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I just listened to the delayed broadcast and Lee's comments and concerns were pretty air tight from my persepective.
He is right on regarding enforcing rules but not enforcing other rules i.e taking drugs will be fined etc.
I would like to congratulate you Lee, i like how your taking a morale stance and sticking to it, even though you may have to face consequences. Your the man Lee, just thought i'd give you some props and encourage you to keep going strong.
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Its like you own a time machine.......and you went to the past......and now you bring us news of something that happened weeks ago......
Thanks for sharing.......... ;)
But seriously, Yes, Lee did own both Bob C. And Shawn.
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The reason lee owned bob and shawn is because his princibles on the matter have never changed , lee was talking about the rules and the crap the guys have to put up with 10 years ago , and he has never changed his pionts of veiws , not like shawn and bob have , he has stayed true to his convictions and suffered the consiquences for this , but because of this his debating platform is rock solid , he doesnt has to change his story or try and remeber what has he has said in the past as it all pertains to the same stance that he has held all along , I think it is called "sticking to your guns"
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...and where have I changed my views?
Lee owned nothing...except a lack of knowledge of what the rules are. He keeps pointing out that there are rules that are broken all the time, and nothing is done...yet, he isn't smart enough to realize that the code of conduct are NOT the rules, but guidelines that are set up and requested to be followed.
Lee has been given the same disciplinary action for breaking the C.O.C. rules as everyone else that has...nothing.
Anyone who has ever gone and competed in a rival federation, HAS been suspended immediately, without question, and without exception...Lee wanted fair treatment for breaking the rules, he'll get it.
As for "sticking to his guns"...I guess we'll see if that holds true, if and when he ever decides to answer the question that was asked regarding pulling out of the PDI shows based on the same contractual obligations he pulled out of the Olympia.
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The only thing Lee Priest owns is a few pairs of shoe lifts...
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The thing is he is consistant in his piont of veiws and stance --- and it is that consisitancy that enables him to hold firm in any challenge that one makes over his veiws ---- shit I dont agree with every thing lee does and says , and I sure as hell let him know that , but he stands firm on his confictions , I have over the years managed to change his piont of veiw on a few things --- but never on this one , and for that I give him respect ---- also you gatta admit his pionts on the Rules and the way the athletes are treated do hold quite a bit of water , thus he has valid ligitimet pionts , thus making it hard for one to pick holes in his said arguments --- hence you and shawn were owned ---- but not in a bad way , just out debated thats all !!!
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The reason lee owned bob and shawn is because his princibles on the matter have never changed , lee was talking about the rules and the crap the guys have to put up with 10 years ago , and he has never changed his pionts of veiws , not like shawn and bob have , he has stayed true to his convictions and suffered the consiquences for this , but because of this his debating platform is rock solid , he doesnt has to change his story or try and remeber what has he has said in the past as it all pertains to the same stance that he has held all along , I think it is called "sticking to your guns"
Lee answer this question and show us where your principles are today
Lee, it's a simple question. Will you hold the PDI to the same standard you held the IFBB? Will you compete if you are required to do anything other than compete?
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The thing is he is consistant in his piont of veiws and stance --- and it is that consisitancy that enables him to hold firm in any challenge that one makes over his veiws ---- shit I dont agree with every thing lee does and says , and I sure as hell let him know that , but he stands firm on his confictions , I have over the years managed to change his piont of veiw on a few things --- but never on this one , and for that I give him respect ---- also you gatta admit his pionts on the Rules and the way the athletes are treated do hold quite a bit of water , thus he has valid ligitimet pionts , thus making it hard for one to pick holes in his said arguments --- hence you and shawn were owned ---- but not in a bad way , just out debated thats all !!!
Perhaaps you didn't read what I wrote, marc...it would be impossible for him to win a debate when he doesn't even know what the difference between the rules and the C.O.C are....
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The thing is he is consistant in his piont of veiws and stance --- and it is that consisitancy that enables him to hold firm in any challenge that one makes over his veiws ---- shit I dont agree with every thing lee does and says , and I sure as hell let him know that , but he stands firm on his confictions , I have over the years managed to change his piont of veiw on a few things --- but never on this one , and for that I give him respect ---- also you gatta admit his pionts on the Rules and the way the athletes are treated do hold quite a bit of water , thus he has valid ligitimet pionts , thus making it hard for one to pick holes in his said arguments --- hence you and shawn were owned ---- but not in a bad way , just out debated thats all !!!
you call what Lee had to say, out debating Chick....Shit man call up Titus today and tell him that he doesn't need a lawyer...All he has to say to the judge is "your honor, OJ simpson did it and got off so i should get off too"..case closed...
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Chic you are obviously a true champion , as true champions never like to loose --- but in the radio interview I saw that lee came out on top ( cant speak for any one Else)plus it didn't help with you and Shawn trying to gang up on him , but thats just my interpretation and like bodybuilding judging who,s to say who is right and who is wrong , the point is you wont change his point of views on the whole issue , he never has , he might change his actions but his views will never change on this --- it pisses him off to much for him to say , Oh f@#k it your right I was wrong !!!
Surely you must have 1 issue that really really pisses you of in the sport that no matter how things are presented to you, you will just never change your stance on it as you know in princable you are dead right !!!
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Lee is entitled to his opinion, and his stance. If he feels as though athletes should be able to compete whereever they want, without repercussion...all the power to him.
Where his argument fails, is citing that there are rules that are currently being broken, and those athletes aren't suspended, etc....he's dead wrong, and there is no debate on the subject...IF you know how to read and interperate the rules as they are stated.
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Anyone who has ever gone and competed in a rival federation, HAS been suspended immediately, without question, and without exception...
Except for Arnold:
1968: NABBA Pro Universe
1969: IFBB Mr International, IFBB Universe, NABBA Pro Universe, IFBB Olympia
1970: AAU Mr World, NABBA Pro Universe, IFBB Olympia
Oh, and Sergio:
1969: IFBB Olympia
1970: AAU Mr World, IFBB Olympia
1971: NABBA Pro Universe
1972: IFBB Olympia, WBBG Galaxy
1973: IFBB Mr International - which he was disqualified from after it was over
then there was Ken Waller, but that depends on whether the Mr International was pro or amateur during those years
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Lee is entitled to his opinion, and his stance. If he feels as though athletes should be able to compete whereever they want, without repercussion...all the power to him.
Where his argument fails, is citing that there are rules that are currently being broken, and those athletes aren't suspended, etc....he's dead wrong, and there is no debate on the subject...IF you know how to read and interperate the rules as they are stated.
Post a link to the actual rules, you've got me interested enough to poke holes in your argument (if there any) :)
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Except for Arnold:
1968: NABBA Pro Universe
1969: IFBB Mr International, IFBB Universe, NABBA Pro Universe, IFBB Olympia
1970: AAU Mr World, NABBA Pro Universe, IFBB Olympia
I believe the rules were changed sometime after that era...
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Here is a good piont in case re the IFBB and the rules , Amature based , In NZ the NZfbb follow the Drug Testing rules to the letter --- hence they have had the past 4 mr NZ overalls fail drug tests and have been suspended for 2 years each accordingly, plus there names publicly published nation wide , but across the ditch the Australian IFBB does no testing what so ever , where is the consistancy in the ruleing ???
Most top NZ bodybuilders take flight to live in Aussie and to compete over there for this very reason !!!
Consistancy in the rules would see this totaly unaccepatable in any sporting body except ours !!!
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Here is a good piont in case re the IFBB and the rules , Amature based , In NZ the NZfbb follow the Drug Testing rules to the letter --- hence they have had the past 4 mr NZ overalls fail drug tests and have been suspended for years 2 years each accordingly, plus there names publicly published nation wide , but across the ditch the Australian IFBB does no testing what so ever , where is the consistancy in the ruleing ???
Most top NZ bodybuilders take flight to live in Aussie and to compete over there for this very reason !!!
Consistancy in the rules would see this totaly unaccepatable in any sporting body except ours !!!
for example, NHL hockey judges each infraction on its own merits. Why else would some guys get 40 games and others nothing for a similiar offense. So why can't the IFBB do the same?
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Thats because we have promoters that put on shows...unlike other "sports". It's up to the promoters whether or not to strictly enforce drug testing, as they have to pay for it...
I've said for years now...I'd like to see the IFBB put on their own shows just like the NFL puts on NFL games...MLB puts on MLB games, etc, etc....
Maybe then we would see more consistancy.
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I believe the rules were changed sometime after that era...
I do recall you saying "ever" gone and competed in a rival federation :-\!!
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Thats because we have promoters that put on shows...unlike other "sports". It's up to the promoters whether or not to strictly enforce drug testing, as they have to pay for it...
i dont know about in the states but in our sports in NewZealand we do have promoters who put on various sporting competetions under franchise of a sporting federation and that sporting federation does enforce the same rules i.e drung taking so bodybuilding aint that different in organisational structure to how bodybuilding shows are put on.
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I just listened to the delayed broadcast and Lee's comments and concerns were pretty air tight from my persepective.
He is right on regarding enforcing rules but not enforcing other rules i.e taking drugs will be fined etc.
I would like to congratulate you Lee, i like how your taking a morale stance and sticking to it, even though you may have to face consequences. Your the man Lee, just thought i'd give you some props and encourage you to keep going strong.
Thank you glad you liked it.
Lee
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Perhaaps you didn't read what I wrote, marc...it would be impossible for him to win a debate when he doesn't even know what the difference between the rules and the C.O.C are....
Hi i am a puppet what shall i say next.Oh tell me Jim they are picking on me quick give me something to comeback with :)
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...and where have I changed my views?
Lee owned nothing...except a lack of knowledge of what the rules are. He keeps pointing out that there are rules that are broken all the time, and nothing is done...yet, he isn't smart enough to realize that the code of conduct are NOT the rules, but guidelines that are set up and requested to be followed.
Lee has been given the same disciplinary action for breaking the C.O.C. rules as everyone else that has...nothing.
Anyone who has ever gone and competed in a rival federation, HAS been suspended immediately, without question, and without exception...Lee wanted fair treatment for breaking the rules, he'll get it.
As for "sticking to his guns"...I guess we'll see if that holds true, if and when he ever decides to answer the question that was asked regarding pulling out of the PDI shows based on the same contractual obligations he pulled out of the Olympia.
There was nothing in the NOC contract like that just to compete,hotel,food money,etc .If the seminar is after the pre judging before meeting the fans i dont have a problem.I staed it was all the crap we had to do leading up to the Olympia for the hundreth time BOB.If they had a seminar after the Olympia pre judging i would have no problem with that.
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Hi i am a puppet what shall i say next.Oh tell me Jim they are picking on me quick give me something to comeback with :)
lol...bob is such a tool
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Perhaaps you didn't read what I wrote, marc...it would be impossible for him to win a debate when he doesn't even know what the difference between the rules and the C.O.C are....
C.O.C YEAH WHATEVER NONE ARE FOLLOWED LIKE I SAID WHERE WAS STEVE'S PUNISHMENT OR OTHER JUDGES WHO HAVE SLEPT WITH COMPETITIORS(THE WOMEN JUDGES) WE KNOW IT HAS HAPPENED CHIC.All in the sport know who they are :)
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There was nothing in the NOC contract like that just to compete,hotel,food money,etc .If the seminar is after the pre judging before meeting the fans i dont have a problem.I staed it was all the crap we had to do leading up to the Olympia for the hundreth time BOB.If they had a seminar after the Olympia pre judging i would have no problem with that.
*ALL* the things, Lee?
You mean like selling YOUR merchandise at the "meet the Olympians", and participating at the press conference? What else is there?
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I just listened to the delayed broadcast and Lee's comments and concerns were pretty air tight from my persepective.
He is right on regarding enforcing rules but not enforcing other rules i.e taking drugs will be fined etc.
I would like to congratulate you Lee, i like how your taking a morale stance and sticking to it, even though you may have to face consequences. Your the man Lee, just thought i'd give you some props and encourage you to keep going strong.
exactly.
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*ALL* the things, Lee?
You mean like selling YOUR merchandise at the "meet the Olympians", and participating at the press conference? What else is there?
Press conference is ok.never had a problem with that.Now doing 3 dvds and it says in the contract if you do not do the dvds you can not compete in the Olympia,Them owning your image and using it for what ever they like.If it's used just for the O ok but it dosent say that.Meet the Olympians is ok cause i like meeting the fans.But then you read how so and so wasn't freindly ...that's because he is tired or low on carbs etc.Sometimes the fans don't understand what it takes to get ready for a show like that and doing all these things before just wears down on you.Why not meet the Olympians after pre judging .Why have cocktail party before on friday night yeah that was always fun.But now we have pre judging fri night and finals Sat didnt they learn that didnt work back in 97.
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Lee, which pros have fucked some of the female judges? Were they hot? Which pro has fucked the most fitness models (other than you obviously. ;D)
Not going to name names(Yet) :) but they know who they are.and so do we.But to each thier own i guess lets just throw away the rule book.
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Press conference is ok.never had a problem with that.Now doing 3 dvds and it says in the contract if you do not do the dvds you can not compete in the Olympia,Them owning your image and using it for what ever they like.If it's used just for the O ok but it dosent say that.Meet the Olympians is ok cause i like meeting the fans.But then you read how so and so wasn't freindly ...that's because he is tired or low on carbs etc.Sometimes the fans don't understand what it takes to get ready for a show like that and doing all these things before just wears down on you.Why not meet the Olympians after pre judging .Why have cocktail party before on friday night yeah that was always fun.But now we have pre judging fri night and finals Sat didnt they learn that didnt work back in 97.
It never made sense to me that the pros have to be at a big "meet the olympians" thing before the prejuding and the show and everything else. I'd rather meet my fav pros and see a real smile rather than a fake one. im not a pro but i do take my bodybuilding seriously, and if someone is in my way or stoping me from getting my meal or training or just lying down cuz training wore me out its very hard to be the happy person that i usually am.
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Watching Chic attempt damage control after an owning, be on the internet or radio, is like watching an animal chew it's leg off to escape a trap.
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It's more difficult thaatn you guys think, when trying to schedule these events.
Having one foot on the other side of things, I've gaained a lot of knowledge and perspective on how and why things work the way they do.
The "meet the Olympians" is on Thursday night...It is set up so that the Olympians have a place to sell their merchandise to the VIP ticket purchasers (also sweetens the pot for the VIP's).
There is no other good time to hold it, as Fri and Sat are tough...you ahve the shows themselves, and you also have the majority of athletes thatare under contract with supplement companies...that want THEIR athletes at THEIR booths for some time....
I don't particulary care for the Fri nite Prejudging as it makes the guys have to hold conditioning for a full 24 hours...and I voiced that concern to the promoter...unfortunately, the Fri nite show LOSES money with just the women on the card...SOOOO, thats why the PJ was switched.
As for the Rules that "had to be followed" as per the Olympia contract...that was all set up by the promoter of the Olympia at the time...you guessed it....Wayne DeMilia.
Those contractual obligations are being contested by yours truly...and will be presented at the Board of Gov. meeting on the Olympia weekend.
Funny thing is lee...the very rules your complaining about, were put into place by the same guy you're looking to compete for again....
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Watching Chic attempt damage control after an owning, be on the internet or radio, is like watching an animal chew it's leg off to escape a trap.
I don't have to attempt "damage control"...it's called "understanding the rules". They are what they are...I didn't write them, I don't enforce them.
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...and where have I changed my views?
Lee owned nothing...except a lack of knowledge of what the rules are. He keeps pointing out that there are rules that are broken all the time, and nothing is done...yet, he isn't smart enough to realize that the code of conduct are NOT the rules, but guidelines that are set up and requested to be followed.
Lee has been given the same disciplinary action for breaking the C.O.C. rules as everyone else that has...nothing.
Anyone who has ever gone and competed in a rival federation, HAS been suspended immediately, without question, and without exception...Lee wanted fair treatment for breaking the rules, he'll get it.
As for "sticking to his guns"...I guess we'll see if that holds true, if and when he ever decides to answer the question that was asked regarding pulling out of the PDI shows based on the same contractual obligations he pulled out of the Olympia.
So Bob are you saying that the IFBB, by not following their own "guidlines" are misguided? Also, the IFBB should be very careful regarding suspending Lee. Most of the ones who were suspended came crawling back, hat in hand, and tail between their legs. The IFBB should know Lee well enough by now and that is NOT Lee. Lee will be the one to challenge them in court and he will win. If you think he "owned" anyone in this forum, wait until the IFBB suspends him. Then I believe you'll see some real "owning" and the IFBB won't be doing the "owning"
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Perhaaps you didn't read what I wrote, marc...it would be impossible for him to win a debate when he doesn't even know what the difference between the rules and the C.O.C are....
The thing is, Lee won't have to debate a thing. That's what council is for.
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Thats great...all the power to lee.
I'm sure the IFBB's pockets are far deeper than lee's...
There is an old saying that goes: "Don't step over a dollar to pick up a quarter"
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Thats because we have promoters that put on shows...unlike other "sports". It's up to the promoters whether or not to strictly enforce drug testing, as they have to pay for it...
I've said for years now...I'd like to see the IFBB put on their own shows just like the NFL puts on NFL games...MLB puts on MLB games, etc, etc....
Maybe then we would see more consistency.
Chic this is what I would call passing the buck big time , blaming the promoters , the only reason the promoters don't test is because the IFBB does not enforce the rules PERIOD , A promoter affiliates themself to the IFBB via paying for the rights , thus they should have to abide by the rules and regulations that govern that federation , but because the IFBB turns a blind eye to their rules as they feel fit, drug testing is not conducted as in the case I previously outlined , this my friend is a grave indictment of the IFBB and its rules and constitution , NOT that of the promoters !!!
The IFBB should be strictly up holding their rules and constitution and not allowing these rules to suit some and not others as they see fit , A rule should apply to all , for if it does not why have the rule in the first place , plus rules should not be open to interpertation , they should be straight forward and plain in its objectives , by not upholding these rules that are documented for its members to up hold to the IFBB, is directly in breach of its own constitution , thus the whole thing stinks of hypocrisy , and hypocrisy is no way to run a World Wide Sporting Organisation , ever wonder why bodybuilding never made it to the Olympics , its because the Olympics saw right through the smoke screen that Ben tried so hard to put up and saw the sport and all its hypocrisy for what it was realy worth!!, and this Chic you can not deny and if you do you are denying yourself the truth of the sport and the politics that are involved with it .
What pisses me off about the whole thing is the Hypocrisy of it all , you can have past athletes whom were and still are users of steroids and where actual known steroid sellers whom now hand down sanctions to athletes caught using steroids as Representatives of the IFBB organisation and on the other hand you can have whole nations whom don't even care about these rules ??, where is the respect in that , there is none , I can live with it , but it doesn't mean I like it , I personally have more dignity than that and would rather live by the truth , but it begs the question once again , why rules if they are not for all ??
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You're missing the point of the argument, marc...
The "rules" as you are addressing them, ARE being enforced...equally.
If there was drug testing for SOME athletes and not others...then you would have a valid argumant, thats clearly not the case.
The promoters aren't exactly breaking down the door demanding to drug test the athletes as it costs THEM money...the athletes arent demanding to be drug tested for obvious reasons...the fans could care less, and only want to see the best physiques on a given day...so who is this big fight for, exactly?
The rule IS straight forward, as straight forward and black and white as it gets...you as an IFBB pro are SUBJECT to being tested...that means they RESERVE THE RIGHT...they don't have to, they don't say you will be...they do say that IF you are tested, and IF you test positive, you MAY BE suspended and/ or fined. Not just Lee, not you and Lee....ANYONE.
Not sure what else you're unclear on...
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The rule IS straight forward, as straight forward and black and white as it gets...you as an IFBB pro are SUBJECT to being tested...that means they RESERVE THE RIGHT...they don't have to, they don't say you will be...they do say that IF you are tested, and IF you test positive, you MAY BE suspended and/ or fined. Not just Lee, not you and Lee....ANYONE
Then this can not be deemed as a rule , it has no viable ruling that could be up held , at best it could only be called a suggestion !!
What about the Amateur rules on drug testing they are all quite straight forward and since pros are derived from amateur competition would you not say that the lapse of the IFBB to up hold these rules at this level is in actual fact a breach of their own constitution , breaches which are totally transparent and all to see !!???
I personally am against drug testing at any level of our sport , I have to be as I have used drugs to aid my success in the sport , and for me to supprot such a ruling would make me a hypocrite , but if the rules are there should they be up held by all , yes of course they should , it is the only way to have rules !!
Chic no matter how you try to validate your stance on the matter , the truth remains , the IFBB do not uphold their rules and in doing so breach there own constitution , starting at the very base entry level of the sport !!! so by the time one reaches the top level of our sport how much respect do you think one would have for the rules and the running of the federation if all through out this journey constent lapses in the rules and the constitution are witnessed by a athlete !
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Lee cries about everything. I swear he must be on clomid everday all year. ::)
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Then this can not be deemed as a rule , it has no viable ruling that could be up held , at best it could only be called a suggestion !!
What about the Amateur rules on drug testing they are all quite straight forward and since pros are derived from amateur competition would you not say that the lapse of the IFBB to up hold these rules at this level is in actual fact a breach of their own constitution , breaches which are totally transparent and all to see !!???
I personally am against drug testing at any level of our sport , I have to be as I have used drugs to aid my success in the sport , and for me to supprot such a ruling would make me a hypocrite , but if the rules are there should they be up held by all , yes of course they should , it is the only way to have rules !!
Chic no matter how you try to validate your stance on the matter , the truth remains , the IFBB do not uphold their rules and in doing so breach there own constitution , starting at the very base entry level of the sport !!! so by the time one reaches the top level of our sport how much respect do you think one would have for the rules and the running of the federation if all through out this journey constent lapses in the rules and the constitution are witnessed by a athlete !
MARC....bro...I'm at a loss here, to explain this any easier.
The rule is:
IF they decide to drug test you, and you fail...you will be subject to disciplinary action. PERIOD.
The rule is there for THEM to use at their discression...they RESERVE THE RIGHT.
There are hundreds of "rules" in life that are not enforced, but exist none the less....as I've used the example before..Jaywalking is against the law, and punishable by being fined...but they never ticket anyone for it...WHY HAVE IT THEN?
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Chic is this not a hypocrisy of the rules , In NZ at least the NZFBB use Pro Athletes to guest pose and effectively promote there shows to draw a crowd but at the same show/shows at least 4 athletes get busted for drug use and are sanctioned for doing so and at least one of those athletes have their right to apply for pro status taking away from them because of such hypocrisy ??
Is that not a injustice of the rules as they stand ?
I am in no way saying there is any fault on your part chic, that would be rediculious ,what I am trying to piont out is that lee has very valid pionts in his stance about the IFBB and how it upholds its rules , this is obvious and transparent at the very ground level of our sport and its governing body , wouldnt you say ??
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There are hundreds of "rules" in life that are not enforced, but exist none the less....as I've used the example before..Jaywalking is against the law, and punishable by being fined...but they never ticket anyone for it...WHY HAVE IT THEN
Ahhh I beg to differ, in LA I got busted for Jay walking (lee can ates to this) and i actually got a gun pulled on me by the officer because i was ignoring his requests to stop over the incident !!
the jay walking rule is obviously adhered to as they see fit , just like the IFBB adhere to there rules as they see fit, which is no way to govern rules obviously because this way just leaves people to break the rules at their discretion , just like i did !! thus making the rule worthless !!
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Lee has no valid point...he doesn't understand that there is a difference between the RULES and the CODE OF CONDUCT.
There is no hypocrisy to the example you made...guestposing and competing are two different things...as a competitor, you are bound to pass a test (NZ rules), as a guest poser, you're not.
BTW, your jaywalking story (while funny)...only enforces what I've been saying. The officer CHOSE to act on the law, even though it is rarely enforced...that was HIS DISCRETION. I'm sure a hundred other people did exactly as you did without a problem.
As I explained, they're not singling out 1 or 2 people to drug test...they're not drug testing anyone...so it's fair to all.
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There is no hypocrisy to the example you made...guestposing and competing are two different things...as a competitor, you are bound to pass a test (NZ rules), as a guest poser, you're not.
Chic I am afraid if you can see no hypocrisy in my example then you are blinded by the people who govern your existence , shit even Ray Charles was not as blind , it reaps of hypocrisy !!!
What it says to the athletes and the public is "This is the cream , the pinnacle of our sport , the thing we all strive to succeed in achieving (pro level) but if you take drugs to achieve this level as the guest poser/ marketing tool we have used does we will then catch you and ban you and publicly ridicule you for doing so !! if that is not hypocrisy then please explain what it is as I can find no other word to describe it !!
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Chic I am afraid if you can see no hypocrisy in my example then you are blinded by the people who govern your existence , shit even Ray Charles was not as blind , it reaps of hypocrisy !!!
What it says to the athletes and the public is "This is the cream , the pinnacle of our sport , the thing we all strive to succeed in achieving (pro level) but if you take drugs to achieve this level as the guest poser/ marketing tool we have used does we will then catch you and ban you and publicly ridicule you for doing so !! if that is not hypocrisy then please explain what it is as I can find no other word to describe it !!
It's got nothing to do with Hypocrisy, marc...it's called covering their ass.
Hypocrisy would be them telling you to take drugs, and THEN drug testing you to make sure you are all natural athletes.
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Hypocrisy would be them telling you to take drugs, and THEN drug testing you to make sure you are all natural athletes.
This is exactly what they are doing by judging the way they judge and by "not drug testing the pinnacle of the sport" and then introducing drug testing at armature level , just look at the Womens delema , for years they judged the bigger , leaner girls as there preferred champions then all of a sudden after years of this drug enhanced look taking out the winnings, they change the judging criteria to try and discourage from such a look , of course they are telling you to take drugs , they judge exactly like that , then they test you and punish you for doing so !!hell half the judges on all these panels in all probability ( broad observation based on experiance ) have used drugs to enhance their own physiques, thats hypocrisy right there at amateur level!
Like I said before I am against the hypocrisy thats all , I accept this and I am in complete control of my own choices and take full responsibility for them , but you still have not convinced me in any way shape or form that the IFBB is not riddled with hypocrisy and that there rules and regulations are not worth "jack" due to fact of this hypocrisy and the way the rules are over looked as they deem fit , and thats my point , and lee,s
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C.O.C YEAH WHATEVER NONE ARE FOLLOWED LIKE I SAID WHERE WAS STEVE'S PUNISHMENT OR OTHER JUDGES WHO HAVE SLEPT WITH COMPETITIORS(THE WOMEN JUDGES) WE KNOW IT HAS HAPPENED CHIC.All in the sport know who they are :)
OOHHHHHH LOL IN YOUR FUCKING FACE BITCH>
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Press conference is ok.never had a problem with that.Now doing 3 dvds and it says in the contract if you do not do the dvds you can not compete in the Olympia,Them owning your image and using it for what ever they like.If it's used just for the O ok but it dosent say that.Meet the Olympians is ok cause i like meeting the fans.But then you read how so and so wasn't freindly ...that's because he is tired or low on carbs etc.Sometimes the fans don't understand what it takes to get ready for a show like that and doing all these things before just wears down on you.Why not meet the Olympians after pre judging .Why have cocktail party before on friday night yeah that was always fun.But now we have pre judging fri night and finals Sat didnt they learn that didnt work back in 97.
What the fuck is that about? So in the end you cant compete if you don't do this and this this and this and this and ooohhh one more thing......*unzip pants*
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Thats great...all the power to lee.
I'm sure the IFBB's pockets are far deeper than lee's...
There is an old saying that goes: "Don't step over a dollar to pick up a quarter"
Unless you're short a quarter for a phone call.
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It's more difficult thaatn you guys think, when trying to schedule these events.
Having one foot on the other side of things, I've gaained a lot of knowledge and perspective on how and why things work the way they do.
The "meet the Olympians" is on Thursday night...It is set up so that the Olympians have a place to sell their merchandise to the VIP ticket purchasers (also sweetens the pot for the VIP's).
There is no other good time to hold it, as Fri and Sat are tough...you ahve the shows themselves, and you also have the majority of athletes thatare under contract with supplement companies...that want THEIR athletes at THEIR booths for some time....
I don't particulary care for the Fri nite Prejudging as it makes the guys have to hold conditioning for a full 24 hours...and I voiced that concern to the promoter...unfortunately, the Fri nite show LOSES money with just the women on the card...SOOOO, thats why the PJ was switched.
As for the Rules that "had to be followed" as per the Olympia contract...that was all set up by the promoter of the Olympia at the time...you guessed it....Wayne DeMilia.
Those contractual obligations are being contested by yours truly...and will be presented at the Board of Gov. meeting on the Olympia weekend.
Funny thing is lee...the very rules your complaining about, were put into place by the same guy you're looking to compete for again....
I finally figured out why Chic mentions Wayne so much negatively everytime he mentions the IFBB's past. He is pissed and holding a grudge cause he thinks it's Wayne's fault it took so long for him to turn Pro. I fully understand now why it is that Chic blames Wayne for everything. No way would he believe his current beloved boss's and slavemasters would do anything wrong. Chic, my buddy, give it up already. Most of the people know the Weiders pull the strings and make the decisions. For some odd reason you fail to want to realize in most cases "the owner" makes the ultimate decision. You just don't seem to be able to grasp that fact. You are definitley a loyal slave to your bosses, but deep down even you know they are scum and take advantage of EVERY member of the IFBB.
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Lee has no valid point...he doesn't understand that there is a difference between the RULES and the CODE OF CONDUCT.
There is no hypocrisy to the example you made...guestposing and competing are two different things...as a competitor, you are bound to pass a test (NZ rules), as a guest poser, you're not.
BTW, your jaywalking story (while funny)...only enforces what I've been saying. The officer CHOSE to act on the law, even though it is rarely enforced...that was HIS DISCRETION. I'm sure a hundred other people did exactly as you did without a problem.
As I explained, they're not singling out 1 or 2 people to drug test...they're not drug testing anyone...so it's fair to all.
Wasn't Sean tested in 91'
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It's got nothing to do with Hypocrisy, marc...it's called covering their ass.
Hypocrisy would be them telling you to take drugs, and THEN drug testing you to make sure you are all natural athletes.
No Hypocrisy as the rules states is telling your members it is illegal to do drugs, and not testing them (to uphold the rule) knowing that everyone single member takes them.
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Bull Shit all the fucking rules of federations.
Then why exist special invite?My friend IFBB PRO Nuria Sala was in Ms.Olympia 1994 and won nothing but another federation title.
And she had beatiful body but she doesnt have that much great body for O but she was working for RAFAEL SANTONJA
Then what? If I have 180kg shredded and better than Coleman,I will be invited in Olympia!(And of course,I have to work for one of IFBB person) NO DOUBT.
And I won 3rd place of Mr.Barcelona WABBA 1995.
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Thats great...all the power to lee.
I'm sure the IFBB's pockets are far deeper than lee's...
There is an old saying that goes: "Don't step over a dollar to pick up a quarter"
But sometimes a quarter is all you need.
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But sometimes a quarter is all you need.
:o exactly.
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No Hypocrisy as the rules states is telling your members it is illegal to do drugs, and not testing them (to uphold the rule) knowing that everyone single member takes them.
i agree here, if it's a rule and it's not being enforced then they should abolish the rule.
I get the impression they have made alot of these rules, i.e drug testing to get accpetance from mainstream media and IOC recognition. But they dont enforce the drug rule beacause they competitors wont look as big or sharp and then people will know that it's all been a lie in the past. I think the iffbb has shot it's self in the foot abit with it's unconsistency on policies.
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Whether or not the rule is in exsistance is irrelevant...what would be relevant is if it were imposed, that all IFBB pro's be treated equally, if they were to fail, they would face the consequences.
Whether the IFBB choses to use it, is in their hands, not ours.....as far as I know...nobody was bitching about NOT being tested..!
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I just read one of your other posts Chick where you said that the ifbb rules states something along the lines that they can choose the right to drug test or not and that it's not mandortory which legally can explain why they dont and can get away with it. And therefore in that regard all competitors are treated equally cause the last drug test i can remember was back in about 2000 with Jay Cutler i think.
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Exactly...
It also explains that the "code of conduct", are a series of "guidelines" the athletes SHOULD follow....distinctly diffreent than the RULES, which are far more B&W...this is where Lee's argument has no merit, citing that many athletes have broken the C.O.C., and nothing was enforced.
Nothing HAS to be enforced, they can do nothing, issue a written warning, etc....it's THEIR discression.
BTW...Lee is wrong when he says nothing has been done, he himself had to write a letter of apology for the tirade he wrote against Ben Weider and the IFBB...Many athletes have ben reprimanded for various infractions.
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Exactly...
It also explains that the "code of conduct", are a series of "guidelines" the athletes SHOULD follow....distinctly diffreent than the RULES, which are far more B&W...this is where Lee's argument has no merit, citing that many athletes have broken the C.O.C., and nothing was enforced.
Nothing HAS to be enforced, they can do nothing, issue a written warning, etc....it's THEIR discression.
BTW...Lee is wrong when he says nothing has been done, he himself had to write a letter of apology for the tirade he wrote against Ben Weider and the IFBB...Many athletes have ben reprimanded for various infractions.
No Bob get your story right .Where you get your info?I didn't write it Twinlab asked me to i said no.I told them you want it you write it and they did.Call and ask them i had nothing to do with the apology letter ask Rick Collins he was involved with it.The letter didn't come from me.Cause unlike you i don't change my stance or apologise for anything i have said or done.Now your stupid C.O.C yeah ok nudes,porno movies and photos,behaviour yeah the IFBB is really up on that aren't they.That includes athletes and officials.The rules are a joke so why not admit it.Oh that's right AMI pays you your monthly check as well.Oh Bob what happended to you?Hows your father Jepetto :)
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Whatever happens...
Count on Little Priest to show up with the smashing babes at the Olympia.
I'm guessing both of them.
And people, don't hate the playa. Hate the game. 8)
YIP
Zack
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I am betting he will show up with Marc on his arm :o :-*
Which is a lot better then the Blow up Manion Doll somebody else will bring :-*
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No Bob get your story right .Where you get your info?I didn't write it Twinlab asked me to i said no.I told them you want it you write it and they did.Call and ask them i had nothing to do with the apology letter ask Rick Collins he was involved with it.The letter didn't come from me.Cause unlike you i don't change my stance or apologise for anything i have said or done.Now your stupid C.O.C yeah ok nudes,porno movies and photos,behaviour yeah the IFBB is really up on that aren't they.That includes athletes and officials.The rules are a joke so why not admit it.Oh that's right AMI pays you your monthly check as well.Oh Bob what happended to you?Hows your father Jepetto :)
It was signed by YOU, wasn't it Lee?
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am betting he will show up with Marc on his arm
Which is a lot better then the Blow up Manion Doll somebody else will bring
Thats cool , because Marc,s a REAL HUNK OF A MAN !!! :D
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Thats cool , because Marc,s a REAL HUNK OF A MAN !!! :D
london said the same thing...you pdi guys like to keep things in the family
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london said the same thing...you pdi guys like to keep things in the family
I'm not PDI , but I am brutally honest !!! :D
"YOU CANT HANDEL THE TRUTH" to quote jack nicholson
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Thats cool , because Marc,s a REAL HUNK OF A MAN !!! :D
Oh yea sure, How would you know what Marc Rainbow really looks like ;) ;D
At least you'll have somewhere really cool to rest your drinks. 8)
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It was signed by YOU, wasn't it Lee?
NOPE NOT THIS TIME BOB :) THEY USED MY SIGNATURE ON FILE LIKE THE ONE THEY PUT IN THE TWINLAB ADS. OH BOB SO CLOSE BUT NAH
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Hmmmmm..That could be a problem, lee.
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Yeah, buddy.
DVD 8 - BodyBuildersReality.com
Chest and Arms!
Over 2 hours worth and a few key insults, rants and bellylaughs!
:o
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BOOM!
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Hmmmmm..That could be a problem, lee.
Bob life is a problem sometimes isn't it.Now go play on the freeway :) and don't take it so serious there is more to life then all this.Hope you realize that oneday Bob.
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first time ive seen a union rep arguing with one of the members.total conflict of interest going on here...i really cant believe this is going on.
you cant represent the people your supposed to be fighting for when your more for the powers that be, period
maybe its time to hand over the baton now you cant be impartial
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I'm not a "union rep"....
As "Atletes Rep"...It's my job to EXPLAIN how and why things work...not just blindly defend anyone who has an agenda.
I've already offered to put a anonymous vote at the next Athletes meeting (Olympia)..If there is enough support, I have no problem with submitting a proposal...from what I've seen so far...there simply isn't enough interest.
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first time ive seen a union rep arguing with one of the members.total conflict of interest going on here...i really cant believe this is going on.
you cant represent the people your supposed to be fighting for when your more for the powers that be, period
maybe its time to hand over the baton now you cant be impartial
Psst dear.... There is no Union, don't tell anyone <shh>
Bob is a rep because he happened to be walking by Manions fax machine when Shawn Ray quit.
Think of it as the same way the PDI names its Pros. Wayne has a "Magic Wand" and taps people on the shoulder and they become magical PDI Pros.
Actually I do believe it is almost time for the major meeting at the Olympia and this is where they table the names for people who wish to contest the positions of Athlete's Rep. So anybody could have put their name into the hat for the position and help their fellow pros out in a major way. <cough> Lee <cough>.
Correct me if I am wrong Bob.
Vote for Adela!!
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Psst dear.... There is no Union, don't tell anyone <shh>
Bob is a rep because he happened walking by Manions fax machine when Shawn Ray quit.
Think of it as the same way the PDI names its Pros. Wayne has a "Magic Wand" and taps people on the shoulder and they become magical PDI Pros.
Actually I do believe it is almost time for the major meeting at the Olympia and this is where they table the names for people who wish to contest the positions of Athlete's Rep. So anybody could have put their name into the hat for the position and help their fellow pros out in a major way. <cough> Lee <cough>.
Correct me if I am wrong Bob.
Vote for Adela!!
Cicherillo, Gold Ray and Lee Priest are the only three guys willing to openly confront the IFBB on matters over and over again.
They may have had different opinions on issues, but they all were vocal.
Unlike the rest, chickening out. Getting scared of DeMilia.
Fcuking gay4payers.
Lee, Gold and Cicherillo has some balls at least.
YIP
Zack
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I'm not a "union rep"....
As "Atletes Rep"...It's my job to EXPLAIN how and why things work...not just blindly defend anyone who has an agenda.
I've already offered to put a anonymous vote at the next Athletes meeting (Olympia)..If there is enough support, I have no problem with submitting a proposal...from what I've seen so far...there simply isn't enough interest.
ok thats cool.maybe there should be a UNION put together then, someone thats prepared to fight for the guys so that the powers that be cant just simply get away with anything they want.if there was enough people it would work,it just takes 1 man to stand up and take the initiative....dunno who that could be ;)
i thought the position you had was supposed to be like a union because i remember reading that a competing ifbb pro shouldnt hold the position because it would be a conflict of interest(i think this was around the time when shawn and titus were arguing about who got the job).thats why i thought it would be like a union rep.
anyway i dont give a shit really it doesnt affect me and you have made some changes in your time,but why should they get to do what they want and everyone has to like it or theyre fvcked
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ok thats cool.maybe there should be a UNION put together then, someone thats prepared to fight for the guys so that the powers that be cant just simply get away with anything they want.if there was enough people it would work,it just takes 1 man to stand up and take the initiative....dunno who that could be ;)
i thought the position you had was supposed to be like a union because i remember reading that a competing ifbb pro shouldnt hold the position because it would be a conflict of interest(i think this was around the time when shawn and titus were arguing about who got the job).thats why i thought it would be like a union rep.
anyway i dont give a shit really it doesnt affect me and you have made some changes in your time,but why should they get to do what they want and everyone has to like it or theyre fvcked
Union, Union.... I remember hearing something about that
Bob care to remind me?
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Union, Union.... I remember hearing something about that
Bob care to remind me?
me too,but i wasnt 100% sure.i thought it had been said in one of the mags a while ago
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I'm very impressed Lee's attitude and the way he doesn't take himself to seriously. Very refreshing change from a sport dominated by big egos with nothing to back it up.
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I'm very impressed Lee's attitude and the way he doesn't take himself to seriously. Very refreshing change from a sport dominated by big egos with nothing to back it up.
Thank you.How can you take anything serious these days.Just have fun enjoy life as much as you can.Some one will always complain about who you are,what you do and say.So f u c k them and enjoy :)
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Lee Priest can press his luck since he's already toast.
Lee, competing in the NOC is about the same as ending your career. If you had so much faith in the PDI then why are you arguing to compete at the Olympia??? Its simply because you're in it only for the money. You can care less about "making a difference". All you have to do is show up and collect 15,000 dollars for beating some rank amatuers. There is no "real pro" that's going to be onstage to compete against you.
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Lee Priest can press his luck since he's already toast.
Lee, competing in the NOC is about the same as ending your career. If you had so much faith in the PDI then why are you arguing to compete at the Olympia??? Its simply because you're in it only for the money. You can care less about "making a difference". All you have to do is show up and collect 15,000 dollars for beating some rank amatuers. There is no "real pro" that's going to be onstage to compete against you.
Coming from a retarded banana muncher, I somehow don't think that you're going to be taken too seriously. Lee is world famous in the bodybuilding and fitness circles. You're well known with the sissy boys down Cottonville State Penn. Get a clue man. Nobody has to prove anything to anyone, just themselves.
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Lee Priest can press his luck since he's already toast.
Lee, competing in the NOC is about the same as ending your career. If you had so much faith in the PDI then why are you arguing to compete at the Olympia??? Its simply because you're in it only for the money. You can care less about "making a difference". All you have to do is show up and collect 15,000 dollars for beating some rank amatuers. There is no "real pro" that's going to be onstage to compete against you.
OH VINCE YOU ARE RIGHT
YOU WORKED ME OUT.
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Thank you.How can you take anything serious these days.Just have fun enjoy life as much as you can.Some one will always complain about who you are,what you do and say.So f u c k them and enjoy :)
Whats up Lee,
I wish I could fit all that on my license plate! Couldn't have said it better myself.
Steven
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same old
and you?
how about F.'EM / SCRU U
They might fit :)
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Bottom line, EVERY IFBB bodybuilder should be shaken Lee's hand and saying good for you AT THE VERY LEAST. Regardless of the cod of ethics and rules a BB should be able to earn a living. Since the IFBB does not give even their top guys a salary they should be allowed to go else where to compete......Lee is a LEADER and not a pathetic follower in a ridiculous game where the head guys get rich and some of the competitors that sell tix can hardly pay rent and pose for fags for a living. Stick to your guns Lee....make creative shirts and sell them to the bodybuilding world before others decide to and capitalize off your move. I don't understand how another BB that has been in this lifestyle for over 20 years can not back up Lee Priest.
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Bottom line, EVERY IFBB bodybuilder should be shaken Lee's hand and saying good for you AT THE VERY LEAST. Regardless of the cod of ethics and rules a BB should be able to earn a living. Since the IFBB does not give even their top guys a salary they should be allowed to go else where to compete......Lee is a LEADER and not a pathetic follower in a ridiculous game where the head guys get rich and some of the competitors that sell tix can hardly pay rent and pose for fags for a living. Stick to your guns Lee....make creative shirts and sell them to the bodybuilding world before others decide to and capitalize off your move. I don't understand how another BB that has been in this lifestyle for over 20 years can not back up Lee Priest.
Yeah, but as is always the case, the person who stands up against the system will get crucified for stepping out of line.
Its a David vs Goliath situation, or in this case Lee vs Weider.
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Lee Priest can press his luck since he's already toast.
Lee, competing in the NOC is about the same as ending your career. If you had so much faith in the PDI then why are you arguing to compete at the Olympia??? Its simply because you're in it only for the money.
Why cant a Professional bodybuilder be in it for the money. Isn't that what professional means. He is entitled to make money as a bodybuilder, as much moneys as he can.
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Bob life is a problem sometimes isn't it.Now go play on the freeway :) and don't take it so serious there is more to life then all this.Hope you realize that oneday Bob.
Oh Bob will when he gets his head out of the IFBB ass and realizes there is more to life than just Bob ;)
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To Lee Priest from Jerry Brainum
On 21 January 1983, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee, a judgment order was entered that prohibited a physique federation, from penalizing, punishing, or “interfering in any way” with any member who participates in another federation's physique contest. Such participation includes entry into, promotion of such a contest, or officiating at a contest. In addition, that federal court order stated that the federation may not “condone, ratify or facilitate, or permit such actions by any member or affiliate of the federation . . .” It also required the federation to “take all steps reasonably necessary to remedy any” such prohibited conduct. The right of all athletes to participate in competition without fear of interference from other organizations has thus been reaffirmed in federal court.
If this is true, the IFBB could be in violation of the law if it prevents a qualified competitor, such as Priest, from competing in the Olympia because he also chooses to compete in another federation's contest. I think that a professional should be able to compete in any contest he or she chooses, especially considering that these federations provide no income, other than contest winnings, nor do they provide any benefits, such as medical, and so on.
From Gene Mozee
The IFBB has been notorious for prohibting bodybuilders from entering other federation events. As far back as 1975, Dennis Tinnerino won the IFBB Pro Mr. Universe in Los Angeles, but Ben Weider stripped him of the title and gave it to 2nd place winner Bob Birdsong. Ben Weider stated that because Tinnerino had enter a WBBG contest, he was banned from the IFBB unless he reapplied for reinstatement. I spoke with Dennis the night of his stolen victory, and he said no one would ever know that he beat Franco Columbu and all the rest that night. Franco had entered the contest--which he promoted himself--but withdrew after the prejudging saying that he was too busy running the contest to compete. Rumor has it was Franco saw the prejuging score cards and seeing he didn't win, pulled of the evening show. Tinnerino looked great and even Arnold said that Dennis was in the best shape of his life that night. If you don't believe me, ask Dick Tyler or Bill Pearl who were two of the judges. Dennis did get to keep the first place prize money of $1500, but not the title.
From Jerry Brainum
Funny that you mention Tinerino, Gene. I had lunch with him earlier today. I've known Dennis for over 40 years, dating back to Brooklyn, when we would train together occasionally. Dennis mentioned that he felt that he should have won the 1980 Mr.Olympia, since he believed that was when he was in his best shape. He said that Arnold looked awful at that show. I told Dennis about the time that I attended a pro meeting held at Gold's gym years ago. I had just talked to Dave Johns, who told me that he had received a letter from the IFBB suspending him because he had just competed in, and won the NABBA Mr.Universe contest. Dave told me that he found this suspension curious, since he had never joined the IFBB. When I asked Ben Weider about this at the pro meeting, rather than answer the question, he changed the subject completely. Frankly, I just don't understand why and how any "federation" should limit where a pro competes. It seems monopolistic to me.
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To Lee Priest from Jerry Brainum
On 21 January 1983, in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Tennessee, a judgment order was entered that prohibited a physique federation, from penalizing, punishing, or “interfering in any way” with any member who participates in another federation's physique contest. Such participation includes entry into, promotion of such a contest, or officiating at a contest. In addition, that federal court order stated that the federation may not “condone, ratify or facilitate, or permit such actions by any member or affiliate of the federation . . .” It also required the federation to “take all steps reasonably necessary to remedy any” such prohibited conduct. The right of all athletes to participate in competition without fear of interference from other organizations has thus been reaffirmed in federal court.
If this is true, the IFBB could be in violation of the law if it prevents a qualified competitor, such as Priest, from competing in the Olympia because he also chooses to compete in another federation's contest. I think that a professional should be able to compete in any contest he or she chooses, especially considering that these federations provide no income, other than contest winnings, nor do they provide any benefits, such as medical, and so on.
From Gene Mozee
The IFBB has been notorious for prohibting bodybuilders from entering other federation events. As far back as 1975, Dennis Tinnerino won the IFBB Pro Mr. Universe in Los Angeles, but Ben Weider stripped him of the title and gave it to 2nd place winner Bob Birdsong. Ben Weider stated that because Tinnerino had enter a WBBG contest, he was banned from the IFBB unless he reapplied for reinstatement. I spoke with Dennis the night of his stolen victory, and he said no one would ever know that he beat Franco Columbu and all the rest that night. Franco had entered the contest--which he promoted himself--but withdrew after the prejudging saying that he was too busy running the contest to compete. Rumor has it was Franco saw the prejuging score cards and seeing he didn't win, pulled of the evening show. Tinnerino looked great and even Arnold said that Dennis was in the best shape of his life that night. If you don't believe me, ask Dick Tyler or Bill Pearl who were two of the judges. Dennis did get to keep the first place prize money of $1500, but not the title.
From Jerry Brainum
Funny that you mention Tinerino, Gene. I had lunch with him earlier today. I've known Dennis for over 40 years, dating back to Brooklyn, when we would train together occasionally. Dennis mentioned that he felt that he should have won the 1980 Mr.Olympia, since he believed that was when he was in his best shape. He said that Arnold looked awful at that show. I told Dennis about the time that I attended a pro meeting held at Gold's gym years ago. I had just talked to Dave Johns, who told me that he had received a letter from the IFBB suspending him because he had just competed in, and won the NABBA Mr.Universe contest. Dave told me that he found this suspension curious, since he had never joined the IFBB. When I asked Ben Weider about this at the pro meeting, rather than answer the question, he changed the subject completely. Frankly, I just don't understand why and how any "federation" should limit where a pro competes. It seems monopolistic to me.
Great post. It says allot about the person who would want to support an organization like the IFBB and the Weiders.
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I'm not a "union rep"....
As "Atletes Rep"...It's my job to EXPLAIN how and why things work...not just blindly defend anyone who has an agenda.
I've already offered to put a anonymous vote at the next Athletes meeting (Olympia)..If there is enough support, I have no problem with submitting a proposal...from what I've seen so far...there simply isn't enough interest.
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Bob is not a rep of any kind. Athletes Rep is stretching it allot, he basically reps himself. Athletes is plural. In reality he is a liaison. He basically repeats what is told to him to the IFBB members. And in return he will voice to the IFBB what he thinks is appropriate. He acts as a "buffer" between the two parties. Thats it. A rep would actually go to the IFBB representing the best interest of the member as an individual also. Especially in BB since there are so few of them. He has no real power at all. The IFBB dictates what power he has. Ultimately the IFBB will do what it wants. As in other sports or organizations, the members come together to create power. Power is in numbers. That is a fact. The IFBB is the boss right now. The only way to get anything done in reality is to bring all the members together and "strike" until what they want is met. How long do you think the IFBB and the mags can stay in business without the BB's who get them all their marketing power. Don't show up to the Olympia and see what happens. You have to be tough and you have to be inpartial. Bob is neither. Sure he has a very big mouth but can't back anything up. What he should be doing is personally call every single IFBB Pro and get them to come together create some demands, submit to the IFBB and be ready to strike if they aren't met. But Bob IS NOT the person to get this done. He can't. His boss is the IFBB. He owes them. He does what they want and say. He is NOT impartial and does not belong in the position he is in. It's too bad the pros are such pussys. You have less than a handful of pros who speak up. The rest are slaves to the IFBB and its sad to see such big guys with no balls or pride. Why is the fuck would anyone want to be an IFBB pro is beyond me. Very insecure and desperate are also two other requirements to be a pro
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its sad to see such big guys with no balls
All the steroids have shrunk them!
Why is the f**k would anyone want to be an IFBB pro is beyond me. Very insecure and desperate are also two other requirements to be a pro
Why do you think we make fun of most pros around here? ;D
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Great post. It says allot about the person who would want to support an organization like the IFBB and the Weiders.
Below is the actual finding:
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE
SOUTHERN DIVISION
THE AMATUER ATHLETIC UNION
OF THE UNITED STATE, INC.,
JAMES LOWE, LEE BURNS AND
JERRY BURNS,
PLAINTIFFS
VS.
THE NATIONAL PHYSIQUE
COMMITEE OF THE U.S.A.,
INC., THE SOUTHESATERN
ASSOCIATION OF THE NATIONAL
PYSIQUES COMMITTEE FO THE
U.S.A., INC., THE SOUTHEASTERN
PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE, THE
TENNESSEE BOARD OF ADVISORS
OF THE SOUTHEASTERN PHYSIQUE
COMMITTEE, MIKE KIZER AND JAMES MANION
DEFENDANTS
CIVIL ACTION NO. 1-82-83
STIPUATION AND ORDER
IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED by and between the undersigned attorneys for the parties that,
WHEREAS, the plaintiffs have commenced this action against the defendants charging the defendants with violations of various federal anti-trust statues, and WHEREAS, the defendants have counter-claimed against the plaintiffs charging the plaintiffs with violations of various anti-trust statues and seeking relief on other grounds, and
WHEREAS, the Court entered and signed its order and preliminary injunction of June 3, 1982,
NOW, THEREFORE, it is agree as follows:
1. The defendents, including the National Physique Committee of the U.S.A., Inc., The Southeastern Association of the National Physique Commitee of the U.S.A, Inc., The Southeastern Physique Committee, the Tennessee Board of Advisors of the Southeastern Physique Committee, Mike Kizer and James Manion agree to continue their stated policy of not imposing any sanctions upon or otherwise penalizing or punishing or threatening to impose any santions upon (or otherwise penalilzing or interfereing in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest sanctioned by the Amateur Athletic Union of the United States, Inc., ("The AAU"),) whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, a sponsor, or otherwise and will not condone, ratify, facilitate or permit such actions by any member or affiliate of the NPC for so long as the defendants (other than the NPC) remain as members or affiliates of the NPC. The defendants will take all steps reasonby necessary to remeday any violation of their stated policy as set forth above, which violation comes to their attention.
2. Defendants further agree to email a copy of this stipulation and order to the NPC's Board of Governors and an officer of the NPC shall cerfity that such mailing has been accomplisehd within (30) days of this stipulation and order.
3. The AAU agrees to maintain its stated policy of not enforcing Section 454.10(a) of its 1982 Official code.
4. All claims for relief contained in the complaint and answer and counter-claim are withdrawn with prejudice and without cost to any party against another.
5. The preliminary injunction previously entered and signed on June 3, 1982, is hereby dissolved and the bond posted by the plaintiffs in connection with that order and the preliminary injunction is hereby exonerated.
6. This stipulation shall not be demed an adjudication of liability against or an admission of liability by any party.
It is actually only a court ruling and stipulation. Although, I believe it will set precedence when applied to Lee's litigation. The same precedent should apply to a Pro organization as it does to amateur organizations. I believe if and when Lee challenges this in court, he will prevail. Now go knock the f*ck out of them Lee!
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This has been visited before, more then I can remember
This ruling only applies to athletes with amateur status. When they become Professional Athletes the ruling has no bearing anymore.
I still think that this is just only Lee's way of going out in a "Blaze of Glory", not a political stance to bring down the hierarchy. Just an excuse to blame others for him losing interest in the professional competitive body building circus.
I guess like everybody else it will be a wait and see if either the IFBB or Lee have the fight necessary.
My money isn't on the non-commital party
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This has been visited before, more then I can remember
This ruling only applies to athletes with amateur status. When they become Professional Athletes the ruling has no bearing anymore.
I still think that this is just only Lee's way of going out in a "Blaze of Glory", not a political stance to bring down the hierarchy. Just an excuse to blame others for him losing interest in the professional competitive body building circus.
I guess like everybody else it will be a wait and see if either the IFBB or Lee have the fight necessary.
My money isn't on the non-commital party
Actually I think you may be wrong in this one. Yes, the ruling was related to amateur athletes. However, as explained in my comment, the original basis for the litigation was anti-trust violations and therefore germane to Lee's litigation should it go forward. As precedent has already been set in the above ruling, I believe it can be used as the basis for Lee's litigation as well as both meet the criteria of anti-trust violations.
All this being said, an argument can be made that the IFBB has deep pockets. However, I believe good council will bring litigation and publicity. Once an entity such as the ACLU gets wind of this, they will be chomping at the bit to either take over the case or assist as co council. If this happens, I can assure you not many organizations have the resources, both monitary and legal expertise as the ACLU.