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Drugs like heroin and cocaine cause a different state of mind that could be dangerous, also they are highly addictive. I can understand why they are illegal. Of course a very strong case could be made that alcohol and nicotine do the same but aren't illegal.
What affect do steroids cause that make them illegal? Of course they have certain side effects but mainly they build muscle. Why would a substance our bodies produce (testosterone) be illegal in synthetic form?
When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.
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Drugs like heroin and cocaine cause a different state of mind that could be dangerous, also they are highly addictive. I can understand why they are illegal. Of course a very strong case could be made that alcohol and nicotine do the same but aren't illegal.
What affect do steroids cause that make them illegal? Of course they have certain side effects but mainly they build muscle. Why would a substance our bodies produce (testosterone) be illegal in synthetic form?
When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.
The fact that any drug is against the law is pointless...I don`t care what anyone does in their home as long as they aren`t affecting others.
Steroids still don`t belong in any sport.
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Because that way the pharmaceutical company's can keep a control on the revenue !!! most likely
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You're absolutely right, it's a complete joke the whole steroid hysteria that exists in this country. And banning prohormones and ephedra? It's absolutely insane. Haven't the Chinese been using ephedra for hundreds of years, but us stupid Americans can't use it responsibly for a few decades without our self righteous know it all Congress playing big brother and banning it. This is what happens when you have a bunch of middle aged self righteous politicians making the laws.
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Steroids are a prescription drug. All drugs that are prescription are illegal to sell or distribute.
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Because that way the pharmaceutical company's can keep a control on the revenue !!! most likely
They don`t make hardly any revenue off of steroids as they aren`t massively prescribed. Very few big drug companies even manufacture them.
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The pharmaceudical companies would have made far more coin before they were banned - hell, some sold cases out the back door to local dealers (source: Anabolics 2006)
The FDA was against them being banned.
Romano did some very good articles about this subject a year or two ago.
It's all politics, pseudoscience, and fear mongering.
All it did was drive it underground, putting money in the hands of criminals and putting users at risk (violent dealers, counterfeits, etc . . .)
I read that the Russian mafia controlled the steroid market in New York - apparently they kept fakes off the streets
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You can't compare heroin with AAS. Heroin users commit far more crimes and degrade society far more than AAS users. There are some things that need to be outlawed and roids are not one of them. BTW, why not outlaw creatine? After it was introduced athletes got bigger and better.
You are missing the point. Creatine isn`t a drug prescribed by a physician.
Steroids are illegal because they are simply TOO powerful on the human system. Look at how bad it alters women. The health problems DO exist. Are you forgetting about Tom Prince, Don Long and a whole list of others?
Steroids are not childrens vitamins.
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The fact that any drug is against the law is pointless...I don`t care what anyone does in their home as long as they aren`t affecting others.
Steroids still don`t belong in any sport.
i agree 100% if there were a way to keep everyone off and the playing field level but that willnever happen so if youcan;t beat em naturally beat em juiced lol
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You are missing the point. Creatine isn`t a drug prescribed by a physician.
Steroids are illegal because they are simply TOO powerful on the human system. Look at how bad it alters women. The health problems DO exist. Are you forgetting about Tom Prince, Don Long and a whole list of others?
Steroids are not childrens vitamins.
if you take over 40 grams of creatine a day you can caus eliver and kidney failure so there goes that theory
and as too women youaretalking about something that shouldn;t be in their system in the first place
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Steroids are illegal because they are simply TOO powerful on the human system. Look at how bad it alters women. The health problems DO exist. Are you forgetting about Tom Prince, Don Long and a whole list of others?
Steroids are not childrens vitamins.
so are alcohol and ciragerrets. the gov't could easy control their sales like they do for tobacco and boos
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if you take over 40 grams of creatine a day you can caus eliver and kidney failure so there goes that theory
and as too women youaretalking about something that shouldn;t be in their system in the first place
Neither should teenagers, but you seem to have broken that rule.
There is no study that I have seen regarding creatine and liver or kidney damage...I don`t take creatine either so I really don`t care hahah.
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Why it is ok that millions of children are put on mind altering drugs (ritalin) etc. simply because most of them are on a sugar high from eating pop tarts for breakfast every morning but taking steroids makes you the equal of a cocaine addict. It's ridiculous.
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I read that the Russian mafia controlled the steroid market in New York - apparently they kept fakes off the streets
where did you read that?
watch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5527847173427564456 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5527847173427564456)
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so are alcohol and ciragerrets. the gov't could easy control their sales like they do for tobacco and boos
Thats what the government does now...They control the regulation of prescribed drugs.
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Why it is ok that millions of children are put on mind altering drugs (ritalin) etc. simply because most of them are on a sugar high from eating pop tarts for breakfast every morning but taking steroids makes you the equal of a cocaine addict. It's ridiculous.
You cannot compare two totally different drugs in that sense. Ritalin isn`t prescribed in the same way steroids are.
There are doctors who won`t prescribe Ritalin.
If you can demonstrate a medical need for steroids, then you can have them.
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One word - ignorance. :-X
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I may be going out on a limb but I think more people are on Ritalin than AAS in the US. People think it's okay to create a disease (ADD) and prescribe drugs but people who want to better their body cannot use the available tools.
You are missing the point again. If you can demonstrate a need for steroids, you can get them.
Penicillin is relatively harmless yet is still prescription. So are mild acne creams and things.
Those have less of a reason to be prescription than Anabolic steroids do, yet you don`t bitch about them...You just want something to serve your wish.
Hormones are too powerful for casual use plain and simple.
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You cannot compare two totally different drugs in that sense. Ritalin isn`t prescribed in the same way steroids are.
There are doctors who won`t prescribe Ritalin.
If you can demonstrate a medical need for steroids, then you can have them.
TA, I agree with you to a point. There is no medical need to smoke or drink to excess, but those are freedoms that we've established we should have the right to participate in. Why can't someone take steroids simply because it's something they choose to do? Smoking related diseases kill 400,000 people a year in the USA. You have to be extremely reckless to do any long term harm with steroids. You can kill yourself in one night with the right amount of cocaine, heroine, etc. and kill yourself slowly with smoking. I don't smoke and I don't take steroids but I think they both should be legal in a country that prides itself on having so much freedom.
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Steroids are dangerous if not used properly, so they are illegal to keep people who would abuse them, safe.
Plus being that most of them are injected with a syringe, infections are possible and can lead to amputations, again if misused.
I don't know of anything that you inject with a syringe that is over the counter.
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Drugs like heroin and cocaine cause a different state of mind that could be dangerous, also they are highly addictive. I can understand why they are illegal. Of course a very strong case could be made that alcohol and nicotine do the same but aren't illegal.
What affect do steroids cause that make them illegal? Of course they have certain side effects but mainly they build muscle. Why would a substance our bodies produce (testosterone) be illegal in synthetic form?
When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.
It is illegal because it is only way to restrain using of steroids. So simple. If they were legal, every mother f*ucking teenager would use them, and teach using to their little brothers and little sisters. Result from this would be millions of abnormally growth children, massive epidemic of different kind of disorders at children's 8 to 15 years old and outcome would be massive bunch of muscle midgets...and how do you like the idea, that all those morons which you bullied in your schooldays would be bigger and stronger than you, and spank your skinny ass with every way they can? ;D ;D :o
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Exactly why are steroids illegal?
When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.
Expecting laws to have any logic behind them is where you're making your mistake... laws are passed for political reasons, not logical ones.
Like most really stupid laws, this one likely started with dumb overprotective mothers who got the sensationalism-seeking media to manipulate other dumb overprotective mothers.
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If you are talking to me....sorry, ADD is just an excuse for lazy parents who don't want to discipline their kids.
The same can be said for the people who go to the Doctor for a cough.
Or because they are depressed.
Going to the doctor and saying, "I want a 20 inch arm" just seems silly, doesn`t it.
I think its a little sillier than asking if there is a way for my child to be able to focus, although I do think Ritalin is just as absurd in some cases.
A lot of people on this board are on depression medication, would you tell them that their diagnosis is less important than your quest for a 20 inch arm?
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Steroids are dangerous if not used properly, so they are illegal to keep people who would abuse them, safe.
Safe? Safe from what - hurting themselves? If that's your point, I get it. The same way I get people who drink [liver damage] or smoke [lung cancer]. That's all on them.
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Trust me, I needed acne creams when I was younger and I saw a PA for them, not an MD. I did bitch especially when I had to get my acne pills sent to me when I went to college. Trust me, it was a hassle. I understand your point but we allow many other bodily changes that are not necessary and far more dangerous (i.e any plastic surgery). If you have the money, you can get what you want (within limits). Women inject botox (a derivative of the toxin botulin) and paralize parts of their body. See what I'm getting at? We have similar view points but differ too.
Plastic surgery and botox injections are totally different than steroid use.
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You are missing the point. Creatine isn`t a drug prescribed by a physician.
Steroids are illegal because they are simply TOO powerful on the human system. Look at how bad it alters women. The health problems DO exist. Are you forgetting about Tom Prince, Don Long and a whole list of others?
Steroids are not childrens vitamins.
do we know for sure that juice caused the kidney problems? flex wheelers kidney problem is/ was genetic and would have come to the surface eventually. he is watching this as he has a son and could have the disease(i dont remember what it was at the moment).
what about primo and anavar. mild sides if any. you can go blind from viagra.
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TA - we all know you're anti-steroid, whatever... but even you have to admit that treating steroid users in the same manner as cokeheads and heroin junkies is ridiculous!
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Safe? Safe from what - hurting themself? If that's your point, I get it. The same way I get people who drink [liver damage] or smoke [lung cancer]. That's all on them.
Do you really think people are educated enough to know which steroids to inject?
Come on. Don`t be stupid. How many posts have you read where newbies are fucking themselves up, combining shit and just outright abusing.
You fail to realize how powerful these drugs are. Alcohol and Ciggerates are very dangerous,but are not like steroids in that they are a medicine with a dosage and an immediate effect. Alcohol and Ciggerates don`t have an immediate body altering effect. Alcohol and Ciggerates are also not used to treat disease and have no medical value.
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BTW, going on roids does not always equal 20 inch arm size although that is what most people think. Honestly, I would tell my doc that I train extremely hard and need an aid to recover because diet and sleep will not allow me to recover properly.
You just said Depression can be overcome without medication.
Don`t you think that recovering from a simple diet and workout can be done without steroids...Come on, you are talking silly.
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You just said Depression can be overcome without medication.
Don`t you think that recovering from a simple diet and workout can be done without steroids...Come on, you are talking silly.
Plus I doubt you are pushing yourself hard enough to even justify that.
If any athlete would need steroids it damn sure isn`t a gym rat with a Y card membership, it would be a marathon runner or endurance athlete. You don`t need it.
They don`t even need it.
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Yes, and because you administer most steroids with a syringe, it makes them even more dangerous because people don't know about aspirating and can inject into a blood vessel.
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do we know for sure that juice caused the kidney problems? flex wheelers kidney problem is/ was genetic and would have come to the surface eventually. he is watching this as he has a son and could have the disease(i dont remember what it was at the moment).
what about primo and anavar. mild sides if any. you can go blind from viagra.
Funny how I can`t seem to find any athletes with kidney problems in any other sport really that the ratio of bodybuilders have had.
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Yes, and because you administer most steroids with a syringe, it makes them even more dangerous because people don't know about aspirating and can inject into a blood vessel.
Mountain climbing and hang-gliding are also very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
Are we going to make them illegal next?
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Do you really think people are educated enough to know which steroids to inject?
Come on. Don`t be stupid. How many posts have you read where newbies are fucking themselves up, combining shit and just outright abusing.
You fail to realize how powerful these drugs are. Alcohol and Ciggerates are very dangerous,but are not like steroids in that they are a medicine with a dosage and an immediate effect. Alcohol and Ciggerates don`t have an immediate body altering effect. Alcohol and Ciggerates are also not used to treat disease and have no medical value.
TA that's exactly the point. You would never go to your Dr. and ask for some cigarettes and beer, yet you can't go to your Dr. and ask for a couple bottles of Anavar to help you recover during an especially hard training period? See the point we're trying to make here. Steroids in moderate dosages DO have health benefits. It's been proven time and time again that moderate dosages of steroids are beneficial to weight trainers and the side effects, if any, are temporary.
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Mountain climbing and hang-gliding are also very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
Are we going to make them illegal next?
They don`t involve taking drugs.
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They don`t involve taking drugs.
What's that got to do with anything?
"drugs"= "evil"?
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TA that's exactly the point. You would never go to your Dr. and ask for some cigarettes and beer, yet you can't go to your Dr. and ask for a couple bottles of Anavar to help you recover during an especially hard training period? See the point we're trying to make here. Steroids in moderate dosages DO have health benefits. It's been proven time and time again that moderate dosages of steroids are beneficial to weight trainers and the side effects, if any, are temporary.
You are not pushing your body to even justify that you need them to recover. You ARE recovering. There is no baseline dosage for people looking for health benefits. What happens when the 200 mg doesn`t do anything for you? You are going to want 400, then 600 and so on.
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A disease of the mind is different than simple body break down. You can't fight hunger (life or death) and tell your body that it won't die.
You could make the argument that you have a disease of the mind for wanting steroids. You feel like you aren`t big enough,lean enough or good enough.
I don`t get your point.
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if you take over 40 grams of creatine a day you can caus eliver and kidney failure so there goes that theory
and as too women youaretalking about something that shouldn;t be in their system in the first place
Funny you mention that because in high school I had a friend who did the loading phase for creatine for 6 months straight! And was taking prohormones, his liver shut down and he had to go to the hospital. He wasn't the brightest of the group, he only trained biceps and chest.
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TA is arguing whether steroids are "good" or "bad".
Everyone else is arguing whether they should be legal or illegal.
It's NOT the same argument.
While everything TA is saying about steroids being "dangerous" or "bad" may or may not be true, I utterly reject the notion that in a free society someone else had the right to tell me what I can or can't put into my own body if it doesn't effect them.
TA made his own decision about steroids, as is his right. He doesn't, however, have the right to make mine for me as well.
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You are not pushing your body to even justify that you need them to recover. You ARE recovering. There is no baseline dosage for people looking for health benefits. What happens when the 200 mg doesn`t do anything for you? You are going to want 400, then 600 and so on.
There's no basline need for alcohol or cigarettes either. You can go to the store tonight buy a bottle of aspirin, take the whole bottle and possibly die. Why doesn't this happen more often? People use their "judgement". Just like most sane people would do with steroids. And even if they didn't use judgement, it's on them. This is a free country. If you can take a pill to get your dick hard, end a pregnancy, or mute an over exhuberent kid why can't you take a pill to make you gains 20 pounds of muscle. This is America and we should be free to do what we want, within reason. There are always going to be people who make the wrong decision to drink too much, smoke too much, and take too much Anadrol but that shouldn't keep the rest of us who would use them reasonably from being able to do so.
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People increase that because they don't cycle off. THink of it this way. If you drink alot for a period of time and then stop. When you start drinking again, your tolerance is lower than it would be than if you never stopped drinking. That's right, pro football players die from heart disease and other bodily ailments due to weight. Should they put a weight cap in the NFL?
They have taken measures in the NFL for obesity. That doesn`t matter though. Its not like they are using a medically prescibed substance to alter their chemistry and physiology. They are using bacon and butter. :)
Regarding steroids, how come none of your heros use a low dosage then? Do you think perhaps they are irresponsible and have gotten immune to a low dosage and the fact that a low dosage only would get you so far.
What if you decided to take 200 mg or whatever and nothing happened. What do you do then? Up the dose like most would? Do you see how quickly this becomes a problem?
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If you take too much potassium you can die. Dumb people with the wrong compounds equal harm.
He was quite dumb, granted he did have huge biceps and big chest, but no back shoulders and had bird legs.
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My point is that the body can only recover so fast with food and sleep but with depression the mind can cure it because it is not really a life and death situation. This isn't a discussion about addictive personalities. Sorry. You see what I mean?
Depression CAN BE a life and death situation. Many people would have NOT committed suicide had they been on some kind of medication. It IS saving lives everyday. So it can be in fact a potential life and death situation.
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TA is arguing whether steroids are "good" or "bad".
Everyone else is arguing whether they should be legal or illegal.
It's NOT the same argument.
While everything TA is saying about steroids being "dangerous" or "bad" may or may not be true, I utterly reject the notion that in a free society someone else had the right to tell me what I can or can't put into my own body if it doesn't effect them.
TA made his own decision about steroids, as is his right. He doesn't, however, have the right to make mine for me as well.
They are illegal for good reason. You really think people should be able to go to the store and just pick them up with their groceries?
You think people are educated enough on the chemical compounds to just freely do that?
Even pros are fucking themselves up and they should be the most experienced users.
You are being delusional.
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They are illegal for good reason. You really think people should be able to go to the store and just pick them up with their groceries?
You think people are educated enough on the chemical compounds to just freely do that?
Even pros are fucking themselves up and they should be the most experienced users.
You are being delusional.
I wasn't arguing that steroids are a good thing. I was arguing that just because something (anything) is dangerous does not mean it should necessarily be illegal. We have too many fuccking laws as it is, and it's just getting worse every day. Orwell was right... he was just off by a few decades. :(
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There's no basline need for alcohol or cigarettes either. You can go to the store tonight buy a bottle of aspirin, take the whole bottle and possibly die. Why doesn't this happen more often? People use their "judgement". Just like most sane people would do with steroids. And even if they didn't use judgement, it's on them. This is a free country. If you can take a pill to get your dick hard, end a pregnancy, or mute an over exhuberent kid why can't you take a pill to make you gains 20 pounds of muscle. This is America and we should be free to do what we want, within reason. There are always going to be people who make the wrong decision to drink too much, smoke too much, and take too much Anadrol but that shouldn't keep the rest of us who would use them reasonably from being able to do so.
I can`t get a prescription for Viagra. No doctor would prescribe it for me knowing that there is no reason for its use. You can`t just pick abortion drugs at the Wal-Mart pharmacy...You are not making sense.
Aspirin does not alter the body like a steroid does. Steroids seriously alter the composition of the body, physiologically and chemically. Its not Aspirin or Children`s vitamins.
There are TONS of different steroids as well. Each have different effects and different levels of danger and affect different mechanisms in the body. You can`t just say, "lets legalize steroids". There is too much shit out there.
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Stupidity kills people not steroids. People that are impatient and uneducated are the ones who end up with all the symptoms while going against all the suggested advice. I think roid rage is associated with dumbasses that always let things go to their heads. I have had friends on juice and most of them are more calm and laid back when they are on. Beer doesn't kill you but taking things too far can really endanger yourself and others. Guns don't kill people, stupid people with guns do. While I don't think they should be in sports, I don't really have a preference if they are in bodybuilding or not. The object in bodybuilding is to get the muscles to respond as much as possible and steroids help do that along with other things. Much like racing cars, some people pay the price but such is life.
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I can`t get a prescription for Viagra. No doctor would prescribe it for me. You can`t just pick abortion drugs at the Wal-Mart pharmacy...You are not making sense.
No one is saying sell them OTC. Just decriminalize them... put them in the same category as antibiotics (or viagara for that matter). Put them back under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA and cops. You can't just walk up and buy pennicillin OTC, but the DEA isn't trying to bust you for it, and you won't go to jail for it either. ::)
BTW - This is the way it always was with steroids prior to 1992.
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Mountain climbing and hang-gliding are also very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
Are we going to make them illegal next?
That's a bad analogy. Driving your car is also dangerous, or getting out of bed. Accidents happen, but injecting steriods is not an accident.
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No one is saying sell them OTC. Just decriminalize them... put them in the same category as antibiotics (or viagara for that matter). Put them back under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA and cops. You can't just walk up and buy pennicillin OTC, but the DEA isn't trying to bust you for it, and you won't go to jail for it either. ::)
BTW - This is the way it always was with steroids prior to 1992.
They ARE in the same category.
People aren`t selling Penicillin from the trunks of their cars behind gyms either...There isn`t a local Penicillin dealer trying to cash in.
THAT my friend is when the DEA gets involved. Or they get involved when it becomes a problem.
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Taking too many pills in general can f**k up your liver but we don't ban pills.
Really? my local walmart didn't carry Vicodin last time I went in to look for it after I ran out.
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i know more than few individuals that collect hormones,,meaning obsessed with getting anything on the market,,anything that sounds promised and many same products but simply from diff manufactors/companies. it is like when someone collect stamps or cards only with drugs ;)
the reason why steroids are illeagal is not because how risky they are (we all have testosterone in our body),,it is because,, if you make steroids legal it will create a demand for other drugs to become legal. why not making pain killers legal?? why not making weed cocaine legal so you can feel everything is ok when its not? every group of people will want "their" favorite drugs to become legal,,and yes steroids are prescribed drugs for this specific reason.
side effects are prominent with steroids and the abuse of those drugs will bring them out greatly,,the ones who wish to take the risk can find steroids and other bodybuilding hormones perfectly easily with zero problem and minimum risk from le. the bodybuilding industry and life style is too big for anything to stop it,,as long as we keep it to ourselves and not demaging society.
i doubt you will break any athletic records now days with out synthetic hormones running through your system. i also doubt you could do it 20 years ago during carl louis and ben johnson era if you were not on performance enhancing drugs.
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Ya but kids in college try and sell Ritalin and Adderall in college to kids who want to study. They are trying to cash in off their scripts. I had a complete stranger offer me pills at $5 a pop (an offer i declined) for Adderall. Don't tell me people are not cashing in on prescription drugs other than AAS.
Report it then. That is the same as someone trying to sell steroids, a medically prescribed substance.
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I can see it now. Mandatory castration becomes reality... sooner or later.
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If it meant crack, coke, meth, etc were legal I would never want AAS legal w/o script. I just think that it shouldn't be as hard to get roids through a doctor if you want. Think of the argument made a while back about AAS use for military, LEO, firefighter. It is valid for the job and amount of stress incurred. People receive the same treatment for depression, anxiety, ADD but not for the legitimate bodily stresses the human body takes. Hope this clarifies my point of view.
The military doesn`t need steroids. hahahahah
You are being silly again. They don`t do anything that strenuous and the ones that do, are well enough trained that they don`t need a thing. Plus it would be a liability for the government to just start giving them steroids and they wouldn`t put themselves in an unneccsary position to foster drug use.
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The military doesn`t need steroids. hahahahah
You are being silly again. They don`t do anything that strenuous and the ones that do, are well enough trained that they don`t need a thing. Plus it would be a liability for the government to just start giving them steroids and they wouldn`t put themselves in an unneccsary position to foster drug use.
They need better body armor and more effective technological weapons well before sustanon 250 amps...You are being silly again.
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Spec Ops dude. The toll their bodies take is alot more than that of the average grunt. You would be surprised how muscle wasting goes on in war. I knew a Marine who got sent home from Kosovo because he couldn't keep weight on in the no sleep, little food, high intensity fighting he did in war.
Steroids aren`t gonna do shit if you don`t have anything to eat.
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Originally used to prevent muscle wasting in groups such as AIDs and Cancer patients.
When coupled with sound nutrition.
Steroids increase protein synthesis. Without calories there is nothing to synthesize. Steroids alone won`t be very effective for a starving soldier.
Food will though. There is no reason for the US armed forces to employ the usage of steroids. None at all.
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# deaths directly caused by alcohol abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by tobacco use/abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by marjuana/hashish -- zero
# deaths directly caused by steroid use/abuse -- 0, zero, null
alcohol, tobacco -- legal
steroids, marjuana -- illegal
You guys can argue as much as you want. Nothing will change the reality that substances way more dangerous than steroids are legal in this country. Oh by the way pain killers and other drugs are only nominally illegal, it's very easy to get prescriptions for them.
Hyprocrisy at the nth power...
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i know more than few individuals that collect hormones,,meaning obsessed with getting anything on the market,,anything that sounds promised and many same products but simply from diff manufactors/companies. it is like when someone collect stamps or cards only with drugs ;)
the reason why steroids are illeagal is not because how risky they are (we all have testosterone in our body),,it is because,, if you make steroids legal it will create a demand for other drugs to become legal. why not making pain killers legal?? why not making weed cocaine legal so you can feel everything is ok when its not? every group of people will want "their" favorite drugs to become legal,,and yes steroids are prescribed drugs for this specific reason.
side effects are prominent with steroids and the abuse of those drugs will bring them out greatly,,the ones who wish to take the risk can find steroids and other bodybuilding hormones perfectly easily with zero problem and minimum risk from le. the bodybuilding industry and life style is too big for anything to stop it,,as long as we keep it to ourselves and not demaging society.
i doubt you will break any athletic records now days with out synthetic hormones running through your system. i also doubt you could do it 20 years ago during carl louis and ben johnson era if you were not on performance enhancing drugs.
Of course you want them to be illegal, if steroids could be bought over the counter you'd be out of a job. People have died from overdoses of painkillers and cocaine. No one has ever died from an overdose of steroids.
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http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2908621023073531157&q=what+if+drugs+were+legal (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=2908621023073531157&q=what+if+drugs+were+legal)
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Of course you want them to be illegal, if steroids could be bought over the counter you'd be out of a job. People have died from overdoses of painkillers and cocaine. No one has ever died from an overdose of steroids.
this would be a smart sentence if i wasnt in total control (with very few others) of the chinease hormone powder market (the one that sell to a number of REAL pharma companies not to ug labs;),,the one where the powder delivered to you is what it's supposed to be and stand up to standards % wize) so it wouldnt matter to me wether hormones become legal or not,, i actually would prefer it to be legal i would make 10 times the profit.
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Drugs like heroin and cocaine cause a different state of mind that could be dangerous, also they are highly addictive. I can understand why they are illegal. Of course a very strong case could be made that alcohol and nicotine do the same but aren't illegal.
What affect do steroids cause that make them illegal? Of course they have certain side effects but mainly they build muscle. Why would a substance our bodies produce (testosterone) be illegal in synthetic form?
When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.
As of today steroids are developed/used to help sick people with serious medical conditions not healthy athletes... maybe in decades to come steroids will have lost their bad-name and instead just be another 'cosmetic' used to look buff on the beach.
I mean, if women can have all these procedures on their bodies, why can't us men??? Its just a matter of the media de-mystifying the stigma surrounding steroids through a positive spin and activism to show steroids in low dosages can actually assist with health and wellbeing.
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Do you really think people are educated enough to know which steroids to inject?
newbies are fucking themselves up, combining shit and just outright abusing.
Alcohol and Ciggerates don`t have an immediate body altering effect.
Do I think people are educated enough about this? That's where ignorance jumps in.
Combining shit and just outright abusing? Again - ignorance.
Sure, alcohol may not have an 'immediate' body altering effect - just an 'immediate' mind altering effect [which isn't any better].
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Drugs like heroin and cocaine cause a different state of mind that could be dangerous, also they are highly addictive. I can understand why they are illegal. Of course a very strong case could be made that alcohol and nicotine do the same but aren't illegal.
What affect do steroids cause that make them illegal? Of course they have certain side effects but mainly they build muscle. Why would a substance our bodies produce (testosterone) be illegal in synthetic form?
When you really think about it the fact that they're against the law seems rather pointless.
Easy. Because they work! You can recoop from injuries, you get bigger, stronger, loose fat, gain muscle, etc. Can you imagine what the general public would look like if they were legal? Plus, you always have people who abuse the shit out of them and that is what causes health problems. Its like ephedrine. It was fine till some kid decided to take 10 a day and his heart went ape-shit. ALl of a sudden it became banned. Even medical doctors will tell you that the body can tolerate a small sensible dose of AAS. Its the serial abusers and their health problems that have made these drugs illegal. Just my opinion.
PB
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Ben Johnson beat the American in the Olympics. It was time to crack down and show that America is anti-steroids.
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Do I think people are educated enough about this? That's where ignorance jumps in.
Combining shit and just outright abusing? Again - ignorance.
Sure, alcohol may not have an 'immediate' body altering effect - just an 'immediate' mind altering effect [which isn't any better].
Alcohol when it effects the mind is a immediate body altering effect. Ciggarettes destroy the lungs as well has a immediate mind altering effect. You can take a whole bottle of test in one day and be fine, you will not die. Side effects will be greatly enhanced but you will not die. Drink too much and CNS depresson can result. Take a half bottle of Acetaminophen and liver damage will result. Take a half bottle of aspirin and you will have a good chance to bleed to death.
Steroids used effectively and efficiently are beneficial, and abused takes time to develop symptoms. Even when severly abused. Alcohol can kill you in one fatal dose, as can tylenol as can aspirin and a whole slew of OTC drugs. Not one person has died directly from steroid use that can be verified, not one. Millions have died from alcohol and ciggarrettes. How can you blast Steroids when you probably drink and use alcohol which is a drug that kills on a daily basis?
Most people who are chiming in on this forum don't know what they are talking about. Period.
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great, we're going to have 18 pages of trying to justify cheating and taking the easy way out. How American...
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if you wanna know why STEROIDS are illegal, go on a cycle for 12months nonstop, and come back here, and we'll discuss this matter... ;D ;D ;D
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it's how Ben Weider made the supplement industry HUGE!!!! what are the figures for weight loss supplement sales alone in 2005??
siht like zantrax that does shit all nothing for you except feed the coporate supplement beast!!
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if you wanna know why STEROIDS are illegal, go on a cycle for 12months nonstop, and come back here, and we'll discuss this matter... ;D ;D ;D
Okay, whay if you try McDonalds for 12 months nonstop and then we can discuss...
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Alcohol when it effects the mind is a immediate body altering effect. Ciggarettes destroy the lungs as well has a immediate mind altering effect. You can take a whole bottle of test in one day and be fine, you will not die. Side effects will be greatly enhanced but you will not die. Drink too much and CNS depresson can result. Take a half bottle of Acetaminophen and liver damage will result. Take a half bottle of aspirin and you will have a good chance to bleed to death.
Steroids used effectively and efficiently are beneficial, and abused takes time to develop symptoms. Even when severly abused. Alcohol can kill you in one fatal dose, as can tylenol as can aspirin and a whole slew of OTC drugs. Not one person has died directly from steroid use that can be verified, not one. Millions have died from alcohol and ciggarrettes. How can you blast Steroids when you probably drink and use alcohol which is a drug that kills on a daily basis?
Most people who are chiming in on this forum don't know what they are talking about. Period.
Tell this to The True Adonis.
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Title: A bill to amend the Controlled Substances Act to further restrict the use of steroids and human growth hormones.
Sponsor: Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [DE] (introduced 11/1/1989) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.5269
Latest Major Action: 11/19/1990 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health and the Environment.
Jump to: Summary, Major Actions, All Actions, Titles, Cosponsors, Committees, Related Bill Details, AmendmentsAbstracts
SUMMARY AS OF:
10/24/1990--Passed Senate, amended. (There are 2 other summaries)
Steroid Trafficking Act of 1990 - Title I: Anabolic Steroids - Amends the Controlled Substances Act to add anabolic steroids to Schedule II.
Allows any prescription for anabolic steroids subject to refill on or after the date of enactment of this Act to be refilled without restrictions under certain provisions of the Controlled Substances Act.
Requires the Attorney General, upon the recommendation of the Secretary of Health and Human Services, to issue regulations that exempt any compound, mixture, or preparation containing a substance covered by this Act from the application of the Controlled Substances Act if, because of its concentration, preparation, mixture, or delivery system, it has no significant potential for abuse. Exempts, at a minimum, estrogens, progestins and corticosteroids.
Provides that if a drug listed under this Act is approved by the Food and Drug Administration as an accepted treatment for a rare disease or condition, and it does not have a significant potential for abuse, the Attorney General may exempt it from any production regulations necessary to ensure adequate supplies of such drug for medical purposes.
Title II: Human Growth Hormone - Amends the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act to increase the criminal fine and imprisonment penalties for knowing distribution of, or possession with intent to distribute, human growth hormone for any use in humans other than treatment of a recognized disease or other medical condition (currently, a recognized disease) pursuant to the order of a physician. Increases the penalties if the offense involves (currently, if the distribution or intended distribution is to) an individual under the age of 18 years. Declares a violation a felony violation of the Controlled Substances Act for purposes of forfeiture.
Authorizes the Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate such offenses.
Repeals provisions of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 relating to forfeiture and illegal trafficking in steroids or a human growth hormone.
Title III: Free Speech - Amends provisions of the Federal criminal code relating to racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations to declare that "racketeering activity" does not include participation in, or the organization or support of, any nonviolent demonstration, assembly, protest, rally, or similar form of public speech.
MAJOR ACTIONS: lÁp
11/1/1989 Introduced/originated in Senate
8/30/1990 Committee on Judiciary. Reported to Senate by Senator Biden under the authority of the order of Aug 2, 90 with an amendment in the nature of a substitute. With written report No. 101-433.
10/24/1990 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Voice Vote.
11/19/1990 Referred to House subcommittee: Referred to the Subcommittee on Health and the Environment.
only way supplement companies can make money---wasnt Weider one of the first supplement companies??
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They ARE in the same category.
No, they're not in the same category. You don't have a very good understanding of the law in this area. There is a difference between a controlled substance and a simple prescription drug (which one a drug is depends on it's "schedule" in the law).
Antibiotics and Viagra are prescription drugs, but NOT controlled substances.
Steroids and painkillers are BOTH prescription drugs and controlled substances.
Heroin and marijuana are controlled substances but not prescription drugs.
Here's the difference: Controlled substances (whether they're prescription drugs or not) fall under the jurisdiction of the DEA, and are subject to serious scrutiny. The penalties for unauthorized use or distribution are severe, and police agencies have dedicated units actively investigating abuse of these substances.
Simple prescription drugs that are not controlled substances fall under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA, and no law enforcement agency actively investigates or even gives two shits about them. While technically illegal to possess w/o a prescription, nobody really cares.
Prior to the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1992, steroids were prescription drugs, but not controlled substances. Since then, they are controlled substances like cocaine and heroin.
Hope this helps.
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No, they're not in the same category. You don't have a very good understanding of the law in this area. There is a difference between a controlled substance and a simple prescriftion drug (which one a drug is depends on it's "schedule" in the law).
Antibiotics and viagara are prescription drugs, but NOT controlled substances.
Steroids and painkillers are BOTH prescription drugs and controlled substances.
Heroin and marijuana are controlled substances but not prescription drugs.
Here's the difference: Controlled substances (whether they're prescription drugs or not) fall under the jurisdiction of the DEA, and are subject to serious scrutiny. The penalties for unauthorized use or distribution are severe, and police agencies have dedicated untis actively investigating abuse of these substances.
Simple prescription drugs that are not controlled substances fall under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA, and no law enforcement agency actively investigates or even gives two shits about them. While technically illegal to possess w/o a prescription, nobody really cares.
Prior to the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1992, steroids were prescription drugs, but not controlled substances. Since then, they are controlled substances like cocaine and heroin.
Hope this helps.
Thank you for explaining that to The True Adonis. ;D
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Steroids are dangerous if not used properly, so they are illegal to keep people who would abuse them, safe.
Plus being that most of them are injected with a syringe, infections are possible and can lead to amputations, again if misused.
I don't know of anything that you inject with a syringe that is over the counter.
then why is alcohol and tobacco legal? when was the last time you heard in the news someone was killed by a drunk steriod abuser? Isurance is sky high becasue people who have smoked for 40 years rack up huge medical bills becasue they now have cancer....
....they are both abused more than any drugs and they ARE drugs, it is that both industires got congress to make them "legal"
I think steriods should be legal and the government could tax them for extra revenue
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# deaths directly caused by alcohol abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by tobacco use/abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by marjuana/hashish -- zero
# deaths directly caused by steroid use/abuse -- 0, zero, null
alcohol, tobacco -- legal
steroids, marjuana -- illegal
You guys can argue as much as you want. Nothing will change the reality that substances way more dangerous than steroids are legal in this country. Oh by the way pain killers and other drugs are only nominally illegal, it's very easy to get prescriptions for them.
Hyprocrisy at the nth power...
Amen ;)
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Amen ;)
perfect post
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# deaths directly caused by alcohol abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by tobacco use/abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by marjuana/hashish -- zero
# deaths directly caused by steroid use/abuse -- 0, zero, null
alcohol, tobacco -- legal
steroids, marjuana -- illegal
You guys can argue as much as you want. Nothing will change the reality that substances way more dangerous than steroids are legal in this country. Oh by the way pain killers and other drugs are only nominally illegal, it's very easy to get prescriptions for them.
Hyprocrisy at the nth power...
Tigerman, being a physician, I concur that alcohol and tobacco are infinitely more dangerous. However, it is false that steroids have not been associated with deaths. For one, their effects are indirect, thus the true cause of death is cardiac arrest, liver failure, hepatitis, etc. Thus, while you are true that not many death certificates are going to proclaim steroids the primary cause of death; they are definitely linked. Look at it this way; bodybuilders oftentimes take steroids in quantities that far exceed prescription dosing. They may even share needles with each other. Thus, they are increased risk of things like heart disease and liver failure (read about steroids and those two side effects; they are undeniable). Moreover, the dipshits who share needles (and you know they are out there) are increasing their risk of hepatitis B and C, both which can lead to liver failure, hepatomas and death. Thus, although tobacco and alcohol are by far greater offenders; steroids (especially unmonitered steroid abuse) can be deadly. Also, remember that a lot of bodybuilders who dabble in steroids heavily also use GH, insulin, NSAIDS, ephedra, cortisol blockers, etc. It is a true appetite for disaster. However, if they legalized steroids and they were prescribed as indicated, I feel the risk probably minimal. Peace all.
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Im kind of old but can somebody explain to me why a person that murders somebody can get off quicker than a drug dealer?
Thanks :-\
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I dont see any point taking them;
You take them, you get huge/big, strong-
You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..
Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..
unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...
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While it's true Anabolic Steroids might be responsible for a few deaths from users who used excessive amounts. I would say that there have probably been more deaths from Asprin than from Anabolic Steroids.
Anabolic steroids(Like most drugs) are criminalized and demonized because of fear and ignorance.
That's it. Nothing more to say.
Why is Alcohol and Tobacco legal and Steroids and Marijuana not? Hypocrisy. Nothing more to say.
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I dont see any point taking them;
You take them, you get huge/big, strong-
You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..
Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..
unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...
yep. Good Post.
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I dont see any point taking them;
You take them, you get huge/big, strong-
You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..
Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..
unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...
You need to study more about the Endocrine system becuase you don't know much.
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The pharmaceudical companies would have made far more coin before they were banned - hell, some sold cases out the back door to local dealers (source: Anabolics 2006)
The FDA was against them being banned.
Romano did some very good articles about this subject a year or two ago.
It's all politics, pseudoscience, and fear mongering.
All it did was drive it underground, putting money in the hands of criminals and putting users at risk (violent dealers, counterfeits, etc . . .)
I read that the Russian mafia controlled the steroid market in New York - apparently they kept fakes off the streets
the good old russian mafia, where would we be without them
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I agree, aspirin, although a life saving medication, has been associated with numerous deaths secondary to GI bleeds. The question really should look at the number of users of steroids who medical side effects. Many millions of people use aspirin everyday; of course there are going to be deaths. However, the incidence is very low. Of the number of steroid abusers (not casual 1 mg test a week users), what percentage have serious medical side effects. I don't think we have a good answer, as most of them do not use under medical supervision. Also, there have been no prospective, double-blind studies done to compare it to placebo. All of the data is anecdotal. Thus, those of you who deny the risk of steroids are basically uneducated fools who are sticking their heads in the sand. If you want to play the game, at least be reasonably intelligent and get your chemistries checked. Stupidity and ignorance are the reasons people have serious side effects. My two cents.
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Why it is ok that millions of children are put on mind altering drugs (ritalin) etc. simply because most of them are on a sugar high from eating pop tarts for breakfast every morning but taking steroids makes you the equal of a cocaine addict. It's ridiculous.
GREAT EXAMPLE!!!
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I dont see any point taking them;
You take them, you get huge/big, strong-
You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..
Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..
unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...
THE SAME CAN BE SAID OF ALCOHOL:
you take some drinks, you feel good for a while.
you stop drinking, the buzz goes away and youre left with a headache. meanwhile, you pissed $$$ down the toilet, and caused some damage to internal organs to boot.
waste of money, waste of individuals health..yet as popular as anything in this world you can think of!
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Here is one of the main reasons why steroids are illegal....law enforcement for years has had an abnormal fear that if people are "BIGGER STRONGER FASTER" they (COPS) will be at a disadvantage in capturing supposed criminals. You can hear the mindset of police when you either engage them face to face on the matter or if you ever watch some of these shows on channels like Discovery, TLC etc that focus on prisons and prisoners. The one fear that is always expressed is the fact that the cops are afraid of the men especially one they have been working out for some time and have become muscle bound. They fear the thought of having to engage them because of their size and strength....which steroids would amplify. Given the minimal societal risks of steroids...unlike alcohol and certain drugs, there should be no restrictions, but there must be warnings. If being concerned about ones health were the reasons for restrictions, then such things as cigarretts, alcohol, many prescription medications many over the counter medications, most household cleaning products, paints adn paint products, benzene, acetone, all petroleum derived products from gasoline to kerosine, etc etc etc WOULD HAVE RESTRICTIONS on them and would be classified as ILLEGAL... but I can buy/get any and all of them with no problem. All of these products not only have potentially detrimental effects on the user, they can cause the user to engage in criminal activity should they have the desire to do societal harm...TERRY MCNICHOLLS & TIMOTHY MCVEIGH are examples of using common products to commit a crime...yet no restrictions have been placed on the products they used to bomb a building and kill many people. Now argument scan go on forever in regards to the illegality of something...something is ilegal only if there is no one to grease the palm of an official to make that illegal thing commonplace. Believe me when I say the alcohol industry greases the palm of many representatives to make alciohol consumption "LEGAL"...pharmaceutical industry greases the palm of officials to make their DANGEROUS drugs "LEGAL" and let me not have to tell any of you about the TOBACCO industry which despite the deaths of hundreds of thousand s of people every year from their product...one can still purchase it at any store.
Someone needs to grease someones palm to make steroids...legal/commonplace.
Maybe we should let ADONIS do it.
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I agree, aspirin, although a life saving medication, has been associated with numerous deaths secondary to GI bleeds. The question really should look at the number of users of steroids who medical side effects. Many millions of people use aspirin everyday; of course there are going to be deaths. However, the incidence is very low. Of the number of steroid abusers (not casual 1 mg test a week users), what percentage have serious medical side effects. I don't think we have a good answer, as most of them do not use under medical supervision. Also, there have been no prospective, double-blind studies done to compare it to placebo. All of the data is anecdotal. Thus, those of you who deny the risk of steroids are basically uneducated fools who are sticking their heads in the sand. If you want to play the game, at least be reasonably intelligent and get your chemistries checked. Stupidity and ignorance are the reasons people have serious side effects. My two cents.
Are you kidding? No studies. There are numerous studies on the subject. All the studies done are studies of bodybuilders and the effects of AS compared to Placebo.I agree most "abusers" or users in general should seek medical supervision no question about that, but there are numerous studies on the issue. I hope that you don't consider a gram of test a week as being "low". A gram of test a weeks constitutes abuse on anylevel. Anything way over baseline that is not needed to return testosterone to normal levels constitutes abuse. And a gram is abuse. Steroids and their being in the same class as heroin is a joke, surely being a fellow physician you see that. It should not be a schedule 3, not even close.
I wouldn't call almost 8000 deaths a year from NSAID's small. Compared to how many people use NSAIDS is a small percentage, but not a small number. The two are not the same. A million people use anabolic steroids in the US, most without supervison and the list of deaths are almost nonexistant. Now how many have heart attacks or Kidney failure is the question. Is it a direct cause of AS abuse, you bet it is. But the numbers are not near 8000, again not even close. A drug that is scheduled is a drug that has potential for abuse, which steroids do. But more importantly, have the ability to cause death directly. Not only indirectly. Steroids do not cause death directly. If you overdose on Heroin, CNS depression can occur, thus death ensues. Steroids do not share this ability with other narcotic anelgesics or simular scheduled medications. Now there are scheduled medications which this does not happen, and this does not apply or coarse. I think AS use in general by bodybuilders is not a smart decision, on any level period. Any self medicating and abuse of any medication is not smart and can prove fatal. If you do decide I agree and you should have a complete blood panel done on a monthly basis. Anabolics used efficiently and effectively under direct supervision of a health care professional that are not abused can be very safe. Anything that is abused can be harmful, AS is no exception.
I have not also in all my years in practice have a wide spread problem with my patients sharing needles and having hepatic trouble, that is a erban legend. Now it does happen, but very, very infrequently. You should know better. :-[
The most dangerous effect of anabolic steroids is on the cardiovascular system. No longitudinal studies have been conducted on the effect of anabolic steroids on cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. Most short term useage problems or "sudden" problems arise from the users already having a defect of the heart and rises in bloodpressure is the most likely culprit in problems associated with this condition. Anabolic steroid abuse is mostly cited as the the underlying culprit in most cases if not all cases. This is the most important reason in my opinion as if not under direct supervision how would you know if you have a defect that may be life threatening? Simply you don't. This is where the greatest problems arise from AS abuse. It takes much longer sometimes years of abuse otherwise for AS to have a damaging effect on abusers who do not have such pre-existing conditions of the cardiovascular system, this has been proven in numerous studies. Kidney damage is another problem, again associated with the rise in blood pressure associated with AS abuse as the kidneys play a important role in the control of blood pressure. Again, a precondition(defect) usually is already present that is not easily indenified by a individual unless under the direct supervision of a health care professional, and sometimes still goes undetected regardless.
Most of the investigations have been focused on risk factors for cardiovascular diseases, and in particular the effect of anabolic steroids on blood pressure and on plasma lipoproteins. In most cross-sectional studies serum cholesterol and triglycerides between drug-free users and non-users is not different. However, during anabolic steroid use total cholesterol tends to increase, while HDL-cholesterol demonstrates a marked decline, well below the normal range. Serum LDL-cholesterol shows a variable response: a slight increase or no change. The response of total cholesterol seems to be influenced by the type of training that is done by the athlete. When a great deal of the exercise consists of aerobic exercise, the increasing effect of AS is counterbalanced by an exercise-induced increasing effect, which may result in a net decline in total cholesterol. Aerobic training does not seem to be able to offset the steroid-induced decline in HDL-cholesterol and its subfractions HDL-2, and HDL-3.
The precise effect of anabolic steroids on LDL-cholesterol is unknown yet. It appears that anabolic steroids influence hepatic triglyceride lipase (HTL) and lipoprotein lipase (LPL). Males usually have higher levels of HTL, while females have higher LPL activity. HTL is primarily responsible for the clearance of HDL-cholesterol, while LPL takes care of cellular uptake of free fatty acids and glycerol. Androgens and anabolic steroids stimulate HTL, presumably resulting in decreased serum levels of HDL-cholesterol.
The effect of anabolic steroids on triglycerides is not well known. It is suggested that relatively low doses do not affect the serum triglyceride levels, while it cannot be excluded that higher doses elicit an increase.
There is evidence that the use of anabolic steroids does elicit structural changes in the heart and that the ischemic tolerance is decreased after steroid use. Echocardiographic studies in bodybuilders, using anabolic steroids, reported a mild hypertrophy of the left ventricle, with a decreased diastolic relaxation, resulting in a decreased diastolic filling. Some investigators have associated cardiomyopathy, myocardial infarction, and cerebro-vascular accidents with abuse of anabolic steroids. However, a possible causal relationship could not been proved, because longitudinal studies that are necessary to prove such a relationship, have not been conducted yet. There is convincing evidence that oral administration of anabolic steroids has stronger adverse effects on the mentioned variables than parenteral administration.
Although the effects of anabolic steroids have an unfavorable influence on the risk factors for cardiovascular disease, no data are available about the long term effects. Most of the mentioned effects appear to reverse within 6-8 weeks after abstention. It is unknown, however, whether the structural changes as reported in the heart, are reversible as well.
No unanimity exists about the influence of anabolic steroids on arterial blood pressure. The response is most probably dose dependent. There is some data suggesting that high doses increase diastolic blood pressure, whereas low doses fail to have a significant effect on diastolic blood pressure. Increases in diastolic blood pressure normalize within 6-8 weeks after abstinence from anabolic steroids. It appears that repeated intermittent use of anabolic steroids does not affect diastolic blood pressure during drug free periods. Not only do anabolic steroids play a role indirectly on the effects of erythropoeisis, but most importantly directly, but that is another topic for another time. Besides I am being paged, back to work. :'(