How important is the US Constitution?

[24KT]

There is no problem my man! The sky is the limit!

We're soooo fucked!

Here ya go, ...a little something to ease the pain. 

[Slapper]

Here ya go, ...a little something to ease the pain. 

Dude, people here are so obedient it's sickening. I fell like one of a handful of adults in a classroom full of little kids who keep on insisting that Santa (Klaus) is real.

[War-Horse]

Dude, people here are so obedient it's sickening. I fell like one of a handful of adults in a classroom full of little kids who keep on insisting that Santa (Klaus) is real.

Republicans have created ther own little world of self-denial.   Truly stupifying.......Theyll be in line for government cheese one day,  while saying:      "The govt loves us, cuz they give us cheese"   

[Slapper]

Republicans have created ther own little world of self-denial.   Truly stupifying.......Theyll be in line for government cheese one day,  while saying:      "The govt loves us, cuz they give us cheese"   

When did this wave of self-complacency, this feeling that someone is looking out for us at all times? I mean, the majority of social changes like trade unions came into being because as soon as the FED was created, and with it the Great Depresion, people realised that unless they took matters into their own hands their ass was grass. I understand that we grew up amongst a generation of flag suckers (baby boomers) who truly believe they are the greatest generation to have been born in this country of ours, that they are the ones who got the economy outta the GD or that they are the most American of all Americans in American history... but they are obviously THE generation who aligned all the (economic) elements that will eventually create an intergenerational great depresion. Bottom line.

Thank God we'll always have Canada!

[War-Horse]

When did this wave of self-complacency, this feeling that someone is looking out for us at all times? I mean, the majority of social changes like trade unions came into being because as soon as the FED was created, and with it the Great Depresion, people realised that unless they took matters into their own hands their ass was grass. I understand that we grew up amongst a generation of flag suckers (baby boomers) who truly believe they are the greatest generation to have been born in this country of ours, that they are the ones who got the economy outta the GD or that they are the most American of all Americans in American history... but they are obviously THE generation who aligned all the (economic) elements that will eventually create an intergenerational great depresion. Bottom line.

Thank God we'll always have Canada!

Once the dollar drops even canada and mexico will be all one with us.  We will soon share the same currency called the "Amero".  Just enough will be given out to satisfy food demands of the population to get them to a level of contentment  (Nothing like now)    And then action toward world unity thru the UN and elite class.

I have no idea how people can say: "theyre not breaking your door down, chill out"......If we wait till that point its too late.

[240 is Back]

Jag is going to have the Rodriguez family of 12 living next door.


She won't be a happy girl.

[Decker]

I'm saying the American family is better off today than the 1960s (discrimination issues aside).  The standard of living is better.  People make more money.  There are more educational and income opportunities.  There are a plethora of full-time moms. 

People are making more money in this decade than in the '60s.  The incremental increases are one thing but the household gains are another--b/c we have both mom and pop working.  "[F]ull-time moms" are a liability and not an asset to laud.  I remember when latchkey kids were created in the late 70s b/c no one was home to let the kid into the house since both parents worked.  I was one of them.  Worker producitivity has increased since the 1960s but that's hardly relfected in the income earned. 

We are working longer hours with less vacation time and less family time and the family unit is suffering.  Is it any wonder the divorce rate is over 50%?  The nuclear family is failing due in large part to the demands of the work-force.

The producitivity/income gains are concentrated at the top--the financial elite.

As for every generation doing better than the previous one, that has ended at the Bush presidency.

The real problem facing Americans is income and wealth inequality.  The last time either was as bad as it is now was in the late 1920s.

Why does inequality of income or wealth matter?  Political power becomes concentrated in the hands of a few contrary to the democratic ideals underlying our constitution; Crime, wealfare rolls, blown educational opportunities directly correlate to income and wealth inequality;  Poverty and low life-expectancy/high mortality rates correlate with income and wealth inequality.

[War-Horse]

People are making more money in this decade than in the '60s.  The incremental increases are one thing but the household gains are another--b/c we have both mom and pop working.  "[F]ull-time moms" are a liability and not an asset to laud.  I remember when latchkey kids were created in the late 70s b/c no one was home to let the kid into the house since both parents worked.  I was one of them.  Worker producitivity has increased since the 1960s but that's hardly relfected in the income earned. 

We are working longer hours with less vacation time and less family time and the family unit is suffering.  Is it any wonder the divorce rate is over 50%?  The nuclear family is failing due in large part to the demands of the work-force.

The producitivity/income gains are concentrated at the top--the financial elite.

As for every generation doing better than the previous one, that has ended at the Bush presidency.

The real problem facing Americans is income and wealth inequality.  The last time either was as bad as it is now was in the late 1920s.

Why does inequality of income or wealth matter?  Political power becomes concentrated in the hands of a few contrary to the democratic ideals underlying our constitution; Crime, wealfare rolls, blown educational opportunities directly correlate to income and wealth inequality;  Poverty and low life-expectancy/high mortality rates correlate with income and wealth inequality.

D, only about 80% of us understand reality.  The other 20% are livin on the beach, denying the incoming tsunami......

[24KT]

Jag is going to have the Rodriguez family of 12 living next door.


She won't be a happy girl.

Compared to the last neighbours I had, ...the Rodriguez family of 12 would be a blessing.
Now if they started shovelling the driveway at 5am or started mowing the lawn at 6am on a Saturday morning,
...then I'd have a problem, ...but other than that I'm content to have 12 Mexican neighbours next door.

pssst: haven't you heard... it's you darned Yanks that are bringing alll the property values down worldwide. 

[loco]

Ok, it does and has been "revamped" 27 times.  The basic words of the American Constitution are probably most perfect words ever written for the people.  The foundation is all there and yes there are some flaws, as you mentioned, slavery and as I mention, it's a flaw corrected through a fantastic process for "revamping" by amendment.  It has worked so far.  If we today said, ok, let's just scrap the whole thing and rewrite, trust me, under our current spectrum of dipshit politicians, there is a better than half chance that we would take several steps backwards.  I disagree with you because our Constitution has a very good foundation no matter what time you live.  Amend as needed and as is designed. 

Well said Hugo! 

[Bindare_Dundat]

Curious to see if any opinions on this question have changed as the issues have changes.

When I asked this question the Iraq war and the Patriot Act, etc.. were on everyone's mind and the Constitution seemed very important to everyone but now we have a different president with different issues. Are some of you still willing to place so much importance on following the written documents if it meant dropping things like government run healthcare and if it meant that there would have been no bailouts?

[Kazan]

Curious to see if any opinions on this question have changed as the issues have changes.

When I asked this question the Iraq war and the Patriot Act, etc.. were on everyone's mind and the Constitution seemed very important to everyone but now we have a different president with different issues. Are some of you still willing to place so much importance on following the written documents if it meant dropping things like government run healthcare and if it meant that there would have been no bailouts?

The constitution says what it means and means what it says as has been stated in this tread if something needs to be changed there is an amendment process. No where in the document is healthcare a right implied or otherwise. No where is the document does it say that the federal government has the right to "spread" the wealth around implied or otherwise. These wothless fuckers in Washington think they can just ram a bill through no matter how unconstitutional it is and we will just sit on our hands and take it, well fuck them. The oath they took was to uphold and defend the constitution, the oath the military takes is to defend and uphold the constitution, and might I add against enemies foreign and domestic.

[Hugo Chavez]

Curious to see if any opinions on this question have changed as the issues have changes.

When I asked this question the Iraq war and the Patriot Act, etc.. were on everyone's mind and the Constitution seemed very important to everyone but now we have a different president with different issues. Are some of you still willing to place so much importance on following the written documents if it meant dropping things like government run healthcare and if it meant that there would have been no bailouts?

no, I feel the same way.

[OzmO]

The constitution says what it means and means what it says as has been stated in this tread if something needs to be changed there is an amendment process. No where in the document is healthcare a right implied or otherwise. No where is the document does it say that the federal government has the right to "spread" the wealth around implied or otherwise. These wothless fuckers in Washington think they can just ram a bill through no matter how unconstitutional it is and we will just sit on our hands and take it, well fuck them. The oath they took was to uphold and defend the constitution, the oath the military takes is to defend and uphold the constitution, and might I add against enemies foreign and domestic.

Aren't there many things the government does that aren't implied or otherwise in the constitution? 

It doesn't take an amendment for a law to get passed.

[Eyeball Chambers]

Some people advocate applying the "spirit of the founding documents," rather than the literal meaning of the words in the documents.
Others advocate that we adhere to the "letter of the supreme law" and interpret the documents in strict accord with the written words.

How seriously do people take the US Constitution these days?

If should be absolutely followed down to each letter.  If changes our needed a system is laid out to correctly makes those changes.

[Bindare_Dundat]

no, I feel the same way.

I was curious how that fits in with your support of the healthcare issue? Or am I making assumptions?

[Kazan]

Aren't there many things the government does that aren't implied or otherwise in the constitution? 

It doesn't take an amendment for a law to get passed.

Thats why the real power is defered to the states. They are supposed to "police" themselves and pass laws that obey the US constitution as well as each states constitution