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Now the death toll is 9/11 times two. U.S. military deaths from Iraq and Afghanistan now match those of the most devastating terrorist attack in America's history, the trigger for what came next. Add casualties from chasing terrorists elsewhere in the world, and the total has passed the Sept. 11 figure...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060922/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/911_times_two
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it's called war and as crappy as it sounds, the lives lost are helping to make sure all of us here posting dumbass threads can continue to do so. And I have lost friends in this war. I respect each and every one doing their part overseas and domestically that work day in and day out to protect us and rid the world of those that want to kill us. and that is kill civilians and destroy our way of life.
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it's called war and as crappy as it sounds, the lives lost are helping to make sure all of us here posting dumbass threads can continue to do so. And I have lost friends in this war. I respect each and every one doing their part overseas and domestically that work day in and day out to protect us and rid the world of those that want to kill us. and that is kill civilians and destroy our way of life.
Then show some respect to those who voice opinions in opposition to your own.
The freedom or speech, and freedom to question, and dissent enjoyed up til now is part of the 'American Way of Life' and anyone who would censor that is unamerican and participating in the destruction of America.
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Then show some respect to those who voice opinions in opposition to your own.
The freedom or speech, and freedom to question, and dissent enjoyed up til now is part of the 'American Way of Life' and anyone who would censor that is unamerican and participating in the destruction of America.
What does freedom of speech have to do with anything? The First Amendment only applies if there is "state action," i.e., when the government is trying to regulate speech. Private entities can censor all they want. See my Veggie Tales post from last night, where networks are censoring the word "God" out of Veggie Tales episodes so they don't offend paranoid atheists and agnostics.
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What about the freedom to question, and to dissent? What about the freedom to not be BSed by your own gov.
I know that's not in the constitution, ...but damn it, ...IT SHOULD BE! >:(
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i wonder what the number of islamists killed since 9/11. quite a lot i'm sure
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i wonder what the number of islamists killed since 9/11. quite a lot i'm sure
What do you mean by Islamists killed? Don't you mean Iraqi's, Afghani's, or AlQ killed?
...or is this really a 'crusade' as Bush first stated it to be in the days immediately following 911?
If that's the case, ...I stand corrected. You would have used the correct term afterall.
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and the war price on U.S lives when fighting the japanese was much more than the attacks on pearl harbor, we shouldnt have fought japan, would have saved american lives.
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and the war price on U.S lives when fighting the japanese was much more than the attacks on pearl harbor, we shouldnt have fought japan, would have saved american lives.
Cute, but Iraq wasn't the one that attacked us. BTW... ::)
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Cute, but Iraq wasn't the one that attacked us. BTW... ::)
no, they didn't, what's your point?
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no, they didn't, what's your point?
I don't speak for Ozmo, but I believe his point is that these lives shouldn't have been lost over some meaningless war. And by lives I mean US soliders.
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I don't speak for Ozmo, but I believe his point is that these lives shouldn't have been lost over some meaningless war. And by lives I mean US soliders.
Spot on CJ! If we lost that in Afghanistan i'd feel they were justified. But we were manipulated by our government and lied to. And as a result we have 3000+ dead in Iraq, and unstable country, thousands wounded, 50k to 600k dead iraqis, 800 billion in debt and no end in sight.
Yeah monster brilliant and we have a smurf account who is too chicken shit to post in his real name. Pathetic weak ass shit.
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Spot on CJ! If we lost that in Afghanistan i'd feel they were justified. But we were manipulated by our government and lied to. And as a result we have 3000+ dead in Iraq, and unstable country, thousands wounded, 50k to 600k dead iraqis, 800 billion in debt and no end in sight.
Yeah monster brilliant and we have a smurf account who is too chicken shit to post in his real name. Pathetic weak ass shit.
800 billion in debt from the iraq war? links please.
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You go find them, It's been discussed here for months. even if it was 100 billion........ what the fuck difference does it make? It's still a stupid mistake for us to do what we did. what could 100 billion do in our schools? As more and more our children rate lower and lower as compared to the rest of the world. We out getting 3000 americans killed for a bull shit reasons and drones like your self who don't have to pay the price applaud it. idiotic
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I'm sorry, i just looked it up: 380+ Billion. I wonder if that makes it all better now? ::)
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You go find them, It's been discussed here for months. even if it was 100 billion........ what the f**k difference does it make? It's still a stupid mistake for us to do what we did. what could 100 billion do in our schools? As more and more our children rate lower and lower as compared to the rest of the world. We out getting 3000 americans killed for a bull shit reasons and drones like your self who don't have to pay the price applaud it. idiotic
i support furthering United States imperialism in the middleast. I don't support the way the Iraq war is being fought, far too politically correct, resulting in deaths of american soldiers.
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I'm sorry, i just looked it up: 380+ Billion. I wonder if that makes it all better now? ::)
all of the 380 billion is debt? pretty much positive that's not the case. Also, dont forget all the money going back into the USA economy from that 380 billion.
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i support furthering United States imperialism in the middleast. I don't support the way the Iraq war is being fought, far too politically correct, resulting in deaths of american soldiers.
LMAO
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all of the 380 billion is debt? pretty much positive that's not the case. Also, dont forget all the money going back into the USA economy from that 380 billion.
OMG LMAO more.
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dude you are soo way out, i think you are just saying this shit to bait people into an stupid arguement.
I'm going back to play a tourney. (hold 'em)
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LMAO
arabs/'persians'/muslims need to be ruled with an iron fist, like saddam ran iraq. a full out democracy will never work. USA is far too PC with the way this war is fought. fact.
cheers.
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OMG LMAO more.
all the jobs in iraq, soldiers, contractors, the catering companies, construction companies etc. etc., where is all the money they're earning going to go? into iraq? no. back into the USA economy. the cost of the iraq war is a fraction of the federal budget.
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The estimated war costs with longterm health costs is 2 trillion. We are borrowing it from international banks who are getting deeds to US land. Remember, our nation is actually a corporate entity. You do know this, right? I don't recall the President, but when the fed reserve went live, we became a corporate entity- the USA.
Also odd that many will completely realize that the war in Iraq was waged using a complete lie, but the war in Afghaniztan.... ;)
I guess you'll realize that lie, given enough time.
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The estimated war costs with longterm health costs is 2 trillion. We are borrowing it from international banks who are getting deeds to US land. Remember, our nation is actually a corporate entity. You do know this, right? I don't recall the President, but when the fed reserve went live, we became a corporate entity- the USA.
Also odd that many will completely realize that the war in Iraq was waged using a complete lie, but the war in Afghaniztan.... ;)
I guess you'll realize that lie, given enough time.
any links to back up this 2 trillion dollar figure? USA debt is only at 65% of GDP, around 68% of which is 'good' debt such as mortgages etc.
to put in perspective, japans debt is at 170% of GDP.
how is the war in afghanistan a lie? please inform me, im very curious.
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all of the 380 billion is debt? pretty much positive that's not the case. Also, dont forget all the money going back into the USA economy from that 380 billion.
You are incredably stupid.
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You are incredably stupid.
how so? please be specific, what is it that i said do you feel to be untrue?
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any links to back up this 2 trillion dollar figure? USA debt is only at 65% of GDP, around 68% of which is 'good' debt such as mortgages etc.
Harvard and Columbia researchers/economists place the estimated cost of the Iraq war, including health care for the thousands of maimed, at $2 trillion. Source:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2006/01/08/economists_say_cost_of_war_could_top_2_trillion/
When you consider our national debt is already $8.5T, oil prices are going to jump after election day and DOW is gonna take a dump on Jan 2, things look groovy huh?
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how is the war in afghanistan a lie? please inform me, im very curious.
We went to war in Afghanistan because of 9/11, right?
Wrong.
June 26 2001, India's govt announced in their newspaper that they planned to assist the US in the upcoming invasion of Afghanistan. Source:
http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy
July 2001, a former Pakistani diplomat told the BBC that he was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
Now, would the US population have supported a war in Afghanistan? The answer would be hell no. If only some sudden event could occur which would motivate the US people to give GWB the permission slip to attack Afghanistan.
A little light starting to come on yet? ;)
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If only some sudden event could occur which would motivate the US people to give GWB the permission slip to attack Afghanistan.
Now, you're probably rationalizing... "Okay, we planned to invade in mid-October. Maybe 911 was just a huge coincidence!"
That might work, if in fact the White House hadn't been given very specific information about 9/11 from twelve nations we consider allies. A total of 29 warnings, some of which had detailed info about 5 of the guys, the attack date, the targets, etc. Source:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&warning_signs:_specific_cases=foreignIntelligence
So now you know the war in Afghanistan was planned way before 9/11, and that we had a pretty good idea that 9/11 was going to happen.
So you tell me....
What part of "we were surprise attacked so we had to quickly prepare for a war in Afghanistan" isn't a lie?
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Harvard and Columbia researchers/economists place the estimated cost of the Iraq war, including health care for the thousands of maimed, at $2 trillion. Source:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2006/01/08/economists_say_cost_of_war_could_top_2_trillion/
When you consider our national debt is already $8.5T, oil prices are going to jump after election day and DOW is gonna take a dump on Jan 2, things look groovy huh?
wow. the boston globe, great source, one of the most liberal news papers in the country. i definitly take their word as gospel. no way they would post an with article written by a ( much more than likely) liberal with exagerated figures of costs to make the iraq war seem worse than it is. that would make the republicans look bad, they would never want that to happen. never.
again, great source of unbiased information.
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So you tell me....
What part of "we were surprise attacked so we had to quickly prepare for a war in Afghanistan" isn't a lie?
At this point, you're preobably a little freaked, that's cool. Very normal. Just as war in iraq was designed to keep Iraqi oil out of the hands of others, the war in Afghanistan was designed to keep Afghani oil out of the hands of others.
We don't need the oil, yet. But we want it to be there, under our thumb. We know we'll need it eventually, and we'd prefer the billion muslim pricks over there, who suddenly have internet access and a love for the strengthening Euro, NOT learn about the fortune they're sitting on. We will manage this oil. Manage to keep it out of their hands too.
Aside form the oil, there are other reasons. Grudges- Israel hates the bastards over there, and Israel has more hands in our banks, military complex, and govt that you probably know. Longterm mgmt of world resources... we can't have those orientals and arabs, already coming up on 3 billion, becoming 6 billion in the next 15 years. We'll "manage" their population, but that'll be down the road and you'll probably see it on FOX news as a terrible plague which *luckily* doesn't kill white people.
Wow... it's pretty brilliant when you look at the scope of things. It's an incredible time to be witnessing history, my friend! It's out of our hands, so don't get any silly ideas about changing anything, because you cannot. But if you understand the machinery of the ride, it's often so much more fun :)
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wow. the boston globe, great source, one of the most liberal news papers in the country. i definitly take their word as gospel. no way they would post an with article written by a ( much more than likely) liberal with exagerated figures of costs to make the iraq war seem worse than it is. that would make the republicans look bad, they would never want that to happen. never.
again, great source of unbiased information.
hey, It is somewhere between $1 and $2T.
Either way, it's $1 to $2T that our kids won't have for social security, education, or health care. I am sure you can find some more conservative estimates of the war cost, and that's fine. I'm sure we can agree "a shitload of money we don't have" would adequately describe the war financial costs. :)
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We went to war in Afghanistan because of 9/11, right?
Wrong.
June 26 2001, India's govt announced in their newspaper that they planned to assist the US in the upcoming invasion of Afghanistan. Source:
http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy
July 2001, a former Pakistani diplomat told the BBC that he was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
Now, would the US population have supported a war in Afghanistan? The answer would be hell no. If only some sudden event could occur which would motivate the US people to give GWB the permission slip to attack Afghanistan.
A little light starting to come on yet? ;)
answer me this:
after 9/11, do you think americans wanted something to be done in retaliation to the attacks, something to prevent further attacks? or no?
did, or did not, afghanistan have terrorist training camps, sworn enemies of USA who wish/wished to do americans harm, and could do americans harm, whether or not directly linked to the attacks on 9/11?
was or was not afghanistan an easy target?
yes
yes
yes
it was the perfect target after 9/11.
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wow. the boston globe, great source, one of the most liberal news papers in the country.
You'd also have to call Harvard and Columbia corrupted liberals. It was their research, after all. And, yahoo, reuters, Stanford, NPR, and others. ABC and Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph E Stiglitz have it at 2.6 Trillion.
It's not about liberal/conservative, boss. It's dollar and cents, and our childrens' futures.
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answer me this:
after 9/11, do you think americans wanted something to be done in retaliation to the attacks, something to prevent further attacks? or no?
did, or did not, afghanistan have terrorist training camps, sworn enemies of USA who wish/wished to do americans harm, and could do americans harm, whether or not directly linked to the attacks on 9/11?
was or was not afghanistan an easy target?
yes
yes
yes
it was the perfect target after 9/11.
You ignored my points, DL. I showed you documented evidence that the US knew 911 was coming, and that we had planned with war with other nations three months ahead of time. This completely dispels the two notions upon which the war on afghanistan is based.
Afghanistan was not an easy target. We're still there, 5 years after invading. The drug export is actually higher now than it was in Aug 2001. The Taliban is still very strong. So no, not an easy target.
And yes, the war was justified in the eyes of the American people by 9/11. My point, which I made very clearly, is that 9/11 was allowed to happen in order to get 290 million Americans to support the wa our govt was secretly planning. It worked.
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hey, It is somewhere between $1 and $2T.
Either way, it's $1 to $2T that our kids won't have for social security, education, or health care. I am sure you can find some more conservative estimates of the war cost, and that's fine. I'm sure we can agree "a shitload of money we don't have" would adequately describe the war financial costs. :)
ok, ill just take your word for it even without any proof. like i said dont forget that that money doesnt just dissapear. it goes back into the USA economy, most of it. it doesnt dissapear.
USA economy is growing faster than the debt its accumulating, deficit this year, under 250 billion USD, economic growth, over 400billion USD. do the math. it's a blessing to be able to run a deficit like USA, not a curse. after the tech bubble burst in 2000, USA borrowed tremendously to prevent from going into a deep recession, which is why it was at record levels. now an extremely fast growing economy from tax cuts and a controlled weakening of the dollar to lower the deficit, great how USA can borrow at 1$ and repay at 60-80 cents. weaker dollar=good for exports, 'bad' for imports, good for debt payments. now if china would strengthen the yuan, that would be great.
theres really no need for these doomsday economic predictions for USA, we have a remarkable economy.
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ok, ill just take your word for it even without any proof. like i said dont forget that that money doesnt just dissapear. it goes back into the USA economy, most of it. it doesnt dissapear.
USA economy is growing faster than the debt its accumulating, deficit this year, under 250 billion USD, economic growth, over 400billion USD. do the math. it's a blessing to be able to run a deficit like USA, not a curse. after the tech bubble burst in 2000, USA borrowed tremendously to prevent from going into a deep recession, which is why it was at record levels. now an extremely fast growing economy from tax cuts and a controlled weakening of the dollar to lower the deficit, great how USA can borrow at 1$ and repay at 60-80 cents. weaker dollar=good for exports, 'bad' for imports, good for debt payments. now if china would strengthen the yuan, that would be great.
theres really no need for these doomsday economic predictions for USA, we have a remarkable economy.
You know nothing about economics.
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You'd also have to call Harvard and Columbia corrupted liberals. It was their research, after all. And, yahoo, reuters, Stanford, NPR, and others. ABC and Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph E Stiglitz have it at 2.6 Trillion.
It's not about liberal/conservative, boss. It's dollar and cents, and our childrens' futures.
ok, lets put the figure at 3 trillion, although way exagerated, doesnt matter. as long as the USA economy grows faster than the debt it accumulates. which it is and more than likely will contiunue to do so.
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You know nothing about economics.
ok. why, because it's not a bias misleading doomsday economic outlook,but factually accurate? enlighten me. what did i say that's untrue.
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ok, ill just take your word for it even without any proof. like i said dont forget that that money doesnt just dissapear. it goes back into the USA economy, most of it. it doesnt dissapear.
I'm sorry. This is untrue. Our borrowing is written against the contents of teh Federal Reserve- in essence, the US assets. We borrow this money from large banks who take promissory notes against US land. This is how it works.
We were on the edge of a financial collapse in mid-2001. The tech bubble burst 9 months earlier and there was no recovery. 9/11 actually saved our asses, believe it or not. Remember "we can defeat the terrorists by going out and spending!" from Bush? LOL...
Well, the defense budget got boosted (meaning the US pop proxied Congress approved add'l borrowing for war costs). Mfng/production spiked, 100,000-200,000 US forces were suddenly very employed. This helps our economy. War is GOOD for the economy, so as long as Congress keeps approving borrowing.
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I'm sorry. This is untrue. Our borrowing is written against the contents of teh Federal Reserve- in essence, the US assets. We borrow this money from large banks who take promissory notes against US land. This is how it works.
We were on the edge of a financial collapse in mid-2001. The tech bubble burst 9 months earlier and there was no recovery. 9/11 actually saved our asses, believe it or not. Remember "we can defeat the terrorists by going out and spending!" from Bush? LOL...
Well, the defense budget got boosted (meaning the US pop proxied Congress approved add'l borrowing for war costs). Mfng/production spiked, 100,000-200,000 US forces were suddenly very employed. This helps our economy. War is GOOD for the economy, so as long as Congress keeps approving borrowing.
yes,last 2 paragraphs i agree with. no argument.
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It is my belief that things are going to be very good up to election day.
OPEC announced a raise in oil prices starting Nov 1. This will take a week to affect things, so right after Nov 7 elections, Wed AM gas prices will start rising. (I predicted all this on getbig weeks ago). Gas prices will go back up. Shipping costs will go up as a result, as will mnfg. Stocks will fall (say goodbye to 12,000 DOW).
I could go on, but you get the point. I believe we're at a falsely inflated high, designed to boost repub numbers at the polls. Time will tell!
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Delusional,
Above I showed you evidence that our govt
1) had very good details about 9/11 attacks before they happened, and
2) had mid-Oct war dates planned with other nations several months before 9/11.
Do you now realize that, much like iraq, we are in there over a lie?
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Delusional,
Above I showed you evidence that our govt
1) had very good details about 9/11 attacks before they happened, and
2) had mid-Oct war dates planned with other nations several months before 9/11.
Do you now realize that, much like iraq, we are in there over a lie?
and i can show you evidence that the moon landing was fake. i don't care if afghanistan was a 'lie' or not, it was still the perfect target after 9/11. easy, effective, convincing.
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and i can show you evidence that the moon landing was fake. i don't care if afghanistan was a 'lie' or not, it was still the perfect target after 9/11. easy, effective, convincing.
Men died. American soldiers died.
Easy, effective, convincing - of what? For what?
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240,
All you've got from this smurf is drone rhetoric. He hasn't backed up a single thing he's posted other making ignorant arguements fit for a idiot. Anytime you provide any evidence he tries to discount it by saying it's from a liberal source.
I think even Mr I would call this guys delusional.
I think he actually thinks he will see some of this money we are making over there! Maybe he thinks he'll see it in a "Neo-Con Bonus Check" in the mail rewarding loyal drones!
His opinion about spreading American Imperialism is at least honest if not misguided and impractical.
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Men died. American soldiers died.
Easy, effective, convincing - of what? For what?
so if i understand correctly - you don't support waging war on enemies of USA? even after 9/11 which was a wake up call and the reason for changed foreign policy twords radical islam. yes, afghanistan was an easy target.
although you're delusional enough to insist 9/11 and afghanistan are a conspiracy so guess these points hold no ground with you.
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so if i understand correctly - you don't support waging war on enemies of USA? even after 9/11 which was a wake up call and the reason for changed foreign policy twords radical islam. yes, afghanistan was an easy target.
although you're delusional enough to insist 9/11 and afghanistan are a conspiracy so guess these points hold no ground with you.
I agree that we must fight terrorism, and wage war on those who attack us. We should do it by bringing justice to those responsible, then by tightening our borders and finding alternative fuel sources. But pre-emptively bombing those who don't like us, and losing 5 men a day, isn't the right way to do it.
Just because a country is "an easy target" doesn't mean we should bomb them.
You haven't addressed my points. Why would several govts announce in their newspapers BEFORE 9/11, that we'd be invading in mid-October?
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I agree that we must fight terrorism, and wage war on those who attack us. We should do it by bringing justice to those responsible, then by tightening our borders and finding alternative fuel sources. But pre-emptively bombing those who don't like us, and losing 5 men a day, isn't the right way to do it.
Just because a country is "an easy target" doesn't mean we should bomb them.
you make it seem as if we should have only gone after the people directly responsible for 9/11 or directly responsible for whatever attack, that's ridiculous. that's not 'waging war' as you put it, that's not 'fighting terrorism' that's apprehending criminals. this is a war against radical islam. afghanistan was full of radical islamists, our enemy, and again, and easy target therefore the perfect target, a completely justified war.
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You haven't addressed my points. Why would several govts announce in their newspapers BEFORE 9/11, that we'd be invading in mid-October?
why? i don't know, i don't even know if that's true. do you have a non CT source? still doesnt change anything i said.
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why? i don't know, i don't even know if that's true. do you have a non CT source? still doesnt change anything i said.
Is the BBC a CT source?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
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you make it seem as if we should have only gone after the people directly responsible for 9/11 or directly responsible for whatever attack, that's ridiculous. that's not 'waging war' as you put it, that's not 'fighting terrorism' that's apprehending criminals. this is a war against radical islam. afghanistan was full of radical islamists, our enemy, and again, and easy target therefore the perfect target, a completely justified war.
You're the first getbig member to be this completely neo-conservative and this completely honest about it. I feel you're justifying the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents, plus thousands of US Soldiers... but I respect your honesty!
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Is the BBC a CT source?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
thats a news source reporting a claim made by a pakistani diplomat who says usa was planning to invade afghan before 9/11, that's not 'governments reporting in their newspapers BEFORE 9/11 that we were going to invade afghanistan'
look at the date of that article, after 9/11.
not a government reporting
not before 9/11
any other sources??
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You're the first getbig member to be this completely neo-conservative and this completely honest about it. I feel you're justifying the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents, plus thousands of US Soldiers... but I respect your honesty!
Bravo! It's kind of refreshing isn't it. :)
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You're the first getbig member to be this completely neo-conservative and this completely honest about it. I feel you're justifying the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents, plus thousands of US Soldiers... but I respect your honesty!
soldiers exist to fight and protect our freedom. god bless them. ask a group of a 100 soldiers 1 by 1 'do you support killing radical islamists, people who wish to kill your fellow men women and children, your families, are you willing to risk your life to protect them?' i'd be willing to bet 95% of them would say yes, god bless our soldiers. your deaths are not in vain.
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http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10∓ctg=policy
India and Iran will "facilitate" the planned US-Russia hostilities against the Taliban.
India in anti-Taliban military plan
26 June 2001: India and Iran will "facilitate" US and Russian plans for "limited military action" against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don't bend Afghanistan's fundamentalist regime.
The Taliban controls 90 per cent of Afghanistan and is advancing northward along the Salang highway and preparing for a rear attack on the opposition Northern Alliance from Tajikistan-Afghanistan border positions.
Indian foreign secretary Chokila Iyer attended a crucial session of the second Indo-Russian joint working group on Afghanistan in Moscow amidst increase of Taliban's military activity near the Tajikistan border. And, Russia's Federal Security Bureau (the former KGB) chief Nicolai Patroshev is visiting Teheran this week in connection with Taliban's military build-up.
Now, you can argue this is a CT source (although I don't see it), but can you explain how they detailed the mid-October invasion in June?
(And if you want to REALLY stretch and say they were in on 911, tell me why we aren't invading India.)
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Delusional,
Are you a religious person?
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Delusional,
Are you a religious person?
i've heard he likes pina coladas.
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Delusional,
Are you a religious person?
no.
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no.
Okay.
We're of differing sides of the republican party, I think. I prefer an isolationist approach to solving the problems, it sounds like you might prefer the imperialist approach.
Your honesty and openness is refreshing. I think for at least the next two years, yours is the national policy we'll be employing, and probably something close to it afterwards.
I'm part of a growing group of former republicans who once supported the wars and voted for bush once or twice. After learning we were misled on the iraq war reasons, and after many of us have studied 911 and realized it was an inside job, we have lost our faith in our party. We don't like liberals, that's for damn sure. But we don't like neocons either.
I don't like your stance, but I'd die defending our country by your side to defend your right to say it.
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It seems to me we would be much safer by sealing our border, and putting just a fraction of all that money from the Iraq war into our ports and stuff here at home.
Whats stopping a terrorist from coming right in from Mexico and setting off any kind of bomb in a public place?
Killing all the Islamic Extremists in Iraq isn't going to work, there not just in Iraq, there everywhere, even here in our own country.
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It seems to me we would be much safer by sealing our border, and putting just a fraction of all that money from the Iraq war into our ports and stuff here at home.
Whats stopping a terrorist from coming right in from Mexico and setting off any kind of bomb in a public place?
stick to areas in which you have expertise . . . like bleaching your hair blonde.
J/k . . .too late to "seal" our borders . . . they're too long (as we wanted them to be), we have too many foreign elements in our country, and too many interests and commitments abroad . . . can't turn back the clock.
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Dangit 240,... Now I'm always wonderin if the new guy is wearing a uniform.... Thanks a lot for posting that info >:( ;D
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stick to areas in which you have expertise . . . like bleaching your hair blonde.
HAHAHAHAHAH, I forgot I made that thread for a second and was thinking HOW THE HELL DOES HE KNOW???
You don't think even a quarter of the troops we have in Iraq could seal our border?
For the record I love all the Radical Islamists getting killed in Iraq just as much as George W but it's not helping IMO.
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Dangit 240,... Now I'm always wonderin if the new guy is wearing a uniform.... Thanks a lot for posting that info >:( ;D
There are govt employees visitng message boards now to put across what they call "correct" information, and that is fine. It's much like putting a govt employee handing out party brochures at peace rallies. It's just an info exchange/debate here.
Delusional is funny because he's completely honest. He doesn't try to justify the lies that got us into iraq or Afghan. US domination of the world is his thing. And that's fine.
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soldiers exist to fight and protect our freedom.
Agreed
god bless them.
Agreed
ask a group of a 100 soldiers 1 by 1 'do you support killing radical islamists, people who wish to kill your fellow men women and children, your families, are you willing to risk your life to protect them?' i'd be willing to bet 95% of them would say yes,
Agreed, ...when you pose the question like that.
HOWEVER, ask those same soldiers 'do you support invading another country because they as a sovereign nation chose to grant a lucrative contract to build a pipeline through their country to an Argentinian company who came in with a less expensive bid, are you willing to risk your life, deprive your family, and risk your limbs, your life, potential paralysis in order that a domestic firm can build a pipeline, for the sake of corporate profits?' I'd be willing to bet 95% of them would say no.
There is a school of thought that believes THAT was the reason for the invasion, and 911 was the excuse.
god bless our soldiers.
Agreed
your deaths are not in vain.
Considering Congressman Bill Frist (R - TN) is now calling for the Taliban to be welcomed into the government of Afghanistan (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=99351.0) ...I doubt I can agree with that.
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For the record I love all the Radical Islamists getting killed in Iraq just as much as George W but it's not helping IMO.
attrition works . . .
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For the record I love all the Radical Islamists getting killed in Iraq just as much as George W but it's not helping IMO.
True that. For anyone who calls me a liberal, I would happily pull the trigger on osama, KSM, and any other actual terrorists you put in front of me. i'd mow down ten of them, then have a ham sandwich.
Some folks don't realize it's possible to be strong on nat'l defense, but at the same time not blindly support any war bush fancies.
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HOWEVER, ask those same soldiers 'do you support invading another country because they as a sovereign nation chose to grant a lucrative contract to build a pipeline through their country to an Argentinian company who came in with a less expensive bid, are you willing to risk your life, deprive your family, and risk your limbs, your life, potential paralysis in order that a domestic firm can build a pipeline, for the sake of corporate profits?' I'd be willing to bet 95% of them would say no.
There is a school of thought that believes THAT was the reason for the invasion, and 911 was the excuse.
Jag, I would like to challenge anyone here to prove you wrong on the Argentina oil connection. They cannot.
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Agreed
Agreed
Agreed, ...when you pose the question like that.
HOWEVER, ask those same soldiers 'do you support invading another country because they as a sovereign nation chose to grant a lucrative contract to build a pipeline through their country to an Argentinian company who came in with a less expensive bid, are you willing to risk your life, deprive your family, and risk your limbs, your life, potential paralysis in order that a domestic firm can build a pipeline, for the sake of corporate profits?' I'd be willing to bet 95% of them would say no.
There is a school of thought that believes THAT was the reason for the invasion, and 911 was the excuse.
Agreed
Considering Congressman Bill Frist (R - TN) is now calling for the Taliban to be welcomed into the government of Afghanistan (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=99351.0) ...I doubt I can agree with that.
you're canadian . . . what you think is completely irrelevant.
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Agreed
Agreed
Agreed, ...when you pose the question like that.
HOWEVER, ask those same soldiers 'do you support invading another country because they as a sovereign nation chose to grant a lucrative contract to build a pipeline through their country to an Argentinian company who came in with a less expensive bid, are you willing to risk your life, deprive your family, and risk your limbs, your life, potential paralysis in order that a domestic firm can build a pipeline, for the sake of corporate profits?' I'd be willing to bet 95% of them would say no.
There is a school of thought that believes THAT was the reason for the invasion, and 911 was the excuse.
Agreed
Considering Congressman Bill Frist (R - TN) is now calling for the Taliban to be welcomed into the government of Afghanistan (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=99351.0) ...I doubt I can agree with that.
interesting jags
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There are govt employees visitng message boards now to put across what they call "correct" information, and that is fine. It's much like putting a govt employee handing out party brochures at peace rallies. It's just an info exchange/debate here.
Delusional is funny because he's completely honest. He doesn't try to justify the lies that got us into iraq or Afghan. US domination of the world is his thing. And that's fine.
That's the kind of honesty that will put your country back on the right path. Lord knows I don't agree with him, ...but his honesty, and lack of delusions with regards to the real agenda (to an extent) almost brings a tear to your eyes. {lol}
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I would honestly rather have a person (or politician) say "We want to invade these 4 countries, manage their resources and put in military bases, and kill about a milllion of their people total." instead, we get false-flag attacks and changing stories about WMD/ liberation/ sowing seeds of democracy.
Not that I'd support that belief, but I would respect it.
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Jag, I would like to challenge anyone here to prove you wrong on the Argentina oil connection. They cannot.
Gee 240, ...how nice of you to challenge people to challenge me. ::)
...I mean...it's not like I don't have enough stalkers and cowardly harassers in this forum {lol}
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LOL... okay, challenge that statement.
It's funny how some people will argue for hours about how a radio DJ insulted someoen or how waterboarding is/isn't torture, but will completely refuse to address major things, like the US/Taliban 2001 oil negotiations/threats.
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There are govt employees visitng message boards now to put across what they call "correct" information, and that is fine. It's much like putting a govt employee handing out party brochures at peace rallies. It's just an info exchange/debate here.
Delusional is funny because he's completely honest. He doesn't try to justify the lies that got us into iraq or Afghan. US domination of the world is his thing. And that's fine.
Hey... Are you delusional ??? ;D
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nope. I would have come up with a better screen name.
Like "W".
:)
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HAHAHAHAHAH, I forgot I made that thread for a second and was thinking HOW THE HELL DOES HE KNOW???
You don't think even a quarter of the troops we have in Iraq could seal our border?
For the record I love the fact that all the Radical Islamists are getting killed in Iraq just as much as George W but it's not helping IMO.
:o :o Dude, you better be careful what you type! I know you didn't mean it, so I corrected it for you :)
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tanks i aint got no learnin ;D
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well, she ain't got none either:
For the record I love the fact that all the Radical Islamists are getting killed in Iraq just as much as George W but it's not helping IMO.
had to save this "Correction" for posterity . . . lmao.
Jag, be honest, you never went to college, did you?
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tanks i aint got no learnin ;D
US education? ;) (You set that up too well for me to be able to resist delivering the punchline) ;D
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:o :o Dude, you better be careful what you type! I know you didn't mean it, so I corrected it for you :)
oHHHH.... ahaha.... yea, not good.... It's like, oh shit, did I just say... :-X
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LOL... okay, challenge that statement.
It's funny how some people will argue for hours about how a radio DJ insulted someoen or how waterboarding is/isn't torture, but will completely refuse to address major things, like the US/Taliban 2001 oil negotiations/threats.
It could be that possibly they are not aware of it. Historically, Americans in general rarely keep up with foreign policy, or even care to know about it. The only time they start looking at the decisions of huge multi-national corps. is when those decisions they make, or the decisions their government makes on behalf of multi-nationals impacts their lives negatively. In this case, their was a rush to action, and a call for bloodlust, and the fighting was going on before the knowledge had a chance to trickle down to Joe lunchbox.
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Jag, I would like to challenge anyone here to prove you wrong on the Argentina oil connection. They cannot.
::)
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Gee 240, ...how nice of you to challenge people to challenge me. ::)
...I mean...it's not like I don't have enough stalkers and cowardly harassers in this forum {lol}
::) ::)
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LOL... okay, challenge that statement.
It's funny how some people will argue for hours about how a radio DJ insulted someoen or how waterboarding is/isn't torture, but will completely refuse to address major things, like the US/Taliban 2001 oil negotiations/threats.
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