original pic of yates

[NeoSeminole]

ND, I couldn't help but notice that you, as do I and many others, referenced where the lats insert.  Self professed intellectual Neo claims that such a term is completely foreign to the bodybuilding community. Instead, we should reference the lat "origins"  If Neo says it, it has to be right. lol

ha ha ha, I owned your ass in the other thread. So you scurry here and continue to post more of the same bullshit. You also have to resort to lying in order to make me look wrong. How lame. Show me where I said the term "lat insertions" is foreign to the bodybuilding community. If you fail to provide evidence, then you forever seal your reputation on Getbig as a liar.

[NeoSeminole]

lol,  Neo=owned again.

Neo thinks changing bed pans makes him a part of the medical profession. lol

who said anything about bed pans? I'm a personal trainer who is starting physician assistant school next year. I've never changed a bed pan in my life and probably never will.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, I owned your ass in the other thread. So you scurry here and continue to post more of the same bullshit. You also have to resort to lying in order to make me look wrong. How lame. Show me where I said the term "lat insertions" is foreign to the bodybuilding community. If you fail to provide evidence, then you forever seal your reputation on Getbig as a liar.

You already cemented your GetBig rep as a liar when you manipulated quotes 

[NeoSeminole]

You already cemented your GetBig rep as a liar when you manipulated quotes

oh please, you're a liar too like your fellow guy. Show me where I manipulated quotes.

[MattT]

Dorian Who??
 

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh please, you're a liar too like your fellow guy. Show me where I manipulated quotes.

Done

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable.

you posted this and omitted the quote in it's entirety for a very specific reason , this is the whole quote

Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.

clear case of deception , there are other examples this was the quickest one available. you're a liar and a hypocrite for saying others are.

[Mr.1derful]

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.

Do you try and contradict yourself Neo, or are you merely that absent minded?   Also, keep in mind that it was you who challenged me to provide quotes referring to where the lats insert.  I obliged with one from senior writer Shawn Perine of Flex magazine, as did ND, who provided a quote from Dave Draper's book. Did you happen to note the quote from your hero Ronnie's "Ask Mr. Olympia" section on Flex Online?  Oh, I forgot, you only accept his quotes when they are in support of your position. Kind of like when Ronnie declares that he could never defeat Dorian.  By making the challenge, you were asserting that such a reference is not used within the industry.  Evidently, you are very wrong, as usual.  I'm quite certain you should be getting used to it by now, however. 

[NeoSeminole]

Done

again, show me where I manipulated anything. I didn't change the wording or the meaning of the quote.

[NeoSeminole]

Do you try and contradict yourself Neo, or are you merely that absent minded? Also, keep in mind that it was you who challenged me to provide quotes referring to where the lats insert.  I obliged with one from senior writer Shawn Perine of Flex magazine, as did ND, who provided a quote from Dave Draper's book. Did you happen to note the quote from your hero Ronnie's "Ask Mr. Olympia" section on Flex Online?  Oh, I forgot, you only accept his quotes when they are in support of your position. Kind of like when Ronnie declares that he could never defeat Dorian.  By making the challenge, you were asserting that such a reference is not used within the industry.  Evidently, you are very wrong, as usual.  I'm quite certain you should be getting used to it by now, however.

so you concede that you're a liar since you failed to show where I said "lat insertions" is foreign to the bodybuilding community? Very well then, there's no need for me to address your post. It's probably full of lies.

[sculpture]

Thanks for playing

why is one side of his back bigger than the other???

[NarcissisticDeity]

again, show me where I manipulated anything. I didn't change the wording or the meaning of the quote.

You did change the wording , you took the quote out of it's context and did it deliberately to try and convey the point that Ronnie was untouchable which the person was saying isn't true. You were being deceptive it's not the first time either. you tried it with the Dorian Yates quote

your version

" Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me "

actual version

" Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me , I guess I don't know. "

You tried to pass that off as a definitive answer when it was anything but especially when he says " I guess , I don't know. " these are just two quick example of your deception

you're a hypocrite and a liar yourself , I fully expected you to play word games.  you have no integrity I didn't expect as much seeing you're being deceptive anyway.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.

Do you try and contradict yourself Neo, or are you merely that absent minded?   Also, keep in mind that it was you who challenged me to provide quotes referring to where the lats insert.  I obliged with one from senior writer Shawn Perine of Flex magazine, as did ND, who provided a quote from Dave Draper's book. Did you happen to note the quote from your hero Ronnie's "Ask Mr. Olympia" section on Flex Online?  Oh, I forgot, you only accept his quotes when they are in support of your position. Kind of like when Ronnie declares that he could never defeat Dorian.  By making the challenge, you were asserting that such a reference is not used within the industry.  Evidently, you are very wrong, as usual.  I'm quite certain you should be getting used to it by now, however. 

Another blatant contradiction by Neo , his typical move when exposed to to A) play word games and or B) not respond , textbook Neo ignorant as the day is long.

[NeoSeminole]

You did change the wording , you took the quote out of it's context and did it deliberately to try and convey the point that Ronnie was untouchable which the person was saying isn't true. You were being deceptive it's not the first time either. you tried it with the Dorian Yates quote

ha ha ha, how did I take the quote out of its context? Shawn Perine specifically calls Ronnie untouchable. He mentions Dorian as a contender but doesn't regard him as Ronnie's equal. So the quote I used still retains its meaning.

your version

"Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me "

actual version

"Dorian PBW the judges would probably choose Ronnie over me , I guess I don't know. "

You tried to pass that off as a definitive answer when it was anything but especially when he says " I guess , I don't know. " these are just two quick example of your deception

yawn, did Dorian say the judges would choose Ronnie over him? Yes. Did he say the judges would choose him over Ronnie? No. Even if he later said "I guess I don't know," the fact remains he believed Ronnie would beat him in a contest.

you're a hypocrite and a liar yourself , I fully expected you to play word games.  you have no integrity I didn't expect as much seeing you're being deceptive anyway.

I'm still waiting for you to show how I manipulated quotes.

[NeoSeminole]

Another blatant contradiction by Neo , his typical move when exposed to to A) play word games and or B) not respond , textbook Neo ignorant as the day is long.

explain how I contradicted myself. Last time I checked, a muscle "attachment" can refer to an origin or insertion point. Educate yourself next time before banding together with other idiots in making fools of yourselves.

[Mr.1derful]

explain how I contradicted myself. Last time I checked, a muscle "attachment" can refer to an origin or insertion point. Educate yourself next time before banding together with other idiots in making fools of yourselves.

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.

In addition to being illiterate, you're also color blind. 

[NeoSeminole]

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 10, 2008, 09:06:07 PM
Third, I don't refer to them as "lat origins." I say a person's lats "attach low," which is the usage I've frequently seen.

Quote from: NeoSeminole on December 01, 2008, 10:43:26 PM
By the way, you meant to say his lats originate - not insert- lower. For someone who tries to come across as intelligent, you should at least educate yourself about anatomy terminology before judging physiques.

Evidently, in addition to being illiterate, you're also blind.

yeah? I'm looking. Show me where I contradicted myself.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ha ha ha, how did I take the quote out of its context? Shawn Perine specifically calls Ronnie untouchable. He mentions Dorian as a contender but doesn't regard him as Ronnie's equal. So the quote I used still retains its meaning.

yawn, did Dorian say the judges would choose Ronnie over him? Yes. Did he say the judges would choose him over Ronnie? No. Even if he later said "I guess I don't know," the fact remains he believed Ronnie would beat him in a contest.

I'm still waiting for you to show how I manipulated quotes.

ha ha ha, how did I take the quote out of its context? Shawn Perine specifically calls Ronnie untouchable. He mentions Dorian as a contender but doesn't regard him as Ronnie's equal. So the quote I used still retains its meaning.

I love how you're now forced to speculate on what he was thinking , you omitted that part of the quote for a specific reason , that's deception and it's clear cut Ronnie is untouchable EXCEPT by Dorian Yates exception to the rule , I expected you to resort to try an play with words and you're so predictable

yawn, did Dorian say the judges would choose Ronnie over him? Yes. Did he say the judges would choose him over Ronnie? No. Even if he later said "I guess I don't know," the fact remains he believed Ronnie would beat him in a contest.

you he didn't he said probably that's not definitive and not accurate , he doesn't know what the judges would do , hence I don't know , another clear and pathetic attempt at toying with words and omitting part of the quote , deception again

I'm still waiting for you to show how I manipulated quotes.

your nonsense is boring you have no integrity , in the end you played yourself.

[NeoSeminole]

I love how you're now forced to speculate on what he was thinking , you omitted that part of the quote for a specific reason , that's deception and it's clear cut Ronnie is untouchable EXCEPT by Dorian Yates exception to the rule , I expected you to resort to try an play with words and you're so predictable

I'm not speculating anything. Shawn Perine explicitly says a prime Ronnie is untouchable. He then mentions Dorian as an exception to this. However, he never states that Dorian is Ronnie's equal.

you he didn't he said probably that's not definitive and not accurate , he doesn't know what the judges would do , hence I don't know , another clear and pathetic attempt at toying with words and omitting part of the quote , deception again

answer with "yes" or "no"

did Dorian ever say the judges would pick Ronnie?
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick him?

therein lies your answer.

your nonsense is boring you have no integrity , in the end you played yourself.

yawn, defending lies with more lies only makes you look even dumber than you already are.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm not speculating anything. Shawn Perine explicitly says a prime Ronnie is untouchable. He then mentions Dorian as an exception to this. However, he never states that Dorian is Ronnie's equal.

answer with "yes" or "no"

did Dorian ever say the judges would pick Ronnie?
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick him?

therein lies your answer.

yawn, defending lies with more lies only makes you look even dumber than you already are.

I'm not speculating anything. Shawn Perine explicitly says a prime Ronnie is untouchable. He then mentions Dorian as an exception to this. However, he never states that Dorian is Ronnie's equal.

So your response is to yet again try and play with words , he never states Ronnie is his superior either. Ronnie is untouchable with the exception of Dorian , there for he's touchable by Dorian Yates it has nothing to being ' equals '

the fact is you omitted this part to make it appear Ronnie is untouchable it's inaccurate and deceptive and you did it deliberately and when exposed you try everything in your power to run from this fact , you did it with other quotes as well , and the original points stands you're a liar for taking posts out of context

answer with "yes" or "no"

did Dorian ever say the judges would pick Ronnie?
did Dorian ever say the judges would pick him?

therein lies your answer.

 Again hyperfocusing on the words instead of what you attempted to do which is omit a part which you clearly did specifically , we're not talking about the quote , we're talking about how you attempted to manipulate in your favor

that's 2 examples of you taking quotes out of context and the original point stands , you have nerve calling anyone a liar

yawn, defending lies with more lies only makes you look even dumber than you already are.

you have no integrity kid that's among the worse insults I can pay you

[NeoSeminole]

So your response is to yet again try and play with words , he never states Ronnie is his superior either. Ronnie is untouchable with the exception of Dorian , there for he's touchable by Dorian Yates it has nothing to being ' equals '

oh gee, I haven't seen that sorry excuse before.

fact: Shawn Perine calls Ronnie untouchable.
fact: he never says Dorian was equal to Ronnie.

hope this helps.

the fact is you omitted this part to make it appear Ronnie is untouchable it's inaccurate and deceptive and you did it deliberately and when exposed you try everything in your power to run from this fact , you did it with other quotes as well , and the original points stands you're a liar for taking posts out of context

don't presume to speak for me. I left the rest of the quote out b/c it was irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't have to resort to cheap tricks to make a point.

Again hyperfocusing on the words instead of what you attempted to do which is omit a part which you clearly did specifically , we're not talking about the quote , we're talking about how you attempted to manipulate in your favor

I didn't ask for an explanation, idiot. "Yes" or "no?"

you have no integrity kid that's among the worse insults I can pay you

says the person who is a hypocrite and a liar.

[NarcissisticDeity]

oh gee, I haven't seen that sorry excuse before.

fact: Shawn Perine calls Ronnie untouchable.
fact: he never says Dorian was equal to Ronnie.

hope this helps.


don't presume to speak for me. I left the rest of the quote out b/c it was irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't have to resort to cheap tricks to make a point.

I didn't ask for an explanation, idiot. "Yes" or "no?"

says the person who is a hypocrite and a liar.

oh gee, I haven't seen that sorry excuse before.

fact: Shawn Perine calls Ronnie untouchable.
fact: he never says Dorian was equal to Ronnie.

hope this helps.

I don't need excuses you do.

fact Shawn calls Ronnie untouchable EXCEPT by Dorian Yates you're trying still desperately to omit this part because it shuts you down .  Now according to that quote Ronnie is untouchable when it comes to everyone with the exception of Dorian Yates , you omitted this fact to try and pass the quote off out of context thus stating Ronnie is indeed untouchable to everyone . that's deception a form of lying which you're still trying to do

fact he never says he's Ronnie equal? he never says ANYTHING about equality ( directly that is ) this is you trying add this on your own , he never says Ronnie is taller , he never says a lot of things , he never says Ronnie is his superior  it's pathetic the lengths you're trying to go to get out of the simple fact that you were exposed for omitting parts of the quotes

and entertaining your stupidity the fact he says that Ronnie is untouchable by anyone EXCEPT Dorian Yates by default makes him an equal , he never says Dorian is his superior or inferior , he just says he's capable of touching Ronnie at that bare minimum that makes his an equal , so you're fucked either way 

don't presume to speak for me. I left the rest of the quote out b/c it was irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't have to resort to cheap tricks to make a point.

It's not irrelevant it's very relevant to the topic you posted the quote in a series of them as proof that Ronnie was better than Dorian , you omitted the fact that the person who you're quoting feels that Ronnie is untouchable with the exception of Dorian , you just tried to pass it off as he's just ' untouchable ' which isn't accurate and very relevant to the context in which you were posting it as proof

and I really laughed out loud when you typed you don't have to resort to cheap tricks lol classic bullshit , especially when you're clearly busted using cheap tricks by omitting part of the quotes and then trying in a feeble attempt to bog down your exposure for doing so with semantics , typical Neo with his back against the wall

I didn't ask for an explanation, idiot. "Yes" or "no?"

says the person who is a hypocrite and a liar.

again you have no integrity kid , you're busted that's the bottom line no amount of game playing and denial can save you we both know you took at least two quotes out of context to try and support your claim and there is a third quote as well but I could care less , your denial was predictable as was your semantics , in the end I proved both my points

you're a hypocrite for calling someone else a liar and you were deceptive by taking at least three quotes out of context to prove your point.