn't pan out how u wanted...it's ok...but move on... :)
don`t bother,sarcasm is a little guy,that`s all
i bet he doesn`t even train
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Ronnie is the Jesus of Bodybuilding
Agreed! Too many here forget that >:(
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nah he is more like the Noah of bodybuilding ;)
wiped everybody around him clean!
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Agreed! Too many here forget that >:(
Actually Ronnie is the "John the Baptist" of bodybuilding. Heath would be Jesus and save the sport.
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not true, definitely not true
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Does anyone have any pics of Phil as he came up the ranks, say 2001 2002? Right as he started to switch over to bodybuilding? Phil? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
I have pics from college goofing off and also the day (october 8th 02) that I began bodybuilding. I am sorry to say, but I will not post those pics as it would only fuel some of the haters' fire. Some day, I will send them in to FLEX so that they can write up some before and after story, but that'll have to wait for awhile...sorry, blame it on the haters bro.
Yeah, there have been times when I wanted to show some throwback pics, but I figured that I should save em' for a later date ya know. The haters' don't really make my decisions, but they do enlighten me on how I should save something such as old pics for later. Don't you worry, they'll be out soon enough.
Peace! ;D
Where are the pics Phil ?
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Heath could go from Skinny fat to what he looks like now in 2 years if he wanted to.
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All I know is Jay is gonna take it this year.
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Does anyone have any pics of Phil as he came up the ranks, say 2001 2002? Right as he started to switch over to bodybuilding? Phil? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
;D
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Legend has it Phil Heath's first time touching a weight was in the pumping room before winning the USAs. True story.
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Legend has it Phil Heath's first time touching a weight was in the pumping room before winning the USAs. True story.
haha. I hope repetrope documented it all.
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I haven't maxed out on any lifts since college. As you guys can see from the internet link posted that I did lift weights. I never said I didn't lift, I only said that I did for bodybuilding. Think about it, basketball is now a sport where guys have to be stronger, faster, etc. to be competitive which is why we all had to lift in college. I was always built even in high school AND I DIDN'T LIFT WEIGHTS, I actually didn't wanna do it because of the myth that your game [basketball] would suffer. Many peeps cannot understand how someone like myself can reach this level of bodybuilding so quickly, but why throw around these types of threads as if you know what I'm really capable of.
I have always been an athlete, which is why I earned a division 1-a scholarship which is something many cannot claim on record. Do any of you really think that baskeball players lift like bodybuilders? If so, then why aren't they all on-swole? That means that they aren't bodybuilders nor are they lifting and especially eating like one. When I played, we did bench press, squats (front and or back), Lunges, deads, high snatch pulls, chins and cleans(hang and from the floor). That was all for being explosive on the playing floor. We weren't pushing that much weight in comparison to bodybuilders, but I was exceptional because of my genetics. It was a good program, but more powerlifting than bodybuilding, I think many aren't reading things clearly.
I've been blessed with some really good genetics, but I also work my butt off just like many of you do or claim to do. Some of these guys on the board who speculate so much and again, try to through salt on my game should just realize that I'm doing something positive and not being an arrogant punk considering my success in this sport. I respect everyone's opinion but I do not like it when peeps don't know anything about being an athlete and we're not talking about playing club ball or hanging with friends. I'm talking about high level post high school experience as all of them had some type of trait (genetics, hard work) to get them there. Ok, I'm done with this topic as I've spent again way too much of my time defending who I am. I do appreciate the people on here who have my back in reference to explaining my lifting experience, so I say thank you. The haters, well I guess they have nothing better to do, but I guess I enjoy it so keep it up and I will always try harder (7-0 baby).
Peace!
Good talking to you Phil, good luck in the future
-JJ