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Older picture of Tom.
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this picture is recent.
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seriously, if he had stayed healthy, I wonder if he could have been Mr O. Just incredible shape and size.
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I think Tom is one of the few pros who had the probably had the potential to get to Ronnie's size.
Too bad Advil took him from the sport, huh? ::)
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One of many problems with Tom Princess was that he tried to play the mass game.
He would've been awesome at around 230-240. Would've looked enormous. But perhaps the guy didn't have patience.
And that resulted in the gut monster look.
That infamous kiddy table post he wrote... :'( Wasn't that many months before his health problems I think.
YIP
Zack
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That infamous kiddy table post he wrote... :'( Wasn't that many months before his health problems I think.
what was that post about? Something prophetic?
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Too bad Advil took him from the sport, huh? ::)
Ibuprofen... when will people learn? :'(
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what was that post about? Something prophetic?
Nah, something about how natties were sitting at the kiddy table and the real hardcore juicing lifters were at the grown up table or something like that. How natties were a bunch of pussies. Pure gold. Unbelievable post.
Those were truly the days... ;D
Then he had his health misfortunes.
YIP
Zack
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Remember, according to Tom Prince, it's not the drugs that make a top bodybuilder, it's hard work and eating.
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Nah, something about how natties were sitting at the kiddy table and the real hardcore juicing lifters were at the grown up table or something like that. How natties were a bunch of pussies. Pure gold. Unbelievable post.
Those were truly the days... ;D
Then he had his health misfortunes.
YIP
Zack
Well TP is still a ripped 230 ISN'T HE ??
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Maybe he blew his ass out taking too much PGF2a...I hear they are related compounds...so "advil" wouldn't be such a stretch
Blew his ass out?
I remember how Princess told us how he trained at a gay gym, didn't they have a good standing calf raise machine or something...
...don't know about him getting his ass blown out though.
YIP
Zack
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What was getbig like when news broke of his ailment? Somber? Celebratory?
And how would you rate his presence compared to today's contemporaries?
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I could be wrong about this, but if you look at these pics of Prince,
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?p=718998#post718998
about half way down the page, it just looks to me like he has a sterile bandage over a fistula for kidney dialysis on his left forearm. Having worked it the medical profession for years and seen a lot of kidney dialysis patients, this just look typical. I could be wrong…
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I could be wrong about this, but if you look at these pics of Prince,
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?p=718998#post718998
about half way down the page, it just looks to me like he has a sterile bandage over a fistula for kidney dialysis on his left forearm. Having worked it the medical profession for years and seen a lot of kidney dialysis patients, this just look typical. I could be wrong…
For those of us who are banned like dogs, can you screenshot the pic? Thanks, Greg, RN!
:) jk.
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Tom was great but he had a long waist and short legs so he would not have been the best of the best IMO (Mr O). Too goofy looking.
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What was getbig like when news broke of his ailment? Somber? Celebratory?
And how would you rate his presence compared to today's contemporaries?
It was mostly a 'you deserved it, you pieve of shit' type of deal... when Tom was on the boards he was a real dick/asshole to everyone, it's no wonder him Chick and Kamali are best of friends. Some people felt bad, but a lot of people had been burned/slammed by TP so...
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the guy has only done a couple of shows...As far as a competing bodybuilder at the pro level, he doesn't have the competition history to be considered anything close to great...
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One of many problems with Tom Princess was that he tried to play the mass game.
He would've been awesome at around 230-240. Would've looked enormous. But perhaps the guy didn't have patience.
And that resulted in the gut monster look.
That infamous kiddy table post he wrote... :'( Wasn't that many months before his health problems I think.
YIP
Zack
i disagree. tp looked incredible at the 2001 NOC, that he should have won at a bw of about 260.
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We're probably all glad that he is alive, regardless of how we feel about him personally.
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Here's one of the pics.
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are we shocked by what drugs can do? :o
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the guy (prince) looked best at around 230lbs, he should have stayed at that weight and polished his physique. 90% of the pros looked best at lighter bodyweights (including ruhl...check out how he looked like when he won the german championship in the mid 90s..). Fucking amazing physique in that pic...
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size wise he was bigger than just about anybody who isnt ronnie coleman. His legs were amazing, his hams were so big they looked photoshopped and his side chest was almost unmatched for thickness. Genetic freak doesnt begin to describe his potential but as you say, the drugs ended his career without him doing any kind of damage in the sport. Just another great "coulda been" in a long, long line
Strength wise he was supposed to be untouchable
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Anybody who used to read his posts will know that Tom Prince had a mood for every occasion. I'm sure he's a whole lot less "female" in that regards now that he is off teh juice.
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He’s like that DC superhero, the Atom. He’s shrinking so small and so fast, in a few months you won’t be able to see him... and he’ll be forgotten.
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He’s like that DC superhero, the Atom. He’s shrinking so small and so fast, in a few months you won’t be able to see him... and he’ll be forgotten.
Im blown away by how much size he has lost!!!
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id say he is more Godzuki than Godzilla these days ;D
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Im blown away by how much size he has lost!!!
compare/contrast many of the pro's working v retired photo's. tom is not unusual. get a life.
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Nah, something about how natties were sitting at the kiddy table and the real hardcore juicing lifters were at the grown up table or something like that. How natties were a bunch of pussies. Pure gold. Unbelievable post.
Those were truly the days... ;D
Then he had his health misfortunes.
YIP
Zack
if this is what he wrote than he can blow me. I've always felt kinda bad for the guy...I don't know everything about him but it must suck going form 270lbs to 135lbs but if his views on natty's were what you said then he's a moron. I'm in my low 30's and still growing and pretty damn strong. I'll take my body and being a drug free pussy over the life he has to lead anyday of the week.
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<tom> i almost died for you bitches!!1!1!</tom>
Do you guys remember that line from a post he wrote????now, THAT was classic!!! :D
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He looks like a junkie and that's 100% serious. what's with all the shit covering up his arms.
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compare/contrast many of the pro's working v retired photo's. tom is not unusual. get a life.
I make an observation and you tell me to get a life? You are a complete jackass
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He looks like a junkie and that's 100% serious. what's with all the shit covering up his arms.
That was my question. Is it a sterile dressing coving a fistula for kidney dialysis? He just looks like your typical kidney dialysis patient.
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<tom> i almost died for you bitches!!1!1!</tom>
Do you guys remember that line from a post he wrote????now, THAT was classic!!! :D
Well it is not unlike Tom to disappoint. Almost . . . if you were really hardcore you'd finish the job, prick.
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<tom> i almost died for you bitches!!1!1!</tom>
Do you guys remember that line from a post he wrote????now, THAT was classic!!! :D
TP didn't write that, it was one of the moderators from mayhem after we had a big thread bashing TP here.
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Oh those silly mayhem guys and they have got jokes! ::)
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Tom was great but he had a long waist and short legs so he would not have been the best of the best IMO (Mr O). Too goofy looking.
I agree...his torso is too long...I've seen midgets with this same look.
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TP didn't write that, it was one of the moderators from mayhem after we had a big thread bashing TP here.
good catch, its true. My bad! :)
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Tom Prince = 135 lbs
Bob Chic , nice freind you got there...
A deflating balloon called , it wanted its job back Tommy Boy
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Nah, something about how natties were sitting at the kiddy table and the real hardcore juicing lifters were at the grown up table or something like that. How natties were a bunch of pussies. Pure gold. Unbelievable post.
Those were truly the days... ;D
Then he had his health misfortunes.
YIP
Zack
hahahaha, look at him now, it looks like you could literally walk right up and smack him in the face and he couldn't do a thing about it.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he was 120 pounds.
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1500 mg per week is conservative! I am way off.
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That was my question. Is it a sterile dressing coving a fistula for kidney dialysis? He just looks like your typical kidney dialysis patient.
The bandage on the elbow is probably due to shooting junk. He had major track marks there in a few Flex shoots.
Anyone listen to the recent Mayhem Podcast? He claims he is 220 currently (in that pic).
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The bandage on the elbow is probably due to shooting junk. He had major track marks there in a few Flex shoots.
Anyone listen to the recent Mayhem Podcast? He claims he is 220 currently (in that pic).
hahahahahahahaha, he's not 220 with two 45's taped to his body.
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220? Was that picture taken on Saturn?
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hahahahahahahaha, he's not 220 with two 45's taped to his body.
I know. But what's funny is that the weight he claims is still 10 lbs. less than what he said he would level out at. He said it would be impossible to get below 230 even if he stopped training.
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I know. But what's funny is that the weight he claims is still 10 lbs. less than what he said he would level out at. He said it would be impossible to get below 230 even if he stopped training.
How much would he weigh if he stopped slowly dying?
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The bandage on the elbow is probably due to shooting junk. He had major track marks there in a few Flex shoots.
Here are pics of Dialysis fistulas--------------which is obviously what Prince has on his arms
Major organs on the dude's body are shutting down and dieing and all you can say is he looks like a Junkie-----your a piece of sh8t
Trying having the major toxin processing unit in your body shut down and see how much weight you can keep on---------
Everybody wants to "Moral Grandstand", take a stand and kick them when there down.
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Here are pics of Dialysis fistulas--------------which is obviously what Prince has on his arms
Major organs on the dude's body are shutting down and dieing and all you can say is he looks like a Junkie-----your a piece of sh8t
Trying having the major toxin processing unit in your body shut down and see how much weight you can keep on---------
Everybody wants to "Moral Grandstand", take a stand and kick them when there down.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, but, he really was arrogant and stupid on these boards. I don't wish any harm to the man, but, it really is a shame he was such a jerk on here, and still apparently lying about his situation.
If he wanted any respect, he would come clean about his situation, and maybe try to educate the people he used to shit on. If he and some of his friends on here were honest, and maybe used this as something positive and maybe warn people of the dangers of diuretics and other "aids", I can pretty much bet people would stop shitting on him.
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, but, he really was arrogant and stupid on these boards. I don't wish any harm to the man, but, it really is a shame he was such a jerk on here, and still apparently lying about his situation.
If he wanted any respect, he would come clean about his situation, and maybe try to educate the people he used to shit on. If he and some of his friends on here were honest, and maybe used this as something positive and maybe warn people of the dangers of diuretics and other "aids", I can pretty much bet people would stop shitting on him.
poetic justice. no grandstanding here.
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, but, he really was arrogant and stupid on these boards. I don't wish any harm to the man, but, it really is a shame he was such a jerk on here, and still apparently lying about his situation.
If he wanted any respect, he would come clean about his situation, and maybe try to educate the people he used to shit on. If he and some of his friends on here were honest, and maybe used this as something positive and maybe warn people of the dangers of diuretics and other "aids", I can pretty much bet people would stop shitting on him.
I hadn't known about the arrogance and lying---which is shitty but not enough in my mind to deserve trashing a dieing man. ALthough I do agree with you that he should use his experience to educate people about what caused his condidtion and how it could have been avoided.
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I hadn't known about the arrogance and lying---which is shitty but not enough in my mind to deserve trashing a dieing man. ALthough I do agree with you that he should use his experience to educate people about what caused his condidtion and how it could have been avoided.
He and King were BRUTAL on here in the "old" days. I never registered while they did their thing, but it was sickening, both the arrogance and the ugliness they brought to this board. I wish neither one harm for sure, but, he and some of his "cohorts" on here continue to alienate their "fans" by talking about maintaining some illusionary weight and insinuating the uniqueness of their genetic endowments. It isn't true, and if he were the "bigger man", he would use this situation to give back to the sport through education and humility in my opinion. :)
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Even if Tom is on the verge of death right now (which he isn't), he has no excuse for looking like that.
Matt, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you know anything about Dialysis? The guy is in the hospital at least 12 hrs a week, those are the hours when the dialysis machine has to do all of the work his kidneys would have done for the whole week.
In b/w dialysis visits, the patients feel like utter shit (retain water, can't clear wastes, acid base and electrolytes all fucked up) not to mention the washed out feeling they get after the dialysis.
If TP has a fistula (which he most likely does, and yes that is probably what the bandage is for) at least he doesn't have to worry about getting an infection from a central line but, the fistulas do not last forever, and sadly neither do patients on hemodialysis.
I would give TP <10 years (and that is being conservative, not knowing all of his other medical problems).
Nicorulez, could probably shed more light on this matter....but the bottomline is, he decided to do what he wanted with his life and now......like James Dean, he lived fast and died young.
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Matt, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you know anything about Dialysis? The guy is in the hospital at least 12 hrs a week, those are the hours when the dialysis machine has to do all of the work his kidneys would have done for the whole week.
In b/w dialysis visits, the patients feel like utter shit (retain water, can't clear wastes, acid base and electrolytes all fucked up) not to mention the washed out feeling they get after the dialysis.
If TP has a fistula (which he most likely does, and yes that is probably what the bandage is for) at least he doesn't have to worry about getting an infection from a central line but, the fistulas do not last forever, and sadly neither do patients on hemodialysis.
I would give TP <10 years (and that is being conservative, not knowing all of his other medical problems).
Nicorulez, could probably shed more light on this matter....but the bottomline is, he decided to do what he wanted with his life and now......like James Dean, he lived fast and died young.
Good point, pass the cheerios. Tom Prince is no James Dean. His death may matter to Chick, but the majority could give a shit.
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does he have any shot for a kidney transplant?
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I am sure Titus doesn't need two.
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does he have any shot for a kidney transplant?
Even if he did those are not generally permanent solutions either.
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Good point, pass the cheerios. Tom Prince is no James Dean. His death may matter to Chick, but the majority could give a shit.
Yeah, he's no james dean, hes actually a nobody.
And you're right, nobody will care when he dies.
But, rather than BB using people like him or munzer or flex to inspire others not to make the same mistakes, they just sweeep in under the rug.
Bravo IFBB, give yourself a hand.
does he have any shot for a kidney transplant?
Yes, he does. If he can find a match (but, i'm assuming since he is already on dialysis, he couldn't find a match and is now on the waiting list).
not sure how the lists are in the US, but in Canada most people die waiting for a new kidney.
Also, his prognosis would be worse after going on HD then getting the transplant directly.
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Matt, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you know anything about Dialysis? The guy is in the hospital at least 12 hrs a week, those are the hours when the dialysis machine has to do all of the work his kidneys would have done for the whole week.
In b/w dialysis visits, the patients feel like utter shit (retain water, can't clear wastes, acid base and electrolytes all fucked up) not to mention the washed out feeling they get after the dialysis.
If TP has a fistula (which he most likely does, and yes that is probably what the bandage is for) at least he doesn't have to worry about getting an infection from a central line but, the fistulas do not last forever, and sadly neither do patients on hemodialysis.
I would give TP <10 years (and that is being conservative, not knowing all of his other medical problems).
Nicorulez, could probably shed more light on this matter....but the bottomline is, he decided to do what he wanted with his life and now......like James Dean, he lived fast and died young.
That's definitely a messed up situation to be in. I wish the guy luck, but i've got a question... did'nt Don Long go through basically the same thing as Tom? Don Long, as recent picture's show, look's good and still has a decent physique.
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That's definitely a messed up situation to be in. I wish the guy luck, but i've got a question... did'nt Don Long go through basically the same thing as Tom? Don Long, as recent picture's show, look's good and still has a decent physique.
yes, but Don Long got a new kidney, so did flex and alonzo mourning (who played great for that matter)
Things are a HELL OF A LOT BETTER with a new kidney these days then almost certain death on dialysis.
I've heard the immunosupressants are a lot better now too, but, things are a lot different in this field since i trained.
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But, rather than BB using people like him or munzer or flex to inspire others not to make the same mistakes, they just sweeep in under the rug.
Bravo IFBB, give yourself a hand.
I agree completely its like Major league baseball---the owners and commisioner were loving the money from the sosa, mcguire homerun race that made them hundreds of millions and brought baseball back after the strike--- they all knew what was going on
but when the media starts up with the steriod scandals the owners, commisioners and even the fans stab the players in the back and use them as the scapegoats and demonize them----------its hypocritical and just more corporate corruption and mistreatment of the athlete, who the bigwigs see the playters as nothing more than commodities that are disposible instead of human beings.
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TP should be at the bottom of the transplant list.
My final thoughts, because I am choosing not to spend another second of my life considering him:
He has the opportunity to educate and inspire and possibly save others. Does he? No. He is still the same prick, he is just dying now. Better people die everyday and we probably don't know them. We are wasting time on the one who we surely won't miss.
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It can't be that hard to find a kidney, right? If most people have two, and you only need one from an eligible donor, a match should be able to be found.
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That's definitely a messed up situation to be in. I wish the guy luck, but i've got a question... did'nt Don Long go through basically the same thing as Tom? Don Long, as recent picture's show, look's good and still has a decent physique.
I can't believe Don Long. Why juice after receiving a kidney transplant?
Regarding Tom Princess, I definitely hope he'll get a transplant before it's too late, and also that he gets a good life.
YIP
Zack
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It can't be that hard to find a kidney, right? If most people have two, and you only need one from an eligible donor, a match should be able to be found.
yeah but you dont match up with everyone-----it must depend on blood type etc....
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if this is what he wrote than he can blow me. I've always felt kinda bad for the guy...I don't know everything about him but it must suck going form 270lbs to 135lbs but if his views on natty's were what you said then he's a moron. I'm in my low 30's and still growing and pretty damn strong. I'll take my body and being a drug free pussy over the life he has to lead anyday of the week.
Bizzump.
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It can't be that hard to find a kidney, right? If most people have two, and you only need one from an eligible donor, a match should be able to be found.
This post illustrates how little the common person knows about medicine.
You can't just lop off a kidney and throw it into TP, he will reject it my friend.
Oh, if only it were so easy!!! Unfortunately there is such a thing called an immune system and major histocompatability to worry about.
Yes ether you are right, I don't much about dialysis. My friend is on it right now, she apparently got in the same position Tom is in now all because of one bout of food poisonining. Seems very hard to believe that is possible without some genetic factors also playing a role.
But going back to what I said: Tom needs steroids both psychologically and physically in order to train.
He juiced for the 2004 Ironman - this was AFTER he was diagnosed with kidney failure. I think that says everything you need to know about his need to juice.
Dig up the precontest bible thread Tom started on mayhem if you want to see how negative and moody he was all the time. While I wouldn't wish what has happened to Tom on anyone, I would be a lot MORE sad about it if he was a nicer person and if he didn't cause it. My friend is a perfect example of this.
Matt, i don't know TP personally or even doubt that he is probably an arrogant, reprehensible person who accomplished little and wasted his life then (and now) by not being a role model for other bbers.
But, working out on dialysis (to get huge) is simply not feasible.
Anyways, he wasted his life and now he will pay for his decisions.
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yeah but you dont match up with everyone-----it must depend on blood type etc....
It depends on a few things. MHC compatibility/closeness is one of them. Level of immunosupression a person can tolerate is another. I am sure ther are more that I can't remember right now, however, as mentioned earlier, improvements are being made in these areas, but it still wouldn't be an easy life.
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Major organs on the dude's body are shutting down and dieing and all you can say is he looks like a Junkie-----your a piece of sh8t
Yeah... Tom almost died for you bitches! >:(
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I wouldn't be surprised if he was 120 pounds.
I use dumbbells that weigh more then he does :D
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220? Was that picture taken on Saturn?
LOL!!
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You know something, Tom is pretty sick right now
Vince recently stated that "Tom is pretty sick right now".
Is his condition worsening, or is someone talking out of their ass for the 17th time this month?
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Vince recently stated that "Tom is pretty sick right now".
Is his condition worsening, or is someone talking out of their ass for the 17th time this month?
it probably is....um he is having major organ failure so why would this be something so hard to believe
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it probably is....um he is having major organ failure so why would this be something so hard to believe
It would be hard to believe because you don't know Vince G yet... LOL
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I just don't see why, if there are recent developments in Prince's health for the negative, he would choose Vince Goodrumm as the mouthpiece for it.
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Here are pics of Dialysis fistulas--------------which is obviously what Prince has on his arms
Major organs on the dude's body are shutting down and dieing and all you can say is he looks like a Junkie-----your a piece of sh8t
Trying having the major toxin processing unit in your body shut down and see how much weight you can keep on---------
Everybody wants to "Moral Grandstand", take a stand and kick them when there down.
he IS a junkie, took illegal drugs( no bullshit about scripts from a doctor, thanks)and formed either a physical or psycological dependency on them. if his body dissolves into a bucket of shit who cares, he did it to himself.
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Isn't he planning to beat the fuck out of Chris Mason? ???
Dude, if I had a dollar for every tall tale told by one of Goodrum's personalities I would be sipping daquiris on my yacht right now.
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i tried to ask Tom what was up with his track marks in "the old days" back on mayhem. Posted the same thread 10 times over a period, always disappeared very fast. Sometimes in a matter of seconds ;D
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I just don't see why, if there are recent developments in Prince's health for the negative, he would choose Vince Goodrumm as the mouthpiece for it.
Maybe TP was one of Vince's 'secret' sponsored athletes ;)
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It would be hard to believe because you don't know Vince G yet... LOL
dude I know all about Vince and all about his working with the Arizona Cardinals ::)----and how he's a "major player" in the fitness industry etc...LOL--------
Im sure Vince has no secret source...but my point was that someone on dialysis getting sicker and sicker is probably true even if mickey mouse wrote it.
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Inside sources say that TP is notorious for shooting things other than muscle enhancing supplements. Ask "On_Swole" aka Sean Maloney. He posted over at MM that one of TP's good friends was overheard (by Sean himself) saying "That's what happens when you shoot cocaine every day for 20 years." Then Tom recanted that it was his fistula. Probably for both the dialysis and otherwise.
Someone else besides On_Swole told me that it's true that TP's kidney failure is not the result of juice, advil or excess protein. In fact, it's due to what Sean mentioned- cocaine being shot in his arm.
Far as his drug regimen, there are numerous people that knew him in Florida, when TP did their contest prep. Guys were being told to take so much shit, they'd wake up in the middle of the night with irregular heartbeats, fainting at work, and suffering from ill-effects while on the cycle TP prescribed-not a cumlative build-up.
Scott Milne (I believe that was the correct name)0 was rumored to have worked with TP when he died. Dan Dufresne puked while onstage, swallowed it and continued to pose and did not win. Then there is the story of Big D (I think the late Marianna Komlos' brother). TP did his contest prep and the thread that may/may not still be over at Mayhem, was an utter disaster. Tales of vomiting, dehydration, TP leaving the guy for another he had in the contest, taking a ton of money from him and not giving what was promised in return.
The tales of TP are numerous. He's got a track record, and I'm not speaking of his arms this time.
Too many people have stories of him. Be it acting like an asshole, doing their contest prep and running out on them in the midst of needing him most, or just an internet encounter where he was so moody he made himself out to be a tourets patient.
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Inside sources say that TP is notorious for shooting things other than muscle enhancing supplements. Ask "On_Swole" aka Sean Maloney. He posted over at MM that one of TP's good friends was overheard (by Sean himself) saying "That's what happens when you shoot cocaine every day for 20 years." Then Tom recanted that it was his fistula. Probably for both the dialysis and otherwise.
Someone else besides On_Swole told me that it's true that TP's kidney failure is not the result of juice, advil or excess protein. In fact, it's due to what Sean mentioned- cocaine being shot in his arm.
Far as his drug regimen, there are numerous people that knew him in Florida, when TP did their contest prep. Guys were being told to take so much shit, they'd wake up in the middle of the night with irregular heartbeats, fainting at work, and suffering from ill-effects while on the cycle TP prescribed-not a cumlative build-up.
Scott Milne (I believe that was the correct name)0 was rumored to have worked with TP when he died. Dan Dufresne puked while onstage, swallowed it and continued to pose and did not win. Then there is the story of Big D (I think the late Marianna Komlos' brother). TP did his contest prep and the thread that may/may not still be over at Mayhem, was an utter disaster. Tales of vomiting, dehydration, TP leaving the guy for another he had in the contest, taking a ton of money from him and not giving what was promised in return.
The tales of TP are numerous. He's got a track record, and I'm not speaking of his arms this time.
Too many people have stories of him. Be it acting like an asshole, doing their contest prep and running out on them in the midst of needing him most, or just an internet encounter where he was so moody he made himself out to be a tourets patient.
you are right in parts of your story,, in general prince did not know how to deal with being big (muscle big) and it got to his head. the thing is he did not have a top physiqe but his physiqe was enough for him to think he was something and when you think you are something you push it and push it till you fall.
prince was not the only one who had those problems but he belong in the group that also used narcs,,also for bodybuilding purposes sad to say (this group is HUGE) while milos is an example of someone who fell due to too much of a good thing and was able to recover,,prince belong in a group that fell due to too much of a bad thing and can not recover,, i call it the group of death and this group is big too big to write here.
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Hey guys, just my two cents. Ether sent me this way as he felt I could provide some insight. The fact is that I am a nephrologist or kidney specialist. Ether is absolutely correct, hemodialysis entails going to a dialysis unit three time a week for four hours at a time (12 hours/weekly). Unfortunately, regardless of age or etiology of renal failure, the average dialysis patient has a 20% mortality a year. If the patient is diabetic, as may well happen to someone who abused GH, the yearly mortality is closer to 25%. Thus, the best option if TP is on dialysis longterm would be a renal transplant (tx).
There are two kinds; a living related (or unrelated) tx vs a cadavaric (dead body) renal tx. Usually, the living tx last longer (around 20 years or so). Unfortunately, a tx requires you to be on powerful immunosuppressive agents for life. These include steroids (not anabolics, prednisone which makes you fat), a calcineurin inhibitor (such as cyclosporine or tacrolimus) and a purine inhibitor (cellcept or imuran). Luckily, some people do fairly well if they do not reject the kidney (rare in this day and age if MHC match is good). If you follow basketball, Zo Mourning of the Miami Heat had a living related tx and he looks awesome. Thus, renal failure is not a death sentence, but it is a very difficult disease. Anybody who would abuse their body with roids, GH and needless insulin is a fool. Moreover, it is such a catabolic illness, that only the most genetically gifted would be able to put on muscle mass while on dialysis.
Oh 240, it is difficult to get a tx. If you are not a good match, rejection is likely. Moreover, if you get a sub-optimal kidney and it fails, it portends a poor prognosis for another kidney as you have now developed antibodies. Needless to say, the first kidney you get you want to keep. On average, if you don't have a suitable living donar, it takes about two years or so to get a cadavaric kidney.
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Maybe Titus will give TP his Kidneys before they fry him...
Oh ya i forgot, Craigs probably are just as bad as TP's :-\
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Blind...like Thomas Dolby.
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I've said things in the past regarding the situation when we were going at it back and forth (things I do not care to repeat), but the above statement was most certainly not one of them.
that doesnt sound like you
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TP should be at the bottom of the transplant list.
My final thoughts, because I am choosing not to spend another second of my life considering him:
He has the opportunity to educate and inspire and possibly save others. Does he? No. He is still the same prick, he is just dying now. Better people die everyday and we probably don't know them. We are wasting time on the one who we surely won't miss.
best post in months.
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Titus was actually the guy that went on MM and called Prince out for shooting coke & nubain for 20+ years. Craig was pissed about the comments Prince made about his physique after the 2004 Ironman.
If I remember correctly the title of the thread was "TOM PRINCE, Bitter and washed up".
Tom was a dick on the web, however I ,nor should anyone else want to see the guy suffer from health related problems. He is a husband and father and people need him in their life.
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Hey guys, just my two cents. Ether sent me this way as he felt I could provide some insight. The fact is that I am a nephrologist or kidney specialist. Ether is absolutely correct, hemodialysis entails going to a dialysis unit three time a week for four hours at a time (12 hours/weekly). Unfortunately, regardless of age or etiology of renal failure, the average dialysis patient has a 20% mortality a year. If the patient is diabetic, as may well happen to someone who abused GH, the yearly mortality is closer to 25%. Thus, the best option if TP is on dialysis longterm would be a renal transplant (tx).
There are two kinds; a living related (or unrelated) tx vs a cadavaric (dead body) renal tx. Usually, the living tx last longer (around 20 years or so). Unfortunately, a tx requires you to be on powerful immunosuppressive agents for life. These include steroids (not anabolics, prednisone which makes you fat), a calcineurin inhibitor (such as cyclosporine or tacrolimus) and a purine inhibitor (cellcept or imuran). Luckily, some people do fairly well if they do not reject the kidney (rare in this day and age if MHC match is good). If you follow basketball, Zo Mourning of the Miami Heat had a living related tx and he looks awesome. Thus, renal failure is not a death sentence, but it is a very difficult disease. Anybody who would abuse their body with roids, GH and needless insulin is a fool. Moreover, it is such a catabolic illness, that only the most genetically gifted would be able to put on muscle mass while on dialysis.
Oh 240, it is difficult to get a tx. If you are not a good match, rejection is likely. Moreover, if you get a sub-optimal kidney and it fails, it portends a poor prognosis for another kidney as you have now developed antibodies. Needless to say, the first kidney you get you want to keep. On average, if you don't have a suitable living donar, it takes about two years or so to get a cadavaric kidney.
Very well said.
His best/only bet at this point is a kidney transplant.
I'm assuming that since he does not have one already, none of his immediate family were a match.
In the US can friends donate directly to the recipient? In Canada, if a friend is willing to give you the kidney it goes to the list (you can't give one directly to a friend) and the waiting list is atrociously long (7000 people in Ontario alone).
I'm not sure if TP is going to get a kidney, nor do I think that I (or anyone else for that matter) can decide who should receive one and who should not. If he ever did, he could prove us all wrong and turn his life around become a motivational speaker or (the more likely option) he might start abusing hard core again.
Nobody knows, but for his sake he better get one soon.
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Ether, just to let you know that in the US, a friend is able to donate if he is healthy and is a good match. However, the process for a living donar (related or not) is very long and entails physical studies as well as psychological testing. So yes, it is possible, but he better be a damn good friend to give up a kidney. Peace.
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Ether, just to let you know that in the US, a friend is able to donate if he is healthy and is a good match. However, the process for a living donar (related or not) is very long and entails physical studies as well as psychological testing. So yes, it is possible, but he better be a damn good friend to give up a kidney. Peace.
That rules Chick out, he'd never pass the psychological test. :P
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Thanks. My question has been answered about the dialysis fistula.
I also have learned that Tom Prince has been a mainline junkie for 20 years, and has a bodyweight somewhere in the range of 135-180 lbs.
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Tom was a dick on the web, however I ,nor should anyone else want to see the guy suffer from health related problems. He is a husband and father and people need him in their life.
I remember Tom and Chick being FUNNY as hell about 4 years ago on Getbig and I enjoyed posting with them daily.
Whatever demons Tom has faced, they are his own, and now that he is sick and in need of a transplant, I am sure he doesn't need to be reminded of his errors.
The fact is that you are 100% correct that his wife and children still need him to be here, and you all should wish him well or just decide to be indifferent about him.
Bashing him on a daily basis serves no purpose.
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I remember Tom and Chick being FUNNY as hell about 4 years ago on Getbig and I enjoyed posting with them daily.
Whatever demons Tom has faced, they are his own, and now that he is sick and in need of a transplant, I am sure he doesn't need to be reminded of his errors.
The fact is that you are 100% correct that his wife and children still need him to be here, and you all should wish him well or just decide to be indifferent about him.
Bashing him on a daily basis serves no purpose.
I agree with you, but I don't get why TP is sticking to the Advil story.
Why not come clean and tell the whole story?
YIP
Zack
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Personally, people who abuse steroids and alcohol should be put on a diffrent list than those who have renal failure due to other factors....
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Personally, people who abuse steroids and alcohol should be put on a diffrent list than those who have renal failure due to other factors....
In canada, for liver transplants if the patient is still using alcohol or IV drugs they will not get the transplant.
I'm not sure if that applies to kidneys, but it is doubtful.
The transplant lists try to be as non-judgemental/godlike as possible, we are also against capital punishment in all provinces up here.
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he's the man
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Personally, people who abuse steroids and alcohol should be put on a diffrent list than those who have renal failure due to other factors....
Agree - But money talks. Look at the singer John Philips(Mamas & Papas). Got a new liver, then was caught on tape drinking at the local bar after the transpalnt. What an ass.
People that have the money or a good insurance will get the organ first.
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I agree with you, but I don't get why TP is sticking to the Advil story.
Why not come clean and tell the whole story?
YIP
Zack
Zack.
You remember that about 3-6 months after he "retired" from the sport, he did come clean. He posted that if he could do it all over again he would take baby cycles "more like a woman's cycle", and then have MUCH more "off" time than he had.
He agreed that it was his abuse of gear that led him to his kidney problems. He even said that it was his own stupidity for not getting a $75 dollar blood test on occasion to check his levels.
I do not remember him saying it was due to aspirin.........
Maybe that is where he is now, but then again, I REMEMBER HIM BEING VERY CANDID.......
It was only when he dropped below 250 lbs and everyone started bashing him that he became defensive and a little bitter...
Again though, wish him well. His family needs him.
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Remember when he came back 'clean' to do his last ever contest (ironman a couple of yrs ago from memory), and Tom and the Chad claimed that he was natural at something like 278lbs in contest condition. Ronnie Coleman actually called him out on it at the weigh in - something like "what with you claiming to be competing natural at 280lbs" as he was there as a spectator. He must be half that weight now - these guys involved in bodybuilding are seriously f cked up and delusional!! :-\
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Tom Prince Plans Improbable Comeback at the Ironman
After suffering life-threatening kidney problems that forced him to quit bodybuilding last year, Tom Prince is on target for a dramatic comeback at the Ironman Pro Invitational on February 21. While Prince, whose ordeal was chronicled recently in FLEX ("To Hell and Back," January ‘04), is still waiting for official clearance from the IFBB before he can compete, he has received the okay from his physician. "My doctor’s written a letter to the IFBB, so if all goes well from now until the contest, I’ll be onstage," Prince said from his home this week. "I still get regular blood tests. So far so good."
Naturally, Prince has backed away from his balls-to-the-wall hardcore regimen, settling for far fewer sets, supplements and protein-laden grub than he did to build the monstrous physique that came to be nicknamed "The Thing." "I get tired faster now," he said. "I’ve cut back to about 12 sets per workout. I’m only consuming 200-225 grams of protein per day. That’s far less than I used to consume."
Despite the reduced intake, the Southern California bodybuilder is still a mammoth 276 quality pounds. "I have striations everywhere. People are surprised by how good I look," reported Prince, who still trains with close friend Bob Cicherillo at Gold’s Gym, Venice. "I can’t imagine I’ll be any less than 255 pounds at the Ironman."
Barring any last minute health cautions, Prince will keep his options open after the Ironman. "If I do well at the Ironman, I’ll see if I can get an invite to the Arnold," he explained. "I’m doing this to prove to myself that I’m tough enough to find a way around the obstacles and difficulties I’ve encountered. I have nothing to prove to anybody but myself."
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
good post Bob
sorry for your friends
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
Nice post Bob...sorry for your loss.
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I hadn't known about the arrogance and lying---which is shitty but not enough in my mind to deserve trashing a dieing man. ALthough I do agree with you that he should use his experience to educate people about what caused his condidtion and how it could have been avoided.
One of the top 5 five soccer players ever died last year, George Best. The British tabloid News of the World published a picture of Best at his own request, showing him in his hospital bed, along with what was reported to be his final message: "Don't die like me".
He didn't have to let the world see him like that, but he used his illness/death to warn people about the ills of substance abuse. If Prince is never coming back to BB, shouldn't he do the same? Or is he actually just the umpteenth BB who, coincidentally, has a congenital condition...?
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
I gota say, differences aside....Well said Chick. I would never wish that on anyone, and from what I know Prince was an okay guy. I hope that never happens to me, or you, and if it did, I would certainly like to believe that people would not make fun.
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My condolences to you and the family of your friends Bob.
I was listening to a Pod Cast with Tom on it and he said he stills goes to dialysis twice a week. We need to take time out to feel for an Iron Brother. That man inspired me for years ( hell he still does.)
The Beef
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Nah, something about how natties were sitting at the kiddy table and the real hardcore juicing lifters were at the grown up table or something like that. How natties were a bunch of pussies. Pure gold. Unbelievable post.
Those were truly the days... ;D
Then he had his health misfortunes.
YIP
Zack
Sad, I remember that. I heard He was very strong too. they said he worked out at Gold's in venice and Tom was the Prince there back then. it's very sad that his career had to end like this.
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
Very well said, Chick
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im very sorry for your loss Bob...................
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Sorry for your loss Bob and give Tom and his family GetBig's best, I know the majority of us here don't want to see people suffer. There are a few jerks on here, heck even I have said some things in the heat of the moment for which I am not prooud. Nevertheless, all the best Bob to you and Tom.
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Nah, something about how natties were sitting at the kiddy table and the real hardcore juicing lifters were at the grown up table or something like that. How natties were a bunch of pussies. Pure gold. Unbelievable post.
Those were truly the days... ;D
Then he had his health misfortunes.
YIP
Zack
I vaguely remember that. What a fucking idiot.
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
Excellent post Chick . Dan
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Tom is doing great, he fronted the Rolling Stones for the Super Bowl halftime show. ;D
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
^Excellent post.
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Good el posterino Bob. Health is a great thing to have.
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Tom was 278, and Ronnie wasn't "calling him out" he was astonished that he could be that big at 5'9, and was busting his balls....
That being said, Tom was natural for that show, and was fighting some serious health problems...278 wasn't a badge of honor, it was a big waving red flag...his body was starting to hold so much water from the kidney failure, that he could have been in real trouble within hours...the contest prep was actually having a reverse effect.
He wisely bailed out, as we were literally pumping up in the back and ready to get in line. His breathing was getting shallower by the minute, he made the right move and got himself to the hospital for treatment.
To all the guys who think it's funny or cool to rip on Tom for his problems...Tom doesn't go on the boards anymore (hasn't for some time)...he's running a successful Property Management business, so quit wasting your time...he ain't reading it.
More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
How can anyone feel sorry for something he chose to do himself with such reckless abandonment. If anything he should be ridiculed so he never forgets what he has put his wife and other family members through. I have a feeling that his wife is just as dumb and delusional as he is considering that she let him continue on this path of drugs and destruction.
How dare you insult a hard natural trainer such as myself and refer to Tom Prince as being natural in any shape or form. It is completely impossible to weigh 278 lbs naturally or even 250 lbs naturally at a height of 5`7 or 5`8. A ripped 215 is even a major,major oddity for anyone under 6ft.
Why do you and your cronies continue to spit bullshit? How come you people are so delusional? I am sure you have no answers to any of these questions.
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I know he's your buddy, but Tom himself admitted to using gear at the 2004 Ironman. Why do you feel the need to lie to defend him? This adversely affects your credibility. You know he used gear, why deny it?
"Never", meet "answered."
I know you two will be happy together.
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More importantly, I hope none of you take it as lightly when someone close to you is lying there in the hospital bed with tubes and wires running everywhere, and a doctor telling you it's "touch and go" as their wife is looking to you for some sort of re-assurance...I don't care if it's their fault, or by the grace of God.
You live by the sword you die by the sword.
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How can anyone feel sorry for something he chose to do himself with such reckless abandonment. If anything he should be ridiculed so he never forgets what he has put his wife and other family members through. I have a feeling that his wife is just as dumb and delusional as he is considering that she let him continue on this path of drugs and destruction.
How dare you insult a hard natural trainer such as myself and refer to Tom Prince as being natural in any shape or form. It is completely impossible to weigh 278 lbs naturally or even 250 lbs naturally at a height of 5`7 or 5`8. A ripped 215 is even a major,major oddity for anyone under 6ft.
Why do you and your cronies continue to spit bullshit? How come you people are so delusional? I am sure you have no answers to any of these questions.
i can answer you with aspect to the wife. any woman that agree to live with us know what she get into and even if she dont at the beggining,,she knows it within few months living with us. those type of women are either in the industry and do same exact thing themselves or are out of the industry and ADORE MUSCLE and that mean will do everything possibly can to keep us theirs. ANY THING IN THEIR POWER including accepting any habits and personality we do/go through. they become submissive and no factor in the relashionship 99% of the time.
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i can answer you with aspect to the wife. any woman that agree to live with us know what she get into and even if she dont at the beggining,,she knows it within few months living with us. those type of women are either in the industry and do same exact thing themselves or are out of the industry and ADORE MUSCLE and that mean will do everything possibly can to keep us theirs. ANY THING IN THEIR POWER including accepting any habits and personality we do/go through. they become submissive and no factor in the relashionship 99% of the time.
Very intriguing. Care to elaborate or share some stories that you know of?
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I know this has very little to do with the topic, but is it true that Tom used to inject Esiclean into his dick, while at parties, in order to make it look bigger?
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I know this has very little to do with the topic, but is it true that Tom used to inject Esiclean into his dick, while at parties, in order to make it look bigger?
::) duh
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::) duh
Well, soreeeeeee, I never went to these gay orgies to know any better...
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Tom Prince was never big.
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Tom Prince was never big.
But was he ever gay?
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But was he ever gay?
You've been reading COLT mag, haven't ya?
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I know this has very little to do with the topic, but is it true that Tom used to inject Esiclean into his dick, while at parties, in order to make it look bigger?
Is this about the Venice Beach Sex Cult story? Vaguely remember something like that in the story.
Funny thing; when Tom erased a thread on MM about the T-mag article saying "I know one of the guys in the story and it's all bullshit!". How can he know who the persons in the story are if it's all BS?
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You've been reading COLT mag, haven't ya?
I've got my monthly issue sitting right here on my lap, it's filled with tons of yummy cumarticles..
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Is this about the Venice Beach Sex Cult story? Vaguely remember something like that in the story.
Funny thing; when Tom erased a thread on MM about the T-mag article saying "I know one of the guys in the story and it's all bullshit!". How can he know who the persons in the story are if it's all BS?
Was that story true? Its become like that of an urban myth in most hardcore gyms. It always somehow ends with Tom injecting esiclean in his dick and having to take an ambulance to the hospital..
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Life is short, my friends...I just lost 2 friends within a 2 week period...one of them as close to me as my own brother. Lets all be grateful were alive and in good health to even be on these boards...not revel in someone else's misfortunes.
What I want to know is, if this guy just lost 2 friends("one of them as close to me as my own brother"), WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING POSTING HERE? Uh, dude, take a break.
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Tom Prince was never big.
Maybe he didn't like to get big Bast?
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What I want to know is, if this guy just lost 2 friends("one of them as close to me as my own brother"), WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING POSTING HERE? Uh, dude, take a break.
LOL, certain people "grieve" in different ways.
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Was that story true? Its become like that of an urban myth in most hardcore gyms. It always somehow ends with Tom injecting esiclean in his dick and having to take an ambulance to the hospital..
There is NO WAY a needle is coming close to my dick! I can't belive someone in their right mind would do something like that. If this is true Tom had some serious issue's that should have been addressed before his present condition.
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Maybe it was before the Colt photoshoot.
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Maybe it was before the Colt photoshoot.
What is a "Colt photoshoot"?
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What is a "Colt photoshoot"?
lol, anything with the word Colt in front of it can be figured out if you apply yourself
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So does Tom Prince currently weigh 230 lbs?
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So does Tom Prince currently weigh 230 lbs?
230 minus 100-110 depending on the treatment that day ;D
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tom prince is a joke,,remind me very much the russian counterfiter vladimir both got no class and lack muscle mass,,i bet money tom bought some goodies from vladimir during the years RIGHT THOMAS?? :D ..dont worry he reads it all
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Great pic.
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Question from someone who has zero interest in pro bodybuilding: Why does everyone hate Tom Prince?
???
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Question from someone who has zero interest in pro bodybuilding: Why does everyone hate Tom Prince?
???
He did it to himself. He acted like a self absorbed douche while he was juiced to the gills. He made the claim that he could never get below 220+ pounds,even if he tried. Now he looks like an Aids patient. I'm sure he prefers paper over plastic. ;D
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Tom Prince was never big.
(http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/gallery/data/577/medium/tom_prince_0008-1.jpg)
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He did it to himself. He acted like a self absorbed douche while he was juiced to the gills. He made the claim that he could never get below 220+ pounds,even if he tried. Now he looks like an Aids patient. I'm sure he prefers paper over plastic. ;D
Wow... He's doesn't even have a swimmers physique now.
I remember the paper bag story, that was fucked ;D
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(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/977829358.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maq3snlQQQ1ruk8bao1_400.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/161/images/Tom_Prince_59.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15r0bCMCU1qjz6zwo1_500.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megs27ABj51r86ax8o1_500.jpg)
(http://forum.spam.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1317&stc=1&d=1095597409)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=287654.0;attach=327600;image)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15sa5EjUf1qjz6zwo1_500.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m54f5cuL6u1rs4ej4o1_500.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=241412.0;attach=281606;image)
(http://oi49.tinypic.com/10gd340.jpg)
(http://www.3rbpic.com/sports/Body%20building/Tom%20Prince%20(17).jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=241412.0;attach=281637;image)
(http://builtreport.com/tom_prince/tom_prince_004.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/161/images/Tom_Prince_72.jpg)
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serious question.
is that really tom prince there naked with the cock and balls?^^^^^^^^^^
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Here's one of the pics.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80110.0;attach=85827;image)
Quite a schmoe
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Great pic.
why are you replying to a topic from 2006?
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why are you replying to a topic from 2006?
Getbig time machine!!
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Damn GH15's spelling was spot on back in 2006.
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lots of great posters back then
did they change their handle or just disappear?
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Great pic.
Was that really worth bumping a 6 year old thread? Idiot. >:(
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How much time did it take him to loss all that muscle?
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maq3snlQQQ1ruk8bao1_400.jpg)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=241412.0;attach=281637;image)
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Was that really worth bumping a 6 year old thread? Idiot. >:(
You mad?
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You mad?
Like someone else who's notorious for shoving a lot of junk into their bodies, Tom's kidneys and heart eventually failed him. Derek will either get small like Tom did, or he won't be around for long.
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Tom Prince was G4P, thus his exposure in Colt. It is common knowledge that he was promoted by a pharmacist for a number of years. Not that I really give a shit, but it is what it is... Probably another contributing reason as to why he never ended up doing much in terms of his bbing career. Once your name gets our there you are toast.
Hell half of Gold's gym Venice is probably G4P!!!
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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What's the paperbag story? I'm assuming something to do with the shopped pic a few posts up, but what's the story? Another mirage hotel by the I e machine story?
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Sly, getting the fuck outta the mens room (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=257906.0;attach=299605;image)
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Have a healthy and prosperus New Year, Tom.
Got into bodybuilding when you were a freak and wanted to be develop just like you. But don't go overboard due to funds and gear availablity here. But have worked myself up to 255 at 6'2". I'd like to get over 280 again at under 9bf again but its expensive to keep that routine up.
So, what's up with the paperbag comment on here earlier. I don't get it. Must be out of the loop - gym, work, family, church.
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any updates or pics on prince??
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=241412.0;attach=281637;image)(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTG7AG2aQcTmmSiG-E7bW9xq5nULITm9imEEE42TZFsQFI1y7wfmA)
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any updates or pics on prince??
He seems to do well in real estate, well, that's what he says...
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He seems to do well in real estate, well, that's what he says...
What's he look like these days? He's been on dialysis for awhile now.
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What's he look like these days? He's been on dialysis for awhile now.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/images/stories/breakingnews/Tom_Prince_today_copy.jpg)
A couple weeks ago, I got a surprise visit of my old friend Tom Prince at the Max Muscle store in Venice. I had not seen Tom in a really long time except maybe for a quick minute on Sundays here in there at Gold’s Gym Venice where we would cross each other quickly on our way in or out of the gym. That day, Tom was on his way back home and instead of being stuck in the LA traffic, he decided to pay me a visit so we could catch up properly. He pulled up in a beautiful new grey Mercedes and park right in front of the store. As he got out of the car, he had a big smile on his face and right away I could tell he was a happy man. Tom retired from competitive bodybuilding officially after the 2004 Ironman due to kidney failure. Since then, he has been doing dialysis treatments 3 times a week for 5 hours, from 4am to 9am to clean up and purify his blood so he could stay alive. But on Sunday, June 17th, 2012 Tom received a kidney transplant and the operation was a success. Tom does no longer require dialysis treatments and after a couple months of follow ups to make sure his body is taking the new kidney without any rejection, he will be living a normal life, he’ll be able to travel even in Europe if he wants to. Tom said “Since bodybuilding, I have been living a charmed life, I am very happy” I asked him if he missed bodybuilding and he thought about it for a minute and said, “Not so much the competing, but the relationships and the friendships I forged over the years, that’s what I miss the most” “Since I retired, I have been working everyday with my wife Rebecca and I love it. She started her own Property Management company and today we manage 82 buildings. It’s crazy, I never thought I would find something I would enjoy doing more than bodybuilding but I have to say that this was a very smooth transition for me, I never skipped a beat. I am also happy that after years of being my rock and supporting what I wanted to do, today, I get to do the same for Becca and support her business and be her rock, it’s great!” Well it looks like life after bodybuilding isn’t so bad Tommy. Congrats on all your good fortune, we are truly happy for you.
-- Dave Bourlet
There was a vid with an interview, but I guess that Dave has removed it from his channel.
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I remember him taking the piss out of naturals with that "sit at the kiddie table" stuff. He was always bragging about how strong he was, how tons of past champs (e.g., Mentzer) couldn't carry his gym bag, blah blah blah. He even said that if someone tried to move into his apartment complex, he'd "put them through the compulsories" first.
If that doesn't sound queer, I don't know what does :D
Oh! Yes, I do: his "hole in the wall." He wanted to start a gym that literally had a hole in the wall. If your arm fit through it, you couldn't train there ::) I wonder if the bathroom stalls in that gym ... eh. Nevermind. I'm too drunk to make a clever joke about him, his queer exploits and the paper bags. I can't even remember the particulars of that sordid tale, thank God :o
Adam nailed it many years ago. Tom Prince was not only a royal (haha!) asshole and arrogant, lying jerkoff, he brought all of his health problems on himself. I've no clue why Bob stuck up for that dickhead. He was the epitome of a drug addict who was too stupid and selfish to stop abusing his body until it was too late. If anything, he deserves nothing but CONTEMPT for that because he had/has a wife and kids.
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I remember him taking the piss out of naturals with that "sit at the kiddie table" stuff. He was always bragging about how strong he was, how tons of past champs (e.g., Mentzer) couldn't carry his gym bag, blah blah blah. He even said that if someone tried to move into his apartment complex, he'd "put them through the compulsories" first.
If that doesn't sound queer, I don't know what does :D
Oh! Yes, I do: his "hole in the wall." He wanted to start a gym that literally had a hole in the wall. If your arm fit through it, you couldn't train there ::) I wonder if the bathroom stalls in that gym ... eh. Nevermind. I'm too drunk to make a clever joke about him, his queer exploits and the paper bags. I can't even remember the particulars of that sordid tale, thank God :o
Adam nailed it many years ago. Tom Prince was not only a royal (haha!) asshole and arrogant, lying jerkoff, he brought all of his health problems on himself. I've no clue why Bob stuck up for that dickhead. He was the epitome of a drug addict who was too stupid and selfish to stop abusing his body until it was too late. If anything, he deserves nothing but CONTEMPT for that because he had/has a wife and kids.
lol legit getbigger
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I wonder who showed who the ice machine technique first?
Did Bob show Tom the tricks of the trade of the ice machine or did Tom show Bob?
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More than a few Getbigger's remind me of a bunch of gossipy women at the beauty parlor, all talking shit about whoever doesn't happen to be there. I heard once that men were worse gossips then women....seems like that may be correct.
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Good for him. Bodybuilding is a mental illness.
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More than a few Getbigger's remind me of a bunch of gossipy women at the beauty parlor, all talking shit about whoever doesn't happen to be there. I heard once that men were worse gossips then women....seems like that may be correct.
This is the gossip and opinion board you old, confused homo
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I wonder who showed who the ice machine technique first?
Did Bob show Tom the tricks of the trade of the ice machine or did Tom show Bob?
Why do you have Mower in your avatar and have been a member less than a year? Squad?
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Why do you have Mower in your avatar and have been a member less than a year? Squad?
How many fucking times are you going to ask the same question.
::)
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Nah, something about how natties were sitting at the kiddy table and the real hardcore juicing lifters were at the grown up table or something like that. How natties were a bunch of pussies. Pure gold. Unbelievable post.
Those were truly the days... ;D
Then he had his health misfortunes.
YIP
Zack
Karma is a bitch. ::)
Serves him right!
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This is the gossip and opinion board you old, confused homo
So let me get this straight; because there is a board for gossip and opinion on Getbig, it makes idle, negative and sometimes hurtful gossip okay? You might think it is fine, but it still examples very immature behavior. Gossip is for people who have no life of their own worth living so they live vicariously through others, often through futile attempts to make themselves appear somehow better then their fellow man by denigrating others. Gossip is pathetic, regardless of whether there is a board for it or not.
I may be old, but I am certainly not confused.
I may be old, but if that is you in your avatar, you should be embarrassed to put it up because my old body is a better body then yours.
I may be old, but I have more of a following then you have here.
I may be old, but with less than 240 posts to my more than 4,200, you are a mere child on Getbig....which just goes to prove my point.
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So let me get this straight; because there is a board for gossip and opinion on Getbig, it makes idle, negative and sometimes hurtful gossip okay? You might think it is fine, but it still examples very immature behavior. Gossip is for people who have no life of their own worth living so they live vicariously through others, often through futile attempts to make themselves appear somehow better then their fellow man by denigrating others. Gossip is pathetic, regardless of whether there is a board for it or not.
I may be old, but I am certainly not confused.
I may be old, but if that is you in your avatar, you should be embarrassed to put it up because my old body is a better body then yours.
I may be old, but I have more of a following then you have here.
Then why are you posting on the GOSSIP AND OPINION board? Leave this board and go post on ironage or on the positive board.
The only following you have on here is by another confused homo in tbombz and by garebare (and we know how bad this fucking old pedofile is).
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Then why are you posting on the GOSSIP AND OPINION board? Leave this board and go post on ironage or on the positive board.
The only following you have on here is by another confused homo in tbombz and by garebare (and we know how bad this fucking old pedofile is).
Let us not compare these things because you lose on all accounts.
Incidentally, you have no reason concern yourself with my sexual preferences because if you were the last person on earth and my libido was raging, I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole. I don't know anyone on Getbig with the handle of garebare. tbombz kills you hands down with intellect and posts worth reading. You appear to be nothing but a loser who is a wannabe on Getbig. Bug off!
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Let us not compare these things because you lose on all accounts.
Incidentally, you have no reason concern yourself with my sexual preferences because if you were the last person on earth and I my libido was raging, I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole. I don't know anyone on Getbig with the handle of garebare. tbombz kills you hands down with intellect and post worth reading. You appear to be nothing but a loser who is a wannabe on Getbig. Bug off!
meltdown
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meltdown
::)
Clearly, you have no idea what a meltdown is. What are you, twelve years old?
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Sly, getting the fuck outta the mens room (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=257906.0;attach=299605;image)
Primo!
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Clearly, you have no idea what a meltdown is. What are you, twelve years old?
Meltdown.
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...Gossip is for people who have no life of their own worth living so they live vicariously through others...
...I may be old, but with less than 240 posts to my more than 4,200, you are a mere child on Getbig....which just goes to prove my point.
Ehr- the point being that you have lived much more vicariously than others?
NN
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Ah yes..early gh15 and his excellent English and reasonable responses.
Also, why do people mind if an old thread gets bumped? I never get that. Sometimes the older threads ate the best ones.
BTW I honestly think tom managed to be most obnoxious internet character in history.
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Here's one of the pics.
Chaingaing soldier ::)
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Ah yes..early gh15 and his excellent English and reasonable responses.
Also, why do people mind if an old thread gets bumped? I never get that. Sometimes the older threads ate the best ones.
BTW I honestly think tom managed to be most obnoxious internet character in history.
spot on
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More than a few Getbigger's remind me of a bunch of gossipy women at the beauty parlor, all talking shit about whoever doesn't happen to be there. I heard once that men were worse gossips then women....seems like that may be correct.
Nah, there's no way, honorable Prime. Women are ten times guiltier of gossip. They talk more in general and they're far more emotionally-driven than we are.
The thing is, though, everything I said about the man isn't idle gossip or hearsay. I saw him spew garbage all over Chad Nicholls' forums for months, maybe over a year. He really was an arrogant, lying bully. I despise bullies, especially in grown, allegedly educated men who should know better.
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I remember Tom saying that he would see some "tough guy" in the gym doing lat pulldowns and to show him up would ask to work in and then do triceps pushdowns with heavier weight to make the dude look like shit. Guy was a total douchebag.
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Whenever I hear someone say drugs are just 5 to 10% my head spins. Seriously, how many example does anyone need of guys that go completely off drugs to see how much of a factor it is? I think drug users just want all the credit. Deep down they know how bad they would look without it.
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Whenever I hear someone say drugs are just 5 to 10% my head spins. Seriously, how many example does anyone need of guys that go completely off drugs to see how much of a factor it is? I think drug users just want all the credit. Deep down they know how bad they would look without it.
Tom Prince is one of the worst in this regard. I remember well how he bragged about how big and strong he was natural. Look at him now.
NN
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Good for him. Bodybuilding is a mental illness.
And what brings you here?
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Tom Prince is one of the worst in this regard. I remember well how he bragged about how big and strong he was natural. Look at him now.
NN
He claimed beeing 240 with abs before starting to juice. ADVIL destroyed his kidneys ::).
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I know Tom still reads/ posts on this board.
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Ehr- the point being that you have lived much more vicariously than others?
NN
Do you know the definition of vicarious? You should look it up before you ask stupid questions.
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Nah, there's no way, honorable Prime. Women are ten times guiltier of gossip. They talk more in general and they're far more emotionally-driven than we are.
The thing is, though, everything I said about the man isn't idle gossip or hearsay. I saw him spew garbage all over Chad Nicholls' forums for months, maybe over a year. He really was an arrogant, lying bully. I despise bullies, especially in grown, allegedly educated men who should know better.
There was no intention on my part to discredit others experiences with Tom Prince. I am a firm believer that where there is smoke there is fire. I have little doubt that Tom was an asshole at some point in his life. If you have personal experience with this, you probably have some reason to gossip about him today.
A study has found that men spend an average 76 minutes a day tittle-tattling with their friends or work colleagues, compared to just 52 minutes for women.
Favourite topics include the antics of drunken friends, old school friends, and the most attractive girl at work.
Whereas women are more likely to complain about other women, other people's sex lives or their friend's weight gain.
The poll of 5,000 people was conducted by global research company www.onepoll.com
It found the office is the preferred place for men to exchange gossip, whereas women prefer to confide in their friends from the comfort of their own home.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5082866/Men-spend-more-time-gossiping-than-women-poll-finds.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5082866/Men-spend-more-time-gossiping-than-women-poll-finds.html)
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Tom Prince was big back in the day.
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Also, why do people mind if an old thread gets bumped? I never get that. Sometimes the older threads ate the best ones.
agreed 10x
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agreed 10x
Bump.
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(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/977829358.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maq3snlQQQ1ruk8bao1_400.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/161/images/Tom_Prince_59.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15r0bCMCU1qjz6zwo1_500.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_megs27ABj51r86ax8o1_500.jpg)
(http://forum.spam.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1317&stc=1&d=1095597409)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=287654.0;attach=327600;image)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15sa5EjUf1qjz6zwo1_500.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=241412.0;attach=281606;image)
(http://oi49.tinypic.com/10gd340.jpg)
(http://www.3rbpic.com/sports/Body%20building/Tom%20Prince%20(17).jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=241412.0;attach=281637;image)
(http://builtreport.com/tom_prince/tom_prince_004.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding-pics.com/161/images/Tom_Prince_72.jpg)
Massive he was.
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Enjoy!
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Hi Tom. How is the skate boarding going?
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Better to have a brief career as a thong warrior and have your liver fall out than live a long and healthy life as Clark Kent.
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Better to have a brief career as a thong warrior and have your liver fall out than live a long and healthy life as Clark Kent.
Not every juice monkey ends up like that. It's depends on your luck.... Tom Prince took a bet, and lost.
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Not every juice monkey ends up like that. It's depends on your luck.... Tom Prince took a bet, and lost.
Bro...
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Bro...
My nikka
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Tom had big hamstrings as I recall.
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(https://64.media.tumblr.com/67feb6d787ad0471b31d025c79cd5d15/f3c49b498100f190-25/s540x810/b4c7b69bf2ad4a31defa63c5a7b97eea8282b2d2.png)
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Mass with Class
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Mass with Class
Not really. He's too short for his size. Looks goofy in normal everyday life.
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Not really. He's too short for his size. Looks goofy in normal everyday life.
Once these guys get past 220 or so they all start to look goofy. Mike Christian, Berry DeMay, Bob Paris were all like 6'1" and 220-225. That's about as big as you can get before you start looking goofy.
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My nikka
Lmfao
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From hair to hairless in 5 years.
Fantastic physique in '96. Looks better than current Olympia competitors.
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Everything was going perfectly until Advil destroyed his bodybuilding dreams.
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Better to have a brief career as a thong warrior and have your liver fall out than live a long and healthy life as Clark Kent.
Don't bet on it. 🤣
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All Joking aside, Tom was a true mass monster, great physique
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All Joking aside, Tom was a true mass monster, great physique
Bro...Tom has a very small cock.
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Bro...Tom has a very small cock.
So? and btw that's private, I didn't need to know that
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(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/two-brown-crumpled-paper-bag-concept-design-two-crumpled-paper-bag-117132976.jpg)
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"WHATS IN THE BAG?"........TOM PRINCE IS IN THE BAG.
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Enjoy!
Man this sport is ghey. Watched a bit of that and would be embarrassed to explain to my wife why I’m watching a dude hike underwear up his ass crack.
Anyways, he looked best in 1996. Bloofy and big waisted in 2002. These guys are too short to pack on that much weight.
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All the guys were natural back then.
Too bad everyone had to up the dose in the last 10 months.
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I prefer to be natty, just hard work, dedication
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXvYnO_XQAEDJ7g.jpg:small).
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Bro...Tom has a very small cock.
Man this sport is ghey. Watched a bit of that and would be embarrassed to explain to my wife why I’m watching a dude hike underwear up his ass crack.
Anyways, he looked best in 1996. Bloofy and big waisted in 2002. These guys are too short to pack on that much weight.
Lmao ;D
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From hair to hairless in 5 years.
Fantastic physique in '96. Looks better than current Olympia competitors.
x2.
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Someone aptly described Tom as a "little big man," by which they meant he had huge joints but was not tall, with somewhat stubby arms and legs. (I was gonna say appendiges, but that's just too easy ;) .)
No one can deny that Tom was stupid big in his prime. Just the same, in spite of all his talk about his MA, the man never struck me as smart. For an English major holding a Master's degree, he wrote like dogshit. Couple that with his utterly ridiculous decision to use BBing drugs AFTER the jerk *knew* he needed replacement organs, AND his blathering about "natties sit at the little kid's table," I lost any semblance of empathy for that jackass.
Fuck him.
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What is he doing now? Happy and healthy? Does he now think it was all worth it?
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Someone aptly described Tom as a "little big man," by which they meant he had huge joints but was not tall, with somewhat stubby arms and legs. (I was gonna say appendiges, but that's just too easy ;) .)
No one can deny that Tom was stupid big in his prime. Just the same, in spite of all his talk about his MA, the man never struck me as smart. For an English major holding a Master's degree, he wrote like dogshit. Couple that with his utterly ridiculous decision to use BBing drugs AFTER the jerk *knew* he needed replacement organs, AND his blathering about "natties sit at the little kid's table," I lost any semblance of empathy for that jackass.
Fuck him.
So harsh.
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What is he doing now? Happy and healthy? Does he now think it was all worth it?
;D. ;D
;D. ;D
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was no craig titus... looked alright in 96, tho – a better time
(https://www.muscleandfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/4070.jpg)
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Tom has got "drumstick" fingers in the bottom recent video. I think he has some serious arthritis or gout.
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I still laugh about the getbigger who was reading a thread w the infamous Tom Prince Colt photo and his dad walked in and right back out, without saying a word ;D
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Tom has got "drumstick" fingers in the bottom recent video. I think he has some serious arthritis or gout.
What’s the point of looking swole for a couple years if this is where it leads you? Does he have a happy home? Relationship? Career/income? Health? :'(
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What’s the point of looking swole for a couple years if this is where it leads you? Does he have a happy home? Relationship? Career/income? Health? :'(
They think the huge muscles attract all that other success.
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Some people I know look back on the wild times of their younger years with fond, even excited memories. TP has a good marriage and my guess there is some of that going on.
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The guy loved a bit of cock, loved his Ibuprofen and loved bodybuilding.
No regrets, no looking back, just living the life one inch at a time...
:D
This posting is © by
Dan Duchaine, 2006
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5’7” and 180lbs. ::)
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Once these guys get past 220 or so they all start to look goofy. Mike Christian, Berry DeMay, Bob Paris were all like 6'1" and 220-225. That's about as big as you can get before you start looking goofy.
Bigorexia is real?
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So harsh.
Bullshit. He was a real jerk when he was all juiced up, at least when he was blithering about online. He bragged incessantly about his supposed grad degree in English, yet his grammar was rubbish.
The guy is a prick, pure and simple. He had a major health scare, advertised as much in FLEX magazine, then stupidly decided to do drugs and another show. People called him out on it, and Tom had a complete meltdown.
Fuck him.
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Bullshit. He was a real jerk when he was all juiced up, at least when he was blithering about online. He bragged incessantly about his supposed grad degree in English, yet his grammar was rubbish.
The guy is a prick, pure and simple. He had a major health scare, advertised as much in FLEX magazine, then stupidly decided to do drugs and another show. People called him out on it, and Tom had a complete meltdown.
Fuck him.
Word!
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Bullshit. He was a real jerk when he was all juiced up, at least when he was blithering about online. He bragged incessantly about his supposed grad degree in English, yet his grammar was rubbish.
The guy is a prick, pure and simple. He had a major health scare, advertised as much in FLEX magazine, then stupidly decided to do drugs and another show. People called him out on it, and Tom had a complete meltdown.
Fuck him.
Definitely thought of himself as a hifelutin genius of sorts..
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Bullshit. He was a real jerk when he was all juiced up, at least when he was blithering about online. He bragged incessantly about his supposed grad degree in English, yet his grammar was rubbish.
The guy is a prick, pure and simple. He had a major health scare, advertised as much in FLEX magazine, then stupidly decided to do drugs and another show. People called him out on it, and Tom had a complete meltdown.
Fuck him.
It takes a genius to get a grad degree in a language you were raised your whole life in. :-\
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It takes a genius to get a grad degree in a language you were raised your whole life in. :-\
:o
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The man stood in 2 brown paper shopping bags in the upstairs bathroom of Golds, Venice and let a paying schmoe suck his cock and balls. Nothing more to be said.
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He will outlive Ronnie and Flex Wheeler.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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5’7” and 180lbs. ::)
He’s 150/160 max
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The man stood in 2 brown paper shopping bags in the upstairs bathroom of Golds, Venice and let a paying schmoe suck his cock and balls. Nothing more to be said.
But then he was laughing his way to the bank ...
was that a Successful G4P ? or just rumors
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Bullshit. He was a real jerk when he was all juiced up, at least when he was blithering about online. He bragged incessantly about his supposed grad degree in English, yet his grammar was rubbish.
The guy is a prick, pure and simple. He had a major health scare, advertised as much in FLEX magazine, then stupidly decided to do drugs and another show. People called him out on it, and Tom had a complete meltdown.
Fuck him.
Sounds like Flex Wheeler to me .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHH Shaboommmmmm
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It takes a genius to get a grad degree in a language you were raised your whole life in. :-\
Well, in all fairness, and speaking as an assclown with a BA and MA in English myself, the concentrations vary, but it's typically between a literature focus or linguistics. It's *much* more involved than just learning to speak and write in our native language; it entails things like dissecting literature, such that you can teach others how to break that shit down to fully understand what an author is trying to relate to the reader, etc.
Just to give you an example, consider Orwell's _Animal Farm_. It's a thinly veiled story about the history of the nascent USSR. English instructors will have students read material like that and encourage them to look for such deeper meaning. Sometimes it's transparent; others, not so much.
But another key duty to any English teacher is, well, to teach how to write *well*. That's not as easy as it sounds!
Take a Matt C. post...he typically repeats himself many times over. Others will try to multiply their adjectives to extreme degrees and/or use fifty words when ten would communicate the same information just as thoroughly. What works better: "Jesus wept," or "The man known as Jesus was so upset that he cried"?
The former, obviously.
All that said, Prince might've earned his MA, but I don't give a flip. When he was gassed, he was a royal prick online. I don't wish further illness on him, but the day I pity him is the day I'm stiff in a cheap casket.
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The man stood in 2 brown paper shopping bags in the upstairs bathroom of Golds, Venice and let a paying schmoe suck his cock and balls. Nothing more to be said.
Maybe he had or was afraid of contracting plantar warts?
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But then he was laughing his way to the bank ...
was that a Successful G4P ? or just rumors
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
He made a fortune letting people defile him.
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Tom was so high back then from the bain, he wouldn't have known what day it was. Guy was like an angry zombie in the gym. Wasn't on his own either, weird time in bodybuilding history with a lot of guys shooting their veins more their muscles. Duchaine final gift to bodybuilding turning a generation of them into junkies like himself rather than bodybuilders.
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He reportedly made $3,000 for the Colt stuff, that's about $5,000 now. That was back when being in Colt magazine meant something. I wonder if the janitor ever recovered from finding Tom bagged up. I'd like to think there's some old guy on a Spanish forum recounting his days at Gold's recalling that "Tom Prince es major maricon....".
He really was an asshole during his Muscle Mayhem days, he seems better now.
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Well, in all fairness, and speaking as an assclown with a BA and MA in English myself, the concentrations vary, but it's typically between a literature focus or linguistics. It's *much* more involved than just learning to speak and write in our native language; it entails things like dissecting literature, such that you can teach others how to break that shit down to fully understand what an author is trying to relate to the reader, etc.
Just to give you an example, consider Orwell's _Animal Farm_. It's a thinly veiled story about the history of the nascent USSR. English instructors will have students read material like that and encourage them to look for such deeper meaning. Sometimes it's transparent; others, not so much.
But another key duty to any English teacher is, well, to teach how to write *well*. That's not as easy as it sounds!
Take a Matt C. post...he typically repeats himself many times over. Others will try to multiply their adjectives to extreme degrees and/or use fifty words when ten would communicate the same information just as thoroughly. What works better: "Jesus wept," or "The man known as Jesus was so upset that he cried"?
The former, obviously.
All that said, Prince might've earned his MA, but I don't give a flip. When he was gassed, he was a royal prick online. I don't wish further illness on him, but the day I pity him is the day I'm stiff in a cheap casket.
STEM degrees are 100X harder to get.
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Would you (a straight guy) pose in a national publication for gay men for the same money? ???
No, but compared to some of the deals I've heard used to get these guys, that one at least had 4 figures in it :-\ :).
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All meat....no potatoes.
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All meat....no potatoes.
In that one pic, there's lots of dynamite and a.... short fuse.
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All meat....no potatoes.
wee little discount sausage roll, five in a bag, get em while they're hot!!
:o
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back when being in Colt magazine meant something
to who?
AIDS researchers?
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Maybe he had or was afraid of contracting plantar warts?
Could be. Or possibly athletes foot?
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I know, right? I think it meant you were a whore for gay men. ::)
Hi chocolate covered cock quaffer ;)
I'd do a bit of "hands off" posing for a few grand.
However, the type of shenanigans engaged in by Tom Prince or a Derek Anthony et al are clearly G4P sex work.
The shitstained oily hands, so covered in feces and baby oil are what killed Derek, and it's undoubtedly the case that Tom has had many a case of bowel worms over the years. Fellas so in need of cash, they subsequently spent many a night on the toilet pondering their place in the universe as greasy diahorea, regret and giadarsis poured forth from their aching assholes.
Ones reputation isn't coming back from that
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All meat....no potatoes.
All that jelly and no toast
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All that jelly and no toast
The big muscles actually make the frank and beans look smaller.
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Would you (a straight guy) pose in a national publication for gay men for the same money? ???
Hahahaha I cant see that second picture without laughing
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Hahahaha I cant see that second picture without laughing
Because it’s laughable! He is trying to style himself as some hetero alpha muscle man… and the way you do that is by positioning yourself as a whore to gay men? If your wife was clueless before can she still be in denial after that? How does that conversation go?
“Honey why are so many gay men hitting on you or leaving notes propositioning you? This is not good for our marriage.”
“Well, dear, remember when I went away that weekend for a photoshoot? It wasn’t for a bodybuilding magazine. It was for Colt magazine. Their audience is gay men. So all their readers now think I’m a whore and want to have sex.”
“What? Why would you pose in a venue like that? Are you gay? Did it occur to you that your wife would have a problem with that?”
“I am sorry, honey. No I am not gay… but I needed the money and couldn’t think of another way to earn it. It’s not as if I had any dignity to lose. Now that I am coming clean, there are a few other things you should know…. There are other things I do to make money… roids… after parties… Joe Weider….”
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The big muscles actually make the frank and beans look smaller.
LMAO