well brit soldier just admitted on the news that they were trespassing..

[ribonucleic]

Its not...take the jet thing..can't just fire one up..if its not ready, its not ready..Maybe 30 minutes for a fighter aircraft if it were prepo'd it takes hours to get a bomber ready..

Seymour Hirsch - who's been right about everything else in this debacle - says that the Pentagon has been told to prepare plans in which Iran can be struck within 24 hours of getting King George's say-so.

And that would finally get Gonzales off the front page, wouldn't it. 

Until now I've assumed that Israel might be told to launch the first strike - as "self-defense" against Iran's nuclear program, of course. Then we can go in and "support our ally", yada yada yada....

But maybe the fate of those brave British spies... sorry, I meant "soldiers"  will be the way they choose to play the bullshit card.

[militarymuscle69]

Seymour Hirsch - who's been right about everything else in this debacle - says that the Pentagon has been told to prepare plans in which Iran can be struck within 24 hours of getting King George's say-so.

And that would finally get Gonzales off the front page, wouldn't it. 

Until now I've assumed that Israel might be told to launch the first strike - as "self-defense" against Iran's nuclear program, of course. Then we can go in and "support our ally", yada yada yada....

But maybe the fate of those brave British spies... sorry, I meant "soldiers"  will be the way they choose to play the bullshit card.

Ribo, don't tell me you didn't get the memo...Gonzales fired the prosecuters because Bush knew it would raise a stink. During that stink he could plan to attack Iran while people were distracted. As added bonus, he promised the brit soldiers a stake in the Iran oil if they agreed to be captured so that he would have a valid reason to attack Iran....Gonzales gets a stake in the oil also...I know you were on the Alex Jones mailing list...

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Ribo, don't tell me you didn't get the memo...Gonzales fired the prosecuters because Bush knew it would raise a stink. During that stink he could plan to attack Iran while people were distracted. As added bonus, he promised the brit soldiers a stake in the Iran oil if they agreed to be captured so that he would have a valid reason to attack Iran....Gonzales gets a stake in the oil also...I know you were on the Alex Jones mailing list...

Ignoring that nonsense...

You're not mentioning the fact that many of the members here have been saying that march 28 date for 12 weeks now.

Here we are on March 28 and while shit hasn't hit the fan, it's damn close.  Suppose the crazy CT nuts are able to predict the attacks by a day or two, THREE MONTHS in advance.  You'd have to admit at the very least, the white house saying there are no attack plans or dates, would look like some liars.

[youandme]

Before the video was broadcast, a spokesman for British Prime Minister Tony Blair said any showing of British personnel on TV would be a breach of the Geneva Conventions.

I know it's not Iraq but the Geneva Conventions are only for British and US soldiers, allies?

[militarymuscle69]

Ignoring that nonsense...

You're not mentioning the fact that many of the members here have been saying that march 28 date for 12 weeks now.

Here we are on March 28 and while shit hasn't hit the fan, it's damn close.  Suppose the crazy CT nuts are able to predict the attacks by a day or two, THREE MONTHS in advance.  You'd have to admit at the very least, the white house saying there are no attack plans or dates, would look like some liars.

Do you believe everything that Nostradamus predicted? Alot of people call it coincedence...maybe if an attack happens prior to midnight it could be coincedence?

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Do you believe everything that Nostradamus predicted? Alot of people call it coincedence...maybe if an attack happens prior to midnight it could be coincedence?

I don't know much about nostradamus.  I am a strong believer in fate - our checkout date is determined when we're born, we're here for a purpose, we have free will but it's still all predetermined in its own chaotic way. 

As ar as iran, that's predetermined by energy analysts.  They tell the powers that be what day the US will run outta gas, and we plans wars accordingly.  Simple as that.

[Cavalier22]

i don't believe in fate

[rockyfortune]

Unfortunately man, Ft. Leonard Wood

living there was comparable to being sent to alcatraz...one of the most depressing places i've been.

[militarymuscle69]

living there was comparable to being sent to alcatraz...one of the most depressing places i've been.

thanks for the reminder!! at least land is cheap. I bought a 3 br 2 bth 10 acres for 98Gs

[militarymuscle69]

I'm glad these 2 sailors that have "admitted" to being in Iranian waters aren't American. They would be violating the code of conduct by talking, and oh boy that would mean hot water if ever released.

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I'm glad these 2 sailors that have "admitted" to being in Iranian waters aren't American. They would be violating the code of conduct by talking, and oh boy that would mean hot water if ever released.

wait - if an American soldier talks on camera while being held captive, he gets in trouble when he gets home?

I know the old "name, rank, serial" then zip your lip when captured.  But these guys could be mistreated, threatened, drugged, etc... Do they really prosecute guys who talk under capture?

[militarymuscle69]

wait - if an American soldier talks on camera while being held captive, he gets in trouble when he gets home?

I know the old "name, rank, serial" then zip your lip when captured.  But these guys could be mistreated, threatened, drugged, etc... Do they really prosecute guys who talk under capture?

It depends on what they are talking about. But yes if an American was on there admitting to being in Iranian waters it would probably be viewed that the prisoner was trying to work a deal to hasten his release. Article 5 of the Code of Conduct states that "I will make no oral or written statements that are disloyal to my country or it's allies of the are harmful to their cause".

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It depends on what they are talking about. But yes if an American was on there admitting to being in Iranian waters it would probably be viewed that the prisoner was trying to work a deal to hasten his release. Article 5 of the Code of Conduct states that "I will make no oral or written statements that are disloyal to my country or it's allies of the are harmful to their cause".

Do they hold soldiers to that standard if they are being coerced in any way?

If you were faced with torture, starvation, and having your genitals and fingers sliced off one by one, would you give up your mission/position info?

[militarymuscle69]

Do they hold soldiers to that standard if they are being coerced in any way?

If you were faced with torture, starvation, and having your genitals and fingers sliced off one by one, would you give up your mission/position info?

I wouldn't, the 6 articles of the code of conduct make it clear you dont' do that under any circumstances. If they were cutting off my fingers, and I say "ok they are going to attack at 0600 on the 1st" and then they release me, I will be put for a trial upon my return and face death. I would rather die in captivity as a war hero than to die in America as a treasonist.

Article 1: I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

Article 2: I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

Article 3: If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy

Article 4: If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

Article 5: see last post

Article 6: I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

John McCain and his fellow prisoners have talked extensively on how these articles enabled them to keep hope during Vietnam

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Damn.  I had no idea that the US would put you to death for info you give up while being tortured. 

Wow. 

[militarymuscle69]

Damn.  I had no idea that the US would put you to death for info you give up while being tortured. 

Wow. 

For sure man, and these articles have been around since Eisenhower enacted them in 1955 so don't try and blame it on Bush!

[freespirit]

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If they caught 15 Iranians floating 12 miles off of the USA coast, I bet a lot of getbiggers (and americans in general) would want them executed.

[Tre]

wait - if an American soldier talks on camera while being held captive, he gets in trouble when he gets home?

I know the old "name, rank, serial" then zip your lip when captured.  But these guys could be mistreated, threatened, drugged, etc... Do they really prosecute guys who talk under capture?

Only if they tell the truth.

[Tre]

Damn.  I had no idea that the US would put you to death for info you give up while being tortured. 

Wow. 

When recruits go through boot camp, they're taught all that stuff, but when the torture question is asked, commissioned officers in leadership positions will give a different response: "We understand that people can be made to say certain things as a result of coercion. You are required, however, to do whatever you can to avoid ever being in that situation."

 

[militarymuscle69]

If they caught 15 Iranians floating 12 miles off of the USA coast, I bet a lot of getbiggers (and americans in general) would want them executed.

oh come on 240, executed? waterboarded maybe....any Family guy fans on here? The episode where Lois was teaching Chris about dating women and she had him standing in the tub of water. She asked him to name the women on sex and the city and he said the fourth one was Scrappy Doo! LMAO, so she had some dude electricute him!!! Lets do that to prisoners...

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oh come on 240, executed? waterboarded maybe

the iranians above are holding up a sign calling for execution.  You know that if danny boniduche is ready to hang an american for asking a physics question, he'd support hanging 15 nosy iranians.

[militarymuscle69]

the iranians above are holding up a sign calling for execution.  You know that if danny boniduche is ready to hang an american for asking a physics question, he'd support hanging 15 nosy iranians.

yeah but Bonaduce is a crack head...no really he is...

[24KT]

yeah but Bonaduce is a crack head...no really he is...

It took long enough, ...but we finally found something we can mutually agree on.