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I heard about this about a week ago......man, the left are really screwed up when they come up with crap like this............
http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/09/01/1792237-sun.html
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They say it isn't an attack on Bush. Than what the heck is it? Its nuts.
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How long before jaguar is on here to defend this?
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How long before jaguar is on here to defend this?
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it's too early in the day for vampyra to log on.
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it's too early in the day for vampyra to log on.
hahahah
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That's wrong. I don't follow with that.
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From studying the evidence of that day very closely, i know that some members of the Bush admin definitely knew that 911 was going to happen, and worked evry hard to short-circuit the investigatino.
however, I think that movie is in poor taste and out of bounds.
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I know most of you can't stand Rush, but he's been on this for two days now blasting the movie and it's defenders. It really is a sobering reminder of how much people hate Bush and would do ANYTHING to discredit him.....this was waaaaay over the line!
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Has Rush ever discussed the 911 Truth movment (people calling for a new investigation of all the recent facts which have come to light?)
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Zealots always view everything in black or white.
Either they believe a guy like Rush or Hillary or John Kerry or whoever is wrong on all accounts.
Or they will believe he/she always is right.
Frightening.
BTW, this movie is obviously nothing I think is a good thing.
However, I support their right to be wrong and express it.
YIP
Zack
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it's too early in the day for vampyra to log on.
haaaaa, man that was so wrong. lol! ;D
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However, I support their right to be wrong and express it.
What he said.
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It is what it is:
A bid to make money from the Hatred of Bush. NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS.
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I can't say I agree with this film..... But, in a dramitic sense has this ever been done... has anyone ever made a movie like this, if so what happened to the producer of the film.... is this man an american..... I F8cking hate bush don't kill the man though.... walk straight up to the white house and drag his ass out of office and let the people take turns sh*ting on him....like he does to us everyday.....that would be rightful payback......F*CK BUSH......
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I know most of you can't stand Rush, but he's been on this for two days now blasting the movie and it's defenders. It really is a sobering reminder of how much people hate Bush and would do ANYTHING to discredit him.....this was waaaaay over the line!
Yea, as waaaaay over the line as you blaming, "the left" for this. Everyone I've talked to "on the left" this morning, are dead set against this film.
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Yea, as waaaaay over the line as you blaming, "the left" for this. Everyone I've talked to "on the left" this morning, are dead set against this film.
Yeah, as if someone from the right would make a film like this ::)!!
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Yeah, as if someone from the right would make a film like this ::)!!
I never said he/they were not politically aligned left... I don't know, but you're blaming "the left" for what a few have done here... That's a stupid game you're trying to play and you know it..... Let's just take Tim Mcvey and play that game... ::) I wouldn't do that... But apparently you do...
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Int... you are such a black and white thinker.... Either Or... What a waste of a brain... I mean one could get by with your analytical approach using 2 fucking brain cells, a storage bin and trash can. :P
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Has Rush ever discussed the 911 Truth movment (people calling for a new investigation of all the recent facts which have come to light?)
HaHa Truth HaHa
Who's Truth? Yours.
HaHa
Glad to see that you have now taken to calling your conspiracy plot truth.
Carry on.
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Int... you are such a black and white thinker.... Either Or... What a waste of a brain... I mean one could get by with your analytical approach using 2 fucking brain cells, a storage bin and trash can. :P
What kind of analytical thinking does it really take when all the left does is hate on Bush and come up with crap like this movie...my guess it's using less than 2 brain cells. They seem to be opposed to the war but they have no problem with mock assassination attemps and wishing harm to the opposing party!
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From studying the evidence of that day very closely, i know that some members of the Bush admin definitely knew that 911 was going to happen, and worked evry hard to short-circuit the investigatino.
however, I think that movie is in poor taste and out of bounds.
do u really bwlieve that ws made by someone thats anti bush....
look at the effect its having...
common..we r smarter than that ::)....
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What kind of analytical thinking does it really take when all the left does is hate on Bush and come up with crap like this movie...my guess it's using less than 2 brain cells. They seem to be opposed to the war but they have no problem with mock assassination attemps and wishing harm to the opposing party!
You are missing the point and using words that lead you to a miss-truth.
In the end (not neccessarily in the begining when more inspiration is involved) Film making is about MONEY. When there is a market for a politically charged movie then someone always makes one and it gets publicity and in turn makes money.
It's much less about a political staement from those who subcribe to a particular ideology than it is a bid to make money.
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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060829/lakehead_campaign_060829/20060829/ (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060829/lakehead_campaign_060829/20060829/)
Ontario university mocks Bush in new campaign
Updated Tue. Aug. 29 2006 11:21 PM ET
CTV.ca News Staff
A small northern Ontario university has sparked controversy by launching an edgy new recruitment campaign that mocks U.S. President George Bush and his Ivy League alma mater.
Dubbed "Yale Shmale," the $100,000 crusade features a goofy image of Bush 'Yale University, Class of 1968' on posters that will be plastered across Toronto in a bid to attract potential new students.
As well as rolling out a series of posters, Lakehead University also took the campaign to its website, where readers are informed that "graduating from an Ivy League university doesn't necessarily mean you're smart."
The site then directs readers to a page that says: "There are universities and then there are universities. So let's not beat around the bush. Lakehead is different."
Lakehead president and vice-chancellor Fred Gilbert said the "tongue-in-cheek" campaign by Toronto advertising agency McLellan was designed to lure Toronto students to the Thunder Bay school.
The website received more than 7,000 hits on Monday, Gilbert said, and online comments had been 95 per cent positive.
However, Gilbert, who said around 60 of the "Yale Shmale" posters will be mounted around the city, admits not everyone is happy about the new campaign.
Gilbert said the university, which has 7,600 students, had received e-mails which were "running in the opposite direction," which was a concern.
Yale reaction
Yale is not impressed with Lakehead's new marketing scheme either.
"We don't approve of other organizations using the Yale trademark," a spokeswoman for the respected Connecticut university, from which Bush graduated in 1968, told the Toronto Star Monday.
Some of Lakehead's students also considered the campaign inappropriate, Gilbert acknowledged, while the president of Lakehead's student union said it lacked class.
"It strikes me as being very repugnant," union president Isabelle Poniatowski told Reuters. "Lakehead has so many positive attributes that you could really sell to people that live down south."
Meanwhile, although Lakehead's students may have expressed their feelings about the campaign, the reaction of the university's target audience remains to be seen.
Gilbert says if the reaction in Toronto is as negative as the reaction on the university's campus, the campaign will be dropped.
The Lakehead campaign comes hot on the heels of a similar promotion that also poked fun at Bush's less-than-cerebral reputation.
Last month, simplyaudiobooks.ca, an audio book rental service, plastered posters and billboards around Toronto featuring a photograph of Bush and the words: "Don't Read Enough? Rent 10,000 books on tape/CD."
The Oakville, Ont.-based company, says the Bush billboards have been met with a positive response and that sales are up 100 per cent.
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I would compare left-wing extremists who make movies like this to the right-wing neoconservatives who insist on going to 3 wars at once.
Neither represent the views of most of their party. I guarantee that 9 out of 10 dems will say the movie is a horrible concept. I am fairly sure that 9 out of 10 repubs would say that invading Iran for their UN violation while still battling Afghan and Iraq is insane. (keep in mind we're tlaking real people, not elected officials)
Tote: the extreme left-wingers (whose movie concept is terrible BTW) don't actually kill anyone. The policy of the neocons (whether you believe it is justified or not) has left tens or hundreds of thousands dead.
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more and more countries are getting on the ultra-violent american doomsday scenario...
Dirty Bombs, Toxic Clouds, Martial Law and Extermination Squads Right At Your Door
Steve Watson / Infowars | September 1 2006
Due to be released here in the UK 3 days before the 5 year anniversary of 9/11 is a film that depicts massive terror attacks in downtown LA involving multiple dirty bombs that engulf the city in toxic clouds.
Right At Your Door, written and directed by Chris Gorak and starring Rory Cochrane, is a relatively low budget Independent thriller that was snapped up by UK company Lionsgate and will be mass distributed this September. The film will be released in the US sometime in 2007.
According to the film's official website the synopsis is thus:
After multiple dirty bombs are detonated, spreading deadly toxic ash across Los Angeles, Brad (Rory Cochrane) inadvertently quarantines his wife, Lexi (Mary McCormack) outside their new home by safely sealing himself inside. With the city under siege and Martial Law in affect, Brad and Lexi struggle to survive with little supply, limited time and no information—all the while separated by thin doors and thinner sheets of plastic. When "help" finally does arrive, it appears to be anything but.
From what we can gather the "help" referred to consists of squads of toxic suit wearing troops and cops that cuff and take away contaminated survivors in unmarked black vans. Cochrane's character even suggests that he has seen cops on the streets exterminating survivors by shooting them in the head.
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all the left does is hate on Bush
It's not just the left anymore. 8)
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I would compare left-wing extremists who make movies like this to the right-wing neoconservatives who insist on going to 3 wars at once.
Neither represent the views of most of their party. I guarantee that 9 out of 10 dems will say the movie is a horrible concept. I am fairly sure that 9 out of 10 repubs would say that invading Iran for their UN violation while still battling Afghan and Iraq is insane. (keep in mind we're tlaking real people, not elected officials)
Tote: the extreme left-wingers (whose movie concept is terrible BTW) don't actually kill anyone. The policy of the neocons (whether you believe it is justified or not) has left tens or hundreds of thousands dead.
Quick question.....are you in favor of hitting them before they hit us?
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Quick question.....are you in favor of hitting them before they hit us?
I'm not in favor of pre-emptive aggression unless armies are massing along our borders.
I know you was asking 240, but i responded anyway.
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I'm not in favor of pre-emptive aggression unless armies are massing along our borders.
I kinda doubt that would ever happen. So you think we shouldn't have gone after the people responsible for the 9/11 attack? (Rob, no conspiracy therories on this question please)
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I'm not in favor of pre-emptive aggression unless armies are massing along our borders.
I know you was asking 240, but i responded anyway.
yeah, 'cause the Mexicans and Canadians are the ones who hate us . . .
do you travel abroad much, Ozmo?
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I kinda doubt that would ever happen. So you think we shouldn't have gone after the people responsible for the 9/11 attack? (Rob, no conspiracy therories on this question please)
I've answer this for you several times. Of Course. Clobbering (invading Afghnistan) Al Queda who was directly supported by the Taliban who was in charge of Afghanistan was an appropiate response that made perfect sense and allowed us quite a few benefits strategically allowing us to have a larger millitary presence in the area with full justification.
But we got too greedy after wards.
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btw, the flick is not about Bush being assassinated. It's about what would happen, i.e. terrorism part 2, if he was.
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I've answer this for you several times. Of Course. Clobbering (invading Afghnistan) Al Queda who was directly supported by the Taliban who was in charge of Afghanistan was an appropiate response that made perfect sense and allowed us quite a few benefits strategically allowing us to have a larger millitary presence in the area with full justification.
But we got too greedy after wards.
And you honestly believe that Iraq does have ANY ties with terrorism whatsoever even though Al Queda training facilities were found?
Also, do you think that the war in Iraq was a pre-emptive war?
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yeah, 'cause the Mexicans and Canadians are the ones who hate us . . .
do you travel abroad much, Ozmo?
Not in the last fews years since 9/11. Mexicans and Canadians for the most part don;t hate us i believe, not like people int he middle east. I have about 20 relatives living in Canada and about 20 acquaintances and friends who are Canadians they never have mentionad hate for americans.
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btw, the flick is not about Bush being assassinated. It's about what would happen, i.e. terrorism part 2, if he was.
They just happend use Bush's likeness ::)!
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Not in the last fews years since 9/11. Mexicans and Canadians for the most part don;t hate us i believe, not like people int he middle east. I have about 20 relatives living in Canada and about 20 acquaintances and friends who are Canadians they never have mentionad hate for americans.
So Jag is the only one :P??
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Quick question.....are you in favor of hitting them before they hit us?
If we KNOW they want to hit us, and they have the capability, then I am fine with it.
But if the guy is begging for a debate with the TV world, there isn't evidence of weaponized anything, and the only source is a president dying for war, then No.
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We never got the man responsible for 9/11. Remember?!?
C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1309665600&en=3779ed9b98bb9d22&ei=5088
Don't worry though, we captured Saddam Hussein and are now way safer from Terrorism..... HAHAHAH
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Not in the last fews years since 9/11. Mexicans and Canadians for the most part don;t hate us i believe, not like people int he middle east. I have about 20 relatives living in Canada and about 20 acquaintances and friends who are Canadians they never have mentionad hate for americans.
I was being sarcastic about canadians and mexicans--for all intents and purposes, they are our allies. democratic (mexico relatively), capitalist, christian . . .
the real threat is from out there in the Middle East and other nations who don't share our values. we can go out there and try to neutralize them, or we can spend the hundreds of billions of dollars on strengthening our own borders so that they can't attack us here. unfortunately, we seem to be doing neither job very well right now.
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We never got the man responsible for 9/11. Remember?!?
C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1309665600&en=3779ed9b98bb9d22&ei=5088
Don't worry though, we captured Saddam Hussein and are now way safer from Terrorism..... HAHAHAH
We've caught damn near everyone but Bin Laden!
Can you please quote from someone other than the NY Times, maybe someone more credible?
Hope this helps!
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I kinda doubt that would ever happen. So you think we shouldn't have gone after the people responsible for the 9/11 attack? (Rob, no conspiracy therories on this question please)
Absolutely. Those who planned, executed, allowed, and prevented the full investigation of the vents of 911 should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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the real threat is from out there in the Middle East and other nations who don't share our values.
There a threat cause they don't share our values?
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202035,00.html
NEW YORK — The CIA says efforts to hunt down Usama bin Laden are as strong as ever, despite a report that the agency has shut down a unit that hunted for the Al Qaeda leader and his top lieutenants.
The New York Times reports the unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and two dozen analysts were reassigned within the CIA Counterterrorist Center.
Intelligence officials said the realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, as well as a growing concern about Al Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.
The recent book "Ghost Wars" says some in the CIA were uncomfortable with the unit, saying its zeal for capturing bin Laden took on a cult-like atmosphere.
Agency officials said that tracking bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened.
"This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus," CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise Dyck told the paper.
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And you honestly believe that Iraq does have ANY ties with terrorism whatsoever even though Al Queda training facilities were found?
Also, do you think that the war in Iraq was a pre-emptive war?
Training facilities were found. Yes. (you'd find the same facillites in many other countries right now and back then too) But you have to look at the situtation of that country prior to us invading it.
- Sadaam had an iron grip on the country. Anyone who tried to do even a 10th of what's going on there now and he'd have squashed them quickly and ruthlessly. Now look at what's happening there? we are hunker down and troops are dying every day.
- Sadaam wasn't going to do anything to jepordize his power base becuase he knew we were itching for a fight. So he wouldn't have allowed Al-Queda to operate there no where near the way it is operating RIGHT NOW. the only why Al-Queda could have exsisted was to the level he could have justified his inabillity to control them to the US. that's all. which would have been very very little.
So attacking them was purely about something else using the WMD and Terrorist as the justification to the American public.
Was our invasion pre-emptive? We attacked them, and invaded their country. Have we in our history ever done somethinglike that? To me, we always get hit first and then beat the shit out them afterwards. What we did there to me is Un-American.
You ever read "Art of War?" You should. You'll see that we aren't using a very sound stratagy there form the beggining to now.
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Absolutely. Those who planned, executed, allowed, and prevented the full investigation of the events of 911 should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
That being said...
Nineteen arab men were involved.
Condi had prior knowledge of plane trouble that morning.
Pentagon brass all cancelled their flights that morning.
Let's start moving down the list of those who need to be investigated!
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That being said...
Nineteen arab men were involved.
Condi had prior knowledge of plane trouble that morning.
Pentagon brass all cancelled their flights that morning.
Let's start moving down the list of those who need to be investigated!
Ok, now apply what condiditons would have to exsists for these things to happen..... and then determine if any of them are too unlikely.
For example:
What is the intellengence protocol that supplies Condi with daily intellegence information. Who is invovled and how many people are involved.
Who would know she knew if she did in fact know?
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There a threat cause they don't share our values?
ever been to the Middle East, Turkey . . . Pakistan, India?
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Ok, now apply what condiditons would have to exsists for these things to happen..... and then determine if any of them are too unlikely.
For example:
What is the intellengence protocol that supplies Condi with daily intellegence information. Who is invovled and how many people are involved.
Who would know she knew if she did in fact know?
nothing is too unlikely in this world, my friend. You can never put anything past anyone. hitler exterminated 6 million people, right? Stalin killed 20+ M, right?
Sacrificing 3000 is a drop in the bucket for some people, if it means gaining cntrol over alarger fraction of the world's most precious resource
Let's ask condi how she knew to tell Willie brown not to fly. Then let's ask whoever she points to.
Let's ask the pentagon joint chiefs of staff how they knew not to fly the next morning. who told them? Why? Details, please.
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Was our invasion pre-emptive? We attacked them, and invaded their country. Have we in our history ever done somethinglike that? To me, we always get hit first and then beat the shit out them afterwards. What we did there to me is Un-American.
Vietnam, Cuba (Bay of Pigs), Grenada, Panama, Canada (1812), Spanish American War.
I am sure there are others.
Iraq seems pretty American to me.
Carry on.
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Vietnam, Cuba (Bay of Pigs), Grenada, Panama, Canada (1812), Spanish American War.
I am sure there are others.
Iraq seems pretty American to me.
Carry on.
I could be woring here but.....
Vietnam: We did not invade a country. South Veitnam was our ally and they wanted us there.
Cuba: Bay of pigs was a war we did not participate in militarily. That was the reason it failed. At the last minute JFK dicided not to provide air cover.
Was Granada calssified as a country?
Canada: We were at war wit England and Canada was their allies at the time. (i'm really not too sure about this) lol
Spanish American War..... They sunk a ship of ours in Manila Bay right? Started with an "L" That's what srtated it.
Panama, well that might be the only other one...
Keep looking Joker ;)
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I like how Int titles this, Proof of more Bush hatred... Like it's hard to find evidence of people who dislike this president. LOL...
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ever been to the Middle East, Turkey . . . Pakistan, India?
No, but I know 3 people who have. Believe it or not there are some nice places over there. I know one guy thats lived in Saudi Arabia, and in Doha Quatar at the moment. Hes one of the nicest people you could ever meet. I encounter hundreds of middle easterners who have immigrated here and there mostly all friendly. Nicer than most of the hill billy Republicans who are more worried about Abortion and Gay Marriage than the 2500+ dead soldiers from Iraq.. This guy at my gym is Iranian, guess what? Hes not a terrorist lol, really nice guy. So whats your point?
I understand theres millions of shit for brains poor ass nothing people over there that hate the US and blame there situation on us, but we have people like that here as well, weren't there a few terror camps or training grounds found here? I know Terror Cells were. So does that mean we need to bomb our self's? We need to fight a war on terror, not go around destroying whole countrys then rebuilding them with our tax money. You got to remember theres also good people there, people just like us. We can't go fucking around unless its 110% necessary.
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We've caught damn near everyone but Bin Laden!
Don't you remember? Fox News said this atleast 10 times a day post 9/11? Unless you take the head of the cell the body just keeps regrowing.
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Intenseone, come on bro!
You don't think the way you rant about "Liberals" all day equates to "bush hatred"? Yea, this movie seems to be a bit over the top, but you aint got no room to complain since u're part of this ideological/partisan hate mongering crowd. Fuck Rush Limbaugh, Fuck the Libby Whackjobs, Fuck Hannity, Fuck O'reilly, etc. They're all partisan idiots. why waste your time listening to them?
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Intenseone, come on bro!
You don't think the way you rant about "Liberals" all day equates to "bush hatred"?
Look, I'm not saying he's right about everything, obviously, but yes, the majorty of what Liberals say is Bush hatred and anyone from their own party gets the boot if they are not in agreement, again, the example is Lieberman, I'm convinced that the reason why more Dems don't speak their minds is because they are afraid of getting ousted, mindless robots who's leader thinks for them.....a cult if you will!
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How long before jaguar is on here to defend this?
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{LOL} apparently 11 hrs. ;D
I can't defend it just yet since I haven't seen the film, ...although I sure as heck am looking forward to it. :P
This is gonna be a hard screening to get into, it's a real HOT must-see doc this year, and there are only 3 screenings. I might have to call in a few markers just to get into a screening.
I heard about this about a week ago......man, the left are really screwed up when they come up with crap like this............
http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/09/01/1792237-sun.html (http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/09/01/1792237-sun.html)
As usual IntenseOne runs off the deep end and assumes it's a movie from the left. My understanding is it's non-partisan. Infact, it's a British film. you're such a twit. :-*
They say it isn't an attack on Bush. Than what the heck is it? Its nuts.
Chris,
From personal knowledge and experience, I doubt the selection committees for the Toronto International Film Festival have the balls and ovaries to select a film that expresses the desire to assassinate a head-of-state, ...especially not a sitting head-of-state. I just can't see it. Especially with the current sentiment surrounding Bush, I just can't see it happening. The festival is also screening another film this year that shows the assassination of Robert Kennedy, directed by Emilio Estevez, yet no one is screaming about that one. Americans have been marketing a video game that's been on the market for years that involves the assassination of the Canadian Prime Minister, yet no one is making a fuss about that one.
I would urge people to first reserve our judgement until we have at least viewed the film, before we allow both our minds & emotions to be manipulated by those with an agenda.
D.O.A.P (Death of a President) was chosen to screen as a world premiere at the Toronto International Film Festival in the Festival's Visions programme. Visions spotlights films which challenge our notions of mainstream cinema and explore new cinematic territory. D.O.A.P by Gabriel Range is fictional drama told in the style of a documentary. Range, in concert with some of the finest special effects professionals, mixes archival footage with narrative elements to construct a highly original film; a falsified history on what would be a tragic event. D.O.A.P addresses a wide array of contemporary issues including the loss of civil liberties, the ramifications of war, and ultimately critiques the overwhelming influence and manipulation of mass media.
The Toronto International Film Festival is committed to the free expression of ideas and to engaging audiences in thoughtful discussion about issues of the day. D.O.A.P contributes meaningfully to the public discourse surrounding current social issues, demonstrates highly original storytelling techniques and utilizes innovative digital effects. The film is not exploitative in any way and treats what would certainly be a great tragedy respectfully and un-cynically. In the tradition of great cautionary tales, a terrible and horrifying event unveils certain aspects of society's current fears and future trends.
Information about this film: (from the festival programme guide)
Film Title: D.O.A.P.
Programme: VISIONS
Director: Gabriel Range
Country: United Kingdom
Year: 2006
Language: English, Arabic
Time: 93 minutes
Film Types: Colour/HDCAM
SCREENING TIMES:
Sunday, September 10 8:30 PM
Tuesday, September 12 4:15 PM
Friday, September 15 7:45 PM
Production Company : Borough Films
Executive Producer: Robin Gutch
Producer: Gabriel Range, Simon Finch, Ed Guiney
Screenplay: Gabriel Range, Simon Finch
Cinematographer: Graham Smith
Editor: Brand Thumim
Production Designer: Gary Baugh
Sound: Alex Riordan
Music: Richard Harvey
Principal Cast: Hend Ayoub, Brian Boland, Becky-Ann Baker, Michael Riley-Burke, M. Neko Parham
An unknown gunman assassinates George W. Bush. A couple of years later, an investigative documentary is made. It features all the people involved that fateful day: the protestors outside a Chicago hotel; the suspects in the shooting and their families; the Secret Service men who failed to protect their charge; the press; and an array of experts, desperately seeking meaning in this horrible act of violence. We learn, agonizingly, what happened to America… after the death of a president.
This is easily the most dangerous and breathtakingly original film I have encountered this year. Director Gabriel Range’s 2003 project The Day Britain Stopped – which asked what might happen if Britain’s transportation grid was suddenly halted – was his first experiment with this style. He assembles a vast array of media, manipulating and subtly altering it to act as a continuous background illustration of falsified history – and then employs the conventional, after-the-fact style of History Television and its ilk as narration.
But it’s a long leap from Britain’s trains to a gunned-down Commander-in-Chief. Range is up to the task: collaborating with some of the finest special effects wizards in the world, he inserts his characters seamlessly into existing footage. His narrative is also airtight. Cautionary tales are too often flights of fancy; as they push the envelope of credibility, the lessons gleaned from dark speculation become somehow tarnished. Not here. Every moment is completely believable, every comment is somehow appropriate – to the point of chilling, horrifying certainty.
As one might expect, Range is ultimately interested in addressing today’s political issues through the lens of the future. Xenophobia, the hidden costs of war and the nature of civil liberties in a hyper-media age all come under the microscope. The film is never a personal attack on Bush; Range simply seeks to explore the potential consequences that might follow from the President’s policies and actions.
It is the very technique of D.O.A.P., finally, that poses the most haunting questions of all. Not only do we feel the authenticity of mass media imagery slipping away, but Range suggests that his manipulation is merely a more radical example of what we encounter every day.
- Noah Cowan
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Look, I'm not saying he's right about everything, obviously, but yes, the majorty of what Liberals say is Bush hatred and anyone from their own party gets the boot if they are not in agreement, again, the example is Lieberman, I'm convinced that the reason why more Dems don't speak their minds is because they are afraid of getting ousted, mindless robots who's leader thinks for them.....a cult if you will!
this is the beauty of partisanship....Both sides say the same exact thing about the other!! haha, and in many cases they're both right!
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As usual IntenseOne runs off the deep end and assumes it's a movie from the left. My understanding is it's non-partisan. Infact, it's a British film. you're such a twit. :-*
Your "misunderstanding if it's non-partisan"??????????
I know it's a British film. Let me help you out a bit and refresh your memory (if you even knew at all)........The Majority of the UK are Liberal...they were against the war from the get go...hated Bush and then hated Blair (a Democrat by our standards) for supporting Bush......Bush is a REPUBLICAN and they hate Bush, hence the freaking hate Bush signs that were all over the UK and still are.....it doesn't take a genius to connect the two!! If you think this film is non-partisan and you support it, your MUCH MORE ignorant than I suspected!!
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Oh Puleaze! 1/2 the USA hates Bush, ...if not more.
The fact is Bush is in office, and it is his policies that are shaping events in the world today.
The film examines this as well as more. Just watch the movie and then tell me if it is an attack on Bush.
Until then, no one is qualified ...and especially not YOU to say it is.
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The film examines this as well as more. Just watch the movie and then tell me if it is an attack on Bush.
HELLO......it portrays him getting ASSANATED, they're not exactly using Clinton in this portrayal!!
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ROFL!!! So if they made a Clinton assassination movie you would be OK with this movie?
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Mr.Intenseone You are losing your mind man... Please for your own sake take a break from Rush. ;D
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Guys, let's take the politics out of this- there are assholes and extremists on BOTH sides of the aisle. Labeling 50% of the population does nothing more than destory any progress we can make through the exchange of ideas, insight, and information.
1% of repubs are neocon warmonger/fearmongers.
1% of libs are obnoxious screaming appeasers who make sick movies.
Let's talk about the effect of the movie on society, whether it will unitre the repubs or not, how much US airplay it'll get, how long till it gets on youtube, etc.
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ROFL!!! So if they made a Clinton assassination movie you would be OK with this???
Absolutly NOT, Clinton wasn't all bad...like Bush, he's made mistakes!!
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Guys, let's take the politics out of this- there are assholes and extremists on BOTH sides of the aisle. Labeling 50% of the population does nothing more than destory any progress we can make through the exchange of ideas, insight, and information.
1% of repubs are neocon warmonger/fearmongers.
1% of libs are obnoxious screaming appeasers who make sick movies.
Let's talk about the effect of the movie on society, whether it will unitre the repubs or not, how much US airplay it'll get, how long till it gets on youtube, etc.
I don't think it will be in American theaters anytime soon. (unless Micheal Moore funds it release)!!
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I don't think it will be in American theaters anytime soon. (unless Micheal Moore funds it release)!!
You might be wrong about that. If it was done in the way they describe, ...not finding a US distributor would raise some very nasty & unavoidable questions of partisan inspired censorship of the arts, in an effort to keep Americans from thinking. It would blow up in people's faces because it will inevitably show up on sites like YouTube and through Kazaa & WinMx etc. People will see this film. the only way they won't is if it's crap.
My understanding so far is if it takes a swipe at anyone, it's a subtle one at the media, ...but I'll have to see it first to be sure. But that's my gut instinct, ...which is very rarely wrong. :)
ps - Keep screaming about it though, ...it only gives it more BUZZ! ;)
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Oh Puleaze! 1/2 the USA hates Bush, ...if not more.
Half the country hated Clinton too. It's the nature of partisan politics. We've gone from agree/disagree to good vs. evil.
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Half the country hated Clinton too. It's the nature of partisan politics. We've gone from agree/disagree to good vs. evil.
That's kind of my point MarK. He claims it's a liberal film and therefore evil, without having seen it, or, as I suspect, without even having read it's synopsis or review. I think if Noah's review is accurate, ...and he most frequently is, ...then i suspect Republicans will view this film and go Wow. if anything, it will give people pause to THINK for a change.
I understand it's big on SFX. I remember when Chromakey first hit and how spectacular we all thought that was. But to intersperse archival footage together seamlessly to create an fictional storyline, borrowing on current affairs, then backtrack a documentary from there, truly is a remarkable feat. If he pulls it off, I can see alot of hardware coming it's way.
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I can't get into partisan movies. I never watched the "documentaries" trying to show Clinton had murdered people. I have never seen Michael Moore's "movie" about Dubya. Don't like partisan books either. For example, I am boycotting Richard North Patterson because, after producing a string of excellent books, he started writing about abortion, gun control, and the death penalty under the guise of fiction. It was a bunch of liberal nonsense. Not entertaining at all. When I'm not being paid to think, I like to just relax and have fun (like watching the first season of Lost on DVD this weekend; never seen it).
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I don't think it will be in American theaters anytime soon. (unless Micheal Moore funds it release)!!
i agree. Even on the 911 boards, where they openly call Bush out for treason on 911, no one wants that kind of crap out there.
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Look, I'm not saying he's right about everything, obviously, but yes, the majorty of what Liberals say is Bush hatred and anyone from their own party gets the boot if they are not in agreement, again, the example is Lieberman, I'm convinced that the reason why more Dems don't speak their minds is because they are afraid of getting ousted, mindless robots who's leader thinks for them.....a cult if you will!
My guess as to why Lieberman would get the boot, is because the Democrats wanted to make room for only one major moderate Democrat for the upcoming election. Hillary Clinton.
If Lieberman would've been in the run, Hillary could've been forced to become slightly more radical to win the nomination for the Democrats. And she wants to stay a true centerfielder in US politics.
That's at least my take on things.
Lieberman was the second best option the Democrats had for president candidate, and he was too similar to their best option. Therefore, he had to go.
YIP
Zack
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I think the worst thing that anybody could hope for is that Bush get shot. Especially if it was found out that a Muslim did it. We'd crush half the middle east in an attempt for revenge. Dick Cheney would come unhinged.
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I think the worst thing that anybody could hope for is that Bush get shot. Especially if it was found out that a Muslim did it. We'd crush half the middle east in an attempt for revenge.
I agree.
Dick Cheney would come unhinged.
Here is where we disagree. I think Cheney would ejac in his pants. He'd become president and be able to unleash all his plans without any restraints. It would be a PNAC wet dream that would become the civilized world's nightmare.
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I think Cheney would ejac in his pants. He'd become president and be able to unleash all his plans without any restraints. It would be a PNAC wet dream that would become the civilized world's nightmare.
And rightfully so!
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And rightfully so!
So if it does happen, ...the key question we need to ask to find the culprit is who benefits.
A few days ago in the Bush vs. Iran president debate thread, I made a flippant sarcastic comment about neocons poising to off the pres. Now that I think about it, ...with everything I know about them, ...it's not such a far-fetched possibility imo, ...it's sickeningly plausible. >:(
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And rightfully so!
Are you saying that some of Cheney's plans have been restricted? Which ones?
Or are you saying that the PNAC document should be followed?
I think Cheney would ejac in his pants. He'd become president and be able to unleash all his plans without any restraints. It would be a PNAC wet dream that would become the civilized world's nightmare.
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OK, I finally got my hands on a screener of "Death of A President." (D.O.A.P)
It's fabulous. I was a little disappointed tho ...it wasn't anti-Bush at all. {shrug} {sigh} maybe next time ;)
This is NOT an anti-Bush film. It's actually very good, and from a technical perspective it's amazing. It's cinematic expertise will probably be lost on the general public who won't appreciate the complexity of it's accomplishment, but that's OK, because the story is so tight, and the actors are very good.
Bmacsys, Body88, I know you 2 guys took specific initial offense at the movie and it's title, but I urge you to see it. It's not at all what you might have thought, and it truly isn't in bad taste at all.
I can't even describe it as an anti-Republican, or a Pro-Democratic film either.
It's just a film, and it very much is non-partisan. It's just as Noah described it in his review.
It is a cautionary tale, but without being preachy. It's really bang on. Gabriel Range really nailed it.
If anything, I would say the viewing audience could be tempted to develop Pro-Bush sentiments <spit> ;) <lol> in that, when you see the protestors, ...they hardly engender sympathy. I don't think anyone would want to consider themselves a part of that crowd. When I saw them I said to myself "Holy Crap! What a bunch of leftist, hippie-dippy, granola crunching, tree huggers! They oughta go out and get themselves a job!" No joke. That was my initial reaction. {lol} ...and coming from me, you know they had to be a pretty sorry looking bunch. {lol}
It really is a good film, and one that I think even the most ardent Bush supporter would enjoy viewing.
It could be considered a bit of a mind-fvck for some, ...especially since certain "falsified historical events" have since come to pass, making them not at all falsified but rather prescient or precognitive, but it truly is a great film. One that everyone can enjoy regardless of their politics.
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