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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on August 24, 2006, 08:20:37 AM
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it fuck with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it f**k with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
They become superman with a crytonite up their ass ;D
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it f**k with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
why are you so obsessed with this issue?
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im sure it must suck not to be able to train as hard/much as when on.
they have to resort to pussy training like you
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it f**k with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
hahah, you don't really believe Shawn is off, do you?
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it f**k with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
You tell us since you are not natural
Usually the person who screams the loudest that they are natural , are steroid users.
The gimmick is up dude, we know you are not natural.
Just because you took gear and still look like shit dont blame us for your shitty genetics.
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hahah, you don't really believe Shawn is off, do you?
HRT....
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Shawns got $$ tho....shiz if I had illions in the bank I wouldnt give a shit about getting bigger most guys go pro for the money not to get big and stay that way forever
watch BFTO 01'----he's got a Lambo, Benz, and the best house out of all those guys
including Ron with his home gym...whick he didnt have then
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why are you so obsessed with this issue?
What got me thinking was Shawn Rays current waist size.
Perhaps he let himself go because he forgot how it was to be natural and just gave up.
It seems like as soon as he stopped with drugs he never set foot in the gym again, and for some reason is proud of that.
There has to be more reason than that. Most people who go to the gym are not bodybuilders and do it for health reasons or to at least keep a decent appearance.
He just willfully let himself go. I am wondering why? Same thing with Mike Morris.
It does not take days and days in the gym to at least be presentable. They should know that. It is their right to just give up, but I`d like to know their experience with it all.
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it f**k with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
I came off for 3 years from 2001 to 2004....no, i did not cut the dose down, I was on zero drugs.
I also didn't touch a weight from from november 2001 to january of 2003. It was tough, but after 6 months i was ok, and yea it played with my head...but i wasnt training, so it wasnt all that hard....
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I came off for 3 years from 2001 to 2004....no, i did not cut the dose down, I was on zero drugs.
I also didn't touch a weight from from november 2001 to january of 2003. It was tough, but after 6 months i was ok, and yea it played with my head...but i wasnt training, so it wasnt all that hard....
Tell us about the strength difference.
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HRT....
if you'd call 250mg a week at least hrt, maybe. ;D ;D
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What got me thinking was Shawn Rays current waist size.
Perhaps he let himself go because he forgot how it was to be natural and just gave up.
It seems like as soon as he stopped with drugs he never set foot in the gym again, and for some reason is proud of that.
There has to be more reason than that. Most people who go to the gym are not bodybuilders and do it for health reasons or to at least keep a decent appearance.
He just willfully let himself go. I am wondering why? Same thing with Mike Morris.
It does not take days and days in the gym to at least be presentable. They should know that. It is their right to just give up, but I`d like to know their experience with it all.
so whats that gotta do with steroids? a lot of former athletes put on weight when they quit training
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What got me thinking was Shawn Rays current waist size.
Perhaps he let himself go because he forgot how it was to be natural and just gave up.
It seems like as soon as he stopped with drugs he never set foot in the gym again, and for some reason is proud of that.
There has to be more reason than that. Most people who go to the gym are not bodybuilders and do it for health reasons or to at least keep a decent appearance.
He just willfully let himself go. I am wondering why? Same thing with Mike Morris.
It does not take days and days in the gym to at least be presentable. They should know that. It is their right to just give up, but I`d like to know their experience with it all.
It's the all or nothing mentality. I guess once youv'e been to the mountaintop you can't accept anything else, so why waste the effort. I know plenty of dudes that simply won't train clean. I have no sympathy for these twats cuz if they wouldn't have taken the easy way out, they probably would have built a decent physique by now and training would be gratifying. Being big and natural is great like me.
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so whats that gotta do with steroids? a lot of former athletes put on weight when they quit training
There has to be a reason why most everyone who uses steroids for long periods of time, just let themselves go completely.
It HAS EVERYTHING to do with the drugs...From just not being able to hack it naturally to not knowing how to eat or train properly when not on drugs. You can obviously get away with a whole lot of shit eating and trainign when on drugs. It must be a rude awakening when going natural.
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You tell us since you are not natural
Usually the person who screams the loudest that they are natural , are steroid users.
The gimmick is up dude, we know you are not natural.
Just because you took gear and still look like shit dont blame us for your shitty genetics.
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Flex did say that when he retires, he has no intentions to go near a gym and train as hard as he used to
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if you'd call 250mg a week at least hrt, maybe. ;D ;D
Depends on your Doc!! ;)
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Tell us about the strength difference.
it wasnt a big shock when i started training again, i was trying to stay lightheavy for a few years...so i was only "on" 16 weeks before a show, never during the offseason....so i was used to never getting strong from a cycle, just helping for the shows.
i always took nutrition and supplements very serious, and that is what i believed in....the drugs just helped in the end, i never built my body thinking this or that drug will be the end result.
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we (bodybuilders) are not guinea pigs for christ sake :o :o
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There has to be a reason why most everyone who uses steroids for long periods of time, just let themselves go completely.
It HAS EVERYTHING to do with the drugs...From just not being able to hack it naturally to not knowing how to eat or train properly when not on drugs. You can obviously get away with a whole lot of shit eating and trainign when on drugs. It must be a rude awakening when going natural.
not it got nothing to do with drugs because this is as common in non-steroids sports as in bodybuilding. it's got more to do with people after 30's and 40's put on weight easier, it's about people that been working out 24-7 wants a break, how will you feel in 20 years from now going to the gym? you dont know. maybe you'll be a fat fuck eating donuts. a lot of people stop working out and eats the same so they put on weight.
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Flex did say that when he retires, he has no intentions to go near a gym and train as hard as he used to
That surprised me when I heard it. I always assumed these guys were gym rats just like me, y'now iron in the blood and all that shit.
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That surprised me when I heard it. I always assumed these guys were gym rats just like me, y'now iron in the blood and all that shit.
guess they built up their name and fame enough to keep them going
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guess they built up their name and fame enough to keep them going
I just find it interesting that virtually ALL of the Natural Champions of yesteryear, such as Grimek,Reeves, Lallane etc... all continued to train.
While they may not have gone nearly as much, they surely did not let themselves just go. They were able to always look the part even when not training hard.
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I just find it interesting that virtually ALL of the Natural Champions of yesteryear, such as Grimek,Reeves, Lallane etc... all continued to train.
While they may not have gone nearly as much, they surely did not let themselves just go. They were able to always look the part even when not training hard.
Jack Lallane is a known synthol user....
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I just find it interesting that virtually ALL of the Natural Champions of yesteryear, such as Grimek,Reeves, Lallane etc... all continued to train.
While they may not have gone nearly as much, they surely did not let themselves just go. They were able to always look the part even when not training hard.
honestly it's all a part of that generation, this generation has easy access to everything now, guys back then had to work and we're very used to hard work, 99 percent of "bodybuilders" today would die halfway through one of Grimek's workouts.
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:D Then they go to thier doctor to get it done legally right ... well thats what one well know pro said... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I dont see coleman, give up the gym all together, when he retires. he maynot go balls-to-the-wall, but he'll retain a good physique thru his 50's
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Same thing with Mike Morris.
Mike Morris still trains. Yeah, he's a lot smaller, but he still trains casually. I'd imagine that when you first come off of really high doses, your body won't allow you to train balls out because of all the haywire going on with your test levles.
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Mike Morris still trains. Yeah, he's a lot smaller, but he still trains casually. I'd imagine that when you first come off of really high doses, your body won't allow you to train balls out because of all the haywire going on with your test levles.
bullshit, that's an excuse, your body is a lot stronger than people give it credit for it's their minds that are weak.
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I wonder if excessive steroid use for long periods of time just ruins the body so bad, that training and dieting naturally is not an option. Perhaps the body is so ravaged and the mental toll so great, that it just doesn`t work anymore.
Perhaps it is the end.
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lee haney and dorian still train, don't they? dorian is still in decent shape, as is mike christian.
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bullshit, that's an excuse, your body is a lot stronger than people give it credit for it's their minds that are weak.
Perhaps you're right. I'm just spectulating. I've never been on gear
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, that's an excuse, your body is a lot stronger than people give it credit for it's their minds that are weak.
I dont think so sarc.....Going balls to the wall when you have the testosterone of a girlscout is the worse thing you can do.
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I dont think so sarc.....Going balls to the wall when you have the testosterone of a girlscout is the worse thing you can do.
ok, "gatrainer" you're probably the type of guy who does one set per bodypart because you don't want to "overtrain". ::)
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lee haney and dorian still train, don't they? dorian is still in decent shape, as is mike christian.
and they're natural too ::)
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ok, "gatrainer" you're probably the type of guy who does one set per bodypart because you don't want to "overtrain". ::)
yep...and that one set would be cable crossovers.....I do drop set though
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just shut up trueanus!
You would suck even if you juiced! Roids don't work for barnyard ears!
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it f**k with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
r u a virgin?
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lee haney and dorian still train, don't they? dorian is still in decent shape, as is mike christian.
Dorian has been known to go back on the gear long after he retired. I used to train at Temple Gym and saw the difference in him first hand. You could tell when he was on and when he wasn't. It was no big deal really - he used to do it all the time.
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True Adonis first of all I belive you just jealous that you will never look like a pro. You do have serious issues and obsession about drugs.
I think the fact that you know that naturally you will never even look like average national cometitor makes you a very sad, sad person who tries his best to make himself belive that "it's all about drugs"
Well whatever makes you feel good I guess.
Now to the subject. Besides the fact that steroids exist in all professional sports and it's safe to say that all athletes use performance enhancers to some extent, it's still obvious that to be a bodybuilder you must have genetics to respond to training, nutrition and yes drugs.
Even without the drugs the top Olympia competitors with proper training, nutrition, rest would look way better than average Joe (and that includes you too). The drugs simply enhance the work, diet, dedication and genetics.
As for who keeps training after their career is over that is individual decision.
Will you ever start a threat not related to drugs?
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True Adonis first of all I belive you just jealous that you will never look like a pro. You do have serious issues and obsession about drugs.
I think the fact that you know that naturally you will never even look like average national cometitor makes you a very sad, sad person who tries his best to make himself belive that "it's all about drugs"
Well whatever makes you feel good I guess.
Now to the subject. Besides the fact that steroids exist in all professional sports and it's safe to say that all athletes use performance enhancers to some extent, it's still obvious that to be a bodybuilder you must have genetics to respond to training, nutrition and yes drugs.
Even without the drugs the top Olympia competitors with proper training, nutrition, rest would look way better than average Joe (and that includes you too). The drugs simply enhance the work, diet, dedication and genetics.
As for who keeps training after their career is over that is individual decision.
Will you ever start a threat not related to drugs?
A pros physique is awful looking in my opinion. Steve Reeves, John Grimek and Clarence Ross is what I want to look like.
Frank Zane isn`t so bad either.
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True Adonis first of all I belive you just jealous that you will never look like a pro. You do have serious issues and obsession about drugs.
I think the fact that you know that naturally you will never even look like average national cometitor makes you a very sad, sad person who tries his best to make himself belive that "it's all about drugs"
Well whatever makes you feel good I guess.
Now to the subject. Besides the fact that steroids exist in all professional sports and it's safe to say that all athletes use performance enhancers to some extent, it's still obvious that to be a bodybuilder you must have genetics to respond to training, nutrition and yes drugs.
Even without the drugs the top Olympia competitors with proper training, nutrition, rest would look way better than average Joe (and that includes you too). The drugs simply enhance the work, diet, dedication and genetics.
As for who keeps training after their career is over that is individual decision.
Will you ever start a threat not related to drugs?
Thats not true. Have you ever seen Chris Dickerson off of drugs?
Phil Heath before drugs? Dexter Jackson wasn`t even over 140 lbs or Dave Henry.
The Pros would not be anything special naturally. They are just like everyone else.
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A pros physique is awful looking in my opinion. Steve Reeves, John Grimek and Clarence Ross is what I want to look like.
Frank Zane isn`t so bad either.
who cares? really, it is irrelevant
fact of the matter is, nobody is going anywhere in modern competitive bb without drugs
you can bitch and moan about it all you want, but the facts will remain the same
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Thats not true. Have you ever seen Chris Dickerson off of drugs?
Phil Heath before drugs? Dexter Jackson wasn`t even over 140 lbs or Dave Henry.
The Pros would not be anything special naturally. They are just like everyone else.
How many people do you know of that use drugs and don't look like a pro? Why isn't everyone on the steroid boards a pro?
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I wonder if excessive steroid use for long periods of time just ruins the body so bad, that training and dieting naturally is not an option. Perhaps the body is so ravaged and the mental toll so great, that it just doesn`t work anymore.
Perhaps it is the end.
for some people this is actually true, i know guys who have been on for decades and were 325 at 5'8 with abs and seperation that tried to go off and the Dr's basically told them they cant. They will literally fall apart and there health will fail. They had to be on something for the rest of there lives even if only 200mgs. That takes megadosing for years on end though
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TA, I understand some of your points & actually agree with some of them. However, I have to agree with the statement below.
You do have serious issues and obsession about drugs.
Why do you seem to care so much if someone's on gear or not?
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for some people this is actually true, i know guys who have been on for decades and were 325 at 5'8 with abs and seperation that tried to go off and the Dr's basically told them they cant. They will literally fall apart and there health will fail. They had to be on something for the rest of there lives even if only 200mgs. That takes megadosing for years on end though
definatly scary. is that pros or just mostly gym rats that abuse the stuff.
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I wonder if excessive steroid use for long periods of time just ruins the body so bad, that training and dieting naturally is not an option. Perhaps the body is so ravaged and the mental toll so great, that it just doesn`t work anymore.
Perhaps it is the end.
can you en light us with some scientific evidence here? we are not talking about the crack cocaine that you are on right?
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definatly scary. is that pros or just mostly gym rats that abuse the stuff.
most are not even pros but do well nationally
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They look like Alexxx but 75 lbs heavier ;D
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How many people do you know of that use drugs and don't look like a pro? Why isn't everyone on the steroid boards a pro?
That's silly. You have to be born with a decent structure and good muscle insertions to be a pro. That doesn't have anything to do with hard work.
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That's silly. You have to be born with a decent structure and good muscle insertions to be a pro. That doesn't have anything to do with hard work.
was it hard for you when you came off drugs Bast?
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No one but an idiot would compare ph's to drugs.
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No one but an idiot would compare ph's to drugs.
are you still entering? I had you as number 2 or 3.
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That's silly. You have to be born with a decent structure and good muscle insertions to be a pro. That doesn't have anything to do with hard work.
Well why aren't they all 230-250 with single digit bodyfat then?
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Thats not true. Have you ever seen Chris Dickerson off of drugs?
Phil Heath before drugs? Dexter Jackson wasn`t even over 140 lbs or Dave Henry.
The Pros would not be anything special naturally. They are just like everyone else.
Dexter won a show at 138lbs when he started out. monster muscle thickness. Dexter and Dave excel because of their muscle shape and structure, but they would be 45lbs lighter or more without drugs and with worse conditioning.
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Well why aren't they all 230-250 with single digit bodyfat then?
because they don't take as much as the pros. They have other jobs. There job isn't soley to get big and ripped. If money is involved you'll take more risks.
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No one but an idiot would compare ph's to drugs because they are the same thing, you can compare tow of the same thing!!
Thats what I thought!!
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Thats what I thought!!
Jae, do you feel like Bast was trying to cheat and get one over on you?
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Jae, do you feel like Bast was trying to cheat and get one over on you?
I never considered ph's to be drugs. JeJonna is using it as an excuse for being fat and out of shape still.
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I never considered ph's to be drugs. JeJonna is using it as an excuse for being fat and out of shape still.
and you deleted posts to keep your count low? ::) Are you going to compete in the open division with the rest of the juicers?
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The only supplements I took to diet down were whey, flax, and vitamins. Jae doesn't have the mental strength to stay away from cakes and chocolates.
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because they don't take as much as the pros. They have other jobs. There job isn't soley to get big and ripped. If money is involved you'll take more risks.
Yes and then it becomes an issue of dosage. Then it becomes about growth and insulin. It's always the same thing.
Plenty of people could take two grams a week and still look like shit.
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The only supplements I took to diet down were whey, flax, and vitamins. Jae doesn't have the mental strength to stay away from cakes and chocolates.
are you going to compete in the open division?
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Plenty of people who could take two grams a week and still look like shit.
They would certainly gain a lot of muscle if they ate a lot of food. And drugs increase your appetite so I don't imagine it being very hard.
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The only supplements I took to diet down were whey, flax, and vitamins. Jae doesn't have the mental strength to stay away from cakes and chocolates.
::) yeah well Mr. Prohormone over here, its too late...you dont have the mental strength to keep your mouth closed, no one would of accused you of anything if you werent such a lil yappin girl about it..loose lips sink ships bro ...good luck in the unnatural div...
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They would certainly gain a lot of muscle if they ate a lot of food. And drugs increase your appetite so I don't imagine it being very hard.
Are you still planning to start as natural?
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True Adonis knew I took phs and he was man enough to compete against me (he knew that if I had any advantage it was minimal), but you're not.
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Are you still planning to start as natural?
yeah, you competing with the fellow juicers or not?
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They would certainly gain a lot of muscle if they ate a lot of food. And drugs increase your appetite so I don't imagine it being very hard.
You'll be amazed what some people are using.
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True Adonis knew I took phs and he was man enough to compete against me (he knew that if I had any advantage it was minimal), but you're not.
Thing is you tried to hide it, but it came out!
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I dont think you have the legs anyways....I know you dont have calves... the only thing you have on me is that your leaner as of right now...but 28 days away isnt right now... well good luck in the Roid Division
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Bast can you suggest some pro-hormone cycles for me...I'm not ready for the dark side.
I was think 900mg 1-AD+ 500mg of transedermal 4-AD?
What do you think? ;D
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Thing is you tried to hide it, but it came out!
He wanted to keep his post count low? thats a stupid excuse.
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yeah, you competing with the fellow juicers or not?
how would it be fair for me who took prohormones (that do little at best) months ago to compete against guys who inject steroids before and currently?
Also I did not try to hide it, I thought using phs was still considered natural. Some guys do think that, some dont'.
I won't 'compete' at all or argue about it, because it's not important.
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He wanted to keep his post count low? thats a stupid excuse.
Well there is a difference between 1205 and 1193.... ::)
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how would it be fair for me who took prohormones (that do little at best) months ago to compete against guys who inject steroids before and currently?
Also I did not try to hide it, I thought using phs was still considered natural. Some guys do think that, some dont'.
I won't 'compete' at all or argue about it, because it's not important.
meltdown.... If they made Pumping Iron 3, you could play the Katz Character...you know the melting one hahahahahah
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Adonis. Larry Scott still continued to look great after he stopped competing. Sergio Still looks huge. Ed Corney still trains etc etc
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I understand your jealousy jaejonna.
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Some of these steroids or prosteriods/prohormones that came out before the ban were more potent and liver toxic than illegal steroids...
Bast you must tell us what you used?How long you used it?Etc...I will make the final decision as to wheather or not you are natural or not..
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I understand your jealousy jaejonna.
In all seriousness I think the guys who are on the juice dont look better than some of your pics... you should compete anyways..werent you tryin to win the overall ?? If so, then nothin has changed ..
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might not be the right thread but what's teh deal with bast anyway? I've heard he's 30 years old and lives in his parents basement...which is sad, man I would be a monster if I did that...I've also heard he's gay...now I hear he's not natural....what's teh story?
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In all seriousness I think the guys who are on the juice dont look better than some of your pics... you should compete anyways..werent you tryin to win the overall ?? If so, then nothin has changed ..
I'll save myself the hassle of having pictures taken.
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might not be the right thread but what's teh deal with bast anyway? I've heard he's 30 years old and lives in his parents basement...which is sad, man I would be a monster if I did that...I've also heard he's gay...now I hear he's not natural....what's teh story?
I'm 22, and only people I've owned call me gay, because that's the best they can do.
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might not be the right thread but what's teh deal with bast anyway? I've heard he's 30 years old and lives in his parents basement...which is sad, man I would be a monster if I did that...I've also heard he's gay...now I hear he's not natural....what's teh story?
he's a gay prohormone abuser..
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I'm 22, and only people I've owned call me gay, because that's the best they can do.
No one is going to bring you down Bast! Bast to win the Mr Getbig!
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In all seriousness I think the guys who are on the juice dont look better than some of your pics... you should compete anyways..werent you tryin to win the overall ?? If so, then nothin has changed ..
true....i competed in the 2003 east coast and nationals with no drugs for 2 years....2nd in the east coast, and 13th in the nationals.....so it can be done
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No one is going to bring you down Bast! Bast to win the Mr Getbig!
Bast does have a good build for a young male..However, he's far from natural...I highly believe i know his handle on anabolicminds forums where he spoke out in the open about doing 6 pro-hormone cycles since he was 19 years of age..
I just looked at the fourm and he used the following drug
Sledge test--an injectable version of 1-testosterone and 4-Ad wich converts to testosterone in the body..
Mehtyl-1-testosterone...1-AD, transdermal 4-ad, 3aa 5aa, mestalone, methyl-dht...methyl 5-ad...1, 4 androsteindiol which converts to boldenone..equipoise in the body.Nornadrosteindiol which converts to deca.
i think we should call him a juicer, as he has used more different types of steriods than lee priest..
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anyone notice how bast completely ignores my posts....
The truth hurts.... :'(
I forgot to mention he used superdol, pheraplex, m4ohn-methyl hydroxy nandrolone, and methyl dien..I missed reading about his cycles with those...Damn his parents probally paid a lot of money for those supplemnets/steriods
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anyone notice how bast completely ignores my posts....
The truth hurts.... :'(
If I got caught cheating and deleting my posts I'd probably stay logged off for a couple years or so.
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Bast does have a good build for a young male..However, he's far from natural...I highly believe i know his handle on anabolicminds forums where he spoke out in the open about doing 6 pro-hormone cycles since he was 19 years of age..
I just looked at the fourm and he used the following drug
Sledge test--an injectable version of 1-testosterone and 4-Ad wich converts to testosterone in the body..
Mehtyl-1-testosterone...1-AD, transdermal 4-ad, 3aa 5aa, mestalone, methyl-dht...methyl 5-ad...1, 4 androsteindiol which converts to boldenone..equipoise in the body.Nornadrosteindiol which converts to deca.
i think we should call him a juicer, as he has used more different types of steriods than lee priest..
what a cheater. using PH is still considered natural, yeah right.
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If I got caught cheating and deleting my posts I'd probably stay logged off for a couple years or so.
Totally right! This screams for account deletion.
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If I got caught cheating and deleting my posts I'd probably stay logged off for a couple years or so.
I think that deserves an automatic 10 year ban from getbig myself... :o
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I think that deserves an automatic 10 year ban from getbig myself... :o
do you guys think that the other sqad members, TA and 240 should be tested? It sure seems like they are trying to win this thing at any cost.
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Bast let's discuss your low dose DBol cycle hahaha.
In all seriousness I say let him compete. TA probably can outmuscle him when it comes down to it but who knows how the contest will go. TA knew and didn't say anything cause he believes he can beat Bast regardless. I've seen some pics of TA from the other day that he didn't post and he's 20lbs heavier than Bast and it shows in places.
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hahahahahah Monster Mr. Getbig Controversy a Brewing hahahahahah
Natural Division
...is only for those who have NEVER USED anything that is considered to be UNNATURAL
Good Luck in the Steroid Division
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Bast also stocked up on prohormones before the ban...His almost done with them...Does this mean that he moves on to steriods? Or does he stop training altogether...Does he need the prohormones to train....
The one question that i have that remains unanswered is he one of those dudes who started using drugs and training on the same day? :'(
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Bast let's discuss your low dose DBol cycle hahaha.
In all seriousness I say let him compete. TA probably can outmuscle him when it comes down to it but who knows how the contest will go. TA knew and didn't say anything cause he believes he can beat Bast regardless. I've seen some pics of TA from the other day that he didn't post and he's 20lbs heavier than Bast and it shows in places.
It's obvious that people are feeling threatened by Bast and that's why they're making such a big deal out of this.
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It's obvious that people are feeling threatened by Bast and that's why they're making such a big deal out of this.
no, he tried to cheat. He even deleted his posts. No one likes a cheater.
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Many natural bodybuilding organizations banned prohromes in the beginning....Besides Ask bast if he didn't suffer those atrophied testes, and other sides...with the prohormones..
We should start another thread where we take a vote about his natural status in Mr getbig..
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Many natural bodybuilding organizations banned prohromes in the beginning....Besides Ask bast if he didn't suffer those atrophied testes, and other sides...with the prohormones..
We should start another thread where we take a vote about his natural status in Mr getbig..
it's already pretty clear, if you have ever used you are not natural.
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next thing you know bast is going to say that when he went to the oriental message parlor the lady rubbed some prohormone cream on him..Maybe i should inform ESPN that a local italian body was caught cheating in the mrgetbig contest?
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If I was involved with the contest I would def. feel threatened by Bast. The only way (I'm guessing) you could beat him is standing next to him.
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next thing you know bast is going to say that when he went to the oriental message parlor the lady rubbed some prohormone cream on him..Maybe i should inform ESPN that a local italian body was caught cheating in the mrgetbig contest?
Remember that 14 year old kid(maybe Danny Labonte?) who played in the lttle league world series? Bast is a WAY bigger cheater than him.
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If I was involved with the contest I would def. feel threatened by Bast. The only way (I'm guessing) you could beat him is standing next to him.
Or if you were ate at the prohormone buffet daily like bast...You know the one where they offer all you can eat 4,ad..19-nor, 1-test...And ephedrine and dicana
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If I was involved with the contest I would def. feel threatened by Bast. The only way (I'm guessing) you could beat him is standing next to him.
even if in juicer division? thats where he will be competing, if he gets the balls to do it.
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Many natural bodybuilding organizations banned prohromes in the beginning....Besides Ask bast if he didn't suffer those atrophied testes, and other sides...with the prohormones..
We should start another thread where we take a vote about his natural status in Mr getbig..
Why take a vote? He's not natural that's clear. He used PH and considered Dbol, maybe he did a cycle or two.
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Looks like the jury has spoken ...
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Remember that 14 year old kid(maybe Danny Labonte?) who played in the lttle league world series? Bast is a WAY bigger cheater than him.
Yes, an international competition versus an online bodybuilding forum competition. Did you drink bleach as a child?
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Why take a vote? He's not natural that's clear. He used PH and considered Dbol, maybe he did a cycle or two.
yes Donkeykong it doesn't warrant further attention, when all the facts are out...Unless his training partner gave him a spiked flax seed oil...then we can make an exception... ;D
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Mr getbig is one of the most prestigious online bodybuilding contests out..We need clear rules, or mrgetbig will be just like body for life or something... ;D
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Mr getbig is one of the most prestigious online bodybuilding contests out..We need clear rules, or mrgetbig will be just like body for life or something... ;D
I agree. I am sure Mindspin is taking care of this. Thank god that pos Ollie isn't still running it, he obviously doesn't know what gear is, he doesn't even workout.
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Adonis,
Mike Morris got seriously ill, you ever think maybe thats why he lost the weight and not just cuz he come off steroids...By the way Morris lives and trains not far from me and guest posed in a show here in March and still looks good and he hasnt even been training seriously again for that long....
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Adonis,
Mike Morris got seriously ill, you ever think maybe thats why he lost the weight and not just cuz he come off steroids...By the way Morris lives and trains not far from me and guest posed in a show here in March and still looks good and he hasnt even been training seriously again for that long....
And from what I know first-hand, He was ill from Drug Abuse of steroids. Go figure.
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And from what I know first-hand, He was ill from Drug Abuse of steroids. Go figure.
And?? That isnt the point of your thread, stick to the topic kid...
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bullshit, that's an excuse, your body is a lot stronger than people give it credit for it's their minds that are weak.
Right on.
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And from what I know first-hand, He was ill from Drug Abuse of steroids. Go figure.
Diuretics. He himslef admits it. Get your facts right.
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You tell us since you are not natural
Usually the person who screams the loudest that they are natural , are steroid users.
The gimmick is up dude, we know you are not natural.
Just because you took gear and still look like shit dont blame us for your shitty genetics.
Translation: I take gear, but don't look as good as you, so you must be on. ???
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It's useless talking to some of you guys.
I wrote a post saying I took ph's before on Aug 18th, which I quoted on this thread. So it's obvious I wasn't trying to cover it up.
I could enter any natural competition, pass the drug test, and compete since ph's dont stay in the system. Also they do so little that I believe I have no advantage from taking them in the past.
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It's useless talking to some of you guys.
I wrote a post saying I took ph's before on Aug 18th, which I quoted on this thread. So it's obvious I wasn't trying to cover it up.
I could enter any natural competition, pass the drug test, and compete since ph's dont stay in the system. Also the do so little that I consider myself natural still.
What temporary gains did you get?
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It's useless talking to some of you guys.
I wrote a post saying I took ph's before on Aug 18th, which I quoted on this thread. So it's obvious I wasn't trying to cover it up.
I could enter any natural competition, pass the drug test, and compete since ph's dont stay in the system. Also the do so little that I consider myself natural still.
monster juicers ignorance. You're not natural.
ADMIT IT! ;D
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It's hard to say what gains I got from them because I was gaining weight even before starting them then I took them and continued to gain weight. I was eating like 4500 calories.
So I don't know what weight I would attribute to the ph since I increased my calories and would have gained weight anyway.
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It's hard to say what gains I got from them because I was gaining weight even before starting them then I took them and continued to gain weight. I was eating like 4500 calories.
So I don't know what weight I would attribute to the ph since I increased my calories and would have gained weight anyway.
While what you say may be true Bast, you did in fact take the prohormones because you thought they would give you gains in addition to the gains you were making without them. Prohormones are too expensive to take unless you think they are going to give you some good gains. Unfortunately for you, many natural organizations, as well as some of your competitors here in the Mr. Get Big, consider taking prohormones against the rules to naturals only competition.
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It's hard to say what gains I got from them because I was gaining weight even before starting them then I took them and continued to gain weight. I was eating like 4500 calories.
So I don't know what weight I would attribute to the ph since I increased my calories and would have gained weight anyway.
I thought you had read the rules?
No PH/PS in the natural class for at least a year.
What part of this can't you comprehend?
YIP
Zack
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I thought you had read the rules?
nope
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Bast, have you used any growth or slin in the last year?
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Bast, have you used any growth or slin in the last year?
(http://www.bertdecker.com/photos/uncategorized/mcgwire.jpg)
"I'm not here to discuss the past" ;D
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(http://www.bertdecker.com/photos/uncategorized/mcgwire.jpg)
"I'm not here to discuss the past" ;D
LOL> well played
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-Mr. Natural GetBig
*Anabolic steroids, growth hormone, insulin, diuretics, pro-hormones, clenbuterol, thyroid drugs and/or any other type of illegal ergogenic drugs are not to have been used for a minimum of one year prior to 9/23/06.
*There will be no formal drug test. We'll be going by the honor system.
So....
Whatcha gonna do? Drop out altogether or let the juicers molest you, make you squeal like a pig?
YIP
Zack
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-Mr. Natural GetBig
*Anabolic steroids, growth hormone, insulin, diuretics, pro-hormones, clenbuterol, thyroid drugs and/or any other type of illegal ergogenic drugs are not to have been used for a minimum of one year prior to 9/23/06.
*There will be no formal drug test. We'll be going by the honor system.
So....
Whatcha gonna do? Drop out altogether or let the juicers molest you, make you squeal like a pig?
YIP
Zack
I think that was put on later, because it wasn't on the website before when I looked. What juicers are competing?
I should be damn near contest condition in 4 weeks. If I feel like having someone take pictures then sure I'll submit them.
Which 'juicers' are even competing? I only know of spike.
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I think it's funny that everyone is jumping all over Bast. I would bet money that EVERY FVCKING PERSON IN THE CONTEST (including T/A) has tried PH's. Of course there is no way to prove that, but think about it. Up until a year ago you could walk into Vitamin Shoppe and for 50 bucks buy something that actually WORKED. Let's not bullshit fella's WE ALL FVCKING TRIED E'M
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Some guy at the gym was syaing how "Pros never come off, they are on all year around" this guy basically did the same thing...unreal.. I dont believe that though...
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(http://www.bertdecker.com/photos/uncategorized/mcgwire.jpg)
"I'm not here to discuss the past" ;D
hahahaha, he also said, "steroids is.........is bad".
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Bast almost Broke Mrgetbig natural rules for us bitches... ;D
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Bast is the closest thing to Zeus on Getbig, it's only natural that people try to bring him down. But Bast is a trooper!
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Bast is the closest thing to Zeus on Getbig, it's only natural that people try to bring him down. But Bast is a trooper!
Bast does have a damn good physique...To good to be natural...These are just the facts...
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Remember it's their job so when they stop they stop just like going to work when ya retiered.
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Bast an Egyptian Goddess and protector of cats, women and children. She is Goddess of sunrise. Her goddess duty changed over the years, but, she is also known as a goddess of love, fertility, birth, music and dance.
Also known as the perfumed protector.
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Bast an Egyptian Goddess and protector of cats, women and children. She is Goddess of sunrise. Her goddess duty changed over the years, but, she is also known as a goddess of love, fertility, birth, music and dance.
I don't think anyone gives a flying fuck.
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Only an idiot would say that PH's did nothing.
I've seen firsthand the results you can get from M1t. Potent stuff.
I would never touch it with a pole though. If you are going to do it, do it right ;)
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"I'm not here to talk about the past."
-Mark McGuire
Quite possible, the funniest/dumbest quote I've ever heard. Imagine if someone said this in a murder trial.
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"I'm not here to talk about the past."
-Mark McGuire
Quite possible, the funniest/dumbest quote I've ever heard. Imagine if someone said this in a murder trial.
Croatch what inspired that avatar bro? ;D
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"I'm not here to talk about the past."
-Mark McGuire
Quite possible, the funniest/dumbest quote I've ever heard. Imagine if someone said this in a murder trial.
It wasn't a trial.....it was a bunch of fat,old, out-of-shape politicians trying to
pretend they aren't there because they want your vote.
P.S. It wasn't a trial...
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I think it's funny that everyone is jumping all over Bast. I would bet money that EVERY FVCKING PERSON IN THE CONTEST (including T/A) has tried PH's. Of course there is no way to prove that, but think about it. Up until a year ago you could walk into Vitamin Shoppe and for 50 bucks buy something that actually WORKED. Let's not bullshit fella's WE ALL FVCKING TRIED E'M
I have never even heard of half the shit that is talked about on this board. I know about creatine(which I don't take) and protein powders(love 'em). Bast looks good, but he is not natural from what I understand. And why would anyone delete their posts?
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Croatch what inspired that avatar bro?
The sheer size of my monster head.
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Adonis,
next time you meet up with Coleman, let him know that he is all drugs.
Thanks
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I have never even heard of half the shit that is talked about on this board. I know about creatine(which I don't take) and protein powders(love 'em). Bast looks good, but he is not natural from what I understand. And why would anyone delete their posts?
Bast also started this new account, which I assumed before anything was said about it, was for the purpose of having a low post count.
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Bast also started this new account, which I assumed before anything was said about it, was for the purpose of having a low post count.
Has Mindspin or 240 made any mention/decision of this yet? It's not really fair for lifetime natties to compete against juiceheads imo.
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the criteria is 1 year with no prohormones, I took prohormones 6 months ago, will be 7 next month. So going by there criteria I'm out.
But I could enter any natural show and pass the drug test.
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the criteria is 1 year with no prohormones, I took prohormones 6 months ago, will be 7 next month. So going by there criteria I'm out.
But I could enter any natural show and pass the drug test.
I actually thought you were a nattie? You looked good in your last pics, juicehead or not.
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Guys I have a confession to make.. I took something 2 cycles of............ creatine. But I came off cycle stronger..
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Guys I have a confession to make.. I took something 2 cycles of............ creatine. But I came off cycle stronger..
dont worry you cant tell....
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the criteria is 1 year with no prohormones, I took prohormones 6 months ago, will be 7 next month. So going by there criteria I'm out.
But I could enter any natural show and pass the drug test.
Bast how could you...Like they say on Bodybuilding.com all you need is whey a muti and creatine...and you will grow..
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Heavy prohormone users are definitely not "natural". Taking drugs that significantly raise your natural testosterone levels goes against the entire concept of being natural. I don't care if they're less effective than regular steroids. You're either drug free or you aren't. You can't have it both ways.
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Heavy prohormone users are definitely not "natural". Taking drugs that significantly raise your natural testosterone levels goes against the entire concept of being natural. I don't care if they're less effective than regular steroids. You're either drug free or you aren't. You can't have it both ways.
What about if you took nolvadex, which caused your testosterone levels to go from low normal levels to normal levels (hypothetically). Nolvadex tricks your brain into causing your testes to make more testosterone by blocking the negative feedback that estrogen has on your brain. Is that cheating? I mean it's your own balls making the test, as instructed by your pituitary gland in the brain.
Apparently tribulus, eurycoma, and other herbal shit increases test levels, is this cheating?
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Apparently tribulus, eurycoma, and other herbal shit increases test levels, is this cheating?
only if you are f*cking someone besides your girlfriend and taking that stuff
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What about if you took nolvadex, which caused your testosterone levels to go from low normal levels to normal levels (hypothetically). Nolvadex tricks your brain into causing your testes to make more testosterone by blocking the negative feedback that estrogen has on your brain. Is that cheating? I mean it's your own balls making the test, as instructed by your pituitary gland in the brain.
Apparently tribulus, eurycoma, and other herbal shit increases test levels, is this cheating?
Tribulus and the likes are not able to increase your test levels to a tenfold of it's normal output, like artificial hormones do.
Tribulus does nothing for a healthy 20 year old, PH and steroids do a lot.
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I was more interested in the opinion on nolvadex, I just added the tribulus line as a lame comparison. :)
Lets say nolvadex took you from 300ng/dl testosterone level to 600ng/dl (normal range for males being 300 to 900ng/dl).
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I was more interested in the opinion on nolvadex, I just added the tribulus line as a lame comparison. :)
Lets say nolvadex took you from 300ng/dl testosterone level to 600ng/dl (normal range for males being 300 to 900ng/dl).
To me, even nolvadex would be not considered natural. But that's my opinion.
I consider it wrong to take medication to up my test levels.
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Ok, lets complicate things a little. Lets say at 20 years of age you had a test level of 600. Ten years later due to a stressful lifestyle (rec drug and alcohol use, stressful job, bouts of depression) your levels have dropped to 300 because the stress has screwed up your endocrine system function. You do a couple of 'cycles' of nolvadex (under doctors supervision) which brings you back to a level of 600. A year has past since you have last done nolvadex and you are still running under your own steam at 600. You could still be considered natural.
Though I agree with you that running nolvadex non stop year round would def be unnatural.
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Ok, lets complicate things a little. Lets say at 20 years of age you had a test level of 600. Ten years later due to a stressful lifestyle (rec drug and alcohol use, stressful job, bouts of depression) your levels have dropped to 300 because the stress has screwed up your endocrine system function. You do a couple of 'cycles' of nolvadex (under doctors supervision) which brings you back to a level of 600. A year has past since you have last done nolvadex and you are still running under your own steam at 600. You could still be considered natural.
Though I agree with you that running nolvadex non stop year round would def be unnatural.
Not a lifetime natural anymore. Not that i'm all against HRT or something like that, but i would not consider you a lifetime natural anymore.
It would be the same if you do just one cycle of test. ;)
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No, the difference is a cycle of test will increase your test levels to far far beyond what you can acheive naturally. EG a 500mg injection of testosterone will result in a 3000ng/dl blood test reading, a far cry from the male natural average of 600.
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No, the difference is a cycle of test will increase your test levels to far far beyond what you can acheive naturally. EG a 500mg injection of testosterone will result in a 3000ng/dl blood test reading, a far cry from the male natural average of 600.
I know. But i think that it's the same in regarding that you put your body to a medication that's not necessary.
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Not a lifetime natural anymore. Not that i'm all against HRT or something like that, but i would not consider you a lifetime natural anymore.
It would be the same if you do just one cycle of test. ;)
That's a pretty high standard. If someone has low test levels and uses OTC supplements (6-OXO, Novedex XT, Trib) to bring them up a little I would still consider them a natty. To me a non natty TODAY that wasn't taking actual gear would be on Halodrol 50, superdrol and shit like that, things that are clearly meant to put muscle on you. Also from what I understand you can still get M1T if you know where to look.
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That's a pretty high standard. If someone has low test levels and uses OTC supplements (6-OXO, Novedex XT, Trib) to bring them up a little I would still consider them a natty. To me a non natty TODAY that wasn't taking actual gear would be on Halodrol 50, superdrol and shit like that, things that are clearly meant to put muscle on you. Also from what I understand you can still get M1T if you know where to look.
Yup, i always have high standards. ;D
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the criteria is 1 year with no prohormones, I took prohormones 6 months ago, will be 7 next month. So going by there criteria I'm out.
But I could enter any natural show and pass the drug test.
What rules will apply this year?
-Hedge
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it fuck with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
WELL I AM OFF HAVE BEEN SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER...AND NO TO ALL THE ABOVE....I FEL GREAT....WIEGH 260 RIGHT NOW ...STILL TRAIN HARD IF NOT HARDER..AS I DONT FEEL THAT SHITTY SICK FEELING WHEN ON SHIT...........NO GRANTED I WILL GO BACKON COME CONTEST TIME :( BUT TILL THEN I FEEL GREAT....I WISH THEY WOULD DRUG TEST ALL SHOWS.....I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL
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WELL I AM OFF HAVE BEEN SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER...AND NO TO ALL THE ABOVE....I FEL GREAT....WIEGH 260 RIGHT NOW ...STILL TRAIN HARD IF NOT HARDER..AS I DONT FEEL THAT SHITTY SICK FEELING WHEN ON SHIT...........NO GRANTED I WILL GO BACKON COME CONTEST TIME :( BUT TILL THEN I FEEL GREAT....I WISH THEY WOULD DRUG TEST ALL SHOWS.....I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL
yeah, but Lee your a genentic freak...not the avg. roider mcroiderson..
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WELL I AM OFF HAVE BEEN SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER...AND NO TO ALL THE ABOVE....I FEL GREAT....WIEGH 260 RIGHT NOW ...STILL TRAIN HARD IF NOT HARDER..AS I DONT FEEL THAT SHITTY SICK FEELING WHEN ON SHIT...........NO GRANTED I WILL GO BACKON COME CONTEST TIME :( BUT TILL THEN I FEEL GREAT....I WISH THEY WOULD DRUG TEST ALL SHOWS.....I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL
It's fairly easy getting rid of roids out of your body, or to mask it with chemicals. Look at the tennis players for example.
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it fuck with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
Do you know what i find interesting? its that an border line crack head look a like person suck as you can call yourself bodybuilder ??? ??? ???
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I am still in awe of how many "naturals" are obsessed with people that chose to use AAS...I mean damn, why are many them soo obsessed with juicers??? I hear this shit all the time in the gym and I just laugh at these guys...You never hear a bunch of guys that use AAS in the gym sitting around discussing naturals and bitching about them LoL....Envy/jealousy is a quality most naturals seem to have about AAS users....
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WELL I AM OFF HAVE BEEN SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER...AND NO TO ALL THE ABOVE....I FEL GREAT....WIEGH 260 RIGHT NOW ...STILL TRAIN HARD IF NOT HARDER..AS I DONT FEEL THAT SHITTY SICK FEELING WHEN ON SHIT...........NO GRANTED I WILL GO BACKON COME CONTEST TIME :( BUT TILL THEN I FEEL GREAT....I WISH THEY WOULD DRUG TEST ALL SHOWS.....I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL
haha lee the lies u utter.
u know very well they will never drug test all shows for obvious reasons. if they did, you would be 150pounds at your 5'4.
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Lee has no reason to lie. Unlike liars, his stories never change. And his physique never dramatically differs. He eats big and gets big off-season and then turns it on, sucks it up, and gets shredded for a show.
Again, we're talking about a freak who looked better at 13 than most look at 31. The guy turned pro at 21. When was the last time that happened? Oh yeah, it was when Lee Priest did it.
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I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.
Is it a rude awakening? Do you feel awful? Are you depressed? Does it fuck with your head? Can you still even bring yourself to train? Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?
I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.
Go visit Titus and ask him. He is probably the best candidate for this question.
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WELL I AM OFF HAVE BEEN SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER...AND NO TO ALL THE ABOVE....I FEL GREAT....WIEGH 260 RIGHT NOW ...STILL TRAIN HARD IF NOT HARDER..AS I DONT FEEL THAT SHITTY SICK FEELING WHEN ON SHIT...........NO GRANTED I WILL GO BACKON COME CONTEST TIME :( BUT TILL THEN I FEEL GREAT....I WISH THEY WOULD DRUG TEST ALL SHOWS.....I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL
Nine months off isn't too much, but I could still see you competing at 170 completely drug free at your height, which is still pretty big.
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I came off for 3 years from 2001 to 2004....no, i did not cut the dose down, I was on zero drugs.
I also didn't touch a weight from from november 2001 to january of 2003. It was tough, but after 6 months i was ok, and yea it played with my head...but i wasnt training, so it wasnt all that hard....
I've been off for about a year and a half and still have a hard time getting motivated to train, it's tougher when your our age, I know your about 40 and I'll be 45 in Aug............it's time for a change :D
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I've been off for about a year and a half and still have a hard time getting motivated to train, it's tougher when your our age, I know your about 40 and I'll be 45 in Aug............it's time for a change Cheesy
Just enjoy being middle aged. Training natural isn't for everyone. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.
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I've been off for about a year and a half and still have a hard time getting motivated to train, it's tougher when your our age, I know your about 40 and I'll be 45 in Aug............it's time for a change :D
You're not off, you're on HRT ;D
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You're not off, you're on HRT ;D
No, I've been totally off... zip, zilch, nada!
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Lee has no reason to lie. Unlike liars, his stories never change. And his physique never dramatically differs. He eats big and gets big off-season and then turns it on, sucks it up, and gets shredded for a show.
Again, we're talking about a freak who looked better at 13 than most look at 31. The guy turned pro at 21. When was the last time that happened? Oh yeah, it was when Lee Priest did it.
no reason to lie?? how abt the time he said he will quit pdi to go back ifbb? or the time he said he would retire? or the time he said he will guest pose in iffb competitions? or the time he said he will sue ifbb but didnt? ... mr expert ed?
he might be special in terms of muscle growth, but i seriously doubt his bs claims. only he himself knows thats for sure
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Once you start messing with drugs, it is over... Look at Arnold, not even his incredible iron willpower saved him when he quit bodybuilding, he looks like a sack of potatoes. There is nothing he can do about it. He still works out 2 times a day, and it doesn't do anything for his physique any more. The drugs took what ever natural healthy physique, abilities and strength he had. It is the same for everyone. It is very hard to get in shape again once going natural after relying on drugs for dieting or building muscles. It REALLY does ruin you. I hope kids these days realize it. I wouldn't even mess with OTC drugs like bronkaid that GH15 so happily recommend. You just won't be the same anymore afterwords.
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Once you start messing with drugs, it is over... Look at Arnold, not even his incredible iron willpower saved him when he quit bodybuilding, he looks like a sack of potatoes. There is nothing he can do about it. He still works out 2 times a day, and it doesn't do anything for his physique any more. The drugs took what ever natural healthy physique, abilities and strength he had. It is the same for everyone. It is very hard to get in shape again once going natural after relying on drugs for dieting or building muscles. It REALLY does ruin you. I hope kids these days realize it. I wouldn't even mess with OTC drugs like bronkaid that GH15 so happily recommend. You just won't be the same anymore afterwords.
i think Arnold looks better than most 60 year olds
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i think Arnold looks better than most 60 year olds
100 times better
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Lee in all seriousness you must be huge as fuck at 260 lbs
do you have a recent pic ?
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Lee in all seriousness you must be huge as fuck at 260 lbs
do you have a recent pic ?
I AM OK STILL SEE ABS.......ARMS 22 FACE BLOATED :) NAH NOT TO BAD.....
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hey will the PDI have a show in canada ?
like montreal or toronto, something like this ?
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hey will the PDI have a show in canada ?
like montreal or toronto, something like this ?
Sorry pdi is out of business :'(
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Sorry pdi is out of business :'(
lol