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A grieving grandfather told young relatives not to hate the gunman who killed five girls in an Amish schoolhouse massacre, a pastor said on Wednesday.
"As we were standing next to the body of this 13-year-old girl, the grandfather was tutoring the young boys, he was making a point, just saying to the family, 'We must not think evil of this man,' " the Rev. Robert Schenck told CNN.
"It was one of the most touching things I have seen in 25 years of Christian ministry."
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They don't show anger either. I was watching some movie(quite some time ago) and people were throwing rocks at them and they were just smiling and talking about churning butter ???
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i want to say something racist right now (not about the Amish, but about certain other groups of people), but I'll honor the Amish and hold my peace.
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i want to say something racist right now (not about the Amish, but about certain other groups of people), but I'll honor the Amish and hold my peace.
Just say it, you and I are like the only ones up at this hour.
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Just say it, you and I are like the only ones up at this hour.
I'm thinking about the Middle East mostly, and how they react there . . . but I guess the point of my original post was that maybe hatred and anger are not the solutions.
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Jack Meyer, a member of the Brethren community living near the Amish in Lancaster County, said local people were trying to follow Jesus' teachings in dealing with the "terrible hurt."
"I don't think there's anybody here that wants to do anything but forgive and not only reach out to those who have suffered a loss in that way but to reach out to the family of the man who committed these acts," he told CNN.
Sam Stoltzfus, 63, an Amish woodworker who lives a few miles away from the shooting scene, told The Associated Press that the victims' families will be sustained by their faith.
"We think it was God's plan, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces and keep going," he told AP. "A funeral to us is a much more important thing than the day of birth because we believe in the hereafter. The children are better off than their survivors."
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I went to a college in northern Michigan thisclose to an amish community, I never hung out with them or anything, but they were friendly enough and always waved and exchanged hellos. That killer was a nutcase, I hope he burns in hell personally.
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That killer was a nutcase, I hope he burns in hell personally.
yeah, what the fuck was his deal? it's like he just came out of the blue with this shit. that's scary . . . his dad was a police officer and his mom was like a church lady.
the grandfather i quoted in my first post actually met with his family.
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yeah, what the f**k was his deal? it's like he just came out of the blue with this shit. that's scary . . . his dad was a police officer and his mom was like a church lady.
the grandfather i quoted in my first post actually met with his family.
It was a 20 year grudge. Also, what kind of a man lets the boys go and murders the girls? weird dude.
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Allow teachers who legally carry a weapon in real-life to carry in school. Hold them to very high standards. But the police take 8 minutes to get there, 5 minutes to get organized, and then will either wait outside or slowly advance, room-by-room. A teacher or administrator who works there will hear the ruckus/be alerted and know his/her way around. He'll get there in a minute or less. He'll possibly instinctively recognize the man who doesn't belong in the classroom, or be able to more quickly identify the bad egg of a child based upon past experiences.
Plus the deterrance factor- If the students and genpop know that some teachers carry, but they don't know which teachers carry, they're going to find someplace else to start capping people.
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Allow teachers who legally carry a weapon in real-life to carry in school. Hold them to very high standards. But the police take 8 minutes to get there, 5 minutes to get organized, and then will either wait outside or slowly advance, room-by-room. A teacher or administrator who works there will hear the ruckus/be alerted and know his/her way around. He'll get there in a minute or less. He'll possibly instinctively recognize the man who doesn't belong in the classroom, or be able to more quickly identify the bad egg of a child based upon past experiences.
Plus the deterrance factor- If the students and genpop know that some teachers carry, but they don't know which teachers carry, they're going to find someplace else to start capping people.
Or the teachers would be the first to be slaughtered. Maybe the goth freaks should be expelled at the high school level? OT but, You guys remember in Bowling for Columbine when that dude in the wheelchair tried to return the bullet pulled out of him to K mart? Pretty cool scene, even if that fat liberal Mike Moore filmed it.
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Or the teachers would be the first to be slaughtered. Maybe the goth freaks should be expelled at the high school level? OT but, You guys remember in Bowling for Columbine when that dude in the wheelchair tried to return the bullet pulled out of him to K mart? Pretty cool scene, even if that fat liberal Mike Moore filmed it.
I'm fine with kicking out the goth assholes that don't do any work and show violent tendencies. heck, I think society would be smarter to put 1/3 of kids into votech trianing in 8th grade automatically. They'd be a lot more prepared for life, they'd have a skill, and schools could be better funded per student- only kids who wanted to be there and could do the work, would be there.
That being said, if the pricks are going to shoot 30 people, they're going to shoot 30 people. I'd MUCH rather have a cafeteria worker, the principal, a gym teacher, and two history teachers running into the room where the trenchcoat asshole is playing COlumbine, than wait for the police to assemble a SWAT team and devise a plan. Immediate action would save lievs. Sure, those teachers might be the first to die. But they die with a gun in their hands and a nice chance. 13 little girls, bound, and shot in the head one by one have zero chance.
Plus, if goth kids knew that some teachers carried and they'd be immediately faced with resistance, they might take the fun elsewhere.
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I'm fine with kicking out the goth assholes that don't do any work and show violent tendencies. heck, I think society would be smarter to put 1/3 of kids into votech trianing in 8th grade automatically. They'd be a lot more prepared for life, they'd have a skill, and schools could be better funded per student- only kids who wanted to be there and could do the work, would be there.
That being said, if the pricks are going to shoot 30 people, they're going to shoot 30 people. I'd MUCH rather have a cafeteria worker, the principal, a gym teacher, and two history teachers running into the room where the trenchcoat asshole is playing COlumbine, than wait for the police to assemble a SWAT team and devise a plan. Immediate action would save lievs. Sure, those teachers might be the first to die. But they die with a gun in their hands and a nice chance. 13 little girls, bound, and shot in the head one by one have zero chance.
Plus, if goth kids knew that some teachers carried and they'd be immediately faced with resistance, they might take the fun elsewhere.
Valid points. I am getting sick of all these innocent kids being killed for no good reason. The amish thing just baffles and infuriates me. But the goth kids? When I was in school people got picked on, and went on with their lives. Nowadays, some of these punks think that murder is the answer? I would just like an oppurtunity to explain to these punks that high school, while fun, is such a small part of life. To ruin so many lives cuz you are unhappy at the awkward ages of 13-17 is a fuckin shame.
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Admirable people the Amish, forgiveness is more than I could do
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Admirable people the Amish, forgiveness is more than I could do
It's also the only way to truly heal
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Yes, I like the sound of these Amish people - we could all take a leaf out of their books in terms of coping with this sort of thing.
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A old Cherokee chief once told his grandson:
"A terrible fight is going on inside me - a fight between two wolves. One is evil, and represents hate, anger, contention, arrogance, selfishness, intolerance, and superiority. The other is good, and represents joy, peace, love, humility, kindness, mildness, generosity, and compassion. This same fight is going on inside you, inside every other person too."
The grandson then asked: "Which wolf will win?"
The old man replied simply: "The one you feed."
- A Native American Folk Tale
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I know someone who dropped everything and moved to Amish country to open a b&b. She said they're quite literal people who don't joke much. It took her over a year to get used to them.
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I know someone who dropped everything and moved to Amish country to open a b&b. She said they're quite literal people who don't joke much. It took her over a year to get used to them.
I bet you couldn't ask for better neighbours though
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I know someone who dropped everything and moved to Amish country to open a b&b. She said they're quite literal people who don't joke much. It took her over a year to get used to them.
I haven't had much personal contact with alot of Amish people. Those I have met I found to be soooo pleasant.
I met one Amish couple in Toronto, ...on the subway of all places. Really, really nice couple.
One of my friends has had many encounters with the Amish and he's terrified of them.
They spooked him that badly{lol}
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I haven't had any contact with them either. My gf told me it was difficult dealing with them in the sense that they took everything, even the slightest nicety (sp) seriously. For instance, if she said, thanks have a great day, they would say, well it's raining and there's so much work to do, so I don't think it's going to be a great day, why do you think it's a great day? kind of thing. Anyway, my gf and her husband lasted about 3 years then moved to the Caribbean.
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Seems like they are serious type, but never thought of them as being that serious as to say something like that to such a common comment
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who the fuck shoots little girls? i hope that there is a hell, and that the asshole rots in it.
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My step-daughters best friend was killed at 15 by a drunk driver. Her parents, very religious people, forgave the guy instantly.
They are better people than me, as I would honestly want to kill anyone who harmed my step-daughter.
Admirable people the Amish...that crime was simply horrendous :-[
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I'm thinking about the Middle East mostly, and how they react there . . . but I guess the point of my original post was that maybe hatred and anger are not the solutions.
the jews are indeed a horrible people ;D
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but I guess the point of my original post was that maybe hatred and anger are not the solutions.
Great, great post of yours :D
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good for you. children deserve to have someone in their corner.
a lot of adults deserve a swift kick in the rear.
Mark Foley, John Boehner, Tom Reynolds, Dennis Hastert, Kirk Fordham ...just to name a few. :P
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This was a tragic, horrendous crime, ...there's no doubt about it, but what I find very offensive about the way it has been reported is that some people are especially horrified that it was 5 little girls, ...as if that makes a difference. Would they not have the same outrage if it were 5 little boys? Oh well. . .
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That grandfather is a fucking dumbass! If it was me I'd find that fucking gunman and lite him up with lead then desecrate his body by urinating all over it. Then I'd behead him and send chunks of his head to his relatives so they know what a pathetic example they raised.
Above is Al-Gebra's dream reply. ::)
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"Sam Stoltzfus, 63, an Amish woodworker who lives a few miles away from the shooting scene, told The Associated Press that the victims' families will be sustained by their faith.
"We think it was God's plan, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces and keep going," he told AP. "A funeral to us is a much more important thing than the day of birth because we believe in the hereafter. The children are better off than their survivors."
The Nine Satanic Statements
from The Satanic Bible, ©1969
by Anton Szandor LaVey
[français]
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
i'd say that we have here two very different philosophies/beliefs. discuss.
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The girls are better off dead than playing incest with Father Amish. Those Amish keep everything in the family. The husband fucks the wife, the wife fucks the son. The father fucks the daughter and son. This is a very good example how Danielson was made. Except Danielson's mother was a crack ho and his dad was actually a transexual lesbian.
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Actually on occassion they do attempt to bring in a little fresh blood to strengthen their limited gene pool. That's why my friend was sooo freaked out by them. It was over 30yrs ago, ...and he was fresh faced innocent, greener than grass 19 yr. old virgin working construction out west, near Amish country, ...actually Mennonite, and this mennonite man was really nice to him, inviting him home for a home-cooked meal. My friend was greener than grass, and welcomed the idea of a home cooked meal. When he got there, ...it took him a while to realize what was up. They wanted him to impregnate the wife. He hightailed it out of there soooo fast.
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The girls are better off dead than playing incest with Father Amish. Those Amish keep everything in the family. The husband fucks the wife, the wife fucks the son. The father fucks the daughter and son. This is a very good example how Danielson was made. Except Danielson's mother was a crack ho and his dad was actually a transexual lesbian.
Funny stuff ::) Does your mommy call Ron as well?
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They attended the killer's funeral. These people are amazing. I couldn't have done it.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/07/amish.mourners.ap/index.html
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They attended the killer's funeral. These people are amazing. I couldn't have done it.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/07/amish.mourners.ap/index.html
That really is remarkable.
We could all learm from them, we as people hate people for reasons that are so insignificant compared to that.
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That really is remarkable.
We could all learm from them, we as people hate people for reasons that are so insignificant compared to that.
I agree.
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Learn from them? LOL put down the crackpipe!
How in the world do you attend the funeral of the man that murdered your babies? Fucking idiots.
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Admirable people the Amish, forgiveness is more than I could do
I would be looking for some vengence myself.
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I haven't had much personal contact with alot of Amish people. Those I have met I found to be soooo pleasant.
I met one Amish couple in Toronto, ...on the subway of all places. Really, really nice couple.
One of my friends has had many encounters with the Amish and he's terrified of them.
They spooked him that badly{lol}
I thought they didn't use modern transportation? Either horse and buggy or walk. ???
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This was a tragic, horrendous crime, ...there's no doubt about it, but what I find very offensive about the way it has been reported is that some people are especially horrified that it was 5 little girls, ...as if that makes a difference. Would they not have the same outrage if it were 5 little boys? Oh well. . .
Jag, I think that he picked out one sex is the horrifying thing.
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The girls are better off dead than playing incest with Father Amish. Those Amish keep everything in the family. The husband fucks the wife, the wife fucks the son. The father fucks the daughter and son. This is a very good example how Danielson was made. Except Danielson's mother was a crack ho and his dad was actually a transexual lesbian.
Burn in hell you sick fucker!
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Learn from them? LOL put down the crackpipe!
How in the world do you attend the funeral of the man that murdered your babies? Fucking idiots.
Come on Camel. Thats what they believe in. You and I might not but they do. And they are way more devout than you or I. So please don't rag on them.
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Come on Camel. Thats what they believe in. You and I might not but they do. And they are way more devout than you or I. So please don't rag on them.
Yeah, but what they're doing is based more on principle than their emotions. Do you honestly think for a second that they have truly forgiven that man for his crime? They're doing it to honor their beliefs.
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The Amish are lazy uneducated people. They don't want to take real jobs so they drink and smoke all day and grow an apple or 2 and call it the day. The kids are nothing but brainwashed servants to the Amish father who barks orders all day while he sleeps with the 5 wives he has. School is a joke for the kids because they grow up and no nothing but phedophelia and how to grow sea turtles. How the hell do you go to the funeral of the person who just killed your daughters. And it just happened. What a bunch of dumb shits. The Amish don't even contribute to society with their so called goods like jars of honey and hand made crafts like macronni beads that they sell at the local circus where they make a monthly income of $120 dollars and to them they are set for the winter.
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I would be looking for some vengence myself.
That's because you're a very primitive life form that has a very long way to go before reaching emotional evolution and enlightenment. :-*
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The Amish are lazy uneducated people. They don't want to take real jobs so they drink and smoke all day and grow an apple or 2 and call it the day. The kids are nothing but brainwashed servants to the Amish father who barks orders all day while he sleeps with the 5 wives he has. School is a joke for the kids because they grow up and no nothing but phedophelia and how to grow sea turtles. How the hell do you go to the funeral of the person who just killed your daughters. And it just happened. What a bunch of dumb shits. The Amish don't even contribute to society with their so called goods like jars of honey and hand made crafts like macronni beads that they sell at the local circus where they make a monthly income of $120 dollars and to them they are set for the winter.
Ya well, ...when the doodoo hits the fan, and solar flares cause our infrastructure to collapse, it'll be the Amish who will skate through unscathed. Anyone who can survive let along thrive on $120 month in this modern day & age, is doing something right.
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Jaguar...you are only on this earth for less than 100 years,,i wouldnt worry about solar flares causing our earth to collaspse any time soon.
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Jaguar...you are only on this earth for less than 100 years,,i wouldnt worry about solar flares causing our earth to collaspse any time soon.
We had solar flares screw with satellites and cause huge power outages up here before.
Because your government keeps you so ignorant and dumbed down, you clearly have no idea of the risk solar flares pose to our society. Back when we weren't so technologically advanced, and our society was not so technologically integrated, they didn't pose much of a threat. These days, the threat has increased exponentially.
ps - I plan to live well beyond 100... and when I go, ...I'm leaving a pretty corpse. :P
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Yeah, but what they're doing is based more on principle than their emotions. Do you honestly think for a second that they have truly forgiven that man for his crime? They're doing it to honor their beliefs.
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You actually make better decisions when they're based on principle rather than emotion. It is what smart people do.
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You actually make better decisions when they're based on principle rather than emotion. It is what smart people do.
And that is why your government does everything in it's power to ensure the citizens are scared shitless.
It's the only way to get you to go along with their program. What does gov policy say about the American peeps?
ps - you know I couldn't resist that one don't cha? :P
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And that is why your government does everything in it's power to ensure the citizens are scared shitless.
It's the only way to get you to go along with their program. What does gov policy say about the American peeps?
ps - you know I couldn't resist that one don't cha? :P
I'm not sure what that has to do with Amish ethics and making decisions based on principle, but I know you like hijacking threads, particularly if it gives you a chance to release some of that America hatred. :)
I don't think government speaks with a unified voice and our citizens aren't scared of anything they shouldn't be (for the most part). I also have no idea what "program" you're talking about.
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I'm not sure what that has to do with Amish ethics and making decisions based on principle, but I know you like hijacking threads, particularly if it gives you a chance to release some of that America hatred. :)
It has everything to do with what you said. Decisions based on principle are far better than those based on emotion.
Alot of decisions in the USA have been fear based as of late.
I don't think government speaks with a unified voice and our citizens aren't scared of anything they shouldn't be (for the most part). I also have no idea what "program" you're talking about.
Then maybe you should get better informed. 8)
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It has everything to do with what you said. Decisions based on principle are far better than those based on emotion.
Alot of decisions in the USA have been fear based as of late.
Then maybe you should get better informed. 8)
Whatever. I've been reading your posts enough to know that when you make an amorphous comment and are questioned about it, you give the "when it's time for you to understand it, you will," comment, or words to that effect. Pretty meaningless IMO. I know you don't like admitting mistakes, but you shouldn't be afraid to at least explain yourself.
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Whatever. I've been reading your posts enough to know that when you make an amorphous comment and are questioned about it, you give the "when it's time for you to understand it, you will," comment, or words to that effect. Pretty meaningless IMO. I know you don't like admitting mistakes, but you shouldn't be afraid to at least explain yourself.
Did I not just explain my reasoning behind the comment?
ps - Thanks for the reminder. I'm sure when you're ready to understand things, ...you will. ;D
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what it is, is this: the bible is a bunch of made up bullshit all about ignorance and control. if nothing else- all it does is try to turn man away from what he truly is. that is, an ANIMAL that is made for indulgence. yes, what the made up childrens book(the bible) calls "sinning."
it puts down individuality and tells you that you are humble and that there is a greater force out there than you. screw that! be your own god! these people are f*cking weak minded idiots, pure and simple.
forgive the senseless murder of your kids? there is NO honor in being weak and cowardly. my goodness, does all this bible/religious fake b.s. fuck people up into being spineless ignorant slaves. truly sad. and people applaud their weakness. ...shame on them!
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what it is, is this: the bible is a bunch of made up bullshit all about ignorance and control. if nothing else- all it does is try to turn man away from what he truly is. that is, an ANIMAL that is made for indulgence. yes, what the made up childrens book(the bible) calls "sinning."
it puts down individuality and tells you that you are humble and that there is a greater force out there than you. screw that! be your own god! these people are f*cking weak minded idiots, pure and simple.
forgive the senseless murder of your kids? there is NO honor in being weak and cowardly. my goodness, does all this bible/religious fake b.s. f**k people up into being spineless ignorant slaves. truly sad. and people applaud their weakness. ...shame on them!
Forgiveness is neither spinelessness, nor is it weakness. It takes far more strength and courage to forgive, than it does to allow yourself to be engulfed & consumed with hatred. That's the easy way out. Forgiveness is a mechanism by which people are spared from being caught up in the type of anger & hatred that eventually leads to the type of sick shit committed by the gunman himself. Forgiveness is not about absolving the perpetrator, it is a tool by which victims are able to heal. However... I'm sure such a concept is lost on someone who would choose a moniker like venom in his screen name.
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Did I not just explain my reasoning behind the comment?
ps - Thanks for the reminder. I'm sure when you're ready to understand things, ...you will. ;D
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That's because you're a very primitive life form that has a very long way to go before reaching emotional evolution and enlightenment. :-*
So true. I actually am one of those caveman in the Geico commercials. :D
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You actually make better decisions when they're based on principle rather than emotion. It is what smart people do.
100% true. Thats why all my decisions are bad.
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Forgiveness is neither spinelessness, nor is it weakness. It takes far more strength and courage to forgive, than it does to allow yourself to be engulfed & consumed with hatred. That's the easy way out. Forgiveness is a mechanism by which people are spared from being caught up in the type of anger & hatred that eventually leads to the type of sick shit committed by the gunman himself. Forgiveness is not about absolving the perpetrator, it is a tool by which victims are able to heal. However... I'm sure such a concept is lost on someone who would choose a moniker like venom in his screen name.
when some freak kills/sodomizes/dismembers one of your own, are you going to kiss him on the cheek and then send him a christmas basket each year in the lockup? pathetic!
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when some freak kills/sodomizes/dismembers one of your own, are you going to kiss him on the cheek and then send him a christmas basket each year in the lockup? pathetic!
I wouldn't. I'd do everything humanly possible to avoid killing the person myself and let the system handle the perp.
This is one of the few times I'll agree with Jag: there is nothing weak or "pathetic" about forgiveness. I think one of the true tests of character is not how you deal with your friends, but how you deal with your enemies and those who have harmed you, particularly those who haven't asked for forgiveness.
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when some freak kills/sodomizes/dismembers one of your own, are you going to kiss him on the cheek and then send him a christmas basket each year in the lockup? pathetic!
I couldn't agree with you more, if someone killed my loved ones I would want them to die a slow, horrible death.
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I couldn't agree with you more, if someone killed my loved ones I would want them to die a slow, horrible death.
thank you. those peole that want to meet the killer/sodomizer of their kin, then visit them in prison are such weak worthless fucks it's disgusting. yeah, turn the other cheek, so you can be slapped again, you morons!
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when some freak kills/sodomizes/dismembers one of your own, are you going to kiss him on the cheek and then send him a christmas basket each year in the lockup? pathetic!
Venom,
Understand that the man who committed the murders of these little girls is DEAD! He will NEVER feel your anger or your 'venom', ...however, for you to give-in to those feelings, and to express their outward manifestations, they must first develop and be nurtured within you, and then move through the prism of your soul.
Feeding such negative energy within yourself, is the equivalent of drinking a glass of poison, in hopes that someone else will die. The hatred & animosity must first rise through YOU before it can be channelled out towards anyone else. And like ALL things in this ever expanding universe, that energy likewise expands, before it ultimately finds it's way back to it's source... the frequency from which it was first generated; ...namely YOU
Attrocious crimes and the immediate feelings they produce are simply the seeds of spiritual destruction looking to take root inside your soul. You're better off not to feed or water those weeds, because in the end, like any other weed, they will rise up and choke out and destroy the good plants in your soul's garden.
When you change the composition of the soil, you affect what plants or weeds may thrive within that soil.
And you should NEVER allow scumbags to gain that much power over you, your life, and the direction of your soul.
You really should try it sometime. All my life I have forgiven those who have wronged me, ...and I can tell you, it truly is very liberating, ...and ironically can often cause more pain, guilt, remorse & conflict for the perpetrator than had you lashed out at them to begin with. The primary beneficiary of forgiveness, is not the perpetrator, but the one doing the forgiving.
Back in 1987 my friend Patrick had both his parents murdered behind their own bar for the lousy $50 that was in the cash register. Patrick showed not only remarkable courage and strength, but also WISDOM in not succumbing to the hate. Hate wasn't going to bring his parents back, but praying for the souls of the men who murdered his parents went an awful long way in his family's healing process.
What amish elders are encouraging, truly is the route to healing, both for themselves as well as for the Roberts family, who, don't forget, are also horrible victims of this tragedy as well. The elders have encouraged Mrs. Roberts to NOT move away from the area, but to remain there, so that they can be a source of support for her and her kids, as the entire community goes through the healing process together. The wisdom and enlightenment they display are testaments to man's higher nature prevailing, and I wish them ALL Godspeed in their healing.
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Venom,
Understand that the man who committed the murders of these little girls is DEAD! He will NEVER feel your anger or your 'venom', ...however, for you to give-in to those feelings, and to express their outward manifestations, they must first develop and be nurtured within you, and then move through the prism of your soul.
Feeding such negative energy within yourself, is the equivalent of drinking a glass of poison, in hopes that someone else will die. The hatred & animosity must first rise through YOU before it can be channelled out towards anyone else. And like ALL things in this ever expanding universe, that energy likewise expands, before it ultimately finds it's way back to it's source... the frequency from which it was first generated; ...namely YOU
Attrocious crimes and the immediate feelings they produce are simply the seeds of spiritual destruction looking to take root inside your soul. You're better off not to feed or water those weeds, because in the end, like any other weed, they will rise up and choke out and destroy the good plants in your soul's garden.
When you change the composition of the soil, you affect what plants or weeds may thrive within that soil.
And you should NEVER allow scumbags to gain that much power over you, your life, and the direction of your soul.
You really should try it sometime. All my life I have forgiven those who have wronged me, ...and I can tell you, it truly is very liberating, ...and ironically can often cause more pain, guilt, remorse & conflict for the perpetrator than had you lashed out at them to begin with. The primary beneficiary of forgiveness, is not the perpetrator, but the one doing the forgiving.
Back in 1987 my friend Patrick had both his parents murdered behind their own bar for the lousy $50 that was in the cash register. Patrick showed not only remarkable courage and strength, but also WISDOM in not succumbing to the hate. Hate wasn't going to bring his parents back, but praying for the souls of the men who murdered his parents went an awful long way in his family's healing process.
What amish elders are encouraging, truly is the route to healing, both for themselves as well as for the Roberts family, who, don't forget, are also horrible victims of this tragedy as well. The elders have encouraged Mrs. Roberts to NOT move away from the area, but to remain there, so that they can be a source of support for her and her kids, as the entire community goes through the healing process together. The wisdom and enlightenment they display are testaments to man's higher nature prevailing, and I wish them ALL Godspeed in their healing.
who do you think you're talking to? i used to run self help groups and "spiritual" retreats(by that i don't necessarily mean religious) for years. i'm aware of all the things you're talking about. just read ghandi, thinkh, (the vetnamese guy) or whoever. my point, is that it doesn't take strength, it's simply a way to delude the truly cowardly and spineless, into deceiving themselves that they are the "bigger person." what a bunch of horse shit!
i say, "hang 'em, and hang 'em high!" (my apologies to clint eastwood).
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this is an open question to anyone involved in this thread: has anyone ever had their life almost taken, or lost a loved one due to violence? and if so- what did you do? you don't have to answer if it would incriminate yourself.
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who do you think you're talking to? i used to run self help groups and "spiritual" retreats(by that i don't necessarily mean religious) for years. i'm aware of all the things you're talking about. just read ghandi, thinkh, (the vetnamese guy) or whoever.
:o Ghandi was Vietnamese? :-\ Wow, ...that's sure news to me. ;) :P
my point, is that it doesn't take strength, it's simply a way to delude the truly cowardly and spineless, into deceiving themselves that they are the "bigger person." what a bunch of horse shit!
i say, "hang 'em, and hang 'em high!" (my apologies to clint eastwood).
It's not about bragging rights to who is the "bigger person", ...it's about healing.
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:o Ghandi was Vietnamese? :-\ Wow, ...that's sure news to me. ;) :P
It's not about bragging rights to who is the "bigger person", ...it's about healing.
that's all you got out of it? to criticize? i DID NOT say ghandi was vietnamese, i could not accurately spell the vietnamese man's name and i spelled something like "thinkh," but i wasn't sure. i was wrong about his spelling, and that's all you gathered. sad.
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this is an open question to anyone involved in this thread: has anyone ever had their life almost taken, or lost a loved one due to violence? and if so- what did you do? you don't have to answer if it would incriminate yourself.
Understand the perpetrator of these crimes is DEAD! Do you not see the futility in lashing out against a dead man?
What would you do, lob a grenade into his house? Oh ya, that'll learn him. He's already dead!
There comes a time when one has to choose to either pick up the pieces and move on, or choose to allow themselves to remain enslaved by the perpetrator. Wallow in hate, venom and the desire for vengeance, and the perp achieves the victory of enslaving you from beyond the grave. That's major pwnage!
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Understand the perpetrator of these crimes is DEAD! Do you not see the futility in lashing out against a dead man?
What would you do, lob a grenade into his house? Oh ya, that'll learn him. He's already dead!
There comes a time when one has to choose to either pick up the pieces and move on, or choose to allow themselves to remain enslaved by the perpetrator. Wallow in hate, venom and the desire for vengeance, and the perp achieves the victory of enslaving you from beyond the grave. That's major pwnage!
no. find where his family lives... you do the math.
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no. find where his family lives... you do the math.
And victimizing innocent family members of the dead perpetrator does what to the already dead perp?
...and the deliberate victimization of innocents makes you somehow different from the perp how? ???
Focussing on, and feeding energy towards fear, hate, venom, and the desire for vengeance, creates a paradigmn within the human organism... a forcefield if you will, that resonates on a frequency that does not permit man's higher nature or common sense, the environment to either prevail, or function properly. It jams the signals and turns off the brain cells, diminishes the activity of the frontal lobe, and causes man to digress to a primitive state. The constant maintainance of that frequency enslaves man, confuses his thinking, and critical reasoning faculties, as well as dampens the organic internal receptors inherent within man, and prevents him from reaching a higher consciousness. That's why fear, & hatred, are the first instruments used by those who would seek to enslave you to your lower nature. Their power is derived from this frequency, and they need more and more of the energy generated at this frequency level permeating this planet in order to maintain their power and control over it.
That's why you live the best life you can so that when the time comes, and you do meet your maker, you can do so calmy, at peace without fear, and with neither regrets, nor remorse weighing down your spirit. If your life force energy resonates on the right frequency, it will have no problem making it's way back to the collective. But an energy not resonating on a high enough frequency will not penetrate the confines of this planet, but will remain to resonate throughout the planet affecting all living organisms capable of tuning into this frequency. Do you not think there is a correlation between violent tsunamis, earthquakes, floods etc with the death & destruction taking place on the planet? The Earth is a living organism, and is both subject and sensitive to the frequencies generated on her surface. The blood of innocents really DOES cry out to the heavens.
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And victimizing innocent family members of the dead perpetrator does what to the already dead perp?
...and the deliberate victimization of innocents makes you somehow different from the perp how? ???
Focussing on, and feeding energy towards fear, hate, venom, and the desire for vengeance, creates a paradigmn within the human organism... a forcefield if you will, that resonates on a frequency that does not permit man's higher nature or common sense, the environment to function properly. It jams the signals and turns off the brain cells, diminishes the activity of the frontal lobe, and causes man to digress to a primitive state. The constant maintainance of that frequency enslaves man, confuses his thinking, and critical reasoning faculties, as well as dampens the organic internal receptors inherent within man, and prevents him from reaching a higher consciousness. That's why fear, & hatred, are the first instruments used by those who would seek to enslave you to your lower nature. Their power is derived from this frequency, and they need more and more of the energy generated at this frequency level permeating this planet in order to maintain their power and control over it.
man IS lower nature. for centuries, the storytellers who wrote the bible have been trying to tell people otherwise. but it just ain't so.
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man IS lower nature. for centuries, the storytellers who wrote the bible have been trying to tell people otherwise. but it just ain't so.
Funny, I got the opposite impression. :-\