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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2009, 04:13:18 PM »

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #101 on: April 27, 2009, 04:18:44 PM »
It's an airborne virus with Ebola like traits that we must worry about.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #102 on: April 27, 2009, 05:20:54 PM »
I'm starting to think this might be just another bullshit scare to get everyone to take their flu shots.  I guess this has been going for a while in Mexico so I have to ask, are the number of deaths anything unusual for the flu? The age group affected is for sure, it's opposite the normal flu killing younger people. No telling how many have been infected in Mexico and gotten over it so the number might not be as bad as they're making it sound.  I know they love to scare the shit out of people to get everyone lining up for flu shots.  My favorite laughable tactic they've used is to announce they're running out of flu shots and they might not have any left after this week, then next week they say we have more so come on down and then next week they say we're running out again, if you don't come down today, you're fucked lol...

We really need to get you your yearly dose of mercury, come on down!  Think you're sick, lets you swabbed, we won't catalog your DNA lol...
I just got done watching a doctor on Lou Dobbs.  He was talking about the good timing of this.  Said that it's hitting at the end of the flu season here so it will die down but it'll come back much bigger in the fall, the good news, they'll have several months to get vaccinations mass produced for ya all... lol...  They're scaring the shit out of people now so you'll all line up in the fall.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #103 on: April 27, 2009, 07:00:25 PM »
I'm starting to think this might be just another bullshit scare to get everyone to take their flu shots.  I guess this has been going for a while in Mexico so I have to ask, are the number of deaths anything unusual for the flu? The age group affected is for sure, it's opposite the normal flu killing younger people. No telling how many have been infected in Mexico and gotten over it so the number might not be as bad as they're making it sound.  I know they love to scare the shit out of people to get everyone lining up for flu shots.  My favorite laughable tactic they've used is to announce they're running out of flu shots and they might not have any left after this week, then next week they say we have more so come on down and then next week they say we're running out again, if you don't come down today, you're fucked lol...

We really need to get you your yearly dose of mercury, come on down!  Think you're sick, lets you swabbed, we won't catalog your DNA lol...

What I find most unusual about this flu is that it contradicts what I know about most viral strains, and that is the flu virus cannot live in the heat or warm climate. It can live in cool or cold air, but not hot or even warm weather... which is why you find most flu season happen October-December...  not only is it cooler & the virus can survive, its coupled with peoples immunity being down with of the lack of exposure during spring & summer months. Rarely do you see the flu going around in late winter, early spring either because by that time, most people are immune having been exposed all fall/winter long.

It is going on MAY now, and the temps here in NYC are in the mid 80s for the last week... yet people here are catching it... closing schools etc.

How did this bug survive in Mexico? Are there currently any known flu strains that can survive a hot climate  ???

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #104 on: April 27, 2009, 07:10:36 PM »
What I find most unusual about this flu is that it contradicts what I know about most viral strains, and that is the flu virus cannot live in the heat or warm climate. It can live in cool or cold air, but not hot or even warm weather... which is why you find most flu season happen October-December...  not only is it cooler & the virus can survive, its coupled with peoples immunity being down with of the lack of exposure during spring & summer months. Rarely do you see the flu going around in late winter, early spring either because by that time, most people are immune having been exposed all fall/winter long.

How did this bug survive in Mexico? Are there currently any known flu strains that can survive a hot climate  ???
I guess they actually do have a regular cold and flu season.  It must get cold enough at night and I suppose depending on the location even more.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2009, 07:18:08 PM »
I guess they actually do have a regular cold and flu season.  It must get cold enough at night and I suppose depending on the location even more.

Interesting. Even in April/ May? What is the normal flu season around there?

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Beta 1,3-D glucans are chains of D-glucose molecules, with the six-sided D-glucose rings connected at the 1 and 3 positions. Smaller side chains branch off the 1,3 polysaccharide “backbone.” The most active form of Beta 1,3-D glucans are apparently those that contain 1,6 side-chains branching off from the longer beta-1,3 glucan backbone. These are referred to as beta-1,3/1,6 glucan. Some researchers have suggested that it is the frequency, location, and length of the side-chains rather than the backbone of beta glucans that determine their immune system activity. Another variable is the fact that some of these compounds exist as single strand chains, while the backbones of other beta-1,3 glucans exist as double or triple stranded helix chains. In some cases, proteins linked to the beta-1,3 glucan backbone may also be involved in providing therapeutic activity. Although these compounds have exciting potential for enhancement of the immune system, it must be emphasized that this research is in its infancy, and there are differing opinions on which molecular weight, shape, structure, and source of beta-1,3 glucans provide the greatest therapeutic benefit.

One of the most common sources of Beta 1,3-D glucan for supplement use is derived from the cell wall of baker’s yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae). However, beta-(1,3)(1,4) glucans are also extracted from the bran of some grains such as oats and barley, and to a much lesser degree in rye and wheat. . The Beta 1,3-D glucans from yeast are often insoluble. Those extracted from grains tend to be both soluble and insoluble. Other sources include some types of seaweed,[1] and various species of mushrooms such as Reishi, Shiitake, and Maitake.[2]

Beta 1,3-D glucans are being referred to as biological response modifiers because of their ability to activate the immune system.[3] However, it should be noted that the activity of Beta 1, 3-D glucan is different from agents that stimulate the immune system. Agents that stimulate the immune system can push the system to over-stimulation, and hence are contraindicated in individuals with autoimmune diseases, allergies, or yeast infections. Beta 1, 3-D glucans seem to make the immune system work better without becoming overactive. They accomplish this by activating phagocytes, which are immune system cells whose function is to trap and destroy foreign substances in our bodies such as bacteria, viruses, fungi, and parasites.[4] In addition to enhancing the activity of phagocytes, beta-1,3 glucans also reportedly lower elevated levels of LDL cholesterol, aid in wound healing, help prevent infections, enhance NK cell function, and help in the prevention and treatment of cancer.





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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #106 on: April 27, 2009, 07:24:51 PM »
Interesting. Even in April/ May? What is the normal flu season around there?

Beta-1,3/1,6-D-Glucan
Maitake mushroom

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Vitamin C enhances effects, but can be taken without


Beta 1,3-D glucans are chains of D-glucose molecules, with the six-sided D-glucose rings connected at the 1 and 3 positions. Smaller side chains branch off the 1,3 polysaccharide “backbone.” The most active form of Beta 1,3-D glucans are apparently those that contain 1,6 side-chains branching off from the longer beta-1,3 glucan backbone. These are referred to as beta-1,3/1,6 glucan. Some researchers have suggested that it is the frequency, location, and length of the side-chains rather than the backbone of beta glucans that determine their immune system activity. Another variable is the fact that some of these compounds exist as single strand chains, while the backbones of other beta-1,3 glucans exist as double or triple stranded helix chains. In some cases, proteins linked to the beta-1,3 glucan backbone may also be involved in providing therapeutic activity. Although these compounds have exciting potential for enhancement of the immune system, it must be emphasized that this research is in its infancy, and there are differing opinions on which molecular weight, shape, structure, and source of beta-1,3 glucans provide the greatest therapeutic benefit.

One of the most common sources of Beta 1,3-D glucan for supplement use is derived from the cell wall of baker’s yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae). However, beta-(1,3)(1,4) glucans are also extracted from the bran of some grains such as oats and barley, and to a much lesser degree in rye and wheat. . The Beta 1,3-D glucans from yeast are often insoluble. Those extracted from grains tend to be both soluble and insoluble. Other sources include some types of seaweed,[1] and various species of mushrooms such as Reishi, Shiitake, and Maitake.[2]

Beta 1,3-D glucans are being referred to as biological response modifiers because of their ability to activate the immune system.[3] However, it should be noted that the activity of Beta 1, 3-D glucan is different from agents that stimulate the immune system. Agents that stimulate the immune system can push the system to over-stimulation, and hence are contraindicated in individuals with autoimmune diseases, allergies, or yeast infections. Beta 1, 3-D glucans seem to make the immune system work better without becoming overactive. They accomplish this by activating phagocytes, which are immune system cells whose function is to trap and destroy foreign substances in our bodies such as bacteria, viruses, fungi, and parasites.[4] In addition to enhancing the activity of phagocytes, beta-1,3 glucans also reportedly lower elevated levels of LDL cholesterol, aid in wound healing, help prevent infections, enhance NK cell function, and help in the prevention and treatment of cancer.





good info!

I think their flu season usually ends in February.  But with there being no immunity to this one, maybe that would account for it going longer.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #107 on: April 27, 2009, 07:36:50 PM »
good info!

I think their flu season usually ends in February.  But with there being no immunity to this one, maybe that would account for it going longer.

But the bodys natural defenses are up at this time...towards everything... no?

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #108 on: April 27, 2009, 08:04:48 PM »
Interesting. Even in April/ May? What is the normal flu season around there?

Beta-1,3/1,6-D-Glucan
Maitake mushroom

Great antivirals. Take these together at the onset or exposure to something

Vitamin C enhances effects, but can be taken without. Hope this helps you guys..I havent had a cold or flu since I discoved this 2 years ago.

You do know that the maitake mushroom has more than likely been grown in pig shit right?
Perfect breeding ground for swine viruses? Just checking.
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #109 on: April 27, 2009, 08:13:21 PM »
You do know that the maitake mushroom has more than likely been grown in pig shit right?
Perfect breeding ground for swine viruses? Just checking.

Interesting logic. :)

It could also be a possiblilty that it would enhance your immunity to anything swine related. hmmm... something to think about!

I suppose you could bypass all of that and just eat the pigshit. As for me.. I will stick to the mushrooms... but let me know how it works for you :)

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #110 on: April 27, 2009, 08:17:55 PM »
But the bodys natural defenses are up at this time...towards everything... no?
From the sites I've read, your defenses are down in cold seasons.  I also read it's the better immune systems that will have a harder time with this flu. 

Range of ages infected: 9 to 54 years old: Link

"So far, in the United States the swine flu has infected a group between the ages of 7 and 54. One person was hospitalized. In Mexico, the illness infected mostly men between the ages of 20 and 35" Link

"Most of the dead were aged 25 to 45, a worrying sign because a hallmark of past pandemics has been high fatalities among healthy young adults." Link

"Ironically, it is the good health of this young adult population which causes the fatalities" It "triggers a severe immune response which leads to excessive edema. This in turn ruptures the cell walls leading to hemorrhagic symptoms. Patients bleed out into their lungs and drown."  So the more effective(fast) your immune response is, the worse for you.


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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #111 on: April 27, 2009, 08:34:00 PM »
Interesting logic. :)

It could also be a possiblilty that it would enhance your immunity to anything swine related. hmmm... something to think about!

I suppose you could bypass all of that and just eat the pigshit. As for me.. I will stick to the mushrooms... but let me know how it works for you :)

If I don't eat pork, ...I'm sure as heck not going to eat pig shit.  :-X
I'll stick to nanotechnologically replicated Lingzhi mushrooms  thankyouverymuch
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #112 on: April 27, 2009, 08:34:29 PM »
From the sites I've read, your defenses are down in cold seasons.  I also read it's the better immune systems that will have a harder time with this flu. 

Range of ages infected: 9 to 54 years old: Link

"So far, in the United States the swine flu has infected a group between the ages of 7 and 54. One person was hospitalized. In Mexico, the illness infected mostly men between the ages of 20 and 35" Link

"Most of the dead were aged 25 to 45, a worrying sign because a hallmark of past pandemics has been high fatalities among healthy young adults." Link

"Ironically, it is the good health of this young adult population which causes the fatalities" It "triggers a severe immune response which leads to excessive edema. This in turn ruptures the cell walls leading to hemorrhagic symptoms. Patients bleed out into their lungs and drown."  So the more effective(fast) your immune response is, the worse for you.



From what Ive read, its not so much your defenses being down in the cold, but that its easier for the virus to LIVE. At the beginning of a cold season your defenses would be down because of lack of exposure. Im still trying to find out, and let me know if you do.. if theres any flu strain that can survive heat. Not only heat, but sunlight.

Some scary shit! not what I wanna think about before bed..  :(  but thanks for the info.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #113 on: April 27, 2009, 08:37:11 PM »
Some scary shit! not what I wanna think about before bed..  :(  but thanks for the info.

whatsamatter? ...scared you won't be able to sleep? {lol} Sometimes I crack myself up.
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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #114 on: April 27, 2009, 08:39:59 PM »
Some scary shit! not what I wanna think about before bed..  :(  but thanks for the info.
I still think this is all being hyped way to much so don't worry yet.  One doctor I listened to said he went through the documents on this in Mexico and it's been running for at least 3 months and he said maybe longer.  So with that, the death toll is probably normal for the flu and the number infected might be vastly understated.  I guess it won't hurt to follow flu precautions and remedies just in case tho.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #115 on: April 27, 2009, 08:41:00 PM »
whatsamatter? ...scared you won't be able to sleep? {lol} Sometimes I crack myself up.
ahaha, I was thinking you were going to recommend something else there for a second lol

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #116 on: April 27, 2009, 08:47:58 PM »
whatsamatter? ...scared you won't be able to sleep? {lol} Sometimes I crack myself up.

Scared? Not really. In about 15 short minutes I'll have other things to keep myself occupied   8)  but thanks..the concern is much appreciated!


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« Reply #117 on: April 27, 2009, 08:48:45 PM »
ahaha, I was thinking you were going to recommend something else there for a second lol

hey whatever works!  :D   lol

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
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« Reply #119 on: April 27, 2009, 08:51:17 PM »
Scared? Not really. In about 15 short minutes I'll have other things to keep myself occupied   8)  but thanks..the concern is much appreciated!



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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #120 on: April 30, 2009, 07:24:10 AM »
Could this new swine flu virus have been manufactured by bioterrorists?

That's the theory on some conspiracy theorists' Web sites. But experts don't believe it.

"If you were a bioterrorist you'd want to create something that's a lot more deadly than this," said Dr. Gerald Evans, an associate professor of microbiology at Queen's University in Canada. "The problem with influenza is that the second you put it into people, it replicates and mutates very quickly. Even if you created the perfect bioweapon, within a few generations of transmissions, it wouldn't do what you planned for it to do."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/30/ep.swine.flu.questions.answers/index.html

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #121 on: April 30, 2009, 07:26:05 AM »
Could this new swine flu virus have been manufactured by bioterrorists?

That's the theory on some conspiracy theorists' Web sites. But experts don't believe it.

"If you were a bioterrorist you'd want to create something that's a lot more deadly than this," said Dr. Gerald Evans, an associate professor of microbiology at Queen's University in Canada. "The problem with influenza is that the second you put it into people, it replicates and mutates very quickly. Even if you created the perfect bioweapon, within a few generations of transmissions, it wouldn't do what you planned for it to do."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/30/ep.swine.flu.questions.answers/index.html

I agree. 

This isn't a "biological warfare event"

However if they ever make an airborne virus as lethal as ebola look out.

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #122 on: April 30, 2009, 08:05:21 AM »
I agree. 

This isn't a "biological warfare event"

However if they ever make an airborne virus as lethal as ebola look out.

Eric R. Pianka (born 23 January 1939) is an American biologist, best known for his contributions to herpetology and evolutionary ecology. He is nicknamed "The Lizard Man".

Saving the Earth with Ebola

Professor Pianka said the Earth as we know it will not survive without drastic measures. Then, and without presenting any data to justify this number, he asserted that the only feasible solution to saving the Earth is to reduce the population to 10 percent of the present number.

He then showed solutions for reducing the world's population in the form of a slide depicting the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. War and famine would not do, he explained. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved.

Pianka then displayed a slide showing rows of human skulls, one of which had red lights flashing from its eye sockets.

AIDS is not an efficient killer, he explained, because it is too slow. His favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world's population is airborne Ebola ( Ebola Reston ), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. However, Professor Pianka did not mention that Ebola victims die a slow and torturous death as the virus initiates a cascade of biological calamities inside the victim that eventually liquefy the internal organs.

After praising the Ebola virus for its efficiency at killing, Pianka paused, leaned over the lectern, looked at us and carefully said, “We've got airborne 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that.”

With his slide of human skulls towering on the screen behind him, Professor Pianka was deadly serious. The audience that had been applauding some of his statements now sat silent.

After a dramatic pause, Pianka returned to politics and environmentalism. But he revisited his call for mass death when he reflected on the oil situation.

“And the fossil fuels are running out,” he said, “so I think we may have to cut back to two billion, which would be about one-third as many people.” So the oil crisis alone may require eliminating two-third's of the world's population.

How soon must the mass dying begin if Earth is to be saved? Apparently fairly soon, for Pianka suggested he might be around when the killer disease goes to work. He was born in 1939, and his lengthy obituary appears on his web site.

When Pianka finished his remarks, the audience applauded. It wasn't merely a smattering of polite clapping that audiences diplomatically reserve for poor or boring speakers. It was a loud, vigorous and enthusiastic applause.

http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/feature1p/index.html

This resulted in the Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewing Pianka in Austin.

Pianka has stated that Mims took his statements out of context and that Pianka was stating what would happen from biological principles alone if present human population trends continue, and that he was not in any way advocating for it to happen. The host of the speech, the Texas Academy of Sciences, has released a statement stating that:

"Many of Dr. Pianka's statements have been severely misconstrued and sensationalized."

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Re: BIOWEAPONS??? Mexican Swine Flu Tread
« Reply #123 on: April 30, 2009, 02:09:32 PM »
You do know that the maitake mushroom has more than likely been grown in pig shit right?
Perfect breeding ground for swine viruses? Just checking.

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