Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids

[Mr. Magoo]

B is very easily enforced you punish the parents and they will not let it happen...

also magoo there will still be deaths involving kids that get there hands on real guns even if there were never any fake guns...

how do you deal with that?

B is not very easily enforced.

If one child is prevented from dying that would have died if there were fake guns, then it is worth it. Fake guns (that look like real guns) are not worth more than a life.

[Mr. Magoo]

Reality is that there will always be acvcidents, whether its drownings, stabbings, strangulations, car aCcidents, playground accidents, football accidents, and freak accidents. 

Focusing solely on toy guns ignores this reality. 

Focusing on toy guns doesnt ignore it. Focusing on toy guns may prevent deaths that are A) Easily preventable B)Can be easily prevented without a high cost

If you think it is important to prevent unnecessary deaths (especially those involving children) then this issue is one, among many, that deserves to be looked at.

[tonymctones]

B is not very easily enforced.

If one child is prevented from dying that would have died if there were fake guns, then it is worth it. Fake guns (that look like real guns) are not worth more than a life.

LOL you are the epitome of the term "bleeding heart" lmao

ok so lets jump out of the imaginary bubble youve set up and into reality...are you for banning any toy that may result in the death of a child?

[pedro01]

Both. A can be enforced. B is partly left up to chance (since most Americans do in fact own guns). But you didn't state the full problem. It isn't just that they got hold of a real gun, it's that they got hold of a real gun with the prior experience of being exposed to similar looking and designed toy guns.

No - you don't understand cause & effect. Or rather - you are assigning cause to an effect for emotive reasons.

Let's say an adult leaves a loaded gun lying around. Let's also say that a child picks the gun up. You say that the cause of the death that follows is the childs experience with toy guns. The problem us you have no proof that a child with no experience with toy guns wouldn't end up as dead. There is no research that I know of where people leave loaded guns around and record the deaths and correlate that to toy ownership. You have assigned a cause for emotive reasons only. There is one certainty, leaving a loaded gun where a child can access it CAN cause a fatality. I don't see how you can prove that such a scenario is made worse by toy guns.

Also - more children drown every year in swimming pools/ponds attached to houses than are killed by guns. Does this mean that swimming pools dhould also be banned,.

[Mr. Magoo]

I can't believe I still have to explain this. I do understand cause and effect, I understand that for a given situation involves a number of causes. I've taken several research methodology classes.

I'll type this out as plain as I can and then leave it at that.

Let's start here with the basic ideas that I hope you agree to:

1) Unnecessary pain and suffering is bad
2) If it is possible to prevent unnecessary pain and suffering without sacrificing something of similar moral worth, we ought, morally, to do it

Now lets look at this situation of Toy Guns (And only Toy guns because this thread is about toy guns)
3) Children dying from guns is bad
4) Some children die from guns due to the fact that they are exposed to toy guns designed to look like real guns (evidence given in the list provided by Blacken)(This is shown both by people shooting children because children have toy guns, or because some children think real guns are toy guns (at least two specific cases of this was given in this thread))
5) If it is possible to prevent any unnecessary pain and suffering due to the fact that toy guns are designed to look like real guns, without sacrificing anything of similar moral worth, we ought, morally, to prevent that unnecessary pain and suffering.
6) It is possible to make toy guns seem less gun like (by painting them bright colors and designing them differently)
7) The cost to do this is not similar in significant moral worth to that of any unnecessary pain or suffering
8 ) Therefore, toy guns should be made less gun like and more toy like to prevent any future unnecessary pain or suffering that may result from a toy gun being similar to a real gun

[tonymctones]

LOL a hand full and YES THATS ALL YOU HAVE AT BEST IS A HAND FULL of ppl that die does not constitute changing what EVERYONE else does....


NOW lets jump out of your imaginary box and back into the real world magoo, do you agree with doing away with any toy that may result in the death of a child?

[tonymctones]

LOL a hand full and YES THATS ALL YOU HAVE AT BEST IS A HAND FULL of ppl that die does not constitute changing what EVERYONE else does....


NOW lets jump out of your imaginary box and back into the real world magoo, do you agree with doing away with any toy that may result in the death of a child?

bump for an answer magooo

do you agree with doing away with any toy that may cause the death of a single child?

[Mr. Magoo]

bump for an answer magooo

do you agree with doing away with any toy that may cause the death of a single child?

This can be answered by understanding my last post, which is why I didn't answer. If I did answer, it would just be retyping about the last half of that post.

Also, take note of what was typed in line 6 of that post.