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Title: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 17, 2013, 02:47:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fEBMTYjK-8

Ya smart, US talking about others 'disarming nukes' (that don't exist), ignoring countries that do have them (korea), but wanting to start actual nuclear war with countries that pose an economic threat.

Yup go Us of asses, run by mentally sick psychopaths sociopaths, etc...


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: tonymctones on February 17, 2013, 02:52:38 PM
you seem to be a very frustrated individual, try drinking I hear that helps.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 17, 2013, 03:11:52 PM
Nah I like to engage my brain, not disengage it like certain americans. Drinking is an american tradition  ::) Where you wake up and don't remember anything the next morning, or wait you don't know anything anyways so...

I'm trolling dat der americans and loving every second of it.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_azimCSzqNnc/TL_q1fJNAWI/AAAAAAAAGZw/E-_0orys6QA/s1600/the+fail+boat.jpg)

Think hard, you'll get it soon, but probably not if you're a drinker.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: tonymctones on February 17, 2013, 03:30:01 PM
Nah I like to engage my brain, not disengage it like certain americans. Drinking is an american tradition  ::) Where you wake up and don't remember anything the next morning, or wait you don't know anything anyways so...

I'm trolling dat der americans and loving every second of it.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_azimCSzqNnc/TL_q1fJNAWI/AAAAAAAAGZw/E-_0orys6QA/s1600/the+fail+boat.jpg)

Think hard, you'll get it soon, but probably not if you're a drinker.

yup americans invented drinking....


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 17, 2013, 03:57:09 PM
nah just perfected it


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: tbombz on February 17, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
america is the light of the world, my dear friend.



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 17, 2013, 05:00:44 PM
america is the light of the world, my dear friend.



You're right the US is lighting up the whole world on fire just like satan with all their wars.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 17, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
You need to let all the hate go man, it's gonna kill you.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: tbombz on February 17, 2013, 05:11:50 PM
You're right the US is lighting up the whole world on fire just like satan with all their wars.
satan ? who is this ? someone youve met ?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 17, 2013, 05:17:30 PM
You need to let all the hate go man, it's gonna kill you.

USA = hate

At least you're getting honest.

satan ? who is this ? someone youve met ?

It's that dude that whispers stuff to American presidents, politicians, military, etc...


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Kilo Medic on February 17, 2013, 05:36:51 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/carlos911/Kanadar.jpg)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Fury on February 17, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
Nah I like to engage my brain, not disengage it like certain americans. Drinking is an american tradition  ::) Where you wake up and don't remember anything the next morning, or wait you don't know anything anyways so...

I'm trolling dat der americans and loving every second of it.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_azimCSzqNnc/TL_q1fJNAWI/AAAAAAAAGZw/E-_0orys6QA/s1600/the+fail+boat.jpg)

Think hard, you'll get it soon, but probably not if you're a drinker.


You still spending $180 on jeans from a company founded by a Jew? Funny how you love ranting and raving against western society and its ills while at the same time taking advantage of everything it offers.


There isn't a Muslim out there who isn't a hypocritical piece of shit. From AQ and the other Islamists who fund their Islamist antics through drug running to your run-of-the-mill Muslim twats like Ahmed the honky.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 17, 2013, 09:00:58 PM
Most of my jeans are made in china, recently made in italy. Jooo mad?  ??? Oh Levi Strauss, yeah I don't wear those :D Which is on topic. You wana nuke China, now we're getting on topic.

You still spending trillions on oil from mozzlemz  ;D Oh snap.

One day without oil and your economy goes bye bye :D Oh wait you're already ruined and living on imaginary numbers! Oh double snap!

Difference is, dem ayrab mozzlems spend their money on their countries and themselves, you spend it on wars to destroy other countries while destroying yourself in the process without anyone ever waging a war against you. Oh triple diggidy snap.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: JBGRAY on February 18, 2013, 12:42:17 AM
Just can't get America off your mind, like every other individual and nation on earth.  American dominates your mind.  Your opinion means nothing, changes nothing, and won't convince anyone.  Congratulations on extolling America's devilishness on an internet board that likes to critique oiled-up men flexing in thongs. 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 18, 2013, 01:23:34 AM
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The Lord Jesus Christ is on our side boys.  8)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: WOOO on February 18, 2013, 02:21:17 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v689/carlos911/Kanadar.jpg)


if your going to troll at least line the text up... pathetic


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Kilo Medic on February 18, 2013, 04:36:17 AM

if your going to troll at least line the text up... pathetic

  ;D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 19, 2013, 10:38:02 AM
Someone points out fatal flaws that could very well destroy your life and everything you hold dear, and instead of simply acknowledging them, and seeking a positive solution that could just save your life (and shut your nation's detractors up in a heartbeat) you instead choose to rally around the very ones enslaving you and putting you on this path of self-destruction. You choose to be completely oblivious to the salient points raised in the video, but instead choose to attack other nations, and attack foreign religions. Your puppet masters must be bored silly. Where's the challenge? Y'all are just too easy.  ;D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 10:59:19 AM
Crazy thing is, America should stand completely opposed to Fascism.  So it is a backwards, upside-down puzzle we're faced with.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 11:29:10 AM
Someone points out fatal flaws that could very well destroy your life and everything you hold dear, and instead of simply acknowledging them, and seeking a positive solution that could just save your life (and shut your nation's detractors up in a heartbeat) you instead choose to rally around the very ones enslaving you and putting you on this path of self-destruction. You choose to be completely oblivious to the salient points raised in the video, but instead choose to attack other nations, and attack foreign religions. Your puppet masters must be bored silly. Where's the challenge? Y'all are just too easy.  ;D

Or.......


You refuse to be manipulated by every weak ass theory about America's demise, the same and or similar weak ass theories that have been circulating since the 50's, the same ones we hear about every decade.  And you have seen THEY NEVER COME TRUE..... but you do know a new twist on the same weak ass argument is just around the corner.  So you just laugh at it. Knowing it never gets near as bad as advertised as you have seen America's incredible knack for self correction long long long before i gets anywhere close to the weak ass theory.

You do not subject yourself to "fear" propaganda that inevitably leads to Moonbot theories, Saturn becoming a second sun, the Haleron Collider creating a black hole, complete economic failure, post apocalyptic scenarios, a Kenyan born Muslim turning the USA in a commy state, etc..... that transforms you into the market demographic ripe for Gas pills, gold, or birther t-shirts.

Instead, you are pragmatic and skeptical about all news understanding it for what it is.  You have seen the resiliency of this great nation and see what's in front of you.  Plenty of commerce, plenty of progress and 2nd to none in terms of being a world leader, and still many breaking the doors down to get here, a land where the streets are paved with gold for those who dare do the work to get it, instead of falling for every half brained get rich quick scheme based and motivated by fear.

Yeah, you laugh at the poor souls obsessed with America's demise as they surf the web long hours searching for anything that supports their childish dream so they can tout it as absolute truth.  And while the AQ animals in the middle east scamper for cover in dank smelly bat dung infested caves from drone attacks, you can get head in a mall parking lot before you go in there a get yourself Macbook-pro and you can tell everyone who hates America to lick your bung hole.

And you don't mind going to Canada every once in awhile and seeing a place that's just a country in name, but in practice is more like a American Colony.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: polychronopolous on February 19, 2013, 12:20:34 PM
You're right the US is lighting up the whole world on fire just like satan with all their wars.


We appreciate every tax dollar you spend on them Lucky Jeans.  :)

Someone's gotta pay for those devastating bombs.  :D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 12:42:47 PM
You refuse to be manipulated by every weak ass theory about America's demise, the same and or similar weak ass theories that have been circulating since the 50's, the same ones we hear about every decade.  And you have seen THEY NEVER COME TRUE.

Oz, it is coming true RIGHT NOW.  What could you possibly call a continuous loss of rights, if not demise?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 19, 2013, 12:53:23 PM
Nah I like to engage my brain, not disengage it like certain americans. Drinking is an american tradition  ::) Where you wake up and don't remember anything the next morning, or wait you don't know anything anyways so...

Yes... you're trying to "engage" your brain. It's a pity that it's not working.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Fury on February 19, 2013, 01:05:18 PM
Most of my jeans are made in china, recently made in italy. Jooo mad?  ??? Oh Levi Strauss, yeah I don't wear those :D Which is on topic. You wana nuke China, now we're getting on topic.

You still spending trillions on oil from mozzlemz  ;D Oh snap.

One day without oil and your economy goes bye bye :D Oh wait you're already ruined and living on imaginary numbers! Oh double snap!

Difference is, dem ayrab mozzlems spend their money on their countries and themselves, you spend it on wars to destroy other countries while destroying yourself in the process without anyone ever waging a war against you. Oh triple diggidy snap.

I wiki'd Lucky Brand jeans after reading your stupid thread on the G&O last week and it was co-founded by a Jew.  :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: James28 on February 19, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
Honest question Ahmed. Why do you despise America and the West so much?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 01:15:05 PM
Oz, it is coming true RIGHT NOW.  What could you possibly call a continuous loss of rights, if not demise?


Like what?


Prohibition?
Civil Rights for all?
Affirmative action?
Women's right to vote?


Or are you talking about the National Defense Authorization Act?  (I think that's the name of it)

I am very much against that, but its not pre-curser to a fascist state, FFS.

As an exercise, so i know what rights have been taken away from me, please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:




Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 01:24:14 PM
I wiki'd Lucky Brand jeans after reading your stupid thread on the G&O last week and it was co-founded by a Jew.  :D :D :D :D

So basically Ah med  is supporting Jewish companies.


I wonder if he burning the jeans right now and saying 2000 Hail Mohammads   :D 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 01:49:14 PM
Like what?


Prohibition?
Civil Rights for all?
Affirmative action?
Women's right to vote?


Or are you talking about the National Defense Authorization Act?  (I think that's the name of it)

I am very much against that, but its not pre-curser to a fascist state, FFS.

As an exercise, so i know what rights have been taken away from me, please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:

What would it be a precursor to, OzmO?





Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: littledumbells on February 19, 2013, 02:03:28 PM
Just can't get America off your mind, like every other individual and nation on earth.  American dominates your mind.  Your opinion means nothing, changes nothing, and won't convince anyone.  Congratulations on extolling America's devilishness on an internet board that likes to critique oiled-up men flexing in thongs. 

 ;D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 19, 2013, 02:32:02 PM
So basically Ah med  is supporting Jewish companies.


I wonder if he burning the jeans right now and saying 2000 Hail Mohammads   :D 

hahahahhahahah!!!


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 03:04:54 PM
What would it be a precursor to, OzmO?





what's a matter?

can't answer the question:

please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 03:56:29 PM
Help me out here, OzmO.  I give the highest respect to you for our Rumsfeld thread, so I'm being sincere.  I want to provide what you're looking for, but I don't want to waste time.  Are you suggesting that we have not lost rights, or are you suggesting that the rights losses aren't important?  If you're seeking a list of legal acts that have had an impact on our rights, I want to know your motivation.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 04:32:56 PM
Help me out here, OzmO.  I give the highest respect to you for our Rumsfeld thread, so I'm being sincere.  I want to provide what you're looking for, but I don't want to waste time.  Are you suggesting that we have not lost rights, or are you suggesting that the rights losses aren't important?  If you're seeking a list of legal acts that have had an impact on our rights, I want to know your motivation.

sigh......


Can you answer the question or not?



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 19, 2013, 04:34:30 PM
sigh......


Can you answer the question or not?



If the rights lost don't affect your daily life they don't county?  ???


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 04:36:06 PM
If the rights lost don't affect your daily life they don't county?  ???

The argument is we are heading towards fascism is it not?

Or is it we are heading to our demise?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 04:38:40 PM
My original point is PIP, on the demise part, is that we hear this every decade.  

Our country has a knack of correcting its self.  Its news sensationalism, its been a good seller since TV started.

Can anyone here make a reasonable case with out spamming VIDs or articles or cheap arguments?



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 19, 2013, 04:41:50 PM
My original point is PIP, on the demise part, is that we hear this every decade.  

Our country has a knack of correcting its self.  Its news sensationalism, its been a good seller since TV started.



Oh, I see what you're saying.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 19, 2013, 04:45:23 PM
My original point is PIP, on the demise part, is that we hear this every decade.  

Our country has a knack of correcting its self.  Its news sensationalism, its been a good seller since TV started.

Can anyone here make a reasonable case with out spamming VIDs or articles or cheap arguments?


Rome limped on for many years before it's inevitable collapse.

We do here about it all the time.... but eventually it's going to be true. We seem to correct ourselves slightly, but not enough to make up the ground we lost. It's like we take 2 steps backwards and 1 foot forwards, eventually we're going to hit the bottom.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 04:50:46 PM
Rome limped on for many years before it's inevitable collapse.

We do here about it all the time.... but eventually it's going to be true. We seem to correct ourselves slightly, but not enough to make up the ground we lost. It's like we take 2 steps backwards and 1 foot forwards, eventually we're going to hit the bottom.

So?  Because Rome limped for 2-4 hundred years we are destined to repeat even though economics, civilization, society, technology and culture are completely different now?

Kind of a weak argument, based on little fact or any real actual comparison, don't ya think?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 04:55:24 PM
I mean seriously, take Jags for example, every 6 months or so since 2007 she posts up all sorts of gloom and doom crap.  NEVER does it come true.

In the 20's it was organized crime and drinking
In the 30's it was the depression
In the 40's Japan thought we wear to lazy and soft.
In the 50's rock and roll was our doom
In the 60's it was sex and drugs
In the 70's it was gas and unemployment
In the 80's is was Japan again ruling the market
In the 90's it was the world bank controlling everything
Now its the "collapse..........."

what ever............ ::)




Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Skip8282 on February 19, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
what's a matter?

can't answer the question:

please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:



Privacy rights for sure with warrantless wiretapping.
If you're accused of being an enemy combatant you lose just about everything...no counsel, no speedy trial, no nothing really.
And the gov't hides everything under the guise of national security...so freedom of information/press is probably in limbo as well.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 05:23:29 PM
sigh......
Can you answer the question or not?

I hope so.

went through one yesterday.  they told me to take my belt off.  I didn't and went through anyway.  I do this shit all the time.
TSA =  Joke

If you had been taken into the security center for this, and made to miss your flight while the authorities removed data from your electronic devices, and caused you to suffer further consequences for hours, and perhaps longer, all for nothing...

Would you feel differently about the subject?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 19, 2013, 05:28:53 PM
So?  Because Rome limped for 2-4 hundred years we are destined to repeat even though economics, civilization, society, technology and culture are completely different now?

Kind of a weak argument, based on little fact or any real actual comparison, don't ya think?
The one thing that hasn't changed is human nature.

I'm not saying all these guys predicting the collapse have any real validity, just that it is inevitable. Every great empire throughout history has fallen. To think that we're somehow different because of our culture or technology, IMHO, is incredibly arrogant.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Irongrip400 on February 19, 2013, 05:33:02 PM
The one thing that hasn't changed is human nature.

I'm not saying all these guys predicting the collapse have any real validity, just that it is inevitable. Every great empire throughout history has fallen. To think that we're somehow different because of our culture or technology, IMHO, is incredibly arrogant.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Seriously. All throughout history, there have been revolutions, we are no different. Only difference is how violent or velvet the revolution will be.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 05:46:46 PM
I hope so.

If you had been taken into the security center for this, and made to miss your flight while the authorities removed data from your electronic devices, and caused you to suffer further consequences for hours, and perhaps longer, all for nothing...

Would you feel differently about the subject?


Is that your answer?   ???

BTW,  i have been caught by TSA for these things:

Bullet made into a necklace i bought my son  (had to mail it)
Busted for liquids in carry on
Busted for Projector
Busted for BELT
Busted for things in my cargo pants pockets

result:   the things, JUST HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH THE X-ray

So, bring me some facts please, NOT FANTASY.

what's a matter?

can't answer the question:

please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 05:47:11 PM
I'd say digital technology has pulled us into a high-speed slipstream toward destruction.  It provides the perfect tool for totalitarianism.  The shit is a crazy train, going off the rails.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 05:48:19 PM
I'd say digital technology has pulled us into a high-speed slipstream toward destruction.  It provides the perfect tool for totalitarianism.  The shit is a crazy train, going off the rails.

can you support any of your assertions or arguments with actual facts, and not more questions or other arguments?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 05:49:24 PM
Is that your answer?   ???

BTW,  i have been caught by TSA for these things:

Bullet made into a necklace i bought my son  (had to mail it)
Busted for liquids in carry on
Busted for Projector
Busted for BELT
Busted for things in my cargo pants pockets

result:   the things, JUST HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH THE X-ray

So, bring me some facts please, NOT FANTASY.


Sounds like you've been lucky.



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 05:51:47 PM


Privacy rights for sure with warrantless wiretapping.
If you're accused of being an enemy combatant you lose just about everything...no counsel, no speedy trial, no nothing really.
And the gov't hides everything under the guise of national security...so freedom of information/press is probably in limbo as well.

These are things i knew had happened.  I was hoping someone who believed the sky was failing could actually list them.  Is that all there is?

I am very much against these things, but do these things indicate we are heading towards fascism?  I think not.

if you are accused of being a enemy combatant in the USA you still have rights do you not?  Its only that way if abroad right?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 05:53:48 PM
Sounds like you've been lucky.



In the last 12 years i have been through a security line at least 4-8 times a month if not more.  Not lucky.  I just live reality. 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 05:55:09 PM
The one thing that hasn't changed is human nature.

I'm not saying all these guys predicting the collapse have any real validity, just that it is inevitable. Every great empire throughout history has fallen. To think that we're somehow different because of our culture or technology, IMHO, is incredibly arrogant.

I don't think that at all.  What i am asking for is actual argument based on actual fact that's it happening now.  Not fear based CT or antidotes.  


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 05:58:06 PM
A person needs to understand the political climate this is leading to.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
In the last 12 years i have been through a security line at least 4-8 times a month if not more.  Not lucky.  I just live reality. 

You understand that you can be detained for willfully disregarding the direction under such circumstances, don't you?  If you behave in the way that you've indicated here, then you have been lucky.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
A person needs to understand the political climate this is leading to.



Man, you are something else.  

You suggest we are losing rights that are leading to our demise and you can't even list them

You suggest that getting busted for a belt in a TSA line will lead to a symbolic cavity search which to me, someone who ACTUALLY travels quite a lot is a laugher.

Now you are blabbering about political climates?

Are you capable of constructing an actual argument?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
You understand that you can be detained for willfully disregarding the direction under such circumstances, don't you?  If you behave in the way that you've indicated here, then you have been lucky.

Have you ever been to an airport and flew on a plane in this century Jack?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 19, 2013, 06:05:04 PM


Man, you are something else.  

You suggest we are losing rights that are leading to our demise and you can't even list them

You suggest that getting busted for a belt in a TSA line will lead to a symbolic cavity search which to me, someone who ACTUALLY travels quite a lot is a laugher.

Now you are blabbering about political climates?

Are you capable of constructing an actual argument?
The invasion of privacy bothers me more than anything, I think. The fact that we allow them to go so far on others without any real opposition (of which I'm just as guilty as anyone).


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 06:17:04 PM
The invasion of privacy bothers me more than anything, I think. The fact that we allow them to go so far on others without any real opposition (of which I'm just as guilty as anyone).

Exactly what invasion?

What has been added since 9/11?

So far we have the NDAA and warrant-less wiretapping (something that conservatives seem to wholeheartedly support when BUSH was in office)

I am ignorant to anything else.  Please list them and explain how they are significant in our near pending demise:


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 06:18:06 PM
Have you ever been to an airport and flew on a plane in this century Jack?

Absolutely.  It has become an entirely different experience since 911, almost beyond description, and it's almost stupefying to me that it isn't obvious to everyone.

If you're telling me that you are refusing an agent's commands at the airport, and you don't feel it's unusual that you haven't yet been detained or flagged, then I don't know what to say.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 19, 2013, 06:22:12 PM
Exactly what invasion?

What has been added since 9/11?

So far we have the NDAA and warrant-less wiretapping (something that conservatives seem to wholeheartedly support when BUSH was in office)

I am ignorant to anything else.  Please list them and explain how they are significant in our near pending demise:
Patriot act, NDAA, warrantless wiretaps, xray scanners, TSA in general (i've not experienced it, but I know people that have, that have been pulled off and stripped searched for no apparent reason), police pulling people over and demanding to see their phone (worked with a guy that they did that too, they thought he was waiting for a dealer but in reality he was waiting for his wife to drop off his son, then they tried to ticket him for being on a cell phone while driving, even though he was parked), the list goes on.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 06:22:46 PM
Absolutely.  It has become an entirely different experience since 911, almost beyond description, and it's almost stupefying to me that it isn't obvious to everyone.

If you're telling me that you are refusing an agent's commands at the airport, and you don't feel it's unusual that you haven't yet been detained or flagged, then I don't know what to say.

I am not telling you that.  go back and re-read what i posted.

I did not tell you that i refused to take my belt off when caught.  I simply told you i go through the image scanner all the time with my belt on and have been caught only a few times out of hundreds.  I take it off, they put it through the xray i go through scanner again, end of story.  Same with liquids, projectors, laptops etc.  

Based on your answer here, i doubt you have flown since 9/11.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 19, 2013, 06:25:57 PM
Oh, and the recent internet act that got passed irks me, basically gives the government free reign to your information under the guise of "preventing e-terrorism". I think it's worded in such a way that it "Makes it possible for companies to share information that the government deems as possible e-terrorism threats.".



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 06:28:51 PM
Patriot act, NDAA, warrantless wiretaps, xray scanners, TSA in general (i've not experienced it, but I know people that have, that have been pulled off and stripped searched for no apparent reason), police pulling people over and demanding to see their phone (worked with a guy that they did that too, they thought he was waiting for a dealer but in reality he was waiting for his wife to drop off his son, then they tried to ticket him for being on a cell phone while driving, even though he was parked), the list goes on.

Some of this stuff has happened before with cops.  Nothing new.  We have new government agencies vying for relevance.  

The biggest changes after 9/11 was access to gates, and the image scanner.  Other then that the TSA crap is pretty trivial.  If you really look at, most of it is to make people feel safe.  

The NDAA is big, but its not relevant in the USA only outside.

What provisions of the partriot act have stripped us of freedoms we use to have?

How are those invading our privacy?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 06:30:42 PM
Oh, and the recent internet act that got passed irks me, basically gives the government free reign to your information under the guise of "preventing e-terrorism". I think it's worded in such a way that it "Makes it possible for companies to share information that the government deems as possible e-terrorism threats.".

Nice one, forgot that one.  Do you think however, that something like this is natural with the rise of the internet and the crimes that can be staged on it?  Or are you saying its part of the planned progression for a totalitarian state?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Skip8282 on February 19, 2013, 06:35:44 PM
These are things i knew had happened.  I was hoping someone who believed the sky was failing could actually list them.  Is that all there is?

I am very much against these things, but do these things indicate we are heading towards fascism?  I think not.

if you are accused of being a enemy combatant in the USA you still have rights do you not?  Its only that way if abroad right?




Not sure about the enemy combatant.

Fascism?  Probably not....at least not in my lifetime.

However, I do think that cops are now and incrementally using an unacceptable level of force against citizens and needs to stop immediately.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 19, 2013, 06:36:41 PM
Nice one, forgot that one.  Do you think however, that something like this is natural with the rise of the internet and the crimes that can be staged on it?  Or are you saying its part of the planned progression for a totalitarian state?
I think it's a natural progression, I don't think the government is "planning" a totalitarian takeover exactly, I just think that what we're doing in the name of "safety" is laying the groundwork for someone to take advantage of it down the road (Not saying it's a planned groundwork, just that these things may come back to bite us in the ass if the wrong person gets into office)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 06:37:46 PM
I am not telling you that.  go back and re-read what i posted.

I did not tell you that i refused to take my belt off when caught.  I simply told you i go through the image scanner all the time with my belt on and have been caught only a few times out of hundreds.  I take it off, they put it through the xray i go through scanner again, end of story.  Same with liquids, projectors, laptops etc.  

Based on your answer here, i doubt you have flown since 9/11.

So when you say this:

went through one yesterday.  they told me to take my belt off.  I didn't and went through anyway.  I do this shit all the time.
TSA =  Joke

You didn't mean to say that?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 06:43:27 PM
OzmO, I get what you're saying.  You tried to make it sound more badass than it really was. 

If you are ever flagged for anything, I guarantee you will change your opinion in a hurry.  I'd hope it wouldn't take something like that to make you understand, but whatever it takes, I suppose...


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 06:51:18 PM
Nice one, forgot that one.  Do you think however, that something like this is natural with the rise of the internet and the crimes that can be staged on it?  Or are you saying its part of the planned progression for a totalitarian state?

The two are conveniently intertwined, aren't they?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 06:54:34 PM
Would it be fair to say that an entity with an interest in totalitarianism would have an interest in committing crime?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 06:55:55 PM
That's why I love communicating with you, Oz.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 07:00:15 PM
So when you say this:

You didn't mean to say that?

No, this why i think you haven't traveled since 9/11.

They tell people as they are putting their stuff on the x-ray to take their belts off.  They look right at you and say it.   I go OK, and don't.  when busted:  "oops ha ha forgot"   No cavity searches lol


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 07:02:05 PM
The two are conveniently intertwined, aren't they?

So is an alien take over.   Without actual facts or decent arguments, its pure fantasy.  which is my point here.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 07:02:31 PM
Would it be fair to say that an entity with an interest in totalitarianism would have an interest in committing crime?

So would aliens and the chess club.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 07:04:11 PM
I think it's a natural progression, I don't think the government is "planning" a totalitarian takeover exactly, I just think that what we're doing in the name of "safety" is laying the groundwork for someone to take advantage of it down the road (Not saying it's a planned groundwork, just that these things may come back to bite us in the ass if the wrong person gets into office)

That's the fear, but it isn't evidence of the progression of our demise.

these things are put in place to encourage commerce.  We are what we are as a nation because of commerce.  Commerce must be protected.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
Its all a dam joke, like the no-fly list.  Easy to beat.  Anyone with a printer and photo-shop can do it.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 07:10:54 PM
No, this why i think you haven't traveled since 9/11.

They tell people as they are putting their stuff on the x-ray to take their belts off.  They look right at you and say it.   I go OK, and don't.  when busted:  "oops ha ha forgot"   No cavity searches lol

Yes, I get that it wasn't quite as remarkable as you'd hoped for it to appear when you posted it.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 07:15:29 PM
Would it bother you if your electronic devices had their contents downloaded, OzmO?  During, say, a routine traffic stop?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 07:20:34 PM
Yes, I get that it wasn't quite as remarkable as you'd hoped for it to appear when you posted it.

nope, wasn't my intention.  Again, if you actually have been to airports post 9/11 you would know that's what they do. 

Additionally, they don't give you the option, if you don't take your belt off or whatever  AFTER they catch you, you don't get through.  Now depending on what you say when this happens it can lead to a questioning and or search session.

I am sorry you lean towards the overly sensational interpretation.  Much like this:

Absolutely. It has become an entirely different experience since 911, almost beyond description, and it's almost stupefying to me that it isn't obvious to everyone.

If you're telling me that you are refusing an agent's commands at the airport, and you don't feel it's unusual that you haven't yet been detained or flagged, then I don't know what to say.
 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 07:22:01 PM
Would it bother you if your electronic devices had their contents downloaded, OzmO?  During, say, a routine traffic stop?

Is it something that's happening?

Is it something that's happening without probable cause?

What if aliens search you?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Skip8282 on February 19, 2013, 07:24:03 PM
No, this why i think you haven't traveled since 9/11.

They tell people as they are putting their stuff on the x-ray to take their belts off.  They look right at you and say it.   I go OK, and don't.  when busted:  "oops ha ha forgot"   No cavity searches lol


The biggest pain in the ass is taking my laptop out of the bag, and that goes in a tray.  Then the bag in a tray.  My shoes in another tray.  My heavy jacket in another tray and all the shit in your pockets in another small tray.

Then putting everything back, lol.

It's a pain in the ass that's for sure.  Other people's trays start pushing into yours and they want to get their stuff...


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
nope, wasn't my intention.  Again, if you actually have been to airports post 9/11 you would know that's what they do. 

It seemed that you were hoping to give the impression that you'd refused to take your belt off, period.

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Additionally, they don't give you the option, if you don't take your belt off or whatever  AFTER they catch you, you don't get through.  Now depending on what you say when this happens it can lead to a questioning and or search session.

You can be flagged on a whim.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 08:08:28 PM
It seemed that you were hoping to give the impression that you'd refused to take your belt off, period.

You can be flagged on a whim.

No, that's HOW you interpreted it (probably to serve as a deflection from your inability to construct a legit argument).  IF, and this is again why i think you haven't travel since 9/11, IF you have traveled by air since 9/11 YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN I COULDN'T GET AWAY WITH THAT. 



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 08:14:55 PM

The biggest pain in the ass is taking my laptop out of the bag, and that goes in a tray.  Then the bag in a tray.  My shoes in another tray.  My heavy jacket in another tray and all the shit in your pockets in another small tray.

Then putting everything back, lol.

It's a pain in the ass that's for sure.  Other people's trays start pushing into yours and they want to get their stuff...

When standing in line, put all your pocket stuff in a jacket pocket or pocket in your laptop bag.  That includes your watch, wallet, cell phone and coin.  Once your ID and ticket are verified then put those in there as well.

Get a backpack for your laptop that's airport compliant.  You won't have to take it out.  I don't have one, i use a back pack that i don't have to put in a tray.  

Put your shoes and jacket in the same tray.

this way you only use one tray.

Oh, and keep your cash in your hand.  they allow you to hold it while they image scan you.  

See if you can keep your belt on with out getting caught.

Helena, Montana has the best most thorough security i have seen BTW.  Take your belt off there.  they love to search your bags and chat you up.   :D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 08:37:25 PM
No, that's HOW you interpreted it (probably to serve as a deflection from your inability to construct a legit argument).  IF, and this is again why i think you haven't travel since 9/11, IF you have traveled by air since 9/11 YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN I COULDN'T GET AWAY WITH THAT.  

Since I'm not prone to playing games at security checkpoints, I couldn't tell you.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 08:38:30 PM
Is it something that's happening?

Is it something that's happening without probable cause?

What if aliens search you?

Yes, something's happening.  There is a war on terror.  That's the cause.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 08:59:14 PM
In the last 12 years i have been through a security line at least 4-8 times a month if not more.  Not lucky.  I just live reality.  

Man, so you're pretty much traveling non-stop.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 09:12:35 PM
I've been reading some TSA nightmare stories, thanks to this thread.

I suppose a person's view of airport security would be based upon whether or not he's had a bad experience with it.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 09:17:16 PM
Man, so you're pretty much traveling non-stop.

No, about 2 weeks a month.  Multiple airports.  I will do 4 airports in this 7 day trip starting soon. 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 09:18:30 PM
Yes, something's happening.  There is a war on terror.  That's the cause.

Lol. Can't just answer a question can you, you have to resort to answering out of context.   

Can you ever construct a real argument?  Lol


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 09:23:52 PM
Wow.  Crazy world, man.  Search TSA related stories, if you're ever looking for a reason to cringe.



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 09:25:26 PM
I would recommend that you cease with the game-playing at the security check, if your time is important to you.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 09:47:09 PM
You suggest we are losing rights that are leading to our demise and you can't even list them

Would you like me to compile a list of all the acts that have had an effect on our rights since 911?  Let me know your motivation, if you expect me to do that.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
I would recommend that you cease with the game-playing at the security check, if your time is important to you.

Sorry, prefer to make decisions in this case based on practical experience over what i read on the Internet.  Not interested in fear based blabber.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 19, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
Would you like me to compile a list of all the acts that have had an effect on our rights since 911?  Let me know your motivation, if you expect me to do that.

What gave you that idea?

Did you somehow read my original question to you?


You one funny guy  ;D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 10:00:19 PM
What gave you that idea?

Did you somehow read my original question to you?


You one funny guy  ;D

I've asked you at least twice, now.

You don't want to commit yourself to a statement, do you?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
Sorry, prefer to make decisions in this case based on practical experience over what i read on the Internet.  Not interested in fear based blabber.

So why don't you do what you're told, and remove your belt, etc.?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 19, 2013, 10:10:22 PM
Patriot act, NDAA, warrantless wiretaps, xray scanners, TSA in general (i've not experienced it, but I know people that have, that have been pulled off and stripped searched for no apparent reason)

Would you deny this, OzmO?

police pulling people over and demanding to see their phone (worked with a guy that they did that too, they thought he was waiting for a dealer but in reality he was waiting for his wife to drop off his son, then they tried to ticket him for being on a cell phone while driving, even though he was parked), the list goes on.

Classic move, right there.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 19, 2013, 10:52:53 PM

Or.......


You refuse to be manipulated by every weak ass theory about America's demise, the same and or similar weak ass theories that have been circulating since the 50's, the same ones we hear about every decade.  And you have seen THEY NEVER COME TRUE..... but you do know a new twist on the same weak ass argument is just around the corner.  So you just laugh at it. Knowing it never gets near as bad as advertised as you have seen America's incredible knack for self correction long long long before i gets anywhere close to the weak ass theory.

Wake up and smell the coffee honey bunny before the weak ass theories bite you on the tip of your pee pee while you're trying to get fellatio in the Walmart parking lot.  ;D

I don't understand why the french are called frogs. I think that term befits Americans moreso than the French. You guys are all getting cooked, slowly but surely, as they raise the temperature 1 degree at a a time. You loll about in complacency & lethargy acclimatizing yourself to the brain washing propaganda, talking points, and buzz words that are fed to you like pablum. You are so accustomed to "the new normal" that you have no memory of what it is like to like free men & women rather than obedient slaves to the corporations.

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You do not subject yourself to "fear" propaganda, etc.....

Since when did truth become "fear propaganda?" If you find the truth fearful, rather than move into a state of denial, ...why not empower yourself?

How is becoming a demographic ripe for Gas pills such a bad thing if those gas pills save you money on your fuel costs, and reduce your emissions? I don't know about you, but I personally preferred the cost of the $2 gas pill that improved engine efficiency enough to pass an emission test than having to fork out the estimated $300 in engine repairs the mechanic estimated it would cost to make the engine efficient enough to pass the emission test, and I prefer the extra 20% increase in mileage.

Those who forget (or ignore) history, are doomed to repeat it. I have no problem in studying the lessons of history and by so doing finding myself transformed into a demographic ripe for gold acquisition, ...especially when I am able to magnify my gold acquisition with no out-of-pocket costs. When I first become actively interested in acquiring gold, it was $800/oz. Now spot is over $1600 /oz At the same time every US dollar I received could be converted to $1.30 Cdn. Now I consider it fortunate if I can exchange it at par. For me, that's a severe DECREASE in purchasing power. My gold on the other hand has shown a tremendous INCREASE in purchasing power without any vulnerability to recall, or capital gains liability.

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Instead, you are pragmatic and skeptical about all news understanding it for what it is.

There can be no pragmatism when one is in a helpless state of denial.

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You have seen the resiliency of this great nation and see what's in front of you.

You call the passive acceptance of the destruction of the Constitution resilience?
I call it evidence of castration.  

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Plenty of commerce, plenty of progress and 2nd to none in terms of being a world leader,

We're talking about America NOT Brazil. Please try to keep up.  ;)

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and still many breaking the doors down to get here,

Uh yeah, ...when you're dropping bombs on them and financing & arming terrorist extremists in their countries, ...yeah, they'll beat down the down to get to America. It's one of the few places left on the planet that you're not bombing right now.

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a land where the streets are paved with gold ...

...only for those who are wise enough to understand what gold is, ...and to acquire it while they still have the ability to do so.

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Yeah, you laugh at the poor souls obsessed with America's demise

She who laughs last, laughs the loudest!

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 And while the AQ animals in the middle east scamper for cover in dank smelly bat dung infested caves from drone attacks, you can get head in a mall parking lot before you go in there a get yourself Macbook-pro and you can tell everyone who hates America to lick your bung hole.

Ewwww.... what a nasty visual!  :-X

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And you don't mind going to Canada every once in awhile and seeing a place that's just a country in name, but in practice is more like a American Colony.

Now that's just plain mean.  >:(


The more things change, ...the more they remain the same.

I dare you to listen to this clip and tell me you see no parallel paths unfolding

I not only dare you, ...I double dog dare you ...no I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!!!!  :D

History repeating itself! (definitely worth watching)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1ghQyNhIyk


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 19, 2013, 10:54:37 PM
Oz, it is coming true RIGHT NOW.  What could you possibly call a continuous loss of rights, if not demise?


Well it's nice to see that at least someone gets it.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 19, 2013, 11:20:18 PM
ok, just finished reading the last few pages of this thread.
Glad to see there was some acknowledgement of the situation, and some serious discussion.  :)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 20, 2013, 08:24:34 AM
Well it's nice to see that at least someone gets it.

Likewise, 24KT.  Believe me.  I appreciate it more than you know.

For myself, I've rounded a curve where it becomes difficult to take a person seriously, if the person seems to honestly believe that "Al Qaeda" is after him, and he is furthermore unable to make a connection between the belief and its benefit toward removing his rights.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 20, 2013, 08:34:55 AM
You know, this scheme relies on a whole lotta stupid, which makes me concerned about further joltings, for when the stupid runs out.  Because at some point, it will run out.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 20, 2013, 02:11:41 PM
I've asked you at least twice, now.

You don't want to commit yourself to a statement, do you?

 ::)

I initially asked you to back your premise with facts.

You continue to dodge.  Which all you do in place of constructing an actual argument.

Think hard before you answer.................. ....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H   ::) 



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 20, 2013, 02:14:12 PM
Wake up and smell the coffee honey bunny before the weak ass theories bite you on the tip of your pee pee while you're trying to get fellatio in the Walmart parking lot.  ;D

I don't understand why the french are called frogs. I think that term befits Americans moreso than the French. You guys are all getting cooked, slowly but surely, as they raise the temperature 1 degree at a a time. You loll about in complacency & lethargy acclimatizing yourself to the brain washing propaganda, talking points, and buzz words that are fed to you like pablum. You are so accustomed to "the new normal" that you have no memory of what it is like to like free men & women rather than obedient slaves to the corporations.

Since when did truth become "fear propaganda?" If you find the truth fearful, rather than move into a state of denial, ...why not empower yourself?

How is becoming a demographic ripe for Gas pills such a bad thing if those gas pills save you money on your fuel costs, and reduce your emissions? I don't know about you, but I personally preferred the cost of the $2 gas pill that improved engine efficiency enough to pass an emission test than having to fork out the estimated $300 in engine repairs the mechanic estimated it would cost to make the engine efficient enough to pass the emission test, and I prefer the extra 20% increase in mileage.

Those who forget (or ignore) history, are doomed to repeat it. I have no problem in studying the lessons of history and by so doing finding myself transformed into a demographic ripe for gold acquisition, ...especially when I am able to magnify my gold acquisition with no out-of-pocket costs. When I first become actively interested in acquiring gold, it was $800/oz. Now spot is over $1600 /oz At the same time every US dollar I received could be converted to $1.30 Cdn. Now I consider it fortunate if I can exchange it at par. For me, that's a severe DECREASE in purchasing power. My gold on the other hand has shown a tremendous INCREASE in purchasing power without any vulnerability to recall, or capital gains liability.

There can be no pragmatism when one is in a helpless state of denial.

You call the passive acceptance of the destruction of the Constitution resilience?
I call it evidence of castration.  

We're talking about America NOT Brazil. Please try to keep up.  ;)

Uh yeah, ...when you're dropping bombs on them and financing & arming terrorist extremists in their countries, ...yeah, they'll beat down the down to get to America. It's one of the few places left on the planet that you're not bombing right now.

...only for those who are wise enough to understand what gold is, ...and to acquire it while they still have the ability to do so.

She who laughs last, laughs the loudest!

Ewwww.... what a nasty visual!  :-X

Now that's just plain mean.  >:(


The more things change, ...the more they remain the same.

I dare you to listen to this clip and tell me you see no parallel paths unfolding

I not only dare you, ...I double dog dare you ...no I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!!!!  :D

History repeating itself! (definitely worth watching)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1ghQyNhIyk

 ::) blah balh blah,  There so much dumb ignorant emotional bullshit in your response its not worth it to even begin to address it.  Put a tin foil hat on and get some sleep.   :)

Do you at least use knee pads when praying every night for America's demise?

PS:  I will not listen to your moonbot Bullshit clips.  Reread my original post to you if you cant understand why.  

PPSS:  Still waiting for you to explain how we are in WW3....  its only been 2 years since you claimed it and avoided proving it.  Save your dumb shit for dumb people. 

PPPSSS:  I ask for a simple list and a simple argument.....  you people cant even do that.  lol 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: syntaxmachine on February 20, 2013, 02:41:12 PM
PPPSSS:  I ask for a simple list and a simple argument.....  you people cant even do that.  lol  

I suspect that most here don't know what an argument is, let alone how to engage in cogent argumentation. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, really, since it probably isn't a skill we acquire automatically as the result of biological, developmental mechanisms unfolding (unlike, say, language); on the contrary, it has to be learned through hard effort.

So, attempting rational discourse is somewhat of a waste. What's left is letting them have their enclave here (safe from reality) and either laughing at their theorizing or otherwise engaging in a bit of ethnoscience and attempting to gain some insight into what makes them tick.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 20, 2013, 04:37:38 PM
are you talking about the National Defense Authorization Act?  (I think that's the name of it)

I am very much against that

What is it about that, that causes you to stand against it?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 20, 2013, 06:31:34 PM
What is it about that, that causes you to stand against it?

What is that causes you dodge and deflect when asked questions?

I tend to agree with him:

Lol, this guy is on a different wavelength than us, and I don't think he is acting like this just to troll. His reading comprehension is shot or otherwise  he will ignore half the points you make and focus on a single phrase you say. It's liike talking with a malfunctioning robot, or rather, getting talked at by a malfunctioning robot (since it doesn't recognize anything you say)!


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
When standing in line, put all your pocket stuff in a jacket pocket or pocket in your laptop bag.  That includes your watch, wallet, cell phone and coin.  Once your ID and ticket are verified then put those in there as well.

Get a backpack for your laptop that's airport compliant.  You won't have to take it out.  I don't have one, i use a back pack that i don't have to put in a tray.  

Put your shoes and jacket in the same tray.

this way you only use one tray.

Oh, and keep your cash in your hand.  they allow you to hold it while they image scan you.  

See if you can keep your belt on with out getting caught.

Helena, Montana has the best most thorough security i have seen BTW.  Take your belt off there.  they love to search your bags and chat you up.   :D

Good advice.  I haven't tried the all in one pocket thing, but I'll try it this weekend. 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: pedro01 on February 20, 2013, 06:48:26 PM
Nah I like to engage my brain, not disengage it like certain americans. Drinking is an american tradition  ::) Where you wake up and don't remember anything the next morning, or wait you don't know anything anyways so...

I'm trolling dat der americans and loving every second of it.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_azimCSzqNnc/TL_q1fJNAWI/AAAAAAAAGZw/E-_0orys6QA/s1600/the+fail+boat.jpg)

Think hard, you'll get it soon, but probably not if you're a drinker.


Yes - but alcohol will help alleviate the paranoia and psychosis brought on by your amphetamine use


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 20, 2013, 06:51:45 PM
Good advice.  I haven't tried the all in one pocket thing, but I'll try it this weekend. 

yeah it tends to lessen the drudgery.     


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2013, 07:02:07 PM
yeah it tends to lessen the drudgery.     

I've sort of adapted, but still hate it.  Still fight the urge not to flip them the bird while I'm in one of those stupid scanners.   >:(


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 20, 2013, 07:04:03 PM
We're all just trying to learn from one another.  That's the name of the game.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 20, 2013, 07:04:35 PM
I've sort of adapted, but still hate it.  Still fight the urge not to flip them the bird while I'm in one of those stupid scanners.   >:(

Something tells me you don't mind it much...  ::)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2013, 07:08:51 PM
Something tells me you don't mind it much...  ::)

Something tells me I don't give a rip what you think.   :)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 20, 2013, 07:19:18 PM
We're all on the same side here, guys.  Trust that.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 20, 2013, 07:55:25 PM
Well it's nice to see that at least someone gets it.

Hey... is gold as $2000/ounce yet?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: syntaxmachine on February 20, 2013, 08:09:33 PM

I tend to agree with him:


That was harsh of me. I have nothing personal against Jack, regardless of the we adopt opinions regarding heated political topics.

I will simply say that I found it difficult to communicate with him the last time I tried and feel that probably, this difficulty was in part generated by a sort of singlemindedness of his in supporting specific propositions about certain events, eschewing any willingness to discuss/question these propositions and the probabilities attached to their truth.

That said, the forum format isn't optimal for such discussions and so I think there is a sort of communicative handicap from the get-go. I've literally only had one substantive exchange on here that might justifiably be called a 'discussion,' and that was when avxo and I discussed morality sometime back.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 20, 2013, 08:11:06 PM
That was harsh of me. I have nothing personal against Jack, regardless of the specific worldviews and/or sets of opinions regarding heated political topics we adopt.

I will simply say that I found it difficult to communicate with him the last time I tried and feel that probably, this difficulty was in part generated by a sort of singlemindedness of his in supporting specific propositions about certain events, eschewing any willingness to discuss/question these propositions and the probabilities attached to their truth.

That said, the forum format isn't optimal for such discussions and so I think there is a sort of communicative handicap from the get-go. I've literally only had one substantive exchange on here that might probably be called a 'discussion,' and that was when avxo and I discussed morality sometime back.
You're letting yourself get far too involved.

Remember, this is getbig. We r dunt engrish good.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 20, 2013, 08:17:29 PM
That was harsh of me. I have nothing personal against Jack, regardless of the we adopt opinions regarding heated political topics.

I will simply say that I found it difficult to communicate with him the last time I tried and feel that probably, this difficulty was in part generated by a sort of singlemindedness of his in supporting specific propositions about certain events, eschewing any willingness to discuss/question these propositions and the probabilities attached to their truth.

That said, the forum format isn't optimal for such discussions and so I think there is a sort of communicative handicap from the get-go. I've literally only had one substantive exchange on here that might justifiably be called a 'discussion,' and that was when avxo and I discussed morality sometime back.

I like him too, he just plays too many stupid games when it comes to proving or discussing a point. 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: syntaxmachine on February 20, 2013, 08:22:53 PM
You're letting yourself get far too involved.

Remember, this is getbig. We r dunt engrish good.

Thanks for the warning, though I'm not sure where the threshold for "too involved" is. On the other hand, you may be overestimating the amount of effort I put into this place. Trying to have a substantive discussion here or there hasn't been particularly taxing, I promise.

Part of the fun of this place is the divergent personalities, what they have to share, and when they interact/clash. If I'm literally the only person here sharing thoughts above a 12th grade level and in a somewhat overserious manner at that, then I will happily fulfill the niche -- it doesn't (or hasn't) interfered in my real life in the slightest and in the meantime has been great fun. (I'm not implying I'm the only one: there are a lot of very smart people here sharing all manner of interesting stuff.)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 20, 2013, 08:42:25 PM
Thanks for the warning, though I'm not sure where the threshold for "too involved" is. On the other hand, you may be overestimating the amount of effort I put into this place. Trying to have a substantive discussion here or there hasn't been particularly taxing, I promise.

Part of the fun of this place is the divergent personalities, what they have to share, and when they interact/clash. If I'm literally the only person here sharing thoughts above a 12th grade level and in a somewhat overserious manner at that, then I will happily fulfill the niche -- it doesn't (or hasn't) interfered in my real life in the slightest and in the meantime has been great fun. (I'm not implying I'm the only one: there are a lot of very smart people here sharing all manner of interesting stuff.)
I was fucking with you, you know, because your post contained words with more than 2 syllables and actually displayed a modicum of rational thought.

Carry on.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 20, 2013, 09:32:09 PM
We're all on the same side here, guys.  Trust that.

Sorry, you're right!

These big government types rub me the wrong way though!   :-X


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 20, 2013, 11:27:05 PM
::) blah balh blah,  There so much dumb ignorant emotional bullshit in your response its not worth it to even begin to address it.  Put a tin foil hat on and get some sleep.   :)

Do you at least use knee pads when praying every night for America's demise?

The only person displaying dumb ignorant emotional bullshit in their response is YOU!
I don't pray for America's demise.

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PS:  I will not listen to your moonbot Bullshit clips.  Reread my original post to you if you cant understand why.

Ouch! Now I'm just plain embarrassed for you OzmO.  :-[  Had you even clicked on that clip for 5 seconds you would have realized it is NOT some moonbot conspiracy theory. But by dismissing it outright and assuming to know it's contents, you undermine whatever little credibility you may have left with those open minded enough to have actually clicked on it.    

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PPSS:  Still waiting for you to explain how we are in WW3....  its only been 2 years since you claimed it and avoided proving it.  Save your dumb shit for dumb people.

I haven't avoided anything, I just didn't think you were worth the time investment to lay out my theory. Coincidentally though, a friend skyped me a link this afternoon. Seems there are others who share my opinions & theories. Some have even written books about them, and earlier this afternoon, someone wrote an article expressing those very same thoughts.

Are You About To Lose Your Savings in the Currency War?

http://moneymorning.com/2013/02/20/are-you-about-to-lose-your-savings-in-the-currency-war/

Just last week most Venezuelans woke up to a nasty little surprise
 
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PPPSSS:  I ask for a simple list and a simple argument.....  you people cant even do that.  lol 

I gave you want you wanted but you chose to dismiss it. So be it.

BTW Dude, a PS, PPSS, and a PPPSSS? Whoa! Something or someone owns your mind.

With that, I will say Good night. My pooh bear and I will sleep well, know our money is well protected.

(http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/winnie.JPG)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 20, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
What is that causes you dodge and deflect when asked questions?


Classic porcupine, but you still haven't answered his question, just tossed it back and accused him of doing what you have appeared to have mastered. Answer the man's question.



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 20, 2013, 11:36:41 PM
Hey... is gold as $2000/ounce yet?

Not yet. Infact, it has dipped slightly, even penetrated into the $1500 range. I'll let you know when it does tho.
I better get a good night's sleep, because I know I'm gonna be busy tomorrow.
Now that gold has dipped in price, I know my phone is gonna be ringing off the hook with peeps wanting to stock up.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 21, 2013, 07:40:30 AM
The only person displaying dumb ignorant emotional bullshit in their response is YOU!
I don't pray for America's demise.

Ouch! Now I'm just plain embarrassed for you OzmO.  :-[  Had you even clicked on that clip for 5 seconds you would have realized it is NOT some moonbot conspiracy theory. But by dismissing it outright and assuming to know it's contents, you undermine whatever little credibility you may have left with those open minded enough to have actually clicked on it.    

I haven't avoided anything, I just didn't think you were worth the time investment to lay out my theory. Coincidentally though, a friend skyped me a link this afternoon. Seems there are others who share my opinions & theories. Some have even written books about them, and earlier this afternoon, someone wrote an article expressing those very same thoughts.

Are You About To Lose Your Savings in the Currency War?

http://moneymorning.com/2013/02/20/are-you-about-to-lose-your-savings-in-the-currency-war/

Just last week most Venezuelans woke up to a nasty little surprise
  
I gave you want you wanted but you chose to dismiss it. So be it.

BTW Dude, a PS, PPSS, and a PPPSSS? Whoa! Something or someone owns your mind.

With that, I will say Good night. My pooh bear and I will sleep well, know our money is well protected.

(http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/winnie.JPG)

Just like i told you would do, you posted a clip.

Should i buy some gold and gas pills then?

Will that help you pine away at night for America's demise?

Will that get you by until the next big pile of BS?

PS:  If you read the whole exchange between Jack and I you will know what i am talking about, unless of course you are compelled to protect any support you get no matter what the intention.  


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 21, 2013, 07:48:11 AM
Not yet. Infact, it has dipped slightly, even penetrated into the $1500 range. I'll let you know when it does tho.
I better get a good night's sleep, because I know I'm gonna be busy tomorrow.
Now that gold has dipped in price, I know my phone is gonna be ringing off the hook with peeps wanting to stock up.

No doubt... there's plenty of idiots in the world willing to buy gold even at $1,500/oz. Especially gold dust covered in shiny plastic that has fancy seals and numbers.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 21, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
I will simply say that I found it difficult to communicate with him the last time I tried and feel that probably, this difficulty was in part generated by a sort of singlemindedness of his in supporting specific propositions about certain events, eschewing any willingness to discuss/question these propositions and the probabilities attached to their truth.

This was the extent of your questioning the proposition and its probabilities:

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I'm not interested in arguing against it.

Yeah, if you've got suggestions for other places that may be interesting to have these discussions, I'd be glad to hear it.  I'm always glad to learn, as I'd hope everyone is.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Skip8282 on February 21, 2013, 07:58:28 PM
When standing in line, put all your pocket stuff in a jacket pocket or pocket in your laptop bag.  That includes your watch, wallet, cell phone and coin.  Once your ID and ticket are verified then put those in there as well.

Get a backpack for your laptop that's airport compliant.  You won't have to take it out.  I don't have one, i use a back pack that i don't have to put in a tray. 

Put your shoes and jacket in the same tray.

this way you only use one tray.

Oh, and keep your cash in your hand.  they allow you to hold it while they image scan you. 

See if you can keep your belt on with out getting caught.

Helena, Montana has the best most thorough security i have seen BTW.  Take your belt off there.  they love to search your bags and chat you up.   :D




Thanks for the advice.  Didn't know they had airport compliant bags for the laptop!


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 21, 2013, 08:17:06 PM
See if you can keep your belt on with out getting caught.

lol...I wouldn't suggest that anyone get into the habit of doing stuff like this when you're traveling.  Especially if you travel routinely.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 21, 2013, 08:41:43 PM
Just like i told you would do, you posted a clip.

And what clip would that be?

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Should i buy some gold and gas pills then?

I wouldn't advise against it. :)

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Will that help you pine away at night for America's demise?

I don't pine away for America's demise.

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Will that get you by until the next big pile of BS?

PS:  If you read the whole exchange between Jack and I you will know what i am talking about, unless of course you are compelled to protect any support you get no matter what the intention.  

I read the exchange between you and jack. I don't understand your hostility though.

A difference of opinion should not result in hostility. It has been my experience that when hostility develops simply over a difference of opinion, it is usually because the truth sensed in other persons position is so threatening and terrifying a prospect. ... that it produces a vitriolic scramble into a state of denial.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 21, 2013, 08:47:40 PM
No doubt... there's plenty of idiots in the world willing to buy gold even at $1,500/oz. Especially gold dust covered in shiny plastic that has fancy seals and numbers.

I've never seen gold dust covered in plastic and would never buy something like that myself.

I only buy 999.9 pure 24 KT LBMA GDL Gold.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 23, 2013, 07:58:14 AM
I've never seen gold dust covered in plastic and would never buy something like that myself.

I only buy 999.9 pure 24 KT LBMA GDL Gold.

No. You buy little plastic cards that have a gram of gold embedded under fancy holograms and serial numbers. In bar form, that would be 15 mm 8 mm 0.4 mm or 0.6" 0.3" 0.01". Assuming your little plastic card is the dimension of a typical bank card (i.e. compliant to ISO/IEC 7810) it would be 85.60 mm 53.98 mm 0.76 mm.

In other words, the card is 570% larger in width, 675% larger in height and 190% larger in thickness than a bar of the same amount of gold. Or in other words still: The gold has a volume of 48 mm3. The card you buy has a volume of 3512 mm3, so what you are actually buying is 48 mm3 of gold encased in 3464 mm3 of plastic. Or to put it yet another way, the card is 1.4% gold and 98.6% plastic.

Now, plastic may not be super expensive, but it has a cost associated with it. So clearly you're paying for a lot of plastic that you don't need. Since all you're interested in is the gold can you remind me again, why not just buy gold outright and skip buying the plastic altogether?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Shockwave on February 23, 2013, 08:30:02 AM
No. You buy little plastic cards that have a gram of gold embedded under fancy holograms and serial numbers. In bar form, that would be 15 mm 8 mm 0.4 mm or 0.6" 0.3" 0.01". Assuming your little plastic card is the dimension of a typical bank card (i.e. compliant to ISO/IEC 7810) it would be 85.60 mm 53.98 mm 0.76 mm.

In other words, the card is 570% larger in width, 675% larger in height and 190% larger in thickness than a bar of the same amount of gold. Or in other words still: The gold has a volume of 48 mm3. The card you buy has a volume of 3512 mm3, so what you are actually buying is 48 mm3 of gold encased in 3464 mm3 of plastic. Or to put it yet another way, the card is 1.4% gold and 98.6% plastic.

Now, plastic may not be super expensive, but it has a cost associated with it. So clearly you're paying for a lot of plastic that you don't need. Since all you're interested in is the gold can you remind me again, why not just buy gold outright and skip buying the plastic altogether?
Lol.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 23, 2013, 10:27:23 AM
And what clip would that be?

I wouldn't advise against it. :)

I don't pine away for America's demise.

I read the exchange between you and jack. I don't understand your hostility though.

A difference of opinion should not result in hostility. It has been my experience that when hostility develops simply over a difference of opinion, it is usually because the truth sensed in other persons position is so threatening and terrifying a prospect. ... that it produces a vitriolic scramble into a state of denial.

Now you can't keep track of one clip?   Lol

If you read the exchange you would see it for what it is, a childish level attempt to control a conversation through deflection and dodging.  But you already knew that....lol


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 23, 2013, 10:33:24 AM
lol...I wouldn't suggest that anyone get into the habit of doing stuff like this when you're traveling.  Especially if you travel routinely.

Coming from you it means nothing jack.  You have demonstrated your ignorance well is this regard.  Its a decent bet you never even been on a plane.  You know nothing except what you read on the Internet. 

Get out more.

PS:  went through the scanner a couple days ago with my belt on and watch on.  They noticed the watch looked at it and passed me through.

Care to post your expertise on this a little more telling me horror stories of what could happen to me?

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha

 ::)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: syntaxmachine on February 23, 2013, 06:11:44 PM
This was the extent of your questioning the proposition and its probabilities:

My attempts at discussion were contained in comments which have since been deleted. Anyway, if you're open to suggestions then I recommend a basic course in symbolic logic, reading widely and from sources not just on the internet, and, if you happen to consume illicit substances, ceasing that. (These prescriptions are valid for everyone, so I'm not leveling them just at you.)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: syntaxmachine on February 23, 2013, 06:27:49 PM
I was fucking with you, you know, because your post contained words with more than 2 syllables and actually displayed a modicum of rational thought.

Carry on.

Thanks braaaaaaa.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 23, 2013, 07:06:04 PM
My attempts at discussion were contained in comments which have since been deleted.

I don't believe you.  Who do you claim deleted the comments?

Anyway, if you're open to suggestions then I recommend a basic course in symbolic logic

You indicated that getbig wasn't an appropriate place for such a discussion, so I thought perhaps you were aware of a more appropriate place.

...reading widely and from sources not just on the internet, and, if you happen to consume illicit substances, ceasing that. (These prescriptions are valid for everyone, so I'm not leveling them just at you.)

Odd, because I've come to have that impression of you.

Not sure what you're trying to suggest by anything in this post, but you are free to step up to the thread in question, and say what you need to say, there.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 24, 2013, 12:59:26 PM
I'll ask again, syntaxmachine.  Who would you say deleted the comments you claim to have made?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 02:50:26 PM
No. You buy little plastic cards that have a gram of gold embedded under fancy holograms and serial numbers. In bar form, that would be 15 mm 8 mm 0.4 mm or 0.6" 0.3" 0.01". Assuming your little plastic card is the dimension of a typical bank card (i.e. compliant to ISO/IEC 7810) it would be 85.60 mm 53.98 mm 0.76 mm.

In other words, the card is 570% larger in width, 675% larger in height and 190% larger in thickness than a bar of the same amount of gold. Or in other words still: The gold has a volume of 48 mm3. The card you buy has a volume of 3512 mm3, so what you are actually buying is 48 mm3 of gold encased in 3464 mm3 of plastic. Or to put it yet another way, the card is 1.4% gold and 98.6% plastic.

Now, plastic may not be super expensive, but it has a cost associated with it. So clearly you're paying for a lot of plastic that you don't need. Since all you're interested in is the gold can you remind me again, why not just buy gold outright and skip buying the plastic altogether?

I am not buying plastic cards with gold, I am buying gold embedded in a plastic protective card.

I may personally prefer the 1 gram sizes, however, there are those who prefer to have 2.5 gram weights, and still others who prefer the 5 gram weights. The card is made into the same size as a credit card for convenience and uniformity. What you completely miss is the fact that pure 24 Karat gold is extremely soft. The card acts as BOTH a protective sheath, as well as a certificate of authenticity that travels with the gold.

Most people are unaware that the majority of gold coins & bars lose their certification the moment they leave the vault. The burden of proof is on the bearer. Anyone who has ever received a fake bar or coin will understand the value of this. The hologram that adorns the back of the gold piece is an additional security feature that ensures the gold cannot be tampered with, without it being easily noticeable. This ensure that any merchant or store clerk can easily verify that it is a genuine gold bar, and not a fake. Infact, one does not even have to have been the recipient of a fake bar or coin to recognize the value of having a piece of privately issued LBMA gold that is not subject to government recall or confiscation, that is always LBMA certified for weight & purity, and acceptable for settlement of debts worldwide.

In addition, no other gold bar or coin comes with a network of merchants & businesses that have agreed to accept it as a form of exchange for goods & services.

The value & benefits to owning & acquiring this form of gold are readily apparent to me, and all others who acquire it. If it is not readily apparent to you, fortunately, there is no law that says you must either acquire it or accept it. The same unfortunately cannot be said of Federal Reserve notes that surreptitiously steal the value of both our labour & our wealth.

I have no desire to get into a Karatbars discussion here. Those who want to know more are free to call my 24/7 information hotline, or attend a LIVE webcast on Monday at 12 noon EST. They can leave a message requesting the co-ordinates for the LIVE webcast.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Skip8282 on February 24, 2013, 04:54:58 PM
I am not buying plastic cards with gold, I am buying gold embedded in a plastic protective card.





I'm not reading your essay...but you must realize the absurdity of this first sentence.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 24, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
I am not buying plastic cards with gold, I am buying gold embedded in a plastic protective card.

Yes you are - you're buying 98.6% plastic with 1.4% gold. That's a plastic card with a tiny bit of gold inside.


I may personally prefer the 1 gram sizes, however, there are those who prefer to have 2.5 gram weights, and still others who prefer the 5 gram weights. The card is made into the same size as a credit card for convenience and uniformity. What you completely miss is the fact that pure 24 Karat gold is extremely soft. The card acts as BOTH a protective sheath, as well as a certificate of authenticity that travels with the gold.

It's true that 999.9 gold is very soft. But the question is why do you need to own 999.9 gold? You can get gold alloyed with, for example, titanium and get the same quantity of actual gold, in an alloy that is much better than the gold-in-a-condom you peddle.


Most people are unaware that the majority of gold coins & bars lose their certification the moment they leave the vault. The burden of proof is on the bearer. Anyone who has ever received a fake bar or coin will understand the value of this. The hologram that adorns the back of the gold piece is an additional security feature that ensures the gold cannot be tampered with, without it being easily noticeable. This ensure that any merchant or store clerk can easily verify that it is a genuine gold bar, and not a fake. Infact, one does not even have to have been the recipient of a fake bar or coin to recognize the value of having a piece of privately issued LBMA gold that is not subject to government recall or confiscation, that is always LBMA certified for weight & purity, and acceptable for settlement of debts worldwide.

So you are asserting that it's impossible for someone to make a counterfeit gold bar? That's an extraordinary claim. Is it one that you really intend to make? If so, challenge accepted. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and enter into a legally binding contract stating that you will examine up to 10 Karatbars that I present to you using whatever techniques you claim merchants and store clerks can use and point out the fake one? If you successfully identify the counterfeit bar, I'll pay you $5,000. If you don't, you'll pay me $5,000.


In addition, no other gold bar or coin comes with a network of merchants & businesses that have agreed to accept it as a form of exchange for goods & services.

Show me one restaurant in Las Vegas that accepts your silly little plastic card in lieu of currency. Or a car dealer. Or a grocery store. And while you're at it please let me know how I can pay my bill using Karatbars and get change back? Remember, I dislike fiat currency and want gold-in-a-condom back!


The value & benefits to owning & acquiring this form of gold are readily apparent to me, and all others who acquire it. If it is not readily apparent to you, fortunately, there is no law that says you must either acquire it or accept it. The same unfortunately cannot be said of Federal Reserve notes that surreptitiously steal the value of both our labour & our wealth.

The "value & benefits" are readily apparent to you because you are an idiot.


I have no desire to get into a Karatbars discussion here.

Of course you don't - you've been trounced so much already... who can blame you?


Those who want to know more are free to call my 24/7 information hotline, or attend a LIVE webcast on Monday at 12 noon EST. They can leave a message requesting the co-ordinates for the LIVE webcast.

Ooh. A live webcast? Is it better than that youtube presentation you spammed on here, where a guy with an IQ of 1.77 was showing charts made with Microsoft Works 95 and trying to eat his microphone?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Yes you are - you're buying 98.6% plastic with 1.4% gold. That's a plastic card with a tiny bit of gold inside.

Why do you insist on being so obtuse?  What I'm paying for is the GOLD itself.
The security features are an added bonus thrown in.

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It's true that 999.9 gold is very soft. But the question is why do you need to own 999.9 gold? You can get gold alloyed with, for example, titanium and get the same quantity of actual gold, in an alloy that is much better than the gold-in-a-condom you peddle.

Because gold alloy is NOT currency grade.

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So you are asserting that it's impossible for someone to make a counterfeit gold bar? That's an extraordinary claim. Is it one that you really intend to make? If so, challenge accepted. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and enter into a legally binding contract stating that you will examine up to 10 Karatbars that I present to you using whatever techniques you claim merchants and store clerks can use and point out the fake one? If you successfully identify the counterfeit bar, I'll pay you $5,000. If you don't, you'll pay me $5,000.

I am asserting that it is impossible for someone to tamper with the gold within a gold bar without it being easily & readily noticeable.

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Show me one restaurant in Las Vegas that accepts your silly little plastic card in lieu of currency. Or a car dealer. Or a grocery store. And while you're at it please let me know how I can pay my bill using Karatbars and get change back? Remember, I dislike fiat currency and want gold-in-a-condom back!

Don't know of a restaurant in Las Vegas at the moment. I don't currently as yet have the entire list of establishments within the K-Exchange database. In the USA, I am only personally aware of K-Exchanges in the states of Maryland, New York, Florida, Massachusetts, Illinois, Washington, and California.

The lists is however growing everyday in 75+ countries around the world.

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The "value & benefits" are readily apparent to you because you are an idiot.

You're entitled to your opinion.


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Of course you don't - you've been trounced so much already... who can blame you?

What you refer to as a trouncing, I consider a huge waste of time, ...only to have my posts selectively edited, moved, and/or deleted.

Now, ...in an obvious attempt to steer this thread back on track, ...no thanks to the mod, what do you think of Bernanke's obvious efforts to destroy the American economy?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 07:58:54 PM


I'm not reading your essay...but you must realize the absurdity of this first sentence.

Not really all that absurd. He is implying that what I'm paying for is plastic.
What I'm actually paying for is the GOLD contained within the plastic.
The plastic is a nice bonus that to me, makes this form of gold ownership superior.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 08:17:16 PM
Classic porcupine, but you still haven't answered his question, just tossed it back and accused him of doing what you have appeared to have mastered. Answer the man's question.



 ::) IF, and that's a big IF you read the whole exchange, you will see he NEVER answer the question i posed to him when the conversation started.

Jesus H Christ, Jags, try and keep up.  he said we are losing rights that are leading to our demise.  I asked him to list them so i can answer his question that he still hasn't answered.  and you know what the next question would be:  how are those leading to our demise?  (not that i had any faith or expectation it could go that far with him)

In order to have have "productive discussion" you need to be able to keep up.  So stop trying to support one of the only people around who agrees with your loony hate filled assessments you snuggly pooh bear lover.   :-*


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 08:58:22 PM
::) IF, and that's a big IF you read the whole exchange, you will see he NEVER answer the question i posed to him when the conversation started.

Jesus H Christ, Jags, try and keep up.  he said we are losing rights that are leading to our demise.  I asked him to list them so i can answer his question that he still hasn't answered.  and you know what the next question would be:  how are those leading to our demise?  (not that i had any faith or expectation it could go that far with him)

In order to have have "productive discussion" you need to be able to keep up.  So stop trying to support one of the only people around who agrees with your loony hate filled assessments you snuggly pooh bear lover.   :-*

I will support him because he speaks the truth. just because one is inadequate at articulating what the truth is, does not mean he can't recognize it when he sees it.


What i am asking for is actual argument based on actual fact that's it happening now.  Not fear based CT or antidotes.  

How are these for facts?



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 24, 2013, 09:12:27 PM
fucking Canadians... Can we just ban them all?  Even when they have a good point they go about making it in such an annoying way that they make Americans who agree unwilling to point out the same problems.

Seriously, I'm ready to ban Canada from this forum lol ;D  arrogant shitbags the lot of them.

What, they don't have message boards in Canada?  Why do you arrogant shits have to troll here?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
So stop trying to support one of the only people around who agrees with your loony hate filled assessments you snuggly pooh bear lover.   :-*

Need any more facts?

PS: I also like bitsy the poodle.  :-* :-*



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
fucking Canadians... Can we just ban them all?  Even when they have a good point they go about making it in such an annoying way that they make Americans who agree unwilling to point out the same problems.

Seriously, I'm ready to ban Canada from this forum lol ;D  arrogant shitbags the lot of them.

ROTFLMAO!!!


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Fury on February 24, 2013, 09:14:33 PM
fucking Canadians... Can we just ban them all?  Even when they have a good point they go about making it in such an annoying way that they make Americans who agree unwilling to point out the same problems.

Seriously, I'm ready to ban Canada from this forum lol ;D  arrogant shitbags the lot of them.

This is the same twat of a woman who showed up to the "buy gold" party when it was already $1500+/ounce and then started talking like she was aware of it all along and knew more than anyone else.



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 24, 2013, 09:17:26 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!
Look psycho...  We are doing fine on our own pointing out problems with the fed and everything else.  Having some arrogant wannabe actor from Canada make annoying posts on it all certainly doesn't help.  It hurts.  Go Away.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 09:26:18 PM
Look psycho...  We are doing fine on our own pointing out problems with the fed and everything else.  Having some arrogant wannabe actor from Canada make annoying posts on it all certainly doesn't help.  It hurts.  Go Away.

Need I remind you all the rules Hugo... no ad hominem

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Not allowed: "Abusive Ad-Hominem", meaning: No insults, name calling, or personal attacks (personal meaning at other posters) what so ever or Blatant baiting/bagering to get a angry response

Failure to follow the above rule will lead to a ban.

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I personally think it would be hilarious if Ron issued a temporary ban against a Mod who can't even follow the rules on a board he is charged with moderating. Look how quickly you bring down the tone of the dialogue with others following your poor example. Tsk tsk

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=323616.0


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 09:30:15 PM
I will support him because he speaks the truth. just because one is inadequate at articulating what the truth is, does not mean he can't recognize it when he sees it.


How are these for facts?



fear propaganda blabber.  I won't dignify the dribble for the ignorant by showing that most if not all of what you posted is NOTHING but ignorant fear propaganda.  NOTHING has changed for me in the last ten years.  ALL my freedoms i have enjoyed are still there except for warrant less wiretaps and the NDAA which is outside the USA. 

PS:  you support him because no one else here does.  You are routinely crushed here sweety pie. 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 09:33:17 PM
My original point is PIP, on the demise part, is that we hear this every decade.  

Our country has a knack of correcting its self.  Its news sensationalism, its been a good seller since TV started.

Can anyone here make a reasonable case with out spamming VIDs or articles or cheap arguments?



Guess i should have added cheap ass graphics/images.

Is there anyone who can actually make a legit argument?

Or are all you American haters just mentally challenged?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
Guess i should have added cheap ass graphics/images.

Is there anyone who can actually make a legit argument?

There are plenty of people capable of doing it, ...the question is NOT whether they are capable,
...it's a question of "Are they willing to?" Sometimes it's simply quicker to post a pic.
It is after all worth a thousand words. Especially with people screaming for cliff notes.

Y'all really need to make up your minds.

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Or are all you American haters just mentally challenged?

You might be onto something. Their refusal to read posts on the subject, their penchant for attacking those who would point out their predicament, coupled with their willingness to go along with the steady erosion of their rights must mean something. Wouldn't you agree?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
fear propaganda blabber.  I won't dignify the dribble for the ignorant by showing that most if not all of what you posted is NOTHING but ignorant fear propaganda.  NOTHING has changed for me in the last ten years.  ALL my freedoms i have enjoyed are still there except for warrant less wiretaps and the NDAA which is outside the USA. 

PS:  you support him because no one else here does.  You are routinely crushed here sweety pie. 

Is this a case of selective amnesia, ...or simply a massive state of denial?

How can you say that nothing has changed for you in the last 10 yrs?

Were you subject to being felt up by the TSA in 2002? If not, that is a change.

Were you required to have a passport in order to re-enter the USA when travelling between the USA & Canada in 2002? If not, that is a change.

Did you have a US$ equal to a CDN$ in 2002? If not that is a change.

Did you believe an invasion of Iraq was necessary to safeguard the USA from Iraqi WMD?
Do you now think that entering into a needless war that has injured, maimed, and killed countless innocents, resulted in the deaths of countless of America's bravest, decimated your treasury, and saddled the American tax payer and his children & grandchildren with an unpayable debt may not have been the wisest course of action? Then that is a change.

Did you have the right to own a Bushmaster AR15 in 2002?
Do you still have that right? If not, that is a change.

OzmO, Are these facts, ...or do you consider the above points nothing more than mere fear propaganda? 


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 24, 2013, 10:14:39 PM
Need I remind you all the rules Hugo... no ad hominem

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Not allowed: "Abusive Ad-Hominem", meaning: No insults, name calling, or personal attacks (personal meaning at other posters) what so ever or Blatant baiting/bagering to get a angry response

Failure to follow the above rule will lead to a ban.

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I personally think it would be hilarious if Ron issued a temporary ban against a Mod who can't even follow the rules on a board he is charged with moderating. Look how quickly you bring down the tone of the dialogue with others following your poor example. Tsk tsk

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=323616.0
You should just be thanking me that I've edited out or deleted your selling hints when I see them instead of just freaking banning you after you've been already banned and been warned on it a jillion times. 

As for your Canadian opinion on what's wrong with America--fuck off, we don't give a rats ass what you think. You just hurt the conversation by sticking your arrogant nose in.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 24, 2013, 10:15:24 PM
BTW, this whole thread is shit and needs sent to the dump.  All Canadian crap.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
BTW, this whole thread is shit and needs sent to the dump.  All Canadian crap.

Awww... did someone turn the heat up on my little snowflake?
You seem to be melting down faster than a snowball in hell?

Ooops... almost forgot, you're in the USA, ...and since the USA is listening to the devil's whispers...
...logic would dictate that the USA is ...well, ...HELL. Either it is HELL, or it is in HELL.

That would most definitely explain the embarrassing meltdown.  :-\


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 10:25:43 PM
Is this a case of selective amnesia, ...or simply a massive state of denial?

How can you say that nothing has changed for you in the last 10 yrs?

Were you subject to being felt up by the TSA in 2002? If not, that is a change.

Were you required to have a passport in order to re-enter the USA when travelling between the USA & Canada in 2002? If not, that is a change.

Did you have a US$ equal to a CDN$ in 2002? If not that is a change.

Did you believe an invasion of Iraq was necessary to safeguard the USA from Iraqi WMD?
Do you now think that entering into a needless war that has injured, maimed, and killed countless innocents, resulted in the deaths of countless of America's bravest, decimated your treasury, and saddled the American tax payer and his children & grandchildren with an unpayable debt may not have been the wisest course of action? Then that is a change.

Did you have the right to own a Bushmaster AR15 in 2002?
Do you still have that right? If not, that is a change.

OzmO, Are these facts, ...or do you consider the above points nothing more than mere fear propaganda?  

Wow....

Now I am required to show my passport when traveling to Mexico or our northern colony?

Definitely the end of the world, America's demise, tolitarian state etc..


 ::)

That has got to be the stupidest argument for:  we are losing our rights and it's leading to our demise.

I think an 8 year old could make a better argument.  I mean seriously Jag, is that all you got?  No wonder your arguments only appeal to retards.


PS all that other stuff you finally listed doesn't mean much, we were attacked, changes needed to be made.  And even as I agree Iraq was bullshit, it served notice to the rest of the world:

We can fuck you any time we want.   Deal with it northern colony. And rest of the world, don't fuck with us.  Notice how Syria backed down real quick in 2003?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 10:27:26 PM
Yeah and it is fear propaganda fit for ignorant retards.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 10:28:14 PM
Only the dumbest, illiterate, easily manipulated cows would fall for that argument.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 10:38:51 PM

I'm not reading your essay...but you must realize the absurdity of this first sentence.

WTF?!  :o  Skip, since when is 6 paragraphs (one of which is only 1 sentence long) an essay?

ADHD much?  ::)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 10:43:49 PM
WTF?!  :o  Skip, since when is 6 paragraphs (one of which is only 1 sentence long) an essay?

ADHD much?  ::)

prolly cause its complete BS blabber as usual.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 10:45:25 PM
Wow....

Now I am required to show my passport when traveling to Mexico or our northern colony?

Definitely the end of the world, America's demise, tolitarian state etc..


 ::)

That has got to be the stupidest argument for:  we are losing our rights and it's leading to our demise.

I think an 8 year old could make a better argument.  I mean seriously Jag, is that all you got?  No wonder your arguments only appeal to retards.


PS all that other stuff you finally listed doesn't mean much, we were attacked, changes needed to be made.  And even as I agree Iraq was bullshit, it served notice to the rest of the world:

We can fuck you any time we want.   Deal with it northern colony. And rest of the world, don't fuck with us.  Notice how Syria backed down real quick in 2003?

This is prolly why you 2 resisted so much listing these things, but instead resorted to vids, deflection, dodging, and stupid memes poster images.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 24, 2013, 11:26:06 PM
Wow....

Now I am required to show my passport when traveling to Mexico or our northern colony?.

Definitely the end of the world, America's demise, tolitarian state etc..


 ::)

we are losing our rights and it's leading to our demise.

Glad you've finally begun to see the light.  ;)

...but that's only if you're able to get a passport. If you owe back taxes, you can forget the ability to travel freely

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I think an 8 year old could make a better argument.  I mean seriously Jag, is that all you got?  No wonder your arguments only appeal to retards.

I am well aware of my audience, ...are you?

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PS all that other stuff you finally listed doesn't mean much, we were attacked, changes needed to be made.  And even as I agree Iraq was bullshit, it served notice to the rest of the world:

Trust me, the rest of the world saw the writing on the wall. it was YOU Americans who let things sail right over your heads as you beat your chests, and jerked yourselves off chanting "We're #1"

You're #1 all right. #1 Debtor nation on the planet.... and in debt to the Communists, ...of all people?
Gotta love the friggin' irony there. The USA, bastion of capitalism is up to it's eyeballs in debt to the Commies.

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We can fuck you any time we want.



Your countrymen are so castrated that the only ones getting screwed are Americans themselves.
How does that big Red, White & Blue dick feel as it gets jammed into your asshole everyday?

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Deal with it northern colony. And rest of the world, don't fuck with us. 

That's a stupid warning. Who in their right mind would willingly get into bed with a diseased partner.
Your country is riddled with an incurable puss filled S FTD  (fiscally transmitted disease)

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Notice how Syria backed down real quick in 2003?

I don't know if you have noticed, but Syria doesn't appear to be backing down lately. If anything, Assad has dug his heals in for the fight. but don't worry. I'm sure your government is willing to supply the rebels with more weapons and money, to destabilize & crumble the Assad government, no matter how much American taxpayers have to shell out for them. Look how well it worked for them in Benghazi. They won't have a problem doubling down in Damascus.

G'night Ozzybooboo  :-*
Sleep Tight,
Don't let the Ben bin Bernanke bugs bite!

And if you have a bad dream, ...just remember your lawmakers can do anything it takes to fix the problems.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 24, 2013, 11:47:16 PM
Glad you've finally begun to see the light.  ;)

...but that's only if you're able to get a passport. If you owe back taxes, you can forget the ability to travel freely

I am well aware of my audience, ...are you?

Trust me, the rest of the world saw the writing on the wall. it was YOU Americans who let things sail right over your heads as you beat your chests, and jerked yourselves off chanting "We're #1"

You're #1 all right. #1 Debtor nation on the planet.... and in debt to the Communists, ...of all people?
Gotta love the friggin' irony there. The USA, bastion of capitalism is up to it's eyeballs in debt to the Commies.


Your countrymen are so castrated that the only ones getting screwed are Americans themselves.
How does that big Red, White & Blue dick feel as it gets jammed into your asshole everyday?

That's a stupid warning. Who in their right mind would willingly get into bed with a diseased partner.
Your country is riddled with an incurable puss filled S FTD  (fiscally transmitted disease)

I don't know if you have noticed, but Syria doesn't appear to be backing down lately. If anything, Assad has dug his heals in for the fight. but don't worry. I'm sure your government is willing to supply the rebels with more weapons and money, to destabilize & crumble the Assad government, no matter how much American taxpayers have to shell out for them. Look how well it worked for them in Benghazi. They won't have a problem doubling down in Damascus.

G'night Ozzybooboo  :-*
Sleep Tight,
Don't let the Ben bin Bernanke bugs bite!

And if you have a bad dream, ...just remember your lawmakers can do anything it takes to fix the problems.


I don't think  the back tax law is in effect, it's only proposed.  And even then if it is, so what?  That will actually get people to settle their tax issues sooner which is better for everyone, including the government  Hardly our demise lol.  Geez you can't even formulate a counter argument as it back fires in your face.

No need to respond to the rest of your blabber, because its so stupid, it's not worth my time as evidence from your latest dumb attempt to construct the argument:  we are losing our rights and it's leading to our demise.

I mean seriously Jag, this is the best you can do?

I expected more.

So far you've failed to make even a junior high school worthy argument.

No wonder you get laughed at here non stop.  You live in a hate filled  fantasy world that only the dumbest people on earth can see.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 25, 2013, 12:46:23 AM

 we are losing our rights and it's leading to our demise.


Now you're getting the picture!

The rest of your irrelevant drivel was snipped to get to the crux of things.

G'Night honeybunny  :-*


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 25, 2013, 08:33:21 AM
Why do you insist on being so obtuse?  What I'm paying for is the GOLD itself. The security features are an added bonus thrown in.

Really? So you're not charged a single dime for the cost of the plastic? That seems like a bad business model for whoever makes Karatbars - it's not like they get their plastic for free... Unless, of course, you are paying for the plastic as well as the little bit of gold.


Because gold alloy is NOT currency grade.

There's no such thing as "currency grade" gold, and if you think there is, I challenge you to provide a definition from a reputable source, Karatbars excluded.


I am asserting that it is impossible for someone to tamper with the gold within a gold bar without it being easily & readily noticeable.

Tamper-evidence isn't a huge deal. Tylenol bottles are tamper evident and can hold a lot more gold... But you stated, right here on this forum that "any merchant or store clerk can easily verify that it is a genuine gold bar, and not a fake." That sounds to me like you are asserting that they are impossible to counterfeit. Do you stand behind that claim or do you wish to retract it?


Don't know of a restaurant in Las Vegas at the moment.

There isn't. But let's not despair... What about a car dealer? Or an airline? Or, hell, a casino?


I don't currently as yet have the entire list of establishments within the K-Exchange database.

Why bother consulting some database to find the one place within a thousand square miles that may accept Karatbars when I can just go out to any place I want and hand out my American Express?


In the USA, I am only personally aware of K-Exchanges in the states of Maryland, New York, Florida, Massachusetts, Illinois, Washington, and California.

Fine. Tell me what restaurant I can go to in California and pay with Karatbars. Also, please tell me how I can leave a tip and receive change. Remember, I don't like fiat currencies and since I will be paying with Karatbars I want my change back in Karatbars too.


The lists is however growing everyday in 75+ countries around the world.

Finally, I'll be able to order my morning coffee and pay with gold... in 2074. ::)



Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 25, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
I don't doubt that many people misunderstand the value of freedom and democracy.  I get that.  But if a person believes that undefined offenders are presenting a threat that would warrant a trend of rights-removal, and the person views it as full justification for the rights-removal...what can you say?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 25, 2013, 11:13:01 AM
Haha...I'd like to ask some of these people, if they could envision the re-installment of rights.  lol


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Skip8282 on February 25, 2013, 04:11:00 PM
WTF?!  :o  Skip, since when is 6 paragraphs (one of which is only 1 sentence long) an essay?

ADHD much?  ::)



meh...nothing personal.  I'm not following your discussion.

I just read the first line where you seem to indicate you're not buying plastic with gold, you're buying gold with plastic.  That just comes off as absurd.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 26, 2013, 01:38:45 AM
Really? So you're not charged a single dime for the cost of the plastic? That seems like a bad business model for whoever makes Karatbars - it's not like they get their plastic for free... Unless, of course, you are paying for the plastic as well as the little bit of gold.

No, what ...if anything is paid, is for the gold. Hardly a bad business model, just indicative of the fact that the company is highly profitable and doesn't feel the need to nickle & dime us with unnecessary & superfluous costs.

Companies, individuals, or entities that choose to go with a private label or branded cards do pay for initial setup & design costs for their cards subject to minimum orders, and receive discounts on each unit until the costs of initial setup is recouped.


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There's no such thing as "currency grade" gold, and if you think there is, I challenge you to provide a definition from a reputable source, Karatbars excluded.

If you say so. ::)

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Tamper-evidence isn't a huge deal. Tylenol bottles are tamper evident and can hold a lot more gold... But you stated, right here on this forum that "any merchant or store clerk can easily verify that it is a genuine gold bar, and not a fake." That sounds to me like you are asserting that they are impossible to counterfeit. Do you stand behind that claim or do you wish to retract it?

It is what I stated it to be. I don't care "how it sounds to you", and I don't stand behind whatever interpretation you choose to take. I've already stated the purpose & function of the holograms & serial numbers.

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There isn't. But let's not despair... What about a car dealer? Or an airline? Or, hell, a casino?

Why bother consulting some database to find the one place within a thousand square miles that may accept Karatbars when I can just go out to any place I want and hand out my American Express?

For the most part, that is what most karatbars owners are doing at the moment. IMO, one would be foolish to spend their karatbars at the moment while cash (paper or digital) is still being accepted. I know personally that if gold is at $1600/oz, and I had to make a $1600 purchase, I would prefer to give $1600 in fiat paper than fork out an ounce worth of karatbars. My karatbars are a hedge against inflation, and if I use those today, ...over the long run when gold does revalue upwards as it is destined to do imo, then that $1600 purchase today becomes essentially a $5,000 purchase if gold goes to $5,000/oz which many experts predict could very well happen.

The purpose of the K-Exchanges is to provide a convenient point of exchange IF one had a need to quickly exchange some of their gold back into cash. ie: If one found themselves in need of a quick $500 or whatever amount, and an ATM wasn't an option (for whatever reason) they could exchange a minimal amount of karatbars for the small amount of cash they needed without having to liquidate an entire ounce. It conveniently allows people to keep more of their gold in gold for as long as possible.

Let me give you a little scenario as an example:

ie: The year is 1978 and gold is $40/oz. You choose to buy a pair of Calvin Klein jeans priced at $40.
The merchant agrees to accept an ounce of gold in exchange.
Fast forward a few years, and gold is now $400/oz. You've essentially paid $400 for your Calvins.

The ability to effect transactions in karatbars is something one should only use quite sparingly imo, and not until you essentially have no choice but to use karatbars.

Here's another scenario:
ie: The year is 1978 and gold is $40/oz. John acquires a 1 oz coin. Susan acquires 31 x 1g Karatbars.
Fast forward a few years, gold is now $400/oz. John & Susan each are in need of a quick $80

John has to liquidate his entire stockpile of gold and gets $320 in rapidly depreciating paper as change.
He has no more gold left and doesn't have enough to buy another ounce. He has to come up with another $80 to even get back into gold.

Susan on the other hand simply liquidated 6 of her 31 karatbars. She still has 25 karatbars of gold left.

By the time John is able to get his hands on another $80 to get back into gold, Gold is now $800/oz

Susan still has 25g of gold, and was able to acquire 3 more grams (1 gram at a time) before gold went to $800

John's total savings in paper are valued at $400 in depreciated paper
Susan's total savings in gold karatbars are valued at ~ $722 in depreciated paper

Even without replenishing the savings, John's savings would be at $320, and Susan's would be valued at $645

Who has retained their purchasing power and stayed ahead of inflation due to the flexibility afforded by Karatbars?


For a business owner, the advantages of being a K-Exchange center are obvious. If paper currency continues to depreciate and lose purchasing power, the benefits for a business owner to be constantly infront of the eyeballs of a growing customer base that continues to retain purchasing power is incalculable. If you're a business with a customer base that has no purchasing power... you're essentially out of business. Who knows, ...there may infact come a time when merchants may actually prefer exchanging something else other than FRN for their goods & services.

Having been shopping in multiple jurisdictions that had depreciating currency values, I can tell you merchants readily & eagerly prefer to exchange their goods & services for something that had far greater purchasing power and held value far better than their usual medium of exchange.

Why are you so concerned with the number of K-Exchanges that may or may not be in Las Vegas anyway? You obviously have no desire to acquire Karatbars, so don't worry if the entire database of Vegas K-Exchanges is not yet published.

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Fine. Tell me what restaurant I can go to in California and pay with Karatbars. Also, please tell me how I can leave a tip and receive change. Remember, I don't like fiat currencies and since I will be paying with Karatbars I want my change back in Karatbars too.

Again as I previously stated, I don't have the entire database of k-Exchanges throughout the entire world, and I'm not about to call Germany to request an updated list simply to satisfy the desires of someone who clearly has no interest in acquiring karatbars. If this is something you'd like to know, I suggest you contact the head office in Stuttgart. If you don't want to call to Germany, then perhaps you can wait a few months until everyone is comfortably settled into the new USA office located on Wall Street, 20th floor, and speak with someone there.

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Finally, I'll be able to order my morning coffee and pay with gold... in 2074. ::)

Actually our target date is October 2013 for this feature to be fully functional worldwide. :)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 26, 2013, 01:40:53 AM
I don't doubt that many people misunderstand the value of freedom and democracy.  I get that.  But if a person believes that undefined offenders are presenting a threat that would warrant a trend of rights-removal, and the person views it as full justification for the rights-removal...what can you say?


Haha...I'd like to ask some of these people, if they could envision the re-installment of rights.  lol

Jack, this is the fallacy. Governments cannot "re-install" rights because they do not grant them in the first place.

The government does not grant rights. According to the bill of Rights, these rights are God- given, therefore no government can grant them, or take them away.

All the government can do is to either choose to SECURE your rights or choose to DENY them


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 26, 2013, 03:49:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZaU030bjmU


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 26, 2013, 06:33:38 AM
No, what ...if anything is paid, is for the gold. Hardly a bad business model, just indicative of the fact that the company is highly profitable and doesn't feel the need to nickle & dime us with unnecessary & superfluous costs.

How can they be profitable if they sell gold at (or, as you'be hinted below) spot price and they have the cost of the plastic on top of the price of the good itself.

Come on 24KT - this is simple stuff: either you pay for the plastic or Karatbars pays for the plastic. It's not free.



If you say so. ::)

Provide us a definition of what "currency grade" gold is and show us where you got it from please.


It is what I stated it to be. I don't care "how it sounds to you", and I don't stand behind whatever interpretation you choose to take. I've already stated the purpose & function of the holograms & serial numbers.

You stated that anyone can trivially detect a counterfeit. Do you stand behind this assertion of yours or do you want to rescind it?


For the most part, that is what most karatbars owners are doing at the moment. IMO, one would be foolish to spend their karatbars at the moment while cash (paper or digital) is still being accepted. I know personally that if gold is at $1600/oz, and I had to make a $1600 purchase, I would prefer to give $1600 in fiat paper than fork out an ounce worth of karatbars. My karatbars are a hedge against inflation, and if I use those today, ...over the long run when gold does revalue upwards as it is destined to do imo, then that $1600 purchase today becomes essentially a $5,000 purchase if gold goes to $5,000/oz which many experts predict could very well happen.

Your Karatbars are a nothing but a scam to separate a fool from her money. And gold will not go to $5,000 an ounce. Not too long ago you were saying $2,000/ounce was imminent and urging people to buy now, while they still had a chance... we're a long ways from $2,000/ounce and the support at $1,500 doesn't look all too solid either.

The purpose of the K-Exchanges is to provide a convenient point of exchange IF one had a need to quickly exchange some of their gold back into cash. ie: If one found themselves in need of a quick $500 or whatever amount, and an ATM wasn't an option (for whatever reason) they could exchange a minimal amount of karatbars for the small amount of cash they needed without having to liquidate an entire ounce. It conveniently allows people to keep more of their gold in gold for as long as possible.

Then why have you repeatedly stated that the plastic cards can be used in lieu of currency at many establishments?

Let me give you a little scenario as an example:

ie: The year is 1978 and gold is $40/oz. You choose to buy a pair of Calvin Klein jeans priced at $40.
The merchant agrees to accept an ounce of gold in exchange.
Fast forward a few years, and gold is now $400/oz. You've essentially paid $400 for your Calvins.

Wow... are you really that stupid? I'm at a loss for words... ???

The ability to effect transactions in karatbars is something one should only use quite sparingly imo, and not until you essentially have no choice but to use karatbars.

Don't tell me how to use my Karatbars... You've states that there is extensive network of businesses accepting Karatbars. I asked you to name a restaurant, a car dealer or an airline that accepts Karatbars. You can't. I guess the network isn't quite as extensive as you make I out to be. Hardly a surprise.

Here's another scenario:
ie: The year is 1978 and gold is $40/oz. John acquires a 1 oz coin. Susan acquires 31 x 1g Karatbars.
Fast forward a few years, gold is now $400/oz. John & Susan each are in need of a quick $80

John has to liquidate his entire stockpile of gold and gets $320 in rapidly depreciating paper as change.
He has no more gold left and doesn't have enough to buy another ounce. He has to come up with another $80 to even get back into gold.

Susan on the other hand simply liquidated 6 of her 31 karatbars. She still has 25 karatbars of gold left.

By the time John is able to get his hands on another $80 to get back into gold, Gold is now $800/oz

Susan still has 25g of gold, and was able to acquire 3 more grams (1 gram at a time) before gold went to $800

John's total savings in paper are valued at $400 in depreciated paper
Susan's total savings in gold karatbars are valued at ~ $722 in depreciated paper

Even without replenishing the savings, John's savings would be at $320, and Susan's would be valued at $645

Who has retained their purchasing power and stayed ahead of inflation due to the flexibility afforded by Karatbars?

Let's pretend that your contrived example is accurate. Why couldn't John acquire 1 gram bars from a reputable bullion dealer like Credit Suisse, instead of a plastic card from a company that peddles its wares on Internet fora with crappy presentations made by intellectually challenged people who think that there's such a thing as 999.9% pure gold.

Yes, yes... I know... holograms! ::)


Having been shopping in multiple jurisdictions that had depreciating currency values, I can tell you merchants readily & eagerly prefer to exchange their goods & services for something that had far greater purchasing power and held value far better than their usual medium of exchange.

Perhaps - but how many of those merchants are willing to take your word that a plastic card they've never seen before actually contains any gold at all? I'll tell you: zero, zip, zilch.


Why are you so concerned with the number of K-Exchanges that may or may not be in Las Vegas anyway? You obviously have no desire to acquire Karatbars, so don't worry if the entire database of Vegas K-Exchanges is not yet published

I want to know how liquid my investment is and how many hoops I have to jump through when I need to use my plastic gold "bars".


Again as I previously stated, I don't have the entire database of k-Exchanges throughout the entire world, and I'm not about to call Germany to request an updated list simply to satisfy the desires of someone who clearly has no interest in acquiring karatbars. If this is something you'd like to know, I suggest you contact the head office in Stuttgart. If you don't want to call to Germany, then perhaps you can wait a few months until everyone is comfortably settled into the new USA office located on Wall Street, 20th floor, and speak with someone there.

Ooh - Wall Street. Now I'm sold. But I'm impatient; what's the number in Germany. I really want to know what coffee shops I can use these plastic cards at. And I have other questions that you, apparently, can't answer. Perhaps they can.

Actually our target date is October 2013 for this feature to be fully functional worldwide. :)

But I want coffee now. But with that aside, I'll be sure to check back with you in October to see if this "global" network magically materializes in the next eight months.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 26, 2013, 02:45:28 PM
How can they be profitable if they sell gold at (or, as you'be hinted below) spot price and they have the cost of the plastic on top of the price of the good itself.

Come on 24KT - this is simple stuff: either you pay for the plastic or Karatbars pays for the plastic. It's not free.

Yes it is very simple. Why you insist on twisting it into something complicated is beyond me.

Karatbars Int is profitable because their costs to produce karatbars is less than their selling price.

I never said there is no cost to plastic, simply that the purchaser of the karatbars isn't paying for it.

It's like when someone first requests delivery on 100 grams of karatbars. Shipping is free. That doesn't mean FedEx doesn't charge, simply that the client who is having their 100 grams delivered to them isn't paying for it.

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Provide us a definition of what "currency grade" gold is and show us where you got it from please.

Currency grade gold is the quality of gold used by governments. The same quality of gold you find in government depositories. The quality of gold governments trade with each other and used to settle debts. They do not store jewellry in those vaults, they do not store coins in those vaults, and they do not store dore bars in those vaults, ...only 999.9 LBMA GDL gold.

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You stated that anyone can trivially detect a counterfeit. Do you stand behind this assertion of yours or do you want to rescind it?

I stated that any merchant or store clerk could easily detect a gold bar that has been tampered with.

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Your Karatbars are a nothing but a scam to separate a fool from her money.

If that's what you think, then I suppose you won't be acquiring any then huh?
When it comes to Karatbars, I will gladly wear the label of the fool.

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And gold will not go to $5,000 an ounce. Not too long ago you were saying $2,000/ounce was imminent and urging people to buy now, while they still had a chance... we're a long ways from $2,000/ounce and the support at $1,500 doesn't look all too solid either.

As for support for $1500 not looking too solid, you obviously haven't checked the prices today.  :o
Gold is up $21.10 today. As of 17:20 pm Eastern today, Gold is $1614.70

Those prices quoted at kitco btw represent the spot for paper. I believe we will soon see the price for physical separate and diverge from the price for paper. As for when... who know? but i believe it will come.

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Then why have you repeatedly stated that the plastic cards can be used in lieu of currency at many establishments?

Because they can be, and will continue to be at a growing rate. The USA is not the only country in the world, and face to face is not the only way transactions are conducted these days.

It's kind of like telephones, and email addresses. When Alexander graham Bell and his assistant were the only ones who had telephones, it didn't really seem to be a great invention. People still got dressed, saddled up their horses and travelled to send someone a message. As more & more telephones came into existence, there were more people you could call. now telephones are everywhere. The same with fax machines, email addresses etc. When I got my first email address, hardly anyone had an email address. There were very few people with whom one could email. Now, practically EVERYONE has an email addy, most more than one.

Helen Keller was once asked if she thought there was anything worse than being blind.
She responded "Yes, to have sight, but no vision"  

Those with the vision to see where this is, and where it's going will see it. Those without vision will not.

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I'm at a loss for words... ???

That would be my wish.  ;D

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Don't tell me how to use my Karatbars... You've states that there is extensive network of businesses accepting Karatbars. I asked you to name a restaurant, a car dealer or an airline that accepts Karatbars. You can't. I guess the network isn't quite as extensive as you make I out to be. Hardly a surprise.

Well since you don't have any karatbars, I can't very well tell you how to use them can I?

I do know of one particularly innovative airline that has commissioned private label karatbars with their own logos & artwork. I don't know how they plan to use them, or if they will be accepting them as a form of payment. Until they are published, I don't think it is my place to be speaking publicly about the deal.

As for a restaurant, there's "The Country Bar" its a pub, restaurant, & banquet facility {whispering}...in the Czech Republic
They have free wifi, and dogs & horses are always welcomed especially appaloosas.  :D

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Let's pretend that your contrived example is accurate. Why couldn't John acquire 1 gram bars from a reputable bullion dealer like Credit Suisse, instead of a plastic card from a company that peddles its wares on Internet fora with crappy presentations made by intellectually challenged people who think that there's such a thing as 999.9% pure gold.

Yes, yes... I know... holograms! ::)

Well there is no need to be rude, or to try to ridicule Karatbars.
That's just juvenile & pedantic. A guy with your intelligence level is better than that.

You do know there have been serious issues with credit suisse don't you?

To answer your question because Credit Suisse is not a gold dealer, they are a refinery.

There are higher upfront costs for a comparable 1g piece, and a lower buyback price.

Purchasing currency grade 1g LBMA, credit-suisse bars require a minimum order of 50 units or more units to get 1g weights, and Credit Suisse dealers cannot deliver to as many countries as Karatbars. Try doing a search for 1g Credit Suisse gold bars, and see how many dealers are indefinitely "out-of-stock". For that matter, see how many gold dealers will sell you 1 gram at a time.

The same issue applies with DeGussa weights as well. DeGussa is one of the oldest and most respected refineries in Europe. You can get a sheet of gold that you can snap off into 1g sizes similar to the squares in a Caramilk bar, however, you must buy a larger quantity in order to be able to break off 1g transaction friendly weights.

Unless... you purchase those 1g DeGussa units through Karatbars. In addition to our production facilities within the Atasay refinery, we also have a regular production run by DeGussa as well. We also have another well known LBMA GDL refinery coming on board with us as well. I won't mention the name until Karatbars issues this statement publicly. Seems alot of LBMA GDL refineries are beginning to get the vision when it comes to Karatbars. Since Karatbars is the world's largest producer and seller of 1g LBMA GDL gold bars, maybe they figure... "If you can't beat 'em, ...join em? {shrug}

Karatbars is a very reputable gold dealer. Reputable enough to have both The Vatican AND The British Royal family commission their own private label collectible karatbars. That's credible & reputable enough for me.
 
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Perhaps - but how many of those merchants are willing to take your word that a plastic card they've never seen before actually contains any gold at all? I'll tell you: zero, zip, zilch.

You know, surprisingly enough, my experience has been that those who know gold have instantly accepted and recognized the karatbars to be real. The only skepticism I have found was from those who don't regularly deal in gold. This was very surprising to me because I would have expected it to be the other way around.

Last summer, I was walking by one of those corporate "We Buy Gold" types of places and saw some large novelty 400 oz replica piggy banks being used as display items. Since I was on friendly terms with the store clerk I rushed in to ask her where she had gotten them. She didn't have a clue, and referred me to the store mgr, who also didn't know. She said you'd have to ask my boss, he was the one who got them. As luck would have it, Regional Mgr for Southern ON happened to be in the store at the moment, and they asked him to come speak with me. I was desperate to know where he had acquired them because I had been trying for months. He laughed saying he also had the hardest time since they were sold out all over, but he had managed to buy up the suppliers last remaining stock for the display cases for his retail outlets throughout Southern ON. Anyways, he asked me why I wanted them, and we got to chatting, I showed him a gold bar and he instantly recognized the hallmarks on the karatbars, and knew they were the genuine thing. I asked him how he knew they were real without testing them, and his response was "I know the refinery well... I'm Turkish"  He said he might be able to see if he could scrape up 3 or 4 more of them for me, and that perhaps we could discuss it over coffee, or dinner etc. I decided I wasn't that desperate to get them, and that I'd wait until the supplier restocked their inventory.

The same thing happened back in November when having coffee with a former colleague from the film industry that I ran into in another city. I was telling him about Karatbars, and as we left the coffee shop, he said "Let's go see a friend of mine and show him these, I wanna know what he thinks about them." We went 2 blocks over to a Jewellery store and we showed it to the owner. Bill asked him how much would you give if someone wanted to sell you one of these? The owner immediately said about $45 / $50 a piece. Bill seemed surprised, and said "Don't you need to test it first?" and Perry's response was, "Naw, I can just look at them and see that they're real." That surprised even me because he had never seen nor even heard of Karatbars before. Bill exclaimed that he was surprised that Perry would offer that price, and you know what? Perry blushed, failed to meet my gaze, and stated he couldn't really go much higher because he had to make a profit when he resold it, either to a buyer or a refinery, who in turn needed their profit margin as well. Perry thought Bill was saying it wasn't high enough, when in fact Bill was surprised that a gold bar could even be resold for that much. As I said Perry had never even heard of the Karatbars concept. You should have seen his eyes light up when I told him about the concept of the K-Exchange, and the ability to be incentivized at a guaranteed 2% over buy back.

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I want to know how liquid my investment is and how many hoops I have to jump through when I need to use my plastic gold "bars".

karatbars are not an "investment". They are a unique collectible store of value. They are extremely liquid. You can simply sell them back to Karatbars, and have the funds loaded onto an international debit mastercard in a few days, just like when you transfer funds online from one account to another (easy peasy), ...or you can go directly to the nearest local K-Exchange.


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Ooh - Wall Street. Now I'm sold. But I'm impatient; what's the number in Germany. I really want to know what coffee shops I can use these plastic cards at. And I have other questions that you, apparently, can't answer. Perhaps they can.

In Germany, I really don't know {shrug} I'm not in Germany and I don't keep track of that market.
Can you tell me the precise number of coffee shops in Las Vegas that accept American Express?
Do you even actively keep track of that on a daily basis?

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But I want coffee now.

Well there is a specialty coffee dealer in the Czech Republic that takes orders online. I'm sure you can buy some specialty coffee there, and have them delivery it to you, ...unfortunately, you'll have to make the coffee yourself though.

I do know of a holding company with a chain of coffee shops, convenience store, and gas pumps throughout the USA that has signed a K-Exchange agreement. I don't know when they will be published though. Personally, I can't wait for that. It will shut up a lot of detractors. I know our target this year is to have a million K-Exchanges on board. Whether we reach that this year or next, I can't say. It has been my experience that the only speed records Germans are known for making is on the autobahn. Things may progress slowly & methodically, ...however they are known for their thoroughness & precision.

Why don't you send me those questions via PM?

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But with that aside, I'll be sure to check back with you in October to see if this "global" network magically materializes in the next eight months.

HA! Oh trust me, ...I have no doubt that you will. lol  ;D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: avxo on February 26, 2013, 04:04:13 PM
Yes it is very simple. Why you insist on twisting it into something complicated is beyond me.

Karatbars Int is profitable because their costs to produce karatbars is less than their selling price.

How can this be? Clearly the cost of gold is out of their control; let's call it X per unit of weight, and they then need to manufacture the card itself at some cost Y. In order to make a profit they need to sell a Karabat with W units of gold for at least ((W * X) + Y + 1). If they don't, they don't make a profit.

In other words, they must charge a premium over the price of the raw gold itself. In which case, why not fucking buy the gold to begin with?!? You are paying for the fucking plastic!


I never said there is no cost to plastic, simply that the purchaser of the karatbars isn't paying for it.

Then who is? Karatbars can't be both profitable and selling this stuff for less than cost. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


It's like when someone first requests delivery on 100 grams of karatbars. Shipping is free. That doesn't mean FedEx doesn't charge, simply that the client who is having their 100 grams delivered to them isn't paying for it.

Right. But Karatbars is. So unless the price on the bars is sufficient to actually cover the cost of the gold, the cost of the manufacturing and the cost of the shipping, Karatbars wouldn't be making any money. Yet they are. 2 + 2 is... what?


Currency grade gold is the quality of gold used by governments. The same quality of gold you find in government depositories. The quality of gold governments trade with each other and used to settle debts. They do not store jewellry in those vaults, they do not store coins in those vaults, and they do not store dore bars in those vaults, ...only 999.9 LBMA GDL gold.

995.0 gold is LBMA GLD. And you need at least 350 ounces. So a 1 gram gold bar isn't GDL anything... But don't take my word for it, check out http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm?page_id=27.

Plus, I suggest that you don't have a fucking idea what "999.9" means; the gold in a gold bar is somehow mixed with the plastic. This means that it cannot possibly have a millesimal fineness of 999.9 since 999.9 parts out of a thousand would have to be gold, and we've already established that a gold bar is 98.6% plastic and 1.4% gold.


I stated that any merchant or store clerk could easily detect a gold bar that has been tampered with.

But they can't detect a counterfeit one? What's the point in being able to detect tampering if I can produce "untampered" fakes?


If that's what you think, then I suppose you won't be acquiring any then huh?

You bet. If I want gold, I will buy gold; not plastic. And I certainly don't pay a premium for plastic.


As for support for $1500 not looking too solid, you obviously haven't checked the prices today.  :o
Gold is up $21.10 today. As of 17:20 pm Eastern today, Gold is $1614.70

So, let me get this straight. A 1.3% increase suggests the floor of $1,500 is solid? Boy howdy!


Those prices quoted at kitco btw represent the spot for paper. I believe we will soon see the price for physical separate and diverge from the price for paper. As for when... who know? but i believe it will come.

You know what they say about beliefs - they're like assholes: everybody has one and yours stinks.


Because they can be, and will continue to be at a growing rate. The USA is not the only country in the world, and face to face is not the only way transactions are conducted these days.

Find me one person with 100 square miles of Las Vegas willing to sell me a car and will accept payment in Karatbars.


It's kind of like telephones, and email addresses. When Alexander graham Bell and his assistant were the only ones who had telephones, it didn't really seem to be a great invention. People still got dressed, saddled up their horses and travelled to send someone a message. As more & more telephones came into existence, there were more people you could call. now telephones are everywhere. The same with fax machines, email addresses etc. When I got my first email address, hardly anyone had an email address. There were very few people with whom one could email. Now, practically EVERYONE has an email addy, most more than one.

The problem is that Karatbars aren't practical as a currency: they don't satisfy the property of easy divisibility, which is of paramount importance. If I need to buy a $1.50 sprocket, you can't scrape off a $1.50 of gold from my gold bar and all is well.


Helen Keller was once asked if she thought there was anything worse than being blind.
She responded "Yes, to have sight, but no vision"

No, sorry. I have no vision for silly little plastic collectibles.


Those with the vision to see where this is, and where it's going will see it. Those without vision will not.

Those with vision see that you are peddling a product that makes no sense, hoping to make commissions.


Well since you don't have any karatbars, I can't very well tell you how to use them can I?

But let's assume I did. Let's assume I have $1,000,000 in gold in convenient Karatbars form. I haul them around in a big truck, because of all the extra plastic surrounding the gold (Hmm... maybe not so convenient after all). With my Karatbars in tow, I set out to spend some money. Where can I go to spend my hard earned plastic gold? Tell me ONE FUCKING PLACE in my area that will accept payment with Karatbars. Not in a year. Today.


I do know of one particularly innovative airline that has commissioned private label karatbars with their own logos & artwork. I don't know how they plan to use them, or if they will be accepting them as a form of payment. Until they are published, I don't think it is my place to be speaking publicly about the deal.

Right... a mysterious and anonymous airline... yeah.


As for a restaurant, there's "The Country Bar" its a pub, restaurant, & banquet facility {whispering}...in the Czech Republic
They have free wifi, and dogs & horses are always welcomed especially appaloosas.  :D

Well, at least that's something. Now, I just wonder how I can order a beer, pay with a gold bar and get change back...


You do know there have been serious issues with credit suisse don't you?

What issues? As far as I know, their bullion bars are second to none and their name is well-known and respected. Have they delivered any bars that weren't as represented?

To answer your question because Credit Suisse is not a gold dealer, they are a refinery.

So? What do I care? I'm only interested in the gold. Not their business model.


There are higher upfront costs for a comparable 1g piece, and a lower buyback price.

So, a refinery has higher up front costs, but a middle man, who will buy from the refinery, massage the gold a bit and sell it to me doesn't? How does that make sense?


Purchasing currency grade 1g LBMA, credit-suisse bars require a minimum order of 50 units or more units to get 1g weights, and Credit Suisse dealers cannot deliver to as many countries as Karatbars. Try doing a search for 1g Credit Suisse gold bars, and see how many dealers are indefinitely "out-of-stock". For that matter, see how many gold dealers will sell you 1 gram at a time.

I don't want to buy 1 gram of gold anymore than I want to buy one pea or one walnut.


Karatbars is a very reputable gold dealer. Reputable enough to have both The Vatican AND The British Royal family commission their own private label collectible karatbars. That's credible & reputable enough for me.

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean their product makes sense. I mean, shit, Microsoft is a reputable software company and Windows 8 sucks.
 

Last summer, blah blah blah

Yeah... right.


The same thing happened back in November when having coffee with a former colleague from the film industry that I ran into in another city. I was telling him about Karatbars, and as we left the coffee shop, he said "Let's go see a friend of mine and show him these, I wanna know what he thinks about them." We went 2 blocks over to a Jewellery store and we showed it to the owner. Bill asked him how much would you give if someone wanted to sell you one of these? The owner immediately said about $45 / $50 a piece. Bill seemed surprised, and said "Don't you need to test it first?" and Perry's response was, "Naw, I can just look at them and see that they're real." That surprised even me because he had never seen nor even heard of Karatbars before. Bill exclaimed that he was surprised that Perry would offer that price, and you know what? Perry blushed, failed to meet my gaze, and stated he couldn't really go much higher because he had to make a profit when he resold it, either to a buyer or a refinery, who in turn needed their profit margin as well. Perry thought Bill was saying it wasn't high enough, when in fact Bill was surprised that a gold bar could even be resold for that much. As I said Perry had never even heard of the Karatbars concept. You should have seen his eyes light up when I told him about the concept of the K-Exchange, and the ability to be incentivized at a guaranteed 2% over buy back.

Where is that jeweler who can tell that a plastic card he's never seen before contains gold?


karatbars are not an "investment". They are a unique collectible store of value. They are extremely liquid. You can simply sell them back to Karatbars, and have the funds loaded onto an international debit mastercard in a few days, just like when you transfer funds online from one account to another (easy peasy), ...or you can go directly to the nearest local K-Exchange.

"A few days" isn't liquid...


Can you tell me the precise number of coffee shops in Las Vegas that accept American Express?
Do you even actively keep track of that on a daily basis?

I don't need to - I know that my card will be accepted in every place I go.


I do know of a holding company with a chain of coffee shops, convenience store, and gas pumps throughout the USA that has signed a K-Exchange agreement. I don't know when they will be published though. Personally, I can't wait for that. It will shut up a lot of detractors. I know our target this year is to have a million K-Exchanges on board. Whether we reach that this year or next, I can't say. It has been my experience that the only speed records Germans are known for making is on the autobahn. Things may progress slowly & methodically, ...however they are known for their thoroughness & precision.

How convenient. Just like the airline, you know it's there but can't reveal information... I'll bet you a shiny 1 oz Gold Maple that not a single gas station in the United States will accept payments in Karatbars in 2013 or 2014. Care to put your money where your mouth is?


HA! Oh trust me, ...I have no doubt that you will. lol  ;D

At least we agree on something :)


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 26, 2013, 04:06:41 PM
Wow my thread  is kicking ass go 24kt you go girl haha. Oh and the mods on this section are the biggest hypocrites. They delete and edit posts/threaten selectively. For example they let slide anti-muslim anti-islam comments in this section including ones inciting violence, murder of Muslims, encouraging it, complimenting it, cheering it on, , etc...In fact some of them partake in it.  However often times they go out of their way to censor stuff that makes the US or US army look like shit.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 26, 2013, 04:09:37 PM
Now you're getting the picture!

The rest of your irrelevant drivel was snipped to get to the crux of things.

G'Night honeybunny  :-*

Still can't construct an actual argument huh?

You failed to show we are losing any significant rights.  What you showed were restrictions or adjustments.

Other than the two I listed, not you, those are the only changes any here has been able to serve up.

Whavenue have done is exactly what I said you would do:  clips, images, dodging and deflection.   I will add blatant denial to the list now.

The weakness of your arguments similar to me saying that Canada is a nazi state because if you get caught with pepper spray in the capital building you will spend 3-5 years in prison.

Which would be completely retarded....as usual from you.

PS:  jag is that all you got, is that all you are?  All you have are weak ass arguments and jibberish backed by retarded clips made on final cut studio?





Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 26, 2013, 04:10:58 PM
lol americans in denial, thinking they have not lost any rights in the last decade. That's really really funny. "Freedom" the american delusion just like the 'american dream' you have to be asleep to believe it.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 26, 2013, 04:12:51 PM
Wow my thread  is kicking ass go 24kt you go girl haha. Oh and the mods on this section are the biggest hypocrites. They delete and edit posts/threaten selectively. For example they let slide anti-muslim anti-islam comments in this section including ones inciting violence, murder, etc... of Muslims, encouraging it, complimenting it, cheering it on, etc... but then go out of their way often times to censor stuff that makes the US or US army look like shit.

No one called you any names Ahmed.  Read the rules again.  Get an English translator if you need to.

Mean while as we continue to bomb the shit out of the cave dwelling AQ smelly animals in Afghanistan and else where perhaps you can leave your nice western country, our northern colony and actually support their cause.


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: OzmO on February 26, 2013, 04:14:56 PM
lol americans in denial, thinking they have not lost any rights in the last decade. That's really really funny. "Freedom" the american delusion just like the 'american dream' you have to be asleep to believe it.

List them and explain how they are leading to pour demise.  None of these other retards can. 

Meanwhile as we turn away millions every year trying to get into this country you go on believing the is no American Drean.

Let me ask you Ahmed, do you believe in a smelly cave dwelling animal dream?  You know one where you can stone women in the town square or beat them to death?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Roger Bacon on February 26, 2013, 04:23:01 PM
Wow this thread sucks ass go avxo haha. Oh and the mods on this section are very professional. They don't let their own opinions get in the way. For example they let obvious bullshit posted by Muslim extremists slide...  However often times they're critical of their own country.  They never censor or delete stuff posted by foreigners that obviously hold a hateful grudge against the United States (and its people) that makes the US or US army look like shit.

Fixed


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: a_ahmed on February 26, 2013, 04:34:54 PM
I smell trash but I won't point to it, it's in the viscinity  ;D Oh wait what were we talking about again? How the US sucks balls and wants to make the rest of the world suck more in order to make itself look good through perpetual warfare?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Skip8282 on February 26, 2013, 05:00:40 PM
I smell trash but I won't point to it, it's in the viscinity  ;D Oh wait what were we talking about again? How the US sucks balls and wants to make the rest of the world suck more in order to make itself look good through perpetual warfare?



So....you gonna post the evidence Ozmo asked?


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 27, 2013, 01:37:35 AM
How can this be? Clearly the cost of gold is out of their control; let's call it X per unit of weight, and they then need to manufacture the card itself at some cost Y. In order to make a profit they need to sell a Karabat with W units of gold for at least ((W * X) + Y + 1). If they don't, they don't make a profit.

In other words, they must charge a premium over the price of the raw gold itself. In which case, why not fucking buy the gold to begin with?!? You are paying for the fucking plastic!

Then who is? Karatbars can't be both profitable and selling this stuff for less than cost. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Right. But Karatbars is. So unless the price on the bars is sufficient to actually cover the cost of the gold, the cost of the manufacturing and the cost of the shipping, Karatbars wouldn't be making any money. Yet they are. 2 + 2 is... what?

There's a HUGE difference between a manufacturers cost per unit, and the going market rate per unit.

Maybe a simple analogy would help make it clearer for you.

If I was a big name fancy haute couture designer, whose actual costs for material, thread, beading, lace, buttons & labour etc came to a total of $40 to make a floor length evening gown, ...and the going rate for a comparable haute couture floor length evening gown was $5,000 ...don't you suppose that I could sell my evening gowns for $3995 and still be highly profitable? ...so profitable in fact that I could afford to throw in an extra button?

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995.0 gold is LBMA GLD. And you need at least 350 ounces. So a 1 gram gold bar isn't GDL anything... But don't take my word for it, check out http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm?page_id=27.

Actually I said GDL gold, as in Good Delivery List gold. I didn't say Good Delivery Bars.
A Good Delivery Bar is a 400 oz bar.

And if you scroll through the list you will indeed find the Atasay refinery on the Good Delivery List

http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm?page_id=147&title=good_delivery_lists

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Plus, I suggest that you don't have a fucking idea what "999.9" means; the gold in a gold bar is somehow mixed with the plastic. This means that it cannot possibly have a millesimal fineness of 999.9 since 999.9 parts out of a thousand would have to be gold, and we've already established that a gold bar is 98.6% plastic and 1.4% gold.

You can suggest whatever you want. it doesn't make it so.
And the gold is NOT mixed with the plastic. That's ridiculous.
I'm embarrased for you that you would even make such a ridiculous allegation.

And in actuality, the card is 100% plastic, and the gold ingot embedded in the card is gold refined to a purity of 999.9.The gold and the card are 2 separate substances. Your argument is not only a specious and intentionally misleading one, it's also ridiculous beyond words, and I'm even further embarassed for you that you would even make it. Heaven help those for whom it made any sense to. That's like saying a bottle of wine is not 100% wine because the bottle is made of glass, the label is made of paper, and the cork is etc., etc., Therefore the wine isn't 100% pure wine, it's X% glass, X% paper, and X% cork. ::)  ::)  ::)

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But they can't detect a counterfeit one? What's the point in being able to detect tampering if I can produce "untampered" fakes?

If you think you can produce a passable and untampered fake... go for it. See how far you get.


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You know what they say about beliefs - they're like assholes: everybody has one and yours stinks.

Find me one person with 100 square miles of Las Vegas willing to sell me a car and will accept payment in Karatbars.

You go find yourself someone within 100 square miles of Las Vegas who will sell you a car for karatbars. What do I look like... your own personal shopper? Are you even in the market to buy a car, ...or are you just being an asshole?


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The problem is that Karatbars aren't practical as a currency: they don't satisfy the property of easy divisibility, which is of paramount importance. If I need to buy a $1.50 sprocket, you can't scrape off a $1.50 of gold from my gold bar and all is well.

Karatbars are indeed a practical medium of exchange. Infact, they are a far more practical medium of exchange than American Eagles or Canadian Maples due to the very same argument you just made. You cannot scrape off $1.50 to exchange for a sprocket, or $50 to exchange for a bag of groceries, or a tank of gas or whatever.... It requires the liquidation of the entire oz. which is problematic (see my earlier example with John)

A $1.50 sprocket may be equivalent in value to 0.000X grams of gold. By Oct 2013 (barring no glitches) the holder of a karatbars account will have the ability to exchange a mere fraction of a gram.


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No, sorry. I have no vision for silly little plastic collectibles.

That is quite evident. Now I know how Ray Kinsella must have felt. lol

That's ok. Lack of vision is not always a permanent condition. When I was a kid, I lacked vision as well. I lacked the vision for silly little paper collectibles. I shudder to think of how many mint condition bobby orr rookie cards I threw away / gave away/ skidded off school yard playgrounds. Bobby Orr, Mario LeMeiux, Paul Henderson, Half the time, I threw out the hockey cards, 'cause I only bought them in order to get the 5 cent piece of gum that was stiff like cardboard. If only I knew. OY!

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Those with vision see that you are peddling a product that makes no sense, hoping to make commissions.

Ya know, when Bill Gates & Steve Jobs first presented the idea of PCs, the head of IBM didn't have the vision to see it. He stated uncategorically that there was probably only 4 people on the entire planet... maybe the President of the United States or the President of GM who could possibly have a need for a personal computer. Well history has shown how much of a visionary he was... NOT!


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But let's assume I did. Let's assume I have $1,000,000 in gold in convenient Karatbars form. I haul them around in a big truck, because of all the extra plastic surrounding the gold (Hmm... maybe not so convenient after all). With my Karatbars in tow, I set out to spend some money. Where can I go to spend my hard earned plastic gold?

Why on earth would you be hauling $1,000,000 worth of anything (cash or gold) around with you in the first place? Are you homeless? Are you one of those guys who hauls his possessions around with him everywhere he goes in a supermarket shopping cart?

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Tell me ONE FUCKING PLACE in my area that will accept payment with Karatbars. Not in a year. Today.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with Vegas brothels. I heard there was a Mustang Ranch that got taken over and run by the federal government, but it went broke.

I am not personally aware of a K-Exchange in Las Vegas at the moment. That doesn't mean it does not exist, ...only that I am not yet personally aware of one. Understand this has been 3 years in development, ...and all the components are coming together slowly but surely. And as beautiful as it is, ...it is still an unfinished work of art. Remember, Rome was not built in a day.


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Right... a mysterious and anonymous airline... yeah.

No, I wouldn't say it's a mysterious or anonymous airline. I think chaste is more like it.  ;)
{whispering} Feel free to read between the lines on that one

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Well, at least that's something. Now, I just wonder how I can order a beer, pay with a gold bar and get change back...

At the moment, you can exchange physical karatbars and get change back in fiat paper, ...or after Oct 2013, you can exchange physical karatbars and get change back in either fiat paper, or transferred from the establishment's Karatbars account to your karatbars account, ...or you can simply transfer an exact amount without the need for change, just like you do when using a bank debit card.

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What issues? As far as I know, their bullion bars are second to none and their name is well-known and respected. Have they delivered any bars that weren't as represented?

I don't consider it my place to air the dirty linens of my competition in public.
I prefer instead to speak positively about my own brand.

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So? What do I care? I'm only interested in the gold. Not their business model.

You should care about the business model. That's like asking why can't I buy my ketchup from Heinz?
Heinz is the manufacturer, they don't have retail outlets. They rely on retail outlets to sell their products.

IKEA's business model is different however. In IKEA's instance they are both manufacturer AND retailer.
That dual role is conducive to greater profitability. The profitability of a vertically integrated company is "off the chain" as they say... so much so that they can often afford to throw in a few extra buttons or a little piece of plastic at no charge. Kind of like when McDonald's give you a packet of ketchup without charging you for it. Or is it your contention that McDonald's has a bad business model because they don't charge the consumer a nickle to have a packet of ketchup with their fries?

Wait a minute... now I know why you keep insisting I find you a car dealership in Vegas, an airline, and a restaurant that accept karatbars.  You're probably sick & tired of getting turned away every time you show up at the assembly line in Detroit trying to buy a car. Ahhh... I get it now.

Avxo: I wanna buy a car!
Assembly line foreman: no avxo we only make them here, we don't sell them from here.
Avxo: I don't care about your business model, I wanna f'ing car
Assembly line foreman: No avxo, you need to find a dealership in your local area
Avxo: I want a f'ing car NOW!

You're probably running out of cash too, what with all those darned flights back & forth from Vegas to Detroit,
...and you're probably hungry as well huh? Lord knows airline food not always the best.

Poor thing.  Is your tummy grumbling... making scary noises? :'(
 
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So, a refinery has higher up front costs, but a middle man, who will buy from the refinery, massage the gold a bit and sell it to me doesn't? How does that make sense?

I am saying there is a higher upfront cost for the buyer to purchase credit-suisse bars.
In your zeal to be argumentative, belligerent & bellicose, you are not even comprehending what you're reading.

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I don't want to buy 1 gram of gold anymore than I want to buy one pea or one walnut.

That's YOU! One person out of how many billions worldwide? While there may be others who feel the same as you, there are imo a greater majority who either cannot afford to acquire their gold by the ounce or kilo, ...or who may see how clever it is to have gold in smaller, transaction friendly weights. And still more who see the ability to magnify & accelerate their gold accumulation at essentially no out-of-pocket cost as more than ideal. I certainly hope you're not suggesting that karatbars should change it's business model to cater to your individual tastes and preferences rather than to make gold ownership more accessible for the masses? Uh, ...please don't hold your breath on that one.

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Perhaps. But that doesn't mean their product makes sense. I mean, shit, Microsoft is a reputable software company and Windows 8 sucks

Yet you and so many other people felt the need to upgrade the O/S from XP, Vista, & Windows 7...
It's called progress my friend. And when one finds a better, more clever, and more innovative way to achieve the end objective, keeping pace and staying ahead or new technological, or economical paradigmns, then upgrades are necessary if one wants to remain functional. Otherwise you get left behind.
 
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Yeah... right.

Yeah... right!

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Where is that jeweler who can tell that a plastic card he's never seen before contains gold?

Right about now, ...he's probably in bed.

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"A few days" isn't liquid...

It's as liquid as the hold many banks place on cheques deposited either at the teller or through the ATM.
If that's not liquid enough for you, go to a local K-Exchange.

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I don't need to - I know that my card will be accepted in every place I go.

That is not a precise number. I asked for a precise number.

Are you sure American Express is accepted everywhere you go? You probably may not go to that many places then? Or maybe it is a matter of you only go to where your American Express is accepted?

I used to have an American Express card. I switched to Visa & MasterCard. I found it bothersome that many places didn't accept Amex... only Visa or Mastercard.

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How convenient. Just like the airline, you know it's there but can't reveal information... I'll bet you a shiny 1 oz Gold Maple that not a single gas station in the United States will accept payments in Karatbars in 2013 or 2014. Care to put your money where your mouth is?

There you go again with your damned bets. you really DO live in Vegas don't you?  ::)

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At least we agree on something :)

Ya, ...you stink. lol. :D


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 27, 2013, 09:32:15 AM
Jack, this is the fallacy. Governments cannot "re-install" rights because they do not grant them in the first place.

The government does not grant rights. According to the bill of Rights, these rights are God- given, therefore no government can grant them, or take them away.

This tells me that an entity that would act against such rights, is an ungodly entity.  It also tells me that an ungodly entity has been extremely busy in the past 12 years.

All the government can do is to either choose to SECURE your rights or choose to DENY them

As unpopular as it may be to put forth, I'd say that we're witnessing what happens when God is pushed out of the picture.  Too many otherwise good people have lost track of what their rights mean, and their role in protecting the rights, and they've allowed mankind to set the score.  We're seeing the result of that arrogance, right now.

My point regarding a reinstallation, or legal restoration, or reconstruction, is that the standing design specifically cannot allow it.  The design states that we have a violator that can only be defined as one that is posing a threat--meaning that it cannot and will not allow a conclusion.

To believe in the design, is to submit to endless fear.  And the only thing to fear...


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: 24KT on February 27, 2013, 05:56:45 PM
This tells me that an entity that would act against such rights, is an ungodly entity.  It also tells me that an ungodly entity has been extremely busy in the past 12 years.

As unpopular as it may be to put forth, I'd say that we're witnessing what happens when God is pushed out of the picture.  Too many otherwise good people have lost track of what their rights mean, and their role in protecting the rights, and they've allowed mankind to set the score.  We're seeing the result of that arrogance, right now.

My point regarding a reinstallation, or legal restoration, or reconstruction, is that the standing design specifically cannot allow it.  The design states that we have a violator that can only be defined as one that is posing a threat--meaning that it cannot and will not allow a conclusion.

To believe in the design, is to submit to endless fear.  And the only thing to fear...

Hence the title of this thread  :D

It looks like Ahmed has called it accurately. hahaha.

That would be:

Canadians: 758
Americans: 3


Title: Re: USA listens to devil's whispers, wants to ruin world
Post by: Jack T. Cross on February 27, 2013, 06:34:21 PM
Hence the title of this thread  :D

It looks like Ahmed has called it accurately. hahaha.

That would be:

Canadians: 758
Americans: 3

Believe me, I read the writing on the wall.

But I wouldn't attempt to pin this on the USA.  It is the result of a mental illness--elitism--that afflicts people from everywhere.  The sickness seems to be exacerbated by excessive, generational wealth, and it is members of that group that are largely responsible for the problems.  Not "the USA", specifically. 

In fact, if the USA was what she's supposed to be, she would be the greatest threat against elitism/fascism/globalism.