Muscle Soreness Needed?

[big L dawg]

another thing that cracks me up is when someone says I've been workin out so long I don't get sore anymore.or I'm in such good shape I don't get sore.haha funny stuff.

[Fatpanda]

I can't access the study in bold at the moment. I'll need to see if I can get it somewhere else. The author here seems to be saying that necrosis does not cause DOMS and in turn, therefore prostaglandins can't be involved if I'm reading correctly? I'm not sure how this conclusion was drawn, as the presence of prostaglandins does not always mean necrosis.

no no no, it says nothing about prostaglandins, it says there is no inflammation responce with doms, if there is no inflammation then there can't be prostagladins, because one of the effects of prostaglandins is inflammation.

did anyone read my post ?

[burn2live]

no no no, it says nothing about prostaglandins, it says there is no inflammation responce with doms, if there is no inflammation then there can't be prostagladins, because one of the effects of prostaglandins is inflammation.

did anyone read my post ?

Sorry, my bad. I see what you mean now...I'm really interested in this now. Going to read a few review articles tonight and see what I can make of it all. Thanks for the info man

[tbombz]

By that reasoning then if pge2 is present in DOMS then it's counterproductive in terms of muscle-building to induce DOMS?

well. pge2 would eb the counter regulatory prostaglandin to pgf2a.  i believe that after exercise yoru muscles produce pgf2a to make sure th muscle adapts to the load just put on it. and it releases pge2 at the same time t sorter of "moniot" or "keep in chekc" the anabolic/lipolytic pgf2a.  so if pge2 is what causes doms, then doms is a sign that pgf2a has been released. thus, doms would be VERY procutive, since pgf2a is a very beneficial prostaglandin and has great effects of body composition.   

[Vince B]

If you want to grow as rapidly as possible without drugs or supplements then by all means train for a week making sure you hurt like hell. You'll be bigger, how much of that is due to actual hypertrophy and not an inflammatory response is debatable. Train consistently like that for months and years without drugs or supplements and you will quickly plateau and will have grown much less than someone else who trains smarter.

Read the research. You can't dismiss the increase in size as mere inflammation.

Why would one quickly plateau if training to keep one quite sore? That is not my experience. How about experimenting with yourself on one muscle group such as biceps and triceps and see if that happens. Most trainees cannot induce DOMS in their biceps. If you could induce DOMS with each and every workout then imagine how rapidly you could grow. I grew an inch on my arms in one month using this method. I couldn't get the biceps sore but the triceps responded when I did the right exercise. I also put about 1 1/4 inches on my calves in a month. This was when I was 56 years old. Who knows what the limits are?

Whoever grows the most in a short period of time is the smartest trainee. I swear the concepts in bodybuilding are believed like people believe religions. Results are what should make believers, not armchair bodybuilding. Ooops, I forgot, everyone is an expert on the internet and in every serious gym.