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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #125 on: January 12, 2011, 05:18:15 PM »
So are you saying that if you really want a muscle to grow you should train it every 2 or 3 days?

no not necessarily. some people think that because they just look at protein synthesis and forget overall recovery.

research says 3 times per week for total newbies and twice a week for intermediates and advanced (as optimal) BUT that is not the whole truth as obviously people have gotten results training a muscle group less frequently than that AND  and unless you are a total noob you won't be able to train a muscle group heavy every 2-3 days...so in that case you have to vary the heavyness of the workouts (in some way) or add more days between sessions for the same muscle group


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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #126 on: January 12, 2011, 05:19:46 PM »

the reason I alternate heavy training and moderate weight supersets is only because of my joints. Once they start hurting, I swith.

BTW, the concentrations curls I did was heavy (6-8 reps).

doesn't mean that I don't go heavy because I do cable works for arms, I just go heavy for that particular exercise

I have never understood why people waste their time with those light workouts. The solution for your joints is a thorough warmup with light resistance then aim at something like 15 reps. Better pump and easier on the connective tissue. 6-8 reps might work for a while but eventually you will damage your joints because people have poorer form with heavier weights.

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #127 on: January 12, 2011, 05:21:36 PM »
sorry vince, i've been training for seven years and a half years in the gym, nonstop, and put on over a hundred pounds in that time.

hope that helps.

I have been training for over 52 years. You are still a novice at the intermediate stage. Good result but a long way to go.

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #128 on: January 12, 2011, 05:21:45 PM »
I have never understood why people waste their time with those light workouts. The solution for your joints is a thorough warmup with light resistance then aim at something like 15 reps. Better pump and easier on the connective tissue. 6-8 reps might work for a while but eventually you will damage your joints because people have poorer form with heavier weights.
wrong

A usually leads to B
C is an A
does not mean C will lead to B

hope this helps

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #129 on: January 12, 2011, 05:22:22 PM »
First Blood, I've missed your posts!

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #130 on: January 12, 2011, 05:25:38 PM »
First Blood, I've missed your posts!

Yes, I haven't had time to be on much the last few weeks ;) but I'm back..working on another chapter of the gh15 bible ...also been doing alot of researching on nutrition and muscle growth.

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #131 on: January 12, 2011, 05:27:53 PM »
Yes, I haven't had time to be on much the last few weeks ;) but I'm back..working on another chapter of the gh15 bible ...also been doing alot of researching on nutrition and muscle growth.
complete waste of time dude


focus on figuring what works for you and dont listen to any piece of advice anyone gives you

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #132 on: January 12, 2011, 05:28:55 PM »
Ok 1st, so I will repeat what I said earlier, with the risk of groink beating ma ass ;D Over the last 12 days, I have trained dips every 48 hours, with 3 sets til failure, and my strength has gone from bodyweight plus 20 pounds for 6 reps to bodyweight plus 80 pounds for 8 reps, so I'm curious how you see this? Also I did a similar thing with dumbbell rows, going from 80 pounds for 5 reps to 110 pounds for 6 reps in 3 weeks time training every 48 to 72 hours.

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #133 on: January 12, 2011, 05:29:26 PM »
So are you saying that if you really want a muscle to grow you should train it every 2 or 3 days?


I like the 48 hour period, maximisation...

You asked about strength. Quadrupled pull up and resistance push ups in a two month period, Barbell curls went up about 10lb, Bench obviously a lot, tie in with the push ups. As i said before, it's mainly strength and the size is considerably slower. I won't mention numbers because i lift very heavy on everything and i don't want all the trolls calling bullshit and starting a flame war.

There is no way i could lift what i lift at my bodyweight if overtraining was as common as some make out.
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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #134 on: January 12, 2011, 05:30:39 PM »
complete waste of time dude


focus on figuring what works for you and dont listen to any piece of advice anyone gives you

don't worry  ;) , I always try to combine what I read in studies with real world experience (both my own and others).

you can't write training routines just by reading studies lol. I mostly do it because it interests me. certainly not needed in order to get results.

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #135 on: January 12, 2011, 05:33:03 PM »
Ok 1st, so I will repeat what I said earlier, with the risk of groink beating ma ass ;D Over the last 12 days, I have trained dips every 48 hours, with 3 sets til failure, and my strength has gone from bodyweight plus 20 pounds for 6 reps to bodyweight plus 80 pounds for 8 reps, so I'm curious how you see this? Also I did a similar thing with dumbbell rows, going from 80 pounds for 5 reps to 110 pounds for 6 reps in 3 weeks time training every 48 to 72 hours.

dude you are gonna drive yourself nuts  ;) if you think about it too much

also remember that there is stuff you can do in the short term that you can't do in the long run.


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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2011, 05:36:06 PM »
complete waste of time dude


focus on figuring what works for you and dont listen to any piece of advice anyone gives you

Good advice, but your advice suggests that he ignore it!

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #137 on: January 12, 2011, 05:36:50 PM »
youve got it backwards












no...if you are a bb, doing a bb rountine you are not overtraining, and never will...bb do nothing that will ever push you to the brink, or overload your CNC...1 hour a day in the gym will never be overtraining....if you are a BB and think you are overtraining...you have let the mental portion take control..bb DO NOT work hard enough to ever overtrain...

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #138 on: January 12, 2011, 11:23:28 PM »
traing is indeed catabolic if natural ,,,that why you see the 5'10 180lb fella in your local gym that stand at 10% no omatter how hard he train ,,he just cant go anywhere becsause ctabolizm,,

so in other wording,,training doesnt matter ,,you shall not train if no hormones in system ,,you just waiste your time,, if you think 165 lb 7% is ok and you like it ,,then you indeed shoudl train ,,but if you try to be bodybuikder then you need hormone in system ,,,in other wording you can train like pussy like half bodybuilder train lik e you lieing friend that lie about his usage ,,like the local state level comptirotr that never place better than 16 and always say he train hevay but you neevr see him do it,,etc etc etc they can train like that and still be 200+ at single digit because they are on hormones,,jucing their mama and papa,,lieing to you day in day out and you swalow it like the good fish you are,,well you USED TO SWOOLOWW IT.....and then! there was gh15,,


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 LOL man you crack me up bro, I love it! :D


 You should make the GH15 10 commandments

 #1 Thou Shall Not Train When No Hormones In System

 #2 Thou Shall Eat Mother and Father When On Legit GH

 
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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #139 on: January 13, 2011, 09:44:50 AM »
no...if you are a bb, doing a bb rountine you are not overtraining, and never will...bb do nothing that will ever push you to the brink, or overload your CNC...1 hour a day in the gym will never be overtraining....if you are a BB and think you are overtraining...you have let the mental portion take control..bb DO NOT work hard enough to ever overtrain...

bench

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let me reword that. this guy is really smart :)

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #140 on: January 13, 2011, 11:34:24 AM »
I'll define overtraining as "getting weaker because of too much training," whether from too much volume, weight, or attempting to train on too little food, etc.

Every time this topic comes up it seems like people fall into two camps.  On one hand, you have the guys who say "yeah overtraining is real but don't worry about it, it's something that only happens to serious hardcore athletes that work out a million times harder than you."  The guys saying this, in my experience, are usually pretty big and hormonized.

On the other hand, you have guys saying "overtraining is a huge problem and if you want to be anything as a bodybuilder, you have to be very careful about balancing workload and recovery."  Usually these guys seem to be naturals and/or proponents of HIT, or high frequency / low volume styles.  One person who says this (not natural, I know) is Dante -- he insists overtraining is the number one problem with bodybuilders.

As an aside, I currently lift 3 times a week in an attempt to maintain while i diet down, and have been doing upper / lower mwf style, feeling pretty run down.  I'm thinking about switching back to once a week, three way (still mwf), more traditional bb style routine to see if I can bounce back.

Is overtraining a serious issue, an epidemic, or a nonissue for the average gym rat?


There is lot of theories about the over training in the Internet. Read them.

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #141 on: January 13, 2011, 01:01:53 PM »
I think whatever fatpanda thinks  :D

seriously FP (also Mr. Nobody) advised me last year to decrease my training volume and it worked VERY GOOD for me!!..

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Re: Your opinion on overtraining?
« Reply #142 on: January 13, 2011, 02:04:24 PM »
Yes, I haven't had time to be on much the last few weeks ;) but I'm back..working on another chapter of the gh15 bible ...also been doing alot of researching on nutrition and muscle growth.

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