When PROS COME OFF DRUGS.

[The True Adonis]

I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.

Is it a rude awakening?  Do you feel awful?  Are you depressed?  Does it fuck with your head?  Can you still even bring yourself to train?  Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?

I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.

[HUGEPECS]

I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.

Is it a rude awakening?  Do you feel awful?  Are you depressed?  Does it f**k with your head?  Can you still even bring yourself to train?  Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?

I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.

They become superman with a crytonite up their ass

[gatrainer]

I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.

Is it a rude awakening?  Do you feel awful?  Are you depressed?  Does it f**k with your head?  Can you still even bring yourself to train?  Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?

I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.

why are you so obsessed with this issue?

[Bluto]

im sure it must suck not to be able to train as hard/much as when on.
they have to resort to pussy training like you

[DK II]

I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.

Is it a rude awakening?  Do you feel awful?  Are you depressed?  Does it f**k with your head?  Can you still even bring yourself to train?  Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?

I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.

hahah, you don't really believe Shawn is off, do you?

[sgt. d]

I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.

Is it a rude awakening?  Do you feel awful?  Are you depressed?  Does it f**k with your head?  Can you still even bring yourself to train?  Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?

I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.

You tell us since you are not natural

Usually the person who screams the loudest that they are natural , are steroid users.

The gimmick is up dude, we know you are not natural.

Just because you took gear and still look like shit dont blame us for your shitty genetics.

[gatrainer]

hahah, you don't really believe Shawn is off, do you?

HRT....

[Spike]

Shawns got $$ tho....shiz if I had illions in the bank I wouldnt give a shit about getting bigger most guys go pro for the money not to get big and stay that way forever

watch BFTO 01'----he's got a Lambo, Benz, and the best house out of all those guys
including Ron with his home gym...whick he didnt have then

[The True Adonis]

why are you so obsessed with this issue?

What got me thinking was Shawn Rays current waist size.

Perhaps he let himself go because he forgot how it was to be natural and just gave up.

It seems like as soon as he stopped with drugs he never set foot in the gym again, and for some reason is proud of that.

There has to be more reason than that.  Most people who go to the gym are not bodybuilders and do it for health reasons or to at least keep a decent appearance.

He just willfully let himself go.  I am wondering why?  Same thing with Mike Morris.

It does not take days and days in the gym to at least be presentable.  They should know that.  It is their right to just give up, but I`d like to know their experience with it all.

[VGalanti]

I`d like to hear a Pros take on the way he feels and thinks when he comes off of drugs completely.

Is it a rude awakening?  Do you feel awful?  Are you depressed?  Does it f**k with your head?  Can you still even bring yourself to train?  Do you then realize its harder to stay lean as opposed to when on drugs?

I`d like to hear from Shawn Ray or anyone for that matter.

I came off for 3 years from 2001 to 2004....no, i did not cut the dose down, I was on zero drugs.
I also didn't touch a weight from from november 2001 to january of 2003. It was tough, but after 6 months i was ok, and yea it played with my head...but i wasnt training, so it wasnt all that hard....

[The True Adonis]

I came off for 3 years from 2001 to 2004....no, i did not cut the dose down, I was on zero drugs.
I also didn't touch a weight from from november 2001 to january of 2003. It was tough, but after 6 months i was ok, and yea it played with my head...but i wasnt training, so it wasnt all that hard....

Tell us about the strength difference.

[DK II]

HRT....

if you'd call 250mg a week at least hrt, maybe. 

[Bluto]

What got me thinking was Shawn Rays current waist size.

Perhaps he let himself go because he forgot how it was to be natural and just gave up.

It seems like as soon as he stopped with drugs he never set foot in the gym again, and for some reason is proud of that.

There has to be more reason than that.  Most people who go to the gym are not bodybuilders and do it for health reasons or to at least keep a decent appearance.

He just willfully let himself go.  I am wondering why?  Same thing with Mike Morris.

It does not take days and days in the gym to at least be presentable.  They should know that.  It is their right to just give up, but I`d like to know their experience with it all.

so whats that gotta do with steroids? a lot of former athletes put on weight when they quit training

[Palpatine Q]

What got me thinking was Shawn Rays current waist size.

Perhaps he let himself go because he forgot how it was to be natural and just gave up.

It seems like as soon as he stopped with drugs he never set foot in the gym again, and for some reason is proud of that.

There has to be more reason than that.  Most people who go to the gym are not bodybuilders and do it for health reasons or to at least keep a decent appearance.

He just willfully let himself go.  I am wondering why?  Same thing with Mike Morris.

It does not take days and days in the gym to at least be presentable.  They should know that.  It is their right to just give up, but I`d like to know their experience with it all.

It's the all or nothing mentality. I guess once youv'e been to the mountaintop you can't accept anything else, so why waste the effort. I know plenty of dudes that simply won't train clean. I have no sympathy for these twats cuz if they wouldn't have taken the easy way out, they probably would have built a decent physique by now and training would be gratifying. Being big and natural is great like me.

[The True Adonis]

so whats that gotta do with steroids? a lot of former athletes put on weight when they quit training

There has to be a reason why most everyone who uses steroids for long periods of time, just let themselves go completely.

It HAS EVERYTHING to do with the drugs...From just not being able to hack it naturally to not knowing how to eat or train properly when not on drugs.  You can obviously get away with a whole lot of shit eating and trainign when on drugs.  It must be a rude awakening when going natural.

[sgt. d]

You tell us since you are not natural

Usually the person who screams the loudest that they are natural , are steroid users.

The gimmick is up dude, we know you are not natural.

Just because you took gear and still look like shit dont blame us for your shitty genetics.

[HUGEPECS]

Flex did say that when he retires, he has no intentions to go near a gym and train as hard as he used to

[gatrainer]

if you'd call 250mg a week at least hrt, maybe. 

Depends on your Doc!!

[VGalanti]

Tell us about the strength difference.

it wasnt a big shock when i started training again, i was trying to stay lightheavy for a few years...so i was only "on" 16 weeks before a show, never during the offseason....so i was used to never getting strong from a cycle, just helping for the shows.
i always took nutrition and supplements very serious, and that is what i believed in....the drugs just helped in the end, i never built my body thinking this or that drug will be the end result.

[HUGEPECS]

we (bodybuilders) are not guinea pigs for christ sake

[Bluto]

There has to be a reason why most everyone who uses steroids for long periods of time, just let themselves go completely.

It HAS EVERYTHING to do with the drugs...From just not being able to hack it naturally to not knowing how to eat or train properly when not on drugs.  You can obviously get away with a whole lot of shit eating and trainign when on drugs.  It must be a rude awakening when going natural.

not it got nothing to do with drugs because this is as common in non-steroids sports as in bodybuilding. it's got more to do with people after 30's and 40's put on weight easier, it's about people that been working out 24-7 wants a break, how will you feel in 20 years from now going to the gym? you dont know. maybe you'll be a fat fuck eating donuts. a lot of people stop working out and eats the same so they put on weight.

[Palpatine Q]

Flex did say that when he retires, he has no intentions to go near a gym and train as hard as he used to

That surprised me when I heard it. I always assumed these guys were gym rats just like me, y'now iron in the blood and all that shit.

[gatrainer]

That surprised me when I heard it. I always assumed these guys were gym rats just like me, y'now iron in the blood and all that shit.

guess they built up their name and fame enough to keep them going

[The True Adonis]

guess they built up their name and fame enough to keep them going

I just find it interesting that virtually ALL of the Natural Champions of yesteryear, such as Grimek,Reeves, Lallane etc...  all continued to train.

While they may not have gone nearly as much, they surely did not let themselves just go.  They were able to always look the part even when not training hard.

[gatrainer]

I just find it interesting that virtually ALL of the Natural Champions of yesteryear, such as Grimek,Reeves, Lallane etc...  all continued to train.

While they may not have gone nearly as much, they surely did not let themselves just go.  They were able to always look the part even when not training hard.

Jack Lallane is a known synthol user....