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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2010, 06:31:55 PM »
find what offensive

I'm simply stating a fact

Bush tax cuts were passed with reconciliation and legislation passed with reconciliation does not allow for that legislation to increase deficits beyond the fiscal year covered by reconciliation measure.

Since the Bush tax cuts increased the deficit (remember that thing you hate so much about Obama) the Repubs knew that hey to put in a sunset provision or they wouldn't have been able to pass them in the first place............because ........as I said before.....they increased the deficit

if you have a problem with the deficit then you must be against extending the bush era tax cuts
LOL not extending them right now is hurting more than helping, wouldnt you agree?

do you think that obamas legislation has helped or hurt the economy more?

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2010, 06:46:11 PM »
LOL not extending them right now is hurting more than helping, wouldnt you agree?
do you think that obamas legislation has helped or hurt the economy more?

hard to say but if they do the we can simlpy keep the lower/middle income tax cuts and let the upper income ones sunset

the vast majority of the tax cuts were for the upper class so this would still produce a large benefit while not hurting the lower and middle income earners



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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2010, 06:48:28 PM »
hard to say but if they do the we can simlpy keep the lower/middle income tax cuts and let the upper income ones sunset

the vast majority of the tax cuts were for the upper class so this would still produce a large benefit while not hurting the lower and middle income earners
why not just freeze them for the time being until the economy gets on track and then address them?

why not do that with the entire obama agenda thus far as it has been doing nothing but injecting uncertainty into the business arena?

or is this another one of those obama didnt know situations?

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2010, 06:56:25 PM »
why not just freeze them for the time being until the economy gets on track and then address them?why not do that with the entire obama agenda thus far as it has been doing nothing but injecting uncertainty into the business arena?

or is this another one of those obama didnt know situations?

because they do increase the deficit and we can let the largest part of it sunset which without harming the economy and probably not harming anyone either.   Even though very wealthy people will pay a bit more in taxes on that marginal AGI > 500k, 1M, etc..... most won't even feel it and it won't really effect there day to day lives in any way

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2010, 07:05:52 PM »
because they do increase the deficit and we can let the largest part of it sunset which without harming the economy and probably not harming anyone either.   Even though very wealthy people will pay a bit more in taxes on that marginal AGI > 500k, 1M, etc..... most won't even feel it and it won't really effect there day to day lives in any way
agreed so does run away spending but you dont seem to want to address that?

I agree that taxes will need to get raised on everyone, if you go back to before the election i said specifically that no matter who got in taxes were going to get raised

but again why not wait until the economy gets back on track? doing so now will only serve to further hinder the economic recovery...if youre going to anyway which is whats likely to happen, WHY THE HELL WAIT?

this administration is showing itself to be completely inept at dealing with the economic situation choosing instead to chase liberal agendas at the expense of the welfare of the citizens that they sold their bull shit lies to

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2010, 08:52:23 PM »
33386, please give it to us straight.

Will you be voting for Obama in 2012 or has your faith wavered since you cast your two votes for him, first in the primary and then in the general elction.

I find it highly ironic that you supported him so vehemently in the 2008 election, yet here, you can only sling his name through the mud.

Where's the consistency? Getbig awaits your answer, man.
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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2010, 11:55:32 PM »
garebear what is your view on gays in same sex locker rooms?  ;D :D ;)

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2010, 06:38:28 AM »
garebear what is your view on gays in same sex locker rooms?  ;D :D ;)
Sounds like a recipe for boners!
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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2010, 06:58:09 AM »
because they do increase the deficit and we can let the largest part of it sunset which without harming the economy and probably not harming anyone either.   Even though very wealthy people will pay a bit more in taxes on that marginal AGI > 500k, 1M, etc..... most won't even feel it and it won't really effect there day to day lives in any way

 ::)  ::)

700 billion over ten years, 70 billion a year essentially, is nothing considering the 1.3 trillion dollar yearly deficits we are running as it is and not reenatcing these tax rates will have a bad effect on the economy. 

They need to pare down these wars, and cut cut cut cut.   

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2010, 07:45:20 AM »
1.3 Trillion?

Damn, we could have needlessly invaded another nation for that money.

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #60 on: October 17, 2010, 08:47:23 AM »
agreed so does run away spending but you dont seem to want to address that?

I agree that taxes will need to get raised on everyone, if you go back to before the election i said specifically that no matter who got in taxes were going to get raised

but again why not wait until the economy gets back on track? doing so now will only serve to further hinder the economic recovery...if youre going to anyway which is whats likely to happen, WHY THE HELL WAIT?

this administration is showing itself to be completely inept at dealing with the economic situation choosing instead to chase liberal agendas at the expense of the welfare of the citizens that they sold their bull shit lies to
would you like to respond to any of these comments gare?

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #61 on: October 17, 2010, 10:45:41 AM »
Damn, we could have needlessly invaded another nation for that money.

do you feel BOTH iraq and afghanistan were needless invasions - or just iraq?

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2010, 10:52:15 AM »

Linda Chavez: Obama has no clue about entrepreneurship
By: Linda Chavez
Examiner Columnist


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October 15, 2010

 President Obama has finally admitted that a core premise of his nearly trillion-dollar stimulus package was false.

In an interview this week with The New York Times' Peter Baker, the president acknowledged that "there's no such thing as shovel-ready projects," despite the president's near-constant invocation of the term over a two-year period to explain how government spending was going to create jobs.

The president's admission is no minor matter; it goes to the heart of why his economic policies have been such a failure. Not since President Jimmy Carter's confession in 1980 that it took the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan for him to fully understand "what the Soviets' ultimate goals are" has a sitting president so fully exposed his ignorance.

Obama's admission might be refreshing if it meant he would rethink his economic assumptions, but the Baker interview gives no such indication. Instead, the president seems to think his biggest problem has been his failure to communicate his policies effectively.

"There is probably a perverse pride in my administration -- and I take responsibility for this; this was blowing from the top -- that we were going to do the right thing, even if short-term it was unpopular," he said. "And I think anybody who's occupied this office has to remember that success is determined by an intersection in policy and politics and that you can't be neglecting of marketing and P.R. and public opinion."

The statements are both stunningly arrogant and misleading. The president of the United States is not a philosopher king. In a democracy, the president doesn't determine what "the right thing" is and let the people who put him in office be damned.

Nor did the president and his team neglect the "marketing and P.R." of his policies. The "shovel-ready" comments were all salesmanship and no substance.

In his first year in office, the president gave 411 speeches, sat for 158 press interviews, conducted 42 news conferences, and visited 30 states, according to a compilation by CBS News. Failing to communicate was not the issue.

The president's problem is that he has neither experience in, nor understanding of, the private economy. He has worked exclusively in the nonprofit and government sector.

He has an unlimited faith in government and limited trust in private industry. And the president surrounds himself with people who share his myopia.

When the president visited plants from Buffalo to San Francisco on his much-touted jobs tours during the spring and summer, he was there to tell workers that government saved or created their jobs.

But that is not how it's done. Job creation happens when individuals take personal risks: A man notices that all his friends and neighbors have garages stuffed with junk they don't want and starts a new business with $700 in startup capital and an old beat-up truck. A few years later, Brian Scudamore's 1-800-GOT-JUNK has 100 franchises across the country.

A young woman decides her chocolate chip cookies deserve to be enjoyed beyond her family. Debbi Fields borrows money, opens a small storefront, and within seven years, her company, Mrs. Fields Cookies, had revenues of more than $45 million.

A college student spends his time in his dorm room building personal computers for his friends and selling them for less than the name brands. He drops out of school, but by the time he's 27, Michael Dell is the youngest CEO on the Fortune 500 list of largest companies in America.

These individuals created great wealth for themselves, but they also created thousands of jobs for other people. The fallacy in Obama's thinking is the assumption we'd be better off taxing rich people more and having government spend the money directly.

But government can never be as efficient as the market. Scudamore, Fields, and Dell might just as well have failed as succeeded.

When entrepreneurs fail, they've lost their own money and that of investors who have freely chosen to take the risk.

Government programs, however, play with other people's money -- since government has no money of its own. When government programs fail, the consequences aren't born by the people making the decisions but by the taxpayers.

So when Obama finally realizes there's no such thing as a shovel-ready project, he's admitting he's wasted our money -- billions of dollars -- not his own. But his only answer is to raise taxes so he can spend yet more. It's the kind of thinking that dooms his presidency and our economy.

Examiner Columnist Linda Chavez is nationally syndicated by Creators Syndicate



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Obama-has-no-clue-about-entrepreneurship-1226967-105051944.html#ixzz12diQDcQn

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2010, 05:55:55 AM »

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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2010, 01:59:59 PM »
Ha ha ha - Palin has been on a roll lately.    Fuck imam obama- piss and shit be upon him every day. 


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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2010, 02:03:47 PM »
Palin: 


"Hey Barack:  shovel ready jobs my astroturf"   

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/10/18/sarah_palin_slams_obama_shovel-ready_jobs_my_astroturf.html


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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2010, 04:21:11 PM »
do you feel BOTH iraq and afghanistan were needless invasions - or just iraq?
Probably both by now. Before, just Iraq was needless to me.
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Re: More lies from Obama - Admits "Shovel Ready Jobs" never existed.
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2010, 04:32:04 PM »
Probably both by now. Before, just Iraq was needless to me.

I don't think the wars themselves were needless, the nation building tacked onto it absolutely.
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