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I just watched the press conference clip that was posted. He mentions Jesus and God everytime he's interviewed.
Doesn't he understand that some people (muslims, jews, etc) may be offended when he says "Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ"?
or is he stupid?
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Ronnie Coleman did not have foreknowledge of the 911 attacks.
So no, he is not GWB.
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He kills arabs on stage though.
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Muhammad wants Jay Cutler to be Mr. O this year. But Jesus wants Ron. :o Jesus and Muhammad will have to fight it out
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Ronnie & his theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWBq7IQLv0&mode=related&search (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWBq7IQLv0&mode=related&search)
In the name of Jesus! ;D Come on guys, he's just doing what the Lord wants him to do... sheesh ::)
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I just watched the press conference clip that was posted. He mentions Jesus and God everytime he's interviewed.
Doesn't he understand that some people (muslims, jews, etc) may be offended when he says "Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ"?
or is he stupid?
hey man, the man can say what he likes when its his time to speak. Are you offended by it?
funny how your worried about Ronnie offending folkd bc he mentions thanks in Jesus, but whe are supposed to accept changing "Christmas" to "happy holidays" and take "God" out from the pledge of allegiance...this country is going to shit fast...
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I just think he's a retard for thinking that Jesus cares about who is Mr. Olympia. Seconly, he is implying that everybody's God is Jesus saying "OUR savior.."
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hey man, the man can say what he likes when its his time to speak. Are you offended by it?
funny how your worried about Ronnie offending folkd bc he mentions thanks in Jesus, but whe are supposed to accept changing "Christmas" to "happy holidays" and take "God" out from the pledge of allegiance...this country is going to shit fast...
FYI the phrase " Under God " was never in the original pledge and shouldn't be in any pledge , keep your God out of my government ;) and winter solsitice celebrations predate christianty and christians who don't even know when Jesus was born used December 25th because many pagan Gods were born on this day , so like the pledge it wasn't like that to begin with until christians start their campain and this country started going to shit when George W Bush said he felt like God told him to invade Iraq , so I agree with you say this country is going to shit.
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I just think he's a retard for thinking that Jesus cares about who is Mr. Olympia. Seconly, he is implying that everybody's God is Jesus saying "OUR savior.."
Wether one believes it or not, BASTucci Christ is OUR(mankind) savior. It's just reality. Not my opinion just the way it is. Notice...earth is under RULE of satan...Jesus or God is the only name(s) that makes such a controversial issue...children can be expelled or kicked out of school for saying 'Merry Christmas' now...it is almost illegal to say 'God' or 'Jesus' in public now...why is it that 'Jesus' is the only name that causes 'reaction' or action to be put in motion?
Muhammed, Budah, Allah...get no laws and codes against them...it offends NOBODY because only TRUTH does.
I aint no Bible thumper but there is only 1 God, bottom line and wether you believe it or not it's true!
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Muhammad wants Jay Cutler to be Mr. O this year. But Jesus wants Ron. :o Jesus and Muhammad will have to fight it out
The Buddhists are backing Dennis James.
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Wether one believes it or not, BASTucci Christ is OUR(mankind) savior. It's just reality. Not my opinion just the way it is. Notice...earth is under RULE of satan...Jesus or God is the only name(s) that makes such a controversial issue...children can be expelled or kicked out of school for saying 'Merry Christmas' now...it is almost illegal to say 'God' or 'Jesus' in public now...why is it that 'Jesus' is the only name that causes 'reaction' or action to be put in motion?
Muhammed, Budah, Allah...get no laws and codes against them...it offends NOBODY because only TRUTH does.
I aint no Bible thumper but there is only 1 God, bottom line and wether you believe it or not it's true!
The laws protect us from all Gods not just the Christian one , the Christians were successful in having the term one nation under God inserted into the pleage so therefore they take the heat . if it was the Hindus who added the term one nation under Vishnu than they would take the heat , please keep all Gods out of my goverment !
Thank God ( pun intended ) for the Great forefathers of this country , man where they great or what?
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Wether one believes it or not, BASTucci Christ is OUR(mankind) savior. It's just reality. Not my opinion just the way it is. Notice...earth is under RULE of satan...Jesus or God is the only name(s) that makes such a controversial issue...children can be expelled or kicked out of school for saying 'Merry Christmas' now...it is almost illegal to say 'God' or 'Jesus' in public now...why is it that 'Jesus' is the only name that causes 'reaction' or action to be put in motion?
Muhammed, Budah, Allah...get no laws and codes against them...it offends NOBODY because only TRUTH does.
I aint no Bible thumper but there is only 1 God, bottom line and wether you believe it or not it's true!
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Ronnie Coleman did not have foreknowledge of the 911 attacks.
So no, he is not GWB.
Please tell us you are kidding right??? Anyone who believes that BS needs a ball bat to the cranium.....
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bast what is your iq???
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Wether one believes it or not, BASTucci Christ is OUR(mankind) savior. It's just reality. Not my opinion just the way it is. Notice...earth is under RULE of satan...Jesus or God is the only name(s) that makes such a controversial issue...children can be expelled or kicked out of school for saying 'Merry Christmas' now...it is almost illegal to say 'God' or 'Jesus' in public now...why is it that 'Jesus' is the only name that causes 'reaction' or action to be put in motion?
Muhammed, Budah, Allah...get no laws and codes against them...it offends NOBODY because only TRUTH does.
I aint no Bible thumper but there is only 1 God, bottom line and wether you believe it or not it's true!
YOu must have read that book "More than a Carpenter"? Your answer is almost exact from there.
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bast what is your iq???
140
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Please tell us you are kidding right??? Anyone who believes that BS needs a ball bat to the cranium.....
It is called a joke you idiot.
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YOu must have read that book "More than a Carpenter"? Your answer is almost exact from there.
I never have. I honestly never even heard of the book but I'll keep my eye out for it.
I also believe this planet we live on isnt as old as people think...in no way shape or form are we some cosmic accident by an explosion. Just as a WATCH needs a WATCHMAKER and a DESIGN needs a DESIGNER a CREATION needs a CREATOR.
I know I'm a sinner but I also know each and every single one of us WILL find out thr truth...some the easy way and some the hard. Energy never ceases to exist...it just takes another form. The FOOL says there is no God and I agree I dont think God really pays mind who will win the O or World Series or SuperBowl. His concern is how we do our part every single day to expand His kingdom and what choices we will make it being for his glory or against.
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I never have. I honestly never even heard of the book but I'll keep my eye out for it.
I also believe this planet we live on isnt as old as people think...in no way shape or form are we some cosmic accident by an explosion. Just as a WATCH needs a WATCHMAKER and a DESIGN needs a DESIGNER a CREATION needs a CREATOR.
I know I'm a sinner but I also know each and every single one of us WILL find out thr truth...some the easy way and some the hard. Energy never ceases to exist...it just takes another form. The FOOL says there is no God and I agree I dont think God really pays mind who will win the O or World Series or SuperBowl. His concern is how we do our part every single day to expand His kingdom and what choices we will make it being for his glory or against.
The creation question begs if every creation needs a creator , who created or the creator? and the Unirevse has been proven by science to be 14.7 billion years old using empirical evidence check this
Using a powerfull array of ground and spaced-based telescopes , astronomers can detect galaxies billions of light-years away from Earth. Because light requires one year of time to travel one light-year of distance , our detection of these galaxies proves incontrovertibly that they existed billions of years ago. Otherwise the electromagnetic radiation emiited by these galaxies could not traversed the billion-light-year distance to Earth.
you can't prove that wrong , the assertion that the earth and universe is young is no science its nonsense.
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The creation question begs if every creation needs a creator , who created or the creator? and the Unirevse has been proven by science using empirical evidence check this
Using a powerfull array of ground and spaced-based telescopes , astronomers can detect galaxies billions of light-years away from Earth. Because light requires one year of time to travel one light-year of distance , our detection of these galaxies proves incontrovertibly that they existed billions of years ago. Otherwise the electromagnetic radiation emiited by these galaxies could not traversed the billion-light-year distance to Earth.
you can't prove that wrong , the assertion that the earth and universe is young is no science its nonsense.
Your lack of faith is not a shortcoming, you just have to have faith. Those who have faith will be saved on judgement day. If you want to be a scientist, then you do that. All I know, is there was someone named Jesus that roamed the earth, and did some serious miracles man, those are REAL..he died, and he was ressurected on the 3rd day.... So, if you want to be blind and ignorant to that, then i dont know. Do you know of anyone as nice as Jesus that loved everyone, that was hammered to a cross, then speared in the stomach to die, to rise from the dead? I dont..and to do it for us?
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Your lack of faith is not a shortcoming, you just have to have faith. Those who have faith will be saved on judgement day. If you want to be a scientist, then you do that. All I know, is there was someone named Jesus that roamed the earth, and did some serious miracles man, those are REAL..he died, and he was ressurected on the 3rd day.... So, if you want to be blind and ignorant to that, then i dont know. Do you know of anyone as nice as Jesus that loved everyone, that was hammered to a cross, then speared in the stomach to die, to rise from the dead? I dont..and to do it for us?
Who needs faith? I have empirical evidence provided by science and that carries more weight than blind faith , and you don't know Jesus roamed the earth and did serious miracles and died and rose again etc , you believe that , and more power to you , but I always laugh when I hear a religious person using the word truth.
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People who do not believe just simply do not WANT to their to be a God...nobody likes to be told their lives, actions or choices are wrong. majority scientists are also in this category...they don't want their to be a God but yet...their 'religion(science)' cannot unprove God or the Bible to be untrue. It cant.
The Great Flood did happen, saddam/gahmorrah did happen, everything in the Bible happened...dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible so is life outside this planet. This world...is no older than 10,000 years old. Dinosaurs still exist today in remote places and in very few numbers...science says they died 65 millions years ago, though.
Science is disproven all the time...all the time. Professor who preach evolution do their homework and then they are turned into believers...believers who do their homework just come up with more PROOF that science isnt always right.
God has never been unproven and what he said and what was written 2000yrs ago is still unfolding TODAY and his laws and codes are still valid to this day. It was written so long ago abou the forming of the one world currency, mark of the beast(microchip) and rise of the great politican(devil in flesh) from the east...and slowly...slowly but surely it is all happening.
The BIBLE is also the only book on earth that causes such a stir...no other book does. Why? It is because of the power and truth it contains...a book on science is just that...inanimate and lifeless. The Bible is not.
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Please tell us you are kidding right??? Anyone who believes that BS needs a ball bat to the cranium.....
Hey, no need to get all MLB on me.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&warning_signs:_specific_cases=foreignIntelligence
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Oay, ND...but YOU KNOW to be true EVERYTHING written by 'scientists'.
You're just another sinner who doesnt WANT their to be a God...but you really do know there is.
Look...if there ws a thread going on about the existance of The Easter Bunny i would ignore it and never blink an eye at it because I know it to be ridiculous to be true and not even worth typing in a 'reply'.
You see God or Jesus and youhave to reply that its wrong, fake, not true blah blah blah...see? You know the truth but you wish like damn hell that you are right and 'we' are wrong.
Remember. The FOOL says there is no God. Wether you believe it or not...some things are just true.
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Who needs faith? I have empirical evidence provided by science and that carries more weight than blind faith , and you don't know Jesus roamed the earth and did serious miracles and died and rose again etc , you believe that , and more power to you , but I always laugh when I hear a religious person using the word truth.
Nahh, Science (and im a Bio major) means shit. there is plenty in life we cant explain, and if you deny that your oblivious. And there was a Jesus and everything he did occurred....where is there science that disproves that? Its written in books that came from different countries, almost word for word...the people that wrote these books didnt even know eachother..
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Wether one believes it or not, BASTucci Christ is OUR(mankind) savior. It's just reality. Not my opinion just the way it is. Notice...earth is under RULE of satan...Jesus or God is the only name(s) that makes such a controversial issue...children can be expelled or kicked out of school for saying 'Merry Christmas' now...it is almost illegal to say 'God' or 'Jesus' in public now...why is it that 'Jesus' is the only name that causes 'reaction' or action to be put in motion?
Muhammed, Budah, Allah...get no laws and codes against them...it offends NOBODY because only TRUTH does.
I aint no Bible thumper but there is only 1 God, bottom line and wether you believe it or not it's true!
I agree 500% dude. Why is the most popular swear word in the world today, "Jesus Christ"...and not Buddah, Mohammed etc.
It's the only NAME that's real...that's why satan uses it.
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Your lack of faith is not a shortcoming, you just have to have faith. Those who have faith will be saved on judgement day. If you want to be a scientist, then you do that. All I know, is there was someone named Jesus that roamed the earth, and did some serious miracles man, those are REAL..he died, and he was ressurected on the 3rd day.... So, if you want to be blind and ignorant to that, then i dont know. Do you know of anyone as nice as Jesus that loved everyone, that was hammered to a cross, then speared in the stomach to die, to rise from the dead? I dont..and to do it for us?
Yeah there's real good evidence of those bloody miracles...NOT. Believing in God one way or the other is fine, but don't come up with bogus facts.
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I agree 500% dude. Why is the most popular swear word in the world today, "Jesus Christ"...and not Buddah, Mohammed etc.
It's the only NAME that's real...that's why satan uses it.
??? ??? ;D ;D ::) ::) 8) 8)
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Yep. NO OTHER NAME holds power like Jesus does. No other word besides 'God' scares people and there's a reason behind it...it is because of the power and truth in it.
In the future...it will be a CRIME to believe in Christ. It will be illegal to even utter the word 'God' or 'Christ' in public and even private. Why?
It's happening now slowly but surely. Not Darwin, not Allah nothing els...but there will be a time when humas will be executed and put on trial for beliveing in Jesus. why? It's because Jesus is the only threat to Satan and satan runs this mofo...here on earth.
satans GREATEST trick is making people think or believe HE or God doesnt exist...but the thing is...satan believes in God to!
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??? ??? ;D ;D ::) ::) 8) 8)
...you struggling to use those keys there....hehehe....they're the square thingies with the black letters on them....
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let me add: I believe TheBlockHead is retarded after reading some of his posts.
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People who do not believe just simply do not WANT to their to be a God...nobody likes to be told their lives, actions or choices are wrong. majority scientists are also in this category...they don't want their to be a God but yet...their 'religion(science)' cannot unprove God or the Bible to be untrue. It cant.
The Great Flood did happen, saddam/gahmorrah did happen, everything in the Bible happened...dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible so is life outside this planet. This world...is no older than 10,000 years old. Dinosaurs still exist today in remote places and in very few numbers...science says they died 65 millions years ago, though.
Science is disproven all the time...all the time. Professor who preach evolution do their homework and then they are turned into believers...believers who do their homework just come up with more PROOF that science isnt always right.
God has never been unproven and what he said and what was written 2000yrs ago is still unfolding TODAY and his laws and codes are still valid to this day. It was written so long ago abou the forming of the one world currency, mark of the beast(microchip) and rise of the great politican(devil in flesh) from the east...and slowly...slowly but surely it is all happening.
The BIBLE is also the only book on earth that causes such a stir...no other book does. Why? It is because of the power and truth it contains...a book on science is just that...inanimate and lifeless. The Bible is not.
People who do not believe just simply do not WANT to their to be a God...nobody likes to be told their lives, actions or choices are wrong. majority scientists are also in this category...they don't want their to be a God but yet...their 'religion(science)' cannot unprove God or the Bible to be untrue. It cant.
There are millions of things science can't disprove , but it doesn't mean they're true ! science can't disprove unicorns so by virtue of that does that make them true? of course not , science can't disprove faries does that make them true? seriously. and science has proven your version of the story of the creation & the universe untrue and you don't need faith either.
The Great Flood did happen, saddam/gahmorrah did happen, everything in the Bible happened...dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible so is life outside this planet. This world...is no older than 10,000 years old. Dinosaurs still exist today in remote places and in very few numbers...science says they died 65 millions years ago, though.
By a litteral interpretation of the Bible , the worldwide deluge occurred in the year 2348 B.C. Supposedly , the only humans to survive the flood were members of Noah's own faimly , who rode in the ark with Noah and the animals.
Difficult for creationists to explain , however is the fact that the Tigris-Euphrates Valley Civilization ( in the Middle East ) , the Nile Valley Civilization ( in Egypt ) and the Aegean Civilization ( in Greece ) maintained UNINTERRURPTED written historical records extending before , throughout , and following the year 2348 B.C. Thier written chains of history were unbroken by the flood. Peoples of these vast civilizations failed to notice their own " destruction".
So much for the world wide flood ::) the ancient civilizations all have uninterupted written chains of history so I guess they didn't get the memo they were supposed to be dead.
Science is disproven all the time...all the time. Professor who preach evolution do their homework and then they are turned into believers...believers who do their homework just come up with more PROOF that science isnt always right.
Science is disproven from time to time , by other scientists !! and thank goodness they continue to search for the truth because as we go on and one and we learn more and know more and more all thanks to science. and FYI Evolution is a fact , its a fact as much as you and I are breathing right now.
God has never been unproven and what he said and what was written 2000yrs ago is still unfolding TODAY and his laws and codes are still valid to this day. It was written so long ago abou the forming of the one world currency, mark of the beast(microchip) and rise of the great politican(devil in flesh) from the east...and slowly...slowly but surely it is all happening.
The BIBLE is also the only book on earth that causes such a stir...no other book does. Why? It is because of the power and truth it contains...a book on science is just that...inanimate and lifeless. The Bible is not.
See above for disproving ! and the biblical prophecies are about as real as the ones from physic Silvia Brown lol
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Remember. The FOOL says there is no God. Wether you believe it or not...some things are just true.
Matthew 5:22 " But whosoever shall say ' Thou fool ' shall be in danger of hell fire. "
Remember Matthew teaches us that if you call me a fool you're in danger of going to hell lol ;)
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I never called you a fool...
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I never called you a fool...
Sure you did ! The FOOL says there is no God. Wether you believe it or not...some things are just true.
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There are millions of things science can't disprove , but it doesn't mean they're true ! science can't disprove unicorns so by virtue of that does that make them true? of course not , science can't disprove faries does that make them true? seriously. and science has proven your version of the story of the creation & the universe untrue and you don't need faith either.
By a litteral interpretation of the Bible , the worldwide deluge occurred in the year 2348 B.C. Supposedly , the only humans to survive the flood were members of Noah's own faimly , who rode in the ark with Noah and the animals.
Difficult for creationists to explain , however is the fact that the Tigris-Euphrates Valley Civilization ( in the Middle East ) , the Nile Valley Civilization ( in Egypt ) and the Aegean Civilization ( in Greece ) maintained UNINTERRURPTED written historical records extending before , throughout , and following the year 2348 B.C. Thier written chains of history were unbroken by the flood. Peoples of these vast civilizations failed to notice their own " destruction".
So much for the world wide flood ::) the ancient civilizations all have uninterupted written chains of history so I guess they didn't get the memo they were supposed to be dead.
Science is disproven from time to time , by other scientists !! and thank goodness they continue to search for the truth because as we go on and one and we learn more and know more and more all thanks to science. and FYI Evolution is a fact , its a fact as much as you and I are breathing right now.
See above for disproving ! and the biblical prophecies are about as real as the ones from physic Silvia Brown lol
For someone who does not believe in God....you've done alot of research...
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He has done alot of research...because he does know there is a God. I havent done ANY research on wethere the existance of the tooth fairy is valid.
I said 'The fool says' I never said 'ND you are a...'
You arent...you're a smart mofo PLUS I'm a Dorian fan to.
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He has done alot of research...because he does know there is a God. I havent done ANY research on wethere the existance of the tooth fairy is valid.
hahaha....that's a good one.
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For someone who does not believe in God....you've done alot of research...
I'm without believe in God and I like to be well researched on topics that intrest me.
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He has done alot of research...because he does know there is a God. I havent done ANY research on wethere the existance of the tooth fairy is valid.
I said 'The fool says' I never said 'ND you are a...'
You arent...you're a smart mofo PLUS I'm a Dorian fan to.
Who's God do I know is there? there are many of them.
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I just watched the press conference clip that was posted. He mentions Jesus and God everytime he's interviewed.
Doesn't he understand that some people (muslims, jews, etc) may be offended when he says "Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ"?
or is he stupid?
Just ask him to say nuclear. If it comes out nukulor, thats Bush.
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I just watched the press conference clip that was posted. He mentions Jesus and God everytime he's interviewed.
Doesn't he understand that some people (muslims, jews, etc) may be offended when he says "Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ"?
or is he stupid?
1) Who cares about "muslims, jews, etc" being offended by someone who follows another religion thanking his Messiah? It's not as if he was insulting Muslims or Jews by thanking Christ. People are WAY too easily offended these days.
2) Nowadays, if a Muslim thanks Mohamed, or homosexual thanks a gay activist, none of us "silent majority" types has any right or reason to be the least bit offended, according to the current liberal bias that is so prevalent. If they want to be accepted by all as legitimate, they need to stop being so damned hypersensitive and drop the sense of entitlement to special treatment and the expectation of being put upon pedestals.
3) It seems to me that Muslims, Jews, etc who would be offended (by a Christian giving thanks to his Messiah) are not very secure in themselves and their beliefs. If they were, they would be more tolerant and not be the least bit bothered.
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1) Who cares about "muslims, jews, etc" being offended by someone who follows another religion thanking his Messiah? It's not as if he was insulting Muslims or Jews by thanking Christ. People are WAY too easily offended these days.
2) Nowadays, if a Muslim thanks Mohamed, or homosexual thanks a gay activist, none of us "silent majority" types has any right or reason to be the least bit offended, according to the current liberal bias that is so prevalent. If they want to be accepted by all as legitimate, they need to stop being so damned hypersensitive and drop the sense of entitlement to special treatment and the expectation of being put upon pedestals.
3) It seems to me that if Muslims, Jews, etc who would be offended by a Christian giving thanks to his Messiah, are not very secure in themselves and their beliefs. If they were, they would be more tolerant not be the least bit bothered.
LOL A Christian talking about tollerence talk about irony.
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I've seen video if the Loch Nest monster. I've seen video of Bigfoot. Hell, I've seen video of a cat driving a car. I'm still waiting for the video of God... not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just waiting for the video.
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LOL A Christian talking about tollerence talk about irony.
You are painting all Christians with the same brush. You make it sound as though a person thanking Jesus for his success is the same as the Salem Witch Hunts that occurred several centuries ago.
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Are you a fan of Ayn Rand?
Ayn Rand's books are quite interesting. But I am NOT a "Heavy Duty" advocate. I'm more of a volume / Power Bodybuilding trainer... ;D
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Are you a fan of Ayn Rand?
BTW, Warrior Jim Helwig makes some good points... ;D
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It amazes me how many bodybuilding and powerlifting christians are also dealing with sorcery and shootin it up their butts just to satisfy their gluttony and pride. If you going to take the literal word of the bible, all you guys should not be supporting sorcery or the culture of sorcery. (a.k.a. steroids) Maybe its time to step off the boards.
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You guys who are religious need to understand that your point of views are matter of faith and not matter of fact.
There is 0 - absolutely 0 - evidence to prove any of what you are saying. That is the point of FAITH. So don't push it on me like it's fact.
If I believed that Star Wars exists on another galaxy I wouldn't be telling you it is fact.
amen
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You are painting all Christians with the same brush. You make it sound as though a person thanking Jesus for his success is the same as the Salem Witch Hunts that occurred several centuries ago.
Yes that brush is called the bible which teaches everyone else is wrong , we're right and you're going to hell if you don't by our story , if you believe in the bible in what Jesus had to say you're surporting they same system that has done an amazing ammount destruction over the ages and seeks to continue that same path under the guise of religion .
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Yes that brush is called the bible which teaches everyone else is wrong , we're right and you're going to hell if you don't by our story , if you believe in the bible in what Jesus had to say you're surporting they same system that has done an amazing ammount destruction over the ages and seeks to continue that same path under the guise of religion .
amen again
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Yes that brush is called the bible which teaches everyone else is wrong , we're right and you're going to hell if you don't by our story , if you believe in the bible in what Jesus had to say you're surporting they same system that has done an amazing ammount destruction over the ages and seeks to continue that same path under the guise of religion .
I'll agree that a small % of ultra-right wing "Christian" nutjobs throughout history have caused mankind a great deal of pain and suffering - the same way a small % of extremist Muslim nutjobs who believe that flying jet planes into buildings and killing thousands of Americans guarantees them an eternal paradise in the afterlife. My own personal experience is that the vast majority of Muslims don't seem to be this way. Just as I'm sure that a Christian Ronnie Coleman thanking Jesus probably does not wish any harm on anyone who does not share his beliefs. But I suppose I could be wrong - Ronnie may spend several nights a week burning / stoning people to death he believes to be witches / Pagans, etc... ::)
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She was a stuck up bitch, but she DID make good points. If she wasn't so damn arrogant and made it a point to explain why being SELFISH is actually a more GENEROUS system than being altruistic, people would have given her ideas more credibility.
IMO, "altruism" is rare, possibly even non-existant. I believe we all have a selfish motive for just about everything we do. Even our "no strings attached" good deeds make us feel very good about ourselves. Look at any typical "do gooder" around you. If you look really hard, there is usually a motive: a tax break; uplifting of a lagging self esteem; or (most commonly in my experience) a sense of control and manipulation over others.
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I'll agree that a small % of ultra-right wing "Christian" nutjobs throughout history have caused mankind a great deal of pain and suffering - the same way a small % of extremist Muslim nutjobs who believe that flying jet planes into buildings and killing thousands of Americans guarantees them an eternal paradise in the afterlife. My own personal experience is that the vast majority of Muslims don't seem to be this way. Just as I'm sure that a Christian Ronnie Coleman thinking Jesus probably does not wish any harm on anyone who does not share his beliefs. But I suppose I could be wrong - Ronnie may spend several nights a week burning / stoning people to death he believes to be witches / Pagans, etc... ::)
Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
These are Jesus words according to the new testament , so Jesus adovcates muder of those who wont allow themselves to be ruled by him and he doesn't even have the balls to do it himself . So again you can cherry-pick the bible for all nice versus that you like but this is part & parcel of the same nonsense , you and Ronnie support this nonsense by being members , but in most peoples defense to quote the American Philosopher " Most people believe in the belief of God " most of you are passive-cherry-picking-christians but still support the same system that is responsible the crusades , the inqusition , the oppresion of millions and who continue to try and force their opinion on the rest of us , the same system that still prevent equal rights ( gay marriage ) stem cell research , etc in the day and age , so while you may not be lighting the match you're on the sidelines with the guy who is.
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So god exists, big deal... Doesn't really change anything. There is millions and millions of people already believing in him, and that didn't make anything. BTW, if god created and rules everything on earth, since everything is "gods will" right? Or "god works in mysterious ways" etc etc. Then I think god must be a perverted maniac. :P Maybe god is just downright evil?
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The creation question begs if every creation needs a creator , who created or the creator? and the Unirevse has been proven by science to be 14.7 billion years old using empirical evidence check this
Using a powerfull array of ground and spaced-based telescopes , astronomers can detect galaxies billions of light-years away from Earth. Because light requires one year of time to travel one light-year of distance , our detection of these galaxies proves incontrovertibly that they existed billions of years ago. Otherwise the electromagnetic radiation emiited by these galaxies could not traversed the billion-light-year distance to Earth.
you can't prove that wrong , the assertion that the earth and universe is young is no science its nonsense.
YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT...
SCIENTIST IN ALL OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT THE WEATHER WILL BE LIKE TOMORROW WITH ANY DEGREE OF ACCURACY AND YOU BELIEVE THIS NONSENSE THEY SPEW.
SO FAR AS AN EMPIRACL FACTS...THE ONLY WAY THEIR SO CALL FACTS CAN BE CORRECT IS IF YOU BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED WITH A BIG BANG (DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY) AND BECAUSE OF THIS EVERYTHING BEGAN AT ONE POINT AND SPED AWAY FROM THIS POINT AT A GIVEN SPEED. WITH THIS BELIEF THE DISTANCES THE PLANETS AND GALAXIES ARE FROM ONE ANOTHER AND A SUPPOSED CENTRAL POINT IS DETERMINED TO BE SO MANY TRILLIONS OF LIGHT YEARS BASED ON THE SPEED OF LIGHT AND THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THIS LIGHT TO REACH EARTH. BUT TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE GALAXIES DID NOT START IN A CENTRAL POINT (BIG BANG) BUT WAS BEGAN IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE AT THE SAME TIME!!! THIS TOTALLY KILLS THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE HYPOTHYSIS, KILLS THE WHOLE TIME SCENARIO AND SINCE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS REALLY IN SPACE, NO ONE REALLY CAN SAY WITH ASSURITY WHAT HAPPENS TO LIGHT AS IT TRAVELS THROUGH SPACE (BETWEEN GALAXIES). SO ANY SCIENTIFIC "FACTS" CAN AT BEST BE FLAWED WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNIVERSE.
I WILL STICK WITH MY BELIEF IN GOD AND HIS WISDOM, BECAUSE MAN AT BEST IS A RAGING LUNATIC IN COMPARISON. THE UNIVERSE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IS ONLY 13000 YEARS OLD COMING UP ON 14000 YEARS AND NOTHING HAS PROVED OTHERWISE OR DISPROVED THE BIBLE.
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I just watched the press conference clip that was posted. He mentions Jesus and God everytime he's interviewed.
Doesn't he understand that some people (muslims, jews, etc) may be offended when he says "Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ"?
or is he stupid?
He doesn't care what any Jew/Muslim thinks.. Jesus is Lord!!!--end of story.
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Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
These are Jesus words according to the new testament , so Jesus adovcates muder of those who wont allow themselves to be ruled by him and he doesn't even have the balls to do it himself . So again you can cherry-pick the bible for all nice versus that you like but this is part & parcel of the same nonsense , you and Ronnie support this nonsense by being members , but in most peoples defense to quote the American Philosopher " Most people believe in the belief of God " most of you are passive-cherry-picking-christians but still support the same system that is responsible the crusades , the inqusition , the oppresion of millions and who continue to try and force their opinion on the rest of us , the same system that still prevent equal rights ( gay marriage ) stem cell research , etc in the day and age , so while you may not be lighting the match you're on the sidelines with the guy who is.
I don't recall ever revealing my own religious preferences here. I simply have stated that it is ridiculous for anyone to be offended by someone publicly thanking their particular Messiah for their success. Somehow I think that if he thanked Mohamed, people like you and Bast would not be the least offended.
The liberal, pseudo-intellectual hippies who have seemingly taken over this world in recent years don't seem to find fault with any non-Christian religions, although the typical member of this movement is usually atheist. But it has come to the point where Christians, Caucasians, heterosexuals, etc are almost expected to apologize and be ashamed of who and what they are nowadays.
BTW, since you love to criticize the passages of the Bible that appear to encourage violence, what is your opinion of the Koran?
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I don't recall ever revealing my own religious preferences here. I simply have stated that it is ridiculous for anyone to be offended by someone publicly thanking their particular Messiah for their success. Somehow I think that if he thanked Mohamed, people like you and Bast would not be the least offended.
The liberal, pseudo-intellectual hippies who have seemingly taken over this world in recent years don't seem to find fault with any non-Christian religions, although the typical member of this movement is usually atheist. But it has come to the point where Christians, Caucasians, heterosexuals, etc are almost expected to apologize and be ashamed of who and what they are nowadays.
BTW, since you love to criticize the passages of the Bible that appear to encourage violence, what is your opinion of the Koran?
First of all I'm not offended that he thanks Jesus , I find it funny when people do that , its like thanking the easter bunny its laughable. And the reason that people as of late are speaking against Christianity is because they're trying to force their way into every part of the society in the United States and people have had enough , enough with the nonsense of intelligent design , enough with abortion , enough with prayer in school , enough with efforts to curb stem cell reasearch , etc
The Jews like to be left alone they're not trying to force their religion on the masses and same with the Muslims , they aren't pushing for daily Koran readings in class . Most people in the United States consider themselves Christians and they are going to take the heat for their actions .
And just in case you forgot the great forefathers of the great country wanted to get as far away from religion when they formed this country for a reason and while you think you're under some sort of attack , keep in mind the speration of church and state started with this country and for a while , like a virus the religious people have sickened this country and now rational thought used as an antibiotic is fixing that problem
I don't mind who you worship , pray to the flying spagetti monster if you want but keep your nonsense out of my life & govenment and that includs all religions.
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YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT...
SCIENTIST IN ALL OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT THE WEATHER WILL BE LIKE TOMORROW WITH ANY DEGREE OF ACCURACY AND YOU BELIEVE THIS NONSENSE THEY SPEW.
SO FAR AS AN EMPIRACL FACTS...THE ONLY WAY THEIR SO CALL FACTS CAN BE CORRECT IS IF YOU BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED WITH A BIG BANG (DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY) AND BECAUSE OF THIS EVERYTHING BEGAN AT ONE POINT AND SPED AWAY FROM THIS POINT AT A GIVEN SPEED. WITH THIS BELIEF THE DISTANCES THE PLANETS AND GALAXIES ARE FROM ONE ANOTHER AND A SUPPOSED CENTRAL POINT IS DETERMINED TO BE SO MANY TRILLIONS OF LIGHT YEARS BASED ON THE SPEED OF LIGHT AND THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THIS LIGHT TO REACH EARTH. BUT TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE GALAXIES DID NOT START IN A CENTRAL POINT (BIG BANG) BUT WAS BEGAN IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE AT THE SAME TIME!!! THIS TOTALLY KILLS THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE HYPOTHYSIS, KILLS THE WHOLE TIME SCENARIO AND SINCE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS REALLY IN SPACE, NO ONE REALLY CAN SAY WITH ASSURITY WHAT HAPPENS TO LIGHT AS IT TRAVELS THROUGH SPACE (BETWEEN GALAXIES). SO ANY SCIENTIFIC "FACTS" CAN AT BEST BE FLAWED WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNIVERSE.
I WILL STICK WITH MY BELIEF IN GOD AND HIS WISDOM, BECAUSE MAN AT BEST IS A RAGING LUNATIC IN COMPARISON. THE UNIVERSE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IS ONLY 13000 YEARS OLD COMING UP ON 14000 YEARS AND NOTHING HAS PROVED OTHERWISE OR DISPROVED THE BIBLE.
So the Big Bang didn't happen huh? lol please do me a favor , subimt your thesis to a scientifc peer reveiw and , when you win the Nobel Prize I'll be the first to polish your medals ;)
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First of all I'm not offended that he thanks Jesus , I find it funny when people do that , its like thanking the easter bunny its laughable. And the reason that people as of late are speaking against Christianity is because they're trying to force their way into every part of the society in the United States and people have had enough , enough with the nonsense of intelligent design , enough with abortion , enough with prayer in school , enough with efforts to curb stem cell reasearch , etc
The Jews like to be left alone they're not trying to force their religion on the masses and same with the Muslims , they aren't pushing for daily Koran readings in class . Most people in the United States consider themselves Christians and they are going to take the heat for their actions .
And just in case you forgot the great forefathers of the great country wanted to get as far away from religion when they formed this country for a reason and while you think you're under some sort of attack , keep in mind the speration of church and state became with this country and for a while , like a virus the religious people have sickened this country and now rational thought used as an antibiotic is fixing that problem
I don't mind who you worship , pray to the flying spagetti monster if you want but keep your nonsense out of my life & govenment and that includs all religions.
IMO you clearly ARE offended. Your posts reek of rabid anti-Christian intolerance. Were you perhaps molested by a priest in your childhood?
I respect your right to be an atheist. And I won't ridicule your belief (or lack of belief), because (unlike far too many atheists I know) I'm humble enough to admit that I don't know all the answers for sure. Unlike so many double digit IQ atheists I know (no, not all atheists are dumb) in real life who are 100% certain they know that there is no God, no Higher Power, no life forms anywhere else in the universe, and that no one is smarter than them, I'm very open to the possibility that there are things possibly beyond my comprehension and understanding.
As an interesting sidebar, I always find it funny when a hardcore young atheist who has the universe all figured out is forced to move out of Mom's basement and deal with the real world for a year or two. If I had a dollar for each of these guys who eventually became an extreme "Born Again" Christian after having the real world kick their asses a little bit, I'd be quite wealthy.
Because of my acceptance of the fact that I do not know everything and am not the smartest being in the universe (and my general sense of proper etiquette in real life), I choose not to ridicule other's beliefs. I don't have the time or inclination to argue these possibilities for thousands of pages with you. I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that. But if you are so outwardly intolerant of Christianity and religion in real life, it's not hard to see why you have the time yourself.
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IMO you clearly ARE offended. Your posts reek of rabid anti-Christian intolerance. Were you perhaps molested by a priest in your childhood?
I respect your right to be an atheist. And I won't ridicule your belief (or lack of belief), because (unlike far too many atheists I know) I'm humble enough to admit that I don't know all the answers for sure. Unlike so many double digit IQ atheists I know (no, not all atheists are dumb) in real life who are 100% certain they know that there is no God, no Higher Power, no life forms anywhere else in the universe, and that no one is smarter than them, I'm very open to the possibility that there are things possibly beyond my comprehension and understanding.
As an interesting sidebar, I always find it funny when a hardcore young atheist who has the universe all figured out is forced to move out of Mom's basement and deal with the real world for a year or two. If I had a dollar for each of these guys who eventually became an extreme "Born Again" Christian after having the real world kick their asses a little bit, I'd be quite wealthy.
Because of my acceptance of the fact that I do not know everything and am not the smartest being in the universe (and my general sense of proper etiquette in real life), I choose not to ridicule other's beliefs. I don't have the time or inclination to argue these possibilities for thousands of pages with you. I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that. But if you are so outwardly intolerant of Christianity and religion in real life, it's not hard to see why you have the time yourself.
MO you clearly ARE offended. Your posts reek of rabid anti-Christian intolerance. Were you perhaps molested by a priest in your childhood?
Yawn , I'm very anit-theist , not Christianity all relgions are equal nonsense
I respect your right to be an atheist. And I won't ridicule your belief (or lack of belief), because (unlike far too many atheists I know) I'm humble enough to admit that I don't know all the answers for sure. Unlike so many double digit IQ atheists I know (no, not all atheists are dumb) in real life who are 100% certain they know that there is no God, no Higher Power, no life forms anywhere else in the universe, and that no one is smarter than them, I'm very open to the possibility that there are things possibly beyond my comprehension and understanding.
Atheism by virtue is without belief so to say Atheistism is a belief is like saying bald is a hair color. And I'll be first to admit I don't know everything but what I do know is science has proven their story of the creation of the universe false. And to put you in your place MESNA complied a study and found out that the smarter a person the less likely they are to be religious , so while you may know some stupid Atheists the majority are among the most educated and intelligent people in the United States . and the irony is almost all religions claim exactly what you're accusing me off , knowing all the answers lol remember I conted we're all Atheists , I just take it one God further ;)
As an interesting sidebar, I always find it funny when a hardcore young atheist who has the universe all figured out is forced to move out of Mom's basement and deal with the real world for a year or two. If I had a dollar for each of these guys who eventually became an extreme "Born Again" Christian after having the real world kick their asses a little bit, I'd be quite wealthy.
Once again you're dead wrong , I'm not young by any stretch of the imagination and I never figured out the universe , science has using evidence and not faith , and I haven't lived with my mom since I was 15 !!
Because of my acceptance of the fact that I do not know everything and am not the smartest being in the universe (and my general sense of proper etiquette in real life), I choose not to ridicule other's beliefs. I don't have the time or inclination to argue these possibilities for thousands of pages with you. I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that. But if you are so outwardly intolerant of Christianity and religion in real life, it's not hard to see why you have the time yourself.
Again I never claimed to be omnipotent , what I do know is the bible's version of how things happened is proveably wrong , and while you're choose not to " ridicule " others beliefs I choose to exercise my freedom of speech and laugh at your nonsense , of Virgins for mothers and ghosts for fathers , and burning bushes talking to people now those are funny stories
Once again you contradict yourself , you claim not to know everything yet in the same breathe accuse me of being ' outwardly intolerant " which unless you know me personally you're making a grave assumption and that is flat out wrong ;) I don't beat people who don't agree with me , I don't threaten them with a enternal damnation because they don't agree with me , I don't burn them at the stake , and I could go on and on but you get the point , then again you don't lol
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1) Who cares about "muslims, jews, etc" being offended by someone who follows another religion thanking his Messiah? It's not as if he was insulting Muslims or Jews by thanking Christ. People are WAY too easily offended these days.
2) Nowadays, if a Muslim thanks Mohamed, or homosexual thanks a gay activist, none of us "silent majority" types has any right or reason to be the least bit offended, according to the current liberal bias that is so prevalent. If they want to be accepted by all as legitimate, they need to stop being so damned hypersensitive and drop the sense of entitlement to special treatment and the expectation of being put upon pedestals.
3) It seems to me that Muslims, Jews, etc who would be offended (by a Christian giving thanks to his Messiah) are not very secure in themselves and their beliefs. If they were, they would be more tolerant and not be the least bit bothered.
By and large, it ain't the Muslims and Jews complaining about references to God/Jesus Christ. It's the humanist/atheist types who take it upon themselves to erroneously blubber, bleat, and whine, on their behalf.
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By and large, it ain't the Muslims and Jews complaining about references to God/Jesus Christ. It's the humanist/atheist types who take it upon themselves to erroneously blubber, bleat, and whine, on their behalf.
If Muslims wanted the term " One nation under Alah " in the pledge , atheists would be fighting to get that removed , so its NOT on any religions behalf that atheists want religion out its out of the first amendment .
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If Muslims wanted the term " One nation under Alah " in the pledge , atheists would be fighting to get that removed , so its NOT on any religions behalf that atheists want religion out its out of the first amendment .
You mean like those nice atheists who were having a cow, filing a lawsuit against the folks in Jacksonville, FL, because they were holding a rally (involving multiple faith) to curb the recent rashes of homicide in that city.
Or, the homeless guy in Austin, TX, who is somehow "offended" that the Ten Commandments is in the lawn of the government building. Perhaps, it's part of that 4th commandment, "...Six days shalt thou labor and work" that got on his nerves.
As for your "One nation under Allah" foolishness, this nation wasn't formed by followers of Islam. 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were Christians, like it or not.
Perhaps, instead of a stupid lawsult (which they will likely lose), the no-God squad (American Atheists) should have formed their own group: Heathens United to Stop Homicide (HUSH)!!
;D
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First of all I'm not offended that he thanks Jesus , I find it funny when people do that , its like thanking the easter bunny its laughable. And the reason that people as of late are speaking against Christianity is because they're trying to force their way into every part of the society in the United States and people have had enough , enough with the nonsense of intelligent design , enough with abortion , enough with prayer in school , enough with efforts to curb stem cell reasearch , etc
The Jews like to be left alone they're not trying to force their religion on the masses and same with the Muslims , they aren't pushing for daily Koran readings in class . Most people in the United States consider themselves Christians and they are going to take the heat for their actions .
And just in case you forgot the great forefathers of the great country wanted to get as far away from religion when they formed this country for a reason and while you think you're under some sort of attack , keep in mind the speration of church and state started with this country and for a while , like a virus the religious people have sickened this country and now rational thought used as an antibiotic is fixing that problem
I don't mind who you worship , pray to the flying spagetti monster if you want but keep your nonsense out of my life & govenment and that includs all religions.
You mean people of sick of gay activists trying to convince others (and themselves) that gay "marriage" is a civil right and homosexuality is normal (hence the state marriage amendments passing by an average of 70-30). They are also sick of their kids being picked on and persecuted for praying in schools (i.e. a valedictorian getting the mike cut off during her speech, because of the horrific crime of thanking God for her success, kids actually mentioning Jesus at Christmas time...THE HORROR!!!!). Intelligent Design? Despite being force-fed "Goo to you by way of the zoo!" (aka evolution), nearly half of citizens polled still ain't buying it.
Stem-Cell research? Last time I checked, only ONE type of such research was being blocked: embryonic stem cell research. All we hear about is the potential of such work. But, as the saying goes, potential don't buy the groceries. There are various other types of stem cell research that work wonders, WITHOUT the ethical scenarios involves. But, certain folks would have you believe that the only reason that people are still stuck in wheelchairs, plaqued with Alzheimers, etc. is because them mean ol' conservative Christians won't support politicians who want the government to foot the bill to let them hack up embryos at will.
"Separation of church and state" is the biggest LIE in American history. Atheists and liberals took a phrase by Thomas Jefferson, which he gave in a letter to a Baptist Church, took it WAAAAAAAAYYYYY out of context, and they've been running amok ever since then.
However, based on the recent rashes of defeats that groups like the ACLU, People For the American Way, etc. have been dealt, the courts have had enough of frivilous lawsuits by the religiously paranoid.
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Ronnie & his theme song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWBq7IQLv0&mode=related&search (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWBq7IQLv0&mode=related&search)
In the name of Jesus! ;D Come on guys, he's just doing what the Lord wants him to do... sheesh ::)
Great video of one of the best doing his thing.
The guy was and still is pretty awesome. He stood on the top of the bodybuilding mountain for nearly a decade..he may not be done , yet?He still has that mass and can handle unGODLY wts with ease. No matter, that quick video is a vivid reminder of just how great a bodybuilder he is, even if he never competes again. At 42 he is NOT washed up, just not at his all time best.
As for his faith, that is his business.
Howard
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You mean like those nice atheists who were having a cow, filing a lawsuit against the folks in Jacksonville, FL, because they were holding a rally (involving multiple faith) to curb the recent rashes of homicide in that city.
Or, the homeless guy in Austin, TX, who is somehow "offended" that the Ten Commandments is in the lawn of the government building. Perhaps, it's part of that 4th commandment, "...Six days shalt thou labor and work" that got on his nerves.
As for your "One nation under Allah" foolishness, this nation wasn't formed by followers of Islam. 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were Christians, like it or not.
Perhaps, instead of a stupid lawsult (which they will likely lose), the no-God squad (American Atheists) should have formed their own group: Heathens United to Stop Homicide (HUSH)!!
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It feels like taking candy from a baby ;) you ever hear of the Treaty of Tripoli?
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion so much for you theory of this being a christian nation ! you claim 52 of the 55 singers were christians is nonsense most were deists NOT Christians deists , most in fact were very critical of the Christian religion , Thomas Jefferson even rewrote the new testament sans all miracles of course , so know history before you comment.
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You mean people of sick of gay activists trying to convince others (and themselves) that gay "marriage" is a civil right and homosexuality is normal (hence the state marriage amendments passing by an average of 70-30). They are also sick of their kids being picked on and persecuted for praying in schools (i.e. a valedictorian getting the mike cut off during her speech, because of the horrific crime of thanking God for her success, kids actually mentioning Jesus at Christmas time...THE HORROR!!!!). Intelligent Design? Despite being force-fed "Goo to you by way of the zoo!" (aka evolution), nearly half of citizens polled still ain't buying it.
Stem-Cell research? Last time I checked, only ONE type of such research was being blocked: embryonic stem cell research. All we hear about is the potential of such work. But, as the saying goes, potential don't buy the groceries. There are various other types of stem cell research that work wonders, WITHOUT the ethical scenarios involves. But, certain folks would have you believe that the only reason that people are still stuck in wheelchairs, plaqued with Alzheimers, etc. is because them mean ol' conservative Christians won't support politicians who want the government to foot the bill to let them hack up embryos at will.
"Separation of church and state" is the biggest LIE in American history. Atheists and liberals took a phrase by Thomas Jefferson, which he gave in a letter to a Baptist Church, took it WAAAAAAAAYYYYY out of context, and they've been running amok ever since then.
However, based on the recent rashes of defeats that groups like the ACLU, People For the American Way, etc. have been dealt, the courts have had enough of frivilous lawsuits by the religiously paranoid.
You mean people of sick of gay activists trying to convince others (and themselves) that gay "marriage" is a civil right and homosexuality is normal (hence the state marriage amendments passing by an average of 70-30). They are also sick of their kids being picked on and persecuted for praying in schools (i.e. a valedictorian getting the mike cut off during her speech, because of the horrific crime of thanking God for her success, kids actually mentioning Jesus at Christmas time...THE HORROR!!!!). Intelligent Design? Despite being force-fed "Goo to you by way of the zoo!" (aka evolution), nearly half of citizens polled still ain't buying it.
Those who deny gay marriage as a right are Anti-American , gay people are tax paying members of the United States and should recieve every right that anyone is , its discrimination plain & simple ! homosexuality is normal its be around since man has , and its been around a long time before your nonsense bible condemned it .
Prayer in school isn't prevented just mandatory prayer is and your kids are allowed to pray silently , no one can stop them from doing that and if God is as so great as you claim he is I'm sure he'd be able to hear them just the same
Intelligent Design is Christian Creationism just repacked and its junk-science , faith-based scripture-based nonsense , Evolution is a fact , plain and simple there are mountians of evidence to suport it and if you want your children to pray in school , and learn junk-science , and kiss God's ass all day long , feel free to enroll them in a religious school , because I don't want my tax dollars spent on nonsense.
Stem-Cell research? Last time I checked, only ONE type of such research was being blocked: embryonic stem cell research. All we hear about is the potential of such work. But, as the saying goes, potential don't buy the groceries. There are various other types of stem cell research that work wonders, WITHOUT the ethical scenarios involves. But, certain folks would have you believe that the only reason that people are still stuck in wheelchairs, plaqued with Alzheimers, etc. is because them mean ol' conservative Christians won't support politicians who want the government to foot the bill to let them hack up embryos at will.
The funding for embryonic stem cell reserach is being prevented and Christians wont prevent it , its going to happen and when all the bennefits are available Christians will be lining up in droves to reap them , this is just another example of Religion trying to prevent science and you've failed once again
"Separation of church and state" is the biggest LIE in American history. Atheists and liberals took a phrase by Thomas Jefferson, which he gave in a letter to a Baptist Church, took it WAAAAAAAAYYYYY out of context, and they've been running amok ever since then.
However, based on the recent rashes of defeats that groups like the ACLU, People For the American Way, etc. have been dealt, the courts have had enough of frivilous lawsuits by the religiously paranoid.
Sure it is ::) lol the Fore fathers had the sense back then to make sure your nonsense didn't impead of the state again , they all left England for that very reason , just like your noation this was a Christian-based country ::) and the funny part is Atheists are the ones who feel their under attack its the religious right who does , always complaining about how Christianity is under attack talk about irony the biggest offenders of attacks and wars for the past 2000 years and your under attack lol what a joke
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It feels like taking candy from a baby ;) you ever hear of the Treaty of Tripoli?
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion so much for you theory of this being a christian nation ! you claim 52 of the 55 singers were christians is nonsense most were deists NOT Christians deists , most in fact were very critical of the Christian religion , Thomas Jefferson even rewrote the new testament sans all miracles of course , so know history before you comment.
Is that right? Let's see:
Episcopalian/Anglican 32
Congregationalist 13
Presbyterian 12
Quaker 2
Unitarian or Universalist 2
Catholic 1
You might want to take your own advice:
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Those who deny gay marriage as a right are Anti-American , gay people are tax paying members of the United States and should recieve every right that anyone is , its discrimination plain & simple ! homosexuality is normal its be around since man has , and its been around a long time before your nonsense bible condemned it .
Prayer in school isn't prevented just mandatory prayer is and your kids are allowed to pray silently , no one can stop them from doing that and if God is as so great as you claim he is I'm sure he'd be able to hear them just the same
Intelligent Design is Christian Creationism just repacked and its junk-science , faith-based scripture-based nonsense , Evolution is a fact , plain and simple there are mountians of evidence to suport it and if you want your children to pray in school , and learn junk-science , and kiss God's ass all day long , feel free to enroll them in a religious school , because I don't want my tax dollars spent on nonsense.
The funding for embryonic stem cell reserach is being prevented and Christians wont prevent it , its going to happen and when all the bennefits are available Christians will be lining up in droves to reap them , this is just another example of Religion trying to prevent science and you've failed once again
Sure it is ::) lol the Fore fathers had the sense back then to make sure your nonsense didn't impead of the state again , they all left England for that very reason , just like your noation this was a Christian-based country ::) and the funny part is Atheists are the ones who feel their under attack its the religious right who does , always complaining about how Christianity is under attack talk about irony the biggest offenders of attacks and wars for the past 2000 years and your under attack lol what a joke
Their rights are the same as anybody else. With the exception of one state, marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Homosexuality has been around a long time, and it's been recognized as immoral for a long time as well. What's your point?
It doesn't matter if you're as gay as the day is long, if you wish to get married, your spouse must be of the OPPOSITE sex, period.
When you can show someone evolving from a puddle of goo, then you can claim that evolution is fact. Till then, you have a myriad of speculation, fueled by materialistic/naturalistic scientists, many of whom had FLAT OUT ADMITTED that evolution was deliberately derived to have a godless explanation for life on this planet.
As far as stem cell research is concerned, embryonic stem cell research has produced cures to absolutely NOTHING. Other forms of stem cell research are curing disease TODAY, right now, with virtually none of the ethical controversies.
The reason that the founding fathers left England is so that they can practice their religious beliefs WILLINGLY, not by mandate of the government. Said another way, if the founding fathers want a Christian nation, they can have it by reason of their ballot.
In other words, they acknowledges God in government BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO, not because they had to do so.
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So the Big Bang didn't happen huh? lol please do me a favor , subimt your thesis to a scientifc peer reveiw and , when you win the Nobel Prize I'll be the first to polish your medals ;)
PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR AND SUBMIT YOUR PROOF A BIG BANG HAPPENED....
AS IT STANDS NO PROOF EXISTS.
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Is that right? Let's see:
Episcopalian/Anglican 32
Congregationalist 13
Presbyterian 12
Quaker 2
Unitarian or Universalist 2
Catholic 1
You might want to take your own advice:
Show me your proof for these claims !
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Their rights are the same as anybody else. With the exception of one state, marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Homosexuality has been around a long time, and it's been recognized as immoral for a long time as well. What's your point?
It doesn't matter if you're as gay as the day is long, if you wish to get married, your spouse must be of the OPPOSITE sex, period.
When you can show someone evolving from a puddle of goo, then you can claim that evolution is fact. Till then, you have a myriad of speculation, fueled by materialistic/naturalistic scientists, many of whom had FLAT OUT ADMITTED that evolution was deliberately derived to have a godlessthey learn what happened when yopu mix c explanation for life on this planet.
As far as stem cell research is concerned, embryonic stem cell research has produced cures to absolutely NOTHING. Other forms of stem cell research are curing disease TODAY, right now, with virtually none of the ethical controversies.
The reason that the founding fathers left England is so that they can practice their religious beliefs WILLINGLY, not by mandate of the government. Said another way, if the founding fathers want a Christian nation, they can have it by reason of their ballot.
In other words, they acknowledges God in government BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO, not because they had to do so.
Their rights are the same as anybody else. With the exception of one state, marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Homosexuality has been around a long time, and it's been recognized as immoral for a long time as well. What's your point?
It doesn't matter if you're as gay as the day is long, if you wish to get married, your spouse must be of the OPPOSITE sex, period.
No thier rights aren't the same as everyone else they're being prevented from getting married and I don't care what they define marriage as , they also used to define Africans as property does that mean they anything? and its been recognized as imoral by religion and we don't run own govenment by thier interpretation of morality.
As far as stem cell research is concerned, embryonic stem cell research has produced cures to absolutely NOTHING. Other forms of stem cell research are curing disease TODAY, right now, with virtually none of the ethical controversies.
assuming you're right and just because they haven't produced anything YET doesn't mean they wont soon , and please spare your nonsense of ethics thats religion trying to stick their nose into everyone else business as usual .
The reason that the founding fathers left England is so that they can practice their religious beliefs WILLINGLY, not by mandate of the government. Said another way, if the founding fathers want a Christian nation, they can have it by reason of their ballot.
Again refer to the Treaty of Tripoli which says this country was NOT founded upon the Christian religion.
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You guys who are religious need to understand that your point of views are matter of faith and not matter of fact.
There is 0 - absolutely 0 - evidence to prove any of what you are saying. That is the point of FAITH. So don't push it on me like it's fact.
If I believed that Star Wars exists on another galaxy I wouldn't be telling you it is fact.
I don't have time to read through these posts on this.....but Matt is truly cluless!
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PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR AND SUBMIT YOUR PROOF A BIG BANG HAPPENED....
AS IT STANDS NO PROOF EXISTS.
Oh you're mistaken there is proof of the big bang and scientists can trace it back to 4 pico-seconds after it happened ! unlike the story of an God who created everything in six days lol
The origin of the Big Bang theory can be credited to Edwin Hubble. Hubble made the observation that the universe is continuously expanding. He discovered that a galaxys velocity is proportional to its distance. Galaxies that are twice as far from us move twice as fast. Another consequence is that the universe is expanding in every direction. This observation means that it has taken every galaxy the same amount of time to move from a common starting position to its current position. Just as the Big Bang provided for the foundation of the universe, Hubbles observations provided for the foundation of the Big Bang theory.
Since the Big Bang, the universe has been continuously expanding and, thus, there has been more and more distance between clusters of galaxies. This phenomenon of galaxies moving farther away from each other is known as the red shift. As light from distant galaxies approach earth there is an increase of space between earth and the galaxy, which leads to wavelengths being stretched.
In addition to the understanding of the velocity of galaxies emanating from a single point, there is further evidence for the Big Bang. In 1964, two astronomers, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, in an attempt to detect microwaves from outer space, inadvertently discovered a noise of extraterrestrial origin. The noise did not seem to emanate from one location but instead, it came from all directions at once. It became obvious that what they heard was radiation from the farthest reaches of the universe which had been left over from the Big Bang. This discovery of the radioactive aftermath of the initial explosion lent much credence to the Big Bang theory.
Even more recently, NASAs COBE satellite was able to detect cosmic microwaves eminating from the outer reaches of the universe. These microwaves were remarkably uniform which illustrated the homogenity of the early stages of the universe. However, the satillite also discovered that as the universe began to cool and was still expanding, small fluctuations began to exist due to temperature differences. These flucuatuations verified prior calculations of the possible cooling and development of the universe just fractions of a second after its creation. These fluctuations in the universe provided a more detailed description of the first moments after the Big Bang. They also helped to tell the story of the formation of galaxies which will be discussed in the next chapter.
So ask and yee shall recieve ;)
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That's how them Texan's roll
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Science isn't truth. Science is looking at all the empirical data and finding the best working model to explain these phenomena. The big bang is a theory - just like the theory of gravity or the theory of relativity - just like the theories which are used to create medicines and new technology.
The point is - the big bang is the best explanation given the evidence we have. Science is uncovering new things all the time and we don't have all the answers yet - does this mean a viable alternative is to just make things up and believe them?
In that case, I contend that a giant spaghetti monster created the universe. Can you prove this isn't true? Nope - so it must be true then!!
Because I disagree with you? If religion was a matter of fact, why would faith be needed? Faith is needed because there is no evidence. That's why they call it faith.
Give me your evidence if you have any though. I'm all ears.
Just out of curiosity, what sort of "evidence" would you Enlightened Ones accept as possibility that you may not be totally right for once and that there just might be some sort of Higher Power out there - Mathematical formulas? Miracles? Photographs? What sort of evidence would be acceptable?
BTW, I am probably more "agnostic" than anything myself. I just think that Christians get a bad rap these days - not all Christians burn people at stakes. And as I've alluded to earlier, I think that far too many (not all) atheists are obnoxious, insensitive, socially inappropriate, closeminded, sheltered, pseudo-intellectual, elitist, Communist homosexuals... ;D
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Just out of curiosity, what sort of "evidence" would you Enlightened Ones accept as possibility that you may not be totally right for once and that there just might be some sort of Higher Power out there - Mathematical formulas? Miracles? Photographs? What sort of evidence would be acceptable?
BTW, I am probably more "agnostic" than anything myself. I just think that Christians get a bad rap these days - not all Christians burn people at stakes. And as I've alluded to earlier, I think that far too many (not all) atheists are obnoxious, insensitive, socially inappropriate, closeminded, sheltered, pseudo-intellectual, elitist, Communist homosexuals... ;D
I laughed out loud when I read " closeminded " that was cute . :)
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I am an agnostic, although ND will roast me alive for saying that lol.
I can't prove there is no higher power and I don't think that there definitely is no higher power. I'm just willing to admit that I don't have all the answers in life and I don't resort to believing things for comfort. I WISH I could just believe in a higher power and get an everlasting wonderful afterlife - that would be great. But wishing it doesn't make it so. It's pretty sad to me that death may be nothingness, but I would definitely prefer that over the psychotic concept of hell. No loving deity would send its own creation to hell, especially when they didn't do anything wrong. The idea of sending an aborigine to hell who didn't even hear of Christianity is reprehensible and outright disgusting. That means a Christian living in the USA will go to heaven and the aborigine will go to hell just by luck of the draw. This is simply disgusting.
I think the Christian god is a despicable creation by man - I'm disgusted by that concept just as much as I am disgusted by other fictional characters - like Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs for example. A truly loving god would not send his own creation to hell knowing in advance they were going there - why was I created then?
I don't think most Christians will ever "get" the concept of omnipotence. If they did, they would never be able to reconcile all of the attributes of their god without severe cognitive dissonance.
Matt there are millions of things science can't disprove but does that make them true. We can't disprove Odin and his son Thor the God of Thunder does that mean they exist? or do we have to be A-Thorists ? of course not , the same holds true for all sorts of fairy tales and deities yet we pay no attention to them .
Technically we all have to be ' agnostic ' because none of us are omipotent but like the other stories created by men the probability of their story being correct is about as good as the ones of Hercules and we would all laugh if someone started a church of Herculese are starting going door-to-door telling the good new of their savior and Christianity's story is just as absrurd
The ironic part is we all have to be ' agnostic ' with the exception of Religions , which are all athesits of everyone elses God(s) so I just take my atheism one God further !! Remember the Romans who were feeding Christians to the lions used to say " away with these atheists " so when a religious person says there are no such things as atheists they expose themselves as being just like you .
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When all is said and done, I admit I don't have the answers though - maybe there is a creator to the universe? It leaves just as much unanswered as just about any other explanation! In short - we as a civilization do not know much.
According to the law of conservation of mass and enegry , matter cannot be created or destroyed , therefore that excludes a creator ! the universe has always been in one form or another.
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OK so if 2 pro athletes pray to the same God to give them the strength to be the best and to win which one does he choose? The one with the best abs or the one with the most striated glutes? Praying to god for sporting events and thanking him for the victory is ridiculous.
Gods Quote:
Oh Ronnie looks spectacular today, but Jay is just a little tighter and drier Hmmm, well Jay did ask first OK Ronnie will now be smooth and holding water"
Is this how he works for sporting events. How about people praying to God that the Ball splits the uprights? Who does he choose the team wanting it to go through or the team wanting it to go wide right? Again POINTLESS!!!!!
Just my 2 cents!!!!
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YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT...
SCIENTIST IN ALL OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT THE WEATHER WILL BE LIKE TOMORROW WITH ANY DEGREE OF ACCURACY AND YOU BELIEVE THIS NONSENSE THEY SPEW.
SO FAR AS AN EMPIRACL FACTS...THE ONLY WAY THEIR SO CALL FACTS CAN BE CORRECT IS IF YOU BELIEVE THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED WITH A BIG BANG (DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY) AND BECAUSE OF THIS EVERYTHING BEGAN AT ONE POINT AND SPED AWAY FROM THIS POINT AT A GIVEN SPEED. WITH THIS BELIEF THE DISTANCES THE PLANETS AND GALAXIES ARE FROM ONE ANOTHER AND A SUPPOSED CENTRAL POINT IS DETERMINED TO BE SO MANY TRILLIONS OF LIGHT YEARS BASED ON THE SPEED OF LIGHT AND THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THIS LIGHT TO REACH EARTH. BUT TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE GALAXIES DID NOT START IN A CENTRAL POINT (BIG BANG) BUT WAS BEGAN IN VARIOUS PLACES THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE AT THE SAME TIME!!! THIS TOTALLY KILLS THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE HYPOTHYSIS, KILLS THE WHOLE TIME SCENARIO AND SINCE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS REALLY IN SPACE, NO ONE REALLY CAN SAY WITH ASSURITY WHAT HAPPENS TO LIGHT AS IT TRAVELS THROUGH SPACE (BETWEEN GALAXIES). SO ANY SCIENTIFIC "FACTS" CAN AT BEST BE FLAWED WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNIVERSE.
I WILL STICK WITH MY BELIEF IN GOD AND HIS WISDOM, BECAUSE MAN AT BEST IS A RAGING LUNATIC IN COMPARISON. THE UNIVERSE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IS ONLY 13000 YEARS OLD COMING UP ON 14000 YEARS AND NOTHING HAS PROVED OTHERWISE OR DISPROVED THE BIBLE.
Perhaps you are not familiar with the red vs blue shift of light from various galaxies and stars as seen thru a spectrometer? Due you discount this emperical data along with the many radiometric ageing of various rocks here on the earth as well as the half life for Uranium 238?
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I laughed out loud when I read " closeminded " that was cute . :)
Well, I have a feeling that if most aethists I've known in real life (and online) ever found themselves in a hypothetical situation where a God emerged and revealed himself to the world, most atheists would cling to the idea that there is still no evidence of a God.
I recall reading in the newspaper some 15-20 years ago about a guy not too far from me who was on a small private boat in the river with a friend and their two girlfriends. They were all arguing about religion. The one guy was a very vocal atheist. He stood up in the boat and yelled "if there is a God, may he strike me down now!". The kid was instantly killed by a bolt of lightning.
I'm sure it was just an incredible coincidence. But I'm also sure that the article strongly reinforced the beliefs of many who read it, and may have even swung a few converts. And if it was to happen to two or more different people one after another in the same place who said the same thing, I think most people would probably see this as something more incredible than a succession of extremely unlikely coincidences. Of course there are no doubt a few people who would spend their entire lives searching for some sort of scientific explanation. But then again, what are the odds of such a thing happening anyway?
BTW, as far as intelligence (earlier you seemed to think that I was referring to you as a member of the young, below average intellect, know-it-all, Mothers' basements dwelling atheists - I was not) I've known PhD's with highly specialized scientific educations and very high IQs who fall on both sides of the eternal debate. Those who either believed in a God or who didn't appear to be flippant about the possible existence of a God could speak intelligently at length as to why they believed what they did. Those who are closeminded to the possibility seem to offer nothing but smug sarcasm and a request for evidence, and don't seem to be able to come up with what acceptable criteria for evidence would be. Just my experience.
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I am an agnostic, although ND will roast me alive for saying that lol.
I can't prove there is no higher power and I don't think that there definitely is no higher power. I'm just willing to admit that I don't have all the answers in life and I don't resort to believing things for comfort. I WISH I could just believe in a higher power and get an everlasting wonderful afterlife - that would be great. But wishing it doesn't make it so. It's pretty sad to me that death may be nothingness, but I would definitely prefer that over the psychotic concept of hell. No loving deity would send its own creation to hell, especially when they didn't do anything wrong. The idea of sending an aborigine to hell who didn't even hear of Christianity is reprehensible and outright disgusting. That means a Christian living in the USA will go to heaven and the aborigine will go to hell just by luck of the draw. This is simply disgusting.
I think the Christian god is a despicable creation by man - I'm disgusted by that concept just as much as I am disgusted by other fictional characters - like Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs for example. A truly loving god would not send his own creation to hell knowing in advance they were going there - why was I created then?
I don't think most Christians will ever "get" the concept of omnipotence. If they did, they would never be able to reconcile all of the attributes of their god without severe cognitive dissonance.
Believe it or not, I am largely in agreement with your above points regarding many traditional Christian beliefs. I find the idea of an angry God (who dooms millions of souls to eternal hell for no other crime other than not even being aware of His existence) to be quite frightening at first thought and very hard to swallow upon second thought.
Virtually all of my family and many of my friends throughout my life have been Christian to a certain degree, although most not anywhere near "extremist" types. But things like what you mention regarding some of the apparent irrationality of traditional Christianity turned me off to organized religion at an early age.
But I suppose my willingness to accept that there may be or is some sort of higher power comes not only from my upbringing and friendships throughout my life, but also from what seems to be the uncanny knack I have for having incredibly good luck (being "blessed", if you will) regarding things beyond my control.
I spent many years in my teens and early adult years living a very "crazy", self destructive lifestyle, yet managed to walk away virtually unscathed, whereas many of my friends wound up with drinking problems, DUI's (and sometimes other criminal offenses), failed marriages, unwanted children, etc.
I've also made some bad career / business decisions, taken some incredible (often unwise) risks, and thought I was heading for bankruptcy / financial ruin on more than one occasion, yet things always seemed to fall into place at zero hour - often seemingly "magically". I don't know how to explain it other than to say I almost feel as though the old cliche of "someone looking out for me" applies here. Or maybe I'm just very lucky - I've lost track long ago of the number of times I should have died... ;D
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I just watched the press conference clip that was posted. He mentions Jesus and God everytime he's interviewed.
Doesn't he understand that some people (muslims, jews, etc) may be offended when he says "Our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ"?
or is he stupid?
The very reason why he was Mr O 8 times was his Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ...utterly negligent and wrong not to mention and thank Him profusely.
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Well, I have a feeling that if most aethists I've known in real life (and online) ever found themselves in a hypothetical situation where a God emerged and revealed himself to the world, most atheists would cling to the idea that there is still no evidence of a God.
I recall reading in the newspaper some 15-20 years ago about a guy not too far from me who was on a small private boat in the river with a friend and their two girlfriends. They were all arguing about religion. The one guy was a very vocal atheist. He stood up in the boat and yelled "if there is a God, may he strike me down now!". The kid was instantly killed by a bolt of lightning.
I'm sure it was just an incredible coincidence. But I'm also sure that the article strongly reinforced the beliefs of many who read it, and may have even swung a few converts. And if it was to happen to two or more different people one after another in the same place who said the same thing, I think most people would probably see this as something more incredible than a succession of extremely unlikely coincidences. Of course there are no doubt a few people who would spend their entire lives searching for some sort of scientific explanation. But then again, what are the odds of such a thing happening anyway?
BTW, as far as intelligence (earlier you seemed to think that I was referring to you as a member of the young, below average intellect, know-it-all, Mothers' basements dwelling atheists - I was not) I've known PhD's with highly specialized scientific educations and very high IQs who fall on both sides of the eternal debate. Those who either believed in a God or who didn't appear to be flippant about the possible existence of a God could speak intelligently at length as to why they believed what they did. Those who are closeminded to the possibility seem to offer nothing but smug sarcasm and a request for evidence, and don't seem to be able to come up with what acceptable criteria for evidence would be. Just my experience.
Well, I have a feeling that if most aethists I've known in real life (and online) ever found themselves in a hypothetical situation where a God emerged and revealed himself to the world, most atheists would cling to the idea that there is still no evidence of a God.
Reminds me of a t-shirt " If Jesus comes back we'll just kill him again " if Jesus ( God to the Christains ) comes back he'll be in the mental ward trying to convince everyone he really is Jesus
I recall reading in the newspaper some 15-20 years ago about a guy not too far from me who was on a small private boat in the river with a friend and their two girlfriends. They were all arguing about religion. The one guy was a very vocal atheist. He stood up in the boat and yelled "if there is a God, may he strike me down now!". The kid was instantly killed by a bolt of lightning.
I'm sure it was just an incredible coincidence. But I'm also sure that the article strongly reinforced the beliefs of many who read it, and may have even swung a few converts. And if it was to happen to two or more different people one after another in the same place who said the same thing, I think most people would probably see this as something more incredible than a succession of extremely unlikely coincidences. Of course there are no doubt a few people who would spend their entire lives searching for some sort of scientific explanation. But then again, what are the odds of such a thing happening anyway?
This is the biggest load of garbage I've ever heard , reminds me of the ' debate ' about prayer I had with a Christian who insisted prayer works and she needed exactly $516.00 for something and was penniless and sure enough after praying real hard she recieved a check in the mail for exactly $516.00 and I like I told her nonsense. and if it reinforced their belief then it shows how many stupid people there are in the world , seriously , people are stupid , they did a study and 75% of Americans believe in Angels , this is true lol they believe in an human-looking creatures with bird wings that make sure you can find your car keys ! I mean what the fuck?
BTW, as far as intelligence (earlier you seemed to think that I was referring to you as a member of the young, below average intellect, know-it-all, Mothers' basements dwelling atheists - I was not) I've known PhD's with highly specialized scientific educations and very high IQs who fall on both sides of the eternal debate. Those who either believed in a God or who didn't appear to be flippant about the possible existence of a God could speak intelligently at length as to why they believed what they did. Those who are closeminded to the possibility seem to offer nothing but smug sarcasm and a request for evidence, and don't seem to be able to come up with what acceptable criteria for evidence would be. Just my experience.
Don't insult my intelligence , seriously you were most certainly referring to me as the young angry atheist and you commited without knowing and looked really stupid in the process , so let that be a lesson about making umbrella statements. and you also insinuated atheists have low IQs which I proved you wrong , hell just take a look at peoples beliefs in angels , and again you generalize atheists as smug , but its organized religions that are smug and arrogant , in their beliefs that they alone have the answer , and my God alone is the correct God and if you don't follow our story you'll burn forever etc. You say its been your " personal experience " that most atheists are smug , low IQ and closeminded and its ironic because you've described most Religions in my ' experience '
And we can't come up with any acceptable criteria for the existence of God? how about the criteria science uses?
Scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena and acquiring new knowledge, as well as for correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on observable, empirical, measurable evidence, and subject to laws of reasoning.
I know this criteria is a little more strict than faith but its the best we have and if you could solve this one the Nodel prize surely awaits and you're going to have a bitch of a time with the conservation of mass/enegry so good luck. ;)
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Reminds me of a t-shirt " If Jesus comes back we'll just kill him again " if Jesus ( God to the Christains ) comes back he'll be in the mental ward trying to convince everyone he really is Jesus
This is the biggest load of garbage I've ever heard , reminds me of the ' debate ' about prayer I had with a Christian who insisted prayer works and she needed exactly $516.00 for something and was penniless and sure enough after praying real hard she recieved a check in the mail for exactly $516.00 and I like I told her nonsense. and if it reinforced their belief then it shows how many stupid people there are in the world , seriously , people are stupid , they did a study and 75% of Americans believe in Angels , this is true lol they believe in an human-looking creatures with bird wings that make sure you can find your car keys ! I mean what the f**k?
Don't insult my intelligence , seriously you were most certainly referring to me as the young angry atheist and you commited without knowing and looked really stupid in the process , so let that be a lesson about making umbrella statements. and you also insinuated atheists have low IQs which I proved you wrong , hell just take a look at peoples beliefs in angels , and again you generalize atheists as smug , but its organized religions that are smug and arrogant , in their beliefs that they alone have the answer , and my God alone is the correct God and if you don't follow our story you'll burn forever etc. You say its been your " personal experience " that most atheists are smug , low IQ and closeminded and its ironic because you've described most Religions in my ' experience '
And we can't come up with any acceptable criteria for the existence of God? how about the criteria science uses?
Scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena and acquiring new knowledge, as well as for correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on observable, empirical, measurable evidence, and subject to laws of reasoning.
I know this criteria is a little more strict than faith but its the best we have and if you could solve this one the Nodel prize surely awaits and you're going to have a bitch of a time with the conservation of mass/enegry so good luck. ;)
The only thing logical in any of this is your obvious cut and paste of the scientific method. You are either a gimmick account who has nothing better to do than attempt to start ridiculous arguments where no arguments exist, or a completely paranoid lunatic.
In the unlikely event you in fact are real (perish the thought), it is apparent to me that you will argue and find fault with anything anyone posts who you think is the least bit not in total agreement with your warped, rigid, paranoid views. It is clear that you will go out of your way to dismiss anything I say as "bullshit" (even when it is clearly true), and (if you are real) entertain paranoid fantasies of persecution in your warped mind of me "attacking" you. All because I don't think exactly like you do on a particular subject. I have remained civilized and tried to have a peaceful discussion with others (and you, to a lesser extent, unfortunately - I won't make that mistake again). You rant and rave of paranoid conspiracies on my part, and clearly have no intention of a civilized discussion. And you never did answer my question about the Koran.
I will no longer respond to you on this thread or any other, as you are either a gimmick with a lot of free time, or a complete nutjob. And I would appreciate if you did the same to me from now on. In fact, it would probably be best for the world (and taxpayers) if an obvious waste of a load such as yourself was to cease to exist at this very moment. But I doubt we'll be so lucky.
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Wether one believes it or not, BASTucci Christ is OUR(mankind) savior. It's just reality. Not my opinion just the way it is. Notice...earth is under RULE of satan...Jesus or God is the only name(s) that makes such a controversial issue...children can be expelled or kicked out of school for saying 'Merry Christmas' now...it is almost illegal to say 'God' or 'Jesus' in public now...why is it that 'Jesus' is the only name that causes 'reaction' or action to be put in motion?
Muhammed, Budah, Allah...get no laws and codes against them...it offends NOBODY because only TRUTH does.
I aint no Bible thumper but there is only 1 God, bottom line and wether you believe it or not it's true!
muhammad, and allah are both from islam numb nuts.
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The only thing logical in any of this is your obvious cut and paste of the scientific method. You are either a gimmick account who has nothing better to do than attempt to start ridiculous arguments where no arguments exist, or a completely paranoid lunatic.
In the unlikely event you in fact are real (perish the thought), it is apparent to me that you will argue and find fault with anything anyone posts who you think is the least bit not in total agreement with your warped, rigid, paranoid views. It is clear that you will go out of your way to dismiss anything I say as "bullshit" (even when it is clearly true), and (if you are real) entertain paranoid fantasies of persecution in your warped mind of me "attacking" you. All because I don't think exactly like you do on a particular subject. I have remained civilized and tried to have a peaceful discussion with others (and you, to a lesser extent, unfortunately - I won't make that mistake again). You rant and rave of paranoid conspiracies on my part, and clearly have no intention of a civilized discussion. And you never did answer my question about the Koran.
I will no longer respond to you on this thread or any other, as you are either a gimmick with a lot of free time, or a complete nutjob. And I would appreciate if you did the same to me from now on. In fact, it would probably be best for the world (and taxpayers) if an obvious waste of a load such as yourself was to cease to exist at this very moment. But I doubt we'll be so lucky.
M-E-L-T-D-O-W-N ;)
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He kills arabs on stage though.
i just fell off my exercise ball... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No thier rights aren't the same as everyone else they're being prevented from getting married and I don't care what they define marriage as , they also used to define Africans as property does that mean they anything? and its been recognized as imoral by religion and we don't run own govenment by thier interpretation of morality.
assuming you're right and just because they haven't produced anything YET doesn't mean they wont soon , and please spare your nonsense of ethics thats religion trying to stick their nose into everyone else business as usual .
Again refer to the Treaty of Tripoli which says this country was NOT founded upon the Christian religion.
great posts, ND, these religious bigots will use the bible for any discrimination they see fit.
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Ronnie Coleman did not have foreknowledge of the 911 attacks.
So no, he is not GWB.
What about Clinton?
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What about Clinton?
What about clinton? Clinton also helped sustain bin laden's ability to do evil shit.
But it's coming out now that the White house knew 911 was coming and did nothing. Whether gross incompetence, or "let it happen", it needs to be looked at.
have ya seen the pre-attack intel that was ignored? LOL.. the german ambassador called Bush directly, 5 weeks before 911, gave him details of the attacks. Bush said 'thanks, we're aware of it' and that was it. later, we asked the german govt to not comment on that phone call, but they had already announced that they clearly warned us.
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What about clinton? Clinton also helped sustain bin laden's ability to do evil shit.
But it's coming out now that the White house knew 911 was coming and did nothing. Whether gross incompetence, or "let it happen", it needs to be looked at.
have ya seen the pre-attack intel that was ignored? LOL.. the german ambassador called Bush directly, 5 weeks before 911, gave him details of the attacks. Bush said 'thanks, we're aware of it' and that was it. later, we asked the german govt to not comment on that phone call, but they had already announced that they clearly warned us.
I don't think they WANTED it to happen, but both Clinton and Bush were lazy. In all actuality, Bin Laden got lucky with the buildings collapsing.
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I am an agnostic, although ND will roast me alive for saying that lol.
I can't prove there is no higher power and I don't think that there definitely is no higher power. I'm just willing to admit that I don't have all the answers in life and I don't resort to believing things for comfort. I WISH I could just believe in a higher power and get an everlasting wonderful afterlife - that would be great. But wishing it doesn't make it so. It's pretty sad to me that death may be nothingness, but I would definitely prefer that over the psychotic concept of hell. No loving deity would send its own creation to hell, especially when they didn't do anything wrong. The idea of sending an aborigine to hell who didn't even hear of Christianity is reprehensible and outright disgusting. That means a Christian living in the USA will go to heaven and the aborigine will go to hell just by luck of the draw. This is simply disgusting.
I think the Christian god is a despicable creation by man - I'm disgusted by that concept just as much as I am disgusted by other fictional characters - like Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs for example. A truly loving god would not send his own creation to hell knowing in advance they were going there - why was I created then?
I don't think most Christians will ever "get" the concept of omnipotence. If they did, they would never be able to reconcile all of the attributes of their god without severe cognitive dissonance.
great post dude
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Those who deny gay marriage as a right are Anti-American , gay people are tax paying members of the United States and should recieve every right that anyone is , its discrimination plain & simple ! homosexuality is normal its be around since man has , and its been around a long time before your nonsense bible condemned it .
Prayer in school isn't prevented just mandatory prayer is and your kids are allowed to pray silently , no one can stop them from doing that and if God is as so great as you claim he is I'm sure he'd be able to hear them just the same
Intelligent Design is Christian Creationism just repacked and its junk-science , faith-based scripture-based nonsense , Evolution is a fact , plain and simple there are mountians of evidence to suport it and if you want your children to pray in school , and learn junk-science , and kiss God's ass all day long , feel free to enroll them in a religious school , because I don't want my tax dollars spent on nonsense.
The funding for embryonic stem cell reserach is being prevented and Christians wont prevent it , its going to happen and when all the bennefits are available Christians will be lining up in droves to reap them , this is just another example of Religion trying to prevent science and you've failed once again
Sure it is ::) lol the Fore fathers had the sense back then to make sure your nonsense didn't impead of the state again , they all left England for that very reason , just like your noation this was a Christian-based country ::) and the funny part is Atheists are the ones who feel their under attack its the religious right who does , always complaining about how Christianity is under attack talk about irony the biggest offenders of attacks and wars for the past 2000 years and your under attack lol what a joke
great post, we have a smart man here getbiggers
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I don't think they WANTED it to happen, but both Clinton and Bush were lazy. In all actuality, Bin Laden got lucky with the buildings collapsing.
keith... allow me to change your outlook on life forever :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=loose+change&hl=en
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keith... allow me to change your outlook on life forever :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=loose+change&hl=en
If it's what I think it is without looking, it's the whole dynamite explosions conspiracy....
Obviously not the beams that run along the sides of the building buckling. The beams would buckle first causing the runners that go across to buckle after.
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Their rights are the same as anybody else. With the exception of one state, marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Homosexuality has been around a long time, and it's been recognized as immoral for a long time as well. What's your point?
It doesn't matter if you're as gay as the day is long, if you wish to get married, your spouse must be of the OPPOSITE sex, period.
well I am gay as the day is long and it just wonderful to hear that you would deny me the right to marry my partner because you feel like it. Do you really feel comfortable denying me thousands of rights that come with marriage even though I pay the same taxes as you do? Why don't Chrisitans condem divorce anymore? Is it because you don't want to lose any donations? Your a biggot hiding behind Christianity. Homosexuality has been recognized as being immoral, only by fearfull hatefull, homophobic and mysogynistic religious authorities, not by Jesus. And just because it is " a long time" doesn't make something true. We had slaves for a long time, we denied women rights for a long time as well does that make those things right.
Most people who preach this kind of hate were usually former sinners at one time and then suddenly found GOD. What was your sin MCWAY? Who did you hurt? The church is filled with sinners. You have plenty of support.
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keith... allow me to change your outlook on life forever :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=loose+change&hl=en
::) ::) ::)
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:)
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keith... allow me to change your outlook on life forever :)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=loose+change&hl=en
Rob..Noam Chomsky has been one of the most outspoken critics of the government and of the Bush administration and even he dismissed the idea of the U.S . having anything to do with 09-11 as nonsense and the guy has been teaching at M.I.T. for fifty-fucking-years
You conspricy theorists are like Christians with evolution , you look for gaps and claim well if there isn't an explanation it was to be God ( of Bush ) its nonsense , Bin Laden and muslims extremists have had a hard on for the World Trade since 1993 , the government apparently knew muslims may be trying to highjack planes before had but to say they were responsible for 09-11 is a slap in the face of the victims.
Was the U.S. government responsible for all the post 09-11 terrorist activities? in Spain ? in London? and the attacks that were prevented? come on get serious ! you're smarter than this.
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well I am gay as the day is long and it just wonderful to hear that you would deny me the right to marry my partner because you feel like it. Do you really feel comfortable denying me thousands of rights that come with marriage even though I pay the same taxes as you do? Why don't Chrisitans condem divorce anymore? Is it because you don't want to lose any donations? Your a biggot hiding behind Christianity. Homosexuality has been recognized as being immoral, only by fearfull hatefull, homophobic and mysogynistic religious authorities, not by Jesus. And just because it is " a long time" doesn't make something true. We had slaves for a long time, we denied women rights for a long time as well does that make those things right.
Most people who preach this kind of hate were usually former sinners at one time and then suddenly found GOD. What was your sin MCWAY? Who did you hurt? The church is filled with sinners. You have plenty of support.
Whats funny about those so opposed to gay marriage is , it doesn't effect them one single bit , it doesn't in the least. gay people are still going to be gay people without being married so why deny them the same rights as any other tax-paying America? I've heard people say " next gay people will want the right to marry animals " can you-fucking believe their logic? it confounds the logical mind .
You hypocritical christians please refer to Matthew 7:1 " judge not lest ye be judged " you worry about your lives and let people live theirs .
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Was the U.S. government responsible for all the post 09-11 terrorist activities?
I don't know.
That's why I would really love to see a second investigation.
There is proof they have very detailed warnings before 9/11.
They did everything they could to prevent an investigation.
No one was cited for failure to do their job.
NORAD ordered fighter pilots to turn around.
There are many gag orders.
And, it served the White House's agenda coincidentally well.
It smells very bad. It needs to be re-investigated :)
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I don't know.
That's why I would really love to see a second investigation.
There is proof they have very detailed warnings before 9/11.
They did everything they could to prevent an investigation.
No one was cited for failure to do their job.
NORAD ordered fighter pilots to turn around.
There are many gag orders.
And, it served the White House's agenda coincidentally well.
It smells very bad. It needs to be re-investigated :)
I agree that some branch of the government knew beforehand that there could be terrorist attacks using commerical flights and it fell on deaf ears and someone should pay for that , someone has to be responsible , but to say the Bush administration did it was just to far fetched , I would welcome another investergation but the probability of it finding a US plot is ridiculous in my opinion.
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I agree that some branch of the government knew beforehand that there could be terrorist attacks using commerical flights and it fell on deaf ears and someone should pay for that , someone has to be responsible , but to say the Bush administration did it was just to far fetched , I would welcome another investergation but the probability of it finding a US plot is ridiculous in my opinion.
I agree, 99% of people would refuse to do such things.
But on 911, someone at NORAD told those planes to turn around and do a holding pattern over the ocean, even after the two remaining planes were being tracked on radar.
And, 8/6/01, The German Ambassador called Bush in Texas, and gave him very detailed information they had got from Isr intelligence- he gvae Bush the targets, the date, and that it would be hijackings. Bush assured him that he already knew, but thanks for calling. Germany publicly questioned Bush's action, then the Whtie house sent Ger a letter asking them to no longer discuss the topic publicly.
We need a new investigation. That alone should have people freaked out.
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(this is going back to ronnie and his comments)
has anybody mentioned yet that this is america and we have freedom of speech and religion? And anybody can worship whoever they choose too? If you're offended by it then don't listen, fuckin simple as that.
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No but anyone who denounces Christianity will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. Considr yourselves warned.
http://www.keyofdavid.com
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Yeah, and if you don't hate gays of follow Christianity as Fred Phelps preaches it, YOU are going to hell.
http://www.godhatesfags.com
Just a friendly warning. ;)
Cleanse your mind of such filth. Deliberate homo acts will land you in Hell kid.
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So you follow the church of Fred Phelps?
No. Jesus Christ, not any mere man.
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I don't know.
That's why I would really love to see a second investigation.
There is proof they have very detailed warnings before 9/11.
They did everything they could to prevent an investigation.
No one was cited for failure to do their job.
NORAD ordered fighter pilots to turn around.
There are many gag orders.
And, it served the White House's agenda coincidentally well.
It smells very bad. It needs to be re-investigated :)
Regardless of who you put in office, they're gonna fuck up. Period.
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No but anyone who denounces Christianity will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. Considr yourselves warned.
http://www.keyofdavid.com
lol at warned hey I thought Jesus said love your enimes and since Satan is the enemy of all Christians shouldn't you love him?
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Dudes....this thread will carry on forever... The Bible is the Living Word of God. Jesus is the ressurected Son of God. That's it.
Have a look at these facts...
Psalm 117 Is the shortest chapter in the Bible
Psalm 119 Is the longest chapter in the Bible
Psalm 118 This chapter is at the centre of the Bible
There are 594 chapters in the Bible before Psalm 118
There are 594 chapters in the Bible after Psalm 118
1188 chapters. This number can be split 118-8 or Psalm 118:8
Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. "
Go and check it out for yourselves....
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Cleanse your mind of such filth. Deliberate homo acts will land you in Hell kid.
of course because homosexuals cause so much violence in the world. They abuse one in four women, drop bombs on innocent people, start wars, populate prisons, and are responsible for all the murders and rapes in the world.
TheGoldenPrince is Fred Phelps
keyofDavid.com = fear monger for money
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Whats funny about those so opposed to gay marriage is , it doesn't effect them one single bit , it doesn't in the least. gay people are still going to be gay people without being married so why deny them the same rights as any other tax-paying America? I've heard people say " next gay people will want the right to marry animals " can you-fucking believe their logic? it confounds the logical mind .
You hypocritical christians please refer to Matthew 7:1 " judge not lest ye be judged " you worry about your lives and let people live theirs .
so true dude, they are just filled with fear and hatred.
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Dudes....this thread will carry on forever... The Bible is the Living Word of God. Jesus is the ressurected Son of God. That's it.
Have a look at these facts...
Psalm 117 Is the shortest chapter in the Bible
Psalm 119 Is the longest chapter in the Bible
Psalm 118 This chapter is at the centre of the Bible
There are 594 chapters in the Bible before Psalm 118
There are 594 chapters in the Bible after Psalm 118
1188 chapters. This number can be split 118-8 or Psalm 118:8
Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. "
Go and check it out for yourselves....
Facts and the bible in the same sentence ::) get serious talk about an oxymoron. I've read the bible and to quote Issac Isimov " Properly read the bible is the most potent force for atheisim "
And to quote another great scientist the Nobel Prize winning Physicist Steven Weinberg " Putting God ahead of humanity is a terrible thing. "