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Title: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: theworm on December 22, 2012, 02:46:51 PM
I already have a glock 40, but looking for more, can't decide between an AR-15 or a nice shot gun...

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
shotgun.    you dont want to be hitting people in the next room, next house, etc.

alternate your slugs.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: funk51 on December 22, 2012, 02:48:48 PM
I already have a glock 40, but looking for more, can't decide between an AR-15 or a nice shot gun...

Any thoughts?
i'd go with a gattling gun a little cumbersome but they do the job


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 02:49:25 PM
AR-15 is the best for home defense, but good luck finding one right now.  A good 12 guage pump with #4 or 00 buck is great for home defense as well.  However, they are limited on capacity and tend to overpenetrate.  Do you have kids, or neighbors?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 02:51:46 PM
the best home defense is a nice poodle.   little fcker will wake up and attack ankles and get the party started so you can brew a Kcup of coffee to get you alert before the gun fight. 

Stay in your room on the floor, calling 911,, if you know someone is in the house.  NEVER have a confrontation you dont have to have.  Stay low and waste anything that comes into your room. 

If you have to sweep house - then you come in LOW with the shotty at the ready, glock on your waist.  Toss a remote control across the room as a diversionary and then move in.  wear your body armor if you have any. 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: airosol on December 22, 2012, 02:51:58 PM
Shot gun. Little aiming, very intimidating.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
Shot gun. Little aiming, very intimidating.

You still have to aim them.  They're not magical shot spreading long guns. 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 22, 2012, 02:54:14 PM
never wear ear protection.  You will possibly hear that 'mouse fart' that alerts you to the bad guy.   He might be in hiding too - Don't run blindly into any room.   Time is on your side, particularly with law on the way.  You can give hiim the scariest "Sheriff's Department!" or other yell to let him know he's about to tangle with a grown ass man, to the death.  Also "say hello to my little friend" while racking the shotty and laughing hysterically has been known to intimidate.  Never give them "Please leave".   Instead try "I wanna shoot you so bad, my d*ck is hard".   That'll make them wonder if they really want to breach that door.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
never wear ear protection.  You will possibly hear that 'mouse fart' that alerts you to the bad guy.   He might be in hiding too - Don't run blindly into any room.   Time is on your side, particularly with law on the way.  You can give hiim the scariest "Sheriff's Department!" or other yell to let him know he's about to tangle with a grown ass man, to the death.  Also "say hello to my little friend" while racking the shotty and laughing hysterically has been known to intimidate.  Never give them "Please leave".   Instead try "I wanna shoot you so bad, my d*ck is hard".   That'll make them wonder if they really want to breach that door.

Actually, one of the first rules is to never give up your location.  Don't say shit, try to be as quiet as possible, and wait for the intruder to enter your POA.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Tapeworm on December 22, 2012, 03:08:28 PM
AR-15 is the best for home defense, but good luck finding one right now.  

Why would you choose a rifle inside a house?  Your target isn't hundreds of yards away.  Seems like anything with a long barrel would be hard to work with.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
For your average person, a shotgun is probably preferable. I would personally choose a cqbr type short barreled AR.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 03:13:36 PM
Why would you choose a rifle inside a house?  Your target isn't hundreds of yards away.  Seems like anything with a long barrel would be hard to work with.

Several reasons:

1.  They aren't hard to work with.
2.  Ballistically speaking, they are much, much more effective than a pistol.  Bottom line, pistols suck compared to rifles.
3.  You can acquire a target very quickly with an AR15.
4.  High capacity.
5.  With the proper ammo, the chances of overpenetration are nill.  
6.  If an intruder were to break into your house, and they were carrying a rifle, you will need equal firepower.

HTH


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BB on December 22, 2012, 03:14:56 PM
Remington 870 in the Marine Magnum configuration.

(http://rantsnraves.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/10/870mm_800.jpg).

Nickel plated for lower maintenance, good magazine capacity, based on a proven platform with lots of options. It doesn't attract as much negative attention as the AR-15 type rifles, and it will be low on any ban lists.

Load with #00 buck or 4 shot and you're good to go.



Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 03:16:02 PM
Remington 870 in the Marine Magnum configuration.

(http://rantsnraves.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/10/870mm_800.jpg).

Nickel plated for lower maintenance, good magazine capacity, based on a proven platform with lots of options. It doesn't attract as much negative attention as the AR-15 type rifles, and it will be low on any ban lists.

Load with #00 buck or 4 shot and you're good to go.




Great choice.  Throw a little streamlight on there, and you're good to go.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 03:23:06 PM
guns are for pussies.

get iron dome or a nuke

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-94VWahxq2QU/TdwFfFO2t8I/AAAAAAAAAJA/mmKEtAvI1gc/s1600/peter+griffin+-+go+on...++%25281%2529.jpg)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: che on December 22, 2012, 03:26:36 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zfmZNkFNiVI/TOi_TUQ8bTI/AAAAAAAADqA/L_cY_E6RI3s/s1600/backward-gun.jpg)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: mass243 on December 22, 2012, 03:28:57 PM

RPG-7
Even if the intruder tries to escape with a car you can walk to road, aim and there will be nothing but piece of shit melted by liquid copper left.
Cost-effective, tried and proven, reliable, many options to choose from for grenade, no recoil, even yankee loves it although too full of themselves to praise it.



(http://data3.primeportal.net/armory/roman_stepanov/rpg-7/images/rpg-7_3_of_9.jpg)

(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/us-marine-fires-a-rpg-7-grenade-terry-moore.jpg)






Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on December 22, 2012, 03:29:12 PM
shotgun.    you dont want to be hitting people in the next room, next house, etc.

alternate your slugs.

You wont with 45gr hollow points in 223


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Tapeworm on December 22, 2012, 03:29:43 PM
Several reasons:

1.  They aren't hard to work with.
2.  Ballistically speaking, they are much, much more effective than a pistol.  Bottom line, pistols suck compared to rifles.
3.  You can acquire a target very quickly with an AR15.
4.  High capacity.
5.  With the proper ammo, the chances of overpenetration are nill.  
6.  If an intruder were to break into your house, and they were carrying a rifle, you will need equal firepower.

HTH


Can't see wanting to swing around a rifle inside a house but I'm not a gun owner so maybe you know better.  I'd probably go for a short bodied clip fed shotgun.  Can't see why anyone would still use a pump action unless semiautos are unreliable.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: polychronopolous on December 22, 2012, 03:30:16 PM
shotgun.    you dont want to be hitting people in the next room, next house, etc.

alternate your slugs.

If the intruder hears, that initial "click" could be all you need.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BIG DUB on December 22, 2012, 03:32:20 PM
Remington 870 in the Marine Magnum configuration.

(http://rantsnraves.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/10/870mm_800.jpg).

Nickel plated for lower maintenance, good magazine capacity, based on a proven platform with lots of options. It doesn't attract as much negative attention as the AR-15 type rifles, and it will be low on any ban lists.

Load with #00 buck or 4 shot and you're good to go.



put hogue pistol grip on it and that's what i got. love that thing..


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Wiggs on December 22, 2012, 03:33:52 PM
Good to see a thread where we can talk about exercising our 2 second amendment rights. 8)

BTW, SHOTGUN CLICK-CLICK-BOOM!



Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: The True Adonis on December 22, 2012, 03:41:50 PM
(http://www.hightech-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/raging-judge-28-gauge.jpg)



The Taurus Raging Judge.

Shotgun in Pistol Format.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnwO0o2ClQ



Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: airosol on December 22, 2012, 03:50:28 PM
You still have to aim them.  They're not magical shot spreading long guns. 

Yah that's why I said "little" aiming. Not "no" aiming genius  ::)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Tapeworm on December 22, 2012, 04:02:26 PM
Around the corner shotgun with domestic camouflage.

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/075/939/kitty_corner_gun.jpg)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 04:10:36 PM
(http://www.hightech-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/raging-judge-28-gauge.jpg)



The Taurus Raging Judge.

Shotgun in Pistol Format.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnwO0o2ClQ




Piece of junk for home defense.  HTH


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 04:14:24 PM
Can't see wanting to swing around a rifle inside a house but I'm not a gun owner so maybe you know better.  I'd probably go for a short bodied clip fed shotgun.  Can't see why anyone would still use a pump action unless semiautos are unreliable.

There is no swinging it around.  It is very compact. 

I am not aware of any clip fed shotguns.  What are you talking about?

You're correct.  Pump action shotguns are more reliable than semiauto shotguns.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: The True Adonis on December 22, 2012, 04:17:45 PM

Piece of junk for home defense.  HTH
Why and what makes you the expert?  Have you ever shot at someone before ???   Prior military?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: pulling weight on December 22, 2012, 04:18:50 PM
never wear ear protection.  You will possibly hear that 'mouse fart' that alerts you to the bad guy.   He might be in hiding too - Don't run blindly into any room.   Time is on your side, particularly with law on the way.  You can give hiim the scariest "Sheriff's Department!" or other yell to let him know he's about to tangle with a grown ass man, to the death.  Also "say hello to my little friend" while racking the shotty and laughing hysterically has been known to intimidate.  Never give them "Please leave".   Instead try "I wanna shoot you so bad, my d*ck is hard".   That'll make them wonder if they really want to breach that door.

LMAO!


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Natural Man on December 22, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
never wear ear protection.  You will possibly hear that 'mouse fart' that alerts you to the bad guy.   He might be in hiding too - Don't run blindly into any room.   Time is on your side, particularly with law on the way.  You can give hiim the scariest "Sheriff's Department!" or other yell to let him know he's about to tangle with a grown ass man, to the death.  Also "say hello to my little friend" while racking the shotty and laughing hysterically has been known to intimidate.  Never give them "Please leave".   Instead try "I wanna shoot you so bad, my d*ck is hard".   That'll make them wonder if they really want to breach that door.



(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=180147.0;attach=210376;image)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 04:38:10 PM
I would say a good pump shotgun. Those Judge revolvers are stupid. Why bother with those. They shoot a .410 shell it's a gimick. It would be a good snake gun that's about it.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BB on December 22, 2012, 04:38:29 PM
There is no swinging it around.  It is very compact.  

I am not aware of any clip fed shotguns.  What are you talking about?

You're correct.  Pump action shotguns are more reliable than semiauto shotguns.

Only mag fed shotgun I know that is modestly priced and easy to find is the Saiga series -

(http://forum.saiga-12.com/style_images/1/Saiga.gif).

I am leery of those because they've only been out for a bit, and have attracted the attention of anti-gunners.

In America, there are two things that are usually looked at for a shotgun to get ATF clearance -

The barrel is over .50, so it technically falls under firearms laws as a "destructive device". You cannot own arms over .50  in America without jumping through some special hoops. The ATF usuals forgives this rule for shotguns if they serve a sporting purpose , so it might be safe there. The other problem is the detachable magazine, in general the ATF likes the magazine capacity of a shotgun to stay under a certain limit, if it goes past that limit, they start to look at it as non sporting firearm, and if directed will take steps to ban it.

Right now they are safe because they are pretty new to the market, but they'd be a pretty easy ban if any governmental agency decided to make an issue of it.

 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 22, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
Sawed off double barrel shotgun.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: cswol on December 22, 2012, 04:52:08 PM
NO...................... ........the ar 15 is the best tactical and home protection gun you can have.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: tommywishbone on December 22, 2012, 04:53:21 PM
The German 88 is my favorite.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: tommywishbone on December 22, 2012, 04:58:33 PM
Remington 870 in the Marine Magnum configuration.

(http://rantsnraves.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/10/870mm_800.jpg).

Nickel plated for lower maintenance, good magazine capacity, based on a proven platform with lots of options. It doesn't attract as much negative attention as the AR-15 type rifles, and it will be low on any ban lists.

Load with #00 buck or 4 shot and you're good to go.
^
End of thread


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 22, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
How many homes are being invaded? Most criminals knock on the door to see if you are home first. If you  are they fast talk how they are at the wrong house. If you're not there they go around back and kick in the door.

A .223 for shooting ranges under 20 feet is nuts. It can go through a lot of dry wall.  A hand gun is perfect but every time I'm at a range the shooting is really bad from hand gun owners. If hitting a stationary target is hard with no stress imagine how hard it is to connect in real world shootings.

I would go for a shotgun like the 870. A quality pump is almost jam proof. Across a room the spread isn't that much. #4 buck in a three inch shell throws 41 .24 caliber balls toward an intruder and in house distances is devastating. Imagine shooting someone 41 times with a .22 long rifle? Rack it again and it's 82 buck shot.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 05:21:51 PM
Why and what makes you the expert?  Have you ever shot at someone before ???   Prior military?

I'm no expert, but I can tell you that gun has no practical purpose.  .410 shotgun ballistics suck.  45 colt and 454 casull are solid calibers, but still suck when compared to rifle rounds.  The sight picture sucks on that gun, it has limited capacity, it's heavy.  Furthermore, Taurus guns have some of the worst reputation for quality and reliability.  Yes, I have owned Taurus, and shot Taurus, and will never own another one.

If you're thinking about a Taurus Raging Judge, I would suggest looking at something else.  


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BIG DUB on December 22, 2012, 05:55:49 PM
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The Taurus Raging Judge.

Shotgun in Pistol Format.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnwO0o2ClQ(http://i50.tinypic.com/s4yidj.jpg)



 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: WOOO on December 22, 2012, 05:58:22 PM
shotgun with birdshot... if you shoot someone it will not kill them but it will make a hell of a mess... bonus: it will not go through drywall and kill your family/neighbors


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on December 22, 2012, 05:59:38 PM
Actually, one of the first rules is to never give up your location.  Don't say shit, try to be as quiet as possible, and wait for the intruder to enter your POA.

Don't talk, and for Christ's sake don't put any type of light on your weapon. Get your family safe, retreat to a defensive position and call 911.

Get a pump shotgun and rack that fucker. The sound is unmistakable. Very, very good chance the intruder changes their mind.

Nothing that ever enters your home with the intention of harming your family should leave alive.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 22, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
shotgun with birdshot... if you shoot someone it will not kill them but it will make a hell of a mess... bonus: it will not go through drywall and kill your family/neighbors
.410


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: magikusar on December 22, 2012, 06:05:10 PM
I think land mines combned with super high amp shock setups on windows n doors are nice.

I think the sig 226 in nickel is a ncie gun, with 45 slugs, 8 of them.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: arce1988 on December 22, 2012, 06:07:54 PM
  .45 Colt Gold Cup Comp.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: HTexan on December 22, 2012, 06:12:00 PM
shotgun with birdshot... if you shoot someone it will not kill them but it will make a hell of a mess... bonus: it will not go through drywall and kill your family/neighbors
handgun with hollow points FTW


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Skeletor on December 22, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
The sound of a shotgun loading in the dark is enough to scare an intruder shitless..


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 22, 2012, 06:17:43 PM
The sound of a shotgun loading in the dark is enough to scare an intruder shitless..
Yep.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 06:29:31 PM
Don't talk, and for Christ's sake don't put any type of light on your weapon. Get your family safe, retreat to a defensive position and call 911.

Get a pump shotgun and rack that fucker. The sound is unmistakable. Very, very good chance the intruder changes their mind.

Nothing that ever enters your home with the intention of harming your family should leave alive.


Again, one of the first rules regarding home defense is to not give up your position.  Racking shotguns is for movies only.  If you rack the slide on your shotgun, the intruder now knows where you are.  He could easily start firing rounds in your direction.  The only sound an intruder should ever hear is you pulling the trigger.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Twaddle on December 22, 2012, 06:32:01 PM
shotgun with birdshot... if you shoot someone it will not kill them but it will make a hell of a mess... bonus: it will not go through drywall and kill your family/neighbors

Birdshot is used for hunting small birds, small animals, and trap/skeet.  It is not good for home defense.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 06:52:55 PM
A good handgun I prefer my glock 19 with a pump shotgun for back up. I need a rifle next.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: jr on December 22, 2012, 06:54:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT5jo7aZzTw


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Mr Anabolic on December 22, 2012, 06:56:41 PM
No kids in the house and brick/cement walls = Shotgun with 00buck.  Pistol grip, short barrel for close quarters.

Kids in the house, dry wall = Shotgun with birdshot.  A shot in the neck or face will stop any intruder.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 06:58:35 PM
I already have a glock 40, but looking for more, can't decide between an AR-15 or a nice shot gun...

Any thoughts?

Remi 870 or Mossberg 500  by far for home defense 

But get home defense loads and buckshot. 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 07:06:52 PM
Personally, I'd go with something like this.

Although you'll have to get some form of permit for the short barrel. Can't remember what it is.

(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7839/dsc060321024x576.jpg)
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8594/dsc1219fc.jpg)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7940/mk18mod01.jpg)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 07:13:49 PM
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7940/mk18mod01.jpg)

Sweet gun.   Problem is that if you in a panzie ass liberal state - even if you are right - the DA is going to have an issue if you light up a guy w that thing. 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 07:16:02 PM
Sweet gun.   Problem is that if you in a panzie ass liberal state - even if you are right - the DA is going to have an issue if you light up a guy w that thing.  
That wouldn't suprise me, like it's any different than lighting a guy up with a pistol or a normal rifle. I believe that is a 10.5" barrel, which you have to get a permit to have anyway. Perfect for home defense, compact and effective with the short barrel and collapsed stock.

(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm151/safes2small/1a7d816b6230eaf21087942503e79499.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/9620/photo5yi.jpg)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: doison on December 22, 2012, 07:18:55 PM
I already have a glock 40, but looking for more, can't decide between an AR-15 or a nice shot gun...

Any thoughts?

Studies show that your gun makes you less safe.  Let the government protect you.  They're the only ones who will protect you from others and also protect you from yourself.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 07:21:00 PM
Studies show that your gun makes you less safe.  Let the government protect you.  They're the only ones who will protect you from others and also protect you from yourself.

 ;D


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: leadhead on December 22, 2012, 07:23:02 PM
Just get a Mossberg or Remington 870. As long as you don't have kids in the house then I'd load it with 00b or #4 as suggested. I've killed deer with both at short range and it produces devestating results.  


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Tapeworm on December 22, 2012, 07:51:11 PM
I am not aware of any clip fed shotguns.  What are you talking about?

A semi auto shotgun with a large magazine and a short barrel.  Like a streetsweeper.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: jude2 on December 22, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
shotgun with birdshot... if you shoot someone it will not kill them but it will make a hell of a mess... bonus: it will not go through drywall and kill your family/neighbors
Why wouldn't u want them dead?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BB on December 22, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
A semi auto shotgun with a large magazine and a short barrel.  Like a streetsweeper.

While technically not illegal, they are banned in many states. They are also classified as Destructive Devices here, and require a good amount of State and Federal paperwork and taxes to be filed for them even if an individual state allows them.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BILL ANVIL on December 22, 2012, 08:08:17 PM
RPG-7
Even if the intruder tries to escape with a car you can walk to road, aim and there will be nothing but piece of shit melted by liquid copper left.
Cost-effective, tried and proven, reliable, many options to choose from for grenade, no recoil, even yankee loves it although too full of themselves to praise it.



(http://data3.primeportal.net/armory/roman_stepanov/rpg-7/images/rpg-7_3_of_9.jpg)

(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/us-marine-fires-a-rpg-7-grenade-terry-moore.jpg)






agreed. if i could choose any weapon, it'd be the rpg 7 hands down. high explosives rounds, or even anti tank rounds.

almost 1000ft per second, you give it 4 seconds, it gives you death over 3000 feet away. theres no delay like in the movies, no, its 'I pull the trigger and you're dead'


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: WOOO on December 22, 2012, 08:15:44 PM
handgun with hollow points FTW

queer


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Busted on December 22, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
Shows how much people know about firearms on this site... Unreal the stupidity in the US... "AR-15", "AK-47" yeahhhhh lets shoot so it goes through our walls, through our neighbors walls and kills others... 12 gauge 4 shot is best for home defense, not really an argument...


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Tapeworm on December 22, 2012, 08:25:34 PM
While technically not illegal, they are banned in many states. They are also classified as Destructive Devices here, and require a good amount of State and Federal paperwork and taxes to be filed for them even if an individual state allows them.

Well at least we know it's effective.  :D


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BIG DUB on December 22, 2012, 08:26:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c_awug8EeA


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 08:38:51 PM
Shows how much people know about firearms on this site... Unreal the stupidity in the US... "AR-15", "AK-47" yeahhhhh lets shoot so it goes through our walls, through our neighbors walls and kills others... 12 gauge 4 shot is best for home defense, not really an argument...
5.56 will only go through walls if you miss...

As I said earlier, for the average person, a shotgun is probably best. Btw, im pretty sure that most of those rounds arent going to go through your wall, outside and through the neighbors wall without deflecting.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Mr Nobody on December 22, 2012, 08:42:37 PM
5.56 will only go through walls if you miss...

As I said earlier, for the average person, a shotgun is probably best. Btw, im pretty sure that most of those rounds arent going to go through your wall, outside and through the neighbors wall without deflecting.
Exactly. I got a shotgun waiting on a mofo if someone tries to get in.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Busted on December 22, 2012, 08:47:19 PM
Yeah and I'm sure nobody misses.  If its jacketed a 5.56 will DEF go through someone AND continue to go through a wall.

5.56 will only go through walls if you miss...

As I said earlier, for the average person, a shotgun is probably best. Btw, im pretty sure that most of those rounds arent going to go through your wall, outside and through the neighbors wall without deflecting.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
Yeah and I'm sure nobody misses.  If its jacketed a 5.56 will DEF go through someone AND continue to go through a wall.

You realize the 5.56mm ball is designed to tumble on impact, right?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BILL ANVIL on December 22, 2012, 08:50:02 PM
Shows how much people know about firearms on this site... Unreal the stupidity in the US... "AR-15", "AK-47" yeahhhhh lets shoot so it goes through our walls, through our neighbors walls and kills others... 12 gauge 4 shot is best for home defense, not really an argument...

double aught.. bird shot?

very painful death for the intruder


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Busted on December 22, 2012, 08:55:02 PM
No... My 5.45 x 39mm tumbles.. it has a hollow cavity and is a boat tail... basic 5.56 isnt a tumbling round...

You realize the 5.56mm ball is designed to tumble on impact, right?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 09:01:20 PM
No... My 5.45 x 39mm tumbles.. it has a hollow cavity and is a boat tail... basic 5.56 isnt a tumbling round...

Thats why I saw 5.56 BALL. The standard 5.56mm NATO round is designed to tumble.

The 5.56◊45mm NATO (official NATO nomenclature 5.56 NATO) is a rifle cartridge developed in the United States and originally chambered in the M16 rifle. Under STANAG 4172, it is a standard cartridge for NATO forces as well as many non-NATO countries.[2] It is derived from, but not identical to, the .223 Remington cartridge. When the bullet impacts at high velocity and yaws[3] in tissue, fragmentation creates a rapid transfer of energy which can result in dramatic wounding effects.[4][5][6]


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 09:47:07 PM
This is perfect. Short barreled ak74 or an mp5 if you could get your hands one.

In reverse order


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 09:48:17 PM
This is perfect. Short barreled ak74 or an mp5 if you could get your hands one.



i got my girl a GSG5 in .22 which is the same as this.  Im training her on that. 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 09:50:08 PM
i got my girl a GSG5 in .22 which is the same as this.  Im training her on that. 

Very cool.
I really like this a lot to. Kind of outdated but packs a hell of a punch. You would definitely have to worry about over penetration.



Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
Very cool.
I really like this a lot to. Kind of outdated but packs a hell of a punch. You would definitely have to worry about over penetration.



I also got my GF a SW .38 Lady Smith and her parents hate me for it - but fuck them 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: arce1988 on December 22, 2012, 09:51:48 PM
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Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
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SWEEET!


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 09:54:54 PM
Glock 19 with 33 round mag and streamlight


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Natural Man on December 22, 2012, 09:59:37 PM
two thirds of posters actually brought war weapons that are not safe at closerange for home defense in his thread. 99.9% dont even have firearms or a permit. Stupid thread.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 10:03:14 PM
two thirds of posters actually brought war weapons that are not safe at closerange for home defense in his thread. 99.9% dont even have firearms or a permit. Stupid thread.

I have - off top of my head

Remi 870
Benelli Supernova
Mossberg 500 pistol grip
AK47
AR-15 - Bushmaster
Glock 17 & 26
Walther PPK & TPH
Remi 10/22
Marlin Papoose
Beretta 92B
SW 420
Colt .38
Remi .308 Savage



Just to name a few 


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
Very cool.
I really like this a lot to. Kind of outdated but packs a hell of a punch. You would definitely have to worry about over penetration.


You realize the M1 carbine fires a pistol round, right?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
I'm no expert, but I can tell you that gun has no practical purpose.  .410 shotgun ballistics suck.  45 colt and 454 casull are solid calibers, but still suck when compared to rifle rounds.  The sight picture sucks on that gun, it has limited capacity, it's heavy.  Furthermore, Taurus guns have some of the worst reputation for quality and reliability.  Yes, I have owned Taurus, and shot Taurus, and will never own another one.

If you're thinking about a Taurus Raging Judge, I would suggest looking at something else.  
Ballistics do suck but they have hotter ammo you can get and Im pretty sure anybody you hit with it in the confines of a home is probably going down or at the very least not going to be looking to fight anymore.

I have a snub nose judge and the home defense ammo they have for that packs a decent punch but it is only a 5 shot.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: tonymctones on December 22, 2012, 10:07:29 PM
Personally, I'd go with something like this.

Although you'll have to get some form of permit for the short barrel. Can't remember what it is.

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get yourself a gun trust shockwave and you get around the permit, I just had one created

If I remember correctly you live in Houston, I can give you the name of the lawyer I used as I live in Houston too.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 10:07:35 PM
You realize the M1 carbine fires a pistol round, right?

Yes very powerful pistol rounds!!! Do some research on the ballistics!! I have read some and watched a show about it on the military channel. For some reason they penetrate everything like crazy! At close range over penetration can easily occur. Further out it looses a lot of power.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
Yes very powerful pistol rounds!!! Do some research on the ballistics!! I have read some and watched a show about it on the military channel. For some reason they penetrate everything like crazy!

I live in NYC and to pull so many strings to get my full carry.     But it pays to be a winner as the Navy Seals say. 

If I have to face the end of the world  - for me  - glock 26, Ruger 10/22, Remi 870, AK47 are my guns of choice


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: deadz on December 22, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
My 38 is fine.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: kh300 on December 22, 2012, 10:10:24 PM
I been in a large swat group with full body armor with a m4 while people are throwing shit at me and not backing down. Let a few dogs go out and watch the people surrender or run away.

Dog is the best home protection you can get. The dog will hear the robber way before you. Then I recommend a 870 12 gauge. One of the best and most reliable guns ever. 2 rounds of buck shot followed by a slug.

My personal home defense gun is filled with rubber bullets. If someone breaks into my house I just want to knock them down so I can call the police so they can have a good honest trial. LOL just kidding. They'll be dead were they stand so they don't walk out of the courthouse with nothing but a home arrest.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 10:13:49 PM
I live in NYC and to pull so many strings to get my full carry.     But it pays to be a winner as the Navy Seals say. 

If I have to face the end of the world  - for me  - glock 26, Ruger 10/22, Remi 870, AK47 are my guns of choice

Good choices I love my glock 19 and mossberg 500. I'm looking into either getting an ak or even a little norinco sks. They only hold ten rounds but once you get use to feeding stripper clips you can reload really fast. I can't afford to spend 600-1000 dollars right now.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 10:17:01 PM
Good choices I love my glock 19 and mossberg 500. I'm looking into either getting an ak or even a little norinco sks. They only hold ten rounds but once you get use to feeding stripper clips you can reload really fast. I can't afford to spend 600-1000 dollars right now.

G-19 = awesome weapon


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 10:19:29 PM
G-19 = awesome weapon

Yes it is. One day I will have to get it's little brother the g26! Will be able to use all of my g19 mags with it. Perfect carry piece. A little thick, with a good iwb holster it's not a problem.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BIG DUB on December 22, 2012, 10:21:08 PM
My 38 is fine.

old school.. ;)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 10:21:31 PM
Yes it is. One day I will have to get it's little brother the g26! Will be able to use all of my g19 mags with it. Perfect carry piece. A little thick, with a good iwb holster it's not a problem.

I have the G-17 too.   I prefer the 26 TBH.  


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 10:21:46 PM
Yes very powerful pistol rounds!!! Do some research on the ballistics!! I have read some and watched a show about it on the military channel. For some reason they penetrate everything like crazy! At close range over penetration can easily occur. Further out it looses a lot of power.
Hmm. I have a colt 1911, I believe they fire the same round (.45 ACP). I know it's a great round, but never really paid much attention to how it acts fired from a carbine.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: makaveli25 on December 22, 2012, 10:25:42 PM
Hmm. I have a colt 1911, I believe they fire the same round (.45 ACP). I know it's a great round, but never really paid much attention to how it acts fired from a carbine.

It fires a .30 caliber round. Similar ballistics to a deer rifle. A little less power.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 22, 2012, 10:29:25 PM
It fires a .30 caliber round. Similar ballistics to a deer rifle.
Ah, you're correct. Must have been thinking of the Thompson.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 22, 2012, 10:30:58 PM
Two guns i need to complete my collection 

.308 SA SOCOM Scout

SA 911 .45 ACP Operator in Digital Camo or Sig P226


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BB on December 22, 2012, 10:35:44 PM
.30 Carbine is similar to an average .357 load. Back in the 60's - 70's, they were popular with stake - out teams. It's a bridge weapon, for home defense it's fine.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 22, 2012, 11:06:22 PM
We have a 3030 Winchester, 9mm Beretta PX4 storm, Remington 12g over/under (camo stock of course) just acquired this :D, Remington 12g single, .410 for the kid, .38 revolver police special (was my grandfathers).

Kinda figured gun hating libs like wooo, pedobear, che, whork, and the rest might not fair too well if an armed robber came in their homes and they yelled "hey now, thats not nice...stop I say, stop" before getting blown away!


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Tapeworm on December 22, 2012, 11:30:11 PM
But it pays to be a winner as the Navy Seals say. 

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Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 01:20:06 AM
We have a 3030 Winchester, 9mm Beretta PX4 storm, Remington 12g over/under (camo stock of course) just acquired this :D, Remington 12g single, .410 for the kid, .38 revolver police special (was my grandfathers).

Kinda figured gun hating libs like wooo, pedobear, che, whork, and the rest might not fair too well if an armed robber came in their homes and they yelled "hey now, thats not nice...stop I say, stop" before getting blown away!
I don't think wooo or che are gun haters. Actually, che has stated that banning guns wouldn't stop anything.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Moen on December 23, 2012, 01:30:29 AM
Idiot Americans and their guns.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Emmortal on December 23, 2012, 01:38:11 AM
Best gun for home defense: A WASR and some ammo.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: ob205 on December 23, 2012, 06:10:38 AM
saw these at a gun show, when I asked how is short barrel legal, seller said oh that's a pistol!

(http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1912728/10682603/1.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: mass243 on December 23, 2012, 07:04:00 AM
saw these at a gun show, when I asked how is short barrel legal, seller said oh that's a pistol!

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^^^^


Real deal here:
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Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 07:05:56 AM
Why wouldn't u want them dead?

manslaughter charges


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: tonymctones on December 23, 2012, 07:08:55 AM
saw these at a gun show, when I asked how is short barrel legal, seller said oh that's a pistol!

(http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1912728/10682603/1.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg)
Dracco's are considered pistols b/c they dont have a stock on them. It is illegal to place a stock on that gun without authorization though.



Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Montague on December 23, 2012, 07:09:49 AM
Two guns i need to complete my collection 

.308 SA SOCOM Scout

SA 911 .45 ACP Operator in Digital Camo or Sig P226


Which 226 model(s) are you considering?


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 23, 2012, 07:14:29 AM

Which 226 model(s) are you considering?

All of them.  ;D


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: 240 is Back on December 23, 2012, 07:52:55 AM
All of them.  ;D

 ;D  :D  8)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: canyon on December 23, 2012, 07:58:58 AM
snub nose revolver and a pump action shotgun is all you need for  home intruder...snub nose so barrel doesn't get caught on clothing and for close in action, pump action shot gun because that sound is universal, even some mexican national knows that sound.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: doison on December 23, 2012, 08:14:50 AM
I keep a 12-gauge and a .410 (for my wife) in the rack by our bed with slugs for both in the drawer.  

Biggest worry I have about using either of them on an intruder is accidentally hitting my presa canario who will already be eating one of the burglars.



I know a lot of people hate guns, but the only reason I bother locking my doors at night is to save ME the hassle of dealing with the police, etc. after some moron tries breaking into my house.  When you have a wife and small children at home, locking your doors to protect the INTRUDER is a nice way to go to sleep each night.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Neptune100 on December 23, 2012, 08:29:23 AM
Best weapon for home defense is a shotgun with buckshot. I have a tactical shotgun with adjustable buttstock to make the weapon a bit shorter, heat guard and 5 round ammo holder. Ill end up putting a light on it and maybe a rear sight aperture, although with a shotgun, in close quarters, using buckshot you do not need to be extremely accurate. Ill take this any day over an AR for home defense.



Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: che on December 23, 2012, 08:31:50 AM
I don't think wooo or che are gun haters. Actually, che has stated that banning guns wouldn't stop anything.
The Coach is back ,  ::)  oh brother .















Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: IronMeister on December 23, 2012, 08:40:24 AM
A small version of T.A.R 21 would  be a good chioce  ;)


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Ropo on December 23, 2012, 09:04:02 AM
I already have a glock 40, but looking for more, can't decide between an AR-15 or a nice shot gun...

Any thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxNrX-9P--0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_o3YsUVAyQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlry5KH6I0


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: Montague on December 23, 2012, 09:11:45 AM
All of them.  ;D


That's a rather expensive hobby.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: hrspwr1 on December 23, 2012, 09:43:19 AM
I keep a mossberg 590 loaded with #4 next to the bed, 3 dogs sleep on the living room by the door.

 My reality is that the most likely thing I need to protect would be our cattle/calfs from predators, but if a zombie comes to the door its goin down.


Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 09:51:20 AM
I keep a mossberg 590 loaded with #4 next to the bed, 3 dogs sleep on the living room by the door.

 My reality is that the most likely thing I need to protect would be our cattle/calfs from predators, but if a zombie comes to the door its goin down.

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Title: Re: Best gun for home defense?
Post by: BILL ANVIL on December 23, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
anyone here like the old thompson contender?


Title: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
I will eventually get a gun for home protection.

In getbiggers opinion, what is the best, most efficient gun for home protection?

As a getbigger, my hands and feet are registers as lethal weapons. But I thought it would be good to get a gun for home protection.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: calfzilla on October 07, 2017, 04:08:28 PM
These are the best guns!

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Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:10:59 PM
You will get a lot of different answers.  Some people will tell you to get a shotgun.

I always have a Glock 19 within arms reach for small problems and a Colt AR-15 for big problems.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Eric2 on October 07, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
Beyond what is the best home defense weapon. Whatever you wind up with become profecient with it. Get trained, learn how to break it down and reasemble it blind. Know your weapon as well as you know your own dick.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Be There on October 07, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
first you need to make sure you have the bottle to take a life...


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:15:15 PM
You will get a lot of different answers.  Some people will tell you to get a shotgun.

I always have a Glock 19 within arms reach for small problems and a Colt AR-15 for big problems.

I'd prefer a handgun.

What are your thoughts on a 9 mil?


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:15:47 PM
Beyond what is the best home defense weapon. Whatever you wind up with become profecient with it. Get trained, learn how to break it down and reasemble it blind. Know your weapon as well as you know your own dick.

I will make you proud!


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Eric2 on October 07, 2017, 04:17:25 PM
first you need to make sure you have the bottle to take a life...

Every body has it...............it just takes the right trigger to bring it out.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:18:43 PM
Yes, get some training and put a light on your weapon.  You have to be able to quickly id your target.  You don't want to smoke one of your loved ones by mistake.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: calfzilla on October 07, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Be advised guns are addictive. Hard to stop at 1.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:21:37 PM
I will make getbig proud!


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 04:22:05 PM
I will eventually get a gun for home protection.

In getbiggers opinion, what is the best, most efficient gun for home protection?

As a getbigger, my hands and feet are registers as lethal weapons. But I thought it would be good to get a gun for home protection.

if it's for "protection" don't bother. statistics show your household will be less safe if you own a gun.

think about it logically. if guns are so great for protection, how come the US with by far the most guns also has by far the highest murder rate in the developed world?


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: BB on October 07, 2017, 04:22:11 PM
(http://www.remington.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_gallery_1200/public/product/shotgun/images/870Marine_Mag.png?itok=KokAYgs8).

For most things, a good pump shotgun is still hard to beat for most urban/suburban folks. The Remington 870 is a proven choice with lots of aftermarket stuff, and in the nickel marine configuration, very low maintenance.

For a pistol - Smith and Wesson 66 .357 (you can also use .38 in it) or something in the Glock range of products.  


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:23:32 PM
I'd prefer a handgun.

What are your thoughts on a 9 mil?

Glock 19 is 9mm and it's an exquisite tool.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:25:15 PM
if it's for "protection" don't bother. statistics show your household will be less safe if you own a gun.

think about it logically. if guns are so great for protection, how come the US with by far the most guns also has by far the highest murder rate in the developed world?

There are LOTS of instances of responsible gun owners protecting their businesses and homes.

My home will be less safe if someone breaks into my residence with a gun and I don't have a gun.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:26:19 PM
(http://www.remington.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_gallery_1200/public/product/shotgun/images/870Marine_Mag.png?itok=KokAYgs8).

For most things, a good pump shotgun is still hard to beat for most urban/suburban folks. The Remington 870 is a proven choice with lots of aftermarket stuff, and in the nickel marine configuration, very low maintenance.

For a pistol - Smith and Wesson 66 .357 (you can also use .38 in it) or something in the Glock range of products.  

Thanks. I'm going to go the handgun route!


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:27:04 PM
Glock 19 is 9mm and it's an exquisite tool.

I'm going to be like Dirty Harry!!!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Eric2 on October 07, 2017, 04:27:42 PM
if it's for "protection" don't bother. statistics show your household will be less safe if you own a gun.

think about it logically. if guns are so great for protection, how come the US with by far the most guns also has by far the highest murder rate in the developed world?

Its really simple. America is a nation filled with murderous hebrews killing each other at rate close to their own birth rate.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:29:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5dJ-4PerEg


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: visualizeperfection on October 07, 2017, 04:29:51 PM
if it's for "protection" don't bother. statistics show your household will be less safe if you own a gun.

think about it logically. if guns are so great for protection, how come the US with by far the most guns also has by far the highest murder rate in the developed world?

Simple answer :


We have let to many of your type into the country.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
There are LOTS of instances of responsible gun owners protecting their businesses and homes.

My home will be less safe if someone breaks into my residence with a gun and I don't have a gun.

there are LOTS of anecdotal instances of all sorts. i am talking about the big picture. statistically you or someone else in your household is far more likely to be injured/killed with your own gun than the chances of you using it to protect yourself against an intruder.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: HTexan on October 07, 2017, 04:32:25 PM
Pump shotgun. Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 hold both in you hands and pick which one you like more.
Other opinion is a decent handgun. Just make sure you get hollow points. They donít go though walls which is great because you donít kill people by accident.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:32:28 PM
there are LOTS of anecdotal instances of all sorts. i am talking about the big picture. statistically you or someone else in your household is far more likely to be injured/killed with your own gun than the chances of you using it to protect yourself against an intruder.

Provide the evidence.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 07, 2017, 04:33:29 PM
Pump shotgun. Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 hold both in you hands and pick which one you like more.
Other opinion is a decent handgun. Just make sure you get hollow points. They donít go though walls which is great because you donít kill people by accident.

I didn't know that about hallow points! Great advice!


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:35:09 PM
there are LOTS of anecdotal instances of all sorts. i am talking about the big picture. statistically you or someone else in your household is far more likely to be injured/killed with your own gun than the chances of you using it to protect yourself against an intruder.

Tell that to the girl from Riverside.  It's all anecdotal until some monster grabs your teen daughter by the fucking neck and forces his way inside your home.

Quoting statistics to those cold blooded m0therfuckers isn't going to help.  Life isn't an academic exercise.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 07, 2017, 04:36:14 PM
Not sure if that is 100% true about hollow points, but they are the superior round for self defense and have less over penetration than fmj.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:38:49 PM
Self defense rounds (hollow tips) are made not to over-penetrate but you can't coun't on that 100%.  Plus not every shot you fire is gonna hit someone.

That's why you have to know your target and what's behind it.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 07, 2017, 04:40:14 PM
Self defense rounds (hollow tips) are made not to over-penetrate but you can't coun't on that 100%.  Plus not every shot you fire is gonna hit someone.

That's why you have to know your target and what's behind it.

What are your thoughts on birdshot for home defense? Must be the least risky as far as over penetration is concerned.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Be There on October 07, 2017, 04:42:03 PM
What are your thoughts on birdshot for home defense? Must be the least risky as far as over penetration is concerned.

makes a mess of the plaster work...


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 07, 2017, 04:42:33 PM
makes a mess of the plaster work...

 ;D


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 04:42:44 PM
Provide the evidence.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/20/more-guns-equal-more-deaths-study-finds.html

"The U.S. has the highest gun ownership rates and also has the highest rate of firearm-related deaths," said study co-author Dr. Sripal Bangalore, a cardiologist at the New York University School of Medicine. [5 Biggest Gun Control Milestones in History]

"Past studies have shown that gun owners are much likelier to be shot with their own weapons than they are to use it to thwart a crime. Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

"We can show that guns don't make a nation safer," Bangalore said.

"The study "provides some very convincing evidence that firearms-related deaths are very strongly correlated with prevalence of guns,"[NOSHT SHERLOCK!] said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a health services researcher at Boston Children's Hospital, who was not involved in the study."


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Primemuscle on October 07, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
No guns here. Three dogs. When someone rings the bell or knocks it sounds like a kennel. Any average sized person could easily come in through the dog doors. Unless they're either stupid or very brave, they won't try it.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:46:10 PM
What are your thoughts on birdshot for home defense? Must be the least risky as far as over penetration is concerned.

Can't speak on it since I don't have any experience with it.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: BB on October 07, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
The thing with birdshot is that it usually leaves a nasty, shallow wound. It looks horrible, heals ugly, but really doesn't take the fight out of people sometimes. It can work, but if the person is fat, wearing heavy clothing, etc....., it gets dicey.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 04:48:25 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/20/more-guns-equal-more-deaths-study-finds.html

"The U.S. has the highest gun ownership rates and also has the highest rate of firearm-related deaths," said study co-author Dr. Sripal Bangalore, a cardiologist at the New York University School of Medicine. [5 Biggest Gun Control Milestones in History]

"Past studies have shown that gun owners are much likelier to be shot with their own weapons than they are to use it to thwart a crime. Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

"We can show that guns don't make a nation safer," Bangalore said.

"The study "provides some very convincing evidence that firearms-related deaths are very strongly correlated with prevalence of guns,"[NOSHT SHERLOCK!] said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a health services researcher at Boston Children's Hospital, who was not involved in the study."

Without United States military protection you would be sucking on some chinese infantry man's 3 inch hard cock.

While you hate on merica just dwell on that little thought.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: chaos on October 07, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
if it's for "protection" don't bother. statistics show your household will be less safe if you own a gun.

think about it logically. if guns are so great for protection, how come the US with by far the most guns also has by far the highest murder rate in the developed world?
Because the US has by far the highest number of privately owned guns in the world? ::)

Just make sure you get hollow points. They don’t go though walls which is great because you don’t kill people by accident.
You must be joking ???


For a pistol - Smith and Wesson 66 .357 (you can also use .38 in it)
My first revolver, still have it.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 07, 2017, 04:53:28 PM
The thing with birdshot is that it usually leaves a nasty, shallow wound. It looks horrible, heals ugly, but really doesn't take the fight out of people sometimes. It can work, but if the person is fat, wearing heavy clothing, etc....., it gets dicey.

I guess it's a trade off like is often the case with firearms. Low penetration but probably not the best stopping power. There is a video of a college girl getting shot point blank range with bird shot and she just walks away.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: ESFitness on October 07, 2017, 04:56:39 PM
AR with a .50 Beowolf upper
5.5" barrel
Bowers suppressor
Bump-stock
Surefire led light
Verticle grip

Done

.... Maybe a FLIR thermal optic to get'em hiding in the bushes.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 04:57:01 PM
Because the US has by far the highest number of privately owned guns in the world? ::)
You must be joking ???

My first revolver, still have it.

exactly, conehead. if guns are so great for protection why is your murder rate so high when you have so many guns for "protection"


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 04:57:06 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/09/20/more-guns-equal-more-deaths-study-finds.html

"The U.S. has the highest gun ownership rates and also has the highest rate of firearm-related deaths," said study co-author Dr. Sripal Bangalore, a cardiologist at the New York University School of Medicine. [5 Biggest Gun Control Milestones in History]

"Past studies have shown that gun owners are much likelier to be shot with their own weapons than they are to use it to thwart a crime. Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

"We can show that guns don't make a nation safer," Bangalore said.

"The study "provides some very convincing evidence that firearms-related deaths are very strongly correlated with prevalence of guns,"[NOSHT SHERLOCK!] said Dr. Eric Fleegler, a health services researcher at Boston Children's Hospital, who was not involved in the study."

Some of the claims they make are absolutely absurd.  Steven Crowder has made some excellent videos that destroy these arguments.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 05:03:35 PM
exactly, conehead. if guns are so great for protection why is your murder rate so high when you have so many guns for "protection"

Why are you still free without the United States which you hate so much?

What is stopping your country from Chinese or Russian invasion?


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: chaos on October 07, 2017, 05:04:28 PM
exactly, conehead. if guns are so great for protection why is your murder rate so high when you have so many guns for "protection"
Maybe if you had an ounce of common sense you would be able to see that the places that have the highest murder rates also have the strictest gun control laws.
Do you think criminals would turn in their guns and follow the law if the government banned guns?


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 05:07:16 PM
Some of the claims they make are absolutely absurd.  Steven Crowder has made some excellent videos that destroy these arguments.

well it's a peer reviewed study. probably slightly more authoritative than some jerk off from youtube


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 05:14:35 PM
well it's a peer reviewed study. probably slightly more authoritative than some jerk off from youtube

Actually no.   How about this gem....

"Other research has shown that gun laws are linked with lower rates of firearms deaths."

Chicago anyone?  This is just absolutely not true.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 05:15:03 PM
Maybe if you had an ounce of common sense you would be able to see that the places that have the highest murder rates also have the strictest gun control laws.
Do you think criminals would turn in their guns and follow the law if the government banned guns?


hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 07, 2017, 05:15:12 PM
AR with a .50 Beowolf upper
5.5" barrel
Bowers suppressor
Bump-stock
Surefire led light
Verticle grip

Done

.... Maybe a FLIR thermal optic to get'em hiding in the bushes.

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.   8)


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 05:22:34 PM

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

I'm sorry but you are obviously talking about something that you don't understand.  You are polluting this thread with your bullshit.

If you don't like guns then don't buy one, all I ask is that you don't involve me in your delusional helplessness.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: chaos on October 07, 2017, 05:24:45 PM

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you
You might be used to losing your rights and living in a nanny state but Americans aren't. So you can stick to be mowed down by the muzzies you've allowed to run amok in your country, we'll stick to owning our extremely large collections of fully automatic firearms. :)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: ESFitness on October 07, 2017, 05:25:22 PM
Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about.   8)

Could also just go with a Kel-Tec KSG with 00 buck and slugs... And a light.


Probably the only thing from Kel-Tec worth any hard-earned money.. Besides maybe their .22mag, poormans FN 5.7


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 07, 2017, 05:28:14 PM
...and then there's this.

(http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Myth-Of-The-Moderate-Muslim.jpg)

(http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Islam_Dominate_55.jpg)


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 05:28:46 PM

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

10 YEARS!!!!!

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/fireman-in-uniform-picture-id124861710?s=170667a)



Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: chaos on October 07, 2017, 05:31:07 PM
...and then there's this.

(http://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Myth-Of-The-Moderate-Muslim.jpg)

(http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Islam_Dominate_55.jpg)

Apparently conker enjoys the company of those people. :-\


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 05:32:11 PM

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170821152317-donald-trump-squint-point-eclipse-exlarge-169.jpg)

"possesion of a fireman" - Conker 10/7/2017


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 05:35:31 PM

hmmm...japan vs US ? lol

give anyone a 10 year mandatory sentence for possesion of a fireman it will go some way to persuading them. this argument that if guns were banned there would be some huge violent crime spree with criminals taking advantage of newly unarmed innocents is retarded. gun crime would drop instantly.

anyway go back to sleep pointy head. a sack of rocks has more "common sense" than you

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170821151707-donald-trump-eclipse-exlarge-169.jpg)

Hey look...the dumb guy who hates America can't even spell.



Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 05:43:23 PM
SAVE YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY!!!!

POSSES YOUR LOCAL FIREMAN!!!!!


(http://previews.123rf.com/images/keeweeboy/keeweeboy1004/keeweeboy100400166/6821880-Fireman-Holding-Axe-Stock-Photo-fireman-firefighter-fire.jpg)


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 05:58:08 PM
You might be used to losing your rights and living in a nanny state but Americans aren't. So you can stick to be mowed down by the muzzies you've allowed to run amok in your country, we'll stick to owning our extremely large collections of fully automatic firearms. :)


you have no more "rights" than we do. you can get thrown in jail for steroid use, it's perfectly legal here. ffs you even have areas where alcohol is still prohibited!

i'm sure the families of the all the dead children in sandy hook and those killed in vegas and all the other countless random massacres are just thrilled that the "right" to bear arms trumps the right to live in a society free of a zillion insecure gun toting freaks.

more US civilians have been killed domestically in the last 50 years by guns than all those killed in all the wars in US history(home and abroad).

in the words of the great man himself after another random massacre or other

"letís be clear: at some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesnít happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it"


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Primemuscle on October 07, 2017, 06:03:27 PM
you have no more "rights" than we do. you can get thrown in jail for steroid use, it's perfectly legal here. ffs you even have areas where alcohol is still prohibited!

i'm sure the families of the all the dead children in sandy hook and those killed in vegas and all the other countless random massacres are just thrilled that the "right" to bear arms trumps the right to live in a society free of a zillion insecure gun toting freaks.

more US civilians have been killed domestically in the last 50 years by guns than all those killed in all the wars in US history(home and abroad).

in the words of the great man himself after another random massacre or other

"letís be clear: at some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesnít happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it"

Are you saying Americans are nuts and prone to violence? You might have hit the nail on the head. What can you expect when the President is a fear mongering jerk.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
you have no more "rights" than we do. you can get thrown in jail for steroid use, it's perfectly legal here. ffs you even have areas where alcohol is still prohibited!

i'm sure the families of the all the dead children in sandy hook and those killed in vegas and all the other countless random massacres are just thrilled that the "right" to bear arms trumps the right to live in a society free of a zillion insecure gun toting freaks.

more US civilians have been killed domestically in the last 50 years by guns than all those killed in all the wars in US history(home and abroad).

in the words of the great man himself after another random massacre or other

"letís be clear: at some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesnít happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it"

What is so advanced about your country?

It's easy to talk shit when your back is covered.

Could your country stop invasion from China or Russia without United States military help?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 07, 2017, 06:21:16 PM
SAVE YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY!!!!

POSSES YOUR LOCAL FIREMAN!!!!!


(http://previews.123rf.com/images/keeweeboy/keeweeboy1004/keeweeboy100400166/6821880-Fireman-Holding-Axe-Stock-Photo-fireman-firefighter-fire.jpg)

(https://hugelolcdn.com/i/391351.jpg)


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: chaos on October 07, 2017, 06:31:12 PM
Are you saying Americans are nuts and prone to violence? You might have hit the nail on the head. What can you expect when the President is a fear mongering jerk.
Your obama was the worst thing that ever happened to this country.  Tons of mass shootings under his administration.  You want to run over the fast and furious debacle?


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: polychronopolous on October 07, 2017, 06:38:32 PM
Are you saying Americans are nuts and prone to violence? You might have hit the nail on the head. What can you expect when the President is a fear mongering jerk.

But Prime wouldn't you say that actions speak louder than words?

You chose to insulate yourself in a highly segregated community many years ago.

You spew all this hate towards Americans while living in a community that is far more segregated than that of the vast majority of American getbiggers.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Montague on October 07, 2017, 08:17:26 PM
But Prime wouldn't you say that actions speak louder than words?

You chose to insulate yourself in a highly segregated community many years ago.

You spew all this hate towards Americans while living in a community that is far more segregated than that of the vast majority of American getbiggers.


Is that a rhetorical question?

Surely, you aren't expecting an educated, reasonable, or rational answer from him.
Prime is a typical lib: delusional, hypocritical, and the list goes on...


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: visualizeperfection on October 07, 2017, 11:51:11 PM

Is that a rhetorical question?

Surely, you aren't expecting an educated, reasonable, or rational answer from him.
Prime is a typical lib: delusional, hypocritical, and the list goes on...

He also sucks cock.


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: SuperTed on October 08, 2017, 01:04:51 AM
What is so advanced about your country?

It's easy to talk shit when your back is covered.

Could your country stop invasion from China or Russia without United States military help?

A Russian invasion would probably be the best thing that could ever happen to Western Europe, and the US for that matter.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Powerlift66 on October 08, 2017, 03:09:18 AM
Lets ban trucks and fertilizer while we are at it...

McVeigh killed 170 without a gun, people are gonna die by evil, sick retards, no matter what.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/18/03/27ABF0EF00000578-3044134-image-a-64_1429324135891.jpg)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 08, 2017, 06:04:30 AM
Lets ban trucks and fertilizer while we are at it...

McVeigh killed 170 without a gun, people are gonna die by evil, sick retards, no matter what.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/18/03/27ABF0EF00000578-3044134-image-a-64_1429324135891.jpg)


1.5 million US civilians killed by gunfire in last 50 years ....how many killed by bombs?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 08, 2017, 07:01:08 AM

1.5 million US civilians killed by gunfire in last 50 years ....how many killed by bombs?

I see the European Pomeranians are still giving their little whiny bark. Go away, your little  opinion doesnít actually matter at all.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Montague on October 08, 2017, 07:04:59 AM
I don't want to "speak for" Powerlift, but I believe his point is that - even in the absence of guns - evil people will still find ways to commit evil.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 08, 2017, 07:17:23 AM
Pump shotgun. Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 hold both in you hands and pick which one you like more.
Other opinion is a decent handgun. Just make sure you get hollow points. They donít go though walls which is great because you donít kill people by accident.

Hollow point hand gun bullets don't go through dry wall or doors?  You're wrong.  A lot of bad info on this thread.  Shot a couple 9MM and .357 Magnum hollow point at a car door. All shot went through the door. Dry wall and the sheathing plywood that frames a stick house wouldn't stop these rounds either.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Be There on October 08, 2017, 07:18:38 AM
Lets ban trucks and fertilizer while we are at it...

McVeigh killed 170 without a gun, people are gonna die by evil, sick retards, no matter what.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/18/03/27ABF0EF00000578-3044134-image-a-64_1429324135891.jpg)

looks like a plane flew into it....


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Powerlift66 on October 08, 2017, 07:25:29 AM
I don't want to "speak for" Powerlift, but I believe his point is that - even in the absence of guns - evil people will still find ways to commit evil.

Monty, that is exactly what I was trying to say. No civilian should own war grade weapons, and bump stocks should be ilegalized.
No use for them, except to kill people,and act tough on YouTube.

I like guns, (but I dont like the whack-job gun fanatics) but I do like common sense.
People will find a way, to kill people, sometimes guns make it easy for them, but if there is a will, there is a way.

It sucks. It's mental illness, banning guns will do nothing. Area's with strict gun control (Chicago) are the worst, criminals know decent people aren't packing.
So they run free with no worries. Politicians and whack-jobs who follow them (and politics in general) are retarded...


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Powerlift66 on October 08, 2017, 07:28:21 AM
And Trump, this guy is whacked. I'm glad Kilary didn't win, just so I don't have to see her, but this douche needs to go.
I like Pence, maybe Don will die of a KFC heart attack, and Pence will take over.

Next up, Oprah I hear. She's black, a woman, etc.
Automatic win by the libtard brain dead country.

WTF happened to America?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 08, 2017, 07:30:03 AM
Monty, that is exactly what I was trying to say. No civilian should own war grade weapons, and bump stocks should be ilegalized.
No use for them, except to kill people,and act tough on YouTube.

I like guns, (but I dont like the whack-job gun fanatics) but I do like common sense.
People will find a way, to kill people, sometimes guns make it easy for them, but if there is a will, there is a way.

It sucks. It's mental illness, banning guns will do nothing. Area's with strict gun control (Chicago) are the worst, criminals know decent people aren't packing.
So they run free with no worries. Politicians and whack-jobs who follow them (and politics in general) are retarded...

You clearly donít understand the intent of the second amendment. Civilians owning ďwar grade weaponsĒ was the whole fucking point. Work to repeal it if you want, it wonít matter. The Bill of Rights is not a list of things the government bestows on the people, itís a list of things bestowed by ďthe creatorĒ and that government is PROACTIVELY barred from infringing.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 08, 2017, 07:34:20 AM
Hollow point hand gun bullets don't go through dry wall or doors?  You're wrong.  A lot of bad info on this thread.  Shot a couple 9MM and .357 Magnum hollow point at a car door. All shot went through the door. Dry wall and the sheathing plywood that frames a stick house wouldn't stop these rounds either.

I never agree with OT, but heís spot on here. Itís clear that HTexan doesnít know fuck all about guns.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Princess L on October 08, 2017, 07:45:58 AM
And Trump, this guy is whacked. I'm glad Kilary didn't win, just so I don't have to see her, but this douche needs to go.
I like Pence, maybe Don will die of a KFC heart attack, and Pence will take over.

Next up, Oprah I hear. She's black, a woman, etc.
Automatic win by the libtard brain dead country.

WTF happened to America?


(http://www.americanteablogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/obama-epic-failure1.jpg)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: NotMrAverage on October 08, 2017, 07:50:35 AM
Ak-47 / kalashnikov. Gets the job done!


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: GigantorX on October 08, 2017, 07:51:47 AM
You clearly donít understand the intent of the second amendment. Civilians owning ďwar grade weaponsĒ was the whole fucking point. Work to repeal it if you want, it wonít matter. The Bill of Rights is not a list of things the government bestows on the people, itís a list of things bestowed by ďthe creatorĒ and that government is PROACTIVELY barred from infringing.

And what, exactly, is "war grade" weaponry? Besides a scary buzzword inventes by the anti Bill of Rights crowd to scare people?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: chaos on October 08, 2017, 08:44:18 AM
Lets ban trucks and fertilizer while we are at it...

McVeigh killed 170 without a gun, people are gonna die by evil, sick retards, no matter what.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/18/03/27ABF0EF00000578-3044134-image-a-64_1429324135891.jpg)
Take away the guns and criminals will up the ante and use more powerful weapons.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 08, 2017, 10:02:10 AM
I see the European Pomeranians are still giving their little whiny bark. Go away, your little  opinion doesnít actually matter at all.


shut it pencilneck . what you think this is...skinny fags R us ?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: visualizeperfection on October 08, 2017, 10:20:12 AM

shut it pencilneck . what you think this is...skinny fags R us ?

Aren't you a janitor?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 08, 2017, 10:24:07 AM
no


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: ratherbebig on October 08, 2017, 10:26:33 AM
any good watch dog is the best for home protection, theyll scare most intruders away and the few they wont they attack and finish and you dont even have to get outta bed while its happening.

name the dog 'guns' if you like.



Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: visualizeperfection on October 08, 2017, 10:32:12 AM
no

Serious question.

You're one of those common liberal fags, looking to change the world.

What is your idea of a perfect world, how should things be?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 08, 2017, 10:33:50 AM
fagget free


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: visualizeperfection on October 08, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
fagget free

Can we start with you?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 08, 2017, 02:55:58 PM
fagget free

Pipe down, eurofag. The adults are talking here.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 08, 2017, 03:00:13 PM
Pipe down, eurofag. The adults are talking here.

keep it shut you vagrant twink


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: daddy8ball on October 08, 2017, 04:17:08 PM
Glock 19/ Mossberg 12ga by the bed.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: ESFitness on October 08, 2017, 05:17:59 PM
Glock 19/ Mossberg 12ga Kel-Tec KSG 12gaby the bed.

fixxed


Title: Re: Question about Guns
Post by: Primemuscle on October 08, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
But Prime wouldn't you say that actions speak louder than words?

You chose to insulate yourself in a highly segregated community many years ago.

You spew all this hate towards Americans while living in a community that is far more segregated than that of the vast majority of American getbiggers.

Yes, I would say that. I'm lucky to afford to live in one of Portland's wealthiest neighborhoods. I'm not going to apologize for it.

-Not sure where you got the idea that I spew hate towards Americans. I have no hateful feelings toward any group of people, just individuals who piss me off and even then it is more dislike than hate. Also, I'm very forgiving.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Core on October 08, 2017, 06:29:48 PM
For daily carry a glock of some sort in 9mm. 9mm because it is cheap to shoot and does the job well enough. Better to practice a lot and be good with what many call a sub power caliber than only practice a couple times a month with 45acp due to its cost.

In the car, a bone stock AK, 3-4 extra mags, cleaning kit, and maybe another 200 rds hidden in a go bag with other essentials like food, water and first aid stuff to get you through a 24 hr situation. I say 7.62x39 over .223 due to round size, and cost effective ammo procurement. You can afford to shoot every weekend on almost any budget with an AK or SKS. The AK spits more lead downrange its that simple, and is cheap to buy, and hits hard at close range.

12 gauge shotgun for home defense. loaded with bird shot. Will make a mess of anyone, and is very intimidating. I like semi autos over pumps, its a firepower thing. You want to enact maximum violence in the least time. Pump would be good if you anticipate using it for hunting or using more diverse loads. Can't go wrong with either! 20g is a good option too, especially if you have a wife or GF. It will be softer on recoil, and can still dish out a lot of lead.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 08, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
For daily carry a glock of some sort in 9mm. 9mm because it is cheap to shoot and does the job well enough. Better to practice a lot and be good with what many call a sub power caliber than only practice a couple times a month with 45acp due to its cost.

In the car, a bone stock AK, 3-4 extra mags, cleaning kit, and maybe another 200 rds hidden in a go bag with other essentials like food, water and first aid stuff to get you through a 24 hr situation. I say 7.62x39 over .223 due to round size, and cost effective ammo procurement. You can afford to shoot every weekend on almost any budget with an AK or SKS. The AK spits more lead downrange its that simple, and is cheap to buy, and hits hard at close range.

12 gauge shotgun for home defense. loaded with bird shot. Will make a mess of anyone, and is very intimidating. I like semi autos over pumps, its a firepower thing. You want to enact maximum violence in the least time. Pump would be good if you anticipate using it for hunting or using more diverse loads. Can't go wrong with either! 20g is a good option too, especially if you have a wife or GF. It will be softer on recoil, and can still dish out a lot of lead.

Surprisingly cogent and well-reasoned advice.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 08, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
For daily carry a glock of some sort in 9mm. 9mm because it is cheap to shoot and does the job well enough. Better to practice a lot and be good with what many call a sub power caliber than only practice a couple times a month with 45acp due to its cost.

In the car, a bone stock AK, 3-4 extra mags, cleaning kit, and maybe another 200 rds hidden in a go bag with other essentials like food, water and first aid stuff to get you through a 24 hr situation. I say 7.62x39 over .223 due to round size, and cost effective ammo procurement. You can afford to shoot every weekend on almost any budget with an AK or SKS. The AK spits more lead downrange its that simple, and is cheap to buy, and hits hard at close range.

12 gauge shotgun for home defense. loaded with bird shot. Will make a mess of anyone, and is very intimidating. I like semi autos over pumps, its a firepower thing. You want to enact maximum violence in the least time. Pump would be good if you anticipate using it for hunting or using more diverse loads. Can't go wrong with either! 20g is a good option too, especially if you have a wife or GF. It will be softer on recoil, and can still dish out a lot of lead.

"Birdshot for self-defense seems awesome, with little to no penetration of walls, and youíre protected from the dreaded over-penetration right? Well, not a single birdshot load penetrates the required 12 inches to produce a reliable killing shot. Letís also remember that Dick Cheney accidentally shot his friend, a man well into the middle of his life, in the face with birdshot and the man made a full recovery.
How to hide your guns, and other off-grid cachesÖ
At the distance where youíre poking them with your shotgun Iím sure itís plenty fatal, but further than that and I just find it to be less and less likely thatíll youíll stop a threat effectively.  I also wouldnít want to be that close to a bad guy.
Why use an inferior load made for squirrels, birds and clay pigeons?
Now, of course, you have slugs, and slugs can be used to reach out a little further than standard buckshot ó roughly about 100 yards with a bead sight. Slugs can be devastating and are an option if the fight moves its way outside the home, or if you keep a shotgun for your trunk gun. Slugs are always good to have, but I personally donít like them as an inside-the-home defense load.
Slugs can really over-penetrate. Plus, why use a slug? After all, a shotgun is a shotgun because it shoots a load of shot. A slug gun is kind of a big, low capacity rifle.
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Buckshot is my choice for home defense. Buckshot consistently penetrates to 12 inches and is capable of producing devastating wounds.
So penetration is covered, but what about shot placement? Well, per-shot the shotgun provides multiple projectiles, creating multiple wound paths, and therefore increasing the likelihood of placing an effective shot. Even if nothing vital is hit and a fatal wound isnít inflicted, youíll have an attacker full of pieces of lead, creating multiple wound channels throughout his torso Ė not only a very painful series of wounds but a debilitating effect on the body."

I tend to agree with this guy


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: ESFitness on October 08, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
any good watch dog is the best for home protection, theyll scare most intruders away and the few they wont they attack and finish and you dont even have to get outta bed while its happening.

name the dog 'guns' if you like.



Cane Corso's or Filas are like $2500-3000. Glock 19 can be found for $600. lol


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Core on October 08, 2017, 10:22:00 PM
Surprisingly cogent and well-reasoned advice.

You have to think about the real world situations. For example a tricked out $3000 AR with all the tacticool goodies is a terrible choice for a car gun, since there's a chance it could be stolen. A $500 secondhand AK you haggled for at a pawn shop? Not so much of a loss. Thats $2500 in ammo you can buy for your AK, if you budget that $3000 for firearms and don't buy something fancy. You could get a sweet SKS for even less, and still have solid reliable firepower at short to medium range, plus tons of money to buy ammo to practice with.

You have to consider realistic combat scenarios too- do you really want to engage in a balls out gunfight? Because you or the other guy, or both of you will die or be seriously wounded. Your goal is to live remember, that is the whole point of self defense. That is why it is important to be able to suppress the aggressor if they are at range- no point lining up a headshot shot with that fancy eotech at 100 yds if theres a chance he's already got a bead on you. In that situation you should assume you are dead. So ditch the red dot, its a waste of money and optics kill your situational awareness anyway. You want to fire a lot of lead his way and get the hell out of there as fast as you can. Barring that, you want to relocate in such a way that you will have the upper hand at the next exchange of gunfire, so that the fight will be on your terms and not his. If you have only a pistol and are being engaged by a rifleman, you want to force him closer to you by getting out of his line of sight which will force him to come to you. At the least, it will buy you time to find a way around him to fire on him from a new angle that he does not expect.  

If at close range say under 50 yds, sights do not really matter that much. You can reliably hit targets without them if you have practiced enough, and your reaction time will be far better if you do not aim with the sights. Special forces run many close range drills with pistol and carbine that are simple reflex exercises based on this concept. Now will you be able to land headshots? Probably no. But you can hit the target in center mass, and you will hit them faster than they can hit you and that is what counts in a gunfight.

 And when you hit them, do you want to hit them with a piddly .223? No, you want to hit them with the biggest round you can afford to shoot regularly, and the logical answer to that is the 7.62x39 intermediate. Sure you could use special .223 loads to try and equal 7.62 performance, but again you've gotta think $ per round.  And screw those exotic rounds that all the tacticool types like to show off with- 300 blackout, 458 socom, 6.5, etc etc. They cost a lot of money to shoot regularly, and why would you devote more money to something than you have to? A gun is a tool, don't forget that.

Finally, practice firing your rifle, and your pistol equally and in varied situations. I'd say at least twice a month hit the range and put at least a hundred rounds through both to keep you sharp. You are more likely to use the pistol in real life situations, so if you must prioritize one then make it the pistol. There are tons of drills to practice that you can watch on youtube. Don't be that guy that just tries to shoot bullseyes at 500 yards all day long. That's not realistic.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Core on October 08, 2017, 10:36:39 PM
"Birdshot for self-defense seems awesome, with little to no penetration of walls, and youíre protected from the dreaded over-penetration right? Well, not a single birdshot load penetrates the required 12 inches to produce a reliable killing shot. Letís also remember that Dick Cheney accidentally shot his friend, a man well into the middle of his life, in the face with birdshot and the man made a full recovery.
How to hide your guns, and other off-grid cachesÖ
At the distance where youíre poking them with your shotgun Iím sure itís plenty fatal, but further than that and I just find it to be less and less likely thatíll youíll stop a threat effectively.  I also wouldnít want to be that close to a bad guy.
Why use an inferior load made for squirrels, birds and clay pigeons?
Now, of course, you have slugs, and slugs can be used to reach out a little further than standard buckshot ó roughly about 100 yards with a bead sight. Slugs can be devastating and are an option if the fight moves its way outside the home, or if you keep a shotgun for your trunk gun. Slugs are always good to have, but I personally donít like them as an inside-the-home defense load.
Slugs can really over-penetrate. Plus, why use a slug? After all, a shotgun is a shotgun because it shoots a load of shot. A slug gun is kind of a big, low capacity rifle.
Story continues below video

Buckshot is my choice for home defense. Buckshot consistently penetrates to 12 inches and is capable of producing devastating wounds.
So penetration is covered, but what about shot placement? Well, per-shot the shotgun provides multiple projectiles, creating multiple wound paths, and therefore increasing the likelihood of placing an effective shot. Even if nothing vital is hit and a fatal wound isnít inflicted, youíll have an attacker full of pieces of lead, creating multiple wound channels throughout his torso Ė not only a very painful series of wounds but a debilitating effect on the body."

I tend to agree with this guy

I'm not much of a shot gun guy if I'm honest. I've got a 20g I shoot trap and skeet with sometimes but other than that I'm into rifles. 12g is just too much kick and too unwieldy to get off multiple effective shots IMO. However, I don't think you could really go wrong unloading a 12g in someones face with buck or bird in the chamber. At the end of the day the idea is to end the threat, and even if he isn't dead, I highly highly doubt someone would be interested in a fight after taking a round to the chest from either type of shell.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 09, 2017, 04:57:31 AM
I'm not much of a shot gun guy if I'm honest. I've got a 20g I shoot trap and skeet with sometimes but other than that I'm into rifles. 12g is just too much kick and too unwieldy to get off multiple effective shots IMO. However, I don't think you could really go wrong unloading a 12g in someones face with buck or bird in the chamber. At the end of the day the idea is to end the threat, and even if he isn't dead, I highly highly doubt someone would be interested in a fight after taking a round to the chest from either type of shell.

Are you a little person?  12g has no more recoil than most long guns.  My wife shoots her 12g with no issues whatsoever.   ???


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: falco on October 09, 2017, 05:54:26 AM
And Trump, this guy is whacked. I'm glad Kilary didn't win, just so I don't have to see her, but this douche needs to go.
I like Pence, maybe Don will die of a KFC heart attack, and Pence will take over.

Next up, Oprah I hear. She's black, a woman, etc.
Automatic win by the libtard brain dead country.

WTF happened to America?

Why the obcession with the gender of the elected president? Does it matter?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: falco on October 09, 2017, 05:56:46 AM
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Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 09, 2017, 06:08:38 AM
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Sure.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Core on October 09, 2017, 12:41:55 PM
Are you a little person?  12g has no more recoil than most long guns.  My wife shoots her 12g with no issues whatsoever.   ???

No I'm 6 feet and over 200lbs. I'm just not a huge fan of shotguns. I've shot a lot of them when I Was younger, and they have a lot of limitations. I'd never keep one in my car on its own, because they are nigh on useless past 50 yards. Sure you can hit with buck at 50 yds, but how reliably is the question? Why leave your life to chance? They are a good supporting tool for exceptional situations when you need a strong force multiplier quickly, sporting use and for hunting game. Also reloading takes a lot longer, and you have a quite limited ammunition supply in the weapon itself.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 09, 2017, 01:01:07 PM
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Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Core on October 09, 2017, 03:55:58 PM
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And most of those governments were communist.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 09, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
And most of those governments were communist.

Yes, and yet a lot of college idiots have been brainwashed into thinking capitalism is evil and communism is righteous.

Our country is becoming more and more socialist by the minute because people refuse to accept the lessons of history.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 09, 2017, 04:19:34 PM
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Oh but that couldn't happen today, not by the US anyway.  ::)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 09, 2017, 04:22:47 PM
Oh but that couldn't happen today, not by the US anyway.  ::)

Ha ha, exactly.  Anybody who would think that must be crazy.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 10, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
Ha ha, exactly.  Anybody who would think that must be crazy.


and you think your pea shooters will help you if the government decides to turn against the people? with the military hardware they have at their disposal.

how did that work out for the good people in philadelphia when the gov bombed a residential area. i'm quite sure the residents were armed

the argument that your guns can protect against a rogue government is even more ridiculous than the "guns don't kill people" mantra. LOL

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Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Ted SuperSet on October 10, 2017, 12:38:45 PM

and you think your pea shooters will help you if the government decides to turn against the people? with the military hardware they have at their disposal.

how did that work out for the good people in philadelphia when the gov bombed a residential area. i'm quite sure the residents were armed

the argument that your guns can protect against a rogue government is even more ridiculous than the "guns don't kill people" mantra. LOL

(https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/8PVJnLtKpiNNUNTY3FaRnE5cZ8A=/http%3A%2F%2Fa.amz.mshcdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2Fmovebombing-5.jpg)

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What is the story on this???


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: BB on October 10, 2017, 12:53:27 PM
What is the story on this???

MOVE bombing. Black separatists in Philadelphia got a bomb dropped on them by the police -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eHpRjxk7N4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbGgysqE4c.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Ted SuperSet on October 10, 2017, 01:05:33 PM
MOVE bombing. Black separatists in Philadelphia got a bomb dropped on them by the police -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eHpRjxk7N4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbGgysqE4c.

Thats crazy.
I never heard of this before.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 10, 2017, 01:19:40 PM

and you think your pea shooters will help you if the government decides to turn against the people? with the military hardware they have at their disposal.

how did that work out for the good people in philadelphia when the gov bombed a residential area. i'm quite sure the residents were armed

the argument that your guns can protect against a rogue government is even more ridiculous than the "guns don't kill people" mantra. LOL


Look at the difficulty that the US military is having in Iraq.   You are talking about something that you don't understand.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 10, 2017, 01:25:22 PM
Look at the difficulty that the US military is having in Iraq.   You are talking about something that you don't understand.

Yes that is my argument when liberals say our guns are useless against a tyrannical government. Yes they can bomb the shit out of us but we can take tons of pot shots at them like what happened in Iraq.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Primemuscle on October 10, 2017, 01:53:19 PM

and you think your pea shooters will help you if the government decides to turn against the people? with the military hardware they have at their disposal.

how did that work out for the good people in philadelphia when the gov bombed a residential area. i'm quite sure the residents were armed

the argument that your guns can protect against a rogue government is even more ridiculous than the "guns don't kill people" mantra. LOL

(https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/8PVJnLtKpiNNUNTY3FaRnE5cZ8A=/http%3A%2F%2Fa.amz.mshcdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2Fmovebombing-5.jpg)

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PHILADELPHIA, May 13, 1985 - A state police helicopter this evening dropped a bomb on a house occupied by an armed group after a 24-hour siege involving gun battles. The resulting fire spread to about 60 other homes. This explains why in the photo the walls between the houses are intact.  The group, MOVE's protests were against police violence and the incarceration of members most rankled authorities.



Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 10, 2017, 02:07:18 PM
For clarity, (according to CBS) residents had been ordered to evacuate the area before the bomb was dropped.  A resulting fire is what destroyed the other houses not a giant bomb.

I don't know all the details and at least on the surface I disagree with the decision to bomb the house. However, the photos give the appearance that the police randomly dropped a bomb on a residential area without warning.  They did not.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 10, 2017, 05:46:54 PM
Yes that is my argument when liberals say our guns are useless against a tyrannical government. Yes they can bomb the shit out of us but we can take tons of pot shots at them like what happened in Iraq.

I wish I was that innocent and naÔve.. I admire you


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 10, 2017, 07:19:03 PM
I wish I was that innocent and naÔve.. I admire you

I will say I partly agree with you in that it is a little naive because Americans are much softer and pussified than your average Iraqi.

There may not be enough people to follow through with the pot shots to disrupt thing like in Iraq. We have been conditioned to obey.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 11, 2017, 05:07:45 AM

and you think your pea shooters will help you if the government decides to turn against the people? with the military hardware they have at their disposal.

how did that work out for the good people in philadelphia when the gov bombed a residential area. i'm quite sure the residents were armed

the argument that your guns can protect against a rogue government is even more ridiculous than the "guns don't kill people" mantra. LOL

(https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/8PVJnLtKpiNNUNTY3FaRnE5cZ8A=/http%3A%2F%2Fa.amz.mshcdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2Fmovebombing-5.jpg)

(https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/iFRMaiVsSNnP9tAXr20PKPlMDcE=/http%3A%2F%2Fa.amz.mshcdn.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2Fmovebombing-16.jpg)

Government employees live amongst the people. Target them at home, their protection detail and their families.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 11, 2017, 05:11:58 AM
Conker is such a eurofag pussy. Your chains rest so lightly on you that you donít even notice them. Please stay in your self-made ghetto and never visit my country. We do not need your pestilential attitude here.

Fuck off and die, homo.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Mr Anabolic on October 11, 2017, 05:28:45 AM
MOVE bombing. Black separatists in Philadelphia got a bomb dropped on them by the police -

I was 19 and living in Philly at the time and working at a local music store.  Everyone had their TV's tuned in to local news who covered it live.  It was bizarre.  It had a 9/11 feel to it, but on a much smaller scale.  Wilson Goode was the mayor and authorized the whole thing.  Interesting thing was, he was black.  A white mayor could've never gotten away with this.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: _aj_ on October 11, 2017, 05:43:13 AM
I was 19 and living in Philly at the time and working at a local music store.  Everyone had their TV's tuned in to local news who covered it live.  It was bizarre.  It had a 9/11 feel to it, but on a much smaller scale.  Wilson Goode was the mayor and authorized the whole thing.  Interesting thing was, he was black.  A white mayor could've never gotten away with this.

Also, IIRC, the point was to take out the one building with explosive, but it turns out that the philly PD arenít professional sappers and started a fire that consumed the entire block. Government stupidity and malevolence in one package.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 11, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Conker is such a eurofag pussy. Your chains rest so lightly on you that you donít even notice them. Please stay in your self-made ghetto and never visit my country. We do not need your pestilential attitude here.

Fuck off and die, homo.

"your country"  ::)

judging from your avi pic you look like someone of limited hygiene whose home is a cardboard box. go take a shower and have a shave you vagrant POS. 


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 11:27:44 AM
best to have several different guns hidden through out the house...... you never know where you're going to be when someone comes through the door.

also its of benefit to have diffefent types of knives,  pepper sprays and/or batons stashed around as well. they are cheap and easy to obtain and could give you an added advantage.

revolvers dont malfunction....ever.  but have limited firing capacity.

semi autos offer greater firing capacity and are easier to reload but can malfunction , if gun is jerked during the firing cycle stove pipes double feed, coil springs break etc... and those kinds of things happen under stress: being in a shootout is much different than shooting at the range...
shltguns are also a good option. ability to shoot and kill through drywall, doors. powerfull advantage and relatively inexpensive option for a long gun of course gun nuts love their AR's.....

you also have to consider your backstop especially if you have children in the home. limited penetration expanding rounds are available but you shouldnt pull the triger unless you know exactly what your shooting at anyway so why use the most lethal round. limited penetration rounds are questionable. dont have to worry as muc about your backstop but it could allow the target to survive. if you know what you're shooting at and justified in doing so then you want to shoot kill and end it quickly.

best advice is to reinforce your doors and windows use larger screws in the frames and hinges, thicker glass etc.own a large dog too... it wont stop someone but it will slow them down long enough to muster and arm your family.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Conker on October 11, 2017, 11:28:53 AM
For clarity, (according to CBS) residents had been ordered to evacuate the area before the bomb was dropped.  A resulting fire is what destroyed the other houses not a giant bomb.

I don't know all the details and at least on the surface I disagree with the decision to bomb the house. However, the photos give the appearance that the police randomly dropped a bomb on a residential area without warning.  They did not.

LOL so you can't blame them for the houses that consequently caught fire, they're only responsible for destroying the houses the bomb actually landed on!  ???

my god some of you people give a new meaning to the word stupid.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 11:31:32 AM
best to have several different guns hidden through out the house...... you never know whede you're going to be when someone comes through the door.

also its of benefit to have diffefent types of knivez or batons stashex around as well. fhey are cheap anx easy to obtain....


revolvers dont malfunction....ever but have limited firing capacity.

semi autos offer greater firing capacity and are easier to reload and malfunction if gun is jerked during the firing cycle. stove pipe double feed, coil springs break etc... and those kinds of things happen unxer stress being in a shootout is much different than shooting at the range...
shltguns are also a good option. ability to shoot and kill through dryway, doors. powerfull advantage. of courze gun nuts love their AR's.....

you also have to consider your backstop especially if you have children in the home. limited penetration expanding rounds are available but you shouldnt lull the triger unless you know exactly what your shooting at anyway so why use the most lethal round.

best advice is to reinforce your doors and windows use larger screws in the frames and hinges, thicker glass etc.... it wont stop someone but it will sllw them down long enough to muster and arm your family.

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Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
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SF i dont particularly like you or your viewpoints but youre entitled  to them. why are you even in this thread? we know how you feel about guns. believe it or not im not agun nut. im fairly middle of the road o n gun control.... but i spent most of my life growing up in detroit and its far worse than the media lets on. where i grew up these precautions were a response to everyday events the happened in the nieghborhood. one of my buddies was shot and killed right in front of me. 9 or 10 of my friends were robbed at gunpoint. 4 or 5 of my frieds were involvex in shootings , meaning an exchange of gun fire, me included. my nieghbor killed a guy on his front lawn during a bar b Q. i dont know where you live or what enviroment you were raised in but i can tell thats this kind of inner city life is common in detroit, chicago and parts of new york it is totally foreign to you. you will never understand it. that is why you mock it - "we mock what we dont understand".


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 11:50:23 AM
SF i dont particularly like you or your viewpoints but youre entitled  to them. why are you even in this thread? we know how you feel about guns. believe it or not im not agun nut. im fairly middle of the road o n gun control.... but i spent most of my life growing up in detroit and its far worse than the media lets on. where i grew up these precautions were a response to everyday events the happened in the nieghborhood. one of my buddies was shot and killed right in front of me. 9 or 10 of my friends were robbed at gunpoint. 4 or 5 of my frieds were involvex in shootings , meaning an exchange of gun fire, me included. my nieghbor killed a guy on his front lawn during a bar b Q. i dont know where you live or what enviroment you were raised in but i can tell thats this kind of inner city life is common in detroit, chicago and parts of new york it is totally foreign to you. you will never understand it. that is why you mock it - "we mock what we dont understand".

I really do not care if you like me or my viewpoints. With that regard, you truly do not know my viewpoints on most issues, as I rarely discuss them here.

How do I feel about guns? I go skeet and target shooting with my friend all the time. Further, you realize this thread got bumped because I asked getbig what handgun I should get for home protection? My post is on page 5.  Thus, I support gun ownership by law abiding citizens, but I am also not a gun nut.

Reply #123: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=452773.100

Ummmmmm, I was born and raised in NYC and went to an all black high school, which is/was overrun by bloods, crips, and latin kings. I hung out on Jamaica Avenue and Sutphin Blvd in Queens (look them up). It is currently the 2nd worst ranked highschool in NYC. Even when I attended it, it was a horrible high school. I also did part of my training in South Central LA, working in gang ridden areas. So, please, tell me again, how foreign this environment is to me? lol.  But, hey, whatever you have to tell yourself about me.  :D :D :D So, basically, your whole statement about me is false. I hope you're not this big of a dope in real life.  :-\ :-\


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 11, 2017, 12:06:37 PM
LOL so you can't blame them for the houses that consequently caught fire, they're only responsible for destroying the houses the bomb actually landed on!  ???

my god some of you people give a new meaning to the word stupid.

I didn't say that Cucker, learn to read.  I just think it's important to add some relevant details rather than just posting a picture that creates a false impression.

The people whose houses were burned were evacuated firsts and were compensated for their house being burned.  It matters.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 12:58:35 PM
SF i dont particularly like you or your viewpoints but youre entitled  to them. why are you even in this thread? we know how you feel about guns. believe it or not im not agun nut. im fairly middle of the road o n gun control.... but i spent most of my life growing up in detroit and its far worse than the media lets on. where i grew up these precautions were a response to everyday events the happened in the nieghborhood. one of my buddies was shot and killed right in front of me. 9 or 10 of my friends were robbed at gunpoint. 4 or 5 of my frieds were involvex in shootings , meaning an exchange of gun fire, me included. my nieghbor killed a guy on his front lawn during a bar b Q. i dont know where you live or what enviroment you were raised in but i can tell thats this kind of inner city life is common in detroit, chicago and parts of new york it is totally foreign to you. you will never understand it. that is why you mock it - "we mock what we dont understand".

ESF, is that you?   ???


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: residue on October 11, 2017, 01:05:55 PM
Yes, and yet a lot of college idiots have been brainwashed into thinking capitalism is evil and communism is righteous.

Our country is becoming more and more socialist by the minute because people refuse to accept the lessons of history.

the quality of life is most of these socialist leaning countries far outweigh america's

denmark,finland, netherlands,canada, sweden, norway, ireland, new zealand,belgium


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 01:09:06 PM
the quality of life is most of these socialist leaning countries far outweigh america's

denmark,finland, netherlands,canada, sweden, norway, ireland, new zealand,belgium

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Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 11, 2017, 01:55:59 PM
the quality of life is most of these socialist leaning countries far outweigh america's

denmark,finland, netherlands,canada, sweden, norway, ireland, new zealand,belgium

Did you notice that you just named a bunch of countries that are pretty much all white people?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 02:38:21 PM
I really do not care if you like me or my viewpoints. With that regard, you truly do not know my viewpoints on most issues, as I rarely discuss them here.

How do I feel about guns? I go skeet and target shooting with my friend all the time. Further, you realize this thread got bumped because I asked getbig what handgun I should get for home protection? My post is on page 5.  Thus, I support gun ownership by law abiding citizens, but I am also not a gun nut.

Reply #123: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=452773.100

Ummmmmm, I was born and raised in NYC and went to an all black high school, which is/was overrun by bloods, crips, and latin kings. I hung out on Jamaica Avenue and Sutphin Blvd in Queens (look them up). It is currently the 2nd worst ranked highschool in NYC. Even when I attended it, it was a horrible high school. I also did part of my training in South Central LA, working in gang ridden areas. So, please, tell me again, how foreign this environment is to me? lol.  But, hey, whatever you have to tell yourself about me.  :D :D :D So, basically, your whole statement about me is false. I hope you're not this big of a dope in real life.  :-\ :-\

hey look no hard feelings allright. the Jay picture was pretty funny but since you're  gonna resort to name calling......

i dont care enoug about you to tell myself anything about you. NYC is a different animal than Detroit. there are still loads of great nighborhoods in NYC. high priced nieghborhoods, real estate through the roof. Even with the masssssive difference in population Detroit has more murders ( im pretty sure at a flat rate too not per capita) by far. dont tell me about high school or that you "hung out" on Jamaica Ave. what a joke. thats your street cred? that you "hung out" on Jamaica Ave. so you and some of your candy ass friends drove down there one night to buy a bag of weed? Lol. great. my wife and all her girls "hung out" in Jamaica queens all the time when she lived in NY. LOL im gliad you survived to tell us about it. maybe you and my woman can get together with her girlfriends a compare notes on how tough it was "hanging out" on Jamaica Ave. if you had any street sense at all you wouldnt be asking getbiggers what kind of gun to get for home protection. but since you did- you can read my post again.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
hey look no hard feelings allright. the Jay picture was pretty funny but since you're  gonna resort to name calling......

i dont care enoug about you to tell myself anything about you. NYC is a different animal than Detroit. there are still loads of great nighborhoods in NYC. high priced nieghborhoods, real estate through the roof. Even with the masssssive difference in population Detroit has more murders ( im pretty sure at a flat rate too not per capita) by far. dont tell me about high school or that you "hung out" on Jamaica Ave. what a joke. thats your street cred? that you "hung out" on Jamaica Ave. so you and some of your candy ass friends drove down there one night to buy a bag of weed? Lol. great. my wife and all her girls "hung out" in Jamaica queens all the time when she lived in NY. LOL im gliad you survived to tell us about it. maybe you and my woman can get together with her girlfriends a compare notes on how tough it was "hanging out" on Jamaica Ave. if you had any street sense at all you wouldnt be asking getbiggers what kind of gun to get for home protection. but since you did- you can read my post again.

You stated that those environments were totally foreign to me: you were wrong. Then, you change by saying, "NYC is a different animal than Detroit" after I asserted that those types of neighborhoods were not foreign to me. Then, you assume that you know how often I hung out in those neighborhoods and with who. Wrong again. I hung out practically every day in those neighborhoods, as well as different neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Harlem. Either way, you were wrong, you just don't want to admit. You made an assumption about me and likely assumed I grew up in a small town in Arkansas with 100 white people (just an example). No matter what I say, you're going to try and discredit me. You didn't hang out there long enough, you didn't hang out with this person, blah, blah, blah. Like most kids in big cities, I've seen similar stuff as you. Does it give me street credit? Nope, not at all. I am 36. I dont want street credit. I mean, how old are you? lol. I never said it did give me street credit. It just proves you wrong that those neighborhoods are foreign to me by providing you with anecdotal evidence. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for having street sense, of course I have street sense, just in different ways. I am 36 now. At my age, does it really matter what area I hang out in? Even if I learned about guns during my younger days, its not something that would stick me. Further, there have been gun advances in the last, say, 20-25 years, thus asking for gun advice.

Ill most likely go with a standard 9 millimeter glock.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 05:42:03 PM
so heres how SF's time in the streets went....

SF: hey boys if we're going to this party tonight we should bring some weed. my friend Jamal from my social justice class sells weed on Jamaica Ave.

candy asses: Gulp, Jamaica Ave!!!??? are you serious we could get kkkkkilled.

SF: relax, I grew up on the streets. i know how to handle this. Crips used to go to my high school.

candy asses: yeah but your parents sold the house and you moved to Staten Island the next day.

SF: shut up! thats not the point. I know what Im doing. Jamals my main man. I hang out with him all the time.

a few minutez later on Jamaica Ave.....

SF: hey check out those girls over there. they're pretty hot.

candy asses: oh I wouldnt mess with them if I were you. that one is dating a real bad ass from Detroit.

SF: (getting more frustrated) stop it. how many times do i have to tell you Im a product of the streets.

candy passes:(in unison) yeah yeah yeah... we know.

a few minutes later....

SF: hey look theres my boy Jamal.

SF what up Jamal, can I get a dime bag?

Jamal: shut the fuck up white boy! dont ever use my real fucking name when im doing work. thats 20 bucks.

SF: but i asked for a dime bag.

Jamal: i said give me 20 then get the fuck out of here.

SF: OK buddy rwenty it is. thanks, see you monday at class.Thanks again.

later at the party

SF: so like I was telling you my hood is hard as fuck. i hangout on Jamaica Ave all the time.

lolololololo hahahahaha lolololololo......

sorry dude I didnt recognize you wsrent one to be triffled with. My apologies. forgive me please next time I wont makes so many false assumptions.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 05:45:11 PM
so heres how SF's time in the streets went....

SF: hey boys if we're going to this party tonight we should bring some weed. my friend Jamal from my social justice class sells weed on Jamaica Ave.

candy asses: Gulp, Jamaica Ave!!!??? are you serious we could get kkkkkilled.

SF: relax, I grew up on the streets. i know how to handle this. Crips used to go to my high school.

candy asses: yeah but your parents sold the house and you moved to Staten Island the next day.

SF: shut up! thats not the point. I know what Im doing. Jamals my main man. I hang out with him all the time.

a few minutez later on Jamaica Ave.....

SF: hey check out those girls over there. they're pretty hot.

candy asses: oh I wouldnt mess with them if I were you. that one is dating a real bad ass from Detroit.

SF: (getting more frustrated) stop it. how many times do i have to tell you Im a product of the streets.

candy passes:(in unison) yeah yeah yeah... we know.

a few minutes later....

SF: hey look theres my boy Jamal.

SF what up Jamal, can I get a dime bag?

Jamal: shut the fuck up white boy! dont ever use my real fucking name when im doing work. thats 20 bucks.

SF: but i asked for a dime bag.

Jamal: i said give me 20 then get the fuck out of here.

SF: OK buddy rwenty it is. thanks, see you monday at class.Thanks again.

later at the party

SF: so like I was telling you my hood is hard as fuck. i hangout on Jamaica Ave all the time.

lolololololo hahahahaha lolololololo......

sorry dude I didnt recognize you wsrent one to be triffled with. My apologies. forgive me please next time I wont makes so many false assumptions.

I've never smoked marijuana a day in my life. I always considered smoking to be something grotesque.

Thus, your story is not even remotely close.

Beakdoctor: Yo, man, I grew up in detroit. I got mad street credit.
Guy: But, you grew up in the good area of detroit.
Beakdoctor: Yo, DETROIT, DETROIT, DETROIT!!
Guy: What have you experienced?
Beakdoctor: Yo, I saw a friend get shot.
Guy: Um, I know of that shooting and it was a bibigun.
Beakdoctor: YO, yo, DETROIT, DETROIT, DETROIT! I saw a buddy of mine get shot, for real.
Guy: Yeah, that didn't happen. I heard that your friend got his wallet picked and the guy ran.
Beakdoctor: Yo, you don't know where I grew up in. DETROIT, DETROIT, DETROIT! I was robbed at gunpoint! Straight up!! DETROIT, DETROIT, DETROIT!
Guy: I know the guy that robbed you. He approached you, pushed you to the ground and stole your wallet.
Beakdoctor: I got mad STREET CREDIT STILL!! DETROIT, DETROIT, DETROIT!!
Guy: So, basically, all of these minor events that have happened to you, have happened to a lot of inner city kids. Great!!
Beakdoctor: YO, DETROIT, DETROIT, DETROIT!!


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 05:53:17 PM
hey i dont know you at all. maybe i got you all wrong. its Getbig. just fucking around. no hard feelings.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 05:55:54 PM
hey i dont know you at all. maybe i got you all wrong. its Getbig. just fucking around. no hard feelings.

Well, for all I know, your stories are total bullshit.

For all you know, I did grow up in a small town in Arkansas.

And yes, it's getbig, after all.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 06:05:16 PM
you know what though......

 Seeing a buddy get shot and killed is not a minor incident. (well maybs in your neck of the woods)  just because people get robbed and shot everyday doesnt make it meaningless or "minor."

by th way your story wasn't good....at all.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 06:09:50 PM
you know what though......

 Seeing a buddy get shot and killed is not a minor incident. just because people get robbed and shot everyday doesnt make it meaningless.

by th way your story wasn't good....at all.

Of course my story was good.

Like you said, this is getbig, after all. For all I know, your stories could be total lies and I could be lying about parts or all of my story.

I really don't care what you experienced in Detroit. You chose to divulge that you lived in Detroit and seemed quite proud of it! You chose to tell me you lived in Detroit because I posted a picture of Jay Cutler lol. Strange! Anyway.....


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 06:37:27 PM
Of course my story was good.

Like you said, this is getbig, after all. For all I know, your stories could be total lies and I could be lying about parts or all of my story.

I really don't care what you experienced in Detroit. You chose to divulge that you lived in Detroit and seemed quite proud of it! You chose to tell me you lived in Detroit because I posted a picture of Jay Cutler lol. Strange! Anyway.....

i dont expect you to care about me or my experiences. Having a cavalier or dismissive attitude about violent crime  lets me know it was never anything you had to worry about.....



Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 06:45:40 PM
i dont expect you to care about me or my experiences. Having a cavalier or dismissive attitude about violent crime  lets me know it was never anything you had to worry about.

You were dismissive about my experience (you even wrote a "funny" skit about it), hence I gave it right back to you. Don't whine when someone dishes it back to you.

Again, all I did was post a picture of Jay Cutler and you went into this tirade about how you're from Detroit.  ??? ???


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 06:51:18 PM
hey man you're the guy online asking about guns and home safety. i give you a solid response and you mock me with Cutler pic. i gave you some background on me figuring you might go back and re-read my post and learn something. i should've known that was pointless because your a dumbass white liberal with no life experience who already knows everything.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: chaos on October 11, 2017, 06:52:54 PM
Beakdoctor schooling sf on what it means to be OG. ;D


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 06:55:23 PM
Beakdoctor schooling sf on what it means to be OG. ;D

Not what you said via text.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 06:58:44 PM
hey man you're the guy online asking about guns and home safety. i give you a solid response and you mock me with Cutler pic. i gave you some background on me figuring you might go back and re-read my post and learn something. i should've known that was pointless because your a dumbass white liberal with no life experience who already knows everything.

Hmmm, more attacking, because you attacked me first, then I give it back to you, then you cry that I am being dismissive.

Yes, I read your statement and was posted the Cutler pic as a joke. Geez, get a drip dude. That pic is posted tons of times on here whenever we discuss war or guns here. Again, a joke.

You don't know anything about my life experience, nor my beliefs or ideals. I didn't care to know anything about you, but you chose to share some life experiences in response to a comical Jay Cutler pic. Geez.  :-\ :-\


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 07:10:05 PM
best to have several different guns hidden through out the house...... you never know where you're going to be when someone comes through the door.

also its of benefit to have diffefent types of knives,  pepper sprays and/or batons stashed around as well. they are cheap and easy to obtain and could give you an added advantage.

revolvers dont malfunction....ever.  but have limited firing capacity.

semi autos offer greater firing capacity and are easier to reload but can malfunction , if gun is jerked during the firing cycle stove pipes double feed, coil springs break etc... and those kinds of things happen under stress: being in a shootout is much different than shooting at the range...
shltguns are also a good option. ability to shoot and kill through drywall, doors. powerfull advantage and relatively inexpensive option for a long gun of course gun nuts love their AR's.....

you also have to consider your backstop especially if you have children in the home. limited penetration expanding rounds are available but you shouldnt pull the triger unless you know exactly what your shooting at anyway so why use the most lethal round. limited penetration rounds are questionable. dont have to worry as muc about your backstop but it could allow the target to survive. if you know what you're shooting at and justified in doing so then you want to shoot kill and end it quickly.

best advice is to reinforce your doors and windows use larger screws in the frames and hinges, thicker glass etc.own a large dog too... it wont stop someone but it will slow them down long enough to muster and arm your family.

Revolvers do malfunction.  Hope this helps. 


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 07:16:17 PM
hint: take care of them and load the correct round. hppe this helps.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 07:21:26 PM
Revolvers do malfunction.  Hope this helps.  

So, you're basically insinuating that someone with all this street credit (beakdoctor) does not know anything about guns by providing me with wrong information? haha lol.

And, yet, he told me that I would know about guns if I had street credit, yet he is giving me wrong information about guns.  :D :D

From an article: "Revolvers Donít Jam & Other Firearms Myths."

This is why I love getbig!! Everyone is a badass expert from the streets who knows everything, until they get proven wrong.  :D :D :D

Thanks Twaddle. I would not buy a revolver anyway.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 07:27:08 PM
So, you're basically insinuating that someone with all this street credit (beakdoctor) does not know anything about guns by providing me with wrong information? haha lol.

And, yet, he told me that I would know about guns if I had street credit, yet he is giving me wrong information about guns.  :D :D

From an article: "Revolvers Donít Jam & Other Firearms Myths."

This is why I love getbig!! Everyone is a badass expert from the streets who knows everything, until they get proven wrong.  :D :D :D

Thanks Twaddle. I would not buy a revolver anyway.

Revolvers are simple tools, but they are not unfailing.  They can malfunctions just like any other firearm.  If beakdoktor thinks revolvers can't malfunction, he is mistaken.  I've had both Ruger and S&W revolvers malfunction. 


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 07:30:20 PM
Revolvers are simple tools, but they are not unfailing.  They can malfunctions just like any other firearm.  If beakdoktor thinks revolvers can't malfunction, he is mistaken.  I've had both Ruger and S&W revolvers malfunction. 

Well, I just watched quite a few youtube videos of people demonstrating how revolvers can in fact jam in certain ways.

But, I guess there are a multitude of ways that a gun can malfunction: jamming being one way.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 07:33:32 PM
Well, I just watched quite a few youtube videos of people demonstrating how revolvers can in fact jam in certain ways.

But, I guess there are a multitude of ways that a gun can malfunction: jamming being one way.

Correct.  If you're truly serious about getting a firearm for the house, go to your local gun range, and rent several pistols and revolvers.  Decide what you like best, and what you shoot the easiest. 


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 07:38:30 PM
So, you're basically insinuating that someone with all this street credit (beakdoctor) does not know anything about guns by providing me with wrong information? haha lol.

And, yet, he told me that I would know about guns if I had street credit, yet he is giving me wrong information about guns.  :D :D

From an article: "Revolvers Donít Jam & Other Firearms Myths."

This is why I love getbig!! Everyone is a badass expert from the streets who knows everything, until they get proven wrong.  :D :D :D

Thanks Twaddle. I would not buy a revolver anyway.

yep thats exactly what hes saying and thats why hes wrong. if hes had not one but two revolvers malfunction then he doesnt know what hes doing. he either doesnt know how to take care of it, shoot it pr load it. of course nothing is infallible but it is highly unusual for revolvers to malfunction. if yors malfunction repeatedly, lord only knows how the fuck youre handling them.......so SF please take your advice from the guy whose guns always malfunction. you two make a good team.



Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 07:44:11 PM
Revolvers are simple tools, but they are not unfailing.  They can malfunctions just like any other firearm.  If beakdoktor thinks revolvers can't malfunction, he is mistaken.  I've had both Ruger and S&W revolvers malfunction. 

I've shot rifles, shot guns and handguns.

I've always liked handguns, but a lot of people are saying that a shotgun is better for home protection.

I guess Ill cross that bridge when I purchase a firearm.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 07:48:55 PM
best to have several different guns hidden through out the house...... you never know where you're going to be when someone comes through the door.

also its of benefit to have diffefent types of knives,  pepper sprays and/or batons stashed around as well. they are cheap and easy to obtain and could give you an added advantage.

revolvers dont malfunction....ever.  but have limited firing capacity.

semi autos offer greater firing capacity and are easier to reload but can malfunction , if gun is jerked during the firing cycle stove pipes double feed, coil springs break etc... and those kinds of things happen under stress: being in a shootout is much different than shooting at the range...
shltguns are also a good option. ability to shoot and kill through drywall, doors. powerfull advantage and relatively inexpensive option for a long gun of course gun nuts love their AR's.....

you also have to consider your backstop especially if you have children in the home. limited penetration expanding rounds are available but you shouldnt pull the triger unless you know exactly what your shooting at anyway so why use the most lethal round. limited penetration rounds are questionable. dont have to worry as muc about your backstop but it could allow the target to survive. if you know what you're shooting at and justified in doing so then you want to shoot kill and end it quickly.

best advice is to reinforce your doors and windows use larger screws in the frames and hinges, thicker glass etc.own a large dog too... it wont stop someone but it will slow them down long enough to muster and arm your family.

yep thats exactly what hes saying and thats why hes wrong. if hes had not one but two revolvers malfunction then he doesnt know what hes doing. he either doesnt know how to take care of it, shoot it pr load it. of course nothing is infallible but it is highly unusual for revolvers to malfunction. if yors malfunction repeatedly, lord only knows how the fuck youre handling them.......so SF please take your advice from the guy whose guns always malfunction. you two make a good team.



I thought you said revolvers don't malfunction.  Ever.  Now, you say they do?  Well, which is it? 

Also, where did I say my weapons malfunction repeatedly, or always?  Why are you making shit up?   ???


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 11, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
I've shot rifles, shot guns and handguns.

I've always liked handguns, but a lot of people are saying that a shotgun is better for home protection.

I guess Ill cross that bridge when I purchase a firearm.

I don't really think there is one answer. For example. I have trained on a number of weapons. For my house, I have a Beretta 9000 affixed behind my night stand. I have a M&P 40 under the coffee table. I have zero expectation of using them for home defense as the stats just don't make it very probable but in the event it happens, I am confident with either I can likely come out on top. My wife, not so hot on shooting skills. She has a single shot 12 gauge with buckshot under her side of the bed. if she hits fine.. if she misses fine, that kind of sound.. the average burglar will be crapping their pants to get out of the house. 


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 07:55:02 PM
I've shot rifles, shot guns and handguns.

I've always liked handguns, but a lot of people are saying that a shotgun is better for home protection.

I guess Ill cross that bridge when I purchase a firearm.

Get whatever makes you happy, you can afford, and you can take to a range and practice with.  A pistol or revolver is a great way to start.  


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 07:56:55 PM
I don't really think there is one answer. For example. I have trained on a number of weapons. For my house, I have a Beretta 9000 affixed behind my night stand. I have a M&P 40 under the coffee table. I have zero expectation of using them for home defense as the stats just don't make it very probable but in the event it happens, I am confident with either I can likely come out on top. My wife, not so hot on shooting skills. She has a single shot 12 gauge with buckshot under her side of the bed. if she hits fine.. if she misses fine, that kind of sound.. the average burglar will be crapping their pants to get out of the house.  

Yeah, it seems like its really coming down to personal comfort, as I will probably get 100 different answers. Opinions on guns are like opinions on weightlifting: everyone has an opinion on how to get 18" guns (that was a good pun).  :D :D  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 07:58:51 PM
Yeah, it seems like its really coming down to personal comfort, as I will probably get 100 different answers. Opinions on guns are like opinions on weightlifting: everyone has an opinion on how to get 18" guns (that was a good pun).  :D :D >:( >:(

You're exactly right.  Everyone will have a different opinion.  Get something you're comfortable with, can afford, and can practice with.  Springfield, Glock, and M&P all make great firearms. 


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 07:59:20 PM
Get whatever makes you happy, you can afford, and you can take to a range and practice with.  A pistol or revolver is a great way to start.  

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-home-defense-handguns/

I just found this article.

They listed this as #1

Taurus Raging Judge Magnum Revolver

(https://guncarrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/taurus-raging-judge-magnum-620x292.jpg)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 11, 2017, 08:00:11 PM
I thought you said revolvers don't malfunction.  Ever.  Now, you say they do?  Well, which is it? 

Also, where did I say my weapons malfunction repeatedly, or always?  Why are you making shit up?   ???

I bought a 22 cal western style revolver when I was in my early 20's. Cheap gun, might have bought it from Walmart. Thing was more unreliable than a $400 1990 Hyundai. I've fired 1000's of rounds through my berretta Centurion and never had a jam. I've also had to return a 92FS Beretta because it jammed almost every time.

My point is.. I have no point  :)     


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 08:06:29 PM
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-home-defense-handguns/

I just found this article.

They listed this as #1

Taurus Raging Judge Magnum Revolver

(https://guncarrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/taurus-raging-judge-magnum-620x292.jpg)

My opinion of the Raging Judge?  It should be #10 on that list.  Taurus is notorious for building unreliable firearms. 


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:08:09 PM
My opinion of the Raging Judge?  It should be #10 on that list.  Taurus is notorious for building unreliable firearms. 

It looks badass though!!  ;D ;D But, of course, I want efficiency and reliability.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 11, 2017, 08:10:14 PM
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-home-defense-handguns/

I just found this article.

They listed this as #1

Taurus Raging Judge Magnum Revolver

(https://guncarrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/taurus-raging-judge-magnum-620x292.jpg)

IMO that Taurus raging judge is a poor option. Taurus is not terrible but not a great reputation.

Also the 454 casull is a huge load more suited for bears. And it also takes the 410 shotgun shell which is underpowered for home defense.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 11, 2017, 08:12:39 PM
My opinion of the Raging Judge?  It should be #10 on that list.  Taurus is notorious for building unreliable firearms. 

Owned a judge at one time. Sold it... not a fan


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:13:47 PM
How about this?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3b/0c/97/3b0c97ffbf66b16979d25cae50a357a2--light-machine-gun-machine-guns.jpg)



Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 11, 2017, 08:16:20 PM
How about this?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3b/0c/97/3b0c97ffbf66b16979d25cae50a357a2--light-machine-gun-machine-guns.jpg)



SUre, just tell me where you live so I don't move in next to you  ;D


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 08:17:50 PM
How about this?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3b/0c/97/3b0c97ffbf66b16979d25cae50a357a2--light-machine-gun-machine-guns.jpg)



 :D


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:18:10 PM
SUre, just tell me where you live so I don't move in next to you  ;D

Would be interesting to fire that!


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 11, 2017, 08:18:24 PM
How about this?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3b/0c/97/3b0c97ffbf66b16979d25cae50a357a2--light-machine-gun-machine-guns.jpg)



Best reserved for someone in the military

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=140535.0;attach=157695)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:18:47 PM
:D

I can run around my place pretending to be the Liberal Rambo!


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:20:11 PM
Best reserved for someone in the military

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=140535.0;attach=157695)

This badass just needs a knife.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/ztbzer.jpg)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 08:22:50 PM
I can run around my place pretending to be the Liberal Rambo!

It might be a little difficult to stash that in the nightstand.   ;D


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 11, 2017, 08:23:38 PM
This badass just needs a knife.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/ztbzer.jpg)

Holy crap i've seen that picture 1000 times and never have noticed a knife.  :o


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 08:26:37 PM
Holy crap i've seen that picture 1000 times and never have noticed a knife.  :o

You're thinking of this pic.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=327199.0;attach=366778;image)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
It might be a little difficult to stash that in the nightstand.   ;D

Ha lol. Imagine greeting an intruder with that!


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 11, 2017, 08:27:33 PM
You need a Mk18 Mod 0

(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/94/71/06/logo410.jpg)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 11, 2017, 08:28:51 PM
You're thinking of this pic.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=327199.0;attach=366778;image)

You're right. You win the internet today.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:29:19 PM
Instead of getting a gun for home protection, im just going to hire Jay Cutler as my personal bodyguard.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: SF1900 on October 11, 2017, 08:30:01 PM
You need a Mk18 Mod 0

(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/94/71/06/logo410.jpg)

I'm assuming that's illegal!  :o :o

Looks badass though!


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Pray_4_War on October 11, 2017, 08:36:35 PM
I'm assuming that's illegal!  :o :o

Looks badass though!

Legal in semi-auto, you gotta wait for LEO approval and pay the tax stamp for the short barrel though.

It is badass.  My favorite weapon ever.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 08:37:57 PM
I thought you said revolvers don't malfunction.  Ever.  Now, you say they do?  Well, which is it? 

Also, where did I say my weapons malfunction repeatedly, or always?  Why are you making shit up?   ???

now you're just playing fucking stupid.  childish argument. revolvers are the most fool proof firearm there is. but i guess thats what im dealing with. The fuck i gotta lie for? you said 2 of your revolvers malfunctioned. one malfunctioning is rare but can happen if youre an idiot (dont clean it, load it wrong, load wrong calibre, improper handling). since youve had two malfunction you clearly dont know what the fuck your doing. i cant even imagine the statistical odds of that.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 11, 2017, 08:42:06 PM
now you're just playing fucking stupid.  childish argument. revolvers are the most fool proof firearm there is. but i guess thats what im dealing with. The fuck i gotta lie for? you said 2 of your revolvers malfunctioned. one malfunctioning is rare but can happen if youre an idiot (dont clean it, load it wrong, load wrong calibre, improper handling). since youve had two malfunction you clearly dont know what the fuck your doing. i cant even imagine the statistical odds of that.

I would agree that revolvers are very dependable as long as you buy a decent one. Other than the crap no name I bought from Walmart, I can't think of a single time a revolver has malfunctioned. And if you do get a bad round, you just pull the trigger again. Can't get any simpler than that


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: chaos on October 11, 2017, 08:49:02 PM
Aftet 20+ years I think the timing on my S&W Model 66 is off. It's throwing some bad spray off to the sides.  :(


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Agnostic007 on October 11, 2017, 08:50:17 PM
Aftet 20+ years I think the timing on my S&W Model 66 is off. It's throwing some bad spray off to the sides.  :(
f


Time to sell it for a huge discount.. I can PM my address and an offer


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 08:55:24 PM
Aftet 20+ years I think the timing on my S&W Model 66 is off. It's throwing some bad spray off to the sides.  :(

Is there any cylinder play, with the trigger at full lock up?


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 09:06:36 PM
now you're just playing fucking stupid.  childish argument. revolvers are the most fool proof firearm there is. but i guess thats what im dealing with. The fuck i gotta lie for? you said 2 of your revolvers malfunctioned. one malfunctioning is rare but can happen if youre an idiot (dont clean it, load it wrong, load wrong calibre, improper handling). since youve had two malfunction you clearly dont know what the fuck your doing. i cant even imagine the statistical odds of that.

I like you, you've got spunk.  You're full of shit, but it's okay, I'm having a good laugh with it. 

(https://media.tenor.com/images/749378b1690286ae43aa1ad4ce174386/tenor.gif)


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: tres_taco_combo on October 11, 2017, 09:25:07 PM
You're thinking of this pic.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=327199.0;attach=366778;image)

omg haha


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: beakdoctor on October 11, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
I like you, you've got spunk.  You're full of shit, but it's okay, I'm having a good laugh with it. 

(https://media.tenor.com/images/749378b1690286ae43aa1ad4ce174386/tenor.gif)

yeah yeah, whatever you and numbnuts oughta go to the gun range and see who can have a malfunction first....

dont have too much fun, you'll shoot your eye out kid.


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: Twaddle on October 11, 2017, 09:39:57 PM
yeah yeah, whatever you and numbnuts oughta go to the gun range and see who can have a malfunction first....

dont have too much fun, you'll shoot your eye out kid.

 :D


Title: Re: Guns - Best one for home protection
Post by: calfzilla on October 12, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
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