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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Dr. Shock on August 11, 2006, 02:56:58 AM
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Looks like the haters were wrong. The PDI is not going to be just a one off show:
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rock n roll!
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Good to see it has life.
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Great original names lol.
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Its being held in a shack in one of the roughest, most disgusting parts of England. Hackney is a shithole full of immigrant gangs and disease ridden filth. The US equivalent would be 'south central' [if it really is like that in the films]. Demillia obviously picked there because its cheap - but it won't attract many bodybuilding fans. If he'd gone for Birmingham it would have been a different story. Bodybuilding is much more poular there, and being in the centre of England no one has to travel very far - unlike London.
It will fail.
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Anyone on here going to compete? Hackney is hardly Knightsbridge but not quite as bad as UK-Gold makes out.I agree that a more central venue would be better-B'ham or Nottingham-but the fans will turn out in force and it will be a huge success 8)
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Anyone on here going to compete? Hackney is hardly Knightsbridge but not quite as bad as UK-Gold makes out.I agree that a more central venue would be better-B'ham or Nottingham-but the fans will turn out in force and it will be a huge success 8)
I was there recently and it is that bad! I will still probably go to the show, it all depends on the price and travel options. I hate the way big shows are usually put on in London - be it art exhibitions, concerts, lectures etc etc. I hate London.
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I was there recently and it is that bad! I will still probably go to the show, it all depends on the price and travel options. I hate the way big shows are usually put on in London - be it art exhibitions, concerts, lectures etc etc. I hate London.
I'd agree that Hackney is one of the worst boroughs in London but the theatre itself is great.
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Maybe no ninjas present in those neighborhoods, but a few football hooligans and some rugby players to kick the arse of some of the house hold names that will compete... ;D
Seriously though, one has to wonder what DeMilia is thinking when launching a competition in the possibly roughest neighbourhood in all of UK.
Is he looking to get a cancellation? Trying to get sponsors and athletes to invest money?
I seriously doubt he's so stupid that he will randomly put a show anywhere in UK, only to discover it is known as "Horrible Hackney".
DeMilia was/is an asshole in my book, but I don't consider him stupid. So having the show in Hackney seems strange.
http://www.upmystreet.com/local/police-crime/figures/l/hackney.html
http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/best&worst/best&worst_hackney.html
YIP
Zack
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omg i cant believe wat i am seeing. is that a stomach sweep. i havent seen a stomach sweep on a bb since lee haney!!!
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Someone left Vinny on Lee's dick by accident
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Someone left Vinny on Lee's dick by accident
DeMilia is sending a message to Galanti that he's gonna fcuk him up for leaving the PDI. ;D
I'm sure DeMilia will get lots of heat from some people for putting up people on the poster that aren't even gonna compete.
Since I doubt DeMilia will pay the trip over the pond, I'm sure you won't see Jack London or any of his fellow Americans compete there either.
Just a guess though. I have nothing of any substance on that.
YIP
Zack
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Looks like the haters were wrong. The PDI is not going to be just a one off show:
Just like the NOC, the show has to happen first. Afterwards, it will be the telling sign as to whether it can sink or swim.
BTW, why is Rhino the only person in the picture with his shirt on???? Is he fat or something right now??
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Vince, when you post pics of yourself, I wish you'd keep YOUR shirt on 8)
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That pic of Vinny is unreal, he has a big ass rib cage and a small waist to boot!!
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Its being held in a shack in one of the roughest, most disgusting parts of England. Hackney is a shithole full of immigrant gangs and disease ridden filth. The US equivalent would be 'south central' [if it really is like that in the films]. Demillia obviously picked there because its cheap - but it won't attract many bodybuilding fans. If he'd gone for Birmingham it would have been a different story. Bodybuilding is much more poular there, and being in the centre of England no one has to travel very far - unlike London.
It will fail.
Isn't the Forum in South Central?
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has the IFBB ever done that - a seminar with the competing pros, on the day of the show?
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has the IFBB ever done that - a seminar with the competing pros, on the day of the show?
It does sort of sound familiar...
I know it was one of the things Priest whined about when he dropped out of the Olympia.
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This was one of the very things Lee didn't like..."all the things he HAD to do" on Olympia day. I'd like to know if these guys are geting compensated for this seminar, or if they are going to get a piece of the pie on any DVD sales, etc.
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has the IFBB ever done that - a seminar with the competing pros, on the day of the show?
Yes, and run an amateur show in the afternoon with the winner gaining a pro card and competing in the evening pro show.
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With did they put a pic of everybody onstage but Jack is with his tank top ???
It would be silly if on the poster for the Olympia, they would put Dennis James with his tank top and his belt
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With did they put a pic of everybody onstage but Jack is with his tank top ???
It would be silly if on the poster for the Olympia, they would put Dennis James with his tank top and his belt
Must have been a marketing decision ;D
I can't wait to hear 240 complain that Vinny G is on the poster even though he's not with the PDI, Remember how he called Shawn out over the Colorado line-up?
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I hate to say it cause I like you 240, but Kevin is right on this one !
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I cued the IFBB toolbox and Horton arrives to diss ten things on the poster lol...
Well, the Galanti pullout was recent and these posters take some time to make and distribute. I will say that a major diff is that Shawn Ray had all sorts of competitors who had never signed a contract to compete there. Every man on that poster has a signed contract to compete for the PDI. I know Vinny got hurt and won't be at those shows, but it was a recent development. Shawn Ray had ten guys on the poster, 8 months in advance, who never showed or even showed intent to compete there.
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I was there recently and it is that bad! I will still probably go to the show, it all depends on the price and travel options. I hate the way big shows are usually put on in London - be it art exhibitions, concerts, lectures etc etc. I hate London.
It's ok if you live in london ;D
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I cued the IFBB toolbox and Horton arrives to diss ten things on the poster lol...
Well, the Galanti pullout was recent and these posters take some time to make and distribute. I will say that a major diff is that Shawn Ray had all sorts of competitors who had never signed a contract to compete there. Every man on that poster has a signed contract to compete for the PDI. I know Vinny got hurt and won't be at those shows, but it was a recent development. Shawn Ray had ten guys on the poster, 8 months in advance, who never showed or even showed intent to compete there.
So they've all signed to compete at the British show?
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I cued the IFBB toolbox and Horton arrives to diss ten things on the poster lol...
Well, the Galanti pullout was recent and these posters take some time to make and distribute. I will say that a major diff is that Shawn Ray had all sorts of competitors who had never signed a contract to compete there. Every man on that poster has a signed contract to compete for the PDI. I know Vinny got hurt and won't be at those shows, but it was a recent development. Shawn Ray had ten guys on the poster, 8 months in advance, who never showed or even showed intent to compete there.
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Why are you not questioning whether or not these guys are getting compensated? You keep insisting that you are for the ATHLETES, that you are not biased to one fed. or the other...where are the tough questions?
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So they've all signed to compete at the British show?
beats me, man. I am not privy to that info. They're grown men tho, and if their images ae being usd, it's because they signed a contract allowing for it.
Why are you not questioning whether or not these guys are getting compensated? You keep insisting that you are for the ATHLETES, that you are not biased to one fed. or the other...where are the tough questions?
Getting compensated for the show? Show hasn't happened yet, Bob. You're the first to say that. If guys don't get paid, of course I'll be vocal. But c'mon Bob, Ronnie hasn't gotten his O check yet, and we're not bitching about that.
Paychecks typically arrive AFTER shows.
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I cued the IFBB toolbox and Horton arrives to diss ten things on the poster lol...
Well, the Galanti pullout was recent and these posters take some time to make and distribute. I will say that a major diff is that Shawn Ray had all sorts of competitors who had never signed a contract to compete there. Every man on that poster has a signed contract to compete for the PDI. I know Vinny got hurt and won't be at those shows, but it was a recent development. Shawn Ray had ten guys on the poster, 8 months in advance, who never showed or even showed intent to compete there.
BS on that one. It only takes money. It takes 48 hours if you care enough and are willing to pay. Hollywood does this almost every year with one release or another and they produce 100 times what PDI does.
Another point is that Shawn Ray let his competitors the freedom of not signing a contract, something that you an advocate of better freedoms for the competitors should be applauding. But since it was an IFBB show you just gloss over the positive parts. You call everybody a PDI hater, but fail to the same traits in yourself.
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I cued the IFBB toolbox and Horton arrives to diss ten things on the poster lol...
Well, the Galanti pullout was recent and these posters take some time to make and distribute. I will say that a major diff is that Shawn Ray had all sorts of competitors who had never signed a contract to compete there. Every man on that poster has a signed contract to compete for the PDI. I know Vinny got hurt and won't be at those shows, but it was a recent development. Shawn Ray had ten guys on the poster, 8 months in advance, who never showed or even showed intent to compete there.
You're correct on the signed contract part, however anyone who made it on the poster (aside from the first one which I did not do) gave a a commitment via email that they were doing the show. Aside from that first piece of material everyone stated they intended to compete.
I do like how it shows Lee dominanting everyone else on the poster/ad.
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Jejus Christ! For an org that is nothing but a fairy tale and not a threat to the IFBB some of you guys must sit here all day and wait for PDI threads. ::)
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I predict King Kamali will win the British NOC!
Unless Lee Priest enters.
Or Vinny Galanti.
Or that European dude who's pretty good.
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I do like how it shows Lee dominanting everyone else on the poster/ad.
No mention on there of the prize money. I wonder if it is being called an exhibition rather than a contest?
It looks as though the sponsor wants as little publicity as possible ;D
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Jejus Christ! For an org that is nothing but a fairy tale and not a threat to the IFBB some of you guys must sit here all day and wait for PDI threads. ::)
haha... they pounce on every PDI thread. Bob and Kevin, like clockwork.
But they're not worried or anything.
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haha... they pounce on every PDI thread. Bob and Kevin, like clockwork.
But they're not worried or anything.
It's become a sport ;D
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Why are you not questioning whether or not these guys are getting compensated? You keep insisting that you are for the ATHLETES, that you are not biased to one fed. or the other...where are the tough questions?
Answer the question.....
And when I use my image on a poster to advertise an up and coming show I get paid right away, so does everybody else if it is the contract. The use of the image is not linked to the date of the show.
So Answer the question...
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beats me, man. I am not privy to that info. They're grown men tho, and if their images ae being usd, it's because they signed a contract allowing for it.
Getting compensated for the show? Show hasn't happened yet, Bob. You're the first to say that. If guys don't get paid, of course I'll be vocal. But c'mon Bob, Ronnie hasn't gotten his O check yet, and we're not bitching about that.
Paychecks typically arrive AFTER shows.
I'm not talking about prize money, smartguy...I'm talking about the seminar, DVD sales, video, etc.
This was the main point of contention for Lee NOT signing the Olympia contract....and a point you've brought up nemerous times...athletes getting compensated and having the ability to make money.
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Answer the question.....
And when I use my image on a poster to advertise an up and coming show I get paid right away, so does everybody else if it is the contract. The use of the image is not linked to the date of the show.
So Answer the question...
I already answered, I am not privy to this information. Just like before, Kevin horton wants to know something but won't email Wayne about it because he's shy. So he asks strangers on message boards.
If their likeness is being used on a poster, it's because they signed a contract allowing it. Their compensation is between them and the big guy. I have no clue, and it's none of my business.
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I'm not talking about prize money, smartguy...I'm talking about the seminar, DVD sales, video, etc.
This was the main point of contention for Lee NOT signing the Olympia contract....and a point you've brought up nemerous times...athletes getting compensated and having the ability to make money.
So, um, why don't you ask Lee about his compensation instead of an internet fool from the peanut gallery?
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I already answered, I am not privy to this information. Just like before, Kevin horton wants to know something but won't email Wayne about it because he's shy. So he asks strangers on message boards.
If their likeness is being used on a poster, it's because they signed a contract allowing it. Their compensation is between them and the big guy. I have no clue, and it's none of my business.
In one sentence you say you are not privy to that information and in another you say they signed a contract allowing it.
So have all these competitors signed to compete in the show, or does their contract with the PDI allow their likeness to be used in all advertising even though they are not competing?
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In one sentence you say you are not privy to that information and in another you say they signed a contract allowing it.
In any business, you cannot use a persons' likeness to market something without having their permission. You know that, kev-O. I can't just put michael jordan's face on my shoe company's website. I would have to have an agreement with him in place to use his likeness, and there would be a set of conditions that both sides would have to follow.
So have all these competitors signed to compete in the show, or does their contract with the PDI allow their likeness to be used in all advertising even though they are not competing?
Again, I do not have access to this information. If you are curious, quit being bashful, and email Wayne. Don't be shy Kev!
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So, um, why don't you ask Lee about his compensation instead of an internet fool from the peanut gallery?
Amazing...you dont have a problem voicing your opinion on everything and anything...except when it comes to having to answer a question on your beloved PDI.
Why does an internet fool from the peanut galley feel the need to comment on other issues then?
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In any business, you cannot use a persons' likeness to market something without having their permission. You know that, kev-O. I can't just put michael jordan's face on my shoe company's website. I would have to have an agreement with him in place to use his likeness, and there would be a set of conditions that both sides would have to follow.
Again, I do not have access to this information. If you are curious, quit being bashful, and email Wayne. Don't be shy Kev!
Odd how you posted repeatedly about the Colorado competitors list, yet you're now willing to assume that all those competitors are scheduled to compete.
You normaly want to know the smallest of details.
You used a public forum to raise your questions without directly e-mailing those concerned, so why suggest I should?
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Amazing...you dont have a problem voicing your opinion on everything and anything...except when it comes to having to answer a question on your beloved PDI.
Why does an internet fool from the peanut galley feel the need to comment on other issues then?
Why do you have no problem trashing the PDI 24/7 yet you bend over backwards to justify selective rule enforcement for the IFBB?
I am happy to voice my opinion on PDI issues. I don't have enough info on this poster or show to comment yet. On the Colorado pro poster, it was obvious - 8 months prior to the show, we had a poster with a near-O lineup. In this poster, we have one guy who was recently injured and pulled out of the show. Kinda different? :)
I think it's irresponsible for any of us to question the relationship between a man and a company. If a person's likeness is used, he is being compensated in one way or another. Might be cash, might be exposure, might be something else, who knows?
I do love the way the IFBB toolbox "invents" a crisis every time the PDi does something new. Shouldn't you be spending your Fri afternoon calling ESPN to get the Olympia guys some coverage in there? Talk about sitting in a broken down car bitching about the color of you neighbor's new ride... :)
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You used a public forum to raise your questions without directly e-mailing those concerned, so why suggest I should?
Wrong, sunshine. I used a public forum to ask Shawn Ray questions about his show, after he ignored emails.
You must be getting your information from some poor sources baby.
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Wrong, sunshine. I used a public forum to ask Shawn Ray questions about his show, after he ignored emails.
You must be getting your information from some poor sources baby.
He's got you there Kevin.
You don't have that option because no PDI official dares post here.
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Wrong, sunshine. I used a public forum to ask Shawn Ray questions about his show, after he ignored emails.
You must be getting your information from some poor sources baby.
Same situation, sonny.
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Same situation, sonny.
So you emailed Wayne about the poster already, and waited a reasonable amount of time for the reply?
No. You started bashing the posterr and questioning it the second it arrived.
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You're correct on the signed contract part, however anyone who made it on the poster (aside from the first one which I did not do) gave a a commitment via email that they were doing the show. Aside from that first piece of material everyone stated they intended to compete.
I do like how it shows Lee dominanting everyone else on the poster/ad.
Just like the O poster has Ronnie dominating everyone as well.or whatever show it maybe there is always a dominate guy larger then the rest.
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He's got you there Kevin.
You don't have that option because no PDI official dares post here.
They do post here but they use a mouthpiece.
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So you emailed Wayne about the poster already, and waited a reasonable amount of time for the reply?
No. You started bashing the posterr and questioning it the second it arrived.
So it's ok to publish something here, but not to question it?
Unless of course it's not PDI related and then you jump all over it!
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They do post here but they use a mouthpiece.
I used to do it, and I can admit it's a bitch move.
When you post a negative/pointed question, before emailing the man in charge first, you commit a bitch move.
A regular question is fine. But you openly support a rival federation. So what you're doing is nothing more than helping the IFBB publicly trash a competor by proxy. Bitch move.
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So it's ok to publish something here, but not to question it?
Unless of course it's not PDI related and then you jump all over it!
It's a free country, bro!
But you started questioning me, a lowly web designer, on private contracts between wayne and athletes. You knew I had no info on this, I told you I had no info on this, and you tried to imply somethign was shady because I didn't have your answers.
Call up wayne, Bashful!
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Just like the O poster has Ronnie dominating everyone as well.or whatever show it maybe there is always a dominate guy larger then the rest.
Hey lee...quick question, since 240 deferred it to you.....
Are you guys getting compensated seperatly for doing the seminar, DVD sales, etc?
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It's a free country, bro!
But you started questioning me, a lowly web designer, on private contracts between wayne and athletes. You knew I had no info on this, I told you I had no info on this, and you tried to imply somethign was shady because I didn't have your answers.
Call up wayne, Bashful!
Sorry, you are correct I did ask you about the contracts but that's because you stated that everyone on the poster had signed a contract so I just assumed you knew what you were talking about.
To avoid confusion in teh future I'd suggest that you state you're only guessing.
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Hey lee...quick question, since 240 deferred it to you.....
Are you guys getting compensated seperatly for doing the seminar, DVD sales, etc?
NO
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WOW!
240 will have a lot to say about this!
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Maybe just Lee Priest is, since these particular issues where his justification for dropping out of the O.
p.s. Hope the rehab is going well Vinny. :-*
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Maybe just Lee Priest is, since these particular issues where his justification for dropping out of the O.
p.s. Hope the rehab is going well Vinny. :-*
Yeah...that will sit well with the others.
I appreciate the input Vinny...but I'm curious to hear Lee's response to this as it was the direct reasoning Lee had for bailing out of the Olympia contract last year...
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Maybe just Lee Priest is, since these particular issues where his justification for dropping out of the O.
p.s. Hope the rehab is going well Vinny. :-*
thanks....today was the first time i trained the bicep....i did 4 sets of 1 arm cable curls in a squat position, resting my arm on my thigh like a concentration curl.
I just did 4 sets of 12 reps, got a great pump in both arms...then i iced the area.
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DeMilia is sending a message to Galanti that he's gonna fcuk him up for leaving the PDI. ;D
I'm sure DeMilia will get lots of heat from some people for putting up people on the poster that aren't even gonna compete.
Since I doubt DeMilia will pay the trip over the pond, I'm sure you won't see Jack London or any of his fellow Americans compete there either.
Just a guess though. I have nothing of any substance on that.
YIP
Zack
Actually quite a few of the competitors trips and expenses are paid for. ANd there will be others shows in Europe and the people involved will surprise you.
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Actually quite a few of the competitors trips and expenses are paid for. ANd there will be others shows in Europe and the people involved will surprise you.
Who gets special treatment for their trip and expenses covered? Is it fair to pay "quite a few of the competitor" but not all?
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Man I can see the IFBB Ball-huggers foaming at the mouth now. Went from no NOC to a maybe but thats the only show to now a British and more to come. God does Wayne really have this much money or are their others behind it that are willing to invest to get the PDI going in the right direction. Things that make you go ummmmmmmmmmm.
And I was wondering Other than Chic and Sean and to a lesser amount because they don't mean anything and are just hanger-oners Kevin and Issac, why doesn't the IFBB have many supporters on here. Why doesn't some of the other competitors come on here and tell everyone how much they love the IFBB and how fair they are. No one comes on here to support Ben. No one comes on here and says the IFBB is by the far the best BB organization in the world and they do no wrong. They care about there members and do everything they can to improve competition and the way BB is progressing. How come no other pros do this. And I mean openly,notbehind a fancy screenname. All this bashing of the IFBB that happens on here yet no support. All they few little supporters can do is redirect to the PDI. Face it guys you are worried as is the IFBB brass-asses. SPonsors will be coming in because the PDI will receive more mainstream publicity than the IFBB. It already has happened with the ESPN magazine. The IFBB brass and the people involved are just tostupid to be able to do this. It has been proven and is a fact. 50+ years and the IFBB sucks more and more each year. Talked to a pro last night. Moving the Olympia is a joke to every Olympia competitor. They won't say it of course but it is how everyone of them feels. The biggest (suppose to be) BB show in the world at a 2nd rate venue. Sad Sad Sad.
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Man I can see the IFBB Ball-huggers foaming at the mouth now. Went from no NOC to a maybe but thats the only show to now a British and more to come. God does Wayne really have this much money or are their others behind it that are willing to invest to get the PDI going in the right direction. Things that make you go ummmmmmmmmmm.
And I was wondering Other than Chic and Sean and to a lesser amount because they don't mean anything and are just hanger-oners Kevin and Issac, why doesn't the IFBB have many supporters on here. Why doesn't some of the other competitors come on here and tell everyone how much they love the IFBB and how fair they are. No one comes on here to support Ben. No one comes on here and says the IFBB is by the far the best BB organization in the world and they do no wrong. They care about there members and do everything they can to improve competition and the way BB is progressing. How come no other pros do this. And I mean openly,notbehind a fancy screenname. All this bashing of the IFBB that happens on here yet no support. All they few little supporters can do is redirect to the PDI. Face it guys you are worried as is the IFBB brass-asses. SPonsors will be coming in because the PDI will receive more mainstream publicity than the IFBB. It already has happened with the ESPN magazine. The IFBB brass and the people involved are just tostupid to be able to do this. It has been proven and is a fact. 50+ years and the IFBB sucks more and more each year. Talked to a pro last night. Moving the Olympia is a joke to every Olympia competitor. They won't say it of course but it is how everyone of them feels. The biggest (suppose to be) BB show in the world at a 2nd rate venue. Sad Sad Sad.
So you don't want to answer my question? Always good for a deflection Keith.
I'm not worried about sheet. I enjoy a friendly debate with guys who are bitter at the IFBB. They've done wrong to me, why should I bash them? I only wish the other pdi mouthpiece, PICSMAN would come back here and subject himself to the banter like you do. It's fun. PDI has done nothing and I'm not bashing them, myself and fellow "nuthuggers" are only prosing the same questions you to do the IFBB.
Rest assured pros read these threads they choose not to engage because they'd be bashed for any stance they take.
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You do know that if the PDI voices here even attempted to answer the questions and prove why the PDI has the athletes back you would easily shut everybody up and IFBB pros would be signing left right and center.
But you guys choose to insult and demean people who just might be trying to figure what the PDI is really about. Or is it that you guys don't know the answers at all.
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Moving the Olympia is a joke to every Olympia competitor. They won't say it of course but it is how everyone of them feels. The biggest (suppose to be) BB show in the world at a 2nd rate venue.
Obviously you have never been to London or you would know what type of Ghetto the British NOC is going to be at. Word of advice leave your valuables at home and make sure your medical insurance is paid up.
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I am not an IFBB guy, nor a PDI stooge. I just want wants best for the sport of bodybuilding. Which is why i am more than perturbed at the way the PDI is taking shape. Shoddy venues, disingenuous information on the posters, scrimping money etc etc. Anyone would think its the IFBB :-\
Lee has always been incredibly vocal about the DVDs, seminars etc etc - yet exactly the same is happening with the PDI. Yet Lee is silent. WTF? Answer Lee. Or are you now dancing at the end of Demilias strings?
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Are you guys getting compensated seperatly for doing the seminar, DVD sales, etc
Chic what possible concern of it is yours , you work for the IFBB and this is a PDI show , and besides when Lee had his concerns with the Olympia contract you didnt want to know about it , in fact you didnt know what the Olympia contract was or what it read !!!!
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I am not an IFBB guy, nor a PDI stooge. I just want wants best for the sport of bodybuilding. Which is why i am more than perturbed at the way the PDI is taking shape. Shoddy venues, disingenuous information on the posters, scrimping money etc etc. Anyone would think its the IFBB :-\
Lee has always been incredibly vocal about the DVDs, seminars etc etc - yet exactly the same is happening with the PDI. Yet Lee is silent. WTF? Answer Lee. Or are you now dancing at the end of Demilias strings?
Anybody think they would live long enough to see this? ;D :-*
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Chic what possible concern of it is yours , you work for the IFBB and this is a PDI show , and besides when Lee had his concerns with the Olympia contract you didnt want to know about it , in fact you didnt know what the Olympia contract was or what it read !!!!
Well since Chick does advise some guys to look strongly at the PDI as a career move, he should at least be providing them with correct information and I can't think of a better way to get that information without asking questions, can you?
I bet Vince and Vinny wish they had more/better infomation before signing.
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Chic what possible concern of it is yours , you work for the IFBB and this is a PDI show , and besides when Lee had his concerns with the Olympia contract you didnt want to know about it , in fact you didnt know what the Olympia contract was or what it read !!!!
It's of no great concern...just curious if Lee will stand for "what's right", according to what he has stated in the past... It would make no sense whatsoever, if he were supporting a contract or federation that is the SAME as the one he chose to bail out on.
Bump for Lee to respond...
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It's of no great concern...just curious if Lee will stand for "what's right", according to what he has stated in the past... It would make no sense whatsoever, if he were supporting a contract or federation that is the SAME as the one he chose to bail out on.
Maybe lee is getting paid to what he feels "JUST" in his PDI agreement , hence he has no problems with anything !!
That would be logical wouldnt it ??
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No, not really....
Lee has repeatedly stated that he is doing this for "all athlete's" not just himself...If what you're insinuating is that Lee is ONLY looking out for himself when it comes to ALL the athletes benefitting from the sales of Video, DVD, seminars, etc....then he is talking out of both sides.
Lets be fair now, Marc...this was the EXACT reason Lee claimed to bow out of the Olympia contract..
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It's of no great concern...just curious if Lee will stand for "what's right", according to what he has stated in the past... It would make no sense whatsoever, if he were supporting a contract or federation that is the SAME as the one he chose to bail out on.
Bump for Lee to respond...
I think he will choose to do whatever it takes to see the PDI gain some ground...regardless of a few seminars and a DVD shoot etc...he's said in the past that he doesn't compete for the money, but for the love of the game...and i could see why he WOULD do all this for the PDI...the IFBB has never seen eye to eye with Lee, so i can see why he told them to "shove it" by not doing the O. I think if Lee hand't had such a sour taste in his mouth from all the suspensions, fines...etc...he might have swallowed his pride and done the extra stuff from the contract...but the fact that he was the "black sheep" and sort of outcast from the IFBB, he had every right to say NO. Lee doesn't owe them nothing!
I think DeMillia (who has been known to be an ass) has set out to make sure his athletes are happy at all times, and i don't think we will see anyone unhappy in the PDI, as Lee was in the IFBB....a little respect (for the athletes) goes a long way IMO. ;)
I think RESPECTING THE RULES would be the #1 Priority! :o
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/priest94.jpg)
Running over to the PDI! Run Lee, RUUUUUUUUN!!
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I wouldn't go to hackney If you paid me, I'd probably get attacked my Somali's.
Those fuckers are crazy.
Great place for a venue. ::)
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I think he will choose to do whatever it takes to see the PDI gain some ground...regardless of a few seminars and a DVD shoot etc...he's said in the past that he doesn't compete for the money, but for the love of the game...and i could see why he WOULD do all this for the PDI...the IFBB has never seen eye to eye with Lee, so i can see why he told them to "shove it" by not doing the O. I think if Lee hand't had such a sour taste in his mouth from all the suspensions, fines...etc...he might have swallowed his pride and done the extra stuff from the contract...but the fact that he was the "black sheep" and sort of outcast from the IFBB, he had every right to say NO. Lee doesn't owe them nothing!
I think DeMillia (who has been known to be an ass) has set out to make sure his athletes are happy at all times, and i don't think we will see anyone unhappy in the PDI, as Lee was in the IFBB....a little respect (for the athletes) goes a long way IMO. ;)
You mean the fines and suspentions imposed by wayne?
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You mean the fines and suspentions imposed by wayne?
No, the ones Ben Signed. I live in Montreal, i know Ben is in that office almost 24/7, so anyone who says he has or HAD nothing to do with it is BS. the guy is up to date with everything, and wouldn't be surprised if he's got a hit out on me now for sayin this! lol
Wayne is a head judge, and although I don't work with the IFBB, I wouldnt be so sure that a head judge runs 100% of the organization. There are people higher up. Much higher, and Wayne is just the middleman. Not saying he was a saint thoough! :P
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think he will choose to do whatever it takes to see the PDI gain some ground...regardless of a few seminars and a DVD shoot etc...he's said in the past that he doesn't compete for the money, but for the love of the game...and i could see why he WOULD do all this for the PDI...the IFBB has never seen eye to eye with Lee, so i can see why he told them to "shove it" by not doing the O. I think if Lee hadn't had such a sour taste in his mouth from all the suspensions, fines...etc...he might have swallowed his pride and done the extra stuff from the contract...but the fact that he was the "black sheep" and sort of outcast from the IFBB, he had every right to say NO. Lee doesn't owe them nothing!
I think DeMillia (who has been known to be an ass) has set out to make sure his athletes are happy at all times, and i don't think we will see anyone unhappy in the PDI, as Lee was in the IFBB....a little respect (for the athletes) goes a long way IMO.
Nicely put !!
Lee pulled out of the Olympia contract for the exact reasons he has stated many times before !!
Lee has never tried to pull the wool over any ones eyes , he says it how it is , thats why you love him or hate him , the kicker though was when they got his sponsors involved and made allocations to them re his purposed plans at the show , that was when lee said OK thats it I'm definitely out !!
prior to that he only had made it known and quite clear he didint like the structure and the restrictions of the contracts earning potential for the Athletes , plus the demands it had on competting athletes days before the biggest show in their lives .
There is no hidden agenda here guys ,never has been ,doesn't need to be !!
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ahem...
Chick, you are obsessed with the boards, man.
You are obsessed with the PDI, and you say you don't care.
Coming from 240, a board-obsession charge means something.
Get help, brother.
Oh yeah...
ahahahah hahahahahaha
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ahem...
Chick, you are obsessed with the boards, man.
You are obsessed with the PDI, and you say you don't care.
Coming from 240, a board-obsession charge means something.
Get help, brother.
Oh yeah...
ahahahah hahahahahaha
Yeah...that means a lot coming from someone with over 11,000 posts in 6 months.
Way to not answer the question, once again...
You're are transparent as it gets, fool.
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This was one of the very things Lee didn't like..."all the things he HAD to do" on Olympia day. I'd like to know if these guys are geting compensated for this seminar, or if they are going to get a piece of the pie on any DVD sales, etc.
do IFBB athletes get compensated when they do this type of thing? The PDI is a new brand and I'm sure alot of these guys would do this for awhile for free just to get the ball rolling whereas teh IFBB has been established for years and could very well compensate it's guys for this kind of thing. Chick, I've got nothing againts you but playing the devils advocate here is making you look like the IFBB's lapdog. You're not the PDI athletes rep so it's none of your business if they get paid or not, you made your decision and they made thiers, now they have to live with it and the endless shots that flex will be taking at them for the next 10 years...god, how many years was flex still referring to the WBF as "we bore fans".
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do IFBB athletes get compensated when they do this type of thing? The PDI is a new brand and I'm sure alot of these guys would do this for awhile for free just to get the ball rolling whereas teh IFBB has been established for years and could very well compensate it's guys for this kind of thing. Chick, I've got nothing againts you but playing the devils advocate here is making you look like the IFBB's lapdog. You're not the PDI athletes rep so it's none of your business if they get paid or not, you made your decision and they made thiers, now they have to live with it and the endless shots that flex will be taking at them for the next 10 years...god, how many years was flex still referring to the WBF as "we bore fans".
Lee is a IFBB athlete, and has said that the very reason for his actions were a DIRECT result from lack of compensation. If he's getting none now with the same circumstances, then he looks like a hypocrite.
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Lee is a IFBB athlete, and has said that the very reason for his actions were a DIRECT result from lack of compensation. If he's getting none now with the same circumstances, then he looks like a hypocrite.
no, he was getting no compensation from a well established company that has been screwing it's athletes around for years. Now he's getting no compensation from a new company that has never screwed him and said company may have every intention of compensating him when they are established. There is a difference there. You make some sacrifices to help a new business get off the ground, sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't but what's life without risk?
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you're joking, right?
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you're joking, right?
why do you ask? Do you know if Lee has a contract with Wayne that says if he does this for free he'll recieve compensation in the future? Is this totally unheard of? Or do you mean that the IFbb has been jerking it's guys around for years? I'm not a pro but it ain't hard to see that that's been happening, otherwise you wouldn't need your job as athletes rep now would you?
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It's of no great concern...just curious if Lee will stand for "what's right", according to what he has stated in the past... It would make no sense whatsoever, if he were supporting a contract or federation that is the SAME as the one he chose to bail out on.
Bump for Lee to respond...
I would still like to hear Lee's reasoning not some speculation from some well meaning people.
So bump again for Lee to answer
maybe we need to let the thread reach the bottom of the page so Lee doesn't have to stand on something to see it. :D
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Man I can see the IFBB Ball-huggers foaming at the mouth now. Went from no NOC to a maybe but thats the only show to now a British and more to come. God does Wayne really have this much money or are their others behind it that are willing to invest to get the PDI going in the right direction. Things that make you go ummmmmmmmmmm.
And I was wondering Other than Chic and Sean and to a lesser amount because they don't mean anything and are just hanger-oners Kevin and Issac, why doesn't the IFBB have many supporters on here. Why doesn't some of the other competitors come on here and tell everyone how much they love the IFBB and how fair they are. No one comes on here to support Ben. No one comes on here and says the IFBB is by the far the best BB organization in the world and they do no wrong. They care about there members and do everything they can to improve competition and the way BB is progressing. How come no other pros do this. And I mean openly,notbehind a fancy screenname. All this bashing of the IFBB that happens on here yet no support. All they few little supporters can do is redirect to the PDI. Face it guys you are worried as is the IFBB brass-asses. SPonsors will be coming in because the PDI will receive more mainstream publicity than the IFBB. It already has happened with the ESPN magazine. The IFBB brass and the people involved are just tostupid to be able to do this. It has been proven and is a fact. 50+ years and the IFBB sucks more and more each year. Talked to a pro last night. Moving the Olympia is a joke to every Olympia competitor. They won't say it of course but it is how everyone of them feels. The biggest (suppose to be) BB show in the world at a 2nd rate venue. Sad Sad Sad.
Why do you find it necessary t insult anyone who has a different opinion to yours and especially if they question the PDI?
Because some of us here are involved in the business directly you accuse us od being ball-huggers, So does that make you one because you are a sponsor of the PDI?
What would be better is id we just accepted that everyone deserves respect even though their opinions differ?
Questioning the PDI is not defending the IFBB, but everytime a question is asked you accuse the person of ball-hugging.
I'm more than happy to discuss everthing you hate about this business if you want but let's not highjack this thread. Start another one.
Back to this thread.
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Why do you find it necessary t insult anyone who has a different opinion to yours and especially if they question the PDI?
Because some of us here are involved in the business directly you accuse us od being ball-huggers, So does that make you one because you are a sponsor of the PDI?
What would be better is id we just accepted that everyone deserves respect even though their opinions differ?
Questioning the PDI is not defending the IFBB, but everytime a question is asked you accuse the person of ball-hugging.
I'm more than happy to discuss everthing you hate about this business if you want but let's not highjack this thread. Start another one.
Back to this thread.
Jeez Kev, all you do is bad mouth Wayne and PDI. As far as you're concern it is a loser out of the bloocks and yet theshow hasn't even happened yet. If anyone highjacked this thread it is you and Issac and Chic. This thread was annoucing the British NOC. Another contest and another $30,000 in prize money. And there are more contests coming. WOuldn't it be great if you three just sat back and see what happens at the NOC. INstead of just coming on here and saying anything bad just say hope it does good and it is good for the competitors. Instead you three come on here and ask stupid questions that have no bearing and we don't have the answers. DO you honoestly think all the question I ask Chic knows the answers too. I don't think anyone believes he know all this stuff. He would be the most knowledgable person on the IFBB in the world. He calls Manion and whoever he can. And I admit I do the same thing. When Chic or anyone else on here says this and that was Waynes fault I laugh so hard. How ignorant can someone get to think that. What that shows and proves is that they are 100% illusioned by the IFBB.
For anyone to stay with anorganiztion with the rep the IFBB has and an owner who has proven for more than 50 years he has no intention of helping BB just himself is beyond me and many others. The PDI is offering a way to compete away from the corrupt and mindless IFBB. You guys bash the PDI yet they have not done anythng YET. So i guess this is the best time to bash cause after the NOC and the PDI gains steam you are going to have a hard time defending the IFBB and bashing the PDI. I bash the IFBB along with the majority of other posters here because they have earned the bashing. They deserve everything bad that comes to them. For manyyears they have fucked their members and only thought of themselves making money. That is a fact and a sad one. SO bashing them is easy. They provide allot of ammo.
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Pretty awesome that the IFBB sends men to trash the PDI lol...
they sound kinda skerred.
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I am not an IFBB guy, nor a PDI stooge. I just want wants best for the sport of bodybuilding. Which is why i am more than perturbed at the way the PDI is taking shape. Shoddy venues, disingenuous information on the posters, scrimping money etc etc. Anyone would think its the IFBB :-\
Lee has always been incredibly vocal about the DVDs, seminars etc etc - yet exactly the same is happening with the PDI. Yet Lee is silent. WTF? Answer Lee. Or are you now dancing at the end of Demilias strings?
Nobody sent me, I just want to understand. Okay I admit I don't have enough trust to go on blind faith and believe Wayne is a trust worthy person.
Yes I like the IFBB, because I like Body Building and Figure Comps and they are the best of the best.
I want to understand what the PDI is all about, and it just seems it is only about mud slinging right now. There is no place to get answers, UK Gold hit the nail on the head.
What is the use throwing your support behind something or someone who is just going to betray you for their own benefit?
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Jeez Kev, all you do is bad mouth Wayne and PDI. As far as you're concern it is a loser out of the bloocks and yet theshow hasn't even happened yet. If anyone highjacked this thread it is you and Issac and Chic. This thread was annoucing the British NOC. Another contest and another $30,000 in prize money. And there are more contests coming. WOuldn't it be great if you three just sat back and see what happens at the NOC. INstead of just coming on here and saying anything bad just say hope it does good and it is good for the competitors. Instead you three come on here and ask stupid questions that have no bearing and we don't have the answers. DO you honoestly think all the question I ask Chic knows the answers too. I don't think anyone believes he know all this stuff. He would be the most knowledgable person on the IFBB in the world. He calls Manion and whoever he can. And I admit I do the same thing. When Chic or anyone else on here says this and that was Waynes fault I laugh so hard. How ignorant can someone get to think that. What that shows and proves is that they are 100% illusioned by the IFBB.
For anyone to stay with anorganiztion with the rep the IFBB has and an owner who has proven for more than 50 years he has no intention of helping BB just himself is beyond me and many others. The PDI is offering a way to compete away from the corrupt and mindless IFBB. You guys bash the PDI yet they have not done anythng YET. So i guess this is the best time to bash cause after the NOC and the PDI gains steam you are going to have a hard time defending the IFBB and bashing the PDI. I bash the IFBB along with the majority of other posters here because they have earned the bashing. They deserve everything bad that comes to them. For manyyears they have fucked their members and only thought of themselves making money. That is a fact and a sad one. SO bashing them is easy. They provide allot of ammo.
Keith,
Why did you feel it necessary to attack Shawn when he was promoting his show? Why didn't you take you won advice, sit back and see what happened? You couldn't even admit you were wrong after the show and continued to attack Shawn.
If the NOC and the British are a success then I'll be more than happy to admit I was wring, but until then I will continue to ask questions.
What is so stupid about asking if all of the competitors featured on the poster are going to be at the show. I don't recall you calling 240 stupid for asking a similar question about Shawns show?
There is a lot of false information provided by yourself and 240 about the PDI and when it's questioned you both resort to insults and deflect from answering.
You said the NOC was a sell out, but it's not.
You called me a liar when I said that the PDI had failed in 2004. But it did.
240 said all the competitors had signed contracts allowing their image to be used in advertising. VinnyG stated this was false, does 240 admit he was wrong? No, he throws insults.
If the IFBB announced tomoorrow that they had arranged for yearly medical check-ups and it turned out to be a lie, would you stay quiet? Of course not, you would't miss a cahnace to kick the IFBB and throw a knee into the groin of Jim Manion, but because you're a sponsor of the PDI, you don't say a bloody word.
If the IFBB sanctioned a promoter who had a history of not paying the athletes, would you not post a question about it in your usual polite style?
The Toronto show was cancelled, you could hardly contain yourself with using it to attack the IFBB, yet not a whisper from you when the PDI did it.
You haven't stopped going on about the Olympia being moved but despite people on here saying what a shit hole the British has moved to, there's not a single critical word from you. I'm the only one being positive about the place!
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Pretty awesome that the IFBB sends men to trash the PDI lol...
they sound kinda skerred.
Just as awesome as the PDI sending you to post lies to support it and trash anyone who points out lies.
On a more positive note, any news on the PDI Radio fiasco you caused?
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You having fun yet Kev?
as always, enjoy your debates.
keep up the good work mate, and next time you're in Oz we'll have a beer (or two) ;)
that goes for you too 240. :)
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absolutely mate!
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absolutely mate!
Americans cant say mate, its the law.
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Keith,
Why did you feel it necessary to attack Shawn when he was promoting his show? Why didn't you take you won advice, sit back and see what happened? You couldn't even admit you were wrong after the show and continued to attack Shawn.
If the NOC and the British are a success then I'll be more than happy to admit I was wring, but until then I will continue to ask questions.
What is so stupid about asking if all of the competitors featured on the poster are going to be at the show. I don't recall you calling 240 stupid for asking a similar question about Shawns show?
There is a lot of false information provided by yourself and 240 about the PDI and when it's questioned you both resort to insults and deflect from answering.
You said the NOC was a sell out, but it's not.
You called me a liar when I said that the PDI had failed in 2004. But it did.
240 said all the competitors had signed contracts allowing their image to be used in advertising. VinnyG stated this was false, does 240 admit he was wrong? No, he throws insults.
If the IFBB announced tomoorrow that they had arranged for yearly medical check-ups and it turned out to be a lie, would you stay quiet? Of course not, you would't miss a cahnace to kick the IFBB and throw a knee into the groin of Jim Manion, but because you're a sponsor of the PDI, you don't say a bloody word.
If the IFBB sanctioned a promoter who had a history of not paying the athletes, would you not post a question about it in your usual polite style?
The Toronto show was cancelled, you could hardly contain yourself with using it to attack the IFBB, yet not a whisper from you when the PDI did it.
You haven't stopped going on about the Olympia being moved but despite people on here saying what a shit hole the British has moved to, there's not a single critical word from you. I'm the only one being positive about the place!
So many questions. Kevin from what I understand, you know Wayne. Why don't you call or email Wayne and ask him everything you ask me. He has every answer, I don't. SO that bit advice should satisfy every question you ever want to ask me about the PDI or any question for future reference. Simply call him. Very simple.
And the only reason I bashed as you call it Sean and the Colorado show because after the show was done and gone 9 people came forward to tell everyone their checks bounced. I was happy to just let it go, but when someone like you and Issac come on here and say things and expect everyone to just accept what you say is fact when it isn't then I guess I have to bring light to it. And the excuse you all gave was horseshit. No proof was ever given that the bank made a mistake. ANyway,that is a done deal.
And I do understand why you ask about the poster. I understand it cause one of the shows you supported more than anything gave out bogus poster information and used people's images when they weren't competing. I understand why you would think this. You are used to this happening I am sure. I have no idea about the poster, but I am pretty sure that everyone on there originally signed on to do the show in Europe. Whether they do it or not who knows.
The Toronto Pro show was cancelled. EVeryone knew it. But you guys, talk like the IFBB does no wrong and is the perfect place. After 50 years you would think they would have their shit together and it's not like they sanctioned allot of shows. Less than 40 a year.
And EVERYONE including the competitors talk about the moving of the Olympia. If you think the moving of the Olympia is better for it then you need to find another job. First off they didn't move the Olympia cause they wanted too. They moved the Olympia cause they had too. That is a fact. They tried to get the Mandalay Bay to give them ridiculous things and in Vegas and especially there you don't have much (if any) room to play with.
And I have no idea about where the British show is. But have you seen where some of the NPC shows are done. And the the IFBB moved the Bulgarian Pro to Romania and it is in the worst part of the world. DO you know how far it is from the airport to the venue. And it will be hot and if I remember right COleman is suppose to guest pose. If I have the right show in mind. He will not have a good time. No research was done on that show.
I have (as does everyone else) the right tobash the IFBB. They are horrible to their members and they do nothing to improve BB. Yet they have been around for 50 years. You would think they would get something right. The PDI is not born yet.
And lastly do you also believe Wayne made all these decisions without Ben telling him to do it or at least approve of everything Wayne did. Or do you believe like Chic does, that every decision Wayne made Ben knew nothing of it. Please answer this.
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I am working too hard on sites tonight to post a lot... but...
The IFBB reps who have contiually trashed the PDI have really given it a sense of legitimacy. yall notice that?
Suppose I had stated, "joce pelletier will win the O this year!" Do you think these fellas would have spent the spring/summer bashing Jocelyn? No. Because they knew it was false and he didn't have a chance.
But the fact they've been bashing the PDi since Feb 1st... really makes you think they're legitimately concerned. PDI is real, and it has a chance, or they wouldn't devote their time, mental energies, and reputations to trashing it.
I'm feeling the PDI has a pretty good chance.
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I am working too hard on sites tonight to post a lot... but...
The IFBB reps who have contiually trashed the PDI have really given it a sense of legitimacy. yall notice that?
Suppose I had stated, "joce pelletier will win the O this year!" Do you think these fellas would have spent the spring/summer bashing Jocelyn? No. Because they knew it was false and he didn't have a chance.
But the fact they've been bashing the PDi since Feb 1st... really makes you think they're legitimately concerned. PDI is real, and it has a chance, or they wouldn't devote their time, mental energies, and reputations to trashing it.
I'm feeling the PDI has a pretty good chance.
If our questions have given it legitimacy then by your reasoning your attacks on everyone esle in this industry must have increased theirs.
If you really thought the PDI was legitimate you wouldn't have to iie on their behalf.
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You having fun yet Kev?
as always, enjoy your debates.
keep up the good work mate, and next time you're in Oz we'll have a beer (or two) ;)
that goes for you too 240. :)
Life't too short to not have fun :-)
The debates are becoming tedious, it's all about throwing insults.
Two Pints! You must be joking, we'll empty the bloody bar!
"Onlyme" can come to or he'll complain that Mouthpiece 1 get's to have all the fun ;D
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Not that I want to trash the PDI or anything cause I like it, but do you guys really believe that PDI will stay uncorrupted if it grows to be as big as IFBB? And what have the IFBB really done, I hope its not just the thing that you cant compete in two different federations? That shit goes on in other sports as well, soccer/football for an example. You cant have competitions that are not approved by FIFA, that´s what all this G-14 stuff is about, you will get banned to hell for stealing FIFA´s money. So my question is, do you think that in the long run the PDI would act differently to what IFBB has done?
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Two Pints! You must be joking, we'll empty the bloody bar!
Well Gazza is already here, if you bring Chris L, then i'm sure i can get Tony D along, and yeah, we'll have a great chance of drinking any bar dry!!
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Well Gazza is already here, if you bring Chris L, then i'm sure i can get Tony D along, and yeah, we'll have a great chance of drinking any bar dry!!
;D
Checking on flight availability now
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:D sorry for the highjack kids, back to your usual programming....
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Who gets special treatment for their trip and expenses covered? Is it fair to pay "quite a few of the competitor" but not all?
Ifbb does the same thing for alot of thier shows.They don't pay for everyone.
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Anybody think they would live long enough to see this? ;D :-*
I am silent as i have been training and have no idea what you are talking about.I have not seen the contract for the English show so i can not comment till then .Bob when will you ever let that Olympia contract go.Mamn you are getting old on that issue and just getting old plain and simple :0
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I am silent as i have been training and have no idea what you are talking about.I have not seen the contract for the English show so i can not comment till then .Bob when will you ever let that Olympia contract go.Mamn you are getting old on that issue and just getting old plain and simple :0
Lee, are you competing at the British show?
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I am silent as i have been training and have no idea what you are talking about.I have not seen the contract for the English show so i can not comment till then .Bob when will you ever let that Olympia contract go.Mamn you are getting old on that issue and just getting old plain and simple :0
Well...allow me to fill you in.
This will be interesting, given the fact that you're on the flier as a competing athlete, but have yet so see the contract...or maybe you didn't know you were on the flier?
Heres the question:
If you are asked to do anything over and above compete, without compensation, will you pull out of the English NOC?
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Ifbb does the same thing for alot of thier shows.They don't pay for everyone.
So what? I've never heard of an IFBB pro complaining about the hotel rates for fans, so why should we care that not all your expenses are taken care of? Not trying to bust balls.
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The IFBB doesn't pay anyone's hotel/ travel either...the promoter does (their option).
That being said, the PDI and Wayne DeMilia are the same as he is the owner AND promoter...
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The IFBB doesn't pay anyone's hotel/ travel either...the promoter does (their option).
Bob, that's good and I agree with it. A person who can draw fans is obviously a more appealing option to bring to your show, so why not compensate them for it?
Supply and demand.
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It's common practice...no argument there.
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Well...allow me to fill you in.
This will be interesting, given the fact that you're on the flier as a competing athlete, but have yet so see the contract...or maybe you didn't know you were on the flier?
Heres the question:
If you are asked to do anything over and above compete, without compensation, will you pull out of the English NOC?
Bob, you are absolutely right. That is the question that Lee has to answer.
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Since pro BB's don't get a downside pay I don't think it's fair to require a competitor participates in a seminar. If they get percentages or whatever then it's god for everyone.
Some of the european guys look good from the pix. I do think they should have got one of Jack's contest photos for the ad though....I've seen some pretty good ones.
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Well...allow me to fill you in.
This will be interesting, given the fact that you're on the flier as a competing athlete, but have yet so see the contract...or maybe you didn't know you were on the flier?
Heres the question:
If you are asked to do anything over and above compete, without compensation, will you pull out of the English NOC?
Well Bob i havent seen it so i will tell u when i do.And for being on the flyer or poster.Geee the ifbb has never put me or other athletes on posters or mentioned someone who isn't going to be in a show.Come on stop reaching here.
Well Bob i havent seen it so i will tell u when i do.And for being on the flyer or poster.Geee the ifbb has never put me or other athletes on posters or mentioned someone who isn't going to be in a show.Come on stop reaching here
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Well Bob i havent seen it so i will tell u when i do.And for being on the flyer or poster.Geee the ifbb has never put me or other athletes on posters or mentioned someone who isn't going to be in a show.Come on stop reaching here
Thanks for that answer, Lee....now try answering the question.
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Thanks for that answer, Lee....now try answering the question.
WHICH WAS AGAIN? I THOUGHT I DID WHEN I SEE THE CONTRACT BOB HELLO EARTH TO BOB
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Thanks for that answer, Lee....now try answering the question.
Forget about the double standards Cicherillo.
Just help the Little Man out of the jam.
He'll hate you now, but love you later.
YIP
Zack
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Forget about the double standards Cicherillo.
Just help the Little Man out of the jam.
He'll hate you now, but love you later.
YIP
Zack
NO IT'S JUST ABOUT THE RULES THAT'S ALL.WHICH BOB HAS NO IDEA OR ANSWER FOR.YOU WOULD MAKE A GOOD POLITICIAN BOB NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION AND ARE FULL OF SHIT :)
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WHICH WAS AGAIN? I THOUGHT I DID WHEN I SEE THE CONTRACT BOB HELLO EARTH TO BOB
Lee, when you see the contract if it asks you to do anything above competing without extra compensation will you pull out of the NOC?
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Lee, when you see the contract if it asks you to do anything above competing without extra compensation will you pull out of the NOC?
Lee, to answer the stated question, you do not have to see the contract.
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NO IT'S JUST ABOUT THE RULES THAT'S ALL.WHICH BOB HAS NO IDEA OR ANSWER FOR.YOU WOULD MAKE A GOOD POLITICIAN BOB NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION AND ARE FULL OF SHIT :)
*I*, have no idea??...that's a switch. I've had some great answers for you, they just aren't what you want them to be, but they are accurate.
Both gentlemen have repeated the question for you...again.
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Lee, it's a simple question. Will you hold the PDI to the same standard you held the IFBB? Will you compete if you are required to do anything other than compete?
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Lee, it's a simple question. Will you hold the PDI to the same standard you held the IFBB? Will you compete if you are required to do anything other than compete?
#1the IFBB is below standard we all that. They have proven it years how many years now. And really why do you care. The IFBB sucks and Lee knows it. So does allot of the other members. He'll do what he wants to do. It has no bearing or relation to the IFBB contract. See the people behind IFBB contracts are not very nice people.
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#1the IFBB is below standard we all that. They have proven it years how many years now. And really why do you care. The IFBB sucks and Lee knows it. So does allot of the other members. He'll do what he wants to do. It has no bearing or relation to the IFBB contract. See the people behind IFBB contracts are not very nice people.
The point of the question is to see if Lee is going to hold the PDI to the same standard he held the IFBB too. If he didn't like that the IFBB wanted him to participate in more than actual competion, then he should hold the PDI to the same standard. It's about being Lee being consistent. If it was bad when the IFBB wanted him to participate in exracurricular activities then it should be bad if the PDI did the same.
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bumping for Lee to answer....
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bumping for Lee to answer....
bumping for chic stalking every PDI thread.
even though he doesn't care about it ;)
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Not a problem..his silence says it all.
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Not a problem..his silence says it all.
Chick, I'd like to serve you with this restraining order on behalf of all PDI fans and athletes.
It's getting creepy, brother!
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Lee is on the poster but had no idea LOL. Hasn't seen a contract, doesn't know anything about it. What a joke.
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Chick, I'd like to serve you with this restraining order on behalf of all PDI fans and athletes.
It's getting creepy, brother!
Nothing is creepier than you posting naked pictures of yourself "posing" on a 99% male bodybuilding site...believe me.
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Nothing is creepier than you posting naked pictures of yourself "posing" on a 99% male bodybuilding site...believe me.
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240,
It looks like at least 2 people on the poster have not signed contracts, despite you saying they all had.
Looking back on how you attacked Shawn about the comptetitors at his show, you seem very quiet about the PDI or do you accept that athletes may commit at an early stage and then drop out?
If so, you owe Shawn an apology.
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It looks like at least 2 people on the poster have not signed contracts, despite you saying they all had.
Looking back on how you attacked Shawn about the comptetitors at his show, you seem very quiet about the PDI or do you accept that athletes may commit at an early stage and then drop out?
If so, you owe Shawn an apology.
yawn. I made it very clear, kev-O, that athlete likenesses are used upon a poster after they give permission. Every athlete on that poster signed an agreement with the PDI.
Do you know what's in that agreement? Ummm ya don't.
They could have signed the use of their likeness for any number of marketing purposes.
We all know what the standard IFBB contract contains.
Can you tell me what the PDI contract contains?
Uh no, ya can't.
now quit stalking the PDI. It looks desperate on your part.
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yawn. I made it very clear, kev-O, that athlete likenesses are used upon a poster after they give permission. Every athlete on that poster signed an agreement with the PDI.
Do you know what's in that agreement? Ummm ya don't.
They could have signed the use of their likeness for any number of marketing purposes.
We all know what the standard IFBB contract contains.
Can you tell me what the PDI contract contains?
Uh no, ya can't.
now quit stalking the PDI. It looks desperate on your part.
So you find it acceptable that a PDI promoter can use any athlete's image to promote his show if they haven't signed a contract to appear, as long as they have signed an agreement with Wayne allowing their likeness to be used for any advertising purpose?
Please find me a similar clause in an IFBB contract.
The only PDI contract I've seen is one for the NY NOC.
The only one looking desperate is you to defend your reasoning behind attacking Shawn but defending the PDI.
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what i'm saying, sunshine, is that when the men sign a contract to join the PDI, they sign a contract. What is in that contract? You don't know and I don't know. but any wise businessman who planned on using their likenesses to advertise, would write that into the contract.
it's like middle school social studies class every time you try to talk contracts, kev-o.
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I wouldn't go to hackney If you paid me, I'd probably get attacked my Somali's.
Those fuckers are crazy.
Great place for a venue. ::)
There have been quite a few bodybuilding shows at the Hackney Empire and they all have been sucessful and popular. (Good lighting, etc).
Interesting however that the theatre's website doesn't mention this show http://www.hackneyempire.co.uk/ ...
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what i'm saying, sunshine, is that when the men sign a contract to join the PDI, they sign a contract. What is in that contract? You don't know and I don't know. but any wise businessman who planned on using their likenesses to advertise, would write that into the contract.
it's like middle school social studies class every time you try to talk contracts, kev-o.
Ok, take it slowly so I'll understand. I know you have your MBA so you must be an expert in these matters.
If you don't know what is in the contract why are you defending it based on your assumption of it's contents.?
So the PDI have them sign a contract that allows them to use their image on ANY advertising?
A PDI promoter could then use ANY or ALL athletes image on a poster to sell tickets even though the athletes have not signed to appear?
Do you think that is is fair on the fans?
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There have been quite a few bodybuilding shows at the Hackney Empire and they all have been sucessful and popular. (Good lighting, etc).
Interesting however that the theatre's website doesn't mention this show http://www.hackneyempire.co.uk/ ...
Actually allot of places do not put on their website anything prior to 30 days out. I'm not sure about this place but that's how it is here at some places.
Also, I now understand why Kevin and Issac and Chic want so many answers about what the PDI does even though they don't care. It is to basically justify what the IFBB does. Guys face it, you support a crooked and devious organization. This is a fact and no one disputes it even you. They have taken advantage of their members for decades now. Your unbelievable support of the IFBB regardless of their checkered past, supports the fact that you benefit greatly from their existance and no matter what they do that might be wrong, immoral or legally questionable you are guilty from association. You belong with the IFBB that is clear. I feel sorry for you. But I admit you take good pictures.
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OMG! You guys are missing the point with this entire discussion!
Don't you see the whole message of the poster???? I now, for the first time, beleive that PDI has a chance because Wayne Demilia is obviously a MARKETING GENIUS...
He made the one PDI athlete worth shit gigantic on the poster and he made the one who actually looks like shit keep his tank top on and buried him in the corner.
Be afraid, Mr. Manion, very afraid.
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Actually allot of places do not put on their website anything prior to 30 days out. I'm not sure about this place but that's how it is here at some places.
Also, I now understand why Kevin and Issac and Chic want so many answers about what the PDI does even though they don't care. It is to basically justify what the IFBB does. Guys face it, you support a crooked and devious organization. This is a fact and no one disputes it even you. They have taken advantage of their members for decades now. Your unbelievable support of the IFBB regardless of their checkered past, supports the fact that you benefit greatly from their existance and no matter what they do that might be wrong, immoral or legally questionable you are guilty from association. You belong with the IFBB that is clear. I feel sorry for you. But I admit you take good pictures.
I'm sure the Empire will update the site closer to the event.
How can a question about the athletes on a PDI poster be seen as support for the IFBB?
I didn't say hey guys, VinnyG is on the poster but he's not competing, the IFBB is great"
You also went at Shawn over the competitors list at his show.
Now when the PDI show athletes who have not signed to compete and someone asks about it, the best you can do to answer is attack the IFBB and say of myself and others "you support a crooked and devious organization. "
What has this situation got to do with the IFBB?
If 240 is correct and the athletes have signed contracts allowing their images to be used by promoters even when they may not be competing at that show, do you think that it is fair on the fans?
I'm not bashing the PDI or defending the IFBB, I'm just trying to show the double standards applied by some here.
Thanks for the compliment, I do appreciate it ;D
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Bob an unpaid athletes rep, really says it all doesnt it, the old saying you get what you pay for, and what does the ifbb pay him, nothing, why dont you give Lee and the PDI a break, some of us neutrals are getting sick of it, all this bashing of a federation that hasnt even put a show on yet, we all know most of the guys arent pro level but guess what, watch an ifbb show, half the guys in their shows couldnt place top 5 US nationals.
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bumping for Lee to answer....
Goddamn, that's one really annoying person...
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the hackney empire's actually a pretty good venue the areas pretty rough in places, but most areas have rough parts. brixton is probably one of the roughest places in london for crime and theres a dealer on every corner but its also got the brixton academy which is one of the best venues in all of london with the biggest bands in the world that have played there(maddonna,U2,coldplay etc)so just because its a bad area doesnt mean the venue is too
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the hackney empire's actually a pretty good venue the areas pretty rough in places, but most areas have rough parts. brixton is probably one of the roughest places in london for crime and theres a dealer on every corner but its also got the brixton academy which is one of the best venues in all of london with the biggest bands in the world that have played there(maddonna,U2,coldplay etc)so just because its a bad area doesnt mean the venue is too
Cool.
First, when I heard about it being in Horrible Hackney, I thought something was fcuked up.
But now, through yours and others posts, to me it seems like a fly place.
So I was wrong. Fcuking wrong, too. ;D
And nobody could be happier bout that than me.
YIP
Zack
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You mean this Bob??? ;D
Does anyone know when that photo was first posted and on which board?
I'm working on a project about the impact the internet has had on people from different backgrounds and the story behind that picture and subjects such as "meltdowns" would make for an interesting feature.
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Does anyone know when that photo was first posted and on which board?
I'm working on a project about the impact the internet has had on people from different backgrounds and the story behind that picture and subjects such as "meltdowns" would make for an interesting feature.
I don't know, but that pic is photoshopped.
YIP
Zack
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I don't know, but that pic is photoshopped.
YIP
Zack
The smile does looks a little stretched. But that adds to the story, an image gets posed either by the subjext or someone else, then gets distorted and used in hundreds of threads but never in a flattering way.
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The smile does looks a little stretched. But that adds to the story, an image gets posed either by the subjext or someone else, then gets distorted and used in hundreds of threads but never in a flattering way.
There is a picture of a Japanese fat guy, it's been photoshopped in any way you could think of.
YIP
Zack
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I don't know, but that pic is photoshopped.
YIP
Zack
Just the smile, that's about it. Nothing else has been altered
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Just the smile, that's about it. Nothing else has been altered
Vince would know...he has a good look at it every day.
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I am Bob's brutal owning. When I have no argument, I use 3-year old pics to make insults.
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so let's see some recent pics
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so let's see some recent pics
Vince, why post old pics of me? I've been very gracious about not posting morphed pics of you.
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Actually allot of places do not put on their website anything prior to 30 days out. I'm not sure about this place but that's how it is here at some places.
Also, I now understand why Kevin and Issac and Chic want so many answers about what the PDI does even though they don't care. It is to basically justify what the IFBB does. Guys face it, you support a crooked and devious organization. This is a fact and no one disputes it even you. They have taken advantage of their members for decades now. Your unbelievable support of the IFBB regardless of their checkered past, supports the fact that you benefit greatly from their existance and no matter what they do that might be wrong, immoral or legally questionable you are guilty from association. You belong with the IFBB that is clear. I feel sorry for you. But I admit you take good pictures.
Actually Keith I don't give two shits about it, it's funny to see you speak out of both sides of you mouth. You came on here proclaiming the site would be up weeks ago and the reason it wasn't up was because Wayne was hiring a professional to do it. That the site would blow away anything the IFBB would do. I find it hillarious that you are now coming back with this 30 days out bullshit. Any new organization with 1/2 a brain would have a place for interested parties to go to for more information like ticket sales, entry forms, more info. Contrary to popular belief not everyone in the world visits getbig. If you're spending the money to run ads and have marketing materials it's pretty easy to have a basic site up and put for more info visit: . Even YOU know that. Please don't insult us with this waiting 30 days crap for a website. You and have more excuses the Floyd Landis when it comes to trying to explain the PDI website or lack there of.
;D
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I guess he was talking about the venue's website, not the PDI website...
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Vince, why post old pics of me? I've been very gracious about not posting morphed pics of you.
I only post them when I'm asked to. Sorry, nothing personal. Just business
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Actually Keith I don't give two shits about it
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Really? Your over a 100 posts tell me otherwise. ::)
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I only post them when I'm asked to. Sorry, nothing personal. Just business
LOL...
So, let's get this straight.
The IFBB, which doesn't care about the PDI or the peanut gallery, is paying you to post naked pics of internet nobodies.
Pathetic.
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Actually Keith I don't give two shits about it, it's funny to see you speak out of both sides of you mouth. You came on here proclaiming the site would be up weeks ago and the reason it wasn't up was because Wayne was hiring a professional to do it. That the site would blow away anything the IFBB would do. I find it hillarious that you are now coming back with this 30 days out bullshit. Any new organization with 1/2 a brain would have a place for interested parties to go to for more information like ticket sales, entry forms, more info. Contrary to popular belief not everyone in the world visits getbig. If you're spending the money to run ads and have marketing materials it's pretty easy to have a basic site up and put for more info visit: . Even YOU know that. Please don't insult us with this waiting 30 days crap for a website. You and have more excuses the Floyd Landis when it comes to trying to explain the PDI website or lack there of.
;D
I doubt it's onlyme's fault that things are not going as planned with the PDI.
So why target him?
I can't believe you guys bitching about this, both PDI and IFBB guys. Guess what: It's not Lee Priest OR Cicherillo who's at fault here. Or onlyme OR LIFT OR 240orBust.
It all was so fcuking obvious at that press conference where DeMilia told Cicherillo that it wasn't the time to discuss the prize money for those not finishing in the top ten, the prize spread.
DeMilia:-This is not the right time Bob.
Cicherillo: -When IS the right time Wayne?
DeMilia:-(Blank)
Remember who we're dealing with here. DeMilia is a capable guy. But he is an ass as far as I'm concerned, and should be kept on tighter leash than Belladonna in a room of buttplugs.
So if something is lacking with the PDI, it's most likely due to DeMilia screwing the rest of the PDI guys, and they have nothing to do with it. No need to blame them IMO.
YIP
Zack
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I doubt it's onlyme's fault that things are not going as planned with the PDI.
So why target him?
I can't believe you guys bitching about this, both PDI and IFBB guys. Guess what: It's not Lee Priest OR Cicherillo who's at fault here. Or onlyme OR LIFT OR 240orBust.
It all was so fcuking obvious at that press conference where DeMilia told Cicherillo that it wasn't the time to discuss the prize money for those not finishing in the top ten, the prize spread.
DeMilia:-This is not the right time Bob.
Cicherillo: -When IS the right time Wayne?
DeMilia:-(Blank)
Remember who we're dealing with here. DeMilia is a capable guy. But he is an ass as far as I'm concerned, and should be kept on tighter leash than Belladonna in a room of buttplugs.
So if something is lacking with the PDI, it's most likely due to DeMilia screwing the rest of the PDI guys, and they have nothing to do with it. No need to blame them IMO.
YIP
Zack
I agree they have nothing to do with the PDI, Wayne doesn't share.
On the otherhand I think that guys like us need to post tough questions on bulletin boards. There is no other way that we can keep Wayne on his leash. He has no way of getting info or giving info, at this stage of the game this has got to be a plan. Any website can and would be up and running with the time that Wayne has had, unless he doesn't want the people to know.
Those who say they are for the Athletes should really be throwing the tough questions around and finding out if the PDI signed may/will get screwed over. No information for the general public is a really bad sign.
Vince and Vinny dropping out of the PDI should scream volumes to the advocates out there.
Let's make sure the PDI is going to start on the right foot so we don't have to tackle a 50 year Juggernaut for changes.
AND I would still like to hear Lee's answer....
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As I have made it clear that I am nothing more than a fan and a web designer, and I have no inside knowledge of PDI operations...
There are 2 sides to the coin. On one side, it is always nice for fans to have more info. We're curious. As are athletes, promoters, etc. more info would contribute to growth.
On the other side of the argument - every time the PDI does release something, you have the IFBB toolbox coming onto the boards and going on the radio station, bashing them nonstop and *interfering* with business. Calling insurance companies, talking to athletes and sponsors, etc... Does anyone believe that Vince Taylor would have been offered that guest posing the night of the NOC if Wayne had never announced that Taylor was crossing over?
If it was me, I would only put out the info which was 1) unable to be tampered with through devious means, and 2) useful for growth at the current time. The less Bob and crew know, the less they can try to belittle, demean, and fcuk up.
And of course, they'll say they don't care. but hundreds of posts and lots of obvious shadiness say otherwise.
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I agree they have nothing to do with the PDI, Wayne doesn't share.
On the otherhand I think that guys like us need to post tough questions on bulletin boards. There is no other way that we can keep Wayne on his leash. He has no way of getting info or giving info, at this stage of the game this has got to be a plan. Any website can and would be up and running with the time that Wayne has had, unless he doesn't want the people to know.
Those who say they are for the Athletes should really be throwing the tough questions around and finding out if the PDI signed may/will get screwed over. No information for the general public is a really bad sign.
Vince and Vinny dropping out of the PDI should scream volumes to the advocates out there.
Let's make sure the PDI is going to start on the right foot so we don't have to tackle a 50 year Juggernaut for changes.
AND I would still like to hear Lee's answer....
Sure. Hearing Lee's answer would be great.
Most important IMO is that it doesn't become a situation where Priest has no way out of the PDI. Where he's forced to compete.
I don't like olives. I do like olive branches however.
YIP
Zack
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I only post them when I'm asked to. Sorry, nothing personal. Just business
Hey, if you want to be known as a guy who will do such things for money, all the power to you.
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Hey, if you want to be known as a guy who will do such things for money, all the power to you.
Well, are you going to post some pictures or continue to duck the request?
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Well, are you going to post some pictures or continue to duck the request?
I posted some new pics on the members area last week. and I'll be posting new pics on Sept as an entrant to the Mr getbig contest.
Vince, i do find it weird that you would post naked pics to insult somebody, "because you're asked to". If somebody PMed me and asked me to do that, I would ask them why they lacked the courage to do it themselves. Then I would examine the situation to see if I really wanted to be known as a guy who will post morphed naked pics of strangers for compensation. Finally, I would realize that while you may say "nothing personal", posting nude pics of someone is quite personal, and very rude and unprofessional on all levels.
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Hey, if you want to be known as a guy who will do such things for money, all the power to you.
Yeah right, Like vince was really connected with someone at the direction of the IFBB ::)
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I posted some new pics on the members area last week. and I'll be posting new pics on Sept as an entrant to the Mr getbig contest.
Vince, i do find it weird that you would post naked pics to insult somebody, "because you're asked to". If somebody PMed me and asked me to do that, I would ask them why they lacked the courage to do it themselves. Then I would examine the situation to see if I really wanted to be known as a guy who will post morphed naked pics of strangers for compensation. Finally, I would realize that while you may say "nothing personal", posting nude pics of someone is quite personal, and very rude and unprofessional on all levels.
No, this one was a freebie and only person requested for me to do it.
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Yeah right, Like vince was really connected with someone at the direction of the IFBB ::)
No, I'm not connected to the IFBB and I don't work for them. I'm not on their payroll or anything. It is however no concern to anyone as to who I pass along messages for. As long as the message is heard loud and clear, I could care less
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No, this one was a freebie and only person requested for me to do it.
I think we can all agree the person who requested it is a coward.
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I think we can all agree the person who requested it is a coward.
I couldn't find your new pictures, where's the link
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86271.0;attach=92703;image)
Here you go.
And Vince, I gotta say, I've lost a bit of respect for you on this one.
I've stood up for you a lot this week, and praised your business practices and work ethic. I would think that it is above you to post naked pics of members as freebie favors to IFBB brass. I thought you were a better man than that, Vince.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86271.0;attach=92703;image)
Here you go.
And Vince, I gotta say, I've lost a bit of respect for you on this one.
I've stood up for you a lot this week, and praised your business practices and work ethic. I would think that it is above you to post naked pics of members as freebie favors to IFBB brass. I thought you were a better man than that, Vince.
How is posting pics of you, a faVour to the IFBB?
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How is posting pics of you, a faVour to the IFBB?
I have no clue. Maybe they feel that posting a pic of a small business owner with a grad degree who doesn't use drugs who supports the PDI is bad for the PDI's image?
Monster argument there.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=86271.0;attach=92703;image)
Here you go.
And Vince, I gotta say, I've lost a bit of respect for you on this one.
I've stood up for you a lot this week, and praised your business practices and work ethic. I would think that it is above you to post naked pics of members as freebie favors to IFBB brass. I thought you were a better man than that, Vince.
I appreciate the praise and I've praised your business as well.....
However, 240 remember that you're on Wayne and the PDI's side. I don't like Wayne and I certainly don't like the PDI. Its going to dilute the already small group of fans and its an illegitimate organization.
The USFL, AAU & the WBF were rival organizations but at least they actually had pro-athletes in their division. The PDI is a hodge-podge mix of of rank amatuers who haven't earned the right to be pros. At least Vince Galanti listened to our advice and made the wise decision to leave. He's the only one that had the balls to call out Wayne's B.S and had a lot to lose since he can turn pro at the Master Nationals next year.
Its not you 240 personally, its the PDI that I'm after and anyone associated with Wayne is on my list. Sorry bro, just doing the job I was asked to do
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I'm not on Wayne/PDI's side. I'm on the side of free market.
If the PDI completely destroyed the IFBB and became the monopoly, I would be sitting in the ditches with Bob Chic trying to get a new federation off the ground.
I'm about competition because it gives fans and atheltes more power, and Manion/DeMilia/Weiders LESS.
The only time anyone "wins" is when more than 10% of the atheltes are earning ANY money. Right now, only a small fraction of guys in either federation are earning a check. This is bad. Money needs to be spread more evenly.
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I'm not on Wayne/PDI's side. I'm on the side of free market.
If the PDI completely destroyed the IFBB and became the monopoly, I would be sitting in the ditches with Bob Chic trying to get a new federation off the ground.
I'm about competition because it gives fans and atheltes more power, and Manion/DeMilia/Weiders LESS.
The only time anyone "wins" is when more than 10% of the atheltes are earning ANY money. Right now, only a small fraction of guys in either federation are earning a check. This is bad. Money needs to be spread more evenly.
And what about the proceeds to DVD sales of the NOC and other related material. Are the PDI athletes going to see a dime of that???? Wayne is going to keep that money for himself, 240.
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What's this about a nude picture? Can someone repost this?
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And what about the proceeds to DVD sales of the NOC and other related material. Are the PDI athletes going to see a dime of that???? Wayne is going to keep that money for himself, 240.
I don't know, and none of us can do anything to influence that. Both feds do it.
But, if both feds succeed, then ONE of them will probably start a profit-sharing model to entice pros from the other. Then, they'll both have to do it, just to retain their guys. As the battle ensues for athletes, the monies they give them will have to keep going up, up and up.
IFBB has been the only game in town for a long time (the WBF hardly made a 2 year dent in anything) and guys are broke. You have 5 guys making a living and 50 selling dope. PDI alone isn't the answer. But competition IS.
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240,
You say that you're not on the side of the PDI yet whenever anyone asks a legitimate quustion your response is to insuit people. That's not being unbiased.
You called out Shawn over the competitors but you condone a PDI promoter using athletes images who have not signed to appear. Your reasoning behind it s because theuy've signed contracts with Wayne.
You claim to be independant but you owm and maintain a PDI site which continues to display false information. You have not updated it to include the recent developments with Vince Taylor and Vinny Galanti. It's easily proven by a phone call that the PDI's annnouncement about mefical checks was false, yet your only comment on it is to call someone a "toolbox".
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I appreciate the praise and I've praised your business as well.....
However, 240 remember that you're on Wayne and the PDI's side. I don't like Wayne and I certainly don't like the PDI. Its going to dilute the already small group of fans and its an illegitimate organization.
The USFL, AAU & the WBF were rival organizations but at least they actually had pro-athletes in their division. The PDI is a hodge-podge mix of of rank amatuers who haven't earned the right to be pros. At least Vince Galanti listened to our advice and made the wise decision to leave. He's the only one that had the balls to call out Wayne's B.S and had a lot to lose since he can turn pro at the Master Nationals next year.
Its not you 240 personally, its the PDI that I'm after and anyone associated with Wayne is on my list. Sorry bro, just doing the job I was asked to do
Vince can you tell me why you don't Wayne and exactly what did he do to you personally. HArd to hate someone so much that has never done anything to you directly. See when I show my hate it is towards people I have had actual contact with or done business with. How can you comeon here and hate Wayne so bad when as far as I would see you never met him or done business with him. You hate him from what you read. Please don't say that you called him and asked him to be a PDI Pro and he said no and now you hate him
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You say that you're not on the side of the PDI yet whenever anyone asks a legitimate quustion your response is to insuit people. That's not being unbiased.
You called out Shawn over the competitors but you condone a PDI promoter using athletes images who have not signed to appear. Your reasoning behind it s because theuy've signed contracts with Wayne. You claim to be independant but you owm and maintain a PDI site which continues to display false information. You have not updated it to include the recent developments with Vince Taylor and Vinny Galanti. It's easily proven by a phone call that the PDI's annnouncement about mefical checks was false, yet your only comment on it is to call someone a "toolbox".
Dude, I built and sold that website www.prodivisionbodybuild ing.com and prodivisionbbing.com back in late Feb. That is what I do. Come up with cool websites, then sell them to enterprising people with time and energy to grow them. The purchasing party has not yet remodeled or updated the site, but that is their perogative.
Kev-O, if you do not like the information on the site, I don't know what to tell you. (We all know that if I owned the site, you'd see the url written everywhere and anywhere lol)
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Kevin,
Is your pro IFBB internet policing on behalf of your fellow brit Mcgough?
it seems logical that he requested a henchman to defend the good name of the IFBB.
240,
You say that you're not on the side of the PDI yet whenever anyone asks a legitimate quustion your response is to insuit people. That's not being unbiased.
You called out Shawn over the competitors but you condone a PDI promoter using athletes images who have not signed to appear. Your reasoning behind it s because theuy've signed contracts with Wayne.
You claim to be independant but you owm and maintain a PDI site which continues to display false information. You have not updated it to include the recent developments with Vince Taylor and Vinny Galanti. It's easily proven by a phone call that the PDI's annnouncement about mefical checks was false, yet your only comment on it is to call someone a "toolbox".
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Dude, I built and sold that website www.prodivisionbodybuild ing.com and prodivisionbbing.com back in late Feb. That is what I do. Come up with cool websites, then sell them to enterprising people with time and energy to grow them. The purchasing party has not yet remodeled or updated the site, but that is their perogative.
Kev-O, if you do not like the information on the site, I don't know what to tell you. (We all know that if I owned the site, you'd see the url written everywhere and anywhere lol)
"That is what I do. Come up with cool websites,"
www.10minuteflash.com
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Vince can you tell me why you don't Wayne and exactly what did he do to you personally. HArd to hate someone so much that has never done anything to you directly. See when I show my hate it is towards people I have had actual contact with or done business with. How can you comeon here and hate Wayne so bad when as far as I would see you never met him or done business with him. You hate him from what you read. Please don't say that you called him and asked him to be a PDI Pro and he said no and now you hate him
That's none of your business,
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Kevin,
Is your pro IFBB internet policing on behalf of your fellow brit Mcgough?
it seems logical that he requested a henchman to defend the good name of the IFBB.
No, my interest in the PDI has nothing to do with my friendship wiht Peter.
Why is questioning the PDI seen as a defence of the IFBB?
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Dude, I built and sold that website www.prodivisionbodybuild ing.com and prodivisionbbing.com back in late Feb. That is what I do. Come up with cool websites, then sell them to enterprising people with time and energy to grow them. The purchasing party has not yet remodeled or updated the site, but that is their perogative.
Kev-O, if you do not like the information on the site, I don't know what to tell you. (We all know that if I owned the site, you'd see the url written everywhere and anywhere lol)
It is rather strange that the new owners have not updated the site since you sold them. But as you say, that is their perogative.
Now, what about the issue of the promoter's poster?
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That's none of your business,
Translation: I really don't know anything about Wayne. It's obvious by now that I'm an attention whore that will do anything to keep my name and ugly face in the front of people's minds.
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It is rather strange that the new owners have not updated the site since you sold them. But as you say, that is their perogative.
You said the same thing when I sold the titus site, doubted up and down that I sold it, didn't ya?
Now, what about the issue of the promoter's poster?
What about the issue? Have you emailed Wayne about it yet, or are you still getting your information from strangers on message boards who don't have the answers?
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You said the same thing when I sold the titus site, doubted up and down that I sold it, didn't ya?
What about the issue? Have you emailed Wayne about it yet, or are you still getting your information from strangers on message boards who don't have the answers?
I'm not asking for an answer, I'm asking your opinion. Do you consider it ok for a pronoter to use images of athletes who have not agreed to compete at their show. Yes or No?
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I'm not asking for an answer, I'm asking your opinion.
My opinion is that I do not know the terms of the contract that athletes sign. Does it contain a clause saying that their likeness can be used for any PDI marketing efforts?
I don't know. What did Wayne say when you emailed him?
Wait...
you didn't email him, didja?
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My opinion is that I do not know the terms of the contract that athletes sign. Does it contain a clause saying that their likeness can be used for any PDI marketing efforts?
I don't know. What did Wayne say when you emailed him?
Wait...
you didn't email him, didja?
Monster deflection yet again.
The question was about your opinion on promoters using images of athletes who have not agreed to compete at their show.
For your information I have e-mailed Wayne.
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Well, I like Peter and I like Kevin and I don't see any problem in people sticking up for their friends or people they like/admire. Aren't you doing the same thing about the PDI/Wayne 240?
Max.
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Well, I like Peter and I like Kevin and I don't see any problem in people sticking up for their friends or people they like/admire. Aren't you doing the same thing about the PDI/Wayne 240?
Max.
You can expect a huge hug next time I see you ;D
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Well, I like Peter and I like Kevin and I don't see any problem in people sticking up for their friends or people they like/admire. Aren't you doing the same thing about the PDI/Wayne 240? Max.
I don't know the details yet. And the last thing i want to do is give the anti-competition group a nice quote to use.
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Ok then 240, as you wish.
Kev, anytime buddy. LOL!!
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I don't know the details yet. And the last thing i want to do is give the anti-competition group a nice quote to use.
I think I am missing something...
Yes competition should be a good thing, but since your letting the PDI do whatever they choose without questioning it like you do with the IFBB are you allowing the PDI to come on the scene and use their contracted athletes any which way they see fit? With Wayne's contract and the one clause that he can fire anybody if their physique doesn't match up, this one thing alone can be used to control his athletes with an ironfist, since it based on Wayne's opinion if they "make the grade" or not. Seems like a great way to dispose of people with their own thoughts if need be.
So your advocating that as well then?
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I think I am missing something...
Yes competition should be a good thing, but since your letting the PDI do whatever they choose without questioning it like you do with the IFBB are you allowing the PDI to come on the scene and use their contracted athletes any which way they see fit? With Wayne's contract and the one clause that he can fire anybody if their physique doesn't match up, this one thing alone can be used to control his athletes with an ironfist, since it based on Wayne's opinion if they "make the grade" or not. Seems like a great way to dispose of people with their own thoughts if need be.
So your advocating that as well then?
for real
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Kevin,
Is your pro IFBB internet policing on behalf of your fellow brit Mcgough?
it seems logical that he requested a henchman to defend the good name of the IFBB.
yes it is
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That's none of your business,
So that means no. Yes just as I thought. Vince I feel sorry for you. A suggestion, stay off the boards and concentrate on your flea market crap. You have no business on here. You waste bandwidth. I'm sure you heard that growing up too though
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yes it is
I tell you what it's called. It's called "loyalty", something that is missing a lot in the world lately. How about not biting the hand that feeds you and remembering who has helped you at one point or another in your carreer and show gratitude instead of turning your back on them or always looking for something better somewhere else.
There can always be better but remember, there can always be worse, A LOT WORSE!
Something to think about.
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I don't know the details yet. And the last thing i want to do is give the anti-competition group a nice quote to use.
But you were prepared to shout your mouth off at Shawn!
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But you were prepared to shout your mouth off at Shawn!
Exactly. 240 - come on bro, we all see it. You and Keith love to bash on Shawn and the Co Pro show. When others present similar questions about the pdi you have an excuse. If the Co pro show had no web site you'd be all over his ass. I'm not saying the lack of a site is either of yours fault but don't try to defend it with deflections.
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Well, as we all know it's very dangerous to comment on message boards on any project in which you are in any way involved. I was free to give my opinion on the Colo show, as a fan who 1) loved to argue with shawn, and 2) saw hat shawn was playing the old switcheroo.
I don't feel comfy commenting on this situation. Already, after telling myself I'd avoid the Rhino/Chic issue, I did chime in when Chic was starting victory threads when he was completely wrong, so I butted in to deliver proof and well, Chic decided to "drop it".
In this situation, you'll see I'm not blindly defending anyone or anything. I stated that indeed, if you see an athletes face on a poster, it is there because a signature was put on paper giving permission by that athlete. No man would use someone's likeness without legal permission, or he could be sued for his shirt. That can go for a PDI ad, a walmart commercial, or a political party yard poster. The guys on that poster have signed something permitting their image and likeness to be used for PDI marketing purposes, right?
Now, on that particular PDI show, I do not know the details enough to speak either way, and even if I did, my involvement with web design for some of the PDI guys would make any statement unprofessional. Same with the radio show, the show schedule, etc - I'll never speak on it publicly. I know better than anyone, that anything you post on the boards can be easily misconstrued.
Do i support competition? hell yes. The more the merrier. I wish Tre' would co-found a female federation this spring and make stars out of a lot of the ladies. Then maybe another BBing federation for under 200-lbers only, in the fall of 06. There is room for growth, and anytime you have more than one company in a field, all employees and customers will make more money.
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The guys on that poster have signed something permitting their image and likeness to be used for PDI marketing purposes, right?
At the moment I do not know the contents of the membership contract of the PDI. What we do know is that at least 2 of the athletes featured on that poster have not signed contracts to compete.
You call yourself a fan, so from a fans perspective, do you consider it right that an athletes image be used to advertise a competition that they have not contracted to enter. It's a simple question requiring a yes or no answer.
Now, on that particular PDI show, I do not know the details enough to speak either way, and even if I did, my involvement with web design for some of the PDI guys would make any statement unprofessional.
The details of the show are clear. Nobody is asking you to make an evaluation of one of your clients physiques. You claim to be independant of any organisation so what's your personal opinion on this issue. You've been very vocal in the past over athletes appearing at shows, so how come the reluctance now?
It's also odd that you claim it unprofessional to discuss a promoters poster, yet you have a record of insulting a number of athletes.
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I tell you what it's called. It's called "loyalty", something that is missing a lot in the world lately. How about not biting the hand that feeds you and remembering who has helped you at one point or another in your carreer and show gratitude instead of turning your back on them or always looking for something better somewhere else.
There can always be better but remember, there can always be worse, A LOT WORSE!
Something to think about.
I agree 100%. I too am very loyal. A major reason why I don't like Manion is cause his lack of loyalty. Weider is on a whole different level.
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Well, as we all know it's very dangerous to comment on message boards on any project in which you are in any way involved. I was free to give my opinion on the Colo show, as a fan who 1) loved to argue with shawn, and 2) saw hat shawn was playing the old switcheroo.
I don't feel comfy commenting on this situation. Already, after telling myself I'd avoid the Rhino/Chic issue, I did chime in when Chic was starting victory threads when he was completely wrong, so I butted in to deliver proof and well, Chic decided to "drop it".
In this situation, you'll see I'm not blindly defending anyone or anything. I stated that indeed, if you see an athletes face on a poster, it is there because a signature was put on paper giving permission by that athlete. No man would use someone's likeness without legal permission, or he could be sued for his shirt. That can go for a PDI ad, a walmart commercial, or a political party yard poster. The guys on that poster have signed something permitting their image and likeness to be used for PDI marketing purposes, right?
Now, on that particular PDI show, I do not know the details enough to speak either way, and even if I did, my involvement with web design for some of the PDI guys would make any statement unprofessional. Same with the radio show, the show schedule, etc - I'll never speak on it publicly. I know better than anyone, that anything you post on the boards can be easily misconstrued.
Do i support competition? hell yes. The more the merrier. I wish Tre' would co-found a female federation this spring and make stars out of a lot of the ladies. Then maybe another BBing federation for under 200-lbers only, in the fall of 06. There is room for growth, and anytime you have more than one company in a field, all employees and customers will make more money.
I don't quite get it.
You don't feel comfy commenting on some of the tougher questions raised regarding PDI, some of them quite legit, IMO.
Due to business with PDI athletes and so forth.
So why are you at all posting on PDI/IFBB organisation topics? If you don't feel comfy commenting on some of it?
YIP
Zack
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So 240...
What you believe is this then.
"Whatever PDI does with its contracted athletes is okay by me because I am lining my pockets."
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Lee, it's a simple question. Will you hold the PDI to the same standard you held the IFBB? Will you compete if you are required to do anything other than compete?
Why is it PDI guys don't answer direct questions? ??? ??? ???
Still waiting for Lee on this one.....
God I wish Adela was there to read it to you...
Hint: a keyword should involve principles
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Well, as we all know it's very dangerous to comment on message boards on any project in which you are in any way involved. I was free to give my opinion on the Colo show, as a fan who 1) loved to argue with shawn, and 2) saw hat shawn was playing the old switcheroo.
I don't feel comfy commenting on this situation. Already, after telling myself I'd avoid the Rhino/Chic issue, I did chime in when Chic was starting victory threads when he was completely wrong, so I butted in to deliver proof and well, Chic decided to "drop it".
A. Did I drop it? I believe sufficient time was given to produce proof, and nothing was brought forward other than heresay....the issue itself was dropped as the answer was quite obvious.
In this situation, you'll see I'm not blindly defending anyone or anything. I stated that indeed, if you see an athletes face on a poster, it is there because a signature was put on paper giving permission by that athlete. No man would use someone's likeness without legal permission, or he could be sued for his shirt. That can go for a PDI ad, a walmart commercial, or a political party yard poster. The guys on that poster have signed something permitting their image and likeness to be used for PDI marketing purposes, right?
A. The question wasn't whether Wayne had "permission" to use photos, it was whether these athletes were ACTUALLY COMPETING, like LEE who said himself...he hadn't seen the contract yet. You know, the same argument YOU used for the Colo Pro...
Now, on that particular PDI show, I do not know the details enough to speak either way, and even if I did, my involvement with web design for some of the PDI guys would make any statement unprofessional. Same with the radio show, the show schedule, etc - I'll never speak on it publicly. I know better than anyone, that anything you post on the boards can be easily misconstrued.
Do i support competition? hell yes. The more the merrier. I wish Tre' would co-found a female federation this spring and make stars out of a lot of the ladies. Then maybe another BBing federation for under 200-lbers only, in the fall of 06. There is room for growth, and anytime you have more than one company in a field, all employees and customers will make more money.
Amazing that you feel "comfy" commenting on IFBB matters, when you have zero knowledge of anything ... then backpeddle in record time when asked to answer the same questions regarding the PDI. Stop acting like you're some sort of authority on bodybuilding, when you have yet to leave your house or have any REAL experience in the game.
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DeMilia is sending a message to Galanti that he's gonna fcuk him up for leaving the PDI. ;D
I'm sure DeMilia will get lots of heat from some people for putting up people on the poster that aren't even gonna compete.
Since I doubt DeMilia will pay the trip over the pond, I'm sure you won't see Jack London or any of his fellow Americans compete there either.
Just a guess though. I have nothing of any substance on that.
YIP
Zack
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Amazing that you feel "comfy" commenting on IFBB matters, when you have zero knowledge of anything ... then backpeddle in record time when asked to answer the same questions regarding the PDI. Stop acting like you're some sort of authority on bodybuilding, when you have yet to leave your house or have any REAL experience in the game.
he left the house the other day for your information. ::)
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Why is it PDI guys don't answer direct questions? ??? ??? ???
Still waiting for Lee on this one.....
God I wish Adela was there to read it to you...
Hint: a keyword should involve principles
Hi Raquel.
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Christ you would think that you would at least be able to get my name right >:(
What is your name????
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No, my interest in the PDI has nothing to do with my friendship wiht Peter.
Why is questioning the PDI seen as a defence of the IFBB?
Receiving paychecks from the same magazine that calls itself the "official journal of the IFBB", which is also
run by your pal Mcgough removes any possibility of you actually having an objective opinion.
The PDI is competition, and the IFBB followers (i.e. you) don't like it for that simple reason.
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Receiving paychecks from the same magazine that calls itself the "official journal of the IFBB", which is also
run by your pal Mcgough removes any possibility of you actually having an objective opinion.
The PDI is competition, and the IFBB followers (i.e. you) don't like it for that simple reason.
I love hearing monster truth.
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Receiving paychecks from the same magazine that calls itself the "official journal of the IFBB", which is also
run by your pal Mcgough removes any possibility of you actually having an objective opinion.
The PDI is competition, and the IFBB followers (i.e. you) don't like it for that simple reason.
So you must then consider 240 to be devoid of objective opinion about the PDI because he receives payments?
The PDI is not credible competition to any federation.
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I love hearing monster truth.
Have you signed a contract to compete at the British GP?
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The PDI is not credible competition to any federation.
So stop spending 3 hours of every day bashing it.
Dude, you're seriously looking scared here. Relax, take your prozac, and reorganize your priorities.
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Have you signed a contract to compete at the British GP?
Thats none of your fucking business. Why don't we discuss your contracts, and whether they are in jeopardy with the sale of the mags?
Don't you address me like it means anything, I'm not some stupid kid.
You see me on the poster, you want to see me, go to the show. My business dealings are none of your fucking business.
Understand, I have about had it with you ifbb puppets. you're a joke.
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So stop spending 3 hours of every day bashing it.
Dude, you're seriously looking scared here. Relax, take your prozac, and reorganize your priorities.
You really do need to learn the difference between asking legitimate questions and "bashing".
I'd suggest that you five Scott Horton a call - his number is on the poster and ask him about this show. Let's see you explain this one.
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Have you signed a contract to compete at the British GP?
You know, I wonder if you and your counterparts realize how fucking insignicant you really are in the real world?????
Insignificant, and yet such narsacists, that you don't even realize it....
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Thats none of your fucking business. Why don't we discuss your contracts, and whether they are in jeopardy with the sale of the mags?
Don't you address me like it means anything, I'm not some stupid kid.
You see me on the poster, you want to see me, go to the show. My business dealings are none of your fucking business.
Understand, I have about had it with you ifbb puppets. you're a joke.
Oh dear, poor little Rhino has thrown his toys out of the pram.
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Oh dear, poor little Rhino has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Poor liitle Rhino has better things to do than even achknowlege your pittiful existence. You love yourself way too much, the winds of chnge are coming, and you can't stop them...
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Oh dear, poor little Rhino has thrown his toys out of the pram.
Remember my words..."insignificant"
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Remember my words..."insignificant"
That's one word.
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That's one word.
Ha, Ha......okay, how bout "insignicant pions"
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Ha, Ha......okay, how bout "insignicant pions"
Are we now discussing your bodybuilding career?
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For the record.
I just spoke to the management at the Hackney Empire and they say that no contract has been signed for this show. If anyone wants to call them to verify this the number is not correct on the poster. The correct number is 0208 985 2424. If you're calling from outside the uk it 44 208 985 2424.
I also spoke with Scott Hortin the promoter who is an extremely nice guy and he said has nothing to do with this show and has not given permission for his name to be used on the poster.
I asked him if Jack "Rhino" London had signed a contract to compete and he said "Who"
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For the record.
I just spoke to the management at the Hackney Empire and they say that no contract has been signed for this show. If anyone wants to call them to verify this the number is not correct on the poster. The correct number is 0208 985 2424. If you're calling from outside the uk it 44 208 985 2424.
I also spoke with Scott Hortin the promoter who is an extremely nice guy and he said has nothing to do with this show and has not given permission for his name to be used on the poster.
I asked him if Jack "Rhino" London had signed a contract to compete and he said "Who"
hahahahahaha
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For the record.
I just spoke to the management at the Hackney Empire and they say that no contract has been signed for this show. If anyone wants to call them to verify this the number is not correct on the poster. The correct number is 0208 985 2424. If you're calling from outside the uk it 44 208 985 2424.
I also spoke with Scott Hortin the promoter who is an extremely nice guy and he said has nothing to do with this show and has not given permission for his name to be used on the poster.
I asked him if Jack "Rhino" London had signed a contract to compete and he said "Who"
What What WHAT????
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For the record.
I just spoke to the management at the Hackney Empire and they say that no contract has been signed for this show. If anyone wants to call them to verify this the number is not correct on the poster. The correct number is 0208 985 2424. If you're calling from outside the uk it 44 208 985 2424.
I also spoke with Scott Hortin the promoter who is an extremely nice guy and he said has nothing to do with this show and has not given permission for his name to be used on the poster.
I asked him if Jack "Rhino" London had signed a contract to compete and he said "Who"
pwned. ;D
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For the record.
I just spoke to the management at the Hackney Empire and they say that no contract has been signed for this show. If anyone wants to call them to verify this the number is not correct on the poster. The correct number is 0208 985 2424. If you're calling from outside the uk it 44 208 985 2424.
I also spoke with Scott Hortin the promoter who is an extremely nice guy and he said has nothing to do with this show and has not given permission for his name to be used on the poster.
I asked him if Jack "Rhino" London had signed a contract to compete and he said "Who"
I have never met this guy, true. But I do happen to know someone who is primarily invloved. Stop trying to discredit the PDI.
Are you so stupid not to realize that the more you talk about me, the more popular I become?
I have been holding this in, but Wayne and I laugh at you on a daily basis.
Don't you have some's picture to take???
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pwned. ;D
No, not so much. You think I really give a shit what this glorified Schmoe has to say?
I mean really, he is a photographer......and barely one at that.
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What What WHAT????
And you, knucklehead......maybe you should check musclememory, and see who won the 1996 nabba north america.
Idiots!
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And you, knucklehead......maybe you should check musclememory, and see who won the 1996 nabba north america.
Idiots!
Blah, blah, blah....everyone knows the "musclememory" listing was added LAST WEEK...maybe you should check your drawer for a SINGLE picture of your moment of glory, how about someone else you competed against, or come up with a judge that was there, or a fan who attended, or a sponsor that was set up there....
Why get all pissed of when Kevin presents facts...If none if it is true? tell us all what the real deal is.
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I have never met this guy, true. But I do happen to know someone who is primarily invloved. Stop trying to discredit the PDI.
Are you so stupid not to realize that the more you talk about me, the more popular I become?
I have been holding this in, but Wayne and I laugh at you on a daily basis.
Don't you have some's picture to take???
The PDI is more than capable of discrediting itself and your childish outburst only contributes to it.
If my questions make you more popular then you should thank me rather than insult me.
I'm glad my posts amuse you, I feel the same when I see your photos.
No more work for me today, it's 6.30 pm here in the UK. You are aware of things called time zones aren't you?
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The PDI is more than capable of discrediting itself and your childish outburst only contributes to it.
If my questions make you more popular then you should thank me rather than insult me.
I'm glad my posts amuse you, I feel the same when I see your photos.
No more work for me today, it's 6.30 pm here in the UK. You are aware of things called time zones aren't you?
The only "zone" he's familiar with is the "Twilight Zone"...site of the N. American he "won".
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No, not so much. You think I really give a shit what this glorified Schmoe has to say?
I mean really, he is a photographer......and barely one at that.
Oh now you've gone and hurt my feelings.
All this anger because I asked if you'd signed to appear at the British.
Stick the dummy back in your mouth and get training.
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The only "zone" he's familiar with is the "Twilight Zone"...site of the N. American he "won".
Is that the same show that NABBA USA do not consider to be a qualifier for the Worlds? Makes you wonder what he did to get the invitation.
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Is that the same show that NABBA USA do not consider to be a qualifier for the Worlds? Makes you wonder what he did to get the invitation.
I'm done with you two idiots. See you in London, if you have the balls to come up to me.
As far as being a dummy, I could run circles around both of you intelectually. I have more education, than probably both your families collectively.
Dummy??? (LOL)...okay, I handle a billion dallor account for the largest bank in the world, and you, ummmm take pictures.
okay, take about delusional.
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I'm done with you two idiots. See you in London, if you have the balls to come up to me.
As far as being a dummy, I could run circles around both of you intelectually. I have more education, than probably both your families collectively.
Dummy??? (LOL)...okay, I handle a billion dallor account for the largest bank in the world, and you, ummmm take pictures.
okay, take about delusional.
Oh, I am done now, don't bother responding, as I need to go close another $500,000 deal..
research that fuckhead.
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I'm done with you two idiots. See you in London, if you have the balls to come up to me.
As far as being a dummy, I could run circles around both of you intelectually. I have more education, than probably both your families collectively.
Dummy??? (LOL)...okay, I handle a billion dallor account for the largest bank in the world, and you, ummmm take pictures.
okay, take about delusional.
I'm more than happy to meet you in London. My e-mail address is on my profile here. Wayne has my number.
I didn't call you a dummy, I said put it back in your mouth. I now realise that in the US, what we refer to as a dummy, is a pacifier.
Worlds largest bank? I thought you worked at CitiGroup?
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Oh, I am done now, don't bother responding, as I need to go close another $500,000 deal..
research that fuckhead.
One minute it's a billion dollar deal, now it's half a million!
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One minute it's a billion dollar deal, now it's half a million!
It's a billion dollar account dickhead, half a million dollar deal...... research that.
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I handle a billion dallor account for the largest bank in the world,
That's an awful lot of janitorial supplies. You sure you're not being wasteful with the floor polish?
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For the record.
I just spoke to the management at the Hackney Empire and they say that no contract has been signed for this show. If anyone wants to call them to verify this the number is not correct on the poster. The correct number is 0208 985 2424. If you're calling from outside the uk it 44 208 985 2424.
I also spoke with Scott Hortin the promoter who is an extremely nice guy and he said has nothing to do with this show and has not given permission for his name to be used on the poster.
I asked him if Jack "Rhino" London had signed a contract to compete and he said "Who"
stop embarassing yourself.
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It's a billion dollar account dickhead, half a million dollar deal...... research that.
You really need to relax, you'll get water retention from the stress.
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stop embarassing yourself.
I think the person who should be embarrassed is the one who produced the poster.
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Receiving paychecks from the same magazine that calls itself the "official journal of the IFBB", which is also
run by your pal Mcgough removes any possibility of you actually having an objective opinion.
The PDI is competition, and the IFBB followers (i.e. you) don't like it for that simple reason.
FLEX is in many ways a fcuking joke.
The way they won't let any of their writers do investigative journalism, articles that matters.
Articles like McGough's interview with Mentzer. Could be one of the best pieces in FLEX ever.
Nowadays, they're not critically looking into the PDI. But rather either ignoring it, or commenting on it. What kind of fcuked up journalism is that?
Tons of credit to Ron for bringing the questions to Wayne DeMilia, asking the questions, getting DeMilia to speak.
When it comes to the PDI, you can't use FLEX as a serious source. Right now, FLEX has no credibility in the area of good journalism.
YIP
Zack
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FLEX is in many ways a fcuking joke.
The way they won't let any of their writers do investigative journalism, articles that matters.
Articles like McGough's interview with Mentzer. Could be one of the best pieces in FLEX ever.
Nowadays, they're not critically looking into the PDI. But rather either ignoring it, or commenting on it. What kind of fcuked up journalism is that?
Tons of credit to Ron for bringing the questions to Wayne DeMilia, asking the questions, getting DeMilia to speak.
When it comes to the PDI, you can't use FLEX as a serious source. Right now, FLEX has no credibility in the area of good journalism.
YIP
Zack
Personally I like FLEX ;D
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Thats none of your fucking business. Why don't we discuss your contracts, and whether they are in jeopardy with the sale of the mags?
Don't you address me like it means anything, I'm not some stupid kid.
You see me on the poster, you want to see me, go to the show. My business dealings are none of your fucking business.
Understand, I have about had it with you ifbb puppets. you're a joke.
hey you fat bastard...now we see why wayne chose a mental institution for medical checkups...you're a joke to even phathom calling yourself a pro...you lick horton's balls one minute trying to get him to photograph you the next you go rhino ape shit on him...everyone knows you're a joke...you can't even take your shirt off for the poster photo...go back to kissing jimmy the god's ass...he seems to be the only one who loves you...
now if you'll excuse me I have a lap dance to get from your ex-wife.
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hey you fat bastard...now we see why wayne chose a mental institution for medical checkups...you're a joke to even phathom calling yourself a pro...you lick horton's balls one minute trying to get him to photograph you the next you go rhino ape shit on him...everyone knows you're a joke...you can't even take your shirt off for the poster photo...go back to kissing jimmy the god's ass...he seems to be the only one who loves you...
now if you'll excuse me I have a lap dance to get from your ex-wife.
Chick bringing teh heat.
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For the record.
I just spoke to the management at the Hackney Empire and they say that no contract has been signed for this show. If anyone wants to call them to verify this the number is not correct on the poster. The correct number is 0208 985 2424. If you're calling from outside the uk it 44 208 985 2424.
I also spoke with Scott Hortin the promoter who is an extremely nice guy and he said has nothing to do with this show and has not given permission for his name to be used on the poster.
I asked him if Jack "Rhino" London had signed a contract to compete and he said "Who"
All this seems very strange.
Good research. Stuff like this should be in FLEX, Muscletech/Mag and MD.
YIP
Zack
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I'm done with you two idiots. See you in London, if you have the balls to come up to me.
As far as being a dummy, I could run circles around both of you intelectually. I have more education, than probably both your families collectively.
Dummy??? (LOL)...okay, I handle a billion dallor account for the largest bank in the world, and you, ummmm take pictures.
okay, take about delusional.
If you were REALLY smart, you would've picked a show that not everyone and their mother could research in 2 minutes and clearly see it never happened...
You may very well be "book smart"...but common sense waved "bye bye" to you some time ago.
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Ha, Ha......okay, how bout "insignicant pions"
AGREED!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=88671.0;attach=95672;image)
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hey you fat bastard...now we see why wayne chose a mental institution for medical checkups...you're a joke to even phathom calling yourself a pro...you lick horton's balls one minute trying to get him to photograph you the next you go rhino ape shit on him...everyone knows you're a joke...you can't even take your shirt off for the poster photo...go back to kissing jimmy the god's ass...he seems to be the only one who loves you...
now if you'll excuse me I have a lap dance to get from your ex-wife.
You deserve her.
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You may very well be "book smart"...but common sense waved "bye bye" to you some time ago.
It's not very smart of him to insult a customer of the company he works for either!
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It's not very smart of him to insult a customer of the company he works for either!
Okay knucleheads, enough...... I have stirred it enough.....
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hey you fat bastard...now we see why wayne chose a mental institution for medical checkups...you're a joke to even phathom calling yourself a pro...you lick horton's balls one minute trying to get him to photograph you the next you go rhino ape shit on him...everyone knows you're a joke...you can't even take your shirt off for the poster photo...go back to kissing jimmy the god's ass...he seems to be the only one who loves you...
now if you'll excuse me I have a lap dance to get from your ex-wife.
You know, now that I think about it, I would not even wish her on you, I could not hate anyone enough to sick that women on anyone....
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Personally I like FLEX ;D
If I were you, I would be looking for a new job. From what I understand, once it changes hands, you will be one of the first to go(LOL)...
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hey you fat bastard...now we see why wayne chose a mental institution for medical checkups...you're a joke to even phathom calling yourself a pro...you lick horton's balls one minute trying to get him to photograph you the next you go rhino ape shit on him...everyone knows you're a joke...you can't even take your shirt off for the poster photo...go back to kissing jimmy the god's ass...he seems to be the only one who loves you...
now if you'll excuse me I have a lap dance to get from your ex-wife.
By the way, I never thought, nor did I want, horton to photograph me, I just wanted to see his excuse. Manion would never allow that.
Anyway, keep talking about me, fact is I am one of the most discussed bodybuilders in the world.....
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If I were you, I would be looking for a new job. From what I understand, once it changes hands, you will be one of the first to go(LOL)...
Thank you for your concern but I'll be fine whoever purchases the magazines. As for what you understand, it's about as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
I'd suggest you pay more attention to your job. If you don't maintain that billion dollar account of yours they'll move you out of that 9 foot square cubicle you inhabit.
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By the way, I never thought, nor did I want, horton to photograph me, I just wanted to see his excuse. Manion would never allow that.
Anyway, keep talking about me, fact is I am one of the most discussed bodybuilders in the world.....
liar...liar...london's pants are on fire...you lie'n sack of dung...you would eat the corn out of horton's crap if you could have the chance to shoot with him...remember it's your dream to be on a cover over a magazine...hell maybe that lopez guy can put you on his hardfitness magazine cover...you have a similar physique to some of those women...talking about you is like reading the daily comics...always good for a laugh...
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By the way, I never thought, nor did I want, horton to photograph me, I just wanted to see his excuse. Manion would never allow that.
Anyway, keep talking about me, fact is I am one of the most discussed bodybuilders in the world.....
Please reveal the reason I gave for not phtographing you.
Why would Jim Manion care about who I photograph? Are you so delusional to think that a photograph of you is going to be the downfall of the NPC or the IFBB?
Seriously Jack, I tried to be nice to you before but you've chosen to start with the insults. I'm now happy to continue.
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Please reveal the reason I gave for not phtographing you.
Why would Jim Manion care about who I photograph? Are you so delusional to think that a photograph of you is going to be the downfall of the NPC or the IFBB?
Seriously Jack, I tried to be nice to you before but you've chosen to start with the insults. I'm now happy to continue.
Are you this profesional with every prospective client?
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Please reveal the reason I gave for not phtographing you.
Why would Jim Manion care about who I photograph? Are you so delusional to think that a photograph of you is going to be the downfall of the NPC or the IFBB?
Seriously Jack, I tried to be nice to you before but you've chosen to start with the insults. I'm now happy to continue.
You tried to be nice???? Please, you and rest of your PDI hatin group can go pound sand.
You can dish it, but you can't take it.
Oh, and don't be so arrogant that you should give me advice on how to run my business, I got here on my merits, not your advice....save it for someone who cares..
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Thank you for your concern but I'll be fine whoever purchases the magazines. As for what you understand, it's about as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.
I'd suggest you pay more attention to your job. If you don't maintain that billion dollar account of yours they'll move you out of that 9 foot square cubicle you inhabit.
One other thing, I talk down to you, because you and your chronies talk down to everyone else,
you don't have the intellectual capacity to even comprehend the depth of what I do from a mathmatical standpoint.
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I got here on my merits, not your advice....save it for someone who cares..
you got here by a faxing a letter to your daddy demillia ::)
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You tried to be nice???? Please, you and rest of your PDI hatin group can go pound sand.
You can dish it, but you can't take it.
Oh, and don't be so arrogant that you should give me advice on how to run my business, I got here on my merits, not your advice....save it for someone who cares..
Look back on my replies to the PM's you sent me. Where was I not nice?
As for not being able to take it, look at your response to a simple question about the British show. A tirade of abuse followed by childish comparisons - "I've got a better job than you" :I handle a billion dollar account"
Now I'll tell you the truth as to why I won't photograph you. I do not have the ability to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Plain and simple, no intervention from Jim Manion required.
Your turn
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you got here by a faxing a letter to your daddy demillia ::)
Read what I'm talking about before you comment, loser. We were discussing my Financial career, sorry, but wayne is not my boss...Idiot.
The more you talk, the better you make me look....keep talking
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Look back on my replies to the PM's you sent me. Where was I not nice?
As for not being able to take it, look at your response to a simple question about the British show. A tirade of abuse followed by childish comparisons - "I've got a better job than you" :I handle a billion dollar account"
Now I'll tell you the truth as to why I won't photograph you. I do not have the ability to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Plain and simple, no intervention from Jim Manion required.
Your turn
Nah, I'm done. Have a good day. BY the way you were nice to me, but bottom line, you work for flex, flex is owned by AMI, stop painting a false picture, I could be the best in the world, you could not photograph me, even if you wanted to, thats why I am being this way, because you won't admit the truth. It's funny, other photographers, not invlove in AMI, are lining up, but you don't WANT TO photograph me!! OHHHHH, NOOOO.
You act like your opinion matters, when you have no say in the manner. Admit it, and I will let up.
I tell it like it is, not you. Without me, and PDI, you would have nothing to talk about, boring.
I'm bored
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One other thing, I talk down to you, because you and your chronies talk down to everyone else,
you don't have the intellectual capacity to even comprehend the depth of what I do from a mathmatical standpoint.
Look back on every one of my posts and you'll see that the only times I resort to insults is when someone insults me. Turning the other cheek is not one of my strong points.
Be nice to me, I'll be nice back even if your opinion is the opposite. Plain and simple. Just like you.
As for maths, not my strong point I agree. Like arms are not yours.
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Look back on every one of my posts and you'll see that the only times I resort to insults is when someone insults me. Turning the other cheek is not one of my strong points.
Be nice to me, I'll be nice back even if your opinion is the opposite. Plain and simple. Just like you.
As for maths, not my strong point I agree. Like arms are not yours.
Okay, touche. Actually, My insults were jokes I take them back, actually you are a great photographer, but you know that.
Good comeback. about the arms, I mean... good one.
Truce.
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Nah, I'm done. Have a good day. BY the way you were nice to me, but bottom line, you work for flex, flex is owned by AMI, stop painting a false picture, I could be the best in the world, you could not photograph me, even if you wanted to, thats why I am being this way, because you won't admit the truth. It's funny, other photographers, not invlove in AMI, are lining up, but you don't WANT TO photograph me!! OHHHHH, NOOOO.
You act like your opinion matters, when you have no say in the manner. Admit it, and I will let up.
I tell it like it is, not you. Without me, and PDI, you would have nothing to talk about, boring.
I'm bored
Yes I contribute to FLEX, yes it's owned by AMI. If you were the best in the world you'd be Mr Olympia and I'm sure they'd commision me to photograph you. But the fact is, you're not the best in the world and to date nobody has asked me to photograph you. Is that a clear enough painting for you?
I told you in a PM that when you get to London, I'd be happy to photograph you. But now you want to start a war of insults!
Photographers lining up! The line can't be that long because there aren't that many of us working in this business.
As for my opinion it matters just as much as yours. Difference is, I respect yours even though it's different to mine while you choose insults rather than debate.
Don't flatter yourself, your 15 minutes of fame ends when you're the first person getting dressed at the NOC.
Bored? That requires an intellect.
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Okay, touche. Actually, My insults were jokes I take them back, actually you are a great photographer, but you know that.
Good comeback. about the arms, I mean... good one.
Truce.
Drinks are on me in London ;D
I also take back all my remarks.
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Read what I'm talking about before you comment, loser. We were discussing my Financial career, sorry, but wayne is not my boss...Idiot.
The more you talk, the better you make me look....keep talking
we can talk all day about you but you will never look better then a trash can...you know this...we know this...
photographers lining up...hahahah...that george guy the schmoe...your assistant who snaps a shot of you in your cubicle and sends it into musclemag...i think the other janitor you work with has a disposable camera with a couple shots left maybe he's lining up too
you will never be more then a heart attack waiting to happen who goes by the ugliest damn animal on the planet...at least one thing is fitting...your name to your physique
you meltdown faster then an ice sculpture in the desert...stop your crying and get us some coffee
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Drinks are on me in London ;D
I also take back all my remarks.
You got it bro, thanks.
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we can talk all day about you but you will never look better then a trash can...you know this...we know this...
photographers lining up...hahahah...that george guy the schmoe...your assistant who snaps a shot of you in your cubicle and sends it into musclemag...i think the other janitor you work with has a disposable camera with a couple shots left maybe he's lining up too
you will never be more then a heart attack waiting to happen who goes by the ugliest damn animal on the planet...at least one thing is fitting...your name to your physique
you meltdown faster then an ice sculpture in the desert...stop your crying and get us some coffee
yet he was in a muscle magazine this month and you were not. ow, huh?
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Drinks are on me in London ;D
I also take back all my remarks.
weaker then london's legs...you know he blows like the wind...
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yet he was in a muscle magazine this month and you were not. ow, huh?
woo big whoop...east coast muscle...???the guy can put whatever he wants in this column...proof that you can look like balls and if you lick enough of them any one can get in the mags...but who reads musclemag anyways...get in a real magazine like flex, md or muscle and fitness then come talk to us
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we can talk all day about you but you will never look better then a trash can...you know this...we know this...
photographers lining up...hahahah...that george guy the schmoe...your assistant who snaps a shot of you in your cubicle and sends it into musclemag...i think the other janitor you work with has a disposable camera with a couple shots left maybe he's lining up too
you will never be more then a heart attack waiting to happen who goes by the ugliest damn animal on the planet...at least one thing is fitting...your name to your physique
you meltdown faster then an ice sculpture in the desert...stop your crying and get us some coffee
And Kevin, you wonder why I get pissed with idiots like this stalking me......
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And Kevin, you wonder why I get pissed with idiots like this stalking me......
I get the same from my wife every day ;D
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Wow major thread hijack, BAD Boys! I should swat you on the end of the noses with a rolled up mewspaper.
I am an optimist maybe someday I will get a staight answer...
Lee, it's a simple question. Will you hold the PDI to the same standard you held the IFBB? Will you compete if you are required to do anything other than compete?
Still waiting for Lee on this one.....
So 240...
What you believe is this then.
"Whatever PDI does with its contracted athletes is okay by me because I am lining my pockets."
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So 240...
What you believe is this then.
"Whatever PDI does with its contracted athletes is okay by me because I am lining my pockets."
Is that an actual quote?
YIP
Zack
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Nope. But out of professional courtesy for my employers, the athletes whose sites I build, I will not comment. I'm happy to argue the importance of contracts and the difference that competition makes in an open market, but I can't comment on anything I'm remotely involved with.
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Is that an actual quote?
YIP
Zack
No it is not. And since there are guys like Horton, calling up promoters and posting partial info on boards, the last thing I'm doing is commenting on it.
He can choose to cross any lines he wants in discussing business matters in public, but I won't.
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No it is not. And since there are guys like Horton, calling up promoters and posting partial info on boards, the last thing I'm doing is commenting on it.
He can choose to cross any lines he wants in discussing business matters in public, but I won't.
To be fair... wasn't Horton posting that.
Unless OSin and Horton is the same dude.
YIP
Zack
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Is there a amateur division in the PDI or is it straight to the pros ???
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Nope. But out of professional courtesy for my employers, the athletes whose sites I build, I will not comment. I'm happy to argue the importance of contracts and the difference that competition makes in an open market, but I can't comment on anything I'm remotely involved with.
So to paraphrase...
Because you are being paid or may make some financial gains in the future you will overlook obvious problems which can or have hurt PDI athletes.
Your going to have to buy yourself a shiny shirt now.
Is that an actual quote?
YIP
Zack
Not an actual quote, just a paraphrase on my part. Kevin Horton and I are not the same person. We stand on the opposite sides of the camera.
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Nope. But out of professional courtesy for my employers, the athletes whose sites I build, I will not comment. I'm happy to argue the importance of contracts and the difference that competition makes in an open market, but I can't comment on anything I'm remotely involved with.
that's a bigger load of shit then london's physique ::)
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So to paraphrase...
Because you are being paid or may make some financial gains in the future you will overlook obvious problems which can or have hurt PDI athletes.
Your going to have to buy yourself a shiny shirt now.
No. Because I am currently developing websites for some of the athletes affected by the PDI, it would be irresponsible of me to speak on it.
Shiny shirt would be me blindly trumpeting a company line statement right now. You'll notice I am not. i'm abstaining from this part of the discussion. Read it how you will.
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No. Because I am currently developing websites for some of the athletes affected by the PDI, it would be irresponsible of me to speak on it.
Shiny shirt would be me blindly trumpeting a company line statement right now. You'll notice I am not. i'm abstaining from this part of the discussion. Read it how you will.
Will you be according the IFBB and it's promoters the same approach?
Why did you decide to abstain from the part where it was revealed that the British promoter listed on the poster said he had nothing to do with it and did not give his permission for his name to be used? Prior to that you had a lot to say on the matter.
At least we not know that you're the tool you accuse everyone else of being.
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Careful Kev,
When you back a rat into a corner it comes out fighting and this one owns a gun.
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woo big whoop...east coast muscle...???the guy can put whatever he wants in this column...proof that you can look like balls and if you lick enough of them any one can get in the mags...but who reads musclemag anyways...get in a real magazine like flex, md or muscle and fitness then come talk to us
Lets see a pic of you tough guy.
You all make me laugh, ALL of you.
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Lets see a pic of you tough guy.
You all make me laugh, ALL of you.
We aim to please.
Next show is in 30 minutes, 2 drink minimum.
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No. Because I am currently developing websites for some of the athletes affected by the PDI, it would be irresponsible of me to speak on it.
Shiny shirt would be me blindly trumpeting a company line statement right now. You'll notice I am not. i'm abstaining from this part of the discussion. Read it how you will.
you work with ifbb pro jimmy mentis but comment on the ifbb all the time
jack me showing a pic would only cause you to feel more insecure about yourself
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you work with ifbb pro jimmy mentis but comment on the ifbb all the time
jack me showing a pic would only cause you to feel more insecure about yourself
Yeah okay.
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Careful Kev,
When you back a rat into a corner it comes out fighting and this one owns a gun.
He wouldn't have to pull the trigger, I'd die laughing at the sight of him standing there butt naked except for a flak jacket hitting his tough guy pose.
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He wouldn't have to pull the trigger, I'd die laughing at the sight of him standing there butt naked except for a flak jacket hitting his tough guy pose.
Sad, but I think I carry about 10% less bodyfat than ya Kev. Maybe more.
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just talked to Wayne. This is a draft of the poster. He told the guy who is putting together who lives in England NOT to post it up. But the guy did. It was a first draft. So the pics on there are not the ones being used it was for layout purposes only. There is an Italian champion and French Champion he is waiting for pics from for the poster. SO now you guys can settle back down.
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Sad, but I think I carry about 10% less bodyfat than ya Kev. Maybe more.
You probably do, but I carry about 15% more muscle tissue than you.
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just talked to Wayne. This is a draft of the poster. He told the guy who is putting together who lives in England NOT to post it up. But the guy did. It was a first draft. So the pics on there are not the ones being used it was for layout purposes only. There is an Italian champion and French Champion he is waiting for pics from for the poster. SO now you guys can settle back down.
That would explain why the theatre hasn't been booked and the promoter listed on it is not actuallly involved.
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Does PDI have a web-site ?
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Does PDI have a web-site ?
NO. And I asked him everytime we talk. He really doesn't like the internet. I can tell. He could care less about it so he is in no hurry. I don't understand it but it is his deal. I do know that he is really pushing the promotion of the NOC and PDI. Especially locally in New York. That is defintiely something that not to many shows do and that is local promotion or advertising. He has full page ads in some local New York mags. He has IFBB promoters actually hanging posters out for him. There are numerous gym in New York that have his poster everywhere in the gym and he has now 20 gyms helping to sell tickets. He is doing allot of local promotion. So regradless of what we see on here heis doing allot to promote the show and the PDI. I gotta give him credit for that big time. It will not be filmed either I don't think. He told me the cost todo that and when he told me it sounded very expensive. Unions control that area and they will want to get paid. SO doubt it.
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NO. And I asked him everytime we talk. He really doesn't like the internet. I can tell. He could care less about it so he is in no hurry. I don't understand it but it is his deal.
Didn't you say before that he has a top prfoessional web designer working on it?
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Kev? Are you trying to stir the pot again bud? LOL!!! ;)
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Kev? Are you trying to stir the pot again bud? LOL!!! ;)
Pot's pretty big. He's only been using his finger so far. ;D
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I have to say, I love reading Kevin's post.
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Kev? Are you trying to stir the pot again bud? LOL!!! ;)
No, just pointing out that the information Keith posts about the PDI has about as factual as Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf's were about the Iraq war.
I doubt that he's making the stories up but I do think he's a very trusting guy who accepts whatever he's told because he doesn't expect people to lie. Like the story about the lighting being left at the Mandallay Bay. A call to the venue would have revealled that it was a lie.
As for 240, he's shown in this thread that he now hides behind "selective professionalism" to question only the IFBB and it's promoters.
I'm hoping that at the NOC they take full advantage of fact that Harrison Pope is going to be there - if true.
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I know Kev, I was just pulling your leg my friend. When are you coming back this way?
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I know Kev, I was just pulling your leg my friend. When are you coming back this way?
I know ;D
I'll be over for the Olympia
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hmmm ? "he doesn't really like the internet"
perhaps he thinks it is just a fad - like the CB Radio
or maybe her got burned by investing in Betamax tapes
did he break down and buy a CD Player yet
VHS or DVD ?
so I guess this means they'll be no webcast
any notion why he does not like the INTERNET
one more expense he doesn't want to deal with
the www is a bit too democratic, perhaps
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No, just pointing out that the information Keith posts about the PDI has about as factual as Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf's were about the Iraq war.
I doubt that he's making the stories up but I do think he's a very trusting guy who accepts whatever he's told because he doesn't expect people to lie. Like the story about the lighting being left at the Mandallay Bay. A call to the venue would have revealled that it was a lie.
As for 240, he's shown in this thread that he now hides behind "selective professionalism" to question only the IFBB and it's promoters.
I'm hoping that at the NOC they take full advantage of fact that Harrison Pope is going to be there - if true.
God Kev, your phone bill must be be outrageous with all the calls you make to check on PDI's doings. DOn't forget how your phone calls exposed how the NOC wasn't happening either cause you culdn't find any information. And you know you never called the Manadalay Bay or you would havefound infact the staging and lighting was there for AMI to use. But nice try anyway. Try calling the right people next time. The housekeeping people would have no idea what you weree talking about. And yes I was told by Wayne he had hired a top notch web designer. But he also told me he is having some creative disagreements and that the site is basically stagnant right now. Having a website does not dictate if you are real or the show is real. I mean you are a successful photographer. What is your website address. And not the one you sold. Even though I would like to have that address if you know what I mean.
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God Kev, your phone bill must be be outrageous with all the calls you make to check on PDI's doings. DOn't forget how your phone calls exposed how the NOC wasn't happening either cause you culdn't find any information. And you know you never called the Manadalay Bay or you would havefound infact the staging and lighting was there for AMI to use. But nice try anyway. Try calling the right people next time. The housekeeping people would have no idea what you weree talking about. And yes I was told by Wayne he had hired a top notch web designer. But he also told me he is having some creative disagreements and that the site is basically stagnant right now. Having a website does not dictate if you are real or the show is real. I mean you are a successful photographer. What is your website address. And not the one you sold. Even though I would like to have that address if you know what I mean.
Call up the Mandalay Bat yourself and ask them where the lighting was stored. They'll tell you the same thing they told me.
I'm not the one questioning the need for a website, but as you say, they were having one, now it seems they're not.
You're more than welcome to the address, ask Wayne ;D
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Call up the Mandalay Bat yourself and ask them where the lighting was stored. They'll tell you the same thing they told me.
I'm not the one questioning the need for a website, but as you say, they were having one, now it seems they're not.
You're more than welcome to the address, ask Wayne ;D
You seriously need to get a life.
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You seriously need to get a life.
Nah, I'd end up like you.
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just talked to Wayne. This is a draft of the poster. He told the guy who is putting together who lives in England NOT to post it up. But the guy did. It was a first draft. So the pics on there are not the ones being used it was for layout purposes only.
Second Draft...
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Gross!!
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Don't laugh, Max.....
That guy took a close 2nd at the NABBA N. American's...!
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Don't laugh, Max.....
That guy took a close 2nd at the NABBA N. American's...!
You're like school on Saturday, Bob.
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...and that joke is old as rope, 240.
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...and that joke is old as rope, 240.
A rope went into a bar and ordered a drink. The bartender said, 'We don’t serve your kind here.'
So, the rope went into the rest room, shook himself around and tied himself into a knot.
After that, the rope went back into the bar and again ordered a drink. The bartender said, 'Aren’t you the same rope that I refused to serve before?'
The rope answered, 'No, I’m afraid not.
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And yes I was told by Wayne he had hired a top notch web designer. But he also told me he is having some creative disagreements and that the site is basically stagnant right now. Having a website does not dictate if you are real or the show is real.
Holy balls Keith you got more excuses then Vince Goodrum on this one. Next you'll be on here trying to convince us Wayne's dog at the web site.
Cut the bullshit and stop trying to play getbiggers for morons. Your excuses are getting a little old.
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Holy balls Keith you got more excuses then Vince Goodrum on this one. Next you'll be on here trying to convince us Wayne's dog at the web site.
Cut the bullshit and stop trying to play getbiggers for morons. Your excuses are getting a little old.
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Nice to see Ol' Bob remaining "Impartial" ::)
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So is that a draft of the poster or the final release?
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;D ;D
Now I am going to get yelled at again...DAMN!
Don't flatter yourself, your opinion has no affect on me, even less than chick's.