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Body Builder Sues Nutrition Company For Fraud
(CBS) LOS ANGELES A professional body builder is suing a nutrition company for allegedly using his image on its products without permission, according to court documents obtained Friday.
Jay Cutler is alleging misappropriation of image and likeness of NDS Nutritional Products Inc. for invasion of privacy and unjust enrichment. He is seeking unspecified general, special and punitive damages.
He filed his lawsuit in California because NDS Nutritional Products does regular business in the state, selling such offerings as "Explosive Stack," "Elite Sports Line," "Evolve XL" and "Omega Cuts," according to his court papers.
NDS used an image of a photograph of Cutler taken at a bodybuilding contest and placed it on its products without paying him or getting his permission, the lawsuit alleges.
The image is cropped and has lightening bolts over it, but the person is indisputably Cutler, according to his lawsuit.
"The image is readily identifiable as being an image of (Cutler)," the lawsuit states.
Cutler has granted a license to use his image to a number of bodybuilding-related companies, including Muscletech, according to the suit, which says he has "created a lucrative business out of selling products featuring his body, including videos, photographs, books and clothing."
Cutler has one of the most recognizable bodies in the world, according to his lawsuit.
He has won three straight Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic body builder contests and placed second for three consecutive years in the Mr. Olympia competition.
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SUED!
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I wonder if he has Kamali's Lawyer :-X
Hopefully not :-\
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Wow, can't believe NDS thought they could use his image and get away with it
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This is ABSOLUTELY true and it has been going on for a while now, I can't believe it just came out. The pic is from the 2003 Ironman and I saw it myself as I purchased the box from their website directly. These guys are SCREWED!!!!
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hahaha more power to Jay! 8)
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smack em, jay.
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The defense calls Jay Cutler to the stand!
"Mr. Cutler, have you ever used illegal steroids?"
"objection!"
"goes to credibility, your honor."
"overruled... the witness will answer"
"My answer might tend to incrininate me, so I take the fifth, your honor"
"Mr. Cutler, are you currently on illegal steroids?"
"Mr. Cutler, are you currently using any other illegal substances?"
"Mr. Cutler, have you ever sold steroids or any other illegal substances?"
"Mr. Cutler, are you aware of prostitution or other illegal sexually-related offenses occurring in or around the IFBB and the bodybuilding industry?"
"Mr. Cutler, would you characterize most of your fellow athletes as honest, law-abiding citizens?"
(After 20 more similar questions, all answered by the witness taking the fifth...)
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case".
;D
lol good point but he still wins. ;)
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Anyone got the product label pic?
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http://www.cbs2.com/local/local_story_188164413.html
(http://www.alexrykov.com/images/sexxxy.jpg)
ummm is that a little bit of a man crush on your part?
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lol good point but he still wins. ;)
Yeah, you're probably right. Supp company owners are so sleazy they make IFBB pros seem like boy scouts by comparison.
That would be a better strategy for defending 240 or any other message-board kid against a Kamali "libel suit". ;D
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I just called Jay in Louisiana to tell him that this just got posted and he said that it's pretty much over for these guys. It'll be a nice little chunk for Cuts. Good for you bud.
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I had the same problem in 2001 when I contacted the owner of this company to tell him that the person in the pic was me...he said "and".."take me to court". He never thought I was going to.
I took this company all the way to Federal court and won. I'm sure Jay will to.
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Anyone got the product label pic?
Yes.
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post it
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Nice going NDS!
Monster unauthorized use of an athlete's image.
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Excellent. Bankrupting a business that probably wasn't even generating any profit to begin with. Good work Jay. :P
If the guy's smart, he will have set up the company as an LLC, with either no assets, or any assets stripped of all equity by being mortgaged top-to-bottom. Even the product trademarks should be held by another entity and leased back, so as soon as he loses in court, he can Chapter 7 the whole thing and be set back up free and clear by next week.
Winning a judgement is one thing, collecting is another. ;)
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If the guy's smart, he will have set up the company as an LLC, with either no assets, or any assets stripped of all equity by being mortgaged top-to-bottom. Even the product trademarks should be held by another entity and leased back, so as soon as he loses in court, he can Chapter 7 the whole thing and be set back up free and clear by next week.
Winning a judgement is one thing, collecting is another. ;)
That's what happened in my case the owner dod the same thing. It was uncovered and the jury still slapped him.
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You collect from the insurance policy they are holding.
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Now that's a rightful lawsuit.
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Cutler is doing what he has to do, protecting his image. gotta respect that. thing is he won't see a dime. company will fold. there's a good chance they thought this could happen and have somewhat prepaired for it. jay will get his image removed, that's it.
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wtf 80$ for a 4 pound jug of protein this company should be sued on that alone >:(
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The company will have a few more years. The civil court system is very slow moving. Secondly they just shut down and start up under a different name. I love corp. law!!!!
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The company will have a few more years. The civil court system is very slow moving. Secondly they just shut down and start up under a different name. I love corp. law!!!!
Exactly. There won't be any assets at the end of the line, and all Jay will get for his trouble is legal bills.
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whatever ::)
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I have the owners (2) names, addresses and phone numbers at work, shall i post it and thus many let the two leaders of this company know what they think?
Their products are sold in GNC Franchise stores and over radio ads besides the Net.
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i remeber seeing those ads a while back in muscle magazines. i would see it and think "huh, i thought jay is sponsered by muscletech?". well now the truth comes out
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I have the owners (2) names, addresses and phone numbers at work, shall i post it and thus many let the two leaders of this company know what they think?
Their products are sold in GNC Franchise stores and over radio ads besides the Net.
I couldn't care less whose pictures they use. Neither could anyone else except the "blue stars". ::)
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Cutler is doing what he has to do, protecting his image. gotta respect that. thing is he won't see a dime. company will fold. there's a good chance they thought this could happen and have somewhat prepaired for it. jay will get his image removed, that's it.
ding-ding-ding. We have a winner.
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I couldn't care less whose pictures they use. Neither could anyone else except the "blue stars". ::)
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Ha probably the biggest pay day a bodybuilder will ever have
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You collect from the insurance policy they are holding.
I am very familiar with the company. It is highly unlikely that they have an insurance policy that extends beyond General Product Liability. That policy won't cover that type of claim, only damages caused by use of the product, not misrepresentations of the product by the company (such as an illegal use of an image to market the product).
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The company will have a few more years. The civil court system is very slow moving. Secondly they just shut down and start up under a different name. I love corp. law!!!!
If Jay is able to get a "Cease and Desist" order from the court, they will have to pull all of the product with the contested image. This will cause the company major damage. They are sold exclusively at GNC stores. Corporate GNC will probably not allow them to bring the product back until after the lawsuit, regardless of whether they create new labels or not. This company is already having "issues" with Corporate GNC, so this could be devastating.
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GNC: Monster not doing your research!
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any legal experts out there? What kinda $$ is Cutler going to take away from all of this?
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any legal experts out there? What kinda $$ is Cutler going to take away from all of this?
It will probably be a percentage of sales of the products with his image on them.
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Excellent. Bankrupting a business that probably wasn't even generating any profit to begin with. Good work Jay. :P
You are kidding right? Is he supposed to just let whomever just his image for free?
Here' s the pic of the box.
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You are kidding right? Is he supposed to just let whomever just his image for free?
Here' s the pic of the box.
Thanks for the update Max! Jay hasn't posted here in a while, what's the deal? He hasn't posted at Mayhem either.
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Jimmy,
What company did that to you?
SE
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You got it. He has posted on Mayhem a few times but right now, he's deep into his prep.
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You got it. He has posted on Mayhem a few times but right now, he's deep into his prep.
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Better watch it 240, he may sue you next ;D
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Better watch it 240, he may sue you next ;D
are you and the wifey back from the movies already? Shouldn't you be laying the pipe? she just spent the last 2 hours ogling johnny depp and you're back on getbig? dude, priorities!
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There was a line all the way around the building at two different theatres at 10pm!
We're goin' back tomorrow.
How could I ever compare with Johnny Depp.
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How could I ever compare with Johnny Depp.
You both have spent time in shawn ray's bedroom. that should mean something.
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You are kidding right? Is he supposed to just let whomever just his image for free?
Here' s the pic of the box.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82846.0;attach=88782;image)
What a frickin' whiner... his face or name isn't even on there, it's just his chect and arms... it could be anyone. I assumed it has a full picture of him. To say that company is "trading on Jay's reputation" isn't exactly accurate. ::)
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You both have spent time in shawn ray's bedroom. that should mean something.
That's just wrong.
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If that box pic is the issue then it's unlikely there's much of a claim. You know the company will come back with some excuse how they got the rights to the pic as it's unlikely they would eggregiously violate his trademark. I'm sure GNC demands indemnity and that they be additionally insured so no big dollars from them. The insurance companys will hammer out some settlement and I'd doubt he can expect any huge payday. I've never even heard of that company so how much biz could they be doing..
I heard that they did somewhere in the area of $16 million last year.
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That's just wrong.
Sorry, you're right.
I just hit Depp on the nextel. He says it was just you in there. He was in the bathroom sick from the vyotech roofies hors'dourves that shawn served upon your arrival.
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What a frickin' whiner... his face or name isn't even on there, it's just his chect and arms... it could be anyone. I assumed it has a full picture of him. To say that company is "trading on Jay's reputation" isn't exactly accurate. ::)
They're obviously using his image to sell the product. His image makes up 50% of the box.
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They're obviously using his image to sell the product. His image makes up 50% of the box.
Woulda been 40%, if they had used the BDB shot instead.
that lawsuit will be the only thing jay'll win anytime soon.
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Sorry, you're right.
I just hit Depp on the nextel. He says it was just you in there. He was in the bathroom sick from the vyotech roofies hors'dourves that shawn served upon your arrival.
Johnny is always talkin' smack. You can never get the truth out of him.
Shawn told me that you and Johnny were naked outside of his bedroom window beggin' to get in.
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They're obviously using his image to sell the product. His image makes up 50% of the box.
Unless you spend hours staring at Jay's image in the mags or something, how the hell would you even know it's him? To most people the image says "generic muscle torso", not "Jay Cutler". ::)
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Woulda been 40%, if they had used the BDB shot instead.
that lawsuit will be the only thing jay'll win anytime soon.
You're on fire tonight.
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Johnny is always talkin' smack. You can never get the truth out of him.
Shawn told me that you and Johnny were naked outside of his bedroom window beggin' to get in.
Hey man, you're the one bragging about him buying you breakfasts. Dude charges his own children babysitting fees. If he's buying you pancakes and Denny's, we can assume there's a little bit o' bottombitching going on.
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Hey man, you're the one bragging about him buying you breakfasts. Dude charges his own children babysitting fees. If he's buying you pancakes and Denny's, we can assume there's a little bit o' bottombitching going on.
I think Shawn's been getting a bum rap. He really is a generous guy.
I think this all stems from the "old" Shawn's reputation.
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I think this all stems from the "old" Shawn's reputation.
The fact that he's 43 really has nothing to do with anything.
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reminds me of when Arnold sued a car company for illegally using his image a few years back. I think he got 10 million for it
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Woulda been 40%, if they had used the BDB shot instead.
that lawsuit will be the only thing jay'll win anytime soon.
Talking shit about another pro...eh
And you wonder why so many people want to beat you ass....
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Excellent. Bankrupting a business that probably wasn't even generating any profit to begin with. Good work Jay. :P
The criminally weak should not be allowed to survive.
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I've never even heard of that company so how much biz could they be doing..
I'd never heard of them before either.
Powder companies love publicity - maybe they already paid him...to sue them so that they can get some free national advertising out of the deal.
If this is legit, though, how low-budget must their operation be such that they couldn't even spare $1500 to pay a model to pose for their box?
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I'd never heard of them before either.
Powder companies love publicity - maybe they already paid him...to sue them so that they can get some free national advertising out of the deal.
If this is legit, though, how low-budget must their operation be such that they couldn't even spare $1500 to pay a model to pose for their box?
That's a good point. If there are 100 people in the country who could identify Cutler from that photo, I'd be surprised. It's like "Guess Who's Bodypart" from the old Musclemags.
So, like you said, why not just pay some Jr. USA or National contender a few bucks for some torso shots?
Special "Well Said" Ed
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Woulda been 40%, if they had used the BDB shot instead.
that lawsuit will be the only thing jay'll win anytime soon.
dayum you are back to dissing another pro? when jay was posting on here you didnt say none of this shyt. and you wonder why pros, or getbig members on here dislike you
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dayum you are back to dissing another pro? when jay was posting on here you didnt say none of this shyt. and you wonder why pros, or getbig members on here dislike you
You're pissed about a slight pun about his front poses being better than his rear poses?
What a pussy.
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You're pissed about a slight pun about his front poses being better than his rear poses?
What a pussy.
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You're pissed about a slight pun about his front poses being better than his rear poses?
What a pussy.
nah, i think that he's - as are over 90% of the members - pissed at you because youre a fat twat with ZERO chance of contributing any kind of physical input to bodybuilding and you constantly slag off and attempt to humiliate people who have won more in 1 year than you will if you lived youre whole life over again. Who the fuk are you to say Jay Cutler wont win anything, hes a fucking great champion with more tiles than you have pissly little websites. Youre nothing, a no mark who thinks he has a celebrity status. You lack any kind of humour, talent or attributes which would make you beneficial to mankind. Go jump in front of a fucking train you prick and do us all a favour. Fat girl
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Ouch! LOL!!
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nah, i think that he's - as are over 90% of the members - pissed at you because youre a fat twat with ZERO chance of contributing any kind of physical input to bodybuilding and you constantly slag off and attempt to humiliate people who have won more in 1 year than you will if you lived youre whole life over again. Who the f**k are you to say Jay Cutler wont win anything, hes a fucking great champion with more tiles than you have pissly little websites. Youre nothing, a no mark who thinks he has a celebrity status. You lack any kind of humour, talent or attributes which would make you beneficial to mankind. Go jump in front of a fucking train you prick and do us all a favour. Fat pussy
Yawn. We all know Ronnie will win the O with one tricep this year.
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yes he will, he'll win it til the day he retires. But whats our point? Yawn! Youre a fucking idiot, there is more than 1 contest a year. Jay has 8 pro wins to his name and more to come. Hell Chic is the Masters champion, took a solid 2nd in the NOC to Markus and he gets zero credit. Doesnt matter how he won it, the fact is he was the winner and all you can do is make silly little comments at his expense. Shawn ray is a living legend in the sport who attained a physique that was flawless and you bring up his personal life every chance you get - which has FUCK ALL to do with you! I would fucking LOVE to see you face to face with any pro you talk shit about, Chic and TP would rip you to pieces if they stopped laughing at you pissing yourself in fear.
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Chick is a clown:
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yes he will, he'll win it til the day he retires. But whats our point? Yawn! Youre a fucking idiot, there is more than 1 contest a year. Jay has 8 pro wins to his name and more to come. Hell Chic is the Masters champion, took a solid 2nd in the NOC to Markus and he gets zero credit. Doesnt matter how he won it, the fact is he was the winner and all you can do is make silly little comments at his expense. Shawn ray is a living legend in the sport who attained a physique that was flawless and you bring up his personal life every chance you get - which has f**k ALL to do with you! I would fucking LOVE to see you face to face with any pro you talk shit about, Chic and TP would rip you to pieces if they stopped laughing at you pissing yourself in fear.
you piss on me but won't touch my arguments. brilliant!
i said jay will not win any shows this year. show me where i'm wrong.
i implied jay's back is 20% worse than his front. tell me where i'm wrong.
chic insulted fans who didn't buy from bbing.com or attend shows in person.
shawn ray is a terrific Bber who made classeless threats and behaved very un-christianlike after preaching to the world, and he worked with the DEA.
attack my arguments, hotshot. it's easy to stay anonymous and take shots at me. any douchebag can do that. but you avoid my arguments, because they are often valid. you are a predictable fanboy who gasps anytime anyone treats your "living legend" heroes.
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you said the lawsuit is the only thing Jay will win anytime soon, so are you a fucking psychic now? the only man who beats Jay is Ronnie, theres no contesting that. Jay isnt going to limit himself to the Olympia, so its easy to see him winning the next competition that doesnt involve Ronnie.
Chic is the athletes rep, and a guy who stands up for his friends when he needs to. So what if he insulted fans because they didnt attend or whatever, you take things like that with a pinch of salt. What right do you have to constantly take the piss out of someone who, in a direct comparison to YOU, is a success story that cant be matched.
And as for Shawn, he has a strong faith which he lives by even if he isnt as committed as the fucking Pope himself. If he worked with the DEA then it was for a reason, people are wanting credit in the sport arent they? Then get rid of the girls who supply the drugs once and for all. You cant have it both ways, and he was the only person who came forward with enough balls to stand up and take charge from the athletes side. His threats are just that, no doubt a retaliation to provocation that dickheads like yourself throw at him constantly.He is aman you will never be, hell youll never even be close to being the man he is.
Dont get me wrong, im not bashing you out of blind loyalty to these pros. Theyre grown men and they can stand up for themselves just fine. Im just FUCKING SICK TO DEATH of you trying to be a funny girl at everyone elses expense. You are a sad twat, get a fucking life outside of this board
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you said the lawsuit is the only thing Jay will win anytime soon, so are you a fucking psychic now? the only man who beats Jay is Ronnie, theres no contesting that. Jay isnt going to limit himself to the Olympia, so its easy to see him winning the next competition that doesnt involve Ronnie.
Incorrect. Jay does no other show since spring 04 and has no other plans to do any show that isn't the O.
Please tell me what contest not called the Olympia that Jay will be doing next?
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Chic is the athletes rep, and a guy who stands up for his friends when he needs to. So what if he insulted fans because they didnt attend or whatever, you take things like that with a pinch of salt. What right do you have to constantly take the piss out of someone who, in a direct comparison to YOU, is a success story that cant be matched.
So what, if Bob Chic the athletes Rep insults fans?
We still have to respect him, even though he insults us? What kind of sheep are you?
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And as for Shawn, he has a strong faith which he lives by even if he isnt as committed as the fucking Pope himself. If he worked with the DEA then it was for a reason, people are wanting credit in the sport arent they? Then get rid of the girls who supply the drugs once and for all. You cant have it both ways, and he was the only person who came forward with enough balls to stand up and take charge from the athletes side. His threats are just that, no doubt a retaliation to provocation that dickheads like yourself throw at him constantly.He is aman you will never be, hell youll never even be close to being the man he is.
Shawn preaches, then insults people for being poor. What is that?
Shawn, who used drugs for all his BBing success, ratted on Milos and DJ- milos made that clear.
"Getting rid of the cnuts that supply drugs?" - THAT was shawn's goal? LMAO...
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Dont get me wrong, im not bashing you out of blind loyalty to these pros. Theyre grown men and they can stand up for themselves just fine. Im just FUCKING SICK TO DEATH of you trying to be a funny pussy at everyone elses expense. You are a sad twat, get a fucking life outside of this board
I respect that, and I had what, 2 lines in this whole thread, until you made several paragraphs calling me names, which resulted in my posting a lot more.
if you're "FUCKING SICK TO DEATH" of seeing my posts, why ASK for long posts by attacking me personally with insults and foul language? I am so tired of idiots complaining I post too much, who happen to be the same people who attack me nonstop to instigate half my posts. STFU already, and I'll post less.
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2 lines in this thread maybe, but what about every other thread you hijack with your insults? I never said anything about respecting Chic, i said respect his achievements. Take his rants with a pinch of salt then let it go. If im not mistaken, Shawn was natural until he turned pro wasnt he? So even before he juiced he was a success. Name a single BBer in pro history that was a lifetime natural.
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I never said anything about respecting Chic, i said respect his achievements.
What achievments? Being given a pro card after 20 years of trying because the NPC judges were sick of looking at him? "Winning" the BB.com Master's Pro? Being Jim Manion's personal valet the IFBB Athlete's rep? ::)
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I respect that, and I had what, 2 lines in this whole thread, until you made several paragraphs calling me names, which resulted in my posting a lot more.
if you're "FUCKING SICK TO DEATH" of seeing my posts, why ASK for long posts by attacking me personally with insults and foul language? I am so tired of idiots complaining I post too much, who happen to be the same people who attack me nonstop to instigate half my posts. STFU already, and I'll post less.
kill yourself
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2 lines in this thread maybe, but what about every other thread you hijack with your insults? I never said anything about respecting Chic, i said respect his achievements. Take his rants with a pinch of salt then let it go. If im not mistaken, Shawn was natural until he turned pro wasnt he? So even before he juiced he was a success. Name a single BBer in pro history that was a lifetime natural.
Chic is a 3rd tier BBer. he's never won anything except a very controversial masters pro, a show invented this year. And you'll see I don't shit on him for his stage prowess- it's for his lying, insulting, belittling statements on the boards.
And I don't criticize shawn for using gear- i criticize him for inviting the DEA into his home for lemonade and helping the case against DJ and Milos. Shawn talks religion, then insults the poor, **** **** **** marriage, and attempts to embarass ppl- is that Christian-like behavior?
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you'll see I don't shit on him for his stage prowess
Or lack thereof.
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why would anybody care what this guy thinks
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Why do you have a naked pic of 240 saved on your hard drive?
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Why do you have a naked pic of 240 saved on your hard drive?
i dont i got it from another thread, but why are you hugged up on his nuts. either you are 240 , his brother, or a boyfriend of his
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that was 3 years ago, before i discovered the love that can exist between a man and his razor.
sgt, you're 45, low level military employee and you couldn't spell your way out of a bob chic argument. not a lot of ground to stand upon.
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why are you hugged up on his nuts.
I'm not. We're both message-board trolls with common "targets". Believe me, when 240 himself starts heading down the "meltdown" path, I'm one of the first to start tossing spears in his direction.
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that was 3 years ago, before i discovered the love that can exist between a man and his razor.
sgt, you're 45, low level military employee and you couldn't spell your way out of a bob chic argument. not a lot of ground to stand upon.
who cares if it was 3 years ago or yesterday, you posted your pathetic nude pics in your shitty apartment on the internet for the whole world to see
"low level military employee"
being active duty making over 70,000 a year is "low level"? ::)
ummmmmm okay
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who cares if it was 3 years ago or yesterday, you posted your pathetic nude pics in your shitty apartment on the internet for the whole world to see
"low level military employee"
being active duty making over 70,000 a year is "low level"? ::)
ummmmmm okay
Since when do enlisted men in the military make that kind of cash? ::)
All you hear about on the news is how millitary families are forced to go on food stamps, etc, and you're claiming $70k? ::) ::)
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Since when do enlisted men in the military make that kind of cash? ::)
All you hear about on the news is how millitary families are forced to go on food stamps, etc, and you're claiming $70k? ::) ::)
okay your being an idiot, carry on with what you was doing
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who cares if it was 3 years ago or yesterday, you posted your pathetic nude pics in your shitty apartment on the internet for the whole world to see
"low level military employee"
being active duty making over 70,000 a year is "low level"? ::)
ummmmmm okay
I do think you are pathetic, and a horrible representative of the military. I also feel that at age 45, your $70k is nothing at all to brag about.
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okay your being an idiot, carry on with what you was doing
Translation = I have been lying and someone with military experience has caught me and I do not wish to be further exposed so I will now invite him to leave the argument.
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I do think you are pathetic, and a horrible representative of the military. I also feel that at age 45, your $70k is nothing at all to brag about.
yes your right it is nothing to brag about but it is surely more than your 10k a year. how can you live off of that? rob zircoolio i dont know how you make it man :'(
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Translation = I have been lying and someone with military experience has caught me and I do not wish to be further exposed so I will now invite him to leave the argument.
actually im not going to feed you and your gimmick accounts anymore of my time. on another note me and a couple of getbig members are going to send your nude pic to "everybody " in Florida including your family members, your handful of friends, gay community , etc
enjoy ;D
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brutally shameful behavior for a 45-year old man.
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All you hear about on the news is how military families are forced to go on food stamps...
That's generally due to poor financial management.
There are numerous examples of junior enlisted servicemen with wives and children attempting to live well beyond their means. They view $1200 every two weeks as 'real money' and often plunge themselves deep into heavy debt. If you're in the service, anyone will give you credit, but no one will teach you how to use it wisely until you already owe your soul to the company store.
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That's generally due to poor financial management.
There are numerous examples of junior enlisted servicemen with wives and children attempting to live well beyond their means. They view $1200 every two weeks as 'real money' and often plunge themselves deep into heavy debt. If you're in the service, anyone will give you credit, but no one will teach you how to use it wisely until you already owe your soul to the company store.
amen
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Jimmy,
What company did that to you?
SE
Phillip Pharmatec is CA. They also were under another name but in court this was the parent company.
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Making 70k a year you must either be a E-9 or an mid to high ranking officer. Judging from your maturity levels in your posts one would hope not. Senior NCOs and officers do not behave like this.
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you piss on me but won't touch my arguments. brilliant!
i said jay will not win any shows this year. show me where i'm wrong.
Ok.
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you piss on me but won't touch my arguments. brilliant!
i said jay will not win any shows this year. show me where i'm wrong.
i implied jay's back is 20% worse than his front. tell me where i'm wrong.
chic insulted fans who didn't buy from bbing.com or attend shows in person.
shawn ray is a terrific Bber who made classeless threats and behaved very un-christianlike after preaching to the world, and he worked with the DEA.
attack my arguments, hotshot. it's easy to stay anonymous and take shots at me. any douchebag can do that. but you avoid my arguments, because they are often valid. you are a predictable fanboy who gasps anytime anyone treats your "living legend" heroes.
If your going to start talking shit again...at least get your facts straight:
1. I never insulted fans who didn't buy their supps at BB.com....I questioned if YOU ever bought any products there, as you indicated you were a customer...I then proceeded to let you know that that Info could be obtained very easily to prove your claim, then you freaked....
2. I've always questioned anyone calling themselves a "fan" when they don't atend BB shows, buy the BB mags, buy BB related products, and do nothing but come here and insult pro BBers and anything to do with bodybuilding....
3. I figured it was only a matter of time before you relapsed back to your old self...
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If your going to start talking shit again...at least get your facts straight:
1. I never insulted fans who didn't buy their supps at BB.com....I questioned if YOU ever bought any products there, as you indicated you were a customer...I then proceeded to let you know that that Info could be obtained very easily to prove your claim, then you freaked....
2. I've always questioned anyone calling themselves a "fan" when they don't atend BB shows, buy the BB mags, buy BB related products, and do nothing but come here and insult pro BBers and anything to do with bodybuilding....
3. I figured it was only a matter of time before you relapsed back to your old self...
uh chick, he posted that last july in 06....lower your dose
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well, apparantly there's a mix up with the dates as half the posts (even the one's without quotes) are listed as JUly '06....and his post count is the same on every post.
Lower THIS!!