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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: New York on July 21, 2006, 06:50:16 PM
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What if.... Flex And Phil Heath both came out as rookie's this year, would Phil still be undefeated or will Flex be considered the new heir to the throne?
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What if my aunty had balls!
Would she be my uncle?
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Both guys had impressive rookie starts, and i think it would be closer than a lot of people think, but Flex would probably edge this one out!
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I like Phil but he can't hold a candle to Flex !
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I agree. A few guys in the gym were debating whether Flex could edge out the win if they started out at the same time and were virtually unknowns.
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The hardness of Phil's physique might give Flex some trouble. :o
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Flex beat top 6 guys his rookie season like Lee L. Phil knocked off Darrem. Wait and see "if" Phil can take the likes of Dexter. Then again.... we shouldnt use "ifs" b/c liftticket of Copper Mt said so when it comes to Phil.
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Exactly.. Phil has not gone against any of the top tier pros (olympia placings).. he's had darrem and Dennis in off condition.
FLEX is the best rookie of all-time.. no question. He placed 2nd in his rookie year in the O and some say he should have won. Phil might scratch the top 6..
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What if my aunty had balls!
Would she be my uncle?
haha..
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What if my aunty had balls!
Would she be my uncle?
Take a squeze, sHE might be ;D
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Exactly.. Phil has not gone against any of the top tier pros (olympia placings).. he's had darrem and Dennis in off condition.
FLEX is the best rookie of all-time.. no question. He placed 2nd in his rookie year in the O and some say he should have won. Phil might scratch the top 6..
Darrem was arguably in his best condition at the NY Show.Phil is a dynamite rookie, no question about that, but i don't think he's gonna get past Dex or Branch W. at the ASC in '07.
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The question is how they compare to each other, not how they compare to the people they were competing against. I would say it is close but give Flex the edge.
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that guy isn't even in flex's class
in 93 flex was probably the best bb that ever lived
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that f**cker isn't even in flex's class
in 93 flex was probably the best bb that ever lived
did u know he was only pro measured with 0.0% bf?
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The question is how they compare to each other, not how they compare to the people they were competing against. I would say it is close but give Flex the edge.
Flex had better shape and better conditioning (at the 93 ASC) than Phil did. The detail in Flex's back double bi, would dominate Phil's back. Phil's arms are about the same, but when Flex, flexed them, they were a perfect circle.
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Flex, easily.
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Phil Heath represents everything that is wrong in bodybuilding....All drugs. Now he is touted by the magazines as some kind of role model.
"Look ma I discovered,Anadrol,Growth Hormone,Testosterone,Equipoise,etc and in 3 years look what happened!"
Phil Heath, go the fuck somewhere. Anyone who is half way intelligent does not want any part of your bullshit.
You are no role model. You are a disgrace.
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Phil Heath represents everything that is wrong in bodybuilding....All drugs. Now he is touted by the magazines as some kind of role model.
"Look ma I discovered,Anadrol,Growth Hormone,Testosterone,Equipoise,etc and in 3 years look what happened!"
Phil Heath, go the f**k somewhere. Anyone who is half way intelligent does not want any part of your bullshit.
You are no role model. You are a disgrace.
and you still have pathetic genetics.. :-*
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and you still have pathetic genetics.. :-*
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Phil Heath represents everything that is wrong in bodybuilding....All drugs. Now he is touted by the magazines as some kind of role model.
"Look ma I discovered,Anadrol,Growth Hormone,Testosterone,Equipoise,etc and in 3 years look what happened!"
Phil Heath, go the f**k somewhere. Anyone who is half way intelligent does not want any part of your bullshit.
You are no role model. You are a disgrace.
Wow!
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Phil Heath represents everything that is wrong in bodybuilding....All drugs. Now he is touted by the magazines as some kind of role model.
"Look ma I discovered,Anadrol,Growth Hormone,Testosterone,Equipoise,etc and in 3 years look what happened!"
Phil Heath, go the f**k somewhere. Anyone who is half way intelligent does not want any part of your bullshit.
You are no role model. You are a disgrace.
then why the hell are you on a bodybuilding message board if you are against steroid use? Why? Are you still angry that phil own you in that other thread? For a natural (so you claim to be) you look like shit
hope this helps ::)
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What other thread? Spill it!!
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What other thread? Spill it!!
true adonis said something along the lines of 178 and clean in that other thread and phil said it sucks to be you ;D
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true adonis said something along the lines of 178 and juiced up in that other thread and phil said it sucks to be you huh ;D
I didn`t see it.
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I didn`t see it.
u got pwned ;D
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u got pwned ;D
Phil is pwned. He will look worse than Tom Prince and Levrone off of drugs.
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Phil Heath represents everything that is wrong in bodybuilding....All drugs. Now he is touted by the magazines as some kind of role model.
"Look ma I discovered,Anadrol,Growth Hormone,Testosterone,Equipoise,etc and in 3 years look what happened!"
Phil Heath, go the f**k somewhere. Anyone who is half way intelligent does not want any part of your bullshit.
You are no role model. You are a disgrace.
first of all, Meltdown.
what the f**k are you talking abt? What do u think the rest of the guys are taking? You're gonna knock him for his genetics? It isn't every other "juicehead" that can step on a bodybuilding stage and win every damn show he enters.
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I didn`t see it.
okay i got some of the wording wrong
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=83029.50 ;D
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Monster Jealousy.
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LMAO again Adonis Pawned!! ;D
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I`m just not in awe. Don`t award Heath, award the drug company for producing such a fine drug.
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When I clicked on this I thought it would be about Flex Lewis... Oh well...
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Hey ALF I mean Adonis - your jealous hatred towards Heath is clear, we get it, but why be a bitter little bitch about it?
Coming from a guy who can't even win "Mr. Getbig" you have no room to speak on sheet.
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Phil Heath represents everything that is wrong in bodybuilding....All drugs. Now he is touted by the magazines as some kind of role model.
"Look ma I discovered,Anadrol,Growth Hormone,Testosterone,Equipoise,etc and in 3 years look what happened!"
Phil Heath, go the f**k somewhere. Anyone who is half way intelligent does not want any part of your bullshit.
You are no role model. You are a disgrace.
First off, what do you represent other than being a hater on every bodybuilder that is better than you huh? I have no idea why you are like this other than the fact you are just some guy who wants to get a rise out of the athletes. Well, if it was that easy then everyone on this board would be Mr. O right? Don't think for one minute that you are man enough to say these dumb things to my face. You're a true adonis, well I haven't seen one pic ok so lose the name as it is only a figure of your dellusional imagination bro. I have no hatred toward you as I have no clue who you are and I can only assume that you are not as pathetic as you sound on these boards...you must be playin' around.
Oh well, thanks for the haterade but no thanks! To everyone else, thanks for the intelligent input. I have no problem in being judged as that is what I and other bber's do. I know that I have tons of work to do which is why I have been successful as I understand that hard work and dedication pays off and not relying on genetics alone. Well, True Adonis or like Lift said, "ALF", all I can say is thanks because guys like Ronnie, Jay and Dexter get crap like this all the time, which places me amongst some of the best ever so thank you very much. ;D
Peace!
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Phil, here is the true adonis
(http://images6.theimagehosting.com/191_9108_2.JPG)
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First off, what do you represent other than being a hater on every bodybuilder that is better than you huh? I have no idea why you are like this other than the fact you are just some guy who wants to get a rise out of the athletes. Well, if it was that easy then everyone on this board would be Mr. O right? Don't think for one minute that you are man enough to say these dumb things to my face. You're a true adonis, well I haven't seen one pic ok so lose the name as it is only a figure of your dellusional imagination bro. I have no hatred toward you as I have no clue who you are and I can only assume that you are not as pathetic as you sound on these boards...you must be playin' around.
Oh well, thanks for the haterade but no thanks! To everyone else, thanks for the intelligent input. I have no problem in being judged as that is what I and other bber's do. I know that I have tons of work to do which is why I have been successful as I understand that hard work and dedication pays off and not relying on genetics alone. Well, True Adonis or like Lift said, "ALF", all I can say is thanks because guys like Ronnie, Jay and Dexter get crap like this all the time, which places me amongst some of the best ever so thank you very much. ;D
Peace!
8) ;D
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I like Phil but he can't hold a candle to Flex !
yeah the oil might catch fire ;D
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First off, what do you represent other than being a hater on every bodybuilder that is better than you huh? I have no idea why you are like this other than the fact you are just some guy who wants to get a rise out of the athletes. Well, if it was that easy then everyone on this board would be Mr. O right? Don't think for one minute that you are man enough to say these dumb things to my face. You're a true adonis, well I haven't seen one pic ok so lose the name as it is only a figure of your dellusional imagination bro. I have no hatred toward you as I have no clue who you are and I can only assume that you are not as pathetic as you sound on these boards...you must be playin' around.
Oh well, thanks for the haterade but no thanks! To everyone else, thanks for the intelligent input. I have no problem in being judged as that is what I and other bber's do. I know that I have tons of work to do which is why I have been successful as I understand that hard work and dedication pays off and not relying on genetics alone. Well, True Adonis or like Lift said, "ALF", all I can say is thanks because guys like Ronnie, Jay and Dexter get crap like this all the time, which places me amongst some of the best ever so thank you very much. ;D
Phil, sounds like True Adonis got under your skin. When you use the line, "Don't think for one minute that you are man enough to say these dumb things to my face.", it means TA has got you to move from the message board outwitting phase to the real life "I'll kick your ass in person" phase.
Also, the term "haterade" is very 2002, and everyone who has used it has ended up with a permanent home on Douche St. (Shawn, King, etc), so you might want to steer clear of that one. Other than that, keep on training for the 2007 O - it's yours to lose.
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I think Phil might stop a while and try not to melt down.
Please Phil, stay cool and don't start this 'come over to my house and we'll see who has the bigger biceps'-shit.
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Exactly.. Phil has not gone against any of the top tier pros (olympia placings).. he's had darrem and Dennis in off condition.
FLEX is the best rookie of all-time.. no question. He placed 2nd in his rookie year in the O and some say he should have won. Phil might scratch the top 6..
yates finished second in his rookie year and some say he should have won. :D
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First off, what do you represent other than being a hater on every bodybuilder that is better than you huh? I have no idea why you are like this other than the fact you are just some guy who wants to get a rise out of the athletes. Well, if it was that easy then everyone on this board would be Mr. O right? Don't think for one minute that you are man enough to say these dumb things to my face. You're a true adonis, well I haven't seen one pic ok so lose the name as it is only a figure of your dellusional imagination bro. I have no hatred toward you as I have no clue who you are and I can only assume that you are not as pathetic as you sound on these boards...you must be playin' around.
Oh well, thanks for the haterade but no thanks! To everyone else, thanks for the intelligent input. I have no problem in being judged as that is what I and other bber's do. I know that I have tons of work to do which is why I have been successful as I understand that hard work and dedication pays off and not relying on genetics alone. Well, True Adonis or like Lift said, "ALF", all I can say is thanks because guys like Ronnie, Jay and Dexter get crap like this all the time, which places me amongst some of the best ever so thank you very much. ;D
Peace!
Here you go buddy. (http://images6.theimagehosting.com/190_9094_2.JPG)
I just don`t understand why YOU should be hailed the second coming. Everyone also knows Darrem Charles was shafted.
With that aside, here is the issue...You used to be a twerpy 170 lbs when you played basketball. You were twerpy until you discovered your supplements. Fast forward to 3-4 years later and now you are a Pro. Fine. But don`t go walking around acting like you are some sort of "GIFT" when it is clearly all the supplements. I get sick and tired of seeing your articles in magazines hustling the latest supplement and training routine when the intelligent people know this has fuck all the reason why you are where you are in development.
Do you know how many years Ronnie put in? I`m not saying there should be a time limit, but I am saying that all of your work is a product of drug usage. If you are such a gift like you claim and the magazines claim, stop using now. You will be below 200 lbs. What will they call you then? I think you are delusional enough to think that your physique is from hard work. I also think you aren`t right for the sport. Bodybuilding needs a new direction and it should not start with you. It needs someone without a reliance on drugs. You wouldn`t know anything about that though.
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Here you go buddy. (http://images6.theimagehosting.com/190_9094_2.JPG)
I just don`t understand why YOU should be hailed the second coming. Everyone also knows Darrem Charles was shafted.
With that aside, here is the issue...You used to be a twerpy 170 lbs when you played basketball. You were twerpy until you discovered your supplements. Fast forward to 3-4 years later and now you are a Pro. Fine. But don`t go walking around acting like you are some sort of "GIFT" when it is clearly all the supplements. I get sick and tired of seeing your articles in magazines hustling the latest supplement and training routine when the intelligent people know this has f**k all the reason why you are where you are in development.
Do you know how many years Ronnie put in? I`m not saying there should be a time limit, but I am saying that all of your work is a product of drug usage. If you are such a gift like you claim and the magazines claim, stop using now. You will be below 200 lbs. What will they call you then? I think you are delusional enough to think that your physique is from hard work. I also think you aren`t right for the sport. Bodybuilding needs a new direction and it should not start with you. It needs someone without a reliance on drugs. You wouldn`t know anything about that though.
hahahaha, "the gift" owned beyond belief, "the gift" wouldn't be half Adonis's size without drugs.
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hahahaha, "the gift" owned beyond belief, "the gift" wouldn't be half Adonis's size without drugs.
There's probably some truth in that.
Anyways it would have taken him more than 3 years to be a pro.
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maybe "the gift" is just lingo for "'the drugs" ?
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maybe "the gift" is just lingo for "'the drugs" ?
hahhahah, I can roll with that.
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"The Gift by Mail Order"
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Phil could post a pic of him before he started lifting - that might clear things up.
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Phil could post a pic of him before he started lifting - that might clear things up.
I would like to see that. Or when he was natural.
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I would like to see that. Or when he was natural.
Yeah me too. But i think we've scared him away for now... :'(
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I would like to see that. Or when he was natural.
you don't really wanna do that do you?
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you don't really wanna do that do you?
Yah, it would be nice to see what kind of condition and size you had as a natural. I think everyone is curious.
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Gift, post the pic!
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flex would be owned by heath...
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flex would be owned by heath...
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other way around buddy
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heath probably has soem of the best genetics around, but at a lighter BW. Same way at 160, david henry looked unfookingbelievable.
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Here you go buddy. (http://images6.theimagehosting.com/190_9094_2.JPG)
I just don`t understand why YOU should be hailed the second coming. Everyone also knows Darrem Charles was shafted.
With that aside, here is the issue...You used to be a twerpy 170 lbs when you played basketball. You were twerpy until you discovered your supplements. Fast forward to 3-4 years later and now you are a Pro. Fine. But don`t go walking around acting like you are some sort of "GIFT" when it is clearly all the supplements. I get sick and tired of seeing your articles in magazines hustling the latest supplement and training routine when the intelligent people know this has f**k all the reason why you are where you are in development.
Do you know how many years Ronnie put in? I`m not saying there should be a time limit, but I am saying that all of your work is a product of drug usage. If you are such a gift like you claim and the magazines claim, stop using now. You will be below 200 lbs. What will they call you then? I think you are delusional enough to think that your physique is from hard work. I also think you aren`t right for the sport. Bodybuilding needs a new direction and it should not start with you. It needs someone without a reliance on drugs. You wouldn`t know anything about that though.
DAMN, TA with the slap down. Next time why don't you tell him what's really on your mind. lol. Much respect. Nice arms.
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I'm not sure 2007 is Phil's O or not. We are talking about 30-35lbs of muscles on his frame which is a bit narrow like Flex. BTW...Kamali was very good with conditioning his rookie season...just had a bad overall body shape and look what happen when he played the size game. If the Beast, as GH15 calls him, shows up for #10, there is no way on this earth that upset happens. Then...you better open the books on the IFBB.
The last 3 Os are big men in the 250+ range. Can a 5'6"-5'9" man under 235 take the crown against a giant... or is Phil's destiny the same as Shawn, Kevin and Flex?
BTW...who started this good and bad genetics thing in bbing? I remember Cory Everson back in the day always talking about her great genetics but Langer actually had the better genetics for woman...as far as her small waist and nice hip structure...where as Cory was more straight up and down. Guess I'll have to go back over the Human and General Genetics books, b/c I'm missing something here in the bbing game.
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Looks like TA has his confidence fill from the ironage punks.
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I don't undersand how come people keep scrutinizing Pro's for using gear. This is bodybuilding and steroids are a huge part of it everyone knows it. The fact that Phil made such tremendous gains is amazing and he should be applauded for it. Not only did he get a lot bigger, he also managed to keep his waist down. He obviously knows what he is doing. Almost everyone in the IFBB is using gear so why are you coming down on Phil so hard about it? And all of these posts about how if he was a natural I'd be bigger than him is ridiculous. Phil makes his living through bodybuilding, he is not going to stop using steroids just to shut up the internet critics. If you really want to back up your claim then start taking whatever it is you need to take and we'll see if you win your first Pro show in three years.
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One of the underlying debates is Natural vs Gear guys which happens on this site all the time. Hence...you have TA vs Phil now. As someone said...the biggest problem is the magazines pushing the pros as the way to go to build your body via sugar filled protein drinks and certain exercises that only the pros do right when it's really the regime of drugs they use via guidance that probably makes that difference. Did you notice I said guidance? This may be the reason you get a couple of jacka$$ killing themselves or having strokes by improper use of substances, or taking large sums of drugs but doing
lifts like a 185lb natural with no real returns from their regimes. John Brown equals Shawn Ray, Melvin Anthony and a couple of others. Then... you add in the 7 meals a day, heavy weight training (heavy weight = big muscles) and all other stuff.
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I'd like to say that I met Phil in the Denver airport this past weekend, and he was a total gentleman. I waited outside the plane for him to disboard, then introduced myself and asked for a picture. He happily obliged and then instead of walking off, engaged myself and my wife in conversation for a few minutes. A TRUE CLASS ACT.
Thanks Phil, you are right up there with Jay and Brett Saberhagen as the coolest pro athletes I've met.
RM
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I understand the whole argument about natural vs gear. I am a natural myself, and I know that great gains can be made naturally. At the same time I won't bash someone who is using steroids, it's their choice and their life. I do have a problem with juice heads claiming they are natural, but that's a whole different story. TA is attacking an elite IFBB Pro, they are not even remotely in the same league there shouldn't even be an argument about it.
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I understand the whole argument about natural vs gear. I am a natural myself, and I know that great gains can be made naturally. At the same time I won't bash someone who is using steroids, it's their choice and their life. I do have a problem with juice heads claiming they are natural, but that's a whole different story. TA is attacking an elite IFBB Pro, they are not even remotely in the same league there shouldn't even be an argument about it.
Who walked Phil through his regimes over the last 3-4 yrs because that is what has made him an elite pro? John Brown passing his drug wisdom to Shawn Ray and Melvin Anthony vs some of the other gear head in the gym is probably the main key to their pro rise? If you worked closely with him at the amateur level...he would probably have you in the top 5 at the Nationals or USA. There are other parts to the equation but you d##n sure cant load up on the GH, insulin, dbol and other chemicals without professional guidance to get to where Phil is by guessing concentration/titrations from jack and jills on the gear board. M.D.s, Ph.D.s and past pros will do. Someone told him what to put in the syringe or in his mouth in the early stages in the proper concentrations along with heavy weight lifting, rest and dieting.
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I think Phil is not just at Flex's level just yet. But in 1 to 2 years Max, for sure! Phil Heath is the most genectically gifted pro on the circuit today!! the sky is the limit! I have spoken to few people where i live on Australia who met Phil at the Olympia last year and they said he was a great guy and potential like you would'nt beleive! He has proven that this year! I even read in a local interview that Luke Wood said "Phil is like a Cartoon Character"!!!!
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you don't really wanna do that do you?
If you were really such a *Gift* you would be smart enough not to reply to TA's attacks on this board...Anita ::)
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If you were really such a *Gift* you would be smart enough not to reply to TA's attacks on this board...Anita ::)
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I`m still waiting on that natural pic by the way.
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Phil you dont have the balls to post the pic do ya????
Whatta ya yella ????
(Old Marty McFly technique)
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heath probably has soem of the best genetics around, but at a lighter BW. Same way at 160, david henry looked unfookingbelievable.
what is soem? ???
thanks for your input though
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Phil you dont have the balls to post the pic do ya????
Whatta ya yella ????
(Old Marty McFly technique)
dude we seen your pics you look like shit,jaehoena
i have to say that true adonis looks better than you and that is not a good thing because he looks like shit also
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dude we seen your pics you look like shit,jaehoena
i have to say that true adonis looks better than you and that is not a good thing because he looks like shit also
hahahhaha ...um yeah I have an uncanny resemblence to Collossus 1986 dont I ....Only dipshits fell for that ...hellllloooo dip shit
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Phil isn't doing anything the other pros aren't doing. If his body responds better to training and BBing foods & supps then he does belong among the top BBers in the world. If you took all supps away in the pros, it would be the same people winning shows. Plus, Phil is a very nice person and friendly to fans. Save the hate for the guys that deserve it. I'll take Phil over the current version of Ronnie any day.
1993 Flex was the best physique to hit the olympia stage, IMO.
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Adonis...I was at the Colorado Pro and saw it for myself that Heath deserved that win over Darrem Charles.
Phil was just too far superior to Darrem's physique.
Im a big Darrem fan but Im an even bigger Heath fan when I witnessed what I saw that night. The true champion won that night.
Phil is the real deal.....
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If his body responds better to training and BBing foods & supps then he does belong among the top BBers in the world. If you took all supps away in the pros, it would be the same people winning shows.
My feeling is this is exactly the opposite of what Adonis is saying. Adonis is saying that professional BBs are the guys who:
A) Work out out and respond well
B) Try drugs to break past natural limits and discover they are hyper-responders
C) Compete
D) Turn pro
E) Up the dosage
Somewhere between A and B is a line some people won't cross. Since (in my opinion) responding well to lifting and responding well to drugs is not exactly the same thing genetically, Adonis is saying that there's no way to know that someone like him is not as good as someone like Phil would be, without drugs. That is, there's no way to know unless the drug users supply a photo of themselves before they began their first cycle. So saying Ronnie would still be number one is only speculation at best - and that speculation is weakened by the fact that his torso has expanded as well as the rest of him - an indication that he has played the "upping the dosage" game himself.
Not a knock on Phil. He plays the game as well as can be within the non-enforced rules, so good for him. But guys on the sauce should be willing to prove they put in the time and looked good before making that switch. At least, they should be willing to prove it if they plan on calling anyone who is natural a lightweight. And yes, i know that Adonis started this one, not Phil.
I think Adonis' attack on Phil was more of an attack on the industry, and its new star, rather than Phil himself. Phil certainly has the right not to see the distinction, and I for one would not look for it either, if someone called me a discrace.
Pandora's box has been opened. We can't un-invent nukes or steroids...If the IFBB actually enforced drug testing, than casual bodybuilders on the sauce would actually be bigger than the pros. The IFBB would be broke in a matter of days. It would be the same reason no one goes to watch women play pro sports like basketball: the average fit guy is better than they are, so why bother?
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what is soem? ???
thanks for your input though
hahaa, i thought they had intelligence testing if you enter the military!
Try 'some' for a start.
like in 'some of the best'.
Sounds good?
THANK YOU, SIR! APPRECIATE IT, SIR!
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My feeling is this is exactly the opposite of what Adonis is saying. Adonis is saying that professional BBs are the guys who:
A) Work out out and respond well
B) Try drugs to break past natural limits and discover they are hyper-responders
C) Compete
D) Turn pro
E) Up the dosage
Somewhere between A and B is a line some people won't cross. Since (in my opinion) responding well to lifting and responding well to drugs is not exactly the same thing genetically, Adonis is saying that there's no way to know that someone like him is not as good as someone like Phil would be, without drugs. That is, there's no way to know unless the drug users supply a photo of themselves before they began their first cycle. So saying Ronnie would still be number one is only speculation at best - and that speculation is weakened by the fact that his torso has expanded as well as the rest of him - an indication that he has played the "upping the dosage" game himself.
Not a knock on Phil. He plays the game as well as can be within the non-enforced rules, so good for him. But guys on the sauce should be willing to prove they put in the time and looked good before making that switch. At least, they should be willing to prove it if they plan on calling anyone who is natural a lightweight. And yes, i know that Adonis started this one, not Phil.
I think Adonis' attack on Phil was more of an attack on the industry, and its new star, rather than Phil himself. Phil certainly has the right not to see the distinction, and I for one would not look for it either, if someone called me a discrace.
Pandora's box has been opened. We can't un-invent nukes or steroids...If the IFBB actually enforced drug testing, than casual bodybuilders on the sauce would actually be bigger than the pros. The IFBB would be broke in a matter of days. It would be the same reason no one goes to watch women play pro sports like basketball: the average fit guy is better than they are, so why bother?
Very
well written! My thoughts Exactly!
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Phil isn't doing anything the other pros aren't doing. If his body responds better to training and BBing foods & supps then he does belong among the top BBers in the world. If you took all supps away in the pros, it would be the same people winning shows. Plus, Phil is a very nice person and friendly to fans. Save the hate for the guys that deserve it. I'll take Phil over the current version of Ronnie any day.
1993 Flex was the best physique to hit the olympia stage, IMO.
I like how "experts" and pros use the words "supps" instead of drugs.
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Phil didn't put a lot of time into his physique, with 3-4 years of training and using drugs he turned pro.
Phil didn't train naturally to get his gains. :-\
Regardless he looks great:
(http://repetrope.com/assets/content/Media02/galleries/11039/fullsize/11039-heath-p-33.jpg)
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This pic is from 4 years ago or so:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=318024&d=1153138610
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HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH What great natural genetics!
Phil Heath is a joke and I hope everyone knows it.
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HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH What great natural genetics!
Phil Heath is a joke and I hope everyone knows it.
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=318024&d=1153138610)
Why, he was a basketball player then.
What do you expect him to look like?
Bashing him because he juiced himself to the top in 4 years is one thing, and it's sad that something like this happens in the industrym, but bashing him because he looked like a basketball player when he was a basketball player is dumb.
Lets hope Phil takes BB to an aethetic route again.
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I want to state a fact here.
99% of the bbers try to juice their way to the pros and none of them turn pro in 4 years.
the other 1 % may turn pro but never win a show
Phil won 2
Team Heat 2006
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I want to state a fact here.
99% of the bbers try to juice their way to the pros and none of them turn pro in 4 years.
the other 1 % may turn pro but never win a show
Phil won 2
Team Heat 2006
That's what i say. Phil stays an extremly good BB. No matter what you might say otherwise.
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adonis why don't you post a pic of what a guy should look like BEFORE training and dieting
also when are you going to post that pic of you and Jezebelle holding up that sign ;D
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I want to state a fact here.
99% of the bbers try to juice their way to the pros and none of them turn pro in 4 years.
the other 1 % may turn pro but never win a show
Phil won 2
Team Heat 2006
Shawn Ray and Melvin Anthony via John Brown both did it in about 4yrs.
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Melvin only competed 4 years to gain pro status ?!?!
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This is hilarious...someone with a turkey neck like TA giving Phil a hard time...that's laughable. I have seen guys like TA clammer on and on about certain bodybuilders only to reveal in the near future that they are gay. Don't sweat it TA...so what? So you jack off to Phil's pics....no one is hating on you man. You go girl.
I have judged Phil on the NPC level and have seen him around at the shows and at my gym. Phil and I have talked a lot. I won't get into any info here but lets say he probably takes less "supps" than TA.
When Phil first decided to compete he knew nothing about competing in BBing. Phil, you dieted for liek 4 weeks or something for your first show, right? He was striated and pretty big...nothing close to what he is now but he made TA look like Sally Struthers in size and condition.
Give up TA...
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lol! ;D
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I have to say that Ive seen Phil Heath train at the World's here in Denver. The guy trains like a man possesed!
He bust his ass and puts forth so much effort and discipline.
No amount of "supplements" will make someone grow if that person isnt training right or eating right. Phil Heath is blessed with genetics and an impeccable work ethic. Thats whatgot him here today!
I look forward to seeing Phil competing in future events...God bless this man!
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HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH What great natural genetics!
Phil Heath is a joke and I hope everyone knows it.
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=318024&d=1153138610)
Adam, you are the fucking joke. You wish you had 1/10 of what Phil has going for him.
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This is hilarious...someone with a turkey neck like TA giving Phil a hard time...that's laughable. I have seen guys like TA clammer on and on about certain bodybuilders only to reveal in the near future that they are gay. Don't sweat it TA...so what? So you jack off to Phil's pics....no one is hating on you man. You go girl.
I have judged Phil on the NPC level and have seen him around at the shows and at my gym. Phil and I have talked a lot. I won't get into any info here but lets say he probably takes less "supps" than TA.
When Phil first decided to compete he knew nothing about competing in BBing. Phil, you dieted for liek 4 weeks or something for your first show, right? He was striated and pretty big...nothing close to what he is now but he made TA look like Sally Struthers in size and condition.
Give up TA...
oh man hahhahaha ;D
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This is hilarious...someone with a turkey neck like TA giving Phil a hard time...that's laughable. I have seen guys like TA clammer on and on about certain bodybuilders only to reveal in the near future that they are gay. Don't sweat it TA...so what? So you jack off to Phil's pics....no one is hating on you man. You go girl.
I have judged Phil on the NPC level and have seen him around at the shows and at my gym. Phil and I have talked a lot. I won't get into any info here but lets say he probably takes less "supps" than TA.
When Phil first decided to compete he knew nothing about competing in BBing. Phil, you dieted for liek 4 weeks or something for your first show, right? He was striated and pretty big...nothing close to what he is now but he made TA look like Sally Struthers in size and condition.
Give up TA...
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Do you guy realize there are 18 years olds who have trained longer than Phil Heath? lol
monster shortcuts to turn pro
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He must have MONSTER eyebrows from so much juice.
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With or without drugs, I think that it is amazing what Heath has done in such a short period of time. To be one of the top 6 or 7 guys in the world, after only a short period of time, is fantastic. Sure, the drugs work, and they help immensely, but he's not doing any thing that anybody else isn't doing. Adonis, these drugs have been, and will continue to be around for a long time. You never bash Arnold, or Sergio, or Franco, or Zane, or Larry Scott, or Boyer Coe, or Steve Reeves for that matter, and they all took anabolics. Maybe not in the dosages that we see today, and perhaps the afformentioned guys worked alot harder in the gym, but it seems that you are always "up in arms" about the drugs. I truly believe that no matter how many drugs that you took, you could never even remotely approach Phil Heath. Your "war" against the steriod users will never be won. These drugs are here to stay.........like it or not.....and they will forever be incorporated into bodybuilding............ Weez
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hahaa, i thought they had intelligence testing if you enter the military!
Try 'some' for a start.
like in 'some of the best'.
Sounds good?
THANK YOU, SIR! APPRECIATE IT, SIR!
I didnt spell it wrong you did donkey aka 240 or bust go back and read your post stupid bitch.
its 2 years now and your wife havent had a baby yet, something is wrong. maybe you dont have a wife? just
just a boyfriend. I guess that explains why you take naked pics of yourself and post it on your site for all
your gay band buddies to see.
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heath probably has soem of the best genetics around, but at a lighter BW. Same way at 160, david henry looked unfookingbelievable.
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True Adonis is going to max out his genetic potential and get a job at 7-11 so he'll never have to worry about protein intake again
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I didnt spell it wrong you did donkey aka 240 or bust go back and read your post stupid bitch.
its 2 years now and your wife havent had a baby yet, something is wrong. maybe you dont have a wife? just
just a boyfriend. I guess that explains why you take naked pics of yourself and post it on your site for all
your gay band buddies to see.
You mistake me for someone else...
But you know what?
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With or without drugs, I think that it is amazing what Heath has done in such a short period of time. To be one of the top 6 or 7 guys in the world, after only a short period of time, is fantastic. Sure, the drugs work, and they help immensely, but he's not doing any thing that anybody else isn't doing. Adonis, these drugs have been, and will continue to be around for a long time. You never bash Arnold, or Sergio, or Franco, or Zane, or Larry Scott, or Boyer Coe, or Steve Reeves for that matter, and they all took anabolics. Maybe not in the dosages that we see today, and perhaps the afformentioned guys worked alot harder in the gym, but it seems that you are always "up in arms" about the drugs. I truly believe that no matter how many drugs that you took, you could never even remotely approach Phil Heath. Your "war" against the steriod users will never be won. These drugs are here to stay.........like it or not.....and they will forever be incorporated into bodybuilding............ Weez
I like how you people try to sum up someones "genetics" pre gear when a lot of pros looked like Pip Squeaks and Twerps pre-gear. hahahahahah Delusional.
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um, I'm not donkey kong. hth.
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I think Phil is super overrated.Clearly he cant do even the half of what Flex did.
First of all,before comparering him with Flex,why dont we compare him with Dexter?
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What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.
If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.
Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or 170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....
To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?
I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....
What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing that his body adapted so well?
I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.
But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.
It is hard being a natural....
Some say that "supplements" dont really help you and say that there is proof because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.
Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.
Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....
Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at over 230-240 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....
But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....
I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...
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What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.
If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.
Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or 170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....
To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?
I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....
What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing that his body adapted so well?
I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.
But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.
It is hard being a natural....
Some say that "supplements" dont really help you and say that there is proof because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.
Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.
Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....
Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at 230 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....
But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....
I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...
You need help.
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Alexx...why do I need help?
Looking at your physique...youre the one that neeeeds a lot of help ;) LOL
But its ok to be delusional...your delusions of granduer make me laugh ;D
Youre needed on this board for the comedy value and I enjoy reading your posts :)
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IMO Phil heath is the next kevin levrone.
In 92 he was teh second coming. Won the NOC i think, and took 2nd at the O. He had shape and lines which were unheard of, and he had wider clavicles than heath has.
But what happened to kev? Once he grew into his frame and filled out - once he put on 'pro quality mass', he looked the same as everyone else, his weaknesses became more glaring, and while he took second 4 times at the O, he was never the 6-time champ his genetics could have allowed.
When guys blow up, they don't look as good. The place higher in this weird IFBB judging system (heath and darrem would never beat DJ at the O, but they handled him quickly at the NY Pro), but they don't look good anymore.
Imagine if Phil heath DIDN'T spend the next 15 months adding pro levels of mass. imagine if Phil Heath DIDN'T put on 15 pounds, show up with bigger elbows and jawbone. With a more bunched up chest, and thicker arms and legs to further destroy the illusion of width.
I remember being clowned when I said Phil should take off the O and milk the 'undefeated' thing. Then, he did it. I hope he' listening now. Phil, put on 5 pounds, not 25. Show up in 15 months with muscle maturity on the same frame, not hanging slabs with no shape, a crying need for escaline due to weaknesses being shown, and a chest more bunched up than it is now.
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What I think Adonis is trying to say is that if a person is given an incredible "supplement", that person has the capability of fulfilling their "potential" ie.....Arnold.
If Arnold was given today's "supplement", there is no way of knowing how incredible he would of looked today with today's technology.
Lets face it ...Arnold or any pro for that matter would not be where they are today if it wasnt for that extra help. It makes me wonder how many people have never fulfilled there true potential without added aide. Would they be stuck at 190 or 170 for that matter? Or did their true genetic potential come into play without the help of "supplements". Makes me wonder about the people who will never ever find out their true genetic potential....
To me, Adonis looks like a young Arnold....his waiste, bis, etc...given the proper nutrition and "supps", what would his true genteic potential be?
I remember when I was in high school the most I ever weighed when I graduated was between 160-170. After high school, I went up in weight to 220-230 by the age of 21..this was not fat weight but I really added on more muscle and I did this all naturally without the aid of "supplements". I couldnt even afford squat back then....
What if Phil restricted himself back then and wasnt eating as much as he is today and doing a hellova lot more cardio back then. Just as how I restricted myself and watched my weight when I use to wrestle in high school and did so much cardio that it was detrimental to my bodybuilding efforts. But when I started to eat a lot more higher quality food and limited my cardio, I added more muscle naturally and grew bigger ...Dont you think Phil could have done the same thing that his body adapted so well?
I have to tell you this...when I was on a "supplement", I was able to bench 315 pounds for over 20 reps like it was nothing and I could squat 405 with reps with ease. It was the most incredible feeling in the world to me then ..I miss those days when I was that strong.
But when I got off the "supplement", I couldnt even freakin squat past 315 for easy reps like I used to and it was a strugle to even rep out 315 on bench for 5 reps.
It is hard being a natural....
Some say that "supplements" dont really help you and say that there is proof because someone takes these supplements doesnt mean that they will become "big" (John Romano), I say nonsense. I took these supplements and was bigger and stronger, even faster, than I was today.
Ive never fulfilled my genetic potential because I couldnt afford to keep on having those "supplements" but I know what it feels like to have the size and be over 270-280 off season and bench and squat with ease.
Im being honest with you people and I know some people will be in denial about what these supplements can really do. Gosh...I know some of you are going to bash me but I wanted you to understand Adonis's point of view.....and see where he is coming from....
Example...the picture you are looking at was taken in 2003. Im the guy on the far left (your left). I was taking some sort of supplement where I mentioned I was repping and benching with ease and sqauting with ease. I left Denver for my mission at over 230-240 pounds....came back an even bigger 270-280 pounds....
But those gains were lost when I got off the "supplements" and my strength is no where near where it once was....
I can honestly say I know exactly where Adonis is coming from and how he feels about some people on here...
VERY GOOD POST.
That is about the most honest assessment I have ever seen from someone who has trained both ways. I wonder how can people take credit for the things they do when they are "on", because the only reason they are lifting that much,or the only reason they look the way they do is because of a drug.
JerryMe, Much props for being completely honest with us and yourself. I don`t think most users have the intelligence to realize what you have realized.
I really do not give steroid users much credit because it is the drug at work. Do it naturally and then you can earn your look or lift,otherwise its just the drugs enabling you to do what you would NEVER be able to do. I don`t find that impressive,just like I don`t find lifts in squat suits and bench shirts impressive.
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Alexx...why do I need help?
Looking at your physique...youre the one that neeeeds a lot of help ;) LOL
But its ok to be delusional...your delusions of granduer make me laugh ;D
Youre needed on this board for the comedy value and I enjoy reading your posts :)
You bench more than you can squat for starters..
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Alexxx said
You bench more than you can squat for starters..
You are a mean mean person :'(
But dont worry, I bet I do more weights then you ;)
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Alexxx said
You are a mean mean person :'(
But dont worry, I bet I do more weights then you ;)
hahaha keep lifting there big fellow!
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um, I'm not donkey kong. hth.
Yeah thanks for poiting that out. ;D ;D
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IMO Phil heath is the next kevin levrone.
In 92 he was teh second coming. Won the NOC i think, and took 2nd at the O. He had shape and lines which were unheard of, and he had wider clavicles than heath has.
But what happened to kev? Once he grew into his frame and filled out - once he put on 'pro quality mass', he looked the same as everyone else, his weaknesses became more glaring, and while he took second 4 times at the O, he was never the 6-time champ his genetics could have allowed.
When guys blow up, they don't look as good. The place higher in this weird IFBB judging system (heath and darrem would never beat DJ at the O, but they handled him quickly at the NY Pro), but they don't look good anymore.
Imagine if Phil heath DIDN'T spend the next 15 months adding pro levels of mass. imagine if Phil Heath DIDN'T put on 15 pounds, show up with bigger elbows and jawbone. With a more bunched up chest, and thicker arms and legs to further destroy the illusion of width.
I remember being clowned when I said Phil should take off the O and milk the 'undefeated' thing. Then, he did it. I hope he' listening now. Phil, put on 5 pounds, not 25. Show up in 15 months with muscle maturity on the same frame, not hanging slabs with no shape, a crying need for escaline due to weaknesses being shown, and a chest more bunched up than it is now.
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The sad thing is that, I'm sure, True Adonis is not natural neither, just like 240. But their body just doesn't respond to the juice or they've got tooooo lazy asses, thus the hate against people who juice and are 'successful'...
;D
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The sad thing is that, I'm sure, True Adonis is not natural neither, just like 240. But their body just doesn't respond to the juice or they've got tooooo lazy asses, thus the hate against people who juice and are 'successful'...
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Incorrect. Lifetime Natural.
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True Adonis has buddy mods deleting threads about him. I posted one up and it was gone in under 5 minutes. I didn't even say anything bad about him, just that we fucking get his point already.
Epic collusion and mod powers.