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« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2010, 10:46:32 AM »
Got it loco, thanks.


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« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2010, 10:58:27 AM »
"Do not file Form I-9 with U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or USCIS. Form I-9 must be kept by the employer either for three years after the date of hire or for one year after employment is terminated, whichever is later."

So even if you get 'verifying' documentation, don't turn it in, keep it for three years, then throw it away. Likewise, if you commit any crime, just make a personal report and file it for three years, then it's all good. Please don't ask the government to do anything.... such as their job.

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« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2010, 11:05:51 AM »
"Do not file Form I-9 with U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or USCIS. Form I-9 must be kept by the employer either for three years after the date of hire or for one year after employment is terminated, whichever is later."

So even if you get 'verifying' documentation, don't turn it in, keep it for three years, then throw it away. Likewise, if you commit any crime, just make a personal report and file it for three years, then it's all good. Please don't ask the government to do anything.... such as their job.

You are talking about honest employers who are lied to and presented with false documents.  As long as these employers fill out Form I-9 for every employee and verify, to the best of their ability, that the documents are legitimate, they have covered his own butt.

I am talking, and have posted plenty of proof, about dishonest employers who want to intentionally hire illegal immigrants.  And the government knows about it and does nothing about it.

A Green Card, by the way, is nearly impossible to fake now a days.



USCIS To Issue Redesigned Green Card

WASHINGTON - U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) announced today that it has redesigned the Permanent Resident Card - commonly known as the "Green Card" - to incorporate several major new security features.  The Green Card redesign is the latest advance in USCIS's ongoing efforts to deter immigration fraud.  State-of-the-art technology incorporated into the new card prevents counterfeiting, obstructs tampering, and facilitates quick and accurate authentication.  Beginning today, USCIS will issue all Green Cards in the new, more secure format.

"Redesigning the Green Card is a major achievement for USCIS," said Director Alejandro Mayorkas.  "The new security technology makes a critical contribution to the integrity of the immigration system."

The enhanced features will better serve law enforcement, employers, and immigrants, all of whom look to the Green Card as definitive proof of authorization to live and work in the United States.  Among the benefits of the redesign:  Secure optical media will store biometrics for rapid and reliable identification of the card holder.  Holographic images, laser engraved fingerprints, and high resolution micro-images will make the card nearly impossible to reproduce.  Tighter integration of the card design with personalized elements will make it difficult to alter the card if stolen.  Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) capability will allow Customs and Border Protection officers at ports of entry to read the card from a distance and compare it immediately to file data.  Finally, a preprinted return address will enable the easy return of a lost card to USCIS.

In keeping with the Permanent Resident Card's nickname, it will now be colored green for easy recognition.  USCIS will replace Green Cards already in circulation as individuals apply for renewal or replacement.

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« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2010, 11:13:28 AM »
Beach,
This is all great and it's a start, but most of these laws have to do with public contracts only.  And it doesn't matter how many laws are passed if they are not being enforced.  Hopefully, you can see that because of powerful corporations and the government that vows to them, laws that target employers of illegal immigrants are hardly enforced.


Not all.  Hawaii's law applies to all contractors.  Some of the others cited in my other thread (although not dealing exclusively with employers), include the following:  "Colorado restricts illegal immigrants from receiving in-state tuition. Nebraska requires verification of immigration status to obtain public benefits. In Tennessee, knowingly presenting a false ID card to get a job is a misdemeanor."

Then there is federal law, which prohibits all employers from hiring illegal immigrants (see quote below).  The fact the federal government isn't securing the borders and enforcing the law is the reason Arizona is trying to protect its borders and citizens.  So, to say employers haven't been targeted is simply not accurate.  You can argue the feds don't aggressively enforce the law, but not that laws targeting employers don't exist.  


The Law Against Hiring or Harboring Illegal Aliens

The following is an overview of federal law on hiring and harboring illegal aliens. It is not a substitute for professional legal counsel in specific situations.

Summary
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization or local government) commits a federal felony when he:

assists an alien whom he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him to obtain employment,
encourages that alien to remain in the U.S., by referring him to an employer, by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.

Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens
It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the United States.1 It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work.2 Employers may give preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or better qualified.3

It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements.4 Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with 3 days advance notice, they must be made available for inspection.

Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home.5 Day laborers or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law.6

An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the alien labor.7 The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements.8

If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.9

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts.10 Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer, that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer’s work force.11 Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual’s accent or foreign appearance. Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien workforce of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.12

It is illegal for non-profit and religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist aliens.13 Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment.14

It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to 5 years.15

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens
It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of law.16 Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally.17 The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally, but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien’s illegal employment.18 Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. 19

It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien’s entry or residence is in violation of the law.20 This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that “encouraging” includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious “errors”.21 The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities “without delay” upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to 20 years imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death “of any person,” the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. 22 Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored.23 A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the alien smuggled qualifies as a “victim” under the Victim and Witness Protection Act.24

Conspiracy to commit the crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years imprisonment.25

Enforcement
A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third party complaints that have “a reasonable probability of validity.”26

Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.27

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is “no extant federal limitation” on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws.28

Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous or erratic behavior, dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship, and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient.29 Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer’s consent to enter work places or residences.30

Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.31

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).32 The “pattern of racketeering” activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO “enterprise” can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include non-profit associations.

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or social security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or social security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions.33

U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than 3 employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice.34

In addition to the federal statutes summarized above, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.

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Re: Get out, leave.
« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2010, 11:18:22 AM »
...wait a minute... wait a minute.....

Now you are saying you only want employers who knowingly hire illegals to be thrown in jail? Who the hell targets only illegals as their workforce? Are you refering to the guy needing a deck built and so goes down to the Home Depoe and picks up some essays that are loitering around the front?

Your whole approach up until now was to excuse the criminals and prosecute the business owners! By that logic lets let the drunk drive off and arrest the owner of the grocery store where the criminal bought the beer.



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« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2010, 11:25:41 AM »
...wait a minute... wait a minute.....

Now you are saying you only want employers who knowingly hire illegals to be thrown in jail? Who the hell targets only illegals as their workforce? Are you refering to the guy needing a deck built and so goes down to the Home Depoe and picks up some essays that are loitering around the front?

Your whole approach up until now was to excuse the criminals and prosecute the business owners! By that logic lets let the drunk drive off and arrest the owner of the grocery store where the criminal bought the beer.

This is what I'm talking about:


In July 2009, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced that Krispy Kreme Doughnuts Inc. agreed to pay a $40,000 fine for hiring illegal aliens.

An inspection by ICE discovered Krispy Kreme hired dozens of illegal aliens at their Cincinnati, OH factory.

According to the terms of the agreement, in addition to paying the fine, the doughnut maker promised to revamp their hiring process in order to hire only those authorized to work in this country.

No one at Krispy Kreme was sent to prison, and the $40,000 fine, for a company that saw revenues of $384 million in 2009 alone, is downright laughable.

Another 2009 investigation, discovered that 1,800 of American Apparel’s workers were illegal aliens, using fraudulent documents. The company which is located in Los Angeles is the nation’s largest clothing manufacturer, and the 1,800 illegal workers represented a third of their workforce. The owners of American Apparel have been outspoken proponents of an amnesty plan for this nation’s illegal alien population.

The following is a short list of some of the more high-profile companies recently caught with illegal aliens in their employ:

Agriprocessors Inc. - On May 12, 2008, ICE agents executed criminal and administrative search warrants at Agriprocessors, Inc., in Postville, IA, which resulted in the arrest of 389 illegal aliens. 305 of those arrested were also convicted of criminal offenses.

CEO Sholom Rubashkin was arrested and charged with federal conspiracy of harboring illegal immigrants and aiding and abetting aggravated identity theft. However, the U.S. Attorney’s office later dropped all 72 charges against him.

Pilgrim’s Pride - On April 16, 2007, ICE agents arrested 311 illegal aliens working at five Pilgrim’s Pride sites. Of the 311 arrested, 91 were charged with other criminal violations.

Del Monte Produce - On June 12, 2007, ICE agents arrested 168 illegal alien employees at their Portland, OR facility. In addition to the illegal workers, 13 managers and other workers were arrested and charged with various crimes including selling Social Security cards.

Swift and Company - On Dec. 12, 2006, ICE agents arrested 1,297 illegal aliens at six Swift meat processing factories in six states. 274 of those arrested were also charged with other criminal offenses.

Smithfield Foods - After ICE agents raided the Tar Heel, NC plant and arrested 21 illegal alien workers, 500 workers with fake Social Security numbers were promptly fired from the factory. Another raid in August 2007, netted 28 more illegal aliens, all were from Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras.

Whether it is a landscaping company run-out of someone’s den in Cicero, IL; a 30-unit independent hotel in Virginia Beach, VA; or a corporate giant such as Tyson Foods Inc., once caught with illegal aliens in their employ, the head of that company should spend the next ten years of their life in prison.

Additionally, all of that company’s profits made during the period they employed illegal aliens should be seized, with the money going directly to help pay for border enforcement.

Instead of simply rounding-up the illegal workers (many of whom will not even be deported as a result), and focusing on low-level company employees for prosecution, if there is to be any…We need to begin placing leg irons on the CEOs of companies who make a practice of hiring illegal aliens.

If we arrested these traitors in their walnut paneled offices, and perp-walked them into court for all to see, it would not only punish those who are truly responsible for the illegal replacement of the American worker, but send a powerful message to corporate America…Hire illegal aliens, and you will lose everything you have!

We must demand that our lawmakers see to it that American companies, actually hire American workers…not invaders.

Of course, those same lawmakers will first have to extract themselves from the hip pockets of many those companies.

http://www.examiner.com/x-35821-Immigration-Reform-Examiner~y2010m2d11-We-should-adopt-mandatory-prison-sentences-for-CEOs-hiring-illegal-aliens

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« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2010, 11:27:20 AM »
And this:

American Companies Hiring Mexican workers in Mexico and taking them across the border into the US


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« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2010, 11:33:35 AM »
Not all.  Hawaii's law applies to all contractors.  Some of the others cited in my other thread (although not dealing exclusively with employers), include the following:  "Colorado restricts illegal immigrants from receiving in-state tuition. Nebraska requires verification of immigration status to obtain public benefits. In Tennessee, knowingly presenting a false ID card to get a job is a misdemeanor."

Then there is federal law, which prohibits all employers from hiring illegal immigrants (see quote below).  The fact the federal government isn't securing the borders and enforcing the law is the reason Arizona is trying to protect its borders and citizens.  So, to say employers haven't been targeted is simply not accurate.  You can argue the feds don't aggressively enforce the law, but not that laws targeting employers don't exist.  


You are not targeting employers if you are not enforcing those laws.  Maybe the states are enforcing those laws, I don't know!


Conspiracy to commit the crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years imprisonment.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years imprisonment.


How many employers have states sent to prison for five to ten years for hiring and smuggling illegal immigrants?  How many employers have states collected $10,000 fines from for hiring and smuggling illegal immigrants?

By the way, given the profits some of these companies make, a $10,000 fine for hiring illegal immigrants is laughable!

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« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2010, 01:25:11 PM »
You are not targeting employers if you are not enforcing those laws.  Maybe the states are enforcing those laws, I don't know!

How many employers have states sent to prison for five to ten years for hiring and smuggling illegal immigrants?  How many employers have states collected $10,000 fines from for hiring and smuggling illegal immigrants?

By the way, given the profits some of these companies make, a $10,000 fine for hiring illegal immigrants is laughable!

I don't have any stats on how aggressive the feds and/or the states are being when it comes to enforcing laws that are on the books.  But the fact states are passing laws targeting employers means they are in fact targeting employers.  To what extent is debatable. 

You're pretty much making the case for Arizona and other states to start tackling the illegal immigration problem.  The feds aren't doing their job.

Also, even we assume that the government isn't enforcing existing laws against employers as aggressively as it should, that doesn't mean government shouldn't aggressively pursue illegal immigrants.     

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« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2010, 02:46:14 PM »
Nails it again.  Lock & Load 

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« Reply #85 on: August 03, 2010, 05:06:46 AM »
I don't have any stats on how aggressive the feds and/or the states are being when it comes to enforcing laws that are on the books.  But the fact states are passing laws targeting employers means they are in fact targeting employers.  To what extent is debatable.  

You're pretty much making the case for Arizona and other states to start tackling the illegal immigration problem.  The feds aren't doing their job.

Also, even we assume that the government isn't enforcing existing laws against employers as aggressively as it should, that doesn't mean government shouldn't aggressively pursue illegal immigrants.    

My point is that you can tell illegal immigrants to "get out" all you want, but they won't get out just because you told them to.  And if you deport them, they will go right back to the US, to the job that's awaiting them there.  They will always go back as long as jobs are awaiting them.  I would like to see which laws targeting employers of illegal immigrants Arizona is enforcing right now.  How many employers has Arizona put in prison and fined for hiring illegal immigrants?

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« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2010, 07:00:00 AM »
My point is that you can tell illegal immigrants to "get out" all you want, but they won't get out just because you told them to.  And if you deport them, they will go right back to the US, to the job that's awaiting them there.  They will always go back as long as jobs are awaiting them.  I would like to see which laws targeting employers of illegal immigrants Arizona is enforcing right now.  How many employers has Arizona put in prison and fined for hiring illegal immigrants?
What do you plan to do with the problems ive mentioned in targeting employers loco?

you seem to think that only targeting employers will solve this problem?

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« Reply #87 on: August 03, 2010, 07:03:30 AM »
What do you plan to do with the problems ive mentioned in targeting employers loco?

You created a whole thread with my name on it just to discuss this and then you abandoned the discussion and ignored my points.

you seem to think that only targeting employers will solve this problem?

I never said that.

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« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2010, 09:44:20 AM »
My point is that you can tell illegal immigrants to "get out" all you want, but they won't get out just because you told them to.  And if you deport them, they will go right back to the US, to the job that's awaiting them there.  They will always go back as long as jobs are awaiting them.  I would like to see which laws targeting employers of illegal immigrants Arizona is enforcing right now.  How many employers has Arizona put in prison and fined for hiring illegal immigrants?

Why do you keep ignoring the "cutting off public handouts" angle of the argument?  As long as there are welfare programs available to illegals.... do you really think they care if they hae a job here or not?

As 3 said, the job is nothing but gravy. The REAL payout is in that food stamp, section 8, WIC, etc. check.

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« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2010, 09:47:12 AM »
Why do you keep ignoring the "cutting off public handouts" angle of the argument?  As long as there are welfare programs available to illegals.... do you really think they care if they hae a job here or not?

As 3 said, the job is nothing but gravy. The REAL payout is in that food stamp, section 8, WIC, etc. check.

Because his entire argument revolves around painting illegals as the victims and the businesses giving them the jobs as the villains. Acknowledging that they also come here to suck the benefit system dry runs counterintuitive to the point he's trying to make.

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« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2010, 09:54:31 AM »
I would put ICE officers at schools, hospitals, jails, courts, police stations, etc. 

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« Reply #91 on: August 03, 2010, 12:03:38 PM »
Why do you keep ignoring the "cutting off public handouts" angle of the argument?  As long as there are welfare programs available to illegals.... do you really think they care if they hae a job here or not?

As 3 said, the job is nothing but gravy. The REAL payout is in that food stamp, section 8, WIC, etc. check.

I'm not.  By all means, cut off public handouts to illegal immigrants.  For that matter cut off public handouts to everybody.  All they do is breed laziness.  I believe in helping the less fortunate, and I do it myself, but it should be voluntary and not forced on you through taxes.

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« Reply #92 on: August 03, 2010, 12:07:07 PM »
Because his entire argument revolves around painting illegals as the victims and the businesses giving them the jobs as the villains. Acknowledging that they also come here to suck the benefit system dry runs counterintuitive to the point he's trying to make.

No, I am not painting illegals as the victims.  They are guilty too.  But I do paint Americans who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, and the government too, as the root of the problem.  You paint Americans who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, and even smuggle them into the US as the victims.

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« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2010, 12:09:28 PM »
I would put ICE officers at schools, hospitals, jails, courts, police stations, etc. 

I thought one of the complaints is that ICE keeps detaining illegal immigrants, then releasing them instead of deporting them.

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« Reply #94 on: August 03, 2010, 12:17:20 PM »
I thought one of the complaints is that ICE keeps detaining illegal immigrants, then releasing them instead of deporting them.

I would train soldiers coming home from Iraq to be ICE agents to do that. 

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« Reply #95 on: August 03, 2010, 01:21:20 PM »
My point is that you can tell illegal immigrants to "get out" all you want, but they won't get out just because you told them to.  And if you deport them, they will go right back to the US, to the job that's awaiting them there.  They will always go back as long as jobs are awaiting them.  I would like to see which laws targeting employers of illegal immigrants Arizona is enforcing right now.  How many employers has Arizona put in prison and fined for hiring illegal immigrants?

I agree we need to crack down on employers who hire illegals.  We also need to better secure our borders to stop illegals from getting in.  We need to deport illegals who get through the borders. 

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« Reply #96 on: August 03, 2010, 04:05:50 PM »
I agree we need to crack down on employers who hire illegals.  We also need to better secure our borders to stop illegals from getting in.  We need to deport illegals who get through the borders. 

Yeah....   and that's a pipe dream.  I don't see it happening short of a revolt.  I hope AZ keeps pushing it and other states get encouraged by their example.

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« Reply #97 on: August 03, 2010, 05:45:27 PM »
Yeah....   and that's a pipe dream.  I don't see it happening short of a revolt.  I hope AZ keeps pushing it and other states get encouraged by their example.

What's a real shame is you are right that it's a pipe dream.